Aftermath of the alleged gas attack on Douma, an evolving narrative: Part 2

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Two days since we posted the first part of this and much has happened. Rumours abounding, threats flying. And a belated sense of fear and disquiet developing in some quarters of the media.

There is still no evidence any chemical attack occurred in Douma at all, and even less for who may have been responsible should it turn out to have occurred, but still the crazed narrative hurtles on with all the energy and disregard for reality of an hallucinating junkie. A new “coalition of the willing” (involving the US, France, UK, and some Arab states) seems to be forming, bent on “punishing” the Assad government for the potentially non-existent attacks. Those suggesting there should be a wait for evidence risk being called “Assad apologists” by people like Michael Gove.

Russia has warned it reserves the right to shoot down any missiles entering Syrian airspace, and is sending military police to Douma, presumably as an attempt to safeguard against any funny business on the ground while international inspectors are there.

The OPCW are apparently going to Douma to inspect the site for evidence.

It remains to be seen if they will have time to get there before the egregiously irresponsible Trump administration launches its now much-hyped cruise missile attack on “regime targets” that could – given the insanely schizophrenic and unhinged nature of Trump’s tweets – happen any time and be directed almost anywhere, from Damascus itself to some relatively unimportant military base, depending on what level of crazy he and his staff are currently operating at.

The UNSC resolutions from US and Russia were both defeated yesterday – to no one’s surprise.

Putin appeared in public to welcome some ambassadors to Moscow and express his hope for sanity to prevail in the world. He didn’t seem to have much conviction and looked a little drawn and worn, which is probably understandable.

President of France, Emmanuel Macron, is starting to show signs of disquiet about his country’s potential role in this new and dire enterprise of the damned, and was last seen basically using diplomatic code to beg Russia not to counter-attack should he join in with the “retribution” for a thing that may not even have happened. He offered reassurances that only Syria and not its allies would be targeted; reassurances which of course mean next to nothing in the chaotic reality of war.

If Macron thinks they will help ease the situation he is as much of an idiot as he has always appeared. Possibly even more idiotic than Merkel, who at least seems to have had the sense to keep mostly quiet over this.

In the UK a similar sense of vague unease is percolating down. While the usual asses continue to bray for the world’s rapid incineration by thermonuclear fusion,

many of the more intelligent amongst the elites and their media are beginning to be awakened to the one ethical consideration they still understand – their own personal safety.

Outlets such as the Guardian are running editorials calling for caution, and staff opinion pieces that deplore Trump’s reckless language because even though Assad is, of course (on the basis of no evidence at all) a “monster”, we only want to use that as an argument for killing Syrians – not ourselves.

Even the BBC’s Daniel Sandford, not the most astute or inquisitive of state-funded journos, seemed taken aback at the lunacy of Trump’s “get ready Russia!” tweet.

British MPs are expressing disquiet at British troops being committed to what could become war with Russia without parliamentary approval.

At the same time there is a conspicuous lot of airy nothing coming from PM Theresa May, who looks incredibly anxious and shifty while failing to clarify anything at all about her intentions.

Amongst the unchecked rumours are claims the Chinese fleet is steaming to liaise with Russia in the Med (unlikely at the moment), and that the Donald Cook is heading for the Syria coast, along with a large US task force.

On the bright side “analysts” say a direct cash between Russia and US is “unlikely”.

Oh and we can’t leave this without mentioning the fact the UK representative to the UN, Karen Pierce (the lady who thinks Karl Marx was Russian), turned up for the UNSC debate yesterday wearing a leopardskin tiara and a feather boa.

It’s not the greatest crime against humanity ever committed, but it has to be up there.

Time will tell if this turns into WW3 or a damp squib. We’ll be back with more as things develop.

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Butties
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Even if Chlorine Gas is proven to have been generated, it does not point to State Actors, they are making in on council estates here in Kernow, so I guess anyone could make it.
http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/16114201.falmouth-chemical-incident-from-accidental-chlorine-gas/?ref=ar

JudyJ
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And there was the weapons factory found in other liberated parts of E Ghouta stocked will all sorts of equipment for making more advanced chemical weapons and dozens of drums of chlorine, confirmation of what many of us already knew, that the terrorists have no shortage of this sort of material. But the western press didn’t want to know about that.

JudyJ
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Not sure what is going on – even on RT. They were trying to jump between the live UNSC meeting and the live Russian Ministry of Defence Press briefing. In the latter – and I saw it myself – about an hour ago the Head of the Armed Forces said that they have evidence that the UK in collaboration with the White Helmets was responsible for staging the incident in Douma. I thought ‘that’s it’, the Russians have had enough and are going on the offensive. No one on RT has mentioned it since. What is going on? I googled… Read more »

Etegere
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Etegere

They will be under orders not to report this fact, but of course they cannot hide this for long. Expect US/UK/France military action imminently, certainly before the truth is allowed to get out.

JudyJ
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Yes, that was my immediate fear. RT(UK) did cover this allegation again, including showing the MoD spokesman delivering his accusation, in their 5 o’clock bulletin.

rogerglewis
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https://www.rt.com/news/424047-russian-mod-syria-statement/ the translation is a bit ropey but all seem to be on line. Here is Sweden at least.

vexarb
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Teharan sheds a bit more light on our Spec Spooks in Syria via Indie BTL:
lundiel 2 hours ago
From what I read Tehran news agency) there was a joint operation between US, Israel, Jordan NATO and terrorist groups in eastern Ghouta in which the terrorists would attack Damascus on several fronts, taking as much ground as possible while the others provided air cover. Events overtook them when the Syrian army scored rapid, major victories in Eastern Ghouta leaving special forces marooned.

rogerglewis
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It is important to put the Latest Syrian Blow-Up and False Flag in the context of the war on terror starting With 9/11 but going back even further to Clinton and Bosnia/Kosovo . From Tony Carlucci’s excellent Blog Land Destroyer. http://landdestroyer.blogspot.se/2010/09/globalist-stunts-islamophobia.html http://landdestroyer.blogspot.se/2010/09/globalist-stunts-global-climate-change.html https://www.globalresearch.ca/false-flag-in-syria-sets-stage-for-wider-war/5635846 Reblogged this on MUSO MUSINGS ON FATHERHOOD THEORY AND STUFF and commented: Tony Cartalucci @TonyCartalucci The US attempts to claim terrorists who paraded civilians around in cages as human shields would not mass murder them in a staged chemical attack to save themselves & their agenda. #Douma #Syria #DoumaMassacre https://twitter.com/TheArabSource/status/983283008898772992 … 12:01 PM – Apr 9, 2018… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

That certainly reduces my admiration for Cartalucci somewhat. His ignorance and paranoid conspiracy mongering in regard to anthropogenic climate destabilisation almost equals yours. His geo-political insights remain cogent, however.

tecumseh remembers
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tecumseh remembers

same old game, good cop bad cop…blowing hot an cold – taking us to the brink – as in case you dared to forget – then a gentle reminder to imagine on…..Billowing fiery mushrooms and blackened bacon – So is the power to feed the message weakness – and as they say….two wings of the same bird – and both fanning the hell flame that turns up the heat to power the machine that rips apart the flesh of the land….so go ahead – pick a side slave, you want to believe your special, that you’ll survive, dont you want… Read more »

alaffcreator
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“Karen Pierce (the lady who thinks Karl Marx was Russian), turned up for the UNSC debate yesterday wearing a leopardskin tiara and a feather boa” Ahaha 😀 Thanks god not with mohawk haircut or in Morpheus’ cloak… I don’t want to insult UK’ citizens (sure they deserve much better that this lady in UN), but a few days ago in twitter i saw a comment – the guy wrote “Am i the only one who think that the British Ambassador to the UN looks like mistress of the bawdy house”? 😀 This comment got hundreds of likes.. 😀 Haha, we… Read more »

vexarb
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@alaffcreator. That reply got hundreds of likes because it matched the face to the situation: keeper of a bawdy house. One of the great underexploited themes in literature: a young girl, full of idealism and vivid with the good looks of youth, starts out on a wonderful career — and gradually the compromises of life and the pain of living take their toll, and its “cheerio, my deario, been there seen it all but i was once cleopatra and i’m still a lady”. — Mehitabel by Don Marqis

rogerglewis
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Trump, the US version of Gorbatchev by Thierry Meyssan For Thierry Meyssan, the policy of the United States since the fall of the Soviet Union has been a combat between two schools of thought. On one side, the partisans of prosperity, and on the other, the partisans of imperialism. Money or Power. This cleavage exists within each party, Republican and Democrat. However, time flies, and the United States is now on the edge of inner collapse. As of now, Donald Trump finds himself in the uncomfortable position of Mikhaïl Gorbatchev. VOLTAIRE NETWORK | DAMASCUS (SYRIA) | 30 JANUARY 2018 http://www.voltairenet.org/article199471.html… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

To claim that anthropogenic climate destabilisation caused by the accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is anything other than the ‘settled science’ that the Academies of Science of the planet declare it to be (as do >99% of actively peer-reviewed and published climate scientists now)as the weather and climate disasters and rapid changes to the planet’s climates are there for all to see, worldwide, is either madness or some sort of disinformation campaign, possibly intended to discredit this site and its highly useful contributions.

rogerglewis
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equating scepticism with mental illness or some sort of attempt to discredit other opinion is just plain daft.
The point of my Post is to consider the Carbon Based world currency which I believe is the objective of the Oligarchy and which is actually a perfectly plausible speculation as to why so much has been invested in a narrow aspect of Climatology based upon the falsified Antthropogenic CLimate Change du

John W
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John W

I concur. That is the basis of the ‘carbon tax’. To ensure more control and more enslavement. That is the basis of any and all currencies. No matter what it is.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

I’m afraid that your concurrence cannot change the laws of physics and the reality of rapid climate destabilisation.

rogerglewis
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due to human emmisions of CO2 hypothesis.
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/09/propaganda-why-silly-stuff-works-just.html
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2016/11/re-framing-war-on-carbon-carbon-surplus.html
“A fire, a fire is burning! I hear the boot of Lucifer, I see his filthy face! And it is my face, and yours, Danforth! For them that quail to bring men out of ignorance, as I have quailed, and as you quail now when you know in all your black hearts that this be fraud – God damns our kind especially, and we will burn, we will burn together!”
― Arthur Miller, The Crucible

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Yours is denialism, driven by paranoia, not ‘scepticism’. True sceptics hold their views tentatively and are always open to new knowledge and insights, as with scientists. Denialist are the opposite, obdurate and utterly immune to intellectual growth.

A. J. B
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A. J. B

What I find very curious is that, on each occasion when the aftermath of ‘a chemical attack’
is filmed , it’s only children and occasionally men that seem to be affected. Someone has
invented a special chemical that ignores grown up women?

duplicitousdemocracy
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Indeed A.J.B. I have seen the WH rescue one elderly lady but just like the aftermath of an alleged CW attack, women certainly aren’t allowed to be man-handled by strangers. I’m assuming that it is a step down from the medieval practices associated with our Saudi friends, after all, many terrorists get their remuneration from them. I’m not sure what the customs are because they vary so much from one community to the next but your observation about grown women not being killed in CW attacks would also concur with the penchant for sex slaves amongst these particularly abhorrent young… Read more »

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

Russia cannot sit by and allow yet another attack on their ally Syria. This time they must fire back or lose all credibility. That’s why this is so dangerous.

flamingo
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flamingo

Thank you Thomas Peterson, times certainly are dangerous and the danger was instigated by the odd Skripal ‘poisoning’ and the lack of evidence for anything. Could the world public be provided with all of the evidence including all statements given to police and other authorities by the Skripals. And lets drop the pretence of ‘need for privacy’ as the world is surely near to brink of annihilation due to the Skrippal and then Douma poison allegations. In fact the Skrippal circumstance comes terrifyingly close to a crime against humanity as it has terrified us all that our leaders will engage… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The whole episode, from the Skripal poisoning, the ‘novichok’ lies, the holding incommunicado of the Skripals in open defiance of treaty obligations with Russia and customary International Law, the predicted jihadist false flag gas attack (the latest of a series) the preposterous lies that ‘nerve agents’ were added to chlorine gas, the hyper-belligerence of the Sabbat Goy stooges May, Micron and Trump, the ongoing corruption of the OPCW, and the staggering belligerence, hypocrisy, mendacity and TOTAL 100% deviation-less Groupthink of the Western fakestream media swine, tells you that this whole episode was carefully and completely planned. To what end? Plainly… Read more »

moscowexile
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moscowexile

Pierce does not think that Karl Marx was Russian: she stated that the Russian Federation was founded on many of Marx’s precepts, which it wasn’t.
https://youtu.be/2_q2RJG6StQ

Peter
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Peter

In the posted extract, Ms Pierce also states that the Russian Federation “condones the use of chemical weapons in Syria”, which it doesn’t.

intergenerationaltrauma
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Breaking news! The “evidence” has finally been found and it is incontrovertible! Apparently Teresa May and Boris Johnson went to Douma and investigated the crime scene for themselves. While searching through a random garbage can at the site of the attack they discovered damning evidence of Syrian and Russian involvement. This information hasn’t been totally confirmed yet, but early reports suggest that Teresa and Boris found not only Assad’s passport, BUT ALSO Putin’s passport at the scene of the crime! What further “evidence” could we possibly need? Of course this cements the deal and anyone with an ounce of integrity… Read more »

Jen
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Jen

I would ask Off-Guardian to leave the leopard-skin tiara and the feather boa out of the discussion. At least they lent the diplomat a dignity she promptly lost once she opened her mouth.

vexarb
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From Karen Pierce, A Rhymer Redeemed
https://www.amazon.com/Rhymer-Redeemed-Karen-Pierce/dp/1512743631
God
Our shepherd, our way, our gate
Totally Holy and justified
Trust Him now to totally secure your fate.
[I believe her; but why does Karen look so unhappy? Is it because what she is now being asked by vicar’s daughter Theresa to say, and the seat which she is dishonouring by saying it from, are troubling Karen with a sense of Sin? Is the cognitive dissonance of Karen’s attire a mute testimony to the cognitive dissonance in her soul?

Mikalina
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Mikalina

Actually, I would get some uncomfortable vibes from that statement. Jesus is our shepherd and the gateway to God. Which ‘god’ is she referring to?

vexarb
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She is referring to the One God, Creator of the Universe, the Unknown God nearer than our thoughts and further than the furthest star, the God who died on the cross the most ingenious instrument of torture ever devised by the perverted intellect of Homo Sapiens, who cried out in his agony, My God, My God, why have You deserted me? and rose on Easter to promise us Eternal Life if we believe and listen to His message — and carry it out with faith, hope and charity — and the greatest of these is charity.

mathiasalexander
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mathiasalexander

I agree with your general position here but a gentleman never publicaly comments adversly on a womans appearance, especially if she is an opponent.

Harry Law
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Harry Law

Winston Churchill was no gentleman. This is what he is alleged to have said…
When accused by Bessy Braddock [Labour] of being ‘disgustingly drunk’ the Conservative Prime Minister responded: ‘My dear, you are ugly, and what’s more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly.’
Lady Astor said to Churchill, “Winston, if I were your wife I’d put poison in your coffee.”
Winston Churchill: “Nancy, if I were your husband I’d drink it.”

summitflyer
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summitflyer

Oh the dry wit of the English .LOL

Francis Lee
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Francis Lee

Here’s couple more:
”An emplty taxi stopped outside of 10 Downing Street and Attlee (leader of the opposition) got out.”
Another.
”The Right Honourable Gentleman on the opposing benches has got a great deal of modesty. The Right Honourable Gentlemen has a great deal to be modest about.”

vexarb
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Churchill was right; Attlee had a great many accomplishments to be modest about: getting the war effort going while Churchill was making great speeches (see memoirs of lady who took the Cabinet notes); seeing to it that the country increased its standard of health and nutrition while fighting a major — the first ever such rise in the history of warfare; taxing the rich; nationalizing the railways and other public utilities — and (wait for it, wait for it!) don’t forget the National Elf Service, guv.
What has Churchill got to show — except show?

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

He poisoned some Iraqis and murdered a few million Bengalis through deliberate starvation. ‘Western liberal values’ at their finest.

vexarb
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PS The antipathy between Churchill and Attlee was deeply personal: Churchill boasted, “I have set 3 kings upon their thrones” and loved Great Britain to have ever more colonies, “wider still and wider”; Attlee was so modest about setting India free that I almost forgot to mention it. MacMillan followed Attlee with the Wind of Change speech, and getting Ernie Marples to build half a million council houses — which is why the Churchill toffs in the Conservative Party forced him to resign; our last decent Conservative PM.

Jamien Bailey
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The greater worry could be the third false flag of recent events. As the Russians field the incoming missiles, a strike comes from one of our ‘allies’ (near Syria), wiping out a US aircraft carrier (there is a precedent for this on the 8th of June, 1967, USS Liberty, 6 day Arab/ Israeli war- worth checking out). This would effectively wipe out all opposition to the the war (911 style), as the increasingly sceptical public are beginning to wake up and prepare massive opposition to the stupidity of what’s being told. The likes of Peter Hitchens and Tucker Carston would… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

If that happened, we would ALL be dead in days, if not hours. The mania for group forced mass suicide of the Western ‘elites’ makes the events at Jonestown look utterly inconsequential in contrast. Perhaps there is something in the idea of possession by devils after all.

Kaiama
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Kaiama

Oh and we can’t leave this without mentioning the fact the UK representative to the UN, Karen Pierce (the lady who thinks Karl Marx was Russian), turned up for the UNSC debate yesterday wearing a leopardskin tiara and a feather boa.

Kaiama
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Kaiama
Estaugh
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Estaugh

Crazy!!!! Whatever comes to pass, a social tsunami is in the offing. If World War Last can be avoided, the social shift cannot. Financial collapse stares us in the face, and with that famine, disease, domestic conflict and God knows what else. One thing I am clear about though. Forthwith I refuse to obey any governance that lies, manipulates, or attempts to limit my inherent, inalienable rights. The red line has been crossed and we’ve been double-crossed. ——– April 15th, the anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic. Just thought I’d mention it.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

As Chomsky has been saying for a while, the world faces two existential crises unprecedented in history. First there is the ecological Holocaust, where an expert UN group recently observed that ‘global ecological collapse is imminent’. The chances of saving ourselves from that approximate to zero, it being almost certainly too late, and the psychopathic Right still resolutely refusing to even admit that the crisis exists, let alone be tackled. And, the other is thermo-nuclear obliteration, a threat once thought resolved, now plainly itself ‘imminent’ as well. Once again the Western Right is responsible, the USA never having ceased a… Read more »

Paul
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Paul

Could agree with everything here, though that would depend on what you mean by the Right (I would suggest that this should include the Right posing as the Left). The bird of prey (or carrion) with two right wings…

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The Right are the psychopaths, the insatiably greedy, the haters of all others (including one another and, often, themselves) the worshipers of death and lovers of violence, and those possessed of no human empathy or compassion. Other vices and present in different individuals, to varying degrees, but basically they are the Evil ones.

DomesticExtremist
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DomesticExtremist

Where on earth did they find Karen Pierce – she’s all hair and mucus.
Are we in a “world’s worst diplomat” contest?

Zara Ali
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Probably they found her in the same dump where they found Nikki Haley and Samantha Powers.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

She looks like the spawn of the union of Boris Johnson and the Skripal’s deceased moggy.

Jen
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Jen

At least the cat put up a fight when the police officer first picked it up and tried to put it in the container marked “To: Porton Down”.
You can guess what happened next to the fellow – that’s right, he was the third patient.
I’m sorry that the cat was then forced to starve.

Christopher
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Christopher

Today in the Times May apparently reluctant to got to bomb Syria because (check this) she wants more evidence of chemical weapons attacks, whilst in the telegraph she is totally supportive of American military attacks without the need for parliamentary vote. MSM out of step?

DomesticExtremist
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DomesticExtremist

Duff UK intel on Skripal and Douma will have to be revealed.
May has lost her bottle and is figuring out how to explain this to our allies who have just booted out a load of Russian diplomats.
Get the popcorn…

Mikalina
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Mikalina

May: I think they’re all lying to me. SPAD: (straight out of Oxford; uncle’s in the FO; Yes, Prime Minister. May: I need some expert advice. SPAD: (dreaming of place in House of Lords): Yes, Prime Minister. May: Run a search for someone who can help me. SPAD: (interrogating (deep dive) database with SPAD access but not PM): Several names have come up, Prime Minister. Do you have a keyword? MAY: Try ‘most experienced and knowledgeable bio-chemist’. SPAD: (very young, no memory, no history). Yes, Prime Minister MAY: Well? SPAD: (very excitedly) One name’s come up and it starred with… Read more »

Martin Read
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I enjoyed that. In a terrified sort of way.

Google Talpiot Program
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Google Talpiot Program

“In the case of aggression against Israel, not only will the United States stand by Israel’s side — Russia, too, will be on Israel’s side,” Russian Deputy Ambassador to Israel Leonid Frolov said. “Many of our countrymen live here in Israel, and Israel in general is a friendly nation, and therefore we won’t allow any aggression against Israel.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-official-if-iran-attacks-israel-well-stand-with-you/

Laguerre
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Laguerre

A form of words from the Russian ambassador. Could well go differently in fact.

Google Talpiot Program
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Google Talpiot Program

Why would you think that?
Russia never did or said anything when Israel attacked Iranian targets in Syria previously.

Zara Ali
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Hopefully yes… but for those sitting on the fence vis-a-vis Putin and Russia this would be very telling…