CNN: “Twitter has suspended accounts” that “appear” to smear Khashoggi

Further indication of the alleged murder of Khashoggi being a narrative issued from high levels in the power structure is rolling out all the time. But this is a significant little pointer:

The Khashoggi murder narrative, true or false, is being protected and promoted aggressively by the mainstream media. I don’t think this is simply because the press are mad about the attack on “one of their own” or because the scandal is just too big to ignore. In fact I think these frequently-repeated claims are based on a fundamental and dangerous misapprehension about the relationship between the media and its masters and how narratives are currently produced.

Whatever happens with the Khashoggi story we need to keep talking about these misapprehensions because they fatally undermine people’s ability to grasp the reality of our current situation. I guess I’ll be returning to it in the future.

In the meantime, I note several articles in alt media outlets that ought to know better – all discussing what the murder of Khashoggi might mean for this or that foreign policy question, or this or that aspect of the western narrative. None, or shamefully few of them, pointing out that we have as yet seen no evidence the murder has actually happened.

This erosion of our requirement for verification is appalling. I don’t care what beneficial longterm interests may be served by climbing on this bandwagon and screaming for vengeance on the Saudis, if we agree to live in a world where allegation becomes evidence simply by repetition, we are allowing the propagandists an easy victory.

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John
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John

As far as I’m concerned he was a possible CIA agent working for the CIA newspaper (Washington Post) and potentially got killed by a CIA backed government security service trained by the CIA in another country that is infested with CIA personel. I’m not the only person who doesn’t particularly care about this story. It stinks

Rhisiart Gwilym
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Rhisiart Gwilym

Well said, Catte. None of we chatterati flotsam know anything much yet about the Khashoggi thing, not for sure, and especially not about >why< it’s being cried up so hysterically – and so intriguingly – by the Western lamestream mediawhores and the pocket-politicians. But lots of us can’t escape the delusion that we do know what’s what already – just a priori; by the sheer power of logic alone! Yeah, right… Yet what have we got to go on, so far? Why, the posturing outpourings of these same media and politics whores. Just that! People for whom constant, carefully-doublethunk intellectual-cheating,… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
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Rhisiart Gwilym

Mind you, having said all the above, it’s still well worth following sharp in-seers like b at ‘Moon of Alabama’, (or the good folk who run Off-G :)) in the pursuit of clarified hindsight. Try this:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/10/saudis-admit-khashoggi-murder.html#more

Occam
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Occam

Btw, why so much hatred towards MBS in the MSM?
Well… why so much hatred towards Trump in the MSM?

In short: yes it is better to look at the facts rather than at what the MSM is saying. Therefore it is also better not to make theories based on what the MSM is saying.

If business with SA continues as usual this whole affair was just an unfortunate side affect of putting a psychopath in charge of SA and of conflicting interests in the Middle East. (Turkey leading the way in the smear campaign.)

John
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John

Apparently the thing that got kashoggi kicked out of Arabia was criticizing trump.

Occam
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Occam

Occam’s razor: the theory that makes the least amount of assumptions is statistically speaking the most likely to be correct. Here is one such theory: Mohammed bin Salman was put on top in Saudi Arabia with the help of the US. Mohammed bin Salman is a murderous psychopath that has left a trail of bloody murder in his wake on the way to power in Saudi Arabia. All of this is documented fact. Now the theory: murderous psychopaths with unlimited power do things like what happened to Khashoggi. (I’ve also read somewhere that his death might have been the result… Read more »

Frankly Speaking
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Frankly Speaking

Please allow me to try and be a bit more concise than my earlier post on the earlier thread by Catte. To understand what’s happening with this event we need to remind ourselves as to what’s been going in Syria, Turkey, Israel and Russia, not just SA. Increasingly Erdogan is siding with the Russians and Iranians after the Russians gave him intel as to who was behind the attempted coup against him. That’s the key. Turkey is no longer playing along entirely to the US script. The Americans have royally fucked up with their plan by trying to remove him.… Read more »

John
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John

Well it’s only to be expected that Israelis would have some involvement somewhere. Did the Turks release the audio of his murder or interrogation?

Roya Royaii
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Roya Royaii

dont tell us israel want remove mbs no way israel want mbs in power to fight Iran the US /israeli trump agandas mbs fu..up with killing khashoggi in his embassy !!

Franly Speaking
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Franly Speaking

It’s a Pavlovian reation by some in our community to simply assume all MSM is wrong and that it is always wrong.

We lose credibility by such irrational viewpoints. Yes, the MSM is massively wrong and misleading on countless occasions, but it’s not ALWAYS wrong.

By pushing this nonsensical viewpoint we also lose people who would otherwise be persuaded that the MSM is often wrong.

MichaelK
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MichaelK

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/19/saudi-arabia-jamal-khashoggi-life-mission-brutal-regime

Freedland seems to understand the significance of Khashoggi’s murder. One wonders whether Khashoggi did as well and willingly walked through the door to the torture chamber and the whirlwind that he knew would follow his death, a blow to the Saudi regime it may never recover from?

LadyDi
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LadyDi

well you’re certainly drinking the KoolAid on this one.

MichaelK
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MichaelK

I don’t think Khashoggi will ever been seen again. He’s dead and gone. The circumstances around his brutal and blatant murder are, contradictory, murky and very complex indeed. First he’s a guy under American ‘protection.’ He lived in Virginia, just down the road from the CIA in Langley. He was an American ‘asset’ and a journalist working for the NYT and he had a broad network of contacts in commerce, politics and the media, so killing him was never going to go unnoticed and be easily accounted for. His uncle was the famous, infamous, Khashoggi, who for decades was the… Read more »

Jen
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Jen

Excuse me but Jamal Khashoggi wrote opinion pieces for The Washington Post, not The New York Times. It is WaPo that has been talking up his disappearance and the rest of the US MSM latched on later. His fiancee Hatice Cengiz, whom Khashoggi apparently only met in May this year, and who is said to be linked to a pro-ISIS / pro-al Qaeda charity, wrote an opinion editorial for the NYT. https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2018/10/18/Khashoggi-s-alleged-fianc-e-and-ties-to-a-radical-charity-linked-to-ISIS-al-Qaeda.html The simple explanation for the failure of the US to protect Khashoggi is that he never had any such protection. Why would the US government protect him if… Read more »

PSJ
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PSJ

Are we just assuming everyone who fails to turn up when expected has been brutally murdered until we see data to refute it? Or is it the fact the Turks and CNN have told us it’s true that you find so persuasive?

mog
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“attack on one of their own”

…like those sociopathic, elitist egomaniacs who work in the media have solidarity with anyone.
All their relationships seem determined by sycophancy or supercilliousness.

Brutally Remastered
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Ouch! Too true.

Denis Hehir
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Denis Hehir

A possible motive or two for the widespread condemnation of KSA is simply money, a Saudi carcass is being circled by the vultures looking to make a killing on stock trading, and as KSA is looking to diversity its economy, the real elite (us whites) are now going to ruin them, as Trump said “let’s take their oil”. Good riddance.

Kathy
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Kathy

What ever the truth is. The fact that the media are all out over it and the fact as Catte points out. That as yet there is no evidence in the public arena to verify anything suggests that a level of cautious skepticism is a good thing. The anti Assad propaganda has been ramped up of late in the UK. BBCs panorama and Assad is a monster program for starters. A power struggle is under way and it looks as though a retreat of western illegal interference in Syria is going to have to happen soon.Hopefully Syria will be free… Read more »

frank
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frank
Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

Bellingcat is doing an article about Khashoggi’s murder, that’s always a warning sign

Jo
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Jo

Oh blimey! Are they going to say it was Putin?

John
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John

Accredited-times.com has already stated they think this is a Russian psyop! Two guesses who owns that website

Admin
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Admin

Be valuable to have a link for that if poss

Jen
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Jen

Thomas Peterson is right, Bellingcrap’s best and brightest 🙂 are onto the case already!
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2018/10/15/examining-cctv-videos-saudi-consulate-istanbul-connected-khashoggis-disappearance/

No doubt this tool-kit of theirs will come in handy:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BfLPJpRtyq4RFtHJoNpvWQjmGnyVkfE2HYoICKOGguA/edit

Michael Cromer
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Michael Cromer

Surely people realise how damaging these false stories can be – We have a National Team of Script Writers working from Westminster called the Government who make good money at this and we have never suspected that any of it was pure invention that was made up to dupe the masses.

summitflyer
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summitflyer

Yes of course ,we really don’t know if Khashoggi is dead and this could be a massage psy-op .But why and who benefits .The Saudis need to be reined in ,is all I know and feel about it . For their massive support of the jihadists in Syria , their continued bombing of civilians in Yemen,their beheadings of people in SA for protesting ,etc.etc. The atrocious war in Yemen must stop and if this a way to force them to do so , it would make me a content man.

Seamus Padraig
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Seamus Padraig

You assume that would be the purpose of any such ‘reigning in’. I see no evidence whatsoever that The Empire is displeased with the war in Yemen, for example. Isn’t Washington helping to arm the Saudis to fight Yemen? What if this is just about protecting the petro-dollar? Or what if this is jus the next phase of the Oded Yinon Plan? I once saw a Ralph Peters map showing virtually all the countries of the ME carved up into tiny, bite-sized pieces – including Saudi Arabia. What if …?

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

OT – Groaniad censorship.

Steve Bell’s ‘if’ strip from yesterday AND the editorial cartoon wasn’t put on the website. Just taking the piss out of McVey and her UC bollox. Why?
Often his work is put up in low resolution too to make it illegible.
Available at his own site http://www.belltoons.co.uk/hotoffpress

The pathetic censorship by La Viner, and the zio/spooky crowd at Kingspalace is hillarious.

I imagine that everytime Bell turns up in her office she ends up involuntarily twitching, gurning, blinking, foaming and generally losing it – like inspector Clouseaus poor boss!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IJz-Ngs5phY

Lol

kingfelix
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Yup, considering within last 12 months we saw that Ukraine episode with a guy coming back from the dead…