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What Would Sherlock Holmes Have Made of the Government’s Explanation of the Case of Sergei and Yulia Skripal?

by Rob Slane from The Blogmire


In an article on 3rd May, the Guardian journalist, Luke Harding, made the following rather amusing observation:

Since the Skripals were found stricken on a park bench, Downing Street has stuck to one version of events. Theresa May says it is ‘highly likely’ Moscow carried out the attack using a Soviet-made nerve agent. Only the Kremlin had the motive to kill its former officer, she argues.”

The funny part, in case you didn’t spot it, was his claim that Downing Street has stuck to one version of events. He is of course correct, but what he doesn’t tell his readers is that this one version of events has had a plethora of sub-narratives attached to it, none of which have been able to remotely support the main thesis. Sticking to one version of events is reasonable only inasmuch as that version can be supported by facts. On the other hand, if the version of events being stuck to is not supported by the facts, or if the “facts” constantly change, or if the “facts” are contradictory, then sticking to it is a measure not of reasonableness, as Mr Harding implies, but rather of absurdity, folly and irrationality.
G. K. Chesterton once cautioned us against the propensity towards indefinite scepticism:

Merely having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.”

This is very true. But there is another, equally insidious, ditch which must be avoided. Let’s put it like this:

Closing your mind too quickly can be worse than nothing. The object of closing the mind, as of closing the mouth, is to make sure that when you do, you have something solid inside.”

So is the narrative that Downing Street closed on so quickly after the incident solid? Does it stand up to scrutiny? Let’s see.

The Claim

The basic claim of the UK Government is as follows:

On 4th March 2018, Sergei and Yulia Skripal were poisoned by a military-grade nerve agent, which had been put on the handle of Mr Skripal’s front door in Christie Miller Road, Salisbury. The substance used was A-234 (a Novichok agent), which is said to be around 5-8 times more lethal than VX (just 10 milligrams of VX on the skin can be lethal). It had been placed there by a person or persons either working on behalf of the Government of the Russian Federation, or who had somehow managed to come into possession of the substance from stocks controlled by the Russian Government.

As Mr Harding implies, it’s all very straightforward. So let’s test it.

What would you have expected to happen?

The basic question one must ask is as follows: Given the scenario outlined in the Government claim, what would you have expected to happen? Here are four basic things one would reasonably have expected:

  • 1. Sergei and Yulia Skripal found dead in or near Mr Skripal’s house, followed by a coroner’s verdict stating that they had died from heart failure or suffocation, as a result of fluid secretions filling their lungs.
  • 2. Or – in the slim chance that they survived – a period of months in hospital with irreparable damage to their central nervous systems, and symptoms including cirrhosis, toxic hepatitis, nerve damage and epilepsy.
  • 3. A massive manhunt, both in Salisbury and in the rest of the country, especially in respect of the couple who appeared on a CCTV camera in Market Walk, of whom it was originally claimed were the Skripals, but who were clearly not the Skripals.
  • 4. Mr Skripal’s house entirely closed off, with surrounding streets immediately evacuated, and the parts of Salisbury City Centre where the pair were known to have visited also evacuated.
  • What actually happened?

    So much for what we would have expected to see. Now, more than two months after the incident, we can ask the question: What actually happened?

  • 1. After they allegedly came into contact with the very lethal A-234 nerve agent, far from dying on the spot, Sergei and Yulia Skripal spent the next four hours driving into the City Centre, having a drink, and then going for a meal. They then sat on a bench, and at some point thereafter exhibited what appeared to be hallucinations, suggestive of poisoning by an opioid or non-lethal chemical weapon, rather than a nerve agent.
  • 2. Rather than being hospitalised for months and suffering irreparable damage to their central nervous systems, just over four weeks later, Yulia Skripal telephoned her cousin, Viktoria, and assured her several times that “Everything is okay”. Crucially, she stated that “Everyone’s health is fine, there are no irreparable things.
  • 3. There has been no manhunt, and the couple who appeared on the CCTV camera in Market Walk have not been identified publicly, nor have there been any appeals for information about them.
  • 4. Far from the streets around the house being evacuated, many photographs show police officers without any protective clothing standing just a few feet away from the door handle, which allegedly still had A-234 of “high purity” on it. Neither was the City Centre evacuated, but people who thought they might have come into contact with the substance were advised by Public Health England (PHE) to wash their clothing in a washing machine, and wipe personal items such as phones, handbags and other electronic items with cleansing or baby wipes.
  • What Would Holmes Have Made of it?

    If you laid all that out in front of Sherlock Holmes – the claims, the expectations, and the reality – and asked him what he made of it, he would no doubt reply along the following lines:

    On the assumption that the substance known as A-234 is several times more toxic than VX, which all credible references to it claim that it is, then given that the Skripals did not die on the spot, and having survived do not appear to have any of the lasting and irreparable side-effects of being poisoned by this substance, it can be stated with reasonable certainty that they were not poisoned by it. Furthermore, given the symptoms that they displayed on the bench, according to eye-witness testimony, in all probability, Mr Skripal and Yulia were poisoned by a substance which can cause hallucinations, such as the opioid, Fentanyl, or an incapacitating, but non-lethal, chemical such as 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate (BZ). This theory is given credence by the fact that Salisbury District Hospital originally believed the incident to be a case of Fentanyl poisoning.”

    What Would Holmes do Next?

    Having used the known facts to establish beyond reasonable doubt that the Skripals were not poisoned by A-234, what would Holmes do next?
    The obvious thing would be to interview both Sergei and Yulia Skripal, since both are apparently alive and well. He would want to gather details about their movements on the morning of 4th March 2018, and whether they saw anyone acting suspiciously either near the house, or at the bench. He would want to know why Mr Skripal apparently became highly agitated in Zizzis. And he would of course want to find out from Mr Skripal about who he had dealings with in the weeks prior to the incident.
    So what, you might ask, would he make of it if he found out that nobody, including him, was allowed to see Mr Skripal or Yulia? What, you might ask, would he make of the fact that nothing has been heard of Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey since his release from hospital more than six weeks ago? What, you might ask, would he make of the fact that there has been not one single police or press report looking into any of these things?
    Holmes being Holmes, he would of course want to retain an open mind for as long as possible. But in the absence of any credible explanation for these oddities, or for the huge disparity between the UK Government claims and what actually happened, no doubt his great mind would soon start closing in on the suspicion that not only were the Skripals not poisoned by A-234, but it would appear that a cover up of what really happened has taken place.


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    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 24, 2018 3:15 PM

    Excerpt:
    “Judging by quite a few elements, the text was a translation from English and had been initially written by a native English-speaker,” the embassy said. “The handwritten letters signed by Yulia in Russian and English confirm this impression.”
    Russian diplomats must be allowed access to Yulia Skripal to know she’s not held forcibly – embassy
    https://www.rt.com/news/427580-embassy-yulia-skripal-access/

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 24, 2018 10:11 PM
    Reply to  vierotchka

    This is the ‘Rules Based International Order’, that Western psychopaths squawk like deranged parrots. A Treaty still in force between Russia and the UK, and customary International Law, that OBLIGE consular access, DESPITE any supposed ‘reluctance’ on the part of the (in this case) kidnapped victims, are simply ignored, and their existence and force either ignored by the fakestream media presstitute scum or denied with that vicious mendacity that we are so familiar with. ‘Srikpal’, if it is she, was clearly reciting a tract learned before-hand.

    John Marks
    John Marks
    May 23, 2018 10:24 PM

    MSM is featuring poor Julia’s written statement, read out by her in a secret location.
    It convinces no-one as a “free” statement.
    Maybe we can look forward to a similar statement by DS Bailey?
    Or even the doc who gave Skripal CPR for 30 minutes yet she was not contaminated herself?
    They would be interviews of significant scientific interest . . .

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 23, 2018 10:25 PM
    Reply to  John Marks

    She is looking well and not stressed at all. See my post below.

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 24, 2018 9:44 AM
    Reply to  vierotchka

    Is it her?

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 24, 2018 3:14 PM

    Yes, without a doubt.

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 24, 2018 10:12 PM
    Reply to  vierotchka

    How can you tell?

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 24, 2018 10:25 PM

    As I wrote before, do read that whole web-page, top to bottom, and click on the links inside it.

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 23, 2018 10:19 PM

    This just in:
    Published on 23 May 2018
    Yulia Skripal – the woman poisoned in the UK alongside her double-agent father – gives her first media interview since the incident, saying her life’s been turned upside down, and that she wants to return to Russia.
    READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/95×2

    John Marks
    John Marks
    May 23, 2018 7:07 PM

    It’s looking more and more like the British establishment and the CIA are in cahoots against the American president.
    And the “three wise men” facilitating it – including the Skripal affair – are William Browder, Stefan Halper and Christopher Steele.

    gbrbsb
    gbrbsb
    May 24, 2018 10:02 AM
    Reply to  John Marks

    And don’t forget Pablo Miller who is both linked with Christopher Steele (Orbis), as well as with Sergei Skripal either as his MI5/6 handler or as one of the secret services that got him to sell his secrets to the UK.

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 22, 2018 10:38 PM

    WHERE ARE SKRIPALS!? MI5 Is Desperately Trying To Hide Its False Flag Op – London Insider Nekrassov
    Published on 22 May 2018
    Alexander Nekrassov, political scientist.

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 22, 2018 4:10 PM

    Published on 17 Jul 2016 This documentary caused an uproar in Russia when it appeared in April of 2016. This film was made by the main Russian government news broadcasting company, Rossiya 1. It alleges that Bill Browder, the legendary American hedge fund manager who from 1995 – 2005 was the largest foreign investor in Russia, controlling billions of $ and a significant share of Russia’s leading companies, was in fact a CIA front. At one point his funds owned 7% of Gazprom, using what the film argues were illegal schemes to acquire shares The film argues that Browder’s whole… Read more »

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 22, 2018 4:28 PM
    Reply to  vierotchka

    Maybe not – I am not able to find the actual documentary online.
    Here is an article by the late Robert Parry:
    A Blacklisted Film and the New Cold War
    Special Report: As Congress still swoons over the anti-Kremlin Magnitsky narrative, Western political and media leaders refuse to let their people view a documentary that debunks the fable, reports Robert Parry.
    By Robert Parry (Updated Aug. 4 with more on Magnitsky not a lawyer.)
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/02/a-blacklisted-film-and-the-new-cold-war/

    Toby
    Toby
    May 23, 2018 3:18 PM
    Reply to  vierotchka

    Thank you for this!

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 24, 2018 9:46 AM
    Reply to  vierotchka

    Browder is infamous, not ‘legendary’.

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 22, 2018 3:59 PM

    Published on 21 May 2018
    With the media being focused on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s royal wedding, the story that Sergei Skripal was released from hospital was somehow lost in amongst the stories of the bride and groom. Former army officer and Scotland Yard detective Charles Shoebridge talks about the release with George Galloway.

    John Marks
    John Marks
    May 22, 2018 5:02 PM
    Reply to  vierotchka

    With guys like George Galloway and Charles Shoebridge, there is hope for us yet.
    This story is bigger in the UK than Watergate for the US.
    It’s just that, nowadays, the press is ‘owned’.

    MichaelK
    MichaelK
    May 22, 2018 9:29 AM

    It’s still… odd, actually disturbing, even given all ones misgivings about the state-corporate media in the UK; that there’s so little interest from journalists in doing a bit of investigating about this strange affair in Salisbury. What about that copper that appeared out of the blue, became a hero, and then suddenly vanished seemingly without trace? Who was he really and where is he now? This could also apply to the Skripals themselves of course. How does one get so many journalists, in what’s nominally a free and democratic state, to agree not to follow a story like this and… Read more »

    John Marks
    John Marks
    May 22, 2018 3:35 PM
    Reply to  MichaelK

    It’s McCarthyism II.
    Any journalist who questions the narrative is dismissed as a conspiracy theorist. In fact, in McCarthyism II, “conspiracy theorist” is the new “Red”.
    As Einstein wrote of McCarthyism I: “Unless the intellectuals of this country are prepared to unite and risk their livelihoods in non-cooperation with this tyranny, they deserve nothing better than the slavery intended for them.”

    MICHAEL LEIGH
    MICHAEL LEIGH
    May 21, 2018 8:16 PM

    But I do think as I am sure the late Mr S Holmes would have and considered the USA connection, for the ” British spy the Col Serge Skripal ” was chosen by the USA as a prisoner exchange with the Russian Government, in exchange for the alleged Russian spies in the USA ? And the failure for anyone to explain the how and why, of Mr S Skripal receiving UK citizenship rather than USA hospitality as originally envisaged by the USA when requesting his exchange to the USA? So I think the CIA are behind this whole mystery, as… Read more »

    John Marks
    John Marks
    May 22, 2018 4:47 PM
    Reply to  MICHAEL LEIGH

    And, as a pensioner, Skripal seems to have afforded a new BMW and a nice suburban house on his presumably meagre pension.
    Oh and he could afford to eat out well.
    Browder’s revenge was to direct the Clinton Mob to Orbis.

    Paul X
    Paul X
    May 22, 2018 5:26 PM
    Reply to  John Marks

    But he would have been very well paid by the British government for revea,I got lists of spies and undercover agents. You get a head bonus for prime treachery. Presumably banked in the UK.

    tutisicecream
    tutisicecream
    May 21, 2018 2:38 PM

    Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason. Epigram by John Harrington And prosper they have. The real “nerve” agents in the Skripal affair are Steele and Miller. Novichok is just a ruse. Steele and Miller those we are not allowed to talk about. And Orbis the profiteering intelligence business for pensioned off spooks and treasonous double agents, intent on earning a crust in the only way they know how -bribery, blackmail and corruption. With a contract or two thrown in when things have to be cleaned up. What we have observed,… Read more »

    Harry Law
    Harry Law
    May 21, 2018 1:58 PM

    “Scientists Revise understanding of Novichok after it fails to produce expected lethal effects.”
    However, after studying the movements of the Skripals after being poisoned, we have now revised our understanding, and we now believe that one of its primary effects is to generate in its victims a strong desire to go out for a beer followed by a pizza…” https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-20/scientists-revise-understanding-novichok-after-it-fails-produce-expected-lethal

    Harry Law
    Harry Law
    May 21, 2018 2:10 PM
    Reply to  Harry Law

    One other effect novichok is causing the most excitement is the revelation that it can apparently render its victims invisible: “To be frank, this has created a huge buzz,” said the source. “I mean, the Skripals apparently came into contact with Novichok over two months ago, as did Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey. And yet since then nothing has been seen of any of them. It’s almost as if they’ve vanished into thin air, a bit like Bilbo Baggins at his 111th birthday party when he slips the Ring of Power on.” And it’s not just the scientific community that is… Read more »

    John Marks
    John Marks
    May 21, 2018 11:52 AM

    First on the scene was a female doctor, apparently a registrar, who gave Skripal CPR for 30 mins. and yet was not contaminated!
    It shouldn’t be difficult to look up the list of junior medical staff at Salisbury and to establish her identity and request an interview.
    We might find yet another person vanished into the British gulag.
    Also, has no-one heard of, nor traced nor found DS Bailey? Nor his family? Nor his neighbours where he lived? Nor his work colleagues?
    Or has the population of the Outer Hebrides suddenly risen?

    Kathy
    Kathy
    May 20, 2018 10:06 PM

    As bench marks go its another state land mark. How many people are going to continue to dig for truth. The majority have become so down trodden by austerity. They can barely keep their own narratives. The fact that any of this story could have happened and two people considered to be there but not there like Schrodingers cat is incredible really. As Sherlock said. There is nothing more deceptive as the obvious facts. He also stated this. “Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which… Read more »

    Edwige
    Edwige
    May 20, 2018 6:24 PM

    I’d guess that as a masonic creation, Holmes might notice the supposed ages of the Skripals as 33 and 66 and raise an eyebrow.

    jazthings656986293
    jazthings656986293
    May 21, 2018 5:15 AM
    Reply to  Edwige

    i loved how he is the russian spy sergei skripal as if he’d never become an english agent in the meantime!

    MICHAEL LEIGH
    MICHAEL LEIGH
    May 22, 2018 12:24 AM

    I assume during his trial for espionage against Russia, the Russian Court judgment would have described his adjudicated actions ” on behalf of the ” UK and the five eyes ” as that of a ” traitor or worse ” !
    Although his six years imprisonment out of a ten year prison sentence, assumes his mitigation plea, may well have included a mitigation plea of sentence for latter services rendered to the Russian Federation State?

    Tony M
    Tony M
    May 20, 2018 6:06 PM

    I’m playing Holmes/Watson cliche bingo with this thread, so far no-one has a full-house or come even close.

    balkydj
    balkydj
    May 20, 2018 6:23 PM
    Reply to  Tony M

    Dat’s maybe coz’ of the Royal Flush : Tony Mark-les’Mots ..

    Harry Law
    Harry Law
    May 21, 2018 8:04 AM
    Reply to  Tony M

    Nanny brings in the tea, Holmes, “Is it poison Nanny?” No it is a nerve agent called Novichok. You can send my prize to the Off Guardian appreciation society.

    Harry Law
    Harry Law
    May 21, 2018 8:18 AM
    Reply to  Harry Law

    “Poisoned” Robert Downey Jr ‘Sherlock Holmes’ 2009. Not a patch on Basil Rathbone.

    John Marks
    John Marks
    May 21, 2018 12:21 PM
    Reply to  Tony M

    Christopher Steele’s ‘dodgy dossier’, bought by the Clinton Mob, was to be used by Mueller and the CIA to control Trump.
    The dossier was leaked and published on 10/1/2017.
    Why do you think Sir Robert Hannigan, head of MI6 and at the height of his career, resigned with just six hours’ notice on 23/1/2017?

    Paul Barbara
    Paul Barbara
    May 20, 2018 4:43 PM

    Search ‘Let Yulia Skripal speak!’ and sign petition: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Let+Yulia+Skripal+speak!&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB789GB789&oq=Let+Yulia+Skripal+speak!&aqs=chrome..69i57.1495j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    John Marks
    John Marks
    May 21, 2018 12:07 PM
    Reply to  Paul Barbara

    Submit a wit for habeas corpus!

    reinertorheit
    reinertorheit
    May 20, 2018 1:42 PM

    I fear Sherlock is simply the wrong detective for the case.
    In the final scene of my perfect version, we see Boris Johnson being led away by the police, saying:
    “Yes, and I’ve have gotten away with it, too – if it hadn’t been for these damn kids and their dog!”comment image&pos=5&rpt=simage

    Jen
    Jen
    May 21, 2018 1:21 AM
    Reply to  reinertorheit

    Even Enid Blyton’s primary school-aged kids the Secret Seven and their dog could have been more appropriate detectives.

    Alan
    Alan
    May 20, 2018 12:52 PM

    This is more a case for Mystery Inc, I’m inclined to think old man Wickles is connected somehow.

    Howard MARKS
    Howard MARKS
    May 20, 2018 11:14 AM

    Bottom line when actual Military Grade Nerve Agents were used at Halabja by Saddam’s Chemical Ali substances supplied by Porton Down and US lab in Maryland the victims were unable to go out to an Italian restaurant, prior to dying.
    Another comment page with NO f-ing edit mode…come on !!

    tutisicecream
    tutisicecream
    May 20, 2018 10:58 AM

    The singularly remarkable episode of Sergey Skripal and his visiting daughter. In the strange case of the Door nob, the car ventilation or the porridge? Can it be Skripal that you survived the fish dish at Zizzi’s? That Zizzi’s [whodunit] Menu in full… [Now under new surveillance and management] Roast Beef ala BSE with British HP Sauce Maltings cocktail with MI6 fortune cookie Original BREXIT “Busted Bangers”, with a [non-Russian] Boris Sauce Little Englander “Empire” Trifle, finished off with custard on face Teresa’s Mayday, Mayday “It’s only Boris!” Etonian Mess Putin’s “Cool as Ice” Pavlova Porton Down Novi “Novichok” Mousse… Read more »

    Jen
    Jen
    May 21, 2018 1:23 AM
    Reply to  tutisicecream

    Patrons who bring their pets will be advised that restaurant policy is to deprive the animals of water while tied up.

    johnplatinumgoss
    johnplatinumgoss
    May 20, 2018 7:20 AM

    Please find the petition on Change to “Let Yulia Skripal Speak” then do with it what you seem fitting. Thanks.

    Stuart Blair
    Stuart Blair
    May 20, 2018 4:25 PM

    Signed and Shared.
    Sincerely,
    Goatboy

    John Marks
    John Marks
    May 21, 2018 9:40 AM

    Much more efficient, more powerful and unstoppable is to issue a writ of habeas corpus.

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 20, 2018 6:27 AM

    Excellent!

    Fair dinkum
    Fair dinkum
    May 20, 2018 5:58 AM

    Pretty sure the Skripals were sitting in one of the rear pews at THE Wedding.
    As befits those who can rise from the dead.

    Robbobbobin
    Robbobbobin
    May 21, 2018 12:35 AM
    Reply to  Fair dinkum

    I suspect you are right. I stumbled on The Royal Wedding by unfortunate accident – on Al Jazeera, of all places, where it was flagged as a “Live Event” – and during the 30 or 40 seconds I stayed with it there is no doubt that Harry, at or near the altar, looked like he’d seen a ghost (I mean that seriously, not jokingly – distraught and cornered with coal holes where his eyes should have been would about cover it). Maybe it was sighting the Skripals or maybe it was just clapping his empty sockets on a surreptitious glimpse… Read more »

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 21, 2018 1:10 AM
    Reply to  Robbobbobin

    That is purely your own rather skewed interpretation.

    vexarb
    vexarb
    May 20, 2018 5:12 AM

    I doubt whether Holmes would have wasted any tobacco over this obvious misuse of State power (the Secret Police kidnapping private citizens, and D-notices served on the public) in a clumsy attempt to cover up the May regime’s botched False Flag in England preparatory to the this supremely incompetent regime’s participation in an equally botched False Flag by FUKZUSA in Syria. A no-pipe case.

    USAma Bin Laden
    USAma Bin Laden
    May 20, 2018 3:52 AM

    The entire Skripal affair is a combination of Sherlock Holmes, James Bond, with a strong element of Monty Python and Benny Hill.
    Either that, or it’s an episode from a hackneyed Anglo-American spy drama titled Strike Back, characterized by improbable scripts and stilted acting (ahem, Theresa May).
    These days, it’s hard to tell what is more ludicrous–the plots of TV shows or the propaganda offered by our “democratically-elected representatives.”

    monostrovich
    monostrovich
    May 20, 2018 7:20 AM

    it’s hard to tell what is more ludicrous — the plots of TV shows or the propaganda
    They’re equally ludicrous, because they emanate from the same source.
    The function of the overtly fictional TV plots is to prepare the cultural environment for the later acceptance of the covertly, but still obviously, fictional propaganda. Many people can’t even tell the difference, so thoroughly has their perceived reality been constructed by decades of mass-media brainwashing.

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 19, 2018 11:39 PM

    I saw the Russian Ambassador to the UK trying calmly to explain to some presstitute thug that Russian access to the Skripals was legally obligatory under a UK-Russian treaty and customary International Law. That MI6 says that the Skripals don’t want to see any Russians is irrelevant. I think it was four times he told the thug, who just kept screeching that they didn’t want to see any Russians. Every day, every few minutes, one sees over and over again just what psychopathic thugs it is who run the Western mad-house. I see that the Fraudian sewer and its Zionist… Read more »

    BigB
    BigB
    May 20, 2018 12:02 AM

    MM: you must have considered it as a mass psychological ploy? There seems to be a cult of personality growing around him. Or is it limited to my peer group who won’t here a bad word about him?

    monostrovich
    monostrovich
    May 20, 2018 7:26 AM
    Reply to  BigB

    If you can get the leader of the personality cult to grovel in fear, then the obvious response for the followers is that they should do the same. If the Glorious Leader can’t stand up against the Masters of the Universe, then what chance do mere peons have?

    candideschmyles
    candideschmyles
    May 20, 2018 9:57 AM
    Reply to  BigB

    As he sticks to the facts and pulls no punches in his defence of objective reality he will be applauded and respected. Personality cult is unfair, he too is a victim of circumstance and never for a moment planned or wanted to find himself in this situation.

    BigB
    BigB
    May 20, 2018 3:47 PM

    Facts? Of the Skripal surreality; of Navalny’s oppression; of the state repression of gays and the LGBT (sic) in Russia; of the beatings of students in Russia; of fundraising for the White Helmets; of antisemitism? What objective facts?
    Forgive me, Candide, but there are at least two different versions of the same person… and defender of objective reality ain’t one of them.

    candideschmyles
    candideschmyles
    May 20, 2018 4:09 PM
    Reply to  BigB

    I was talking about Yakovenko… who do you think I was talking about?

    Big B
    Big B
    May 20, 2018 5:38 PM

    I apologise: I didn’t follow the sense of the comments properly.

    jazthings656986293
    jazthings656986293
    May 21, 2018 5:51 AM

    you is yakovenko?

    Tony M
    Tony M
    May 20, 2018 5:53 PM
    Reply to  BigB

    Homosexual relations between consenting adults in Russia is neither illegal nor subject to persecution by the state. Homophobia and misunderstanding, misrepresentation and in some places persecution is however rampant the world over. Russia implements something similar to the ban on the teaching of its equivalence with heterosexual relationships or its encouragement in schools, similar to the legislation here in the UK until the late 1990s, not something I agree with fully but I do feel young minds are not quite mature enough to appreciate the issue, or indeed to know their own minds until well past school age and it… Read more »

    Tony M
    Tony M
    May 20, 2018 6:03 PM
    Reply to  Tony M

    But I do think sexual attraction is a binary affair – one or the other – if not infact the case then true bi-sexuality must be very and extremely rare, far rarer than the number who identify as bi-sexual, many of whom might wish to both have their cake and eat it, suggest.

    Paul X
    Paul X
    May 20, 2018 8:52 PM
    Reply to  Tony M

    There is nothing wrong about people wanting their cake and eating it. It’s why they baked it.

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 21, 2018 8:56 AM
    Reply to  Tony M

    Do you remember how the stinking hypocrites of the West used Cuban homophobia to attack the country? Unfortunately, the Cubans followed the logic of their revolution and put Latin machismo behind them, and ceased their intolerant ways. The use of accusations of homophobia is a typically dirty and hypocritical tactic used by Western regimes, that only a generation or so ago harassed, or worse, their own gay citizens, to spread social hatred and tension in target states. As ever much lying, hypocrisy and all-round foulness accompanies the efforts.

    candideschmyles
    candideschmyles
    May 21, 2018 10:01 AM
    Reply to  Tony M

    The 15 yr old daughter of a friend has just announced she is no longer a girl, and not a boy either. And as she now wants to be known as Billy I presume she is now self identifying as a goat. Her mother is entirely ‘supportive’. I have no issue at all with any two consenting people forming any kind of relationship they want together. However this engineered craze of self obsessed nonsense being fed to kids is simply damaging to the psychological health of nascent minds. It is most attractive to those individuals who have a rebelious nature… Read more »

    Toby
    Toby
    May 21, 2018 10:13 AM

    I’m a father of two girls, one 20, the other 16. I’m very aware of how susceptible both are to the confusing swirl of information out there about identity, and how consumerised the whole affair is. Everything, including identity itself, has become a throw-away item of conspicuous consumption. Absent the liminal period so important to the formation of a robust sense of self, absent a community that includes different environments for semi-dangerous play with peers of widely different ages (though still young), children and teenagers are now confronted with a less-than-paper-thin reality that cannot mean anything at all except rapidly… Read more »

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 20, 2018 11:30 PM
    Reply to  BigB

    That’s how he is proving so useful in his groveling to the Zionazi lynch-mob, and his treachery to old allies like Wadsworth et al. It shews the Zionists to be insuperable, able to pick, choose and destroy ANYONE that Yahweh tells them to. And when, as I expect, first Livingstone is butchered, then Corbyn goes full Sabbat Goy and denounces BDS, Hamas and the Palestinians as ‘obstacles to peace’ and, naturally, ‘antisemites’, the Zionists will be triumphant. I always try to imagine the most morally repugnant outcome, and, blow me down, it usually comes to pass.

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 23, 2018 8:43 AM
    Reply to  BigB

    BB, I regard ‘reality’ as a mass psychological ploy.

    markrussell20085017
    markrussell20085017
    May 19, 2018 11:22 PM

    “It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”
    Sherlock Holmes

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 19, 2018 11:40 PM

    But what if ‘twisting facts’ is what you are well-paid to do?

    balkydj
    balkydj
    May 20, 2018 6:37 PM

    Ask Alistair Campbell & Tony Blair..
    Learn to ‘Curveball’, it suckers hookers 😉

    Estaugh
    Estaugh
    May 19, 2018 11:11 PM

    It is well worth communicating the methods used by the medics to cure the Skripals of there ‘intoxication’

    Francis Lee
    Francis Lee
    May 19, 2018 10:15 PM

    ”What Would Sherlock Holmes Have Made of the Government’s Explanation of the Case of Sergei and Yulia Skripal?”
    Elementary my Dear Watson: Second-rate, ham-fisted, bullshit from start to finish!

    reinertorheit
    reinertorheit
    May 19, 2018 9:27 PM

    What do you mean, ‘Don’t Touch The Door-Knob?’comment image?w=960

    Big B
    Big B
    May 19, 2018 9:20 PM

    Facts are not sacred: they are malleable and avoidable – subject to the selectivity and ‘not-seeing’ of ideological identity formation. I’m not talking about the media or government propaganda: I’m talking about the liberal and progressive left who have created their own alternative factual response to the utter transparency of the completely synthetic nature of the Skripal saga. The Labour party were utterly complicit in endorsing the absurd unreality of this assault on perception. In fact, they used it to create their own political capital to push their Russian sanctions propaganda, and push for the re-investigation of 14 other ‘similar’… Read more »

    Francis Lee
    Francis Lee
    May 19, 2018 10:36 PM
    Reply to  Big B

    British governments – Labour or Conservative – have been complicit in politically motivated murders quite close to home and in the not too distant past, the most notorious of which was the Pat Finucane affair which took place during ‘The Troubles” in northern Ireland which began in 1969. Patrick Finucane (21 March 1949 – 12 February 1989) commonly known as Pat Finucane, worked with the nationalist community who in the capacity of an Irish human rights lawyer. He was assassinated by loyalist paramilitaries acting in collusion with the British government intelligence service MI5, being shot fourteen times as he sat… Read more »

    BigB
    BigB
    May 19, 2018 11:54 PM
    Reply to  Francis Lee

    I blame Thatcher for the death of Pat Finucane, and Hilda Murrel, I always will …despite the absence of evidence. That was an attrocity that stood out even when attrocity was being normalised by the state (if it can ever be ‘normal’ to maim and murder? Well, it’s normal for states). In the Skripal surreality – no one died. Yet we witnessed a Theatre of State Absurdity as the political class ALL pretended they did. There were no exceptions, despite the mythos that has prevailed. You have to question the perceptive sanity of those who participated …but you also have… Read more »

    balkydj
    balkydj
    May 20, 2018 7:33 PM
    Reply to  BigB

    Perverse .. !
    jimmy saville O.B.E.
    GARY HOY > UNSUNG HERO > (never heard !? )
    MI5/6 Pimps & politicians’ handlers .. Secret Services ? !
    Pathetic Immature Malevolant Prostituted Sadistic Scum.
    You really have to be the lowest of the LOWEST scum on Earth to work for British Military (P.I.M.P.S.iFive) intelligence services and exceedingly ignorant & dumb to boot ..
    Void of Principle & any Morals.
    A right Royal sad sickening bunch.
    Evil Incarnate !

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 19, 2018 11:54 PM
    Reply to  Big B

    Corbyn, I believe it is now plain, is one or other of two things. Either a long-term fraud, a sort of Bernie Sanders whose job it is to destroy resistance to elite rule by leading it into the desert, where he abandons his flock to the tender mercies of resurgent Blairism, hopefully utterly demoralising a generation of UK versions of the Hopey Dopeys cynically and calculatingly betrayed by Obama. Obama’s treachery led to massive abstentions that helped create Trump, and in the UK they would deliver a decade of May-hem. Or he is just a coward, frightened to resist the… Read more »

    BigB
    BigB
    May 20, 2018 12:49 AM

    I disagree: I think he is being prepared for titular power… where power replaces the empty place of power. It is a quaint notion that we elect a bunch of inbreds and ingrates to run the country? We’re ceding defence sovereignty to an EU we are not leaving, so we ceded democratic sovereignty as well. The military answer to NATO and the Anglo-French command: so we do not have sovereignty even if we do leave. The BoE colludes with the other G7 central banks to set interest rates: so we ceded financial sovereignty. The blood money capital flows in and… Read more »

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 20, 2018 9:38 AM
    Reply to  BigB

    I’ve just been watching two of the local ABC presstitutes GROVELING to a Zionist liar re. the latest Gaza massacre. The lies, the hypocrisy, the arrogance were as foetid as ever, but the fakestream scum dared not raise a single objection. Then they moved on to ‘Russian collusion’, proven of course, then a tour de farce of sycophancy kissing the knobbly backside of that flower of New York society, Masha Gessen. My God, we are so deserving of what is coming.

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 20, 2018 9:43 AM

    PS, The fatter of the two presstitutes just spoke of torturer Gina Haspel’s ‘storied career’ in the CIA. ‘Our moral values’ at their finest.

    Tony M
    Tony M
    May 20, 2018 1:19 AM

    Surely free trips to Stolen-Land for the LFI/CFI dis-honourable members constitute bribery, whether they may or may not declare these all expenses-paid full-board luxury binges or not? This practice should be stamped-out, stamped on, they’re certainly not ‘furthering understanding’ of anything but making themselves a fair target for detestation. Corbyn and the Labour membership have to ditch the lot of them, this degree of infiltration and penetration is the greatest threat he faces, and if he emerges victorious then the Tories will be east meat in comparision, these particular friends of rather fiends are not the type to keep close,… Read more »

    candideschmyles
    candideschmyles
    May 20, 2018 11:17 AM
    Reply to  Tony M

    As a Scot myself, one who has cast a single ballot in a lifetime supporting our succession, I too have always seen the SNP as a vehicle not a destination. A vehicle to a destined nation perhaps. However that dream, if we view the overwhelming grassroots support as real as it was, has been forgotten and is only used in the political discourse to maintain the larger charade of the UK Brexit without an exit. You and I, like all Scots were fed a deception. And if alleged voting anomalies, backed up by statistical improbabilities in final figures, are to… Read more »

    Tony M
    Tony M
    May 20, 2018 2:09 PM

    Sorry if this is the wrong page/topic for this but Mulga Mumblebrain started it, his/her comment on Corbyn should really have been on the more appropriate LFI thread. I don’t think you’re a genuine supporter of independence, your sorry attack on Salmond the acid-test, his whole heart and soul was in indepndence and he is a broken-hearted and broken man that it was thwarted by UK government and UK unionist party treachery and came so close despite these factors and the vileness of the entire media campaign which lied and lied and thoroughly and lastingly discredited itself, dispersed all illusions… Read more »

    Tony M
    Tony M
    May 20, 2018 2:52 PM

    Oh I don’t see or think likely the SNP will fade away too rapidly after independence, but will no longer quite obviously be present at Westminster, which is de facto and after independence the de jure English parliament, in truth it has never been at any time anything other than that. There are no such things as Scottish Labour, Tory or LibDem Parties, these are English-domiciled organisations, corporations, unwelcome, unwanted in Scotland –but that the SNP will split the bulk becoming socialist/redistributive autarkists for the majority and forming a majority and a pro-corporate and wealthy few favouring minority party but… Read more »

    candideschmyles
    candideschmyles
    May 20, 2018 4:18 PM
    Reply to  Tony M

    I have no wish to debate you on this here as it is both way off topic and you appear to have no idea what the EU actually is.

    Tony M
    Tony M
    May 20, 2018 5:23 PM

    “you appear to have no idea what the EU actually is.” Do tell oh wise one. I’m genuinely keen to know, we all have our imaginary EU quite at odds with whatever the reality might be. In the Scottish context, it was purely a means to recognition of our distinct national identity. Is it the happy-clappy all in it together myth, a benign social movement and trading bloc we all hoped it would be, or a power-grab by corporatists, protectionist of industrial combines and a one-stop shop for corporate lobbyists, a supranational monster out of its cage, operating well beyond… Read more »

    candideschmyles
    candideschmyles
    May 21, 2018 2:01 PM
    Reply to  Tony M

    Sorry if I offended you. You last option is closest to the reality IMHO.

    Robbobbobin
    Robbobbobin
    May 21, 2018 1:04 AM
    Reply to  Tony M

    “[Corbyn]’s at heart a British Nationalist however, with centralising tendencies…”
    I don’t think he’s ever denied being a committed trades unionist. Quite the contrary, in fact. Maybe you weren’t listening?

    Tony M
    Tony M
    May 21, 2018 11:19 AM
    Reply to  Robbobbobin

    I never mentioned unions at all, trade unions that is, so don’t get your point at all or you’re being deliberately obtuse. By British Nationalist I do mean though Unionist with a capital U. The sort of Unionist found in DUP for example. But as unions have inexplicably come up, it’s as well to say I have the lowest possible opinion of them, scum many of them are, from bottom shop-steward-level to however high they can go, but not the idea of workers’ rights which I hold dear, but which are quite alien to most trades unions and their hierarchy.… Read more »

    Tony M
    Tony M
    May 21, 2018 11:46 AM
    Reply to  Robbobbobin

    No, I still don’t get how you went from British Nationalist, to ‘committed trades unionist’, or it’s went completely over my head. Care to explain Robbobbobin you’re not making any sense or reading things which simply aren’t there, or words in your world have quite different meanings from that which is generally understood.

    monostrovich
    monostrovich
    May 20, 2018 7:42 AM

    the deranged thugs of the Zionist lynch-mobs

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 20, 2018 9:40 AM
    Reply to  monostrovich

    The Zionists have murdered scores of Palestinian, Lebanese and other Arab leaders, often with their families and neighbours, over the decades, from Arafat down. It’s a mitzvah.

    Toby
    Toby
    May 20, 2018 7:39 PM
    Reply to  Big B

    I think you’ve nailed the crux of the matter here, BigB: how are we responsible for our perception of reality? To what degree should we be held liable for NOT treating all purveyors of truth with intelligent but open-minded scepticism? My own position differs somewhat from that suggested by the Chesterton quote above; namely, we should (in my view) only be certain about very little, because regardless of the facts that should rightly be established and held sacred from case to case, there is always the art of how to respond to them. And that’s where politics enters, with all… Read more »

    Big B
    Big B
    May 20, 2018 9:12 PM
    Reply to  Toby

    Toby: we need to wise up before we rise up! Otherwise we will start the oppressive and repressive cycle all over again. Understanding the psycho-spiritual nature of perception is not a field of study the West has undertaken. What we are really talking about is ‘apperception’ – how we categorise and contextualise experience. Western science and philosophy have no way of understanding apperception because we have a closed cognitive semiotic with no external, or transcendental referent. If you like, Western thought has gone as far as it can go, and is on a closed-loop recursion back into itself. We are… Read more »

    Toby
    Toby
    May 21, 2018 7:34 AM
    Reply to  Big B

    I see it the same way (and thanks for the link!). I think (know, actually) the nature of reality is consciousness, which means it is fundamentally subjective. The objective flavour or experience ‘part’ of reality is embedded in the subjective and has to do with consensus. But I’m not going to go into huge detail here except to suggest you might well find Tom Campbell’s work fascinating. He has a ton of videos on YouTube and just started a kickstarter campaign to raise funds for a set of new double-slit experiments designed to demonstrate that reality is Yogacara. The other… Read more »

    BigB
    BigB
    May 21, 2018 8:38 AM
    Reply to  Toby

    I hadn’t, but I will. The nascent cross-fertilisation of ‘new’ science, structuralism, post-structuralism, constructivism, semiotics, etc is a huge area of interest for me. I’d like to translate Buddhism, Yogacara, and Abhidharma into a politics and praxis of evolution and liberation ecology. Personally, I can’t believe it’s not the dominant culture, but that is the power of the cultural hegemony of misperception!

    Toby
    Toby
    May 21, 2018 9:03 AM
    Reply to  BigB

    In my MA dissertation in translation theory, the focal point was meaning generation and context/subjectivity, so I guess we have a shared interest there! I think We, The People are haltingly and shapelessly conducting the translation you say you want to undertake, so you are doing so already. Surely it’s how you live? Your efforts here feel that way to me, anyway. It’s a challenging, exciting and vital undertaking but cannot control its outcomes. I don’t think there’s such a thing as an end goal, so it’s all about staying true, flexibly, to process as sustained by a tiny number… Read more »

    BigB
    BigB
    May 21, 2018 10:52 AM
    Reply to  Toby

    I say “I” because there is no referent that means “not I”! Language structure, “logocentrism”, and heirarchical binaries are the “text” of oppression. The Buddhist path is marga that contains “right action”, “right livelihood” …so I try to be the change I want: but I don’t live in a cave are I have tons of room for improvement… to which I commit the “right intention.” Yogacara posits two basic epistomologies: one of involution and one of evolution …you don’t have to be Sherlock to see which we need to follow!

    Toby
    Toby
    May 21, 2018 11:13 AM
    Reply to  BigB

    Each teaching uses different metaphors, but all tend to reflect the Golden Rule, it seems to me. I see right intention and right livelihood as twinned praxis-based concepts that emerge from “As you do unto Other, so you do unto Self”. Each of us stumbles upon one set of metaphors or another, and stays with the one that resonates most deeply. But the path is the path. For example, Tom Campbell’s metaphors are drawn from physics: i.e., fear is the equivalent of entropic states of consciousness, love of negatively entropic states of consciousness, the “veil of illusion” becomes “virtual reality”.… Read more »

    Tony M
    Tony M
    May 19, 2018 8:51 PM

    My speculations on this matter on Craig Murray’s blog (that might have contributed to my being moderated thereafter and/or banned) ran along the lines of making enquiries if possible into the daughters return travel arrangements, that far from her bringing something into this country she might have been taking something out, a courier, the ‘something’ coming from Porton-Down, returning to Russia perhaps via Jordan or Turkey, or another ‘country’ in the area neighbouring Syria, and may have been temporarily put out of action to prevent this happening. It was followed of course by the rather poor rushed and botched attempted… Read more »

    Harry Law
    Harry Law
    May 19, 2018 8:14 PM

    Enforced Disappearances which is what has happened to the Skripals and incommunicado are usually the preserve of some former South American dictatorships, here is the definition of enforced disappearance as defined by the International Convention for the protection of all persons from enforced disappearance [UN Doc E/CN.4/2005/WG.22/WP.1/Rev.4[23 September 2005 Article 2. “…the arrest, detention, abduction or any other form of deprivation of liberty committed by agents of the state or by persons or groups acting with the authorization, support or acquiescence of the state, followed by a refusal to acknowledge the deprivation of liberty or by concealment of the fate… Read more »

    MichaelK
    MichaelK
    May 19, 2018 7:48 PM

    Harding, occupying the position he does, at the heart of ‘liberal’ opinion within our media… is a disaster. He’s little more than a journalistic facade for pr from the UK security services who feed him information to ‘sex up’ his scribblings. When the liberal left is so ‘compromised’ and manipulated and ‘dumbed down’ there’s not much hope. Harding is gonna be around for… years because he’s so useful to the state and its’ propaganda machine. He asks no relevant questions and doesn’t even have the capacity to ask them. I think, basically, he’s really rather stupid. The Skripal Affair is… Read more »

    Paul X
    Paul X
    May 19, 2018 8:18 PM
    Reply to  MichaelK

    It does sound as if there are some very tight controls on even speculating about events in Salisbury let alone investigating or even reporting on it. Where are the nurses, doctors, hospital staff that would normally preoccupy the media in a case like this? Or the witnesses, shoppers, diners and staff at the restaurant and pub and first responders? Not a peep! It is like living in any authoritarian country where “everybody knows” but it’s not allowed to be discussed publicly. It must be a good law, whatever it’s called, because it’s 99% successful – and we aren’t even allowed… Read more »

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 19, 2018 11:59 PM
    Reply to  Paul X

    Therese May as Frances Kafka? But, what the hell-it’s the ‘Free World’, baby!!!

    P.E. Ace
    P.E. Ace
    May 19, 2018 8:28 PM
    Reply to  MichaelK

    Journalists, commentators and politicians who play along like Harding are not stupid. They are ruthlessly pursuing their own ambitions. For a journalist like Harding, his reporting will ensure him -appearances on tv for which he gets paid, -moderating stints at security seminars sponsored by the mic or sponsored by hawkish thinktanks sponsored by the mic, -fellowships or fulltime jobs at hawkish thinktanks or in defense industry, -and workplacements and jobs for their kids. Unless in the Skripal case the fentanyl gets reported or in Trump’s case the Halper angle, it is likely that the endless money flowing to defense, weapon… Read more »

    reinertorheit
    reinertorheit
    May 20, 2018 2:50 PM
    Reply to  MichaelK

    I was surprised not to see Harding among the Russophobic crew in today’s Observer, who are found rubbishing Russia’s organisation and credentials for the Football world cup
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/20/russia-uncovered-world-cup-special-report-racism-pussy-riot
    The authors of this screed of neoconservative crapola include no-one with any knowledge of football at all. There are, however, a singer from the made-up no-use pop group Pussy Riot, and neocon shitwipe supreme, Mark Galotti – who comes from a country where they don’t even play football at all.

    Robbobbobin
    Robbobbobin
    May 21, 2018 1:54 AM
    Reply to  reinertorheit

    There has been a lot of discussion in our house about an appropriate name for a new cat. In the last few weeks many, such as “Fang” and “Feral”, have come only to come unstuck. But certainty settled last night when I went into the kitchen to prepare his dinner and lost track of that urgent, much meouwed-for task, lapsing into washing some mugs and staring out of the window while he mooched around waiting for service. My left ankle now bears witness to the sealing of our definitive decision. “Suárez” it is.

    reinertorheit
    reinertorheit
    May 21, 2018 3:47 PM
    Reply to  Robbobbobin

    Jolly good.

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 21, 2018 11:47 PM
    Reply to  reinertorheit

    The Poxxy Rot slag could advise the Fraudianistas on the political significance of shoving a frozen chook up your privates and performing heterosexual anal sex in a museum, and other acts of ‘art’ and ‘freedom’. Desecrating churches and painting penises on bridges and other signifiers of a yearning for proper ‘Western Moral Values’ can come later, for more advanced students.

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 20, 2018 11:48 PM
    Reply to  MichaelK

    The Fraudian returned to the fray today with a lengthy hate spew directed at Russia. They even re-cycled one of the Poxxy Rot slags to contribute some trademark faecal effluent, reminiscent of some of their more tasteful ‘art insertions’. We are witnessing an evil Western over-class descending right into the pit of Hell, deranged with hatred, inflamed by Groupthink driven by the paranoid dread that they might be judged ‘unreliable’ and their cushy lifestyle might end if they are ever assessed as less than properly rabid in their fulminations. Vicious oligarchies, or more properly kakistocracies, like this, are vastly more… Read more »

    Paul X
    Paul X
    May 19, 2018 7:29 PM

    It’s a great question – and one that’s likely to be around for some decades. I imagine Sherlock would soon be wandering the moors – and probably end up at Porton Down. A nerve agent factory 6 miles from the scene of the crime would draw his attention. “It’s a remarkable coincidence” he would tell Watson and while he knows coincidences do happen I imagine he’d want to see the Occurences log and comings and goings at the base on the day itself. He’d soon be arrested and on release publish his shortest book ever “The Case That Never was”.

    FlyBy Night
    FlyBy Night
    May 19, 2018 7:08 PM

    Skripals and The World Cup 2018 A certain Mr Camiknickers wanted to try and ruin Russia hosting of the 2018 World Cup. His motive being spite, caused by his abject humiliation at the hands of FIFA during the England 2010 World Cup bid. He can’t get at FIFA but he can spoil things for the winners. The FA used Christopher Steele of Otis Business Intelligence to compile a dossier on the Russian bid accusing them of bribery, but to no avail. Apparently bribery was widespread and the England was just as guilty as other countries, though we were the only… Read more »

    cirsium
    cirsium
    May 19, 2018 10:09 PM
    Reply to  FlyBy Night

    Are you looking for Exercise Toxic Dagger? See http://archive.is/cRUlM

    balkydj
    balkydj
    May 20, 2018 7:54 PM
    Reply to  cirsium

    CNN are already booked, having invested heavily in Crisis-Casting ..
    http://crisiscast.com
    with the White House White Helmets handing out free white coats & formulas in order to self certify all in attendance & anyone watching, for FREE ..

    johnplatinumgoss
    johnplatinumgoss
    May 20, 2018 7:18 AM
    Reply to  FlyBy Night

    I’ve also looked into this pantomime and blogged about it several times. I have also raised a petition on Change to “Let Yulia Skripal Speak”. The petition seems to be working now and has above 1,000 signatures but it has been shadowbanned (something I knew nothing about before this petition) . Please find, sign and share. The truth of this psy-op needs to be told.

    JudyJ
    JudyJ
    May 20, 2018 12:37 PM

    John, good work – petition signed. I was also directed to another petition which I’ve signed as well, entitled “Prosecute Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Gavin Williamson for lying to the British People”. Unfortunately it only has 60 signatures to date although it has been up and running for a month so all the better if we can add more support.

    John Marks
    John Marks
    May 21, 2018 9:36 AM

    Why not get a lawyer to just issue a writ of habeas corpus?

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 22, 2018 3:58 PM
    Reply to  John Marks
    candideschmyles
    candideschmyles
    May 20, 2018 11:36 AM
    Reply to  FlyBy Night

    Sergei transfering wealth back home and his visits to Russian embassy are circumstantial yet compelling evidence he planned to return home. This is a kidnap.

    Paul X
    Paul X
    May 20, 2018 11:55 AM

    It seems to be agreed that he wanted to visit his elderly and sick mother. Early media reports suggested he’d written to Putin asking for permission to return but “hadn’t received a reply”. Maybe Julia, who also has connections to Russian Secret Services, was bringing the answer? If he had secrets he might reveal – especially about his relationship with Christopher Steele? – then there might have been anxiety within the spook community and especially in the CIA/FBI because of the possible impact on their ‘investigation’ into Trump’s ‘collusion’ with Russia. The only information we have came in the first… Read more »

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 20, 2018 11:50 PM

    Perhaps he was a triple agent.

    Paul X
    Paul X
    May 21, 2018 12:03 AM

    Or he might be persuaded to become one in return for seeing his dying mother and maybe retiring in Russia with his family. That must have been the danger for the security services. What had he been involved with in the UK?

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 21, 2018 1:09 AM

    Good point – that occurred to me too.

    Toby
    Toby
    May 20, 2018 7:56 PM
    Reply to  FlyBy Night

    There is much about the Skripal affair that boggles the mind, but I find it extremely hard to seriously entertain the possibility that the whole thing was set up due to sour grapes over a lost World Cup bid. How insane would you have to be to go to such extreme lengths? How much insider organisation and secrecy would be required, at high risk, merely over sour grapes!?
    Sorry, but I don’t get it…

    Paul X
    Paul X
    May 20, 2018 9:06 PM
    Reply to  Toby

    Me neither. It sounds more as if the UK Spooks are under pressure from the CIA; the authorisation Of ex Senior Officer Steele in his anti Trump campaign obviously puts them under strain. If the old spy was involved in the dossier and now wanted to return to Russia to see his dying mother, there was a potential problem. No doubt the American Spooks were aggrieved at the Brits for getting them to this place by giving their spy home in the UK, welcoming his stolen money and using him a# they had done for years. It would become necessary… Read more »

    Toby
    Toby
    May 21, 2018 7:38 AM
    Reply to  Paul X

    It’s the ineptness that has my attention. Is it hubristic arrogance gone mad on its own stench or panic as things slip away from their accustomed control of the narrative? A mixture of both somehow?

    BigB
    BigB
    May 21, 2018 9:11 AM
    Reply to  Toby

    The Commons Foreign Affairs Select Committee is banging on about Russian billionaires laundering money through London (which is set up to launder their money!) That’s the real agenda – the Magnitsky sanctions agenda! To curb flight capital, not coming in (especially when it goes into Tory coffers) …but going out of London. We’re talking $60bn! BTW: the Committee is cross party and contains Ian Austin. I have no proof, but I suspect him of working with or for Bill Browder. There is a Jewish link that Browder (or MI6?) are exploiting. Austin is also a leading racist and anti-Corbyn protagonist.… Read more »

    Toby
    Toby
    May 21, 2018 9:37 AM
    Reply to  BigB

    Follow the money. It’s always the money, that exquisite tool of mass control, that perfect symbiosis of carrot and stick. Which is why it is our understanding of value/wealth and its role in guiding society’s impulses, fears and desires that so sorely needs a radical overhaul. This would generate the different money types you mentioned a few days ago, which cannot come to be prior to said overhaul. But to overhaul our understanding of value/wealth needs much more of that Yogacarin spirit of inquiry, which requires effective communication of said spirit, which requires living it demonstrably. In short, you get… Read more »

    John Marks
    John Marks
    May 21, 2018 11:36 AM
    Reply to  BigB

    Has parliament been allowed to see the film “The Magnitsky Act” yet?
    So far, Browder has prevented the EU parliament from seeing it.

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 22, 2018 4:00 PM
    Reply to  John Marks

    It seems that there is a global ban on that documentary – I haven’t yet found it online anywhere.

    BigB
    BigB
    May 22, 2018 4:38 PM
    Reply to  vierotchka

    This is where I think our elites are irresponsible: as admirable as Nekrasov’s film is, it’s not the only source of information on Browder. Or even Krainer’s equally admirable book.You literally would have to go out of your way not to find the alternative POV. Listening to Browder, especially when he was deposed for testimony, is enough to debunk Browder …he can’t even remember his own lies! There is a much deeper intelligence services play going on, of which Browder is the visible manifestation. God only knows why Labour are pushing his agenda. Keep an eye on Tom Tuggendhat (Con… Read more »

    vierotchka
    vierotchka
    May 22, 2018 4:10 PM
    Reply to  John Marks

    I think I actually found it, I’ll post it as a new comment above. 🙂

    slackwaterbloop
    slackwaterbloop
    May 19, 2018 7:03 PM

    Skripal said to be out today (Royal Wedding day!!!) I need proof…they might be dead, after all and Russia is certainly justified to demand to have sight of them in conditions where they can be assured of their freedom and choices.

    Hertog Jan
    Hertog Jan
    May 19, 2018 6:58 PM

    Truth is only one aspect of reality, and not the most important.

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 20, 2018 12:02 AM
    Reply to  Hertog Jan

    In the ‘Free World’ the truth is a statistical accident, a chance aberration.

    Schlüter
    Schlüter
    May 19, 2018 6:46 PM

    And always the most important question: Cui bono?
    Did it serve Russia trying with China to push the Eurasian Cooperation? Would it have served Russia trying to get out of the snaction Regime? Would it have served Russia´s efforts to bring Nordstream 2 about? Would it have served the Russian effort to make World Championship a big Event? None of this! So the official narrative is bulllsh…!
    See also:
    https://wipokuli.wordpress.com/2018/03/20/the-anti-russia-show-must-go-on-another-setup/
    Pentecost regards

    Jerry Alatalo
    Jerry Alatalo
    May 19, 2018 6:04 PM

    One is reminded of the war criminal George W. Bush at a tuxedoed event of multi-gazillionaires – while the Iraq War was ongoing – arrogantly joking about “Those weapons of mass destruction … they gotta be here somewhere … Nope, not here … Hehehe!”. And the crowd found it so, so amusing, as innocent Iraqis were being killed, maimed and made refugees. Given the sad state of affairs today, one wouldn’t be surprised to see Theresa May at a similar tuxedoed event of bazillionaires where she cracks psychotic jokes over the Skripal false flag: “Has anyone seen where I left… Read more »

    bevin
    bevin
    May 19, 2018 7:59 PM
    Reply to  Jerry Alatalo

    “..at a tuxedoed event of multi-gazillionaires ”
    I think it was the White House Correspondents’ Annual Dinner.

    Mulga Mumblebrain
    Mulga Mumblebrain
    May 20, 2018 12:04 AM
    Reply to  bevin

    Then it was the ‘multi-gazillionaires” paid liars, reality-twisters and truth-killers.

    John Marks
    John Marks
    May 21, 2018 11:41 AM
    Reply to  Jerry Alatalo

    I’d like to see a Private Eye front cover with Mrs May opening the door of No. 10 to two policemen:
    1st policeman: “We have reason to believe . . .”
    2nd policeman: “Anything you say . . .
    May be . . .

    balkydj
    balkydj
    May 19, 2018 5:26 PM

    Oh well, given nobody’s said it yet, lol ..
    “Elementary Watson ..”
    Let’s ask IBM’s Watson for all calculable permutations ..
    What are the ‘odds’ given the criteria, listed above !
    Pretty binary innit’ !?

    candideschmyles
    candideschmyles
    May 19, 2018 4:37 PM

    As Sherlock Holmes is an entirely fictional character presuming what he would make of the official government theory on what happened is eminently appropriate. Well done !

    John Marks
    John Marks
    May 21, 2018 11:44 AM

    For those aficionados of Sherlock Holmes among you, here is the latest reckoning in the Skripal case of likeliest suspect(s) according to Holmes’s classic “motive, means and opportunity”: The Clinton Mob wanted some dirt on Trump to ‘swing’ the American election. Via the CIA, they approached MI6 who referred them to Christopher Steele (ex-MI6 Russia desk) and now running Orbis, a ‘black ops’ private “security” firm. Steele asked an old MI6 contact, Paul Miller, for assistance. Miller was Sergei Skripal’s MI6 ‘minder’. He instructed Skripal to compile a “suitable” dossier for the purpose. Steele sold the dossier to Glenn Simpson… Read more »

    Paul X
    Paul X
    May 21, 2018 11:52 AM
    Reply to  John Marks

    I think it’s more likely he really did want to go home to see his mother before she died and the danger was he’d crack a deal with his old comrades and spill the Steele beans. It’s not to be forgotten the Steele dossier was an MI6/UK interference in the American election on behalf of the Democrat’s Deep State. They must be a bit nervous about that!

    mohandeer
    mohandeer
    May 19, 2018 4:15 PM

    Luke Harding is so used to repeating the establishment lies I doubt he would recognise truth and facts if they slapped him in the face. Any utterance by him is not worth the air he exhales in doing so and certainly not worthy of paper and ink.

    reinertorheit
    reinertorheit
    May 20, 2018 6:43 AM
    Reply to  mohandeer

    Luke is not only a repeater, but a plagiarist – he repeats the work of others under his own name. As he did while here in Moscow, when he regularly stole pieces from The eXile

    mohandeer
    mohandeer
    May 19, 2018 4:12 PM

    Reblogged this on Worldtruth.