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Beyond Reason

W Stephen Gilbert

Members of Jewish Voice for Labour marching in support of Corbyn. Just some of the “wrong type of Jews” the MSM ignore.

Chris Williamson is the Labour MP for Derby North. He was Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services until January, when he stepped down, having spoken outside his remit. Free of collective responsibility, he has been touring the country in response to invitations to speak to CLPs. Articulate, passionate and politically close to the leadership, he is a popular speaker who has the happy knack of firing up his audiences and hence is a real asset in what may turn out to be a pre-election climate. He is also prepared to stick his head above the parapet.

Speaking in Sheffield recently, Williamson was recorded on a mobile phone as suggesting that Labour has “backed off far too much, we have given too much ground, we have been too apologetic … we’ve done more to address the scourge of anti-Semitism than any political party”.

He was obliged to apologise and withdraw and has now been suspended from the party. Deputy leader Tom Watson, who comfortably alternates between calling for party unity and implicitly (and sometimes explicitly) undermining his leader, dismissed Williamson’s apology out of hand, thereby ensuring that Williamson had no ground to stand on as far as Watson’s faction was concerned.

It is a great pity and in the end a self-defeating gambit that Williamson agreed to bow to pressure from a leadership that has been under extreme pressure on the issue for three years now. It would have been much more constructive – if only in the long term – had he defied the party to show how his argument had been unacceptable. At some point, a stand must be taken against the campaign that conflates legitimate criticism of the government of Israel, much of which stems from people who are not only Jewish but Israeli, with ignorant racial prejudice. Departing from the policies of Benjamin Netanyahu is no more anti-Semitic than deploring the antics of Donald Trump is anti-American.

The Williamson case demonstrates only too clearly that anti-Semitism is no longer an issue that may be discussed in rational terms in the Labour Party. It is not enough to characterise anti-Semitism as a scourge. You are only permitted to claim that this scourge is endemic to the party and to accuse the leadership of “not doing enough”. The argument is that the leadership needs to act “more quickly”, which is to say without due process and merely on someone’s say-so. Unless you can combine a claim of rampant anti-Semitism in the party with a frontal attack on Jeremy Corbyn, you are implicitly damaging the party. These are the prescribed positions from which any departure is itself deemed to be anti-Semitic. The politics of Senator Joseph McCarthy irresistibly come to mind.

Even so, both an official Labour party investigation and the cross-party Commons Home Affairs Committee have exonerated Labour of the “institutional racism” of which the former Labour MP Luciana Berger accuses it. Several academic analyses of data have also shown that claims of widespread anti-Semitism in Labour are “grossly exaggerated” [Dr Alan Maddison, February 2019]. The party investigation identified a number of actual Labour members who had recorded comments along racial or cultural lines, but these comments represented 0.08% of the membership. It would be instructive if a Labour party committee were to investigate abuse aimed at the party leader and the Shadow Home Secretary. More than 0.08% of the membership, I suggest.

Berger herself has clearly suffered anti-Semitic abuse during her term as an MP, but whether such abuse stems from inside the Labour Party remains largely moot. For those who wish to prevent Jeremy Corbyn from becoming prime minister, it is convenient to characterise the abuse as being hurled in his name. Appending the hashtag #jc4pm to a tweet is hardly proof of origin. Someone wishing to make trouble could just as easily fly a false flag. If I can conceive of such a tactic, others can too and can act upon it.

Within the Labour Party is a grouping called Labour Friends of Israel. LFI defends the actions of the Israeli government even where the world (not least the UN) is broadly united against such actions. When dozens of demonstrating but unarmed Palestinians were shot dead by Israeli snipers last year, LFI sought to excuse the killings. These excuses may no longer be found as LFI eventually decided that discretion was the better part of valour. Meanwhile, Jewish people who criticise Netanyahu and/or support Corbyn are now cast by other Jews as “the wrong kind of Jew” and “self-hating Jews”. Catch-22 lives.

Six of the eight Labour MPs (all but one of them goyish) who set up the Independent Group are and remain members of Labour Friends, which numbers Tom Watson among its supporters. Despite having left the party, Joan Ryan is still chair of LFI. She has been recorded on camera accepting financial assistance from a representative of the Israeli embassy in London, though whether that funding was for LFI or for the new group is not clear. Did you learn of this from the mainstream media? No, I thought not.

That 200 Jewish members of the party should write to The Guardian in support of Corbyn’s stances and policies ought to be more significant than eight malcontents leaving the party because they want to bring down Corbyn, but of course attack is a sexier media story than support. The 200 located anti-Semitism where it belongs, on the right of the political spectrum, but that contradicts the media consensus that equates support from the left for Palestinian self-determination with racism.

One of Corbyn’s most virulent critics is his parliamentary neighbour Margaret Hodge, she who accused Corbyn to his face of being “a fucking anti-Semite and a racist”, though at no evident risk to her own party membership. The suspicion grows that Hodge has the freedom of the BBC airwaves. She was the only politician invited by The World at One two months ago to give a tour d’horizon of the political scene over the previous twelve months. Just lately, she was permitted to comment unchallenged on the Williamson case, describing in passing Luciana Berger as having been “forced out of the party” when, by all other accounts, Berger chose to leave, yet here was Hodge advocating that Williamson be forced out.

That Hodge’s daughter is deputy news editor at the BBC ought to make the Corporation scrupulously wary of any treatment of Hodge that could be construed as favouritism, yet it demonstrates a cavalier disregard for such niceties. The preponderance of identifiably anti-Corbynite personnel among its news management endangers the BBC’s charter-bound duty to be impartial between political parties. Corbyn is the (twice-)elected leader. Favouring factions in the party ranged against him is not impartiality.

Radio and television interviewers are expected by their audiences to ask hard questions of politicians. The Labour Party needs to confront an awkward question about itself. If a member falsely or unjustly accuses another member of anti-Semitism, would or should the accuser be suspended from the party? It is a real and an urgent question and one that no one in the party seems prepared to contemplate.

W Stephen Gilbert has been a writer, journalist and sometime television producer since 1971, when his first play appeared in the first season of Play for Today on BBC1. His books include first biographies of Dennis Potter and Jeremy Corbyn. He mostly passes his twilight years indexing other writers’ books.

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W Stephen Gilbert has been a writer, journalist and sometime television producer since 1971, when his first play appeared in the first season of Play for Today on BBC1. His books include first biographies of Dennis Potter and Jeremy Corbyn. He mostly passes his twilight years indexing other writers’ books.

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Reading this thread of comments, I see that very few commenters have actually challenged Crank to define what s/he meant when s/he suggested that Jewish people need to give up their identity in order to combat anti-Semitism, or words to that effect. Perhaps what is meant is that Jewish people need to examine what being Jewish really means to them. Is being Jewish no more than feeling an emotional attachment to a strip of land on the eastern Mediterranean Sea, and believing that one has to defend the people there regardless of whether they act morally or criminally? If so,… Read more »

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milosevic

Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel. In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat…… Read more »

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The words I actually wrote: Only the abandonment of Jewish identity can ultimately free Jewish people from ‘antisemitism’ I am pretty much directly quoting Gilad Atzmon here. In fact my comments here have almost all been a quoting of his ideas. Note to those who have me marked out as extremist : Gilad was targeted by a Likudnik in London and driven from his professional calling via a Labour council’s actions (and at great expense to the people of Islington). An article defending him was published here at OffG. When Gilad appeared on George Galloway’s Sputnik show, George introduced him… Read more »

milosevic
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milosevic

When Gilad appeared on George Galloway’s Sputnik show, George introduced him by explaining that he’d read Atzmon’s book with rapt interest there is a deep Jewish fear of anti-Jewish sentiment latent within non-Jews, one that creates a self perpetuating cycle. There is precious little self reflection about why this might be there though. Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder — A Glimpse Into Israeli Collective Psychosis, by Gilad Atzmon a growing number of people want to see an end to Israel, the ‘Jew Only State’. Yet, no one around expresses any murderous or terminal plans against world Jewry or even against their Jewish… Read more »

crank
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crank

Maybe they can be offered something better, and choose to.

ronan1882
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ronan1882

Crank corner where racist halfwits come to receive massive assent for saying Jewish people can avoid antisemitism only if they abandoni their Jewish identity. This site is a freak show.

milosevic
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milosevic

yes, anybody who rejects the idea that Jewish identity is a “racial” category, is obviously a racist.

this is what makes Talmudism so great — even halfwits are empowered by its magic.

crank
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crank

Abusive non argument.

ronan1882
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ronan1882

See how your ‘argument’ is received anywhere but here or alt-right sites.

crank
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crank

More sneering. Says it all.
In my reading the ‘alt-right’ are distinctly zionist. Their man Trump is considered ‘The First Jewish US President’ in the Jewish press (their words not mine).
https://electronicintifada.net/tags/alt-right

William Russell Jones
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William Russell Jones

None of these Fake Accusations of anti-semitism would have seen the light of day if the late and great MP for Manchester Gorton,Gerard Kaufmann had still been alive.He was a far greater critic of Israel than Corbyn has ever been.He would have had all these characters today for breakfast.

milosevic
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milosevic

Indeed, it’s the ex-jews, or almost-ex-jews, who understand Jewish ethnic supremacism most clearly, because they’ve seen what it looks like from the inside, whereas everybody else can only draw inferences from the external symptoms.

Gilad Atzmon — From Esther to AIPAC

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bevin

To put Kauffman in perspective he was a very right wing MP and a notorious crony of Harold Wilson’s.
He was absolutely right in his criticisms of the Israeli fascists however. In those days Likud and its satellites were regarded as beyond the pale- it is astonishing that the current Friends of Israel are so complacent about the criminality in plain daylight perpetrated against Gaza.

milosevic
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milosevic

The complacency is an index of their degree of confidence in their own political power. Once you are in complete control, there’s no longer any need for subterfuge, and you can perpetrate your crimes in broad daylight. If the dirty goyim complain, they can be quickly silenced with cries of “anti-semitism”, now backed up with police enforcement powers.

Marou
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Marou

I suppose it’s the homage that vice pays to virtue that anti-Semites are at such pains to deny their anti-Semitism. They can’t help themselves though when it comes to blaming Jews for bringing on themselves by being, well, Jewish. As the egregious Crank remarks, with the lack of intellectual and historical rigour so characteristic of his comments, if only they would give up being Jewish there would be no problem. But no matter, we see you.

milosevic
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milosevic

anti-Semites are at such pains to deny their anti-Semitism.

You must not read very carefully, if you mistake this for denial:

if only they would give up being Jewish there would be no problem.

We do, however, reject the racialist conception (“(God’s?) Chosen People”) that Jewish identity has of itself. But with the mediaeval Talmudist logic so characteristic of these ethnic supremacists, rejection of racism is interpreted as proof of racism.

But no matter, we see you.

here, have some intellectual and historical rigour:

When Victims Rule — A Critique of Jewish Pre-Eminence in America

crank
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crank

Your only response to the arguments is slander and threat.
This is all I have ever read in response to these arguments.
What does that tell me?

rosearan
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‘The Labour Party needs to confront an awkward question about itself. If a member falsely or unjustly accuses another member of anti-Semitism, would or should the accuser be suspended from the party? It is a real and an urgent question and one that no one in the party seems prepared to contemplate.’ Almost none of the comments below have addressed this question. Several Labour MPs and members have had their lives, careers and reputations unjustly damaged due to ‘false’ or ‘unjust’ accusations of anti-semitism – not to mention the mental suffering inflicted and the waste of time and money spent… Read more »

milosevic
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If 0.08% of “anti-semitism” complaints have been upheld, that means that there must have been at least (1 / 0.0008 = 1250) such complaints. Or possibly, two (or three, or four …) times as many as that. Imagine all the wasted time, money, and effort to investigate all that hasbara. How does the Labour Party have anything left over to do anything else? But maybe that’s the whole point. The unforseen danger, for the ethnic activists, is that eventually the Hasbara Saturation Point will be reached, after which all such claims will be immediately rejected with contempt and derision. But… Read more »

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Paul

In criminal cases neither the Complainant or the Defendent are ‘allowed’ to make ‘comments’ before trial or face trouble from the Judge or under cross examination. Motor mouths may have to be ordered to restrain themselves. A political party could require members to adhere to that rule – in return for a MUCH earlier result and a FAIR trial – preferrrably in public and on TV. Williamson could be tried within a couple of weeks and we could learn how somebody can see ‘Jew hating’ in what he said in Sheffield. If the Party won’t give him the opportunity then… Read more »

Paul
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Paul

You’ve seen something nasty in the woodshed? Do tell!

James Connolly
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James Connolly

One can only assume some of these comments are being posted by TIG, Freedland et al to give sustenance to their claims about “the left” and get this site shut down.

crank
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crank

Bevin, I think your comment is deeply problematic from the beginning. You write: The basic problem is that Jews are being dealt with as if they were a race rather than a number of related religious groups with more or less, in terms of rites, ceremonies and traditions, in common. But what is the essential religious idea that binds those groups, rites and traditions? The very next sentence you write: Most of those identified as Jews are not religious, many of them are atheists and determinedly secular. Disputable, but by the by. So you say that ‘most’ Jews are not… Read more »

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I am aware, crank, that my comment, cobbled together over a period of hours broken up by more important activities in the woodburning line, was not very coherent. I\’m not sure whether I disagree with anything that you have written. Except this which adds, in my view, nothing to your argument: ” …I say, just look honestly at the degree of over-representation of Jewish power elites in our world. It is off the scale.” Nobody could argue that any such quantification of ‘power elites’ and Jewish representation therein is anything but extremely subjective and well beyond the possibilities of being… Read more »

milosevic
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milosevic

Nobody could argue that any such quantification of ‘power elites’ and Jewish representation therein is anything but extremely subjective and well beyond the possibilities of being demonstrated. http://i.stack.imgur.com/PPhcg.jpg There are Brahmins, for example yes, a privileged elite caste which exploits the rest of society for their own benefit, and that of their ruling-class patrons. what were we talking about, again? as well as Presbyterians whose belief in predestination for a tiny sliver of the justified Where do you suppose that ideology originally came from? Was the “Old Testament” written by Presbyterians? The best rule to deal with those accusing socialists… Read more »

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“The definition of “anti-semitism” has been expanded to include any and all criticism of capitalist class power. It’s almost as if they’ve got something to hide. The only way to avoid engaging the issue is abject surrender, which is of course the intended outcome.” You seem to be under the impression that this is an important question. It isn’t. The next election is not going to hinge on whether or not Corbyn is anti-semitic. Not least because nobody believes that he is. This question only exists as important within the narrow media-political caste, nobody outside it is affected by it.… Read more »

crank
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crank

Bevin,
This question only exists as important within the narrow media-political caste
How does Lansman’s coming forward into media spotlight as a major advocate for the false narrative fit in to your assertion above?

crank
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crank

…or to put it another way. How can Labour members challenge Lansman and his role as saboteur or puppet master without it, you know, looking,
”””””””””””””””antisemitic”””””””””””””” ?
twitter.com/LabGrassroots/status/1101778552947642370

crank
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You seem to be under the impression that this is an important question. It isn’t. The next election is not going to hinge on whether or not Corbyn is anti-semitic. Not least because nobody believes that he is. This question only exists as important within the narrow media-political caste, nobody outside it is affected by it. The significance of the issue is that it is being used to madden the Establishment elites into disqualifying a Labour victory With respect Bevin, I cannot understand this line of thinking (that I have also read elsewhere). The false AS crisis will have electoral… Read more »

milosevic
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milosevic

talk about important issues instead.

like Palestine, Iraq, and Syria?

crank
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crank

bevin
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bevin

“I’’m not sure whether I disagree with anything that you have written.” Here I am referring to crank’s posting in reply to mine. I haven’t read everything else that he or anyone else here has written.

crank
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And one more thing Bevin, Tom Watson is actually being more consistent than Jeremy Corbyn. He is standing holding a flag of an openly fascist state and saying nobody has the right to criticise ‘the chosen people’ who have built this thing called Israel. We can see what he stands for, and the only thing we can do is either politcally take him down as a rejection of such obscene racist ideology, or acquiesce. Yet Corbyn won’t (it seems) fight back, and cannot until he admits that ‘anti-zionism is -bar a few minor exceptions- anti-Jewish’. That is, taking on the… Read more »

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bevin

As I write below in reply to Milosevic it may be that Corbyn says “nothing” because he realises that outside of the political/media caste-which has to be written off- this matter is of very marginal interest. By saying nothing about it he leaves it to the Blairites to talk themselves hoarse over a question that has no traction on the doorsteps of Labour inclined voters. They have more basic interests, the bread and butter questions that the neo-liberals cannot address which is why they change the subject. The problem with their tactic is that very few people believe that Labour… Read more »

milosevic
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milosevic

taking on the Israel lobby, the zionist network of power around the world, the Jewish establishment, can only be done by confronting the support for those things coming from a large majority of the world’s Jews. standard question for the “not all jews …” theorists: “Among people who self-identify as ‘Jewish’, what are the relative proportions of zionists and anti-zionists?” They never reply, presumably because any answer they might give, would expose the utter incoherence and unreality of their theory. In fact, to do so would be to let the cat out of the bag. Which would be very un-PC,… Read more »

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Thanks Mr Crank for a very thought provoking set of comments. Fortunately there is a way out on a class basis. The Jewish Capitalist’s wealth interests are diametrically opposed to salaried and waged Jews. (A wage rise cuts into profit). Therefore regardless of race or religion all working class people have a vested interest in having common ownership and control of production. Many people have already moved from Jew identity to universal citizen identity. As to Watson and Corbyn I agree, the left is weak because it does not possess sufficient theoretical rigour to support the transition to Socialism. (… Read more »

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I kind of agree. If Jewish working classes had pursued a route to their advancement through class politics (i.e. identifying as ‘working class people’ rather than ‘working class Jews’) it would basically negate my argument here. History shows us that they often haven’t though . As this crisis in Labour has unfolded I must have read hundreds of statements that read, “Speaking as a Jew ….I support Corbyn/ dispute the existence of institutional racism in Labour/ object to zionism” etc. All excellent comments and important, but I ask , Why ‘as a Jew’ though ? If we are truely consistent… Read more »

milosevic
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milosevic

If Jewish working classes had pursued a route to their advancement through class politics (i.e. identifying as ‘working class people’ rather than ‘working class Jews’) it would basically negate my argument here. History shows us that they often haven’t though. We don’t know that. How many (self-identified) “working-class Jews” are there, under the age of fifty or sixty? The essential core of Jewish identity is ethnic supremacism. If you are not demanding or receiving special privileges, Jewish identity rapidly becomes meaningless, and can be conveniently discarded. People who have done so, are no longer visible as “Jews”, and are not… Read more »

bevin
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bevin

It is sad to see the haste with which standard fascist tropes, including the Nazi favourite ‘Bolsheviks are Jews” are adopted. You really ought to consider moving to Ukraine where your opinions would fit right in.

milosevic
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milosevic

so, all you’ve got is evidence-free slurs, just like the zionists.

keep up the good work.

mohandeer
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Why is it so important that people should give up their identity in order to fit in with your well ordered world? Shades of grey exist across all walks of life and if we can’t learn to live with this fact, we will forever be at war. Needless to say, I want no part of your doctrine where it demands people abandon all that binds them together. It’s fascistic and extreme.

crank
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Mohandeer, I make no ‘demands’. I am just trying to challenge what I see as a contradictory position held by most people on the Left. What binds people together? There are many things we could answer that with. Gardening brings people together. Trade unions bring people together. Fascism brings people together. Are we to regard these three examples in the same light merely because ‘they bring people together’ – that they comprise part of peoples’ identity? I say no. I say that there is an ethical argument that can be made comparing how, for example, socialist movements bring people together,… Read more »

DunGroanin
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Crank – i can’t be bothered to read that screed thoroughly, did you mention the word –

HEBREW

even once in your potty hit-story?

If ‘races’ are incorrectly defined as people who look different – then you will find there are ‘black’ jews and ‘brown’ jews along with the ‘white’ jews.

So no, judaism, in that common and daily understood usage, is not a racial definition.

crank
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Go and read the Old Testament,Torah and Talmud or talk to an honest Jewish historian. Or even a Christian theologian. As I said, the religious dimension of jewish identity is bound intrinsically with the idea of a covenant between the almighty and a particular tribe (or ‘nation’). It is not controversial to say that. Most religions are universalist. They recognise all humans as equal – at least in the capacity that converts might choose to subscribe to your religious idea. Not so orthodox Judaism. That research tells us that there are serious inconsistencies with the belief that the Jewish religious… Read more »

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

Ok – i understand thanks for explaining. I misread your meaning.

mark
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mark

“God doesn’t exist but he gave us Palestine anyway.” In Israel, they are quite clear that there is a Jewish Race from DNA analysis. Though there are black Jews, heavily discriminated against of course. “Most religions recognise all humans as equal.” “The goyim are not humans. They are beasts.” Baba Mezia, 114b. “If you eat with a goy it is the same as eating with a dog.” Jebamoth, 94b. “All gentile women without exception are menstrual filth, slaves, heathens and whores.” Sanhedrin, 82a. “All children of the goyim are animals.” Yebamoth, 98a. “Even the best of the goyim should be… Read more »

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bc

We need to point out that Jews “dominate almost every aspect of political, economic and cultural power”?? And the to this ‘problem’ is for Jews to stop being Jews .. ?? OffG is clearly happy to become a safe fposting venue for latterday Henry Fords and Adolf Hitlers.

Cue, protests that crank isn’t racist, just passionately loves Palestinians…

milosevic
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milosevic

Jews dominate almost every aspect of political, economic, and cultural power

mark
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mark

Yes, we have to ignore reality.
Reality is “anti semitic.”

crank
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crank

Are Jewish people not massively over represented in these spheres?
You claiming it is antisemitic to point out what is undeniable does not make it untrue.
Your misrepresenting of my argument, saying that this is the ‘problem’ when I was referring to the real problem of antisemitism shows that you are not honest.
That you reflexively associate all criticism of Jewish identity politics in with love of Adolf Hitler (who I criticise for embracing the exact same ideology -i.e. racial supremicism) tells me that you are not worth engaging with further.

bc
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bc

A very haughty, aloof response from somebody publicly posting.. “Only the abandonment of Jewish identity can ultimately free Jewish people from ‘antisemitism'”.

milosevic
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milosevic

Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism – huckstering and its preconditions – the Jew will have become impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, and because the conflict between man’s individual-sensuous existence and his species-existence has been abolished.

The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.

Karl Marx — On The Jewish Question

zach
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zach

Chris Williamson was a regular guest on the once edgy young new left Novara Media. His erstwhile comrades James, Aaron, Ash have thrown him under the bus so as not to jeopardize their growing ties to MSM.
https://mobile.twitter.com/medialens/status/1101133397785743366

Meanwhile their fellow Novara host Michael bolsters his creds with establishment media by fronting a Momentum video that suggests Corbyn supporters are characterized by adherence to some anti Jewish conspiracy involving the Rothschilds.

Personal career advancement over principle and honesty, the Novara motto. Very disappointing.

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vexarb

Cut’n’Paste from Saker Vineyard; the Resistance to AZC globalism is becoming global: “Furthermore, US leaders simply don’t understand how hated the “Yankees” are in Latin America (at least among the masses, not the comprador elites) and how fantastically offensive the appointment of a felon like Elliott Abrams as Envoy to Venezuela is to the vast majority of the people of this continent. Second, Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro did empower, for the very first time, the masses of the Venezuelan people, especially those who lived in abject poverty when Venezuela was still a US colony. These people are under no… Read more »

Antonym
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Antonym

While nuclear Pakistan and India are shooting each others jets down Off-Guardian keeps on busy with its favourite topic, little Israel and Gaza. In 2018 ~ 200 Gazan’s got killed; anybody ever tallied the MUCH higher death toll by Pakistan’s Islamists in that year?

The number of Zionists living in the UK is miniscule compared to the number of P-Nationalist Pakistani-Brits. not to count the vast number of other Islamists in the UK, but lets keep mum about them and their influence on UK MSM and politics.

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Yarkob

oh do f*ck off, Antonym..don’t claim to speak “for Israel” nor Jews. You are a mischievous hasbara-lite dissembler who makes straw-man arguments about the most apartheid nation on earth. (I say that, again, as a jew (small j) I ask you one more time: which of these two countries (one of whom is ARMED by Israel) has broken and/or ignored over 100 UN resolutions on their behaviour? Resolutions passed by the WORLD’S nations. Most people, a huge number of Jews included (like the ones in the article above), have had enough of the rampant bullshit perpetrated by the rabid fascist… Read more »

mark
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mark

Don’t be too hard on the poor chap. He has to earn his shekel a line. The hasbara centre manager is on his back again.

milosevic
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milosevic

Israel is looking to hire university students to post pro-Israel messages on social media networks — without needing to identify themselves as government-linked, officials said Wednesday. The Israeli prime minister’s office said in a statement that students on Israeli university campuses would receive full or partial scholarships to combat anti-Semitism and calls to boycott Israel online. It said students’ messages would parallel statements by government officials. “This is a groundbreaking project aimed at strengthening Israeli national diplomacy and adapting it to changes in information consumption,” the statement said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/ Hasbara Fellowships is proud to offer a social media advocacy internship… Read more »

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mark

“Little Israel” has far more warheads in its huge illegal nuclear arsenal than India and Pakistan combined, which it constantly threatens to use against everybody else, including Europe. And India and Pakistan are not genocidal terrorist Apartheid regimes, unlike Israel. India and Pakistan did not sell atomic bombs to Apartheid South Africa, unlike a certain other little country. And India and Pakistan do not have a complete stranglehold over the political and media life of the US and all western countries, as little Israel does over its goy satellites. 99% of the 30 shekel whores in Parliament are not Friends… Read more »

Antonym
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Antonym

Fantasy land in black and white: disconnected from reality.

mark
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mark

The Zionist Establishment are constantly screaming about the 1940s “holocaust”, with every other day a “Holocaust Memorial Day”, a Holocaust Museum on every street corner, and a new Hollywood holocaust blockbuster once a week. Has “anybody ever tallied” the much higher death toll of the Native American Holocaust (over 100 million), or the Belgian Congo Genocide (10 million) or the African Slavery victims (30 million)? The vast numbers of victims make the 1940s “holocaust” trivial by comparison. It should be illegal to complain about it, or even mention it, unless you have first talked about the Native Americans, the Congolese,… Read more »

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@Antonym In what way do Pakistan Brits influence UK & MSM politics. Do you mean the time when Twat-hat David Cameron wrote to the Imams requesting they keep their flocks in order? Can you imagine the backlash if he had written to Bishops asking them to politicise the pulpit ‘cos their “flock” was not being very Christian, or more pertinent, if those letters were admonishing the Rabbis for the support their flocks were giving Israel? Not only was twat-hat being totally o/o/o and an Islamaphobe, but he set a precedent of attacking the moslem faith as being responsible for the… Read more »

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DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

Labour members are signing upto a letter according to the Grauniad. Make of it what you will! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScyRkgnrCxh6ZJ5uUVu2-cwDaX2WNVtlngwY5AaX0lPY5hFAg/viewform Some snippets from that very long letter: “We are Labour members who support Jeremy Corbyn in his leadership and the progressive, socialist programme and anti-racist principles of the Labour Party. We have seen antisemitism from Labour members and supporters, online or offline. We recognise that as a movement we have been too slow to acknowledge this problem, too tolerant of the existence of antisemitic views within our ranks, too defensive and too eager to downplay it. We sincerely apologise to the Jewish… Read more »

bevin
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bevin

The basic problem is that Jews are being dealt with as if they were a race rather than a number of related religious groups with more or less, in terms of rites, ceremonies and traditions, in common. Most of those identified as Jews are not religious, many of them are atheists and determinedly secular. This is one of the reasons that anti-semitism is made so much of: the self proclaimed leaders of the Jewish community are very conscious of the melting away of their constituency into the general population, our society. Jews are as likely to drop their religious practises… Read more »

milosevic
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milosevic

While the other parties flirted with fascism and inclined to appeasement and collaboration Labour stood firm for its principles.

You mean, like when they all voted for the Iraq War?

Antonym
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Antonym

Jews are as likely to drop their religious practises as Presbyterians, Catholics, Anglicans and the millions descended from other religious groups, muslims, hindus, buddhists and others.

My bold on the bullsh*t: Islam has violent apostacy rules : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

You know this but hide it which is very telling about from where your coming….

mohandeer
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@Antonym. Your version presumably explains why in secular sovereign states like syria, many Moslems intermarry with Christians?
Your claim does not hold water.

mark
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mark

See how tolerant Zionists are to mixed marriages in Israel. And try leading a normal life anywhere near orthodox fanatics and see what happens.

Antonym
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Antonym

For a mixed marriage with a Muslim you’ll have to convert first to Islam.
Try living near Orthodox Islamic fanatics: there are 1000 x more of them, so the chance is much bigger.

Gwyn
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Gwyn

”Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.” So said Shulamit Aloni, a former Israeli politician (who served as leader of the Meretz Party and as Minister of Education), when asked by Amy Goodman about dissent expressed in the United States against the policies of the Israeli government. Nowadays, of course, anyone, wherever they happen to be based, who has the temerity to question the actions of the Israeli state is automatically branded an anti-Semite.… Read more »

Shardlake
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Shardlake

Gwyn : Thank you for the Finkelstein clip, a most moving and apt inclusion to your post. In Dame Margaret Hodge’s attempt to demonise Mr Corbyn, as the Russian and terrorist tropes proved to gain little traction, she evidently thought antisemitism would be a trick which just might work. The sad thing (for her) is that she herself can now be seen to be antisemitic in the true sense as she devalues the plight and memory of jewish victims and others of the Holocaust as described by Mr Finkelstein.

Rhys Jaggar
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Rhys Jaggar

It would certainly be historically accurate to have summarised Margaret Hodge’s leadership of Islington council three decades ago as the actions of ‘a f***ing incompetent, ostrich-like, paedophile-appeasing, stonewalling c**t of the first order’, although Mr Corbyn was by no means exemplary when ordering his priorities as an Islington MP during the times so devastatingly summarised in the White Report in 1995.

So I am not quite sure why Ms Hodge is so smarmy and self righteous…..

bevin
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bevin

“I am not quite sure why Ms Hodge is so smarmy and self righteous…..”
Because she is enormously wealthy, perhaps? And not very bright.

Fair dinkum
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Fair dinkum

When psychopaths/sociopaths are cornered, they attack.
They have no concept of self reflection.
They are akin to rabid dogs.
They will suffocate on their own vomit.

Salford Lad
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Salford Lad

The anti-Semitism accusation is is the go-to trope used by the Zionists to attack anyone who dares criticise Israel and their genocide and land-grabbing in Palestine. The possibility of Jeremy Corbyn becoming PM is what terrifies them, because of his long support for the Palestinian cause. However JC has already committed political hari-kari by his declared stance on opposing a no-deal Brexit. Labour loyalists consider this a betrayal and will depart the Party in droves. JC is insufficiently ruthless to lead such a fractious Party as Labour and Tom Watson is a traitorous dog. Chris Williamson was a solid supporter… Read more »

JohnG
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JohnG

Tom Watson should have been expelled long ago. I expect his local constituency party is looking at their options now.

bevin
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bevin

My suspicion is that his constituency party might be part of the problem. It is no coincidence that he is one of several West Midland Labour MPs distinguished as unrepentantly right wing. Birmingham City Council is ruled by a Labour Group which is notorious for its Thatcherite policies, for example. For many years inner city parties kept their membership numbers very low and made it difficult for outsiders to join and impossible for them to exercise their democratic rights. In such circumstances corrupt cliques flourish until the rot becomes so bad that the electorate gets rid of them. There are… Read more »

Mikalina
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Mikalina

Painfully accurate assessment of West Midlands politics, Bevin. Watson was very involved with the mayoral election no-one wanted – but, not that it will make any difference, his candidate lost.

‘Fiefdoms’ is the word.

Themandus
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Themandus

There can be no Jewish state until the return of the Messiah, no Zionist, no Zionism and no Israel….so say the Hassidic – others say they’re not a Zionist and dont follow Zionism because it’s Nationalist and Extreme, so they consider themselves Israeli alone – others say being a Zionist is Spiritual but they don’t follow Zionism because that would be Political and the two shouldn’t be allied….and for some, being a Zionist is just being part of the country and has no connection to a Faith or Politics ….Them being a few of the varied examples of how Jewish… Read more »

Antonym
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Antonym

Can you add an explanation why Mohammed needed a dream to lay a claim on far away Jerusalem too? He never went there in his physical body.

Hint: it was the only other “Holy” place he knew about – for Jews and Christians.

mark
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mark

Jerusalem was originally the most holy place in Islam, above Mecca. Moslems were instructed to pray facing Jerusalem. This only changed later. The Prophet travelled there in his famous Night Journey, when he ascended up to Heaven from what is now the Rock of The Dome Of The Rock, the oldest moslem religious building in existence. The Rock tried to rise up with him, and he had to press it down to stop it, leaving the imprint of his foot in the rock. He met Allah, Jesus and Moses in Heaven, where he was given all the tenets of the… Read more »

harry stotle
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harry stotle

Just to add a couple of points to this splendid analysis. First the Guardian is the key engine of disinformation, at the least in the liberal sphere, producing endlless articles associating antisemitism with Corbyn or his supporters then either shutting down the right to reply or censoring views that deviate too far from their predetermined narrative. To add insult to injury the Guardian produce little or no evidence to substantiate the serious allegations they make, they just have to be taken as read: to challenge them is in itself a form of racism. Yet once tainted by this Kafkaesque process… Read more »