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What “community standards” did this comment breach? #18

The following comment – posted to twitter by Craig Murray – was censored by The Guardian. Which of the well-publicised CiF “community standards” did they breach?

Removed comment, posted under this live news feed earlier today:

Screen shot of where it used to be:

For those of you unfamiliar with the video Craig linked to, or the story connected with it: In 2017 Joan Ryan MP was secretly recorded having conversations with employees of the Israeli embassy, in which she appeared to be accepting large amounts of money in order to influence other MPs.:

This recording was released as part of the Al Jazeera documentary The Lobby. In the same documentary is this clip where an Israeli embassy employee discusses a plan to “take down” Jeremy Corbyn.

Seven of the eight (so far) Labour defectors were members of the Labour Friends of Israel. Joan Ryan was the chair.

But back to Craig’s comment, and its removal: Which of the Guardian’s “community standards” did it break?

  • Does it “misrepresent the Guardian and its journalists”?
  • Is it “persistent trolling or mindless abuse”?
  • Is it “spam-like”? Or “obviously commercial”?
  • Is it “racism, sexism, homophobia or hate-speech”?
  • Is it “extremely offensive of threatening?”?
  • Is it “flame-wars based on ingrained partisanship or generalisations”?
  • Is it not “relevant”?

If none of the above – why was it taken down?

See our archive of censored comments. And if you see any egregious examples of the Guardian censoring its “free” comment sections – email us at [email protected], and send us screen caps if possible

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Reveal or Conceal?
Reveal or Conceal?

They are so keen lately at the Guardian to tell readers to learn to breathe properly (and deeply), however, never in the same article, do they mention the worsening air pollution in all urban areas.

They are really on a mission to divert people’s attention towards inane pursuits!

Gwyn
Gwyn

An excellent skewering of the Guardian by Darren Allen.

http://expressiveegg.org/2017/02/07/guardian-bothering/

harry stotle
harry stotle

Stunning take down – compulsory reading in my opinion, especially this;

‘Monbiot and Jones’ absence of integrity then is not so much in what they say (e.g. Monbiot’s shameful smearing of just about every genuine voice on the actual left), but in what they don’t say. On criticism of the ‘left-liberal’ end of the media spectrum, on opposition to criticism of the genuine left (particularly from their own paper), on the propaganda model, the Overton Window and Huxleyan thought-control, on Clinton and Obama (socialist Jones actually endorsed Clinton), on the inherently destructive nature of professionalism, on their own paper maligning Jeremy Corbyn, Nafeez Ahmed and Julian Assange, on the ruinous horror of wage-slavery, on the denial of death, on the reality of the coming collapse, on the inherently reality-warping nature of market-driven journalism — nothing, or next to.’

And this;

‘About forty or fifty years ago, around the same time as women, ‘people of colour’, the disabled, members of the ‘LBGTQ’ community and so on began to gain important social and ethical advances, the middle and upper classes realised, with great moral-delight, that the previously excluded could be put to professional work, in upper management, and that ideological conformity is far more important than racial or sexual equality anyway. Totalitarian corporate organisations and media outlets could then proudly proclaim themselves to be feminist, pro-gay, equal-rights and so-on, coating themselves in a lovely veneer of equality and open-mindedness and appeal to the ‘left-liberal demographic’, while pursuing precisely the same corporate-establishment goals as before – perpetually expand, honour corporate clients and profits above all else, kow-tow to upper and middle-class groupthink, deprive ordinary people of their intellectual, social and aesthetic autonomy in the name of ‘professional’ care, police the eradicated commons and so on.
In other words institutions, corporations and elite-run organisations (like the Guardian) use race, gender, civil-rights and so on as a smokescreen for systemic totalitaria, which is what all feminist viewpoints and all LGBT articles in the ‘mainstream’ end up promoting.’

Jay-Q
Jay-Q

Thanks for the link. A really good article and a very interesting website – now bookmarked! 🙂

Narrative
Narrative

It is depressing when seeing a fair, reasonable and extremely relevant writing like Craig Murray’s comment gets censored and removed.

“What “community standards” did this comment breach? #18”

Indeed, why was it removed? Time to give the plebs clear and frank answers. The answer(s) must be published and distributed widely.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee

Yep, the zionist propaganda machine rolls on and begins to appear in unexpected places. Herewith a choice example.

”There is no doubt that Corbyn’s Labour has a serious anti-Semitism problem, as evidenced by the vile abuse Jewish MP Luciana Berger has received from party members. Under the sway of identity politics, which dictates that what you are counts for more than what you think, left-wing criticism of Israeli and Zionist politics has often descended into outright anti-Semitism, with the Jewish State singled out for condemnation. It is hard to imagine why any Jew would want to support Labour.”

I like it. ”left wing criticism has often descended to outright anti-semitism, with the Jewish state singled out for condemnatation.’

Yes, unfair to Israel who wouldn’t hurt a fly. Of course when the IDF gets in some target practice on Palestinian kids, that doesn’t count, and anyone who suggests that it is responsible for crimes against humanity is – what for it – an anti-semite! Yes, Palestian kids approach the borders of Israel armed with deadly kites and balloons pose an existential threat to Israel’s security.

It leaves one speechless.

Mick Hume, Spiked 19/02/19

Tom
Tom

The BBC seems to be even worse than the Guardian. I was listening to Yesterday in Parliament this morning and even though we are five weeks to a No Deal Brexit, the entire slot was about ‘anti-semitism’. To be followed by – yes, you’ve guessed it – a piece about antisemitism in France.
These people have seriously lost the plot – or else are deliberately trying to antagonise the British public

tutisicecream

The whole concept of community standards at the Guardian is risible. What community are they now referring to? Comment is free does not exist anymore; what is left of it is mere tokenism. Their funding strategy is purely a business model based on deception.

Rushbridger was ousted because of the Snowden revelations and Viner whose background is in trivia journalism and lightweight lifestyle puff pieces opposed his bid to be chair of the board following this. If you can [bear it] read this:

https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2019/feb/20/katharine-viner-qanda-journalists-readers-guardian-future

And if you can hold back the vomit you will see that her role has been to turn the Guardian into an in-house publication for the Integrity Initiative which is more desperately needed now as their cover has been well and truly blown.

She describes the current trajectory of the organ as “a pioneering business model” and it’s community is its readers, so we can safely assume that means NOT commentators or a CIF community. So when you read “contributions” you understand it means cash, not comment!

The current strap line for their funding model is both patronising and odious ” Free for those who can’t afford it. Supported by those who can.” Which clearly harks back to her privileged upbringing at Ripon Grammar…

Rinaldo
Rinaldo

Govern/ment means rule of the mind and the Jewish lobby has control of the government.
.

Jerry Alatalo

Joan Ryan is in BIG trouble…

Yonatan
Yonatan

The truth is anti-semitic. Even pointing out that the truth is anti-semitic is anti-semitic.

Antonym
Antonym

Zionist under your bed; Zionist inside your head; get treatment.

Or are Jews REALLY the Chosen People and can do Kabbalah with their few numbers?

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum

The status quo.
Revered by the quislings.

Sledgehopper
Sledgehopper

timfrom
re Atzmon and the blockheads actually he did play with the blockheads dressed as Father Christmas.
Sledgehopper

Jay-Q
Jay-Q

What leaves me scratching my head is why nobody challenges them to produce a single scrap of evidence to validate their claims? Joan Ryan is a dangerous and pathological manipulator of reality as was revealed in The Israel Lobby.

If these MP’s are so thoroughly and completely convinced that institutional antisemitism exists in the Labour Party and that Jeremy Corbyn is himself an antisemite, then, please, for the good of the country and political system, provide evidence that would stand the same scrutiny as if it was being presented in a court of law.

Our legal and judicial system does not, and should not, rest on conjecture and hearsay, particularly by those who are under the influence of a foreign power!!

Jay-Q
Jay-Q

Meant as a reply to Haltonbrat.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat

In today’s Indie:

“Labour MP Joan Ryann joined seven other colleagues including Chuka Umunna and Luciana Berger in leaving the Labour Party to the new grouping.
The former minister and chair of Labour Friends of Israel said that Jeremy Corbyn was not fit to be prime minister, adding the party had become “infected with the scourge of anti-Semitism” under his leadership.
Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today Programme following her announcement, she said: “[Mr Corbyn] has introduced or allowed to happen in our party this scourge of anti-Semitism.”

Says it all doesn’t it?

chaize
chaize

Of course it was taken down. Suggesting Israel might have done something wrong? definitely a no-no. Can’t have that.

Mitch
Mitch

The Guardian of Zion

harry stotle
harry stotle

“Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel!” – hate speech or reasonable proposition?

Apparently said by Derek Hatton ……. 7 years ago.
Needless to say he was immediately suspended from Labour, a party now devouring itself because of levels of antisemitism not seen since kristallnacht (if we believe the endless litany of accusations from the Blairite wing).
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/derek-hatton-suspended-from-labour-over-tweet

Despite human rights abuses derogatory remarks about the neocon axis is off-limits and I suspect it is only a matter of time before people are accused of hate speech should they challenge the wisdom of military operations in Venezuela, the Ukraine, Syria or any other theatre where abuses might be constrained by any form of meaningful scrutiny.

Molloy
Molloy

Are there some things we’re not allowed to talk about in the ££UK?

Again. Re. criminal behaviour of “MP”.
Instead of a trolling thumbs down, would anyone care to discuss the shilling combination of virtue-signalling whilst censoring comment on his own website (Craig? Anyone?) ?
Or is our attention diverted by a greedy, warmongering not fit for purpose “MP”; also the child abusing, Racist Tory psychopath in the £HO?

Wood for the trees and all that.

Gwyn
Gwyn

Molloy – I accidentally upvoted your comment. An egregious error on my part. In my defence, I was momentarily discombobulated by your use of the term ”virtue-signalling.” I honestly had no idea that people still used it.

wardropper
wardropper

I found a place to comment on the Goniad today – football, of course. So I did my bit for the day and duly commented:

“For what it’s worth, I’ll consider supporting the Guardian when they allow comments on controversial topics again.
This fear that someone might see through their political smokescreens and make a critical comment has gone beyond a joke.
Only sarcasm can make a point sometimes, so here I am, trying to remind the Graun that its readers actually know a thing or two.
Now, back to sport.”

wardropper
wardropper

(Okay, I lied about supporting the Guardian)

Baron
Baron

Here’s a puzzle for you.

The Russians are so cunningly smart that before the last Presidential election seventeen US Security Agencies fail to spot them destroying the American democracy by infiltrating every very nook and cranny of every US institution, and virtually single handedly elect the Donald.

The Russians are so amazingly stupid that they use Novichok to poison a man in Britain they could have finished off on many an occasion when he was in their custody, do so few days before the Russian Presidential election, and few weeks before the World Cup (only to be ‘rewarded’ by the democratic West with more sanctions).

Are these the same Russians?

chaize
chaize

If everybody were as logical as you all this russians-are-coming-help-help shit would have vanished before it even started.

Some Random Passer-by
Some Random Passer-by

All on a budget similar to Italy’s

Antipropo
Antipropo

So clever are the evil putinbots they can influence the US presidential election with Facebook posts that ran AFTER the election! Is there no end to their cunning?

mohandeer

The saddest part about the Graunds love affair with the zionist extremist, rogue apartheid state of Israel is that it is offensive to many decent Jews in this country who have to live with the consequences of people conflating criticism of Jeremy Corbyn who are claiming to be Jewish(as opposed to being zionist radicalised extremists)with genuine Jews of the real faith of Judaism. Many of these British Jews are fully aware that the wealthy Zionists funded Hitler’s rise to power in exchange for being allowed to leave Germany with their family and wealth leaving “ordinary” Jews who did not support Zionism to suffer the horrific consequences. Furthermore, when a brave Rabbi managed to secure a deal with Hitler for release of the Jews left behind for more funding, the Zionist Lobby refused to cough up any of the donated cash and told him “their deaths will serve the (zionist) cause”

I can’t imagine a more heinous attitude to the plight of those Jews left behind or the response the Rabbi related to them from the Zionist traitors when they were given an opportunity to leave. It must be quite dreadful to have the Guardian trashing and dishonouring the many Jews who died by it’s obvious devotion to the lie and more importantly, the truth, it is determined to conceal. As a consequence of people confusing the issue which the Graund has managed to bury, regarding the dysfunctional and unrepresentative Israeli state, too many people still cannot differentiate between being a Jew and being a pro Israeli Zionist as if the two were still somehow related and that is why Israel’s murderous and thieving activities are the reason anti-Semitism is, to some degree, more prevelant(criticism of Israel’s apartheid regime is NOT anti-Semitism)and more people want to see the “Jews” punished for their cruel treatment of the Palestinians.

The Graund is probably the most egregious of the tabloids in promoting the “Anti-Semitism” trope in accodance with the Zionist Lobby directorates and thus also the most guilty in feeding the rise in anti-semitism, but when funding is scarce and the Zionist Lobby are chipping in, it’s just so easy to throw integrity and morals out of the window in the rush to grab a lifeline before you sink to the bottom, not that the Graund has very far to go in that respect.

I gave up posting comments a very long time ago for good reason, there is no Comment is Free nor any journalistic standards being met at the Guardian, hasn’t been for a long time. Monbiot used to be a journalist, but look how that worked out, I wouldn’t let a printed article of his grace a cat litter tray! As for Freedland…words (printable ones) fail me.

I’ve been in opposition to Craig Murray and I’m not one for holding back, but in fairness to him, he’s never censored my comments to date.

Antonym
Antonym

Well Murray has wiped out all of mine Stalin / Guardian style clean off, never existed.
He is not as innocent as he pretends……

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

“Murray has wiped out all of [my comments] Stalin / Guardian style clean off, never existed.
He is not as innocent as he pretends……”

Don’t worry, darling. We all know you‘re not as guilty as you pretend, so it’s a fair swap.

Thomas Prentice
Thomas Prentice

I would like to read more about this … especially the part in quotation makes about their deaths serving Zionism.

RE: “Many of these British Jews are fully aware that the wealthy Zionists funded Hitler’s rise to power in exchange for being allowed to leave Germany with their family and wealth leaving “ordinary” Jews who did not support Zionism to suffer the horrific consequences. Furthermore, when a brave Rabbi managed to secure a deal with Hitler for release of the Jews left behind for more funding, the Zionist Lobby refused to cough up any of the donated cash and told him “their deaths will serve the (zionist) cause”

Jen
Jen

Actually the “brave rabbi” was not a rabbi at all but a Hungarian Jewish journalist called Rudolf Kastner (Kasztner in Hungarian).

Kastner made a deal with Adolf Eichmann to rescue x number of Hungarian Jewish people at the expense of others from the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp complex. I think at the time Kastner was working for the Jewish Agency in Istanbul that acted as an embassy for the Zionist movement in Palestine. The dilemma for Kastner was that the Jewish Agency was not interested in helping Kastner rescue people who were not fully supportive of Zionism and who might not want to settle in Palestine.

In the end Kastner saved a smaller number of Hungarian Jews than he hoped for and most of those were wealthy people who could buy their freedom.

For his pains, Kastner was accused of being a Nazi collaborator and was found guilty as such in a later trial in Israel. He was shot dead in Israel in 1957 by hitmen who believed he had betrayed his people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rezs%C5%91_Kasztner

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz

When the Guardian’s opinion monitors asked in homage to Big Brother – “how many fingers it was holding up” – Mr. Murray gave the “accurate” answer, which of course was the “right” answer, but, uh, also the “wrong” answer precisely “because” it was the “right” answer. As P.C. Roberts has observed: “reality itself has become a – ‘conspiracy theory.'”

milosevic
milosevic

It’s been known for some time now, that reality is anti-semitic. It’s a basic structural property of the universe.

wardropper
wardropper

Reality is also anti-Danish, anti-musician, anti-politics and anti-Catholic.
I fear this will get us nowhere…

Jen
Jen

Say it – reality is anti-matter!

DunGroanin
DunGroanin

Asked why they voted with the government on a no-confidence motion just a few weeks ago, Soubry says: “The last thing this country wants or needs is a general election.”

It is a coup – pure and simple – we are NOT to be ALLOWED a general election.

How dare she tell us our vote is not NEEDED as they rearrange Parliament?