More on the Skripal/Douma alleged false flag connection

Theresa May, March 2018

In regard to our suggestion, the latest move against Damascus was predominantly a UK project, a link was sent to us today to an article by Thierry Meyssan on Voltairenet that’s certainly interesting.

Published March 20 it puts forward the idea the Skripal affair was a false flag intended to be the launch pad for a wholesale diplomatic attack on Russia that Meyssan suggests would initiate a “new cold war.”

While it’s possible to question this terminology (many would suggest we already have a “new cold war” and are on the verge of it becoming hot), his narrative offers a valid interpretation of recent events, and indeed looks more persuasive today that when it was written.

What Meyssan suggests is as follows:

Back in March a projected coup was planned between the UK government and the neocons in Washington to create an irresistible drive to a) launch a full blown assault on Damascus and b) get Russia removed from the UN Security Council.

The means was to be first the Skripal incident and immediately thereafter a large scale false flag chemical weapon attack on Ghouta.

Rex Tillerson, then US Secretary of State, was involved in this plan.

However by some means (Meyssan doesn’t say how) the Syrian and Russian intelligence services became aware of the plan, and realised it was not the Pentagon behind it, but “some other agency.”

The Russians immediately alerted the media to a possible false flag.

At the same time, bypassing diplomatic channels (because he was concerned to avoid others who were siding with the “plotters”), Russian Chief of Staff, General Valeri Gerasimov contacted his American counterpart General Joseph Dunford to inform him of his fears of a game-changing intel-sponsored event in Syria. Dunford in turn informed Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, who told Trump.

Since this apparent plot was going on without the knowledge of the White House & Pentagon, Trump then told Mike Pompeo, the head of the CIA, to investigate.

As a result Trump became convinced Tillerson was involved and soon after, fired him.

This, in essence, is Meyssan’s story. He cites no source for the claims about back-channel communications, and we can’t verify them even slightly. But we all know Russia did indeed warn of a pending false flag in Syria several times throughout March, and developments since the time of Meyssan’s writing lend credence to the broad thrust of interpretation.

The orchestrated & hysterical response of the UK state machine to the Skripal event doesn’t just hint at agenda rollout, it shouts it. The idea this was indeed the first act of a make or break plan is certainly more than believable. Indeed we all heard the suggestion about removing Russia from the UNSC repeated in the media at the height of the hysteria.

Whether Meyssan is right or wrong, we absolutely did just see an orchestrated, high level operation unfold, apparently designed to discredit Russia finally and forever.

It suggests new levels of idiot-insanity going on. Not only is such a plan amateurish in conception (kicking Russia off the UNSC, even if achievable, is not going to suddenly neutralise their political and military power), it would seem to have been doubly so in execution.

The Skripal story is a farce. But the apparent attempts to go forward with the “chemical attack” when all rationale for it was gone and when Douma itself was about to fall, shows stupidity beyond comprehension. If this was the UK, as the Russians claim, rather than rescuing themselves they simply added another embarrassing failure to the list, and dug themselves even deeper into easily-exposed crime.

The entire situation must be a warning, and not just the usual cliché about the US being a danger to world peace.

It’s not “the US”, it’s an international grouping of ideologues and other cranks, focused as much, maybe even more, in the UK as in America. If Meyssan is right these people are highly placed, but operating subversively within their own governments. Of course we have always known these thing are true to some extent, but this latest event seems to be taking this subversion to a new level.

Seventeen years ago a  small group of highly placed individuals in the US government may have engineered or at very least allowed 9/11 to happen for their own geopolitical ends. We’d be naive to consider a second such event to be impossible.

It also seems clear those enacting this plan initially had little idea how dangerous it really was, and were to some extent astounded by the Russian reaction, and the horror expressed by the more sane elements in international government. This is also significant.

It’s a cliché in some alt media now to say the elites want WW3 and to talk about “population reduction” or some other meme. But, while it’s certainly true there is a strong eugenicist de-population cult in the upper echelons, it’s highly improbable any of them would choose a thermonuclear war as a viable method.

The real danger isn’t that a group of ubermenschen or Bond-villains want to incinerate humanity for vague and unspecified reasons, it’s that the deep heart of the Russophobic cabal is too dogma-driven and infested with idiots to understand the real world results of their plans.

We can be sure they won’t have learned from this and won’t be deterred from more of the same or worse in future. And if their next remedial scheme doesn’t get stymied by circumstance or nifty footwork, no one will be more surprised than they are when it kicks of WW3.

But they do have some opposition within the state machine, and always have.  There were people in the US and UK intelligence agencies who didn’t want to lie about WMDs, and there are people today in the UK FCO who off-record told Craig Murray about the lies being forced on them regarding the Skripal case.  These are people with enough smarts to want to avoid real confrontation with Russia, however prepared they are to play the public word games.

I think it’s important we address this more nuanced reality rather than opting for the security of familiar memes.

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vierotchka
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Press Conference of Alexander Shulgin, Russian Representative to the OPCW
Streamed live on 16 Apr 2018
It comes with interpretation in English.

Cassandra
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Cassandra

Pt. 2: WHY WOULD ASSAD DO IT? The French govt also argues that the use of CW in East-Ghouta was both in a tactical and a strategical sense a (sort of) military stroke of genius but I’ll spare you the BS except for one argument: The „strategic“ aspect was that Assad wanted to punish the civilians in „rebel-held“ areas and by creating „terreur et panic“ they achieved their aim of surrender. „Because the war is not over for Assad, he wants to demonstrate thru these ruthless attacks that resistance is futile …“ This is bollocks of course because the Russians… Read more »

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President MACRON recently stated that he has „proof“ that CW were used in Douma and that it was the Syrian Army. Now the French govt has released the „evaluation nationale“ but it seems no-one is paying attention to it. https://www.defense.gouv.fr/content/download/528742/9123389/file/180414%20-%20Syrie%20-%20Synthe%CC%80se%20-%20Les%20faits.pdf After reading the document carefully one can only reach one conclusion: There is NO PROOF whatsover in this evaulation and it is obviously addressed to an audience considered to be incapable of critical thought. The format of the document is rather revealing because it contains no offical ID from a French „service“ or ministry (just „Republique Francaise“) and the authors… Read more »

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This is NOT a ‘French’ report. It is an Israeli Zionist pile of black propaganda, no doubt dictated by the CRIF, the de facto government of the slave state formerly known as ‘France’.

rogerglewis
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That was an excellent read, thankyou.

rogerglewis
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Doing a little more tunnelling into the Rabbit hole.
A Bill Clinton reference to Karl Rove led to some interesting events surrounding the recently pardoned Scooter Libby.
http://bfy.tw/AKAh PARTICIPATE CLICK IT
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2018/04/whats-empire-war-machine-ever-done-for_17.html
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2018/04/whats-empire-war-machine-ever-done-for.html
@KarlRove https://bit.ly/2HFtLlh opposing Military Industrial Complex isn’t equal2 Putin Apologism. War(s) Crimes of aggression started for false reasons With no proper Investigative & War reporting from corporate media how 2 hold http://bfy.tw/AKAh #warmongerstoaccount
5:26 PM – 17 Apr 2018
https://twitter.com/RogerGLewis/status/986264537547632640
http://www.wetube.io/video/uss-cole-yemen-2000-whats-the-empire-war-machine-ever-done-for-us-uss-libert-2/

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Old Pepper

The criminal group led by the red clown and the old Mare with the skewed muzzle continues the provocations. On Monday, the British representative in the OPCW accused the Russians of non-admission of OPCW experts in Duma. At the same time, the OPCW experts while in Damascus were expecting a solution of the Security Department of the UN, because controlled by the Britons the bandits were instructed to fire at the place where the white helmets organized the performance with a “chemical attack”. At the same time, the United States began to yell that Russian do not allow the OPCW… Read more »

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Watching the Commons Statement Yesterday from Theresa May and reflecting overnight I revisited some interactive Dada.
https://steemit.com/dumberanddada/@tonefreqhz/so-whats-the-industrial-military-complex-ever-done-for-us-interactivedada-karlrove-actorsinhistory-dumberanddouma
https://twitter.com/RogerGLewis/status/986157095945953280
We are watching Karl Rove’s actors in history. What is in the grey space and what do we have between our Ears?

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Vera
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Vera

@blackcatte
1] How well do you know and how long have you known Putin?
2] When did you last talk to him?

milosevic
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milosevic

Is that the best you can do, troll?
Return to your CIA masters. Tell them that you have failed.

tomiejones
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Reblogged this on circusbuoy.

Goldmember
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The funniest part of Meyssan’s story is that Trump asked DCI Pompeo to investigate the false flag. What a nube. Think it through. They didn’t say cabal, they said agency. DoS is not an agency, it’s a department. ‘Ideologues and cranks?’ ‘Highly placed, but operating subversively within their own governments?’ You are describing CIA. https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/ That small group of highly placed individuals who did 911? That was CIA and their moles in key departments: Brennan, Blee, Cofer Black, Wilshire, Bikowsky, Bowman. The deep heart of the Russophobic cabal is not some secret society, it’s a longstanding CIA program. These programs… Read more »

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milosevic

This is a very promising thesis. I hope you can expand on it.
Another angle might be Nixon/Watergate/WaPo. Or Reagan/IranContra/North. Of course, JFK/Vietnam/Oswald goes without saying.

Ciaran Goggins
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Was Calvin a Calvinist? If one believes in double predestination we already know the answer.

physicsandmathsrevision
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Here’s a lecture given to FSB (KGB) students by a Russian professor. He says the world is governed by a “Conceptual Power” that exists above elected governments and that this template has been in place since 1350 B.C.. Very interesting at the very least:

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Alan

Another article by Mr Meyssan
http://www.voltairenet.org/article200375.html
refers to the British regime
“…is elaborated by an elite gathered around the monarch, outside of any form of popular control…”
The idea of a deep state seems too convenient. In every sphere the regime exploits the population for it’s own requirements, if indeed the regime adheres to a nationality. Cold war, hot war are regime terms, all that matters is knowing who not to trust.

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Re BZ (British Zyklon?) the following lengthy clip from Saker’s “Curious Incident” discussion reflects OffG’s raison d’etre: that Facts Really ought to be Sacred. The MSM have abandoned this principle, as have the Leaders of F, UK and US regimes among others in the Western world. This is a huge reversal of human progress, and extremely dangerous for the world because the West now has runaway Technology without Ethics. BTL Saker: vot tak on April 16, 2018 · at 1:09 am UTC 14.04.2018 Embassy Press Officer comments on the findings of the Swiss experts regarding the Salisbury incident https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6486 “Q.… Read more »

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US now explicitly commits itself to stay in Syria for purpose of…..Iran.
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/nikki-haley-seems-to-be-saying-us-will-remain-in-syria-as-long-as-iran-exists

thorella
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There is a very powerful deep state in the UK. I think its leadership is hidden deep in the Privy Council and enforced by MI5/MI6. It runs a hidden economy financed through crime – fraud against UK taxpayers, foreign countries etc, It controls the judiciary when need be. This speech by Gerald James although old gives some idea;
http://zersetzen.wikispaces.com/file/view/Gerald+Reaveley+James.pdf
The next link shows the involvement in crime:
https://goggzilla.wordpress.com/2017/01/10/not-only-was-the-mets-investigation-into-the-costello-affidavit-a-sham-but-so-was-the-authorities-entire-conduct-of-barry-beardalls-appeal/

intergenerationaltrauma
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Excellent post Catte. Thanks. There is certainly serious dissension within the ranks of the U.S. establishment or we would not be seeing the various fits and stops and starts that have characterized both Trump’s appointments, and his subsequent removal of various appointed advisors, as well as his erratic foreign policy actions since he entered office. Trump himself was never “the problem” for the collective U.S. deep state, it was Trump’s stated goal of “getting along with Russia” that has prompted close to open warfare between factions of the U.S. ruling class and institutional structures. What is amazing to behold is… Read more »

flaxgirl
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Fascinating article but … Seventeen years ago a small group of highly placed individuals in the US government may have engineered or at very least allowed 9/11 to happen for their own geopolitical ends ??? May have? Allowed? How many articles has OffG published on 9/11 that show unequivocally that it was an inside job? Seventeen years later with the vision of hindsight for those of us who did swallow the lies we can see how utterly silly we were. We can see so clearly how steel frame skyscrapers do not collapse symmetrically due to fires, how a band of… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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9/11 irrefutably, I would say, was a MOSSAD operation, with US sayanim, and Sabbat Goy involvement, the US side centred on that Zionist Israel First cabal, the ‘neo-conservatives’. Christopher Bollyn does an excellent job of outlining the Zionist ‘ Clash of Civilizations’ and ‘War on (Islam) Terror’ projects, the latter, in particular, an endeavour of Netanyahu’s for decades. Everything that flowed from that event, the genocides in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and the destruction inflicted on those unlucky lands, the crucifixion of Syria, the regular, ritual, massacres in Gaza, are all creations of the Zionist elite, and follow closely the strategy… Read more »

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“..Let’s be as rigorous about the sceptical argument as we are about the official story.” Absolutely agree. It is quite reasonable for someone to be convinced that, to use a popular argument on this thread, Corbyn is an MI 6 agent but if there is no evidence of this cited not only is it impossible to insist on the ‘irrefutable’ nature of the assertion but to do so is to discredit oneself, the discussion in question and, fairly quickly, the blog in its entirety. It is one of life’s little ironies that off guardian, which insists that we weigh evidence… Read more »

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@bevin I am sad to see you write that. I have not seen anyone here claiming Corbyn to be an MI6 agent, and it reads as inflationary misrepresentation to say that people have. The Labour bureaucracy is simply overpowered/ outmaneuvered by a very well organised, well connected and well resourced psywar operation, – one that has at least some links to Israel and zionist sympathies. Too many on the Corbyn Left cannot engage with this for fear of being branded racist. Do you refute the accusation of Corbyn’s appeasement? Evidence for Mossad involvement in 9/11 ? There is a heap… Read more »

Admin
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Admin

Does this network include the US/UK or any NATO countries?

mog
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@Admin
Does this network include the US/UK or any NATO countries?
Yes.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

I suggest immersing yourself in Christopher Bollyn’s excellent videos regarding Israeli planning for just such an operation, to be undertaken to provide the ‘New Pearl Harbor’ that the fanatic Zionist ‘neo-conservatives’ declared presciently would be needed to get the USA to do Israel’s dirty work in destroying the Moslem countries of the MENA. The evidence of Israeli and US sayanim involvement is huge, most circumstantial, but other parts, like the ‘five dancing Israelis’ seen filming the atrocity in real time, are rather more convincing.

Ross Hendry
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Bollyn is very reliable on 9/11, in my view.

BigB
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I read one of Bollyn’s books, can’t remember the title. I take on a lot of his points: but I personally frame such events as transnational, or better still: supra-national. To say it was this or that country alone is not how I view it: the perpetraitors were ultimately working for a “higher cause”! Caitlin Johnstone just did a piece about this: the ultimate beneficiaries form a globalised superclass that is totally amoral and has no allegiance to any particular cause or country. Zinoviev termed this the Westernised “supra-society”. Certainly not every individual: but at the corrupted core – all… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The Zionist elite support other states and their elites only in so far as they serve Israel’s interests, or rather the interests of the Israeli and Diaspora elites. These interests are not those of much of Jewry, or, of course, of any goyim but the collaborative type like May, Micron, Cheney et al. The Zionist elite most certainly do possess global ambitions rooted in Talmudic doctrine.

Admin
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Admin

Stop this monomania about “joory”. It’s sub-intelligent racism and not welcome here.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Please don’t misrepresent me. I have stated over and over again that the culprits are the Zionist elites in Israel and the Diaspora, NOT Jews as a whole. Many Jews oppose the nefarious activities of the Zionist elites, and many others are passive, just like all other communities. But in the matter of 9/11 proposing that the Zionists not be mentioned is quite bizarre. In my comments immediately above (the last seven or eight) there are eight ‘Zionists’ and one ‘Jewry’ and that was in the context of asserting that not all Jews support Zionist crimes or benefit from them.

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Didn’t suggest you shouldn’t “mention” anybody. Check back. Suggested you should stop obsessively littering your posts with queasy refs to “goyim”, “Jewry”, etc
Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Zionists are Jews. We all know that. You know that. Now let it go.

BigB
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Bevin: if this comment is aimed in part at me, you are deliberately misrepresenting my assertions. No one on this thread, makes the accusation that Jeremy is an MI6 agent …except you. As you say, there is no evidence for this and personally, I do not believe he is. What I have empirically and objectively shown (previously with links) is that he can be co-opted by the Cabinet Office and JIC to conduit faulty intelligence fed to him. That does NOT make him part of the intelligence apparatus, only ancillary to it. To this end, it was interesting to note… Read more »

always write
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the buildings collapsed because they where sub standard shite built by the mafia, who controlled the main contractors including concrete, especially concrete as they still do in Italy several years ago a company called Testwell Laboratories got taken to court in New York for falsified concrete and rebar reports, this is why those buildings collapsed, its called racketeering Donald Trump infact had problems with concrete which was not strong enough, that was reported in the NY Times in 1997, a firm called Laquila supplied the ready mix, interesting name, because its the same name of a town badly damaged in… Read more »

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There is nothing elaborate whatsoever in claiming WTC-7 came down by classic, controlled demolition, aka, an implosion. It’s irrelevant how substandard its material, how much fire was in it, or how much damage it suffered. The manner of its collapse tells all. Pre- and during- explosions, kink in middle at start, beautiful symmetry, near and partial free fall, complete dismemberment of steel frame and molten metal are all unique characteristics of controlled demolition while there is not even a lick of flame to be seen in videos of the collapse. WTC-7’s collapse by “fire” is the greatest case of the… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Ludicrous rubbish, but at least it is inventive.

always write
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always write

nothing ludicrous about it, the mob controlled the building industry in New York, and thats an absolute fact
do you honestly think they stick to building regs?
this is a clue they’re called criminals, so they probably don’t, this doesn’t mean that the US government didn’t have some sort of involvement no it simply means you have a sub standard building, more likely to collapse than one properly built

BigB
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Actually, I do have construction experience, but never mind. Building 7 irrefutably fell, at least to start, in freefall. So do you suggest that the steel frame and concrete completely and catastrophically failed at the same time? So much so that the observable top floor met no resistance at all? That defies logic and the laws of physics. The “piledriver” theory has long been debunked by AE. The concrete from the Twin Towers was atomised to fine dust. That alone rules out fire collapse or weak concrete. As to the Mafia, I believe you are right …but that does not… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

This hasbara troll is truly poor quality, B. They must be desperate at Hasbara Central. The proposition that ALL the concrete in the WTC towers turned to dust because second-rate is stupid, mendacious and ludicrous enough, but what then of all the steel beams that mysteriously melted as if they were butter cut through with a hot knife? Does the hasbara operative have an equally ludicrous explanation of that?

BigB
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Buildings don’t go rapidly from equilibrium to disequilibrium without a massive input of energy. In Italy, it was an earthquake, in NY, planes alone were not enough. All of the has been covered by AE911. Where’s the guy been for 15 years!

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

In Hasbara College-but he flunked out.

always write
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always write

the concrete was turned to dust because it was substandard
poor aggregate and not enough cement, exactly the same thing was seen in the Italian town of L’aquila when buildings collapsed, plus its common knowledge the mafia mixed the stuff, or are you suggesting some sort of “exotic” eplosive was used to destroy all the concrete?

BigB
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If you know anything about building: you will know concrete is inherently weak – particularly in tension. The strength of the building was in the steel frame. To suggest both failed at once is beyond ridiculous. To suggest elements of the building were ejected laterally without adding energy to the system does not compute. It is not necessary to invent a plausible mechanism to refute fire collapse. It is necessary to propose new laws of physics to suggest the concrete fell off three buildings and brought the steel frame down simultaneously.

always write
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but you’re making the assumption that everything was done right, and not looking at why concrete would turn to dust, in your experience how does concrete turn to dust? please explain it! personally I’m suggesting one thing, which is this, theres a high chance none of it met with any building codes and was under the influence of crime families who made massive profits from the opportunity to exploit the building system in New York you should check out the report by Ronald Goldstock about racketeering and the construction industry in New York all the evidence points to sub standard… Read more »

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It’s simple. No amount of substandard construction (for which you produce no evidence) can explain a free fall symmetrical collapse. Your argument is a) evidence-free and b) irrelevant. Do some reading before clogging up this page any more.

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Google Talpiot Program

This is just a load of ridiculous conjecture.
Buildings (like WTC7) do not just collapse symmetrically and at freefall speeds even if the construction is bad.

BigB
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WTC 7 did not collapse from faulty concrete!

always write
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how do you know?
have you ever worked on construction sites?
i have including bent ones, ones built like shite ,for example it didn’t supprise me when walls collapsed on dodgy PFI schools in Scotland a couple of years ago, ive seen exactly how it could happen as everyone wants to maximise profits and cut corners , tradesmen come and go no one takes responsibility now thats in the UK, think what it would be like on a job been overseen by the mafia?

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Love your hasbara, old boy. I mean, buildings collapse in New York, every day, because of shoddy building. And the question in regard to the WTC collapses is the failure of the scores of steel beams supporting the building, NOT the concrete.

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It is one of life’s little ironies that off guardian, which insists that we weigh evidence rigorously where claims by the state are concerned, is becoming something of a refuge for assertions based on evidence just as sketchy and circumstantial as those put forward by the likes of Freedland and the BBC.

Excuse me? Since when have we been guilty of that?

Catte
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Catte

We’ve successfully proved the official story is a lie, but we haven’t uncovered what actually happened beyond there being foreknowledge and pre-planning of some kind. Who did the planning, how many people knew how much how long before it happened, we do NOT know.
Do we?
Let’s be as rigorous about the sceptical argument as we are about the official story.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

How do you explain the ‘five dancing Israelis’ filming the attack as it happened, from Liberty Park in New Jersey?

Admin
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Admin

How well-sourced is that? Video? Names? Documentation?

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Google Talpiot Program

3 of the 5 appeared on an Israeli TV show afterwards where they said they were there to “document the event”.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

Admin
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Is this sinister? Several people filmed the event. No doubt these men could have had connections to Israeli intelligence, but that’s not automatic proof they were in on the plot. Big leap to just assume that. In fact you could argue the last thing any of the key insiders would be doing is advertising their connection by cheering and filming the event from on top of a white van.
Not excluding it, just saying it’s not an inevitable conclusion they were involved at all, and certainly no indication there were at the center of anything.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

LUDICROUS! They knew of the attack, before it happened. Others filming the atrocity were NOT wildly celebrating the deaths of thousands. They were attempting to pose as ‘Arabs’ to defame them. One told one of the arresting police that ‘Your enemy are the Palestinians’. The police found traces of explosives in their van. One or more failed lie-detector tests before they were simply released and allowed to go home to Israel, where they appeared on TV, one admitting to being MOSSAD.

Admin
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Steady on. The source quoted above doesn’t say anything about wild celebration, it just says the five men were looking happy and smiling. That’s a bit weird of itself but don’t exaggerate it into something else. Thats just replacing memes with other memes. Maybe they were involved, but there are many other possibilities, including them simply watching the event with no direct connection at all. What significance do you see in the traces of explosives? Are you suggesting these guys are the ones who wired the WTCs for demolition, and that they had brought the RDX/thermite there in that van,… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Your diversionary tactics are interesting. They were described as ‘dancing, jumping and giving each other ‘high-fives’. Obviously they were overcome with grief. The presence of explosive traces plainly has nothing to do so with the controlled demolition. It just seems odd, and suspicious. No-one at any time suggested that these five did the placing of the controlled demolition charges. Of course it was others, probably Israeli Death Force sappers. And they were NOT ‘just watching’-they were filming it, and from the first aircraft strike. Pretty prescient of them.

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Google Talpiot Program

“Not excluding it, jut saying it’s not an inevitable conclusion they were involved at all, and certainly no indication there were at the center of anything.”
No one is saying they are at the centre of anything. That they were in a position to film, were reportedly celebrating, their story changed multiple times in interviews with law and enforcement and that they were possibly Israeli intelligence all adds up to making it an interesting detail.
Especially when all the other evidence of 9/11 is investigated and puts the dancing Israelis in context.

flaxgirl
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Catte, we do know for absolute certain that WTC-7 came down by controlled demolition, not by fire – it’s a matter of science – and that fact means inside job, however much it was also an outside job. It’s fine to be rigorous but if the facts are staring you right in the face that’s rigour enough. I simply do not understand reluctance to call things out when they’re in your face. It’s not as if a court hearing is necessarily going to give you a better answer, is it, but hopefully there’s going to be one soon where the… Read more »

Ross Hendry
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I think Catte was saying we don’t know the people who were involved, etc. but she accepts that the official story is a lie.

flaxgirl
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We don’t know who exactly but we know for absolute certain that rogue elements within government were involved. We definitely know it was an inside job, whatever outside involvement there was.

rogermorris
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absolutely agreed. the more nuanced reality is where Karl ROVE delivered us..(“We are empire now…we create new realities..”) which is why the adults in Moscow have so far deflected these egregious false flags generated by the MI6 Britprop WhiteHelmets®.con atrocity troupe. Because they KNOW whats going on. Thierry Meysson wrote one of the very first books on false flag 911, the event beginning WW3 (911. The big LIE) He is a voice highly regarded. The ugly intentions of the anglozionist hegamon, loudly expressed as they slapped the Patriot Act into homeland ‘Law’ – to smash the middle East by all… Read more »