Labour’s commissioned Legal Opinion on legitimacy of UK Air Strikes on Syria

This is the text of the legal opinion by Professor Dapo Akande, commissioned by Tom Watson, Deputy Leader of the Labour Party on the recent airstrikes on Damascus by the UK armed forces

Opinion of Professor Dapo Akande, Professor of Public International Law & Co-Director, Oxford Institute for Ethics, Law & Armed Conflict, University of Oxford 16 April 2018
1. I have been asked by Tom Watson MP, Deputy Leader of the Labour Party, to prepare a brief opinion responding to the UK government’s position on the legality, under international law, of military action taken against the Syrian government on 13/14 April 2018. As set out in this opinion, the position taken by the government is significantly flawed. The military action taken was not in accordance with the United Nations Charter and international law.
2. The United Nations Charter (Article 2 (4)) prohibits the threat or use of armed force by states against other states. The International Court of Justice has held that prohibition of the use of force is also a principle of customary international law (Nicaragua Case 1986). The United Nations Charter provides two explicit exceptions to the prohibition of the use of force. First, states may use force in individual or collective self-defence (Article 51). Second, force may also be authorized by the UN Security Council acting under Chapter VII of the Charter, to maintain international peace and security. In addition, a use of force on the territory of a state that is consented to by the government of that state will not be in breach of the prohibition of the use of force. In recent years, the UK has relied on each of these three legal bases for force: the UK’s use of force against ISIS in Syria is being conducted on the basis of the collective self-defence of Iraq; the use of force in Libya in 2011 was authorized by the UN Security Council; and the UK’s use of force against ISIS in Iraq is being conducted with the consent of the Iraqi government.
3. In seeking to justify the airstrikes against the Assad government, the government relies on a legal position that is different from those stated in the previous paragraph. The UK government states that “The legal basis for the use of force is humanitarian intervention . . .” and then sets out three conditions for such a use of force. This argument asserts that under international law, states may, on an exceptional basis, take action in order to alleviate overwhelming humanitarian suffering, even where such action is not carried out in self-defence, authorised by the UN Security Council nor undertaken with the consent of the government of the territorial state.
4. However, despite the fact that the UK has advanced this legal position on a number of occasions, including in August 2013 when the government proposed to take military action in Syria, it is quite clear that the position advocated by the government is not an accurate reflection of international law as it currently stands. International law does not permit individual states to use force on the territory of other states in order to pursue humanitarian ends determined by those states.
5. Although the government appears to suggest that the so-called doctrine of “humanitarian intervention” is an established principle of customary international law, there is very little support by states for this legal position. For the formation of a rule of customary international law, two elements must be shown. First it must be shown that there is general state practice and second, such general state practice must be accepted as law (the requirement of opinio juris). There is neither a general state practice of humanitarian intervention nor is any such practice accepted as law. The UK government is one of only a handful of States that accepts that international law provides a right of humanitarian intervention. Indeed, neither the United States nor France has ever advanced such a view of the law nor have they sought to provide any legal justification for the recent strikes. With a couple of exceptions (namely Belgium and Denmark), other European states have also refused to endorse a legal principle permitting humanitarian intervention. On the contrary, a large number of states has rejected this legal position. In April 2000, the Declaration of the South Summit issued by the Group of 77 (which is composed of about 130 member States) states explicitly that: “‘We reject the so-called “right” of humanitarian intervention, which has no legal basis in the United Nations Charter or in the general principles of international law” (para. 54). In short, there is little opinio juris on which a doctrine of humanitarian intervention might be based under customary international law.
6. Although the matter has not been expressly considered by the International Court of Justice (ICJ), the Court did seem to reject the doctrine of humanitarian intervention in Military & Paramilitary Activities in and Against Nicaragua (Nicaragua v United States of America) (1986). In that case, the Court stated that: “while the United States might form its own appraisal of the situation as to respect for human rights in Nicaragua, the use of force could not be the appropriate method to monitor or ensure such respect.” (para. 268).
7. The responsibility to protect doctrine “R2P” does not change this position in any way. The 2005 World Summit Outcome document, agreed by consensus at Head of State level in the UN General Assembly, is the definitive document on what the “R2P” doctrine is intended to mean. Paragraph 139 of the document speaks of collective action, through the Security Council, should peaceful means fail. In other words, forceful action to prevent mass atrocity crimes is reserved to the Security Council. The notion that where the Security Council is deadlocked, “R2P” provides a legal framework for the international community to use military force – either by way of a regional coalition or a so-called “coalition of the willing” is absent from the document and would not have been approved were it suggested.
8. The most significant problem with the government’s legal position is that it would require a radical restructuring of the most fundamental rules of the international legal order. The argument that there is a right of humanitarian intervention under customary international law implies that a rule of customary international law can prevail over or modify the prohibition of the use of force in the UN Charter. Such an argument is problematic for three reasons. First, it would suggest that a rule of customary international law can prevail over an explicit and binding treaty rule. Second, such an argument would undermine the provision in the UN Charter (Art. 103) which ensures primacy of the Charter since the argument would suggest that states can override the Charter by pointing to a rule of customary law. Third, the argument would undermine the rule that the prohibition of force is a peremptory or overriding norm of international law (a norm of jus cogens) which prevails over inconsistent rules. Thus, even if it could be shown that the conditions existed for a rule of international law permitting humanitarian intervention, it would nonetheless be the case that such a rule of customary international law could not prevail over the prohibition of the use of force contained in the UN Charter.
9. It is possible for parties to a treaty to collectively interpret that treaty in a way which appears at odds with the text, and for such interpretation to become binding and definitive. The government might argue that its legal position is based on an interpretation of the UN Charter. However, for subsequent practice of states to establish a definitive interpretation of a treaty, such practice must establish the agreement of all the treaty parties as to the interpretation to be given to the treaty. For the reasons given earlier, it is clear that there is no agreement among UN members to interpret the prohibition of the use of force in a manner that permits humanitarian intervention.
10. Even if there was a doctrine of humanitarian intervention in international law, along the lines suggested by the government, the strikes against Syria would not appear to meet the tests set out by the government. The first of the three conditions set out by the government is that “there is convincing evidence, generally accepted by the international community as a whole, of extreme humanitarian distress on a large scale, requiring immediate and urgent relief.” While the humanitarian distress caused by the Syrian civil war is appalling and the use of chemical weapons is brutal and barbaric, it is by no means clear that the action taken by the government was one that was designed to bring “immediate and urgent relief” with regard to the specific evil it sought to prevent. Furthermore, although the government’s test requires that the international community as a whole accept the evidence of extreme humanitarian distress, in this particular case the action taken by the government came before the inspectors from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons were able to reach the affected area.
11. One significant problem with the interpretation given by the government to its legal position, is that if accepted by states globally, it would allow for individual assessments of when force was necessary to achieve humanitarian ends. It is precisely because of the risk of abuse that this may give rise to, and the consequent humanitarian suffering that will ensue from such abusive uses of force, that other states and many scholars have been reluctant to endorse the doctrine of humanitarian action. Acceptance of the government’s legal position in this particular case would essentially open up the possibility of a small group of states, or individual states, taking action based on their own subjective interpretations as to when it is right or proper to use force.
12. While the prospects of Security Council endorsement of strikes in Syria are non- existent, an attempt might have been made to conform to the UN Charter by seeking endorsement of the strikes from the UN General Assembly under the Uniting for Peace Resolution 377A (1950) which allows the Assembly to take measures in response to breaches of international peace, where the Council is blocked through the threat or use of force. This is the route that would permit collective international endorsement of both the overwhelming humanitarian suffering and of the need for military action to provide relief.
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Harry Law
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Harry Law

This Fisk story cannot be correct, he is a liar, the UK Government have boots on the ground, Jaish al islam who say without doubt Assad was responsible.

James Scott
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James Scott

The same invisibility applies to OANN’s cable news video.
http://www.oann.com/oan-investigation-finds-no-evidence-of-chemical-weapon-attack-in-syria/

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The Fisk report DOES NOT EXIST, as far as the local fakestream media sewer in Austfailure is concerned. And it NEVER EXISTED, either.

mohandeer
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Reblogged this on Worldtruth.

Sav
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Sav

Be wary. Because I think there may have been a chlorine attack by the ‘rebels’ which consisted of one rocket being fired to engineer their false flag. It had little impact but they tried to generate what panic they could & added their usual fake videos to the mix. The MSM keep referring to this yellow rocket/cannister and they will now claim that is proof of the government using it. Eliot Higgins is also referring to it citing a recent CBS report saying they were shown by a local to the site. It’s shown sitting on top of a hole… Read more »

stevehayes13
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stevehayes13

The government knows that its legal justification is wrong both as to law and as to the facts, but it does not care. However, the official narrative is already unravelling even in the corporate media. Robert Fisk has visited Douma and spoken to the doctor at the hospital where the video was made of the supposed victims of the alleged chemical weapons attack. He reports that the doctor told him the “victims” were suffering from a lack of oxygen due to dust, not chemical poisoning, and that a White Helmet rushed in an shouted that there had been a gas… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Meanwhile, no doubt to thwart Fisk and other journalists’ reports, the Fraudian sewer has their favourite MOSSAD disinformer, Chulov, reporting, from Tel Aviv or some other bolt-hole, that the ‘doctors’ in Douma were being threatened by the evil Assad forces.

MichaelK
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MichaelK

If I’d have Corbyn, I would have said that when I became PM, I would order a full public inquiry into how the PM ordered yet another illegal act of war based on a tissue of lies and if members of the old government were found to have broken the law I would recommend they be sent to the Hague to be tried for war crimes.
There would be lots of advantages linked to such a powerful statement, not least making May and he co-conspirators just a little bit nervous about what the future might hold for them.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

And get George Galloway to chair the proceedings.

BigB
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Looks like the airbases were the real target of the weekends fireworks: but the air defences protected them. Also looks like Bibi’s Zionist takfiri air force went back for a second go this morning. And if the IHRA definitions (with the full eleven “working examples”) get imposed on the Labour party, and then on the “left” in wider society …no further criticism of Israel will be allowed. Luckily, they have the “most moral” armed forces in the world …and would never fly air cover for jihadists!
https://www.rt.com/news/424333-syria-missiles-defense-homs/

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

If the detestable IHRA DEMANDS are inflicted on the UK, you will be fully reduced to the position of slaves, or, to quote Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the former leader of the highly influential Shas (ie Talmud) Party in Israel, ‘ The goyim were only put on earth to serve the Jews’. The good Rabbi’s funeral drew the largest ever crowd in Israeli history, several hundred thousand strong. Why Corbyn does not dismiss this vile attempt to destroy Freedom of Opinion utterly in the UK, while strongly attacking real Judeophobia, is beyond me.

Estaugh
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Estaugh

UK has no constitution? Wrong, it does. There are no tools to combat the present Neo-fascist onslaught. Wrong again, there are. — Does the everyday citizen/subject, appreciate the difference between ‘legal’ and ‘lawful’ ? Probably not. ——————-1, youtube.com/watch?v=SDc7nzmffSY , — is an important presentation with deep research and analysis on what our Common LAW is all about. —- 2, bilderberg.org/EWG.pdf — To know wherefrom EU originates. That’s just a begining

Admin
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There’s no written constitution is there? There’s custom and precedent as a form of constraint, but no binding written constitution.

James Graham
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Agreed. Another term for “written” is CODIFIED. I was interested in Paul Krugman’s comment a while back. He was asked, during an interview, “What is backing the dollar? He replied, “Men with guns.” So, law covers both civil and military institutions…covering the various degrees of law enforcement. In the UK we have a hierarchy of inherited legal institutions, posts, that convey and exercise various degrees of governing authority, e.g, legal inferiors and legal superiors. The Queen, the monarch, is the supreme governing authority and the Government is Her Majesty’s Government…she says it a lot during Queen’s speeches. Now, what reasonable… Read more »

Estaugh
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Estaugh

3, sidercatweb.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/freenations-net-1.pdf — 4, Shoe-horned into the EU, a widely available doc. revealing gov. shenanigans preceding the 1972 vote on EEC membership. — 5, the petition of the barons, 2001. — 6, telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1327734/Peers-petition-Queen-on-Eu — 7, truthwars .co.uk

mohandeer
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Estaugh.
While it might not have lawful status, if we can”t show it is illegal, then our lack of a written constitution means that any attempt to hold to accountability can and will, just go back and forth between contenders. We took many of our rights from membership within the EU and they are now contested or outright undone since May came into power.

rtj1211
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rtj1211

I think I have just about worked out Mrs May’s moral framework of priorities. 1) Never ever fail to prioritise arms sales above womens rights. There is no democracy, however imperfect, where a woman could become President that should be allied with if a misogynistic dictatorship which spends billions on UK arms exports is the alternative. 2) There is no rule of law for either the USA or Israel, as they have told us that we are their closest allies (except when they want something from Macron). 3) Hundreds of thousands of starving children in Yemen do not count, but… Read more »

sallysdad
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sallysdad

And don’t forget, if voting or “democracy” worked, it would be declared illegal.

John Gilberts
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John Gilberts

I guess it’s no surprise to discover that G7 world leaders don’t care about international law constraints on their crimes, but here’s the latest evidence of that:
G7 Leaders’ Statement on Syria
https://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2018/04/16/g7-leaders-statement-syria
“We the G7 Leaders…fully support all efforts made by the US, the UK and France to degrade the Assad regime’s ability to use chemical weapons and to deter any future use, demonstrated by their action taken on April 13. This response was limited, proportionate and necessary…”

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The G7 is the gang of Western thugs who imagine that their brutal dominance of humanity is ordained by God, and therefore any means, preferably destruction and genocide, are justified to maintain that supremacy, forever. Or else they will destroy the world in a fit of rage.

mohandeer
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Sorry Mulga, but TPTB don’t believe in any God or anything that would not directly benefit their own interests.

Ben Sampson
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Ben Sampson

they think: Ordained by God… or the Devil?

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Either is simply their ego projected onto the Universe. Manifestly they are Evil incarnate, just as wicked as any Nazi or any other of humanity’s cast of monsters down through the ages.

Dave Massingham
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Dave Massingham

Re UK backing of ‘unsavoury’ rebels/terrorists, such as those in Syria, I remember Thatcher’s government supporting (at least vocally), the Khmer Rouge against the ‘liberating’ Vietnamese, just so they kept on side with the Yanks.
Nothing changes it seems…

James Scott
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James Scott

I have just posted this on the Guardians website. I believe it is very pertinent to the need for the UK and USA to be censured for breaching international law with impunity. Oh dear the good old Coalition of the Killing have done it again. The UK and USA and France were lying about the latest gas attack. Journalists now in Ghouta confirm it was the Syrians and Russians telling the truth and our Good Guys bombing people on the basis of lies and the good old White Helmets staging the chemical attack. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-16/first-western-journalist-syrian-hospital-which-treated-chemical-weapons-victims Maybe the MSM, this web site… Read more »

James Scott
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James Scott

PS. In the post above, when I said “Maybe the MSM, this web site included, will learn not to believe what they are told by our Governments and the terrorists that work for them, and instead do some independent investigation.”I was referring to the Guardian.” not this web site.

vexarb
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From Syrian Arab News Agency SANA: Angry British MPs denounce their country’s participation in aggression on Syria https://sana.sy/en/?p=134643 London, SANA – British members in the House of Commons have expressed their contempt over their country’s participation in the US-British-French tripartite aggression on Syria, indicating that this military action is illegal. British Prime Minister, Theresa May, faced angry MPs in the House of Commons who questioned why she ordered the attack on Syria and launched military action without securing the support of the Commons, as quoted by British media. The Labor leader, Jeremy Corbyn, questioned the legality of the bombings, saying… Read more »

BigB
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I confirmed something this weekend: it’s not just Luke Harding, Freedland is a spook too. Or in touch with spooks, or clairvoyant: and I don’t much fancy the latter. What I mean is that he espoused the likely government strategy on Syria: but on Thursday on BBC QT …BEFORE the Cabinet met on Friday to decide policy. And that policy is to be targeted attacks to deprive Assad of a specific element of his chemical weapons program: each time he crosses the new humanitarian imperialist red line and uses CW on innocent civilians. Now there are so many problems with… Read more »

Toby
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It’s been that way for a very long time. It’s just becoming more and more apparent as the general public gets better at piercing the FUD. “People like you are still living in what we call the reality-based community. You believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality. That’s not the way the world really works anymore. We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you are studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Freedland is a Zionist fanatic-no more need be said.

BigB
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Granted: a Zionist with a direct line to MI6, or so it would seem. Also, cogently, he said Jeremy Corbyn is NOT an anti-semite: which would indicate to me that the current manufactered fake anti-semitism coup is not to unseat him: but to curb his authority and neuter the left …especially those who commit the “thought crime” of anti-semitism. Which is impossible not to do with the current and future definitions imposed. The left, especially any who support BDS or Palestinian rights will be subjected to “racial awareness training”. How very crypto-fascist?

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

That will in reality be ‘Know your place, goy’ training. A very vital aspect of this upsurge of character assassination, vile bullying, thuggish and open-ended demands and arrogant contempt is PRECISELY to feed real Judeophobia. The Zionists will be ecstatic if their villainous efforts to destroy UK Labour for the Supreme Crime of ‘antisemitism’ manifest as ‘Leftwing policies’ and ANY criticism of Israel or support for the Palestinians, produces a backlash of anger directed at the Jewish community, from anyone. That feeds their modus operandi of hatred and the creation of reciprocal hatred, their existential fuel. Corbyn could land a… Read more »

Change corrupt Government and end war
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Change corrupt Government and end war

A legal opinion questioning the legality of military action against sovereign nation Syria is long overdue after the manipulation and lies surrounding the Iraq invasion. However, the acceptance by this Professor that there has been a chemical attack without actual evidence and who is to blame if indeed such a chemical attack in the Skirpal case or in Syria is also questionable given the no evidence scenario. I think while the UK, France and US may have declared international law as is a Star Chamber but when did humanitarian interventions ever involve bombing a nation into adopting humanitarian policies unless… Read more »

James Scott
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James Scott

Great post but don’t worry the House of Cards is about to come tumbling down. Watch the video from Ghouta and say goodbye to Theresa May and Boris the Bomber.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-16/first-western-journalist-syrian-hospital-which-treated-chemical-weapons-victims

BigB
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Fisk confirmed the Russians: they have the young medical student (he can be seen in the background of the SAMS/White Helmets video, looking perplexed) on camera telling the same story. Fisk, who is the be credited with taking enormous personal risk (I don’t mean going to Syria, I mean coming back home!) will be dismissed as “Russian propaganda” no doubt. My question is: where did the bodies come from then? There is seemingly a terrible and dark heart to our Western propagandising?

mohandeer
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@BigB. Have been asking the same question – they would have to be buried in unmarked graves. Any REAL hospital is going to deliver them for autopsy and if they’ve been stolen from a morgue awaiting PM their ruse will be up.
It’s a terrible thought for the victims and for their bereaved families.

JudyJ
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Mohandeer – Apologies if it’s been said elsewhere on this website (I’ve been incommunicado for a few days and am still catching up on recent comments) but I recall the Russian military comment, when they went to Douma immediately after the ‘attack’ and after liberation, stating that they had been unable to find any supposed victims, dead or alive. Whilst the building where this atrocity took place has been identified – or so it’s been reported – there is nothing to say that these poor people were not killed weeks or even months ago in anticipation of being able to… Read more »

mog
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mog

It will be interesting to see how things play out for Fisk.
Will he try to make waves about the false narrative, or button down for the preservation of his career/ reputation ?
I remember his odd (veiled?) article about 9/11 (2007) which seemed to raise the issues but at the same time raise a flag to say that he is ‘on message’ with the corporate media.
http://911truth.org/robert-fisk-even-i-question-the-truth-about-911/

BigB
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The jury is out on Fisk, for me. He is way left of field on occasion, but not as devastatingly so as Eva or Vanessa. Is this a limited hangout? It would appear not for the moment: let’s see what develops? Like the commenter above: I bookmarked the article, but it won’t open now …which is a good sign! –

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The Zionists LOATHE Fisk with the usual fervour. This will simply be ignored or dismissed. Already the Fraudian’s pet MOSSAD asset, Chulov, is reporting that ‘doctors’ (specialising in headectomies) in Douma have been threatened by the Syrian Government, not to speak out. The lies NEVER stop.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The US, UK, French, Israeli etc regimes, are no different from that of Nazi Germany save in that their mendacity, hypocrisy and narcissistic self-regard are without parallel in history. The only thing that will stop them from committing ever greater atrocities is military defeat and social upheaval, impossible in the age of thermo-nuclear weapons and genetic recombination in bio-warfare. So, sometime soon, they will either go too far and cause a thermo-nuclear war, or will preside over a global ecological collapse caused by their ruling elites’ insatiable greed and hatred of Life.

sallysdad
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sallysdad

And please don’t forget, world climate is already past the point of no return, a tipping point, so damaging change is coming no matter what we do now. There are massive changes now which I am seeing even in my lifetime, and my area of eastern Canada (huge drops in fish stocks, weather patterns, extreme storms), and this will only become more extreme over time. Part, but only part, of what precipitated the turmoil in Syria was a prolonged drought, over a number of years. The expected ecological damage to the world will have a devestating effect on all the… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Have you seen the statement, now signed by thousands of scientists, reiterating the ‘Warning to Mankind’ that a similar group made twenty-five years ago, when they declared that if humanity did not change its destructive ways, that a catastrophe would befall the planet? The UN also declared recently that global ecological collapse was ‘imminent’. Here, in Austfailure, the fakestream media sewer, and the invertebrates employed therein, have either almost completely ceased reporting the parameters of ecological collapse, and certainly investigating the reasons for it, or, in the case of the deranged Murdoch cancer and the ‘elite’ business press, are STILL… Read more »

sallysdad
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sallysdad

And these people also will have to face crimes against humanity. They have no right to this to the planet we all share.
When it becomes a question of food or no food, I pity what will be done to those so called leaders.

sgw123
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well said

WJ
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WJ

Russia has claimed again today that they possess “irrefutable proof” that there was no chemical attack in Douma. This puts the OPCW in a bind. Do they call Russia’s bluff on the assumption that no proof could be “irrefutable”? Or are they worried that Russia is not bluffing? Is Russia bluffing? What proof could they possibility possess that would be strong enough to penetrate coordinated lies of US, a corrupt OPCW, and the Western media? Recall that Russia has said the attack on Syria “will not be left without consequence” for the perpetrating states. Was this a threat to divulge… Read more »

Harry Law
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Harry Law

An American journalist who gained access to the war-torn town of Douma, where the US, France and the UK charged that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons against civilians, says he found “no evidence” of a chemical weapons attack. The reporter said he later spoke with another 30 to 40 residents of the town. “I went up to random people. I know there’s a lot of concern from people that the residents being interviewed are plants — they’re Russian operatives or they’re staged interviews or things like that. We just randomly went up to different people — nobody came… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Funny how people are walking around Douma, unaffected by residual ‘sarin’, when large parts of Salisbury are to be cordoned off for NINE MONTHS, as the ‘trail’ (Litvinenko redux?)of ‘nerve agents’ is remediated, or something. Mass demolition, the rubble dumped at sea, perhaps, as in Bali, or shipped off to China, as after 9/11 perhaps? One look at May’s wretched, twisted, visage tells you that a frightful hysteria dwells therein, and under tight, but tenuous, control.

Betrayed planet.
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Betrayed planet.

I heard the SAA are holding some British, arrested at some point over weekend who were possibly involved in staging the false flag. I have no links as proof however.

tomiejones
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Reblogged this on circusbuoy.

tecumseh remembers
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tecumseh remembers

we talk like they talk….we play their game, we wriggle and squirm for truth, are left twisted and manipulated, formed into a shape and led in a direction of their making, the taking of sides, the arguing over them. They who know the game so well, with thousands of years on the board – the game is over before it begins – it is fixed, as all the high players, those leaders we are led to believe are separate and individual – are working together, as one – but we the fools, generation on generation – play ourselves into following,… Read more »

Admin
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oh please – don’t give them such credit. That kind of of uber-nihilism is just another way of asserting control. A five year old wouldn’t believe the nonsense our “leaders” are currently talking. They’re not brilliant manipulators fifty steps ahead of us, they’re privileged fools who can’t create a convincing lie even when they have the entire power of the establishment and media behind them.
And DON’T say they don’t need to make it convincing. They do. They just can’t.

James Scott
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James Scott

I agree they have out of desperation overplayed their hand. Now when the truth becomes widespread our lying governments will not be believed by the majority. The other chemical and germ warfare “attacks” had been exposed as having no proof of involvement by the Syrian Army except the claims by those saintly rescuers the White Mens Helmets. Their lack of credibility and even their staging of fake atrocities now lies tattered by the inevitable exposure of the truth. Jeremy Corbyn who has been the target of the interventionists for opposing violence without proof of guilt is the winner now and… Read more »

tecumseh remembers
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tecumseh remembers

Admin : I give them, the ‘leaders” no credit, other than a few meaningless points for their acting skills – on orders and script fed, directed by those high players – so yes they are nothing , and so, how strange there are still those deluded ones who believe in their power, it is truly difficult to fathom, just as are those who are also stuck fast in the thinking of nations apart , it is for them I think, a warm, comforting, and pretty ideology to hold….soft and easy to hide their heads in a bouncing toyland than imagine… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

If there was just ONE honest and morally sane journalist left anywhere in the Western fakestream brainwashing apparatus, the lies, hypocrisy and sheer cant of the Imperial thugs would be exposed, as they are across the blogosphere. But there is not one, just an asylum of increasingly vicious and hysterical boot-licking propaganda droogs, each vying with the others to ingratiate themselves with their rich, Rightwing, pro-Imperial owners with displays of hysterical hatemongering that are beginning to make Streicher et al look like novices.

Binra (@onemindinmany)
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The deceit hides in the forms of law, humanitarian concern and any other mask of acceptability in order to operate destruction through the minds of the deceived. The deceit likewise mask behind the lures of victory, dominion and self specialness in order to capture the mind of the unwary and use them to choose their own destruction through false promise and fantasy gratification. Power that has no basis or substance in open relational communication seeks vengeance upon the life that it feels denied by, deprived of, excluded from or limited and constrained by by replicated these acts under a sense… Read more »

Mikalina
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Mikalina

Twaddle.

vexarb
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@Mikalina. No, deep philosophy. “It is not true there is no true” is a statement in Semantics and Ontology, to be precise. Also possibly in Epistemology. And probably in Ethics as well.
“The truth rarely if ever convinces its opponents; it simply outlives them” — Max Planck, physicist. Because Truth comes from the Mind of God the Creator, the Ever Lasting, and is inbuilt in His Creation. Mortals who say “We create our own reality” are in a state of sin — as shown by their wicked deeds.

James Scott
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James Scott

While not god dependent I agree that there are truths and relative truths. Otherwise the proposition that there are no truths cannot be true as it relies on there being at least one truth to be verifiable.

BigB
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For me, this statement highlights the problem with language orientated semantic ontology. “It is not true there is no true” is declaritive of an absolute true: that is unfalsifiable under all circumstances. This is false: “It is both true and not true that there is no true ” is an improvement …but it is also a recursive tautology: and can be disregarded as “unfalsifiable”. Western philosophy hits a wall and bounces back into semantics: and quite frankly, gets lost there. Eastern philosophy is anti-philosophical for this reason. Dzogchen and Zen cut through the language barrier to … …birdsong and a… Read more »

Kathy
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Kathy

Y gwir yn erbyn y byd The truth against the world.

vexarb
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@Kathy. Especially against the deceitful world of worldly people.

Kathy
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Kathy

True.

Kathy
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Kathy

Sorry. I just realized this could have come across as trite When I was just in agreement but tired and hadn’t realized what I had done there.

vexarb
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@James Scott. Like one of Russel’s self-referal conundrums? There can be no truth only if the statement, “There are no truths” is itself a truth.

vexarb
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@Binra: “It is not true there ismno true”.
True.

Harry Law
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Harry Law

This US, UK,and French breach of the UN Charter could have been much worse. Trump discussed three military options then “Finally, the most aggressive proposal might have included bombing Russian air defenses in Syria, in order to “cripple the regime’s military capabilities without touching [President Bashar] Assad’s political machinery.” The latter option, which would have been three times as powerful as the one eventually carried out by the US, the UK and France, was reportedly particularly favored by Trump, pressing his team to consider strikes on Russian and Iranian targets in Syria. The US president was willing to go that… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Mattis, like all Yanks, has a gift for gaudy patter-when the victim du jour is a disarmed Iraq, Grenada or the slums of Panama City. Falluja was a massacre, the typical display of US ‘martial valour’. Up against Russia or China, sans nukes on either side, they’ll be wailing for their ‘Moms’ in no time.

summitflyer
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summitflyer

Is impeachment a tool of the UK parliamentary system ? Or what is available at the disposal of the citizens of the UK to reign back such criminal activity on the part of their government as they have broken international law to say nothing of their own laws possibly .

Jen
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Jen

“Citizens” of the UK – that is, the Queen’s subjects – could push their representatives through referenda perhaps to hold a vote of no confidence in Theresa May’s leadership and her cabinet. A two-thirds majority in favour of “no confidence” may be enough to enable the Queen to dismiss Theresa May’s government and a new general election would have to be held. But I must admit that I don’t live in the UK so I don’t know how the public there could start that ball rolling. Precedents exist in Australia (from 1932 when the New South Wales Governor dismissed NSW… Read more »

Harry Law
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Harry Law

summitflyer, Wish there was something we could do, maybe throw her out at the next election. As for legal action
This was tried against the war criminal Blair..…”Britain’s High Court has blocked an attempt by an Iraqi ex-general to prosecute former Prime Minister Tony Blair for invading Iraq in 2003.
General Abdulwaheed Shannan Al Rabbat’s case centred on the concept that a “crime of aggression” would be recognised under English law. But the High Court said that while the concept exists under international law, it does not exist in domestic law at present”. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/uk-court-blocks-iraqi-general-bid-prosecute-blair-170731161620916.html

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Relying on the class and elite favouring jurisprudence of the UK to deliver justice to anyone but the rulers of society is self-delusion at its worst. The example of the loathsome Tory Arbuthnot,and her vile ‘judgment’ against Assange, including the swinish arrogance of her contemptuous dismissal of the findings of the UN Committee on Arbitrary Detention, a legal body each of which members have more legal expertise in their little fingers than she in her whole carcass is utterly typical.

James Scott
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James Scott

But you forget the Eleventh Commandment.
11. I am a Tory there will be no Gods before me. (Or was that sods)

Admin
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assuming elections are not rigged

rtj1211
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rtj1211

Go ask Ed Balls if his vote was rigged in 2015……and ask David Dimbleby if he knew in advance about it…

James Scott
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James Scott

Sorry i don’t know either of those chaps well enough to chat with them. perhaps you could tell us about rigged votes.

Betrayed planet.
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Betrayed planet.

The May regime have very effectively destroyed any remaining shreds of democracy we had left over from idiot Cameron’s reign. This has all been intentional from 2010 to date, very thoroughly dismantled with the MSM on board from the off. I no longer have much hope, am considering how to leave, I have adult children here. The ignorance and greed of Tory voters is astonishing.

AntonyI
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AntonyI

That rot is not one sided: remember the Blairites? Same in other Western nations. Still, it is not 100%; some politicians managed to stay off that Crack but get stopped by the MSM. Eastern Europe seems to have some immunity…

May Ayres
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Yes, with regretful despair I have to agree that all hope is disappearing. My life has been spent, seemingly ineffectually, fighting against tyranny. But the tyranny today is like a tsunami, threatening to engulf us. The MSM is diabolical, our ineffective demos and rallies are pathetic and even more morally repugnant, all eyes are averted from the barbaric attack by Israel, on the Palestinians.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

If you dare to look at Palestine or dare to mention the horror of the Palestinians’ eternal torment, then you are clearly an ‘antisemite’, and will soon be locked up for it.