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Demands (to Save the World)

Eddison Flame

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Any good movement needs a list of demands, so I resolved to come up with one. Of course, for now anyway, these are just my demands, but I hope they will inspire others to either share them, reorder them, or come up with other demands of their own.

Really, it would be ideal if we could have a public vote about these things. I don’t mean a local governmental vote, but a global public vote. We need to get on the same page globally so we can prioritize what needs to be done. Sure, it may be that we don’t all agree about all the same things, but maybe we all do agree on some things. If we could just determine exactly what these things are, then we could work on a plan to fix them.

So, and this is really an aside from the main point of this article, what we need is a system with a few particular features. First, accounts should be verifiable (such that each account is verifiable as a real person). Second, people should be able to post issues that they believe need to be addressed, and people should be able to vote to prioritize which issues are most important to them. And third, people should be able to propose solutions to the issues which people are able to vote on and prioritize as well.

If these three features were available to us, the people, on a global scale, what, really, could stop a global revolution from happening. Surely we would be able to identify some issues that everyone agrees need solving. Surely we could agree on ways to solve those issues. What else is there?

Anyway, without further ado, my list of demands:

1. End War

I hate war. Normally I don’t use that word, hate, but in this case, I mean it. I really hate war. I hate that we are helping to starve people to death in Yemen, (sanction is a form of warfare folks). I hate that we are frequently blowing up innocent children with our oh-so-smart bombs. I hate all the false pretenses and all the petty explanations people give for why we need to be waging war all over the world. I hate all the wasted money that goes to funding war that could be used for countless other incomparably better things in this county. I hate every part of it, and I want it to end.

So that’s it. My number one “issue” is War, and my first demand, what I demand of any government that would have my support, is that it does not wage war. That’s not to say it doesn’t defend its own people. If a country is under attack, and I mean literally being invaded, then I can’t fault the people for defending their loved ones, but definitely no making war. No making war on other countries for any reason.

I should add that this includes having and threatening to use nuclear weapons. Just having an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) is an act of war because it is threatening total annihilation against any and all other nations.

Of course, denuclearization should be done in a smart way that makes everyone feel safe. It should start with an agreement among all nations that hostilities must end, which includes assurances that no country will use any nuclear weapons against anyone else under any circumstances. Then the denuclearization process should begin with countries destroying or disassembling their nuclear warheads simultaneously and fairly. Countries with many more nukes should disassemble most of theirs until finally every country has only 100 nukes left, then ten, then 1, and then, finally, none.

Regarding ending war in general. I propose a simple policy: all soldiers should return to their homes. That’s it. A simultaneous exodus of all fighters everywhere back to their homes. If you’re already home, but you’re fighting a war, so be it. If you’re in another country fighting a war, go home. (Oh, and just for clarity’s sake, being on “international waters” but off the cost of another country in a giant warship is still waging war. Warships need to go home too.)

2. Take Care of Everyone

There is no such thing as an undeserving person, and there are resources enough on this planet to ensure that everyone has enough to eat and a place to stay.

How do we pay for it? How about with the hundreds of billions of dollars we will save when we end war?

Whatever the case, nobody should be left on the street to starve or freeze to death. This should be our policy. Maybe we don’t succeed at first, but at least make it a goal. If we don’t succeed at first, we can keep trying to find better ways to take care of everyone. This should be our priority when designing policy.

Furthermore, every effort should be made to keep people healthy. It may be, from time to time, that one medical treatment or another is unavailable to some people. This is understandable. Maybe it’s new, or the resources just haven’t been made widely available for everyone yet. That’s fine. But by and large, we can make good healthcare available to everyone for free. This may be a notch above food and housing, but it is still essential.

How do we pay for it? See above. The same principles apply. If we can’t afford it from the hundreds of billions we have saved on war, then we simply make it a priority and we do everything we can to make it happen.

3. Live Sustainably: Take Care of the Environment

Planet earth is our home. We need to take care of it. We need to examine all our policies and end practices that are unsustainable in the long term. I’m not an expert in the field of sustainability, but I know that what we’re doing now isn’t working. We are destroying the rain forests, species are dying at an alarming rate, we’re pumping toxic sludge into our water sources all over the world. These practices must end.

Maybe that means rethinking and reengineering supply chains. Maybe that means restructuring agricultural practices. Maybe that means we don’t ship foods ridiculously long distances, (even if we can’t eat strawberries in January anymore). Maybe we have to rethink a lot of societal practices that have become convenient, but are damaging to the environment.

Whatever the case, this is my third and final essential demand. We owe it to our children to keep the planet healthy and safe. We owe it to them, and we owe it to our children’s children and to all the generations that come after as well.

These are my demands. They may not be perfect. True, I haven’t worked out all the details yet, but I think as a community, a global community, we can work out the details.

You know, the other day I heard someone refer to the Millennials as ‘the lost generation’. I’m a Millennial, so it makes me sad to imagine that mine could be a lost generation. I decided that I’m not going to buy into that narrative.

Millennials aren’t the lost generation. The Baby Boomers, the generation that have been destroying this planet, living hedonistic lives, totally unconcerned with the future of their children or their grand children, they are the lost generation. The Millennials will be the generation that finally stood up. The Millennials will be the hero generation, the generation that saved the planet. That’s my narrative. Don’t write off the Millennials yet, there is still time for us to become leaders in a movement to save the world.

God Bless,
Eddison Flame


  1. Kathy says

    Love to all,
    Peace for all,
    Compassion with all,
    Mindfulness in all,
    mutual consideration and communication of all,
    If we can learn to tread lightly on the earth,
    Each an individual. All as one,
    The dreaming,s of the dreamers could become our reality,.
    Blessed be.

  2. axisofoil says

    Can anyone here see how all the energy in this dialog might accomplish more if focused on ONE DEMAND?
    The cliff is near folks. What stands in the way of our stepping on the brakes? The driver is drunk. Citizens arrest?
    Oh, right, he’s heavily armed,extremely violent and hates you……. Plan B

    In the link below, if one scrolls to the bottom, [not far] you will see on that foot ball field, what constitutes just about 40% of what the Pentagon misplaced during the lunch break. Hmmmmm think they spent it all at Comet Ping Pong?


  3. A civilization based upon greed, personal wealth accumulation, mass violence, and disregard for the earth’s life support systems is not a civilization that will be around indefinitely. It’s poison pills are built right into such a system through it’s values an mythologies.

    This quote from Native American activist and artist John Trudell sums up a rather straightforward but profound truth Western civilization has lost touch with: (“Our bones, flesh and blood are made up of the metals, liquids and minerals of the earth and everything on this planet is made up of the same things.”)

    – In other words we are all simply physical manifestations of mother earth. We literally “are” mother earth. We come from the earth and we return to the earth – no matter our politics, no matter our skin color, no matter our religious beliefs, no exceptions.

    It would seem that the simple awareness of this rather straightforward physical fact should carry with it a quite profound sense of connection to the earth, and a much deeper appreciation of the interconnection of everything on the planet than it actually does for most people. Eddison Flame’s 3 suggestions make perfect sense to me given the simple inescapable and I think rather beautiful reality of our common origin, common burial grounds, and our inescapable interconnections to not only each other, but to everything else living and non-living on planet earth.

  4. BigB says

    The world suffers for displaced and deferred wholeness. This is no secret, but it is hidden in plain sight, within common knowledge, and mystified by, what amounts to propagandic dualism. It should be incontrovertible and uncontentious that everything exists in consciousness: as ‘appearance only’ (vijnapti-matrata; citta-matra; vijnanavada). But in the face of a assertively hegemonic dualist narrative – which is a linguistic construction only – it is an uncommon and largely unacceptable assertion to make. Latterly, within the last thirty years only, it is an increasingly scientifically verified knowing …particularly via the Santiago Theory of Consciousness, Dynamic Systems Theory (DST), and the burgeoning ’embodied’ theories of the interdisciplinary Cognitive Sciences and psychology. There is little to support the common view that we somehow re-present a mind independent external reality – i.e. dualistic knowing. We manifest nondual reality: just as that reality manifests us – as co-creational, inter-subject of reflexive awareness (the awareness of awareness). Buddhists call this ‘pratitya samutpada’ – which I transliterate to ‘symbiogenesis’. This is the whole of the Dharma. “To understand pratitya samutpada, is to understand Dharma”. It is the only realisation necessary to change the world.

    The whole of the truth is the truth of the whole.

    Is this a utopian dream? It might seem so, but it is how living systems work – through (autopoietic) interdependent interbeing; nestled within an interdependence of interbeing; and so on cosmologically. It might seem a million light years away, but it is happening around and within us every thought-moment of every intersubjective and autonomous millisecond of everyday. The Life-realiy is what happens when we are busy thinking of other things. Those ‘other things’ (karmically) collectively manifest in war, inequality, selfishness, and voraciously unsustainable systemically violent unsustainable living. Life misrecognising life – segregating it outside the living existential – is all it takes for oppression to set in.

    It is not something to get back: because it has not gone. Nor is it something to get to, by following a set of goal orientated (teleological) tasks. Nor yet is it fully realisable here and now. To realise pratitya samutpada at the integrated systems and society level is the cultural aporia millenials will face. To do it: we must all turn our consciousness to the life-continuum together. Call it the ‘revolution at the base of consciousness’ …or just turning into peace. Peace.

    • Gezzah Potts says

      BigB: the interconnectedness of all sentient beings, of nature, of the whole, as one. Its so easy to forget and become blind to the beauty all round us, and within us, when we are continuously bombarded with ads and ‘news’ and a million distractions, and pretty much struggling to keep our heads above water, trying not to be crushed by ‘The System’. Being in touch with nature helps ground me, whether it’s a tree or clouds or sitting by a stream or even just watching birds fluttering about. The Way – what is, is.

      • BigB says


        Me too. The world is connected, unique and perfect as it is. The world is disconnected, oppressive, and destined to systemic failure. I try to limit my exposure to the latter view, keeping away from most media, even the internet. Apart from immersion in Nature, I find Tai Chi helps limit the conceptual thinking. The Way – what is, is.

        Beside which the Way is the only force capable of correcting our excessively violent and aberrant behaviour. We will not change willingly, too much vested interest in non-change, we may well be persuaded …hopefully gently. But then we are being less and less gently informed that our collective behaviour is ultimately destructive …and yet we carry on. Perhaps we should all be immersed in Nature and learn to follow its Way? While we still can.

    • Nixon Scraypes says

      Perhaps, one day when everyone or at least someone can understand what you are saying, you’ll get your wish.

  5. Narrative says

    In this category:

    2. Take Care of Everyone

    We need an area, let’s say on the Internet, where strictly unbiased HEALTH information is available for everyone. The security of such information must be defended on equal footing with defending national security (of course, lots of threats to national security are fake and self-engineered, but that’s another point).

    Medical doctors like everybody else need this unbiased health information because these days their knowledge is screwed by:
    – Big Pharma lobbyists
    – Government guidelines
    – Education that is corrupted by Big Pharma and Governments

    “Make Unbiased Health Information Available and Sacredly Protected from Corruption!”

  6. Narrative says

    “people should be able to post issues that they believe need to be addressed, and people should be able to vote to prioritize which issues are most important to them”

    This is an ideal application for the Internet. It is also one of the simplest tasks for networked computers to achieve and excel at. This what can bring (or could have brought) democracy to the masses.

    Alas, the Internet matured far too quickly. [Mainstream] Internet became dominated by vested interests very quickly, by the rich, by the oligarchs, to the detriment of the powerless majority.

    Furthermore, I guess most people totally and heartily want a) peace and b) enhance the well-being of our fellow humans. However, due to monumental artificially engineered distractions, ordinary people are losing the capacity to effect a significant change in the world.

    Democratise the Internet Now!

  7. Hugh O says

    The immortal words of JFK: “For in the final analysis, we all share the same small planet. We breathe the same air. We cherish our children’s future. And we are all mortal”.

    Such words continue to inspire because their truth is inarguably simple. Truth and Reconciliation can give hope for a better world, and we need to remember those leaders who spoke the truth and why they died. Let not their lives nor deaths be in vain: https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/01/19/kennedy-king-families-to-congress-reopen-probes/

    • Yarkob says

      I prefer Carl Sagan’s “version” (after seeing the Earth from Voyager in deep space) as it puts a bit more perspective on it. Less self-indulgent, perhaps, but the sentiment is the same.
      We only got’s one world.

      ““Look again at that dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every “superstar,” every “supreme leader,” every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there-on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

      The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.

      Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

      The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

      It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we’ve ever known.”

  8. Robyn says

    Coincidence, more or less my precise thoughts. Just this morning I reduced my wish list to three:


    Arguing labels such as left, right, socialist, communist, neocon, etc. is a pointless waste of time and energy.
    (And please don’t write off all Baby Boomers.)

    • Badger Down says

      I’ve been giving those three reasons, plus two more, for decades when asked, “Why vegan?”:
      Good for my health
      Good for animals
      Make killing less usual: Peace
      Good for environment: Planet
      Better for People

      Being vegan doesn’t solve everything (plastics and nukes, for example), but it’s a giant step in the right direction.

      • Toby Russell says

        Gets my vote.

        I see veganism as the process of ending exploitation of Other. There’s a lot to do in us as humans variously addicted to all sorts of unhealthy, habituated distractions. And there’s a lot to do structurally in terms of institutions, paradigm, governance and commerce. But committing to learn how to not exploit Other in all our actions – the vegan path – will lead steadily, necessarily even, to far healthier outcomes for all.

      • Toby says

        [Reposting this. I’ve been unable to comment at Off-G the last few times I tried.]

        Gets my vote.

        I see veganism as the process of ending exploitation of Other. There’s a lot to do in us as humans variously addicted to all sorts of unhealthy, habituated distractions. And there’s a lot to do structurally in terms of institutions, paradigm, governance and commerce. But committing to learn how to not exploit Other in all our actions – the vegan path – will lead steadily, necessarily even, to far healthier outcomes for all.

    • I don’t believe in coincidence, so no, I don’t think so.

      Regarding Labels: Their strategy is to divide and conquer, so ours must be to unite and overcome. Forgiveness is also a powerful response to their divide and conquer strategy. If we can shrug off past wrongs like water off our backs, then we will stay united and focused on the real enemy we are facing.

      Regarding baby boomers: I may have worded that a bit too strongly. It is unfair to put all the blame on boomers for what has happened. They were mostly taken unaware. They were simply not paying attention. Actually, they were actively propagandized. They’re attention was focused elsewhere while the country was steered down so many dark paths. Mostly I wanted to inspire millennials to keep their head up, that we’re not ‘lost’ yet.

      • axisofoil says

        Thanks for giving the boomers a break.
        We were born into the storm of self righteousness we were told we deserved. How could we know it was based on a false premise and lies? There was an overwhelming agreement. We were compelled in our nurtured arrogance to build this dominating monstrosity. The psychopaths among us naturally rose to the top of a hierarchy built on greed. We in the working class have given our faith, trust, backs, blood and lives. We were made fools. Surviving to face the depths of our complicity in this charade, and the realization of our apathetic indifference to the lives of others and our home, is quite an awakening.

  9. One demand is all that is necessary. One…. NO PROFITS OF WAR…. Period.

    Let’s look at the motivating value of an activity that is self perpetuating by default. Greed.
    Greed is blind and powerful. It has no soul. It knows us well. It feeds our selfishness while starving our humanity, yet it survives only with our complicity. We have allowed ourselves to descend to a level where we lower the flag to half mast for a known mass murderer!
    Greed wants our debate fractured, distracted and contentious. It fears truth. If we are to penetrate this construct and expose it for the benefit of all mankind, what better place to start than with it’s most violent arm. All focus on one spot. One demand.
    Endangered species will do much better without carpet bombing…..One demand.

    War is an activity that financially drains us, rips out our values and our hearts, and when rationalized, leaves us without rationality. The mere spectacle of war and it’s machinery of death being casually accepted or enthusiastically applauded, decimates the morality to debate any other topic. This is by design.
    There is a problem….Until we come to value the lives of others as much as our own, there will be no good future for anyone, and we don’t deserve it. What we currently have is exactly what we deserve.
    If we finally come to care………One demand. Only one.



  10. bevin says

    ” it would be ideal if we could have a public vote about these things…a global public vote. We need to get on the same page globally so we can prioritize what needs to be done. Sure, it may be that we don’t all agree about all the same things, but maybe we all do agree on some things. If we could just determine exactly what these things are, then we could work on a plan to fix them.”

    The great problem here is that of language. Billions of the most important people in the world- from whom we never hear- can’t read. And those who can do so in a thousand languages and discrete dialects. This is one of the problems with such a minor project as a European Federation: the people who matter most are never heard from. And what communications there are will inevitably be brokered by intellectuals- notoriously self serving, open to corruption and arrogant. Take the EU, for example…
    In reality, and to have any chance of producing anything more than demagogue’s mandates, the process, not merely desirable but crucial to our survival, has to begin at the grass roots level and grow into social movements and democratically organised parties. And they have to begin by promoting practical measures.
    For example, the first step to making peace is to bring under public ownership and control all armaments manufacture and sale- nationalise any firm which sells arms. Similarly the Pharmaceutical industries must also be brought under democratic control, and the sting of the profit motive removed from them.
    Both these measures would require the building of strong workplace organisations within the industries involved .

  11. Kerry F says

    Thank you very much. If we took care of these three things the rest would fall into place.
    We’ve been hoodwinked into thinking that change is really complicated. it isn’t, but we need to commit and do it.

  12. Eddison Flame, sounds like a made-up BS name to me, is full of **it.
    “species are dying at an alarming rate…”

    Name some, blowhard.

    John Doran.

    • Kenneth Lindemere says

      Since 1900, nearly 500 species of animal have gone extinct, according to a 2015 study. A few from the list: passenger pigeon, golden toad, carolina parakeet, heath hen, Tasmanian tiger, Caspian tiger, Pyrenean ibex, Caribbean monk seal, western black rhinoceros, Pinta Island tortoise…

      • Cite the study, please, or your claims are baseless.

        A perspective from the science writer for The Times & author of The Rational Optimist, which I enjoyed:

        OR, put title in search box: Matt Ridley on how Fossil Fuels are Greening the Planet
        19 mins, well spent.

        Since 1500 AD, not counting Islands, 9 species have become extinct.
        A huge threat to our environment is the inhuman policy of processing food into biofuels.

        John Doran.

          • On the greening issue, the data are clear, as long-term satellite measures show:

            I know alarmists hate good news about CO2, but primarily it’s plant food, not a pollutant.

            On the livingplanetindex, I find these anonymous claims of over half Earth’s animal kingdom having become extinct since 1970 as totally ridiculous as the 1972 claims made by The Limits To Growth report, or the Brit equivalent Blueprint For Survival, which I read in 1972, when I was 19.
            Oil was to run out by 1992, copper by 1993, & on & on & on. Pure scare porn.

            John Doran.

              • As long as we’re afraid, that’s all the 1%s want.
                They don’t give a toss whether we’re afraid of cold or warming, & they don’t give a toss whether our fears are based in facts or hype: as long as we’re afraid & demanding more big govt intervention.


                Click on Quotes, look for H.L. Mencken’s

                John Doran.

            • On the subject of extinctions:
              there have been 5 major (more than 50% of species lost) & numerous minor mass extinctions.
              99.9% of all species that have ever existed in planet Earth are now extinct.
              The Earth has had vegetation only about 10% of its life, 470Mln yrs.
              The dinosaur extinction at 65Mln yrs ago was caused by volcanic activity, not asteroid impact at Chicxulub in Mexico.
              Global warming produces a thriving of life, not extinction, as shown during the Mesozoic & especially the Cretaceous.
              The only extinctions associated with climate change are those during the Younger Dryas, an extremely cold period, approx 12,000 years ago, within our present warm interglacial, which started approx 15,000 years ago. Cold kills.

              There’s plenty more: pages 175 to 199 of Prof. Ian Plimer’s great book:
              Heaven and Earth, global warming: the missing science.
              There are over 130 peer-reviewed papers etc, including Jared Diamond’s interesting book, Guns, Germs & Steel.

              John Doran.

        • Doran, Lindemere has accepted your challenge and named some. Go on, prove him wrong or pocket your glove!

      • It makes one wonder where all those species came from in the first place, and how the loss of each specie effects the ecological balance.Unless there is a specific purpose other than the inherent right to life from having evolved and survived until this point, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Brown Recluse take a hike. Then again, based on that reasoning, we are the ones who should get the boot.

      • The countercurrents crap starts with the 97% consensus lie & goes downhill from there.

        Climatologist Dr. Tim Ball declares openly in his little gem of a book that this claim was “concocted” from the fraudulent work of Naomi Oreskes & the incompetent cartoonist John Cook of SkeptikalScience.
        The actual figure is 0.3%. Page 13.
        If Dr. Tim was wrong in his claims, these clowns would have him in court in an instant.

        Book: Human Caused Global Warming, the Biggest Deception In History.
        Only 121 pages show how the worthy cause of environmentalism has been hijacked & perverted by such as the bankster Rockefellers & their multibillionaire cronies like George Soros. Many more names are named.

        website: http://www.drtimball.ca

        John Doran.

        • Doran, Badger has accepted your challenge and named another one. Still waiting for you to prove him wrong — or eat your glove!

        • @Doran re Timball Link. I checked the graph on your Link which shows Upper Air Temp going down in 1995. Dr.Timball is doing what he accused “Another Climate Change Propagandist” of doing; he “cherry picked” his timeframe. Below is a Link to all the data between 1980 and 2018 (and it includes the timespan cherry-picked by Dr.Timball in Doran’s Link). The complete graph shows a steady rise of approx 3/4 deg over the past 4 decades.


          • I used to trust RSS, but no longer do. Dr. Mears seems to now be shading his results to conform more closely with the false warming narrative, for whatever reason(s).
            The best satellite data results are now from Dr. Roy Spencer’s UAH (University of Alabama at Huntsville) with Dr. John Christy.

            As I understand the progression of global temperatures, The Medieval Warm Period lasted ~ 400 years, was pre-industrial, thus cannot be blamed on industrial man, & was warmer than now, as were the Roman & Minoan Warm periods.

            The MWP was followed by about 500 years of the Little Ice Age, ending ~1850ish. Warming then followed, culminating in the “dust bowl era” Steinbeck wrote of in The Grapes of Wrath. Most govt agencies have wiped the 1930s from history, in true Orwellian/Stalinist fashion, to make the late 20th century warming look more dramatic.
            From ~1945 to ~1875 there was global cooling, with global warming from ~1980 to 1998.
            This is why alarmists try to cherry pick periods starting 1880 & 1980: known cool points which will show a rising temp. trend.

            1998 was an El Nino event: a (periodic & probably volcanic) warming of the Pacific ocean, which has nowt to do with mankind’s production of CO2.

            Since 1998 there has been no stastistically significant warming, notwithstanding the RSS graph.

            1998 was also the year that Mann, Bradley & Hughes issued their ridiculous paper which attempted the most egregious fraud of trying to wipe the MWP & The Little Ice Age from history. The fraud factory UN IPCC adopted Mann et al’s farcical fraud with glee until worldwide laughter forced them to retract.
            may I suggest you research sites such as wattsupwiththat
            to check my statements.
            Prove me wrong on any one statement & I’ll pay you £20.
            John Doran.

      • No indication whatever that this apparent extinction was in any way related to the activities of man or man’s production of CO2.

    • TriggerHappy? says

      “full of **”

      We used get CIA lackeys and their friends claiming wars are a fact of life and also claimed that peace is a childish fantasy. You seem to agree with them too, don’t you?

        • Fair dinkum says

          Garbage in = Garbage out.
          Whether it’s fossil fuels, DDT, heavy metals, glyphosate, nuclear waste, PCBs, asbestos, nicotine, alcohol, or dead animal tissue.
          And Ian Plimer’s delusional muttterings.
          Take a stroll around Beijing and breathe in the toxic smog.
          Goodbye tomorrow.

          • axisofoil says

            I don’t know anything about this Plimer character but the rationalwiki link seemed a bit one sided. Apparently this guy has ruffled some feathers.So much information. It’s getting difficult to sort it all out. Even if you do then what have you got? A couple of piles.Then what? If AI is assimilating all this – which it must be.It is going to get rid of us all at the first opportunity.

            • Try his brilliant book: Heaven and Earth.
              Plimer is heavily attacked because, IMHO, he effectively disproves the ridiculous notion that man-made CO2, (less than 4% of total atmospheric CO2) is a major climate driver.

              John Doran.

          • @ Fair Dinkum, HAHAHAHAHA.

            You complain of garbage then post complete garbage.
            The whole rationalwiki article is one long ad hom attack devoid of a single useful fact. Value: ZERO.

            Plimer’s great book has a section by Lord Monckton, who the fat fraud Al Gore resolutely refuses to face in debate. Plimer’s book is also included in the further reading section of Dr. Tim Ball’s great little book.
            None of these guys are fools.

            Al Gore’s film contains 35 “errors of fact” as the Brit judge so politely said.
            This rises to 60 mis-statements if one includes exaggerations.

            As falsification, ie disproof is the method of scientific advancement of knowledge, I issue you a challenge:
            Disprove 35 statements in Plimer’s book or show 25 exaggerations, & I will pay you £20. With ~ 500 pages & ~2,000 peer-reviewed ref’s, you have plenty to work with.

            Or are you only good for the mindless ad hom attack?
            Pure sh1te-nasty left wing Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals tactics, your limit?

            John Doran.

  13. It certainly makes one wonder when the huge issues rightly noted by Eddison Flame are never mentioned by the world’s so-called “leaders”…

  14. fritzi cohen says

    I am in total agreement with Eddison flame’s priorities. But its easier for me to think locally rather than globally.
    I used to think globally and although philosophically thats correct, its not a successful strategy for political change

    • Fritzi, one needs both Global Vision and Political Change; both Top Down and Bottom Up, as in computer programming.

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