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The goal of propaganda is a population that polices itself…

…or why the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn are not what they seem…

MarkGB

Propaganda has reached its zenith when each member of the target population thinks the same; when they are afraid to think differently. At this point ‘leadership’ may commit whatever atrocities it sees fit…in the certainty that the population will either not ‘see’ it, or will view the expression of criticism as a more heinous crime than the act being observed. This is achieved through cementing a ‘false equivalence’ in the mind of the group. Such a false equivalence is being cemented in the UK right now – the idea that criticism of Israel’s persecution of Palestinians is an act of anti-Semitism.

The propagandist seeks to bend the ‘group mind’. Thoughts and actions consistent with the ‘narrative’ are deemed to be socially acceptable & politically correct…ones that challenge it are regarded as socially UN-acceptable & politically IN-correct. Overtime this is reinforced through a dynamic that exists within every human grouping, and many species of mammal – fear of disapproval. Ergo, the propagandist is employing a form of ‘crowd control’.

When the fear of disapproval becomes so strong that one’s sense of belonging, or even physical survival, depend on adherence to the narrative…when failure to comply with it attracts immediate rebuke from other members of the group…then the population can be said to be policing itself. That is how ‘cults’ function, and more frequently than you might imagine…it’s how intelligence agencies and other governmental figures attempt to work through the media.

This is what Orwell warned of in the dystopia of ‘1984’. The Party had achieved what we might call a ‘maintenance state’ for the narrative – society was policing itself. For example, in Oceania, children were taught to report their parents to the ‘Thought Police’ if they demonstrated any sign of disloyalty to The Party. Disloyalty was considered a ‘thought crime’:

Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them. There is almost no kind of outrage – torture, imprisonment without trial, assassination, the bombing of civilians – which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by ‘our’ side. The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them” George Orwell, 1984

This process is happening now. The false equivalence of ‘criticism of Israel’ with ‘anti-Semitism’ is being inculcated into society in general, into the Labour Party in particular, and in its sharpest manifestation, into the smear campaign against Jeremy Corbyn.

As you will already be aware (unless you’ve been trapped behind the fridge for several weeks) Corbyn is the target of a virulent campaign from a number of different directions, which have made ‘common cause’ on the accusation of anti-Semitism. Here, for example, are three major Jewish Newspapers, competitors of each other, who made the extraordinary decision to agree a common headline and verdict on ‘Corbyn’s Labour Party’:

And here is the Jewish Chronicle after Margaret Hodges attacked Corbyn in public with ‘you’re a fucking racist and anti-Semite’:

The mainstream media has not missed any opportunity to bash Corbyn either. Here’s a relatively mild headline from the Sun, who selected a comment from one of Corbyn’s backbenchers, Wes Streeting:

And to demonstrate that upmarket & downmarket means little when it comes to this stuff, here’s a hysterical comment from the usually ‘sober’ Telegraph:

What you will probably NOT have seen, however, is coverage of a statement published by 650 members of the Jewish Community, who are passionately opposed to the narrative. Here is the statement from ‘Independent Jewish Voices’ whose aim is ‘human rights and a just and peaceful solution’:

Neither is it likely that you will have heard the following statement from a Jewish academic, a person I’ve never met, but one who strikes me as a thoroughly intelligent and compassionate human being, Professor Annabelle Sreberney:

At this point, let me spell out my personal opinion regarding Jeremy Corbyn’s alleged anti-Semitism:

You have to be a propagandist, an opportunist, or a complete idiot to discount decades of evidence demonstrating that Jeremy Corbyn is an enemy of racism. Wake up and smell the coffee – the guy stands up for the underdog…racists, by stark contrast, are always bullies
The reality I perceive, is not that Corbyn hates Jews, or loves Arabs…it’s that he challenges injustice where he sees it – and he sees it in the treatment that Palestinians receive from the State of Israel.

The Propagandists in this situation must ‘redirect’ the attention of the population to the ‘false equivalence’: Criticism of Israel = Anti-Semitism.

The Opportunists in the equation are many:

  • This is a wonderful distraction for a Tory government that couldn’t run a kid’s party at Willy Wonka’s
  • The Blairites in the Labour Party who’ve been trying to get rid of Corbyn since Day 1, have been handed a much more powerful weapon than anything they’ve tried up-to-now, and boy do they love it
  • There are a number of other groups who would rather invite Dracula over the threshold than see Corbyn enter Number Ten. The banks and the Murdoch empire are two examples

As for the Complete Idiots…sadly ‘careful thought’ is about as popular as ‘listening’, and to be fair to younger folk & millennials, this has been the case for the six decades I’ve been observing my fellow ‘talking monkeys’. In short, propaganda relies on people ‘not thinking’ – there’s a lot of it about.

Now, let’s look at some ‘nitty gritty’ – the everyday stuff. This isn’t something that only happens in the newspapers – it’s a real part of everyday thinking and discourse. Here is an example I encountered a few days ago, which will serve to illustrate the process:

Context:

A Labour supporter on Twitter made an accurate observation that the BBC’s coverage of Jeremy Corbyn is so biased that it’s painful to listen to. I will keep his identity confidential since I have no desire to embarrass him – my purpose is to demonstrate ‘false equivalence’ in action.

Secondly, I should add that the Israeli Embassy has a fearsome reputation amongst journalists for making its feelings known if Israel doesn’t get the coverage it feels it deserves. This is no secret…and it’s not new. Here is Tim Llewellyn, former Middle East correspondent for the BBC, writing in The Observer in June 2004:

The reasons for this tentative, unbalanced attitude to the central Middle East story are powerful. BBC news management is by turns schmoozed and pestered by the Israeli embassy. The pressure by this hyperactive, skilful mission and by Israel’s many influential and well organised friends is unremitting and productive, especially now that accusations of anti-Semitism can be so wildly deployed”

And here is a clip from a suppressed Al-Jazeera film, showing Israeli Embassy staff advising Labour activists about how to discredit MPs who support an end to the abuse of Palestinians:

The conversation:

Labour Supporter: Will the Media ever accept Corbyn as the leader of Lab Party, No! Listen to Justin Webb’s Masterclass in unconscious bias, in a short interview with John McDonnell he trundled out every Anti Corbyn narrative and the newest or oldest That Corbyn is like Trump

MarkGB:When ‘journalists’ at BBC interview Jeremy Corbyn, they repeat what they hear in the echo chamber of Whitehall, itself an echo of the fears of corps, banks & other ‘lobbyists’…but the thing that scares the veritable ‘crap’ out of the BBC is a call from the Israeli Embassy

Labour Supporter: You know that sounds like Paranoia and to my ears Anti-Semitic. If we are going to convince the media to give us a fair crack of the whip and balance reporting we need to be careful in our use of language

MarkGB: ‘To your ears’. There is no anti-Semitism in my tweet whatsoever. Don’t buy the conflation between criticism of Israeli government policy and anti-Semitism, or if you do, don’t try to pin it onto me. There’s none here.

As expected, he did not reply.

My comments:

So here is a guy who is so scared of being seen as anti-Semitic he does the following, albeit probably unconsciously

  1. Sacrifices truth on the altar of the need to be careful. I.E. don’t tell the truth – it gets us into trouble. It may bring me disapprova
  2. Projects his fear onto another, in this case myself, who is thus cast as the ‘anti-Semitic’ one…so that people know that he isn’t
  3. Imagines that there is the remotest possibility that the media will give Labour or Corbyn, a ‘fair crack of the whip’

There is no way that Jeremy Corbyn or the Labour Party will ever get a ‘fair crack of the whip’ on this issue. The narrative requires that Corbyn’s support for Palestinians goes away…if you are entertaining the possibility that there is any place for ‘rational argument’ or ‘objective reporting’ from or with the people driving this narrative…you are deluding yourself. This is Propaganda…this is how it’s supposed to work.

And it is working…have you noticed how the media is utterly obsessed with talking about Corbyn’s ‘anti-Semitism’…at the expense of the underlying issue he calls attention to – Israel’s abuse of the Palestinian people?

What then, is a person to do?

The solution to this is not quick, and it’s not easy. However, one action that any human being can take, is to stay alert to the meaningof words and how they are structured. If the communication is verbal, also to the body language and vocal tonalities.Pay attention to what is really being said…and also notice what is notbeing said or skirted around…and refuse to sacrifice your truth for an easier life. Do not let the false equivalence stand. As Gandalf said to the Balrog on the bridge at Khazad Dum…”You shall not pass”.

Propaganda is a thought virus. Speaking your truth is the antidote. Here is the antidote in action – the splendid Dr Norman Finkelstein, giving an impassioned reply to an audience intent on using ’emotional blackmail’ to shut him up:

Here is my personal response to this thought virus, and to anyone who tries to infect me with it:

I don’t care if you worship in a synagogue, a church, a temple, or a mosque. I don’t care if you’re black, white, yellow, brown or green. I don’t give a monkey’s what you eat for dinner & I don’t care who you sleep with…provided it’s a consenting adult. I cannot abide bullies, liars and sociopaths. Benjamin Netanyahu and the current government of Israel are war criminals…& your guilt-trip won’t work on me.

Finally, to those who are having thoughts like ‘this is all a misunderstanding’ or ‘common sense will prevail’, or ’a few concessions is enough to fix this’…it isn’t, it won’t, & it never will be…that isn’t how this works.

You cannot appease a smear campaign.

Originally published at Renegade Inc. on 10th August 2018.

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Harry Law
Harry Law

MarkGB states that “Benjamin Netanyahu and the current government of Israel are war criminals” I would like to add that all governments of Israel left, right and centre are war criminals since they have all endorsed the settlement enterprise since 1967 in breach of article 49 paragraph 6 of the 1949 Geneva conventions and the 2001 ICC Act UK, confirmed in the International Court of Justice [world court] opinion in the ‘wall case in 2004, that the transfer of civilians by the occupant into occupied territory are grave war crimes. Incidentally the Jewish Labour Movement [JLM] is also affiliated to the World Zionist Organization (WZO) – according to the UN, WZO pumps millions into building in the occupied West Bank through its settlement division. JLM is an affiliate of the World Labour Zionist Movement and supports the Jerusalem Programme (JP) of the WZO. The JP website lists the ‘foundations of Zionism’ as including ‘The unity of the Jewish people, its bond to its historic homeland Eretz Yisrael, and the centrality of the State of Israel and Jerusalem, its capital, in the life of the nation.’ Are JLM members [who are affiliated to groups who support grave war crimes] the same people who are supposed to teach other members of the Labour party about Anti-semitism, you could not make this stuff up?

Harry Law
Harry Law

After finishing my comment below I discovered this new and must read article by Johnathon Cook [ex Guardian] ‘Corbyn smeared as an Anti-Semite, for a reason’.

“But beyond Corbyn’s personal fate, the Labour party has now reached a critical juncture in its response to the smear campaign. In adopting the full IHRA definition, the party will jettison the principle of free speech and curtail critical debate about an entire country, Israel – as well as a key foreign policy issue for those concerned about the direction the Middle East is taking.

Discussion of what kind of state Israel is, what its policy goals are, and whether they are compatible with a peace process are about to be taken off the table by Britain’s largest, supposedly progressive party.

That thought spurred me to cast an eye over my back-catalogue of journalism. I have been based in Nazareth, in Israel’s Galilee, since 2001. In that time I have written – according to my website – more than 900 articles (plus another few hundred blog posts) on Israel, as well as three peer-reviewed books and a clutch of chapters in edited collections. That’s a lot of writing. Many more than a million words about Israel over nearly two decades.

What shocked me, however, as I started to pore over these articles was that almost all of them – except for a handful dealing with internal Palestinian politics – would fall foul of at least one of these four additional IHRA examples Labour is about to adopt.

After 17 years of writing about Israel, after winning a respected journalism prize for being “one of the reliable truth-tellers in the Middle East”, the Labour party is about to declare that I, and many others like me, are irredeemable anti-Semites”. https://original.antiwar.com/cook/2018/08/17/corbyn-smeared-as-anti-semite-for-a-reason/

George
George

I’d say this is a risky turning point for the elite bully boys. If indeed the Labour party adopt the full definition of anti-Semitism then it will mean the end of the illusion that they are “Britain’s largest, supposedly progressive party” – in which case the necessary illusion that Britain has a representative democracy will finally bite the dust for good. This may very well result in “sterner measures” i.e. all-out police state measures.

A Benge
A Benge

‘This may very well result in “sterner measures” i.e. all-out police state measures’

It will be a criminal act to lose empathy for people who are intent
on deliberately doing you, and your country, harm.

binra

Inducing the ‘Stockholm syndrome’.

I suggest MUCH more conscious attention the to the word and witness we give, because the inquisitor seeks only one scrap of legitimately attackable reaction to put the full force of its false accusation in the framing of something that ‘proves’ the guilt and ‘justifies’ the punishment.

If giving vent to hate is the mindset of that which we profess to withdraw support and allegiance from, then we have to see the baiting or phishing for hate reaction as the means by which it works us even while we believe we are opposing it.

A Benge
A Benge

From today’s Guardian,

‘Jim Sheridan, MP for Paisley and Renfrewshire North until 2015,
was suspended after apparently writing in a Facebook post that
has since been removed: “For all my adult life I have had the utmost
respect and empathy for the Jewish community and their historic suffering.
No longer, due to what they and their Blairite plotters are doing to my party
and the long-suffering people of Britain who need a radical Labour government.”’

You’re not allowed to tell the truth.
The truth is anti-semitic.
Jesus!
Nearly every comment in the last few days in the Indy would get
its author chucked out of the party.

binra

I see it as the ‘conditioning’ of the underclass to slave status. At the moment only people in any sphere of influence (or coming into such a position) are made example of. The same operates in certain other spheres of imposed dominance masking as a call for sympathy and protection.
It doesn’t matter if the ‘science’ is fraudulent or doctored, the agenda is protected against communication.

Only the elites are to be allowed to participate in decisions of any import and only those who are owned and turned to serve the agenda can be accepted into the inner circles of power – or ‘protected’ as long as they conform and comply. Everyone on any outer circles gets their own ‘sideshow’ as part of the management of a golem identity. The sideshow always serves the reinforcement of self-inflations, guilts, hates and fears that effectively disempower or deny true awareness to rise to acceptance. To the mind control, there is no truth but power under death. Hence there is no ‘lie’ in sacrificing to gain power over life. It is simply the broad spectrum dominance over the living will – and so it is a dead – and death – will.

Perhaps the capacity to look on this is the readiness to be flipped from such a reversal to a true foundation? The true function of mind is not as control over personal experience, but to serve the movement of Communication. The worship of grievance is a false basis by which to seem to ‘create our self’. Hate and rage rise up to deny inner terror and thus enact it as if a salvatory self vindication. We can so readily observe this in our selves that it is invisible excepting to the desire to undo, heal or resolve grievance – and all of its negatively polarised and polarising effects in our own thought, perception and experience.

Harry Law
Harry Law

It would appear the ‘full’ IRHA definition is set to be accepted by the NEC because Len McCluskey of Unite has joined other leading Trades Unionists in wanting to put this row “behind us”. How wrong can they be? First of all others have said there must be caveats added to the examples, how is it possible to add a caveat to the FACT that Israel is a racist state, like being pregnant [either you are or you are not]. If the definition with examples is accepted in full then Corbyn and many members of the Labour party will be put in an untenable position and either be forced to keep quiet or have no place in the Labour party, how would it be possible for Corbyn to dispute that Israel was inherently racist when only people of Jewish origin can immigrate into Israel and the new Israeli basic state law [see my comment above] talks only of ‘Jewish rights’. If accepted, the first question the Board of Deputies could ask Corbyn is ‘is the state of Israel a racist enterprise’ if he answered truthfully he would be destroyed and out of the party along with thousands of members, but then that is the plan all along.

George
George

It seems to me that this anti-Semitism narrative may be in danger of backfiring. On Sky News Hodges spoke of her “ordeal” while waiting to see if there was going to be disciplinary action regarding her foul mouthed attack on Corbyn. Of course there wasn’t but Hodges had the jaw-dropping gall to compare her “suspenseful waiting” with how Jews felt in Nazi Germany (!!??) I fail to see how such crass idiotic propaganda could ever become substantial group-think.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

Hysteria, real or feigned, is a favourite Zionazi intimidation technique. Remember Moshe Dayan’s ‘rabid dog’?

Harry Law
Harry Law

One of the IHRA examples of anti-semitism is…”Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis”. But what if one was to say the shooting dead of over 150 non violent protesters and injuring up to 10,000 of those protesters could be seen as something the nazi’s would have done, and was not this the policy of the Israeli state when instructing the snipers to kill those approaching the barriers? The Sharpeville massacre [in South Africa] killed 69 and injured 180 this was a turning point in South Africa’s history. Because the new Israeli state law is so obviously racist it will be interesting to see Labour party members who rightly call out this racist state being kicked out of the Labour party for pointing out the unambiguous racism inherent in the Israeli state law. And how a court of law could agree with the expulsion when that member presented those facts to the court.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

Just tick off the similarities to the Nazis, and other racist terror states. Extreme racist supremacism as the basis of the State ideology. Check. Territorial aggression and expansionism. Check. Contempt for International Law. Check. Desire to seize ‘lebensraum’. Check. Brutal oppression of the captive populations in illegally occupied territories, with massacres like Lidice, Oradur, Gaza and Sabra and Shatilla. Check. Claim to land based on theories of ‘Blood and Earth’. Check.
The differences are still large, if diminishing. No extermination camps. Just internment cum ghetto imprisonment. But with some voices in Israel calling either for mass, forced, expulsion, with inevitable huge blood-loss, or outright exterminism, in part based on the ‘religious’ doctrine of the Amalekites, who ‘God’ orders MUST be exterminated. Aggression still limited to absorbing Palestine, but the boundaries of Eretz Yisrael, ‘from the Nile to the Euphrates’, still remains the eventual ambition of the Zionazi extremes.

Harry Law
Harry Law

Here is a letter I sent to Seumas Milne on 04-08-2018. No answer so far.

Mr Seumas Milne, Director of Strategy and Communications, Harry Law,
Labour Party Head Office, Address…….
105 Victoria Street,
Westminster,
London SW1E.

04-08-2018.
Dear Mr Seumas Milne.
With reference to the debate now taking place within the Labour Party, can I offer these opinions; the first is a testimony by the author of the IHRA definitions to the US Congress, and second by comparing similar racial disputes, I offer an analogy between the new Israeli [basic] ‘State Law’ and a comparison with hypothetical racist state laws if enacted in the UK/US. Hope you can pass the letter or the gist of my opinions on to Jeremy if you agree with them.
This document is essential reading for anyone commenting on this issue: https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Stern-Testimony-11.07.17.pdf In it, the man who drafted the definition under discussion urges Congress NOT to include in legislation the various examples such as those that Labour has omitted, on the grounds that in practice those examples are regularly used by those with a political agenda to suppress academic and political discussion of the actions of the Israeli Government. How can Labour be wrong if they are doing what the author of the definition urges? Below is a quote from the document:

“Passage of this legislation might make some pro Israel students feel better, that Congress agrees with them, but it will give ammunition to anti Israel students saying that Congress has enshrined a definition that can only help to chill, if not suppress, their political speech. And they will be right. The EUMC’s ‘working definition’ was recently adopted in the United Kingdom, and applied to campus. An “Israel Apartheid Week” event was cancelled as violating the definition.

A Holocaust survivor was required to change the title of a campus talk, and the
university mandated it be recorded, after an Israeli diplomat complained that the title violated the definition. Perhaps most egregious, an off campus group citing the definition called on a university to conduct an inquiry of a professor (who received her PhD from Columbia) for anti semitism, based on an article she had written years before. The university then conducted the inquiry. And while it ultimately found no basis to discipline the professor, the exercise itself was chilling and McCarthy like.”
“My fear is, if we similarly enshrine this definition into law, outside groups will try and suppress rather than answer political speech they don’t like. The academy, Jewish students, and faculty teaching about Jewish issues, will all suffer”.

Imagine if the UK had in its statutes, and the USA had in its constitution measures to ensure only white people had the right to immigration [one of Israel’s basic laws is only Jews have the right to immigration into Israel]. Continuing the analogy with Israel’s recently passed ‘Nation-State’ [basic law].

“The states of the UK and the US are the nation-states of the ‘white people”.
“The actualization of the right of national self- determination in the states of the UK/USA is unique to white people”
“The UK/USA will labour to ensure the safety of sons of white people”.
“The UK/USA will act to preserve the cultural, historical and religious legacy of white people among the Diaspora”.
“The UK/USA views ‘white’s only’ settlement as joint national values and will labour to encourage and promote its establishment and development”.

Now let us look at one of the IHRA examples which many members of the Labour Party, some of Jewish origin, some not, want to incorporate into the Labour Party rule book:

“Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination – e.g. by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavour”.

Who could deny that examples 1 to 5 above if incorporated into UK and US law would prove 100% that the UK and US were inherently racist and that their ‘existence were racist endeavours’ and that anyone in the UK/US [including Jeremy Corbyn] who disapproved of 1 to 5 above, and said so, would fall foul of the IHRA definition, be accused of being Anti Semitic and drummed out of the Labour Party and possibly ostracized from society for life. If the IHRA examples are included in the Labour Party rule book, most members of the party would face disciplinary action, which the Zionists would heartily approve.

Yours Faithfully

Harry Law.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

The Labour invertebrates are caving into Zionazi thuggery over these shameful IHRA diktats, on the basis of ‘putting it behind us’. Are they effing insane? Like the Palestinians, NOTHING they do, no craven surrender, no retreat, no groveling prostration, will EVER stop the Zionazi lynch-mob from returning for MORE. More groveling, more boot-licking, more worship, but never, ever, enough. The filthy fabrication of the Tunis wreath controversy, where Corbyn was commemorating the victims of Zionazi regime murderous terrorism, and that was totally inverted into yet another attack on the terrorist Zionazis themselves, shews YET AGAIN, that NOTHING but Corbyn’s destruction, and the destruction of UK Labour, will EVER satisfy these vile, racist, thugs. All they want is TOTAL CONTROL, and anything less is more ‘antisemitism’.

mark
mark

The anti semitic smear campaign against Corbyn serves several important linked objectives. For that reason it will not stop, it will only intensify. No appeasement, no sacrificial lambs, like Ken Livingstone and Marc Wadsworth, will bring it to an end. Nothing will ever be enough for those behind it.

It is a device to divert attention from the very real war crimes and atrocities that are now being committed on a daily basis in Palestine. 15-16,000 unarmed demonstrators, including children, old people, disabled people and medical personnel, have been gunned down in Gaza by Zionist kiddie killers using dum dum bullets and British sniper rifles. The ethnic cleansing is also escalating in the West Bank. Israel has passed Nuremberg/ Apartheid style laws formalising its racist character. The column inches devoted to the howls of outrage over Corbyn’s “anti semitism” are a diversion tactic, pure and simple. Move the story on to something else. This is particularly the case in the light of the Trump/ Kushner/ Netanyahu/ Saudi Arabia attempt to impose a travesty of a “peace settlement” which rides roughshod over the rights of the Palestinians.
It is part of an ongoing campaign to criminalise any and all criticism of Israel, a straightforward intimidation tactic to scare off further criticism. The objective is to bring about a situation similar to that in the US, where even very mild comment about Israel’s actions will instantly lead to the destruction of a career, the loss of a job, and hysterical sustained attacks. Supporting BDS now carries up to 20 years imprisonment and/ or a $250,000 fine. A similar situation now prevails in France and Canada. In France, youngsters wearing BDS T shirts have been prosecuted for “anti semitism.”
It is a device to destroy the Labour Party and/ or remove Corbyn. The Red Tory Blairite backstabbers who make up 80% of the PLP would rather see a Tory government at the next election rather than a Labour one led by Corbyn. The Deep State, the City, the MSM, the Spook organisations, the big vested interests, the Board of Deputies, are terrified by the prospect. Until recently, this would have been dismissed as ludicrous. Corbyn was unelectable, like Trump was certain to lose and Brexit could never happen. Corbyn might well have won the last election if he had been supported by the backstabbers. We now have a weak, divided minority Tory government clinging on to power, with an uncharismatic leader trying without much success to plot a coherent exit from the EU. Anything could happen. Corbyn could win by default just by hanging on. This terrifies the powers that be. The “anti semitic/ terrorist supporter” smears spewed out over 14 pages of the Daily Mail just before the last election, are intended to prevent this.
Many people believe that Trump intends to carry out a military attack on Iran in the near future. This is quite plausible. Some analysts have suggested it could happen within a few weeks. There has been a large scale crackdown by Facebook/ Twitter/ Google on anti war and alternative media websites and accounts on “fake news/ Russian meddling” pretexts. This may be planned to stifle opposition to an Iraq Mark 2. Getting rid of Corbyn would remove a leading anti war figure in advance.

It’s difficult to see how this will end. The situation nationally and internationally is increasingly unstable, fractious and turbulent. Public support for elites and the systems they represent is dwindling rapidly. Trump is destabilising the whole world with sanctions, tariffs, threats and ultimatums. Canada, Mexico, the EU, Turkey, Iran, DPRK, Russia, China. Literally anything could happen, including a major war. Trump may have bitten off more than he can chew, leaving the US isolated. Domestically, either or both of the two main parties could disintegrate. It seems unlikely that Brexit will end happily. The UK could break up. Corbyn could survive and form a government, though his attempts to appease rabid Zionist interests seem ill advised. They will certainly just double down. He has done well to survive so far after two major backstabbing/ political assassination attempts.

We seem fated to live in interesting times.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

“It’s difficult to see how this will end” – it will end just like the US where democracy has been bought and the only electoral choice on offer is the flavour of swivel-eyed neoconservatism.

Corbyn, despite certain failings, is the only politician in the last 40 years to offer any sort of alternative – because of the existential threat he poses to Britain’s fat cats media attacks against him have been relentless and since they have been unable to bring him down over his actual policies they have instead resorted to orchestrating a variety of smears against him.

One minute he’s an IRA sympathiser the next a Russian double-agent but neither trope mired him in quite the way allegations of racism and antisemitism did.
The mudslinging reached its apotheosis when Margaret Hodge an MP who, according the editor of the Jewish Chronicle, is an individual who drags the entire political system into disrepute publicly accused Corbyn (in parliament no less) of being a fucking anti-semite (from 05:40).

Will the British public be able to figure out who is the more credible – a spittle faced apologist for human rights abuses, or a man who has a strong record on peace initiatives.
They might want to start by asking who consistently voted for military action in Iraq and who didn’t.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

Excellent, excellent, comment Mark. The International neo-liberal system is dead, but still staggering on like a zombie, as ‘Free Market’ capitalism implodes under debt and obscene and still growing inequality. Concomitant and synergistic is the rapidly worsening ecological Holocaust caused by capitalist neoplasia. And adding to the brew, we have a geo-political crisis where the Thanatopian Reich is lashing out at all states that refuse to be cowed into vassal status, forever. That the USA is still run by psychopaths so deranged that they really believe that God has given them a Manifest Destiny because of their ‘Exceptionalism’ to dictate to states like Iran, Russia and China just how they should order and run their societies and who should govern, is the reason why the USA is attacking, with both military and economic weapons, countries across the world.
Such a system must end in war, and that almost certainly will end human affairs. If war doesn’t do it, the ecological collapse surely will. And as the world bakes and burns, or drown in water or mud, the ruling Western psychopaths’ priority is destroying ALL resistance to Zionazi barbarity. As you point out, the vicious, lying, frenzied attacks on Corbyn are designed to outlaw ALL criticism of Israel, and of ALL Jews, no matter how barbaric or otherwise retrograde their behaviour. The Jews are to be made officially ‘Chosen’, incapable of crime, misbehaviour or even mistakes, and ALL, every syllable, of critique declared nothing but ‘antisemitic’ bigotry. The lunatic and Messianic narcissism of Netanyahoo and all his ilk is to be made another official quasi-religion throughout the West. Has there ever been a more deranged and audacious project ever inflicted on hundreds of millions by the leading circles of one tiny tribe?
The bitter irony in all this Zionazi campaigning is that it must, eventually, produce a reaction in some people that will become real Judeophobic hatred. That hundreds of thousands joined Labour to end the forty year horror of Thatcher-Blairism, led by Corbyn, who survived one elite attack and Blairite treachery after another, to nearly wrest power from a Tory regime of savage sadism and vicious incompetence, only to see all their work, over decades in many cases, destroyed by this frenzied, ENTIRELY fraudulent, campaign of accusations of ‘antisemitism’, (as if the concerns of Jews, even if they were true, ought to be the most important issue in a country where they represent less than 1% of the population)is bound to cause a good deal of antipathy towards Jews to grow. Hopefully it will be reserved for the guilty, the Zionazi elites and their Sabbat Goy stooges, and the vermin in the fakestream hate-machines, but any blow-back will be warmly welcomed by the Zionazis. It will feed their narrative, and as hatred of the other is their fuel of their existence, it will only feed them and drive them to ever greater exertions of hatred. It’s a vicious cycle, driven from Israel, through the Zionazi Fifth Columns that totally control Western politics, and it will never slacken, not even after all criticism of Israel is criminalised, all support for the Palestinians outlawed and every murderous attack on Gaza, Lebanon or Iran, met by united hosannas of praise from the entire Western power structure. Even then they will still want more-they are insatiability personified.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee

It looks very much like the Labour Party and Corbyn are throwing in the towel and the zionists have won this time around. They doesn’t surprise me given the spineless nature of social-democratic, centre-left parties throughout Europem yesterday and today. To use a phrase from the leader of the Italian Socialist Party who, when faced with Mussolini, Comrade Turati offered the famous axiom. ”We must have the courage to be cowards.”

We can expect no other reaction from invertebrate social-democrats, it is part of their DNA, as history has amply demonstrated.

rtj1211
rtj1211

There is one simple test for the ‘any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic’ brigade: live your life under the conditions Palestinians must live under.

What a great thought: a Gaza strip for new Labour and UK-based zionists…..

I guarantee you they will be fulminating and launching tirades within six weeks….

Bothfeetontheground
Bothfeetontheground
PeaceCora
PeaceCora

It comes to something when Margaret Thatcher comes out looking reasonable!

mog

Wondering if the Corbyn team played the Tunisia story with some strategy, delaying the release of evidence that proved its falsity until after Netenyahu broke cover with his attack.
If so, it has revealed clearly the battle lines and the media’s alliances to the wider public.

A Benge
A Benge

I don’t think it was planned.
Unfortunately; mud sticks, and the witch hunters never
let go of the mud.
The lynch mob are sadists and they’re really enjoying
themselves. Read Dan Hodges’s tweets. He’s getting
his rocks off joining in the torture. I think it makes him happy,
It’s really sick!

mog

Satyagraha?
or,
‘The harder they come….’

Bothfeetontheground
Bothfeetontheground

The more the attack dogs throw and become unstuck with baseless accusations, the less the general public will listen to their ravings. This whole approach of smear and muck-racking Corbyn may well blow-up in their faces come election time.

A Benge
A Benge

They keep repeating the lies even after they’ve been exposed.

binra

Addiction is the compulsive subjection to any means of NOT LOOKING at what is more fearful that any such strategy of denial and evasion.
War upon reality is both absurd and tragic – for the investment of identity in a lie ‘protects’ itself from the true as the very basis of its ‘survival’. Note I did not address ‘persons’ but rather, the need for war as the ‘survival’ or persistence of a separate sense of both victimhood and vengeance.

The extreme example illustrates the principle in unequivocal terms. The principle is applicable to all forms of separative intent to define, control or dominate, but no one in its active expression knows what they do – because they operate under the coercive dictate that denies their own capacity to recognize life and others as themselves.

The call to hate is contagious through the acts of the perpetrator – that re-enacts the script of the projection of denial onto ‘others’ and onto life itself. The sacrifice of the living to a fantasy gratification (false god) is writ into the Template as if our power and protection. Only the willingness to look within at what we are in fact thinking, believing, perceiving and framing our behavioural experience in can restore the true foundation. All attempts to hide or deny our own fear will become the vector of our own subjection. Hence bringing out into the light of a desire for true is the most ‘protected’ or defended against outcome.
To any such outbreak of peace of a true communication, war is incepted, baited and if need be falsified as a self attack assigned to others.

“No one understood better than Stalin that the true object of propaganda is neither to convince nor even to persuade, but to produce a uniform pattern of public utterance in which the first trace of unorthodox thought immediately reveals itself as a jarring dissonance.”
~ Alan Bullock, in Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives

Resisting the ‘deceiver’ is always firstly within ourself – our own wishful or fearful thinking. The ‘deceiver’ is not persons – but the divisive thinking of a sense of personal lack-unducing conflict that invokes ‘external power’ to suppress and deny the feared life-communication. All Life is Communication. Human thinking developed to filter, block and distort communication. To become a true receiver, stop relaying or transmitting false witness and wait or yield to the Silence of being for the true. Simply stopping here and now to feel existence is the shift from a ‘virtualised reaction’ to a felt relationship. The choice to think some more is the acceptance of such ‘thinking’ as your self. All choice brings consequences by which to evaluate our experience as the fruits thereof. If we assign or sign away responsibility away from the power of conscious acceptance, we willingly but unwittingly subject ourself to victimhood so as to the self-protective recoil or denial of our own act.

The terror and rage are of the same divisive root – but how can we become able to look within and heal?
Or to put it the other way round, how can we deny and delay the Inevitable ‘exposure’ to truth? Which to the fear-controlling is death and loss of self but to the love of truth is peace of wholeness. These two movements or ‘choices’ are within us all. The movement of life within is already whole and ‘calls’ to wholeness or healing – but is perceived as demonic, heretical or meaningless. Looking within WHILE engaging in our relational existence is the ‘missing’ part of a masked persona – played out as real.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

The sheer arrogance and sadism of the Zionazis as they inflict UNENDING suffering on the Palestinians, and the bizarre narcissism of their demands that they be WORSHIPED for it, have been there for all to see, for the seventy years of the ongoing Nakbah.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

Of course it was planned. The Zionazis would have teams, in the UK and the apartheid state itself, working overtime to retrace every move Corbyn has made over decades, to view every picture, every video, every utterance, looking for material that can be twisted and contorted to shew ‘antisemitism’, the new Supreme and Universal Crime. Destroying Corbyn, one of the last Western politicians not TOTALLY controlled by the Zionazis and who has dared treat the Palestinians as human beings, is an absolute priority for the Zionazi regime and all its Fifth Columns of sayanim and Sabbat Goy stooges.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

If you want to know what any threat to Britain’s banking, or corporate kleptocracy looks like, then look no further than the treatment of Jeremy Corbyn – i.e. any politician who fails to grasp, or accept what is expected of them, which nowadays consists of little more than acting as proxies for the financial establishment and various lobby groups who really control things.

Any existential threat to these arrangements was bound to see the media whipped into a frenzy with orchestrated smear campaigns against those threatening the natural order (which has only consolidated itself over the last 40 years).
Needless to say compliant MPs, such as Margaret Hodge and Tom Watson, lost no time in showing everybody where their true loyalties lie.

Of course commentators soon began to lose themselves in the semantics of each anti-Corbyn smear even though they are ALL driven by exactly the same dynamic, which is to suggest any politician who is opposed to asset stripping the country poses a much greater danger than those who are doing the asset stripping (a phenomena captured perfectly in James Meek’s analysis” ‘Private island: why Britain now belongs to someone else).

“In a little over a generation the bones and sinews of the British economy – rail, energy, water, postal services, municipal housing – have been sold to remote, unaccountable private owners, often from overseas. In a series of brilliant portraits the award-winning novelist and journalist James Meek shows how Britain’s common wealth became private, and the impact it has had on us all: from the growing shortage of housing to spiralling energy bills.”
https://www.versobooks.com/books/1731-private-island

Maybe when we are living in tents and have to rely on eating our own shoes for sustenance the penny will finally drop about the sheer irrelevance of which meetings Jeremy Corbyn did or did not attend 8 years ago, or the extent to which he agrees or disagrees with international definitions of anti-semitism.

comite espartaco

(@ Jim Scott) Al Jazeera is an Islamist and immigrationist fake news outlet. During the Egyptian demonstrations, Al Jazeera was at the forefront of support for the Muslim Brotherhood, with their journalists acting in blatant disregard for objective reporting. During the ‘fakefugees’ assaults of women in Hamburg, Al Jazeera did try to hide the news, etc…
Those who support unconditionally the actions of Islamist groups in Palestine, like the recent ‘protests’ at the border with Israel, that took the lives of dozens of unarmed people unnecessarily and for propaganda reasons, should understand that they support, in many cases, suicidal actions and massacres of a manipulated people that have nothing to do with the Palestinian Cause but, rather, with the International Jihad and their masters, like Iran, Saudi or Qatar. Palestine is not a colourful flag or ‘David’ children throwing stones to the ‘Goliat’ of heavily armed soldiers, but the vector for the politics of the world and the power struggles of the darkest Middle East and has to be handled accordingly.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

You’re a PARTICULARLY filthy Zionazi racist, but at least you are shewing your real spots more and more clearly.

Maggie
A Benge
A Benge

I think they’re ALL on today’s Freedland’s Guardian piece.
So many vile opinions.

PeaceCora
PeaceCora

You’re brave! I find even the Guardian highly toxic these days.

mark
mark

Typical Zionist ploy – blame the victims.
Just like Nazi propaganda – look at what those terrible Jews have made us do to them.

mark
mark

“The actions of Islamist groups” did not take the lives of scores of unarmed people.
It was the actions of IDF kiddie killers with dum dum bullets from British supplied sniper rifles.

comite espartaco

(@ JJ139) The Palestinian conflict is a historical process and therefore it is subject to a continuos evolution and change and, for that very reason, its perceptions and dynamics are in constant transformation. Today’s main actors in the Palestinian resistance movement, for instance, are Islamic groups with religious aims and methods, very different from the secular organisations and parties of the past. This change and generational relay can even be noticed in stylistic changes of appearance. In the past, the Palestinian ‘revolutionary’ fighters used to visit Communist and Socialist parties around the world with their olive green military fatigues, indicating their combatant status and guerrilla warfare philosophy. Today, they have been substituted by Islamist women with burkas, bearded religious preachers or Muslim technocrats of the International Jihad, with very different methods, politics and ideology. It is not by chance that these types have appeared with the mass uncontrolled migration allowed by the oligarchies of the West, as Islam was and still is, in spite of appearances, the instrument with which the exploiters defeated socialist parties and Working Class opposition in the Arab World and the Soviets in Afghanistan and they wanted to extend those successful methods to defeat the organised workers of the West.

JJ139
JJ139

TL:DR you are clearly a troll with an agenda simply to write long and nonsensical apologia for the powers that be. On your bike.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

It’s a Zionazi posing as a ‘revolutionary’. Must be a new hasbara stream.

vexarb

Mulga, it’s the old Soros / Rothschild / Guardian “take over from the Left”. Why do you think the campaign organizers and followers of Killary called themselves “Leftists”? Why do you think French Rothschild family bought up La Liberation and a satirical magazine, so the Left could put upthe slogan, We are all Charlies now.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

To the ‘Left’ of Genghis Khan-possibly.

mark
mark

The main Islamic resistance movement is Hamas. Hamas was actually created by the Zionist Regime as part of a classic colonial divide and rule strategy to undermine Arafat’s organisation. The Zionist Regime gave it money AND GUNS. Hamas is the elected government of the Palestinian people. There was an election and they won. It’s something called democracy, apparently.

The US, UK, etc. have frequently done the same – use Islamist terror groups like Al Qaida/ ISIS/ MEK to attack any countries they dislike – Russia, China, Iran, Libya, Syria. This always blows up in their faces – literally.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher

I recall that Hamas first became a force after the 2006 PLA election when it won a majority. The Israelis responded by arresting the West Bank’s Hamas representatives, over 50 of them, but couldn’t get at those in Gaza. The resulting reinterpretation of this incident puts a very different spin on it so might be classed as a very successful propaganda campaign. The reality as I recall was that Hamas was proving to be a very successful, organized, political force among the Palestinians — which is why it had such a strong showing in those elections — which would have presented a serious threat to Israeli policy.

Hegemony requires an opposition that’s weak and fragmented…..which comes right back to Corbyn. He is a problem because successive attacks on him haven’t yielded any significant results. I’m not talking just about the current anti-Semitic line but all those recycled 1980s things, the “Red Ken” type things, the talk of a split between “Moderates” and “you can guess who else”, something that’s been used time and again (remember the Social Democrats?). At the rate we’re going Mr. Corbyn should probably check and update his life insurance.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

That’s an old Zionazi tactic. Do something vile, like arresting (and no doubt torturing)all the elected Hamas representatives, shewing your dedication to ‘democracy’, and get your stooge, Dahlan, (who delivered the Po 210 that poisoned Arafat)to attempt to take-over Gaza. Keep your big stooge, Abbas, in power INDEFINITELY in the West Bank ghetto, then lie and lie and lie some more about events. Hamas ‘seized power in Gaza’, election results down the Memory Hole. And the manner in which all the Sabbat Goy and sayanim vermin in the Western fakestream media stick to the new Zionazi version of history, would have Big Brother’s Ministry of Truth gob-smacked in admiration and envy.

comite espartaco

(Wally Willager) In spite of the first impressions and the cultivated propaganda that portrays a decisive leadership, it is not true that Blair had the ruthlessness and nerve of his convictions. That is why he had to lie to manipulate the British people towards the oligarchic aims of his policies. Blair was a fake, from head to toe, as New Labour was and could not be otherwise and people took it lock, stock and barrel… a few times in a row.
In many ways, Mr Corbyn is showing a similar nature, as the preposterous explanations of his political blunders clearly demonstrate. He is always trying to cover his tracks with the embarrassing justifications of those who believe they have something to hide, because he is involved in the same political game of manipulation, the chicanery of ‘being all things to all people’ and the political cowardice that was the trademark of New Labour and of today’s politics.
Palestine is too big a problem for people without a principled stand in politics that only aspire to be nice to all and achieve a utopian peace, as they risk being swayed, as Mr Corbyn has been, by groups, leaderships and hierarchies of the multitude of factions in the fray. It is not possible to be a Socialist and appear praying like a Muslim, laying wreaths in ceremonies and participating in conferences that involved militants of groups that used ‘terrorist’ (as opposed to guerrilla) tactics, religious ideologies and supernatural justifications of their positions. Neither is possible to be a Socialist and adopt or work with the IHRA or other religious or supremacist definitions and orders from groups alien to Labour or the Socialist movement. But this unsustainable position, has been made possible by the infiltration and adoption of nefarious minority ideologies and identity politics by the Labour Party. The Palestinian crisis in Labour is the result of those flawed ideologies, that have taken the Palestinian Cause as a pet project to further and promote immigrationist policies and hide, under the natural sympathy that the Palestinian Cause evokes, the incongruence of Islamic immigration in Western democracies and the inevitable conflicts and ravages derived from it. Palestine, in the hands of minoritymongers, is a justification for the terror that accompanies the immigrationist policies of the elites.

JJ139
JJ139

“The Palestinian crisis in Labour is the result of those flawed ideologies, that have taken the Palestinian Cause as a pet project to further and promote immigrationist policies and hide, under the natural sympathy that the Palestinian Cause evokes, the incongruence of Islamic immigration in Western democracies and the inevitable conflicts and ravages derived from it. Palestine, in the hands of minoritymongers, is a justification for the terror that accompanies the immigrationist policies of the elites.”

The Palestine problem officially started 70 years ago with the stealing of Palestinian land and ethnic cleansing of the local population. It unofficially started many years before with Zionist terrorist actions by Irgun and the Stern Gang etc. To conflate this with Muslim immigration into western ‘democracies’ is ridiculous as such immigration is far more recent, and mainly the result of western regime change terrorism on behalf of the Zionists in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and no doubt very soon Iran.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

It’s pure hasbara hatred of Moslems, Arabs and the Palestinians in particular, however.

Jim Scott
Jim Scott

Perhaps you never watched the Al Jazeera expose of the Israeli Governments apalling interference in British politics and the smearing of anyone who raised questions about the illegal and vicious treatment of the Palestinians or who support the disinvestment campaign.
Or how the London Israeli Consulate plotted to bring down Corbyn by faked propaganda funded by a foreign/US AIPAC
Can you swear with your hand on the Torah that you are not another Israeli Government propogandist or shill?
Do you support the slaughter of Palestinians by Israel?

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

Yes it does, Jim. Just look at it’s comment above re. the cold-blooded murder of Gazans by Zionazi snipers. According to this creature the lives were taken unnecessarily by the protests, not his Zionazi friends’ bullets.

Michael McNulty
Michael McNulty

It’s the same excuse used by the Nazis when they shot people in revenge for an action by a resistance movement. They said don’t blame us for the murders, blame the resistance.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

Gaza is an unending Lidice, repeated over and over again, plus added arrogance and a narcissistic demand to be worshiped that not even the original Nazis possessed.

WallyWillager
WallyWillager

Comite – that is a blunderbuss of a retort to my observation on the neocon/lib nwo creation that was nulabInc and it’s festering minions.

Dissing JC and his consistent opinions over his political career and equating it with these treasonous charlatans who served and continue to, the global robber baron elites and their security apparatus while climbing up the greasy poles of power and wealth, is a calumny, as even the latest attack falls apart – where are the Munich attackers buried?

You sound like you are panicking. Here have a friendly cartoon to help you sleep.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2018/aug/14/steve-bell-on-jeremy-corbyn-row-with-benjamin-netanyahu-cartoon
The great satirist, Steve Bell, has re-emerged from his, ahem, slumber.

Can we expect an autumn if terrorist murders amid an election now? This time we will not be fooled.

All these with their special second passports may well be needing to use them – i don’t suppose we have extradition treaties with all these other countries,

PJ
PJ

Paid trolls don’t listen to reason. They don’t get paid if they do so and can therefore never be reasoned with. Focus on the people around you to make sure their minds don’t get poisoned by their lies.

WallyWillager
WallyWillager

The mealy mouthed piss poor rag asked for what Labour supporters thought?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/02/what-do-labour-party-supporters-think-of-the-partys-performance

Well am i the only one waiting to get their report? Maybe when hell freezes over? Over Freedlands dusty old bones?

“Your responses will ONLY be seen by the Guardian and we will feature SOME of them in our reporting.”
(My emphasis)

They want to CHERRYPICK & CENSOR while hoping to pick up some ammo – Orwell would be proud of how they are following the formula.

tutisicecream

George Galloway’s column worth reading in conjunction with this.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/435860-corbyn-media-israel-british/

I’ll quote some useful info from the end:

“The BBC radio flagship program “Today” has lost one million listeners in one year. The BBC flagship television program “Newsnight” has lost half its audience. The Persecutor-in-Chief, the Daily Mail –whose founder was a personal friend of Adolf Hitler – has lost 12% of its readership in the last year.

The Russophobia Times of London has lost 6.6% from a very low base. The ‘liberal’ Guardian newspaper, which daily plumbs new journalistic depths, has sunk by an unlikely 13%.

And the Daily Telegraph, house-journal of disgraced former foreign secretary Boris Johnson, has lost a mind-bending 25% of its readers in just one year.”

These stats won’t surprise anyone on Off G but will lead to a more rabid attack on alt media as we are already starting to witness. People need to abandon faceblock, tewitter et.al they are now no different to the slime stream media, they are not needed and can easily be replaced.

Jen
Jen

Maybe that 13% that Galloway is a typographical error and it should have read 31%?

🙂

tutisicecream

Clearly George Galloway does’t believe their stats…”an unlikely 13%”.

I think we might reasonably assume that based on their journalistic inaccuracies and out and out dammed lies we may not be dealing with facts here.

Thomas Peterson
Thomas Peterson

The Guardian used to be worth visiting for the lively and informative comments section. That’s basically gone now.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

The Fraudian attracts, and allows, an awful lot of hard Right arse-holes these days, in its Comments.

Jerry Alatalo

Making the ridiculous allegation that Jeremy Corbin is anti-Semitic is like calling Jeremy Corbyn a reptilian Annunaki alien. The power elite is getting more and more desperate, the Browder-Magnitsky scandal is on the verge of exploding, and one can only hope/pray the power-mad criminal warmongers don’t choose big mistake #3.

comite espartaco

One of the problems with Mr Corbyn and their supporters is that, in the Palestinian Cause, they have taken more than they can chew. It is too big a problem for ‘amateur’ and ignorant politicians (let alone for loony leftists), that get involved in these things through flag waving and minoritymongering politics, with no sense of proportion and critical restrain, as they are carried away by propaganda images and sentimentality. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a brutal affair on both sides and requires some ruthlessness and nerve on behalf of those who want to get involved in it. Otherwise, anyone risks being dragged into a maelstrom of parties, sections and rivalries, as Mr Corbyn, candidly has been dragged into dubious ceremonies.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

Yep-a Zionazi FOR SURE. The arrogance was a giveaway, as was the contempt for the ‘lesser’ races, but this stinking moral equivalence between the imprisoned, defenceless and brutalised Palestinians and the racist monsters oppressing them really rounds out the picture. And what is ‘dubious’, Bibi, about commemorating the victims of Zionazi murderousness?

mog

What are you even doing here?

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

Hasbara.

WallyWillager
WallyWillager

Comite, i’ll bite, you make some points.

Possibly the truest being about ‘both sides’

It is good you admit there are at least two sides – many ‘zionists’ wouldn’t even deem to recognise that.

As for ‘ruthlessness and nerve’ ( aside – Ruth? And the eponymous word – lol)

Yeah we had one Tony Blair who back in his warlording pomp had both, ignored the instinctive plea of millions who took to the streets to demanf that he ‘hold the horses’ , he lied and lied and promised a ‘Road Map’ – as far as i know it was never published, opened or followed, prob got pulped or used to fill in a motorway… anyone know?

The top down suppression of the peaceful and charitable instincts of the people has thrown up Corbynism, it is not the other way round. Where TB and NuLabInc once rose on a similar force so does the current leadership. This time as a fully fledged human first, grassroots force. We are not going to make the same mistake 3 times in a row (Tory/SDP1, NuLabInc… and this 3rd attempt and SDP2… not in my name)

If you and the powers in retreat are wise – you would concede and retire for a generation or two .. or carry on escalating the nastiness… but then, again, you will learn too late of reaping what you sow, ruthlessly.

A Benge
A Benge

Please go away. This is a much needed sanctuary from malevolance
towards those who are serious about making the world better.

Jen
Jen

I wonder if Jeremy Corbyn would have done better to split British Labour and thrown out the Blairite parliamentary faction. Would the party’s popularity then have risen with the electorate and encouraged more people to join?

Sometimes I think Corbyn’s major failing as a leader is that he’s not bloody-minded enough. He needs a personality of, er, Stalinist proportions to get rid of people like Margaret Hodges intent on sabotaging his leadership, his program and British Labour generally.

https://labourlist.org/2018/07/build-it-in-britain-again-corbyns-full-speech/

Terje M

The problem with a split would be that the right wing in Labour would form their own, nominally left-wing, party, which would be hellbent on sabotaging Corbyn’s chances of getting into power. The PTB would give this mini-party plenty of coverage and tacit support, making it possible that it would hold the parliamentary balance.
Of course, extreme sabotage is what the Labour right wing is doing at the moment, so you have a point.

Creating nominally left-wing parties to split the left vote was a favorite tactic during the Cold War. The Australian Labor Party struggled with this problem for many years, with Santamaria and the right-wing Democratic Labor Party being vital to keeping Liberal governments in power for 30 years.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

The Blairite Sabbat Goy scum are going to split after the election in any case. Corbyn WILL NEVER be allowed to become PM. Full stop. The Zionazis will liquidate him physically, a field in which they are world leaders, if necessary.

Terje M

Yes, Corbyn certainly has many enemies. I remember ‘anonymous very high ranking army officers’ talked to The Daily Telegraph last year, saying they would begin a coup if Corbyn ever came to power.

JudyJ
JudyJ

Speaks volumes about the attitude of the PTB to the democratic process.

PJ
PJ

A ‘democratic process’ that picks and chooses what can and cannot be held open for discussion is by no means a democratic process, never has been and never will be.

binra

I always take the pattern of control of communication and locate it in myself – not myself exclusively – but recognize that I also have the same liability to misperceive and misidentify and thus reinforce a sense of distrust, a defensive posture of conflict and the use of narrative as self-reinforcement or ammo to undermine the ‘enemy’ or threat.

To the belief that coercive power protects it is associated with freedom rather than the slavery it is. And to that mistaken identity, the freedom of the true will is fearful (lack of control) and is thus deeply threatening and thus denied, suppressed, subverted, usurped – as a matter of survival.

Masking in the mere forms, appearance and packaging of communication, concern, respectability etc is the nature of hiding a sense of self-lack. That can take different forms but is necessarily driven to use others as a means to GET from instead of opening the recognition of worth through the process of relationship and communication. The mistake itself is correctable, but the layers of grievance in both fear and hate set up a seemingly impregnable defence – and so we settle for the ‘human condition’ as if hardwired – because until we open perspective upon our set of mind, we live under and within its framing.
To see another as our self is the breaking of the isolation. As we treat others so do we treat ourself – but in a split mind the self-hate can be denied awareness and yet operate as hate of others who are thus being used as a dump and target for what we refuse to see and resolve within ourself. This can also work in sacrificing self to take on the burdens of others in attempt to heal without breaking the isolation (thinking mind) and letting communication in – rather than defending against it in belief it is a threat or attack on our ‘peace’. Blaming externals for a loss of wholeness is the symptom of some form of self-attack in terms of self-judged guilt and expectation of retaliation or penalty. But we do not experience ourselves in such terms while we engage the projection of the world (that fear makes), and so cannot be communicated with directly.

Opening a channel of communication means that first we must extend it. To make home, we must give forth of the qualities of ourselves and then meet our reflection. To find ourselves in another we must extend a sense of worth or belonging – in order to (know or be consciously aware that) have it.
What we DO choose (or blindly react in learned habit) to extend to others, we ARE strengthening in ourselves. In this sense what we sow is our own freedom to reap – even a bitter harvest.
We have now a collective – even global – bitter harvest that cannot be kept out of awareness and this is the call to address and own our own miscreation. You are responsible for what you think, and what you accept as real for you will dictate the behaviours that automatically ensue.
Conflicted thought (doublespeak and invested self-illusion) either express or repress as the fight and flight of power struggle operating through the whole spectrum of influence – ie including victimhood that seeks to entangle others in guilt.

There is no limit to the ingenuity of mind in its own defenses except our willingness to tolerate the pain of isolation – be that expressed in physical, emotional or mental terms. Perhaps its best defence is to join only in conditional forms of token sacrifice to intimacy of real communication, so as to mutually reinforce the sense of self separateness against a feared exposure of undoing to pain of loss.

The idea of collective power becomes the energy supply for the hidden agenda of a private or secret sense of self-gratification and vindication. The true movement is a felt energetic quality that finds synchronicity – including that of being truly seen and heard. It really does take one to know one – for only those who can accept worth (love) can bear to BE seen.

Jen
Jen

Yes that is true, the ALP was weakened for a long time due to the DLP split. The circumstances were different though: Robert Menzies was a popular leader at the time, though maybe not quite as popular then in the 1950s and 60s as people these days seem to think. From what I understand, he was skilled at exploiting Australian fears about Communism, Indonesia with its population and poverty, the Indonesian President Sukarno at the time, or some combination of the three.

In those days also, the ALP depended a great deal on the Irish Catholic vote and the DLP split took that constituency away.

The situation in the UK surrounding Jeremy Corbyn and British Labour is different. There, the Conservative government seems to be loathed by most people. British Labour would attract more supporters if it were able to pound out its policies to revitalise the British society, culture and economy in a media environment favourable to it.

Jen
Jen

I should have said that Menzies (Liberal – National Coalition: politically conservative) was the Prime Minister of Australia at the time.

pimattersc

I understand your frustration Jen, but its a long battle and emotional retaliation is exactly how the media win. They are literally taunting Corbyn to ‘out’ him. The problem for them is the more they taunt him through their own medium, the more the internet medium gets behind him. All we have to do is keep relatively quiet, and impassioned and come the next election, the excellent team we have behind the party who are even now working on the strategy, with the power of numbers behind them and WE WILL WIN.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

And then the Blairite Sabbat Goyim will defect, en masse, and form a coalition with the Lib Dems and Tories. If you go to an election with the Blairite vermin in situ, and with Lansman running Momentum (he’ll join the defectors for certain) no matter how big you win-you’ll lose.