Khashoggi: a danse macabre & the New RealityTM

Catte Black

The New Reality and its merry jig

The Khashoggi incident continues to roll out in screaming headlines. The “confession” that the journalist died in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul is the latest twist, an indicator of the struggle to control narrative.

The manufactured crisis is being used not solely to demonise NATO’s erstwhile best buds, the house of Saud, but also to further isolate and discredit Trump in nice time for the November elections. Trump is currently being bashed by the Dems for doing what they and everyone else was doing a few weeks ago – viz cozying up to the mass-murderers and selling them weapons.

With shameless opportunism the same people who ignored the slaughter in Yemen as recently as a week ago are now appalled by it. Aware that the speed of the change might make them look like the sold-out moral blanks they actually are, Jonathan Freedland and Max Fisher (amongst others) are inventing vomit-inducing excuses for why they just hadn’t got round to noticing the dead children until the deep state told them to care.

They would be better off not trying. Some bits of soul-selling are beyond even the most sophistic attempts at rehabilitation.

The hypocrisy and short term memory loss currently on display is astounding, even by normal establishment/MSM standards. It’s a danse macabre. A horror show of painted corpses feigning life and love, reeking with sickly decay, nicely timed for Halloween.

The Saudis, and Trump, want this whole Khashoggi thing buried asap, and possibly think a quick fess up is the best way to do it. Whether or not it succeeds depends on the motives for creating the crisis in the first place, and how much leg work the Saudis and MBS have done behind the scenes to rehabilitate themselves in the empire’s eyes.

But let’s remember, the “confession” is no more reality-driven than anything else. It may be true. Sure. It may be completely 100% true. Or it may be entirely made up of convenience and back-pedalling. Or it may be any combination of these two opposites. We will likely never know for sure.

The fact it’s being reported, confessed, debated, analysed is not connected in any way to the question of its veridical reality.

That’s the real point, and not just about this.

The New RealityTM is an unending advertising campaign, a permanent promo reel, a PR push that never stops. No one involved is even concerned with verification or even remembers what that is. The lights are too bright. The money too good. The story self-perpetuating. The show really MUST go on. The corpses need to keep dancing. Forever.

Hard lesson. Hard to live by. Some people get annoyed and upset by it. But it’s still true.

OffG co-founding editor. Writer. Opinionated polemicist.

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JudyJ
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JudyJ

I’ve just looked at the CNN surveillance stills (posted earlier on Off Guardian’s Twitter feed) purportedly showing a Khashoggi body double wandering round publicly in Khashoggi’s clothes after the ‘murder’. I have to say that I was amused by the CNN comment attached to one of the pictures in which the ‘double’ appears to have subsequently discarded the Khashoggi attire: “According to a CNN facial recognition expert, he is no longer wearing a fake beard”. Good to know that those years of facial recognition training and experience haven’t been wasted.

Hilaire Belloc
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Hilaire Belloc

It looks like Khashoggi in a bad black toupée to me.

Just sayin

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

The question here is why the media establishment suddenly wants a regime change in Saudi Arabia. A regime change there certainly wouldn’t make any difference to the overall human rights picture; beheadings would no doubt continue.
so there must be another reason why they want to get rid of MBS.

Frankly Speaking
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Frankly Speaking

MBS disobeyed Washington by purchasing S-400s, they are retaliating.

tonyopmoc
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Nah, but I have been banned from Alternet, after posting there for 5 years, and today, from Craig Murray’s blog. It’s all my own fault. I do realise that some subjects and some moderator’s understanding do not like me, posting my words, which they sometimes find too much – too close to the truth. 9/11 blew my head off, cos I didn’t know what had happenned and I eventually get home from the other side of London, and my wife is crying. She was childminding two Beautiful Twin Girls a few months old. Their Grandmother was actually talking to the… Read more »

Jo
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Jo

@Tony
I “know” you from Craig’s blog. I don’t know if I’ve misunderstood but have you been banned from there? If you have I’m sorry to learn of it. I like your posts.

Seamus Padraig
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Seamus Padraig

I think I remember you from Alternet. I haven’t bothered with them in a couple of years now. I believe my old handle was ‘RaisingMac’. Anyway, good to see you here at Off-Graun.

tonyopmoc
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It seems I have been banned by a higher authority. This is not that unusual for me.

I do notice when my words are intercepted and never actually arrive. What did I say? I hope I didn’t upset anyone.

Here’s Bob

“Bob Marley – Exodus: Boston Music Hall 06/08/78”

Tony

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Admin

Do you mean by us? we certainly haven’t banned you or deleted any of your comments!

Our comments are being weirder than usual though. It’s the dratted Jetpack/Automatic software which we can’t currently do much about.

Apologies to all those affected. Trust me – you are NOT being censored, at least not by us.

tonyopmoc
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Admin, so far as I am aware, you have never banned me. It’s just that the quality of your articles, and most of your commenters well – they can write far better than me, so I normally just read, rather than write. I know quality when I see it.

Thank You,

Tony

tutisicecream
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Kit and Catte are quite right to raise questions about the MSM narrative regarding the disappearance of Khashoggi. It appears that it may have been a hacksaw job, but the MSM are having to cobble together some kind of hatchet job based on the drip feed from the intelligence services – who ever they might be… One thing which is clear is that we are entering into a period of time again where intelligence services are being seen to go increasingly rogue, outside the control of the political executive. There is a long history of this it’s not new but… Read more »

Donald Duck
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Donald Duck

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vexarb
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[Mailman here. Reposted from the Thylacine BTL today’s SyrPer] “Well, despite being bored to tears with this Khashogglio, I must relay the inimitable Pepe Escobar’s scoop EXCLUSIVE: THE JARED OF ARABIA-BONE SAW CONNECTION Once again my best House-of-Saud-connected source RE-CONFIRMED that Mohammed Bone Saw (MBS) received direct info on CIA assets in Saudi Arabia from his close whatsapp pal Jared of Arabia. Jared could only have access to this top secret info because of his high clearance. That led to the Ritz-Carlton jail saga – and other arrests. The CIA protégé Mohammed bin Nayef – who was previously made Crown… Read more »

Occam
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Occam

As I said before: Mohammed bin Salman went too far and is now trying to rescue the alliance with the US with this latest “admission”, trying to blame some underlings. (This was probably coordinated with the US.) In any case I still fail to believe the whole thing was orchestrated by the US to get rid of Mohammed bin Salman. The US does not want to get rid of Mohammed bin Salman. Saudi Arabia is their closes ally in the region (apart from Israel), has been for years and there is zero reason why this would now change. What the… Read more »

grandstand
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grandstand

I believe Catte’s view and that of Stonky (the commenter who used the term “orchestration”) and myself and others is not that “the whole thing” is orchestrated but that the response is, as we keep trying to explain. Why is the death of Khashoggi worth many more pages of print and statements by politicians than the death of a busload of Yemeni children was last week? As to the US dropping support for Saudi Arabia, there are several powerful factions at work in the US. While Trump seems, currently, to be trying support MbS as best he can, that is… Read more »

Johny Conspiranoid
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Johny Conspiranoid

How can we know what “most people in the UK” believe?

Occam
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Occam

Are you seriously questioning that 99% of the population does not swallow whole everything the mainstream media spews out? Just read the comments under their articles. Or talk to people outside of “our” bubble. I don’t read paper newspapers anymore but just the other day I had occasion to pick one up and it was propaganda misinformation front to back. Sickening. (And I’m not in he UK.) The Iraq war is a bad example imo. It certainly is encouraging that there were so many protests, but wars are “easy” things to be opposed to. However take the Skripal case for… Read more »

JudyJ
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JudyJ

I unwittingly carried out my own indirect mini ‘survey’ of neighbours a few months ago. Having written to my MP about various concerns regarding our Govt’s dangerous and baseless foreign policies (Russia and Syria specifically) I copied my letter to my 4 immediate neighbouring households (middle class, educated, professional, 2 car, 2.4 teenage/adult children families for want of a better description) along with an additional explanatory paper for their consumption giving more detailed background, on the assumption that they might not be fully conversant with the issues as they had busier lives than I do, and giving explicit reasons why… Read more »

BigB
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BigB

“How can we know what “most people in the UK” believe?” Individually, you can’t. There is no ‘average’ POV, and individuals can hold a contradictory range of views (without internal coherence). That said, you can get an inferred POV from a complex interactional system from its output …that which exists (which is systemically produced). So Grandstand is correct. There is an ideological information loop (or series of loops forming a hyperloop) which operates on the principle of GIGO. The MSM is a major input/output device (the loop works both ways as a reverse dialectic). You can’t fool all of the… Read more »

JudyJ
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JudyJ

BigB, I think the figure was nearer to 28.5%. My tongue is firmly in my cheek, of course! But you’re so right, as usual. I did a comparison of election results a while ago: In the UK in 2017 – 68% turnout; 42% of which voted Tory: equates to 28.5% of population of voting age In Syrian Presidential elections in 2014 – 73% turnout; 88% of which voted for ‘dictator’ Assad: equates to 64% of population of voting age But of course in order to discredit Assad’s victory we have to be told constantly that the elections must have been… Read more »

Jen
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Jen

A 73% turnout of the total eligible voter population is quite impressive too when you consider that in areas in Syria held by jihadists, voters could not participate in the 2014 Presidential elections for fear of being thumped at polling stations – assuming any were even available where they were – and in some countries, voters were actually prevented from going inside Syrian embassies and consulates to cast votes. So the participation rate in those elections could have been higher still.

JudyJ
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JudyJ

Indeed, Jen. In the majority of countries ex pat Syrians were allowed to vote but 12 countries embargoed the provision of voting facilities at Syrian Embassies for ex pats and refugees. It will come as no surprise that those countries were: Belgium, Canada, Egypt, France, Germany, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, UK and US.

JudyJ
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JudyJ

Sorry, it was getting late when I posted the above comment! “…10 countries…”

tonyopmoc
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BigB, When I got fired in 1980, I used FIFO, First in First Out, when I was on the dole, writing computer games in Assembler. My Commodore VIC only had 1K of memory, as would most people’s who might have wanted to buy my video games. There wasn’t a lot of space left for garbage. I love this website, and I think Catte is a total star. She cuts through all the nonsense, and doesn’t claim if she is right or wrong. She just writes her views brilliantly. I don’t know her real name, but I think we should make… Read more »

Donald Duck
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Donald Duck

Very complex question. What do the mass of people actually believe? Do they swallow the official line en mass, or not? Well in the instance of the Iraq and Vietnam War(s) clearly not; if anything by a protest march in London involving up to a million UK against the war meant anything, and also given the outcome of the Brexit and Trump vote. Moreover, the circulation of newspapers has been in some decline steadily since the 1950s. The same could be said about the activities and membership of political parties. This process seems set to continue. The true believers are… Read more »

grandstand
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grandstand

On Putin:

https://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2018/03/james-frayne-the-polling-shows-that-british-voters-harbour-a-deep-suspicion-of-putin-and-the-russian-state.html

On Syria it is harder to find a poll that specifically talks about whether chemical weapons were used by the Syrian government but this one suggests that attacking Syria for that reason is ok:

https://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/syria-intervention-boosts-uk-s-conservatives-in-polls-1.723487

Other polls, seem contradictory on this issue – with a majority of those with an opinion opposing air strikes.

If I am wrong on these, I will be delighted!

Jen
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Jen

Polling is not necessarily a good gauge of public opinion. Survey questions can be framed in such a way (as in the good old standard, “Are you still beating your wife?” or “Which do you prefer – a medicine that kills 200 out of 600 outright and heals the rest; or a medicine that has 2/3 probability of curing the disease?”) that respondents can feel pressured to choose one option over another when they prefer the other option. Quite often there may be ulterior motives on the part of the pollsters, or the people or organisations who commission them to… Read more »

Yarkob
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Yarkob

polls. really? you’d base a geopolitical decision or position on polls. good luck with that. we all saw how accurate polls were the last two or three times they were pushed to the fore. nobody polled me, nor anyone i know. And conservative home? really? is that the mind of the british people or a mildly reactionary rag published by a failed politico who then became a born again christian?

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

‘Many ‘born again Christians’ would actually welcome a thermo-nuclear war, to hasten the End Times, and the great war with Gog and Magog (Russia and China).

grandstand
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grandstand

Incidentally there is a good piece by Weiss over on MW about Israel’s position re this event. It seems to be more complicated than usual. As always there are some intelligent comments (eg by Harry Law) and some inane ones. It appears that, as of today, Israel and its supporters in the US are trying to have it both ways.

https://mondoweiss.net/2018/10/lobbyists-khashoggi-terrorist/

Occam
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Occam

How is it complicated? They’re calling the dead journalist a terrorist.

axisofoil
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It is quite possible that the Khashoggi hysteria is cover for something like what is discussed below,,,,,,,,,,
Why is the US media not responding to this?

Occam
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Occam

The US broke the agreement not to expand NATO.
The US dropped out of the ABM treaty (Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty).
The US has been building missile bases in Europe across the border with Russia.
The US has been upgrading their nuclear weapons.
The US is now threatening to drop out of the INF (Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces treaty).

There is a lot the US mainstream media is not talking about.

jonny
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jonny

Totally agree occam, concisely put. Yesterday I had the misfortune of reading an article (either BBC or independent) stating how it was Russia that were breaking conventions by developing medium range missiles. Never a word said about how they are simply responding to the US mobilising near their border, and dropping out of treaties. Russia is more concerned with defensive measures and technologies. That is a problem, any nation that is on the target list is not meant to be able to defend itself against the US and its band of cronies.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

At EVERY stage of the Cold War, that NEVER ended, against both Russia/Soviet Union and China, the Satanic psychopaths of Thanatopolis DC have been the aggressors, yet the lying vermin of the Western fakestream media always blame the victims. Our fate was sealed long ago.

Frankly Speaking
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Frankly Speaking

Exactly Mulga.

Macabre world order
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Macabre world order

“The suspects went and ate dinner at the Saudi consul-general’s residence after murdering and dismembering Khashoggi inside the consulate”

Did they .. eat him (i mean his cut up pieces)?

Jen
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Jen

You would hope they remembered to wash their hands before sitting down to eat.

grandstand
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grandstand

It seems to fit very well. I believe Catte’s view (apologies if I am wrong, Catte) is that this story is being given far more airtime that it might warrant when compared with many other atrocities that are going on – often in our name as members of Western countries or at least with our connivance. As Catte says: “The fact it’s being reported, confessed, debated, analysed is not connected in any way to the question of its veridical reality.” Whether or not it happened and whether or not Khashoggi was/is a nasty piece of work are not the “agenda”… Read more »

grandstand
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grandstand

This was a response to “donald”.

donald
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donald

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/jamal-khashoggi-saudi-had-online-13451129

How does this fit into the off guardian “agenda”..?

mog
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Why are all the most disreputable sources of establishment hearsay, now, suddenly deemed eminently reliable and quotable by some of their fiercest critics?
E.g. Galloway tweets link to WaPo article as if its gospel.
It is like a giant game of Cluedo playing out on the medianet.

Colonel Mustard did it in the embassy with the bonesaw<<
…or did he ?

Tags : Trumpian double bluff fake fake news deep state irregular psywar

Eurasia News Online
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Eh, just another murderer and friend of the “west” made a little mistake. Can you name just ONE friend of the “west” that was decent by any measure? Surely NOT. At the same time your “west” (or your UK to be direct) have declared Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela terrorists before starting to celebrate them. You folks are embarrassment to humanity (the whole lot of you from the “five eyes”)

mark
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mark

Another very good article from Catte, straight to the point.
Am I the only one who wonders where the body is? Why the fiancée/ family aren’t demanding the body back to give him a decent burial?
Why haven’t these incriminating tapes of the murder been produced or leaked? Do they exist? Is Erdogan just holding them back in exchange for a few billion from the Shadies?
Does all this make sense to everybody except me?

Jo
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Jo

@ Mark No, you’re not the only one wondering these things. It’s fascinating and intriguing that Turkey has provided so much information and absolute detail about what took place yet, somehow, the disposal of the body and its location have not been mentioned. As yet we’ve only heard claims by Turkey of course. It remains to be seen when Mr E will disclose the evidence. Mostly tho’, my biggest question is about Khashogi. Given his wide and detailed knowledge of this regime and all it was capable of….what on earth possessed him to even set foot in that place?

Frankly Speaking
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Frankly Speaking

“The manufactured crisis is being used not solely to demonise NATO’s erstwhile best buds, the house of Saud, but also to further isolate and discredit Trump in nice time for the November elections.” FFS Catte, what are you smoking? Khashoggi WAS murdered: real not manufactured. MSB bought Russian S-400 missiles, that’s what’s upset the Yanks: real not manufactured. MSB: threatened the security of Turkey with his ISIS headchoppers, that’s what’s upset Erdogan: real not manufactured. MSB’s drawing more attention of investors than Israel, that’s what’s upset Lindsay and his masters: : real not manufactured. MBS will most likely be replaced,… Read more »

Stonky
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Stonky

Seriously, Frankly Speaking, there is a small linguistic difference between “the fabricated killing” and “the manufactured crisis”. But there is a whole world of difference in meaning.

If you genuinely can’t tell the difference between the two, then I suggest you refrain from commenting until you can. There are already more than enough posters on this site who consciously and constantly go out of their way to misrepresent what the ATL authors have actually said, so they can then go on to slay the strawman they have just created. Please don’t add to their numbers.

Frankly Speaking
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Frankly Speaking

Yes i can tell the difference between the two, but in the case of Khashoggi i don’t agree. I’ll not accept from you that i am trying to misrepresent what Catte is saying, i simply don’t quite agree with her viewpoint on the Khashoggi incident and the reasons for the MSM reaction to it. I’m actually not a million miles away from her.

mrmicardo
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Most likely the murder is real. Khashoggi’s and that of many Yemenites. What is manufactured is the crisis.

Admin
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Admin

From Catte, who isn’t logged in:

“The crisis is not the event. The event may or may not have happened, but it only became a crisis because the deep state and its media treated it like one.

Had they chosen not to do so it would have passed us by crisis-free, like the suspicious deaths of other journos we fail to hear about. But Khashoggi would be no more and no less dead.

Because the event and the crisis manufactured around it are different entities

Why is this relatively simple concept so hard for some to grasp?”

Frankly Speaking
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Frankly Speaking

Catte, I gave at least three reasons as to why the MSM would turn Khashoggi into a crisis. The MIC will not forgive MBS for buying S-400s. They’d be more than happy to see the decision reversed and even MBS replaced to the CIAs favourite prince instead. That in itself is enough to highlight this incident as a crisis. Erdogan has no love for MBS, he’s potentially an existential threat to him or his country as MBS directs ISIS northwards into Turkey. His decision to release the gory details was picked up by media worldwide as journalists were appalled by… Read more »

grandstand
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grandstand

Totally agree and with Maria below!

Maria
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Maria

“Because the event and the crisis manufactured around it are different entities”

My take on this exactly.

No doubt the aims of the manufactured crisis surrounding this event will become clearer in time but I doubt we will ever know the truth of what happened to Khashoggi. So many have been horrified by the apparent murder and dismembering of his body… so many that also never give a second thought or even acknowledgement to the millions of men women and children who have and are being dismembered alive by bombs, terrorist attacks and drones in their own homes and streets.

BigB
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BigB

Excellent observations, Catte. My money is still on the geo-economics of NEOM: MBS’ silicone pleasure palace, his libidinal AI-Xanadu in the desert …a possible terminal for the ‘digital’ BRI on route to Europe. Its all part of his $500bn Vision 2030 to diversify from oil. There is the oil (the Aramco IPO, if it ever happens); and the S-400. Which goes to show, you can kill as many Yemeni schoolchildren as you like: so long as you use Lockheed Martin and Raytheon weaponry to do it. You can also behead as many female apostates (that is peace activists) as you… Read more »

John Marks
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John Marks

Last week the Saudis, flying American planes and using British bombs, destroyed a schoolbus packed with Yemeni children. Not a peep of this was reported in MSM.
But we have wall-to-wall headlines for days over the murder of a Saudi dissident in Turkey.
What’s going on?
This contrast reveals the true message that western governments are trying to push down our throats, using their lying press.

Yarkob
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Yarkob

and a few days after that they did it again, with a wedding party. they’ve been creating famine conditions fir the last 5 years, and that’s been reported in tiny little box outs in the corporate media, yet nothing is done. it doesn’t matter. nobody does anything anymore. the days of people standing outside embassies with placards went the way of the thatcher dodo

James Porteous
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Thank you Catte (and Off-Guardian) for helping readers like me to zero in on the overall dimensions of this story.

I dismissed The Salisbury Spy Scandal out of hand from the get-go, but this one was something of a honey trap and my gut reaction was to take it at face value.

But now that I have ‘stepped back,’ as it were, I realize how lucky we are to have the petri dish that is Khashoggi and Skripal.

tubularsock
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“Not in reality”. How can you expect “reality” when “reality” has NEVER been “real” in the first place?

The smorgasbord-of-reality is what we have going down here and it has ALWAYS been so.

It’s the hors d’oeuvres that ALWAYS suck you in!