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A Religious Wake-up Call

Kevin Smith and Lesley Buckley

Women attend mass inside the Ibrahim al-Khalil church in Jaramana, eastern Damascus, Syria on March 1, 2015 (source)

What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?”
Gospel of Mark, 8:36

I’ve been looking at religion for some time now, thinking if there are areas where perhaps it can be more involved as a voice against regime change, extremist ideology and continuous war.

My thoughts on the concept of religion and its basic teaching are positive. Despite what some people say, I think peace and compassion is a strong theme in the writings of the Bible and Koran. But, I’m sure like me there are many of us who take issue with the behaviour of the religious hierarchy and some followers.

Recently, I attended a course which explores the basics of Christianity and what underpins Christian beliefs. Among the thoughts I had is why Jesus has not paid us a return visit maybe to give us a further chance to change. With so many more people living on our planet and in such dangerous and immoral times, surely we are in need of a big dose of forgiveness and guidance to change our ways?

One of the stories in The Gospel of Mark is about some people asking why Jesus sat at the table with tax-collectors and those considered to have committed sin. Jesus replied ‘It’s not the healthy who need a doctor but those who are ill. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners’

Looking at events today, I wonder where he would he start. Not only do the majority of the general population in the West need guidance to varying degrees but those claiming to be carrying out god’s work need particular attention.

2,000 years on from Jesus I don’t think there’s as much war purely based on religion. But there is more greed and materialism, ignorance, dishonesty and obsession with power which sadly has also affected followers of religion.

Here are few examples of this within religion at different levels.

The religious establishment

The shocking financial and sex scandals of the Catholic Church past and present are well known. And apart from this the Vatican and Catholic Church have actively involved itself in war and mass murder. The support this church gave towards the Nazi puppet Ustase movement in Croatia during World War II and Croatia in the early 1990s, examples of a religious establishment which has lost any moral authority.

In many ways the Vatican is a mirror image of our political establishment – corrupt and self-serving but somehow survives the scandals, perhaps because crime in this church has become almost normal or of a notion among some it has a right to be above the law. The Catholic Church is not the only Christian church caught up in various scandals and hypocrisy.

Likewise in the Middle East we’ve seen the rise of Wahhabism a doctrine promoted by Saudi Arabia which is a distortion of Islam. This ideology has been responsible, in part for terrorism and the wars being fought against secular, moderate states in the Middle East.

Religious media coverage

Admittedly there is some decent coverage in some religious focused media. For example there are some which have highlighted the plight of Christians and other groups in Syria and Iraq and spoken out against war. But like in the general media, truth and balance is the exception.

One typically inward-looking site is The Trumpet which publishes a magazine read by 1 million people. It is a Christian publication which also has quite a lot to say on geo-politics. A lot of the content mentions the prophecies promoted by Herbert W Armstrong. The editor-in-chief is Gerald Flurry of the Philadelphia Church of God.

Flurry writes about events in the world and many might say he shoe-horns the news to fit the prophecies which I guess is not unusual among American fundamentalist conservatives. But what he writes is away with the fairies.

This is from the statements of beliefs of the Philadelphia Church of God.

The Church’s beliefs

We believe Christians are forbidden to kill (Exod. 20:13) or in any manner directly or indirectly take human life. We believe bearing arms is contrary to this doctrine

But reading just some of the articles it becomes clear that The Trumpet is very much against anything remotely resembling pacifism and is really promoting war. Articles highly critical of Russia, China and ‘appeasement’ towards them feature prominently throughout, including this recent commentary about the US’s withdrawal from the INF Treaty:

The Russians, as would be expected, are playing the victim. They are accusing America of destabilizing the world by leaving the INF Treaty. But that is an obvious misrepresentation of the facts. And now, largely because the Europeans are frightened by Russia’s increasing aggression, the risk of global nuclear war is becoming higher’

And Iran seems to be a regular target of attack – commentary here describing Iran as a promoter of radical Islam.

And I probably don’t need to explain the recent story of Marco Rubio, Senator for Florida inciting murder against the Venezuelan President on Twitter. Included in his Twitter profile – ‘Follower of Christ’. No wonder religion is in trouble with lunatics like this in its ranks.

Religion at grass-roots

One example many of us will recall was the subject of this recent OFF-G article – Samara Levy, a charity worker involved in Syria and the Middle East. It was a fascinating case-study of how some people use charity and religion as a cover for criminal behavior

I visited her website and came across this stuff in her background story.

Throughout this piece Levy mentions that in getting her charity off the ground she received strength from God who replied to her prayers telling her several times over a period to “start collecting”

I wonder at which point God told her to “start scamming”.

And on a day-to-day basis in our society you see some ordinary followers of religions intolerant of other faiths and not condemning criminals and extremists within their ranks, rather than observing the true teachings of their religions. Many local religious leaders seem to do little to discourage this and much like the wider population, followers have become disconnected from the suffering and injustices in the wider world.

The co-writer of this article was at a wedding recently attended by regular church-goers. Unfortunately their conversation was concerned with which congregation paid the most to an overseas mission or which congregation was the ‘better’ one.

So with all these people hijacking religion for their own selfish needs it’s easy to see why it might not be much help to anyone.

‘The Church of Syria’ – Secularism and religion

But are there parts of religion, within a system which encourages the values we can embrace and spread a message of truth over dishonesty, peace over war and compassion over intolerance?

As I say, there are positive aspects to the original religious teachings and principles in Christianity and Islam. My idea is to embrace the good which can be found in sufficient measure and with a strong voice promote it as distinct and unique.

One state where religious tolerance and understanding exists is Syria. It has a model of secularism which is unique and resilient and has withstood nearly 8 years of war directed against it from outside. But how is it still possible that a country of over 20 ethnic groups and numerous religions and sects have survived this onslaught?

There is a major difference between say the French version of secularism which is about banning religious symbols and expression and secularism in Syria. Real secularism, as in Syria is less about banning but more about celebrating difference and diversity.

Syria has long prided itself on its unique and diverse heritage. I’ve heard it described as a state for all religions and no religion. It therefore may not be surprising that Syrians of all faiths are remarkably united against a common enemy – not other religions but an external sectarian army which seeks to divide them.

There seems to be an in-built community spirit and compassion for fellow citizens which is largely absent in the West. The lives of the people are far closer to the sentiments of kindness and forgiveness written in the Bible and Koran – and just basic decency.

I think the reason Syria has survived war waged against it is due to their faith, religious or otherwise plus the vital, unique secular framework which binds the people and religions together. Secularism in Syria and religion complement each other like nowhere else.

Having identified values to embrace what about finding a strong voice in mobilising religion generally against war? This is difficult because you have to change the behaviour of many. But I think it is about firstly trying to change the attitude of many more, including decent but distracted people.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”
Edmund Burke

With this well known quote in mind we need to stop accepting that criminal behaviour in our governments, media, charities and churches is somehow normal or ‘part of the deal’

So the first thing we need to do is reflect on is basic decency. I’m not talking about strict religious observance or moral codes – just decency. Then I believe we need to spread the message through our actions. If your church doesn’t represent the good I described above or just goes through the motions, tell them about how religion and community spirit works in Syria.

As well as being uncompromising about exposing evil we should specifically highlight the success of Syria and its people. They’ve done religion and humanity a huge favour by showing how things can and should be done. It’s now up to religion and humanity to wake up and see it

And if your church or religion still won’t change and speak for Syria and wider humanity and against war – consider leaving your local church.

For those not of any religious faith spread, the message to anyone who will listen, pointing out that secularism in the Middle East and Syria is also vital for our own national security and interests. If we continue to destroy through war we will be destroyed by the inevitable blow-back.

And until mainstream religion pulls together and speaks for all humanity, I’m joining ‘The Church of Syria’ – it’s the best church in the world.

Kevin Smith is a British citizen living and working in London. He researches and writes down his thoughts on the foreign wars promoted by Western governments and media. In the highly controlled and dumbed down UK media environment, he’s keen on exploring ways of discouraging ideology and tribalism in favour of free thinking. Lesley Buckley lives in Cambridgeshire and has a Masters degree from the University of Cambridge. She’s interested in learning about the world as it really is – not how it is portrayed to be in mainstream media.
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binra
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If you wake up to identity politics – then you wake up to that ANY face or form can be used to mask a hidden agenda. What something is USED for is what it is – not what it claims to be or looks like. Orwell coined the idea of double think and doublespeak. Here’s another one: ‘Organised religion’. Organised love is a front for the organised evasion of honesty of being. This is not to say we cant be social and join in what moves us – but then you grow and institutional and group identity which is not… Read more »

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

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notheonly1
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notheonly1

Due to severe technical issues here in South America – internet working only sporadically and erratically – I was not able to partake in this discussion this morning. Allow me to join now, although the minds may have moved on to the next subject already. It is by no means intended to rock anyone’s boat. May all beings believe what they care to believe – with the exception of creating suffering and pain. If that is permissible in what one believes in, than this belief should be dropped. *** With all due respect, but to talk about a ‘God’ as… Read more »

Joerg
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Joerg

@notheonly1 To me, notheonly1, You come very close, but there are a few important points, I have to disagree. You are absolutely right to point out that the “universe” is exclusively the world of the senses. Buddha once said: “The whole universe is in this 6 feet tall body”. You are also right to say: “When two Human Beings are talking to each other, the Universe has a monologue.” This is why Buddha compared reality with a dream. We may dream to be with other people we talk to and they talk to us. But when we wake up we… Read more »

notheonly1
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notheonly1

Actually, I did not perceive it as having been ‘heavy’. Maybe the reason for that is, that I am always ready to go where no mind has gone before. 🙂 Where I have ended up today, has to be credited to Georg Grimm’s Die Lehre des Buddho. While all philosophers combined reflect the desire to figure out what ‘all this is about’ and ‘how to go about in it’, Georg Grimm used the untranslated source of the Bhagavad Gita and started to analyze it independently from the existing interpretations. Having recommended his standard work about Buddhism in the German language,… Read more »

Joerg
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Joerg

Religion is the pest that plagues the world. And nowadays it is getting even as bad as in the Middle Ages or the time until 1600 AD – with killing, dislodging or dragging before court (Indonesia, Pakistan et al.) non-believers or believers of other religions. And these religious people are not only Muslims but also “Evangelists” or “Judaic-Christians”. Like Trump, Pompeo and others. They want an “Armageddon” (Revelation of John) or total destruction, because only then can they have their “New Jerusalem”, which, in the end, supposedly opens door to permanent Paradise And, yes, user rogerglewis is right to point… Read more »

Bernie Holland
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Bernie Holland

To quote you “Worst example of an “inside”-religion turning “outside” is nowadays Buddhism. Only the Zen-faction still tries to keep the inside-way open. Nice Zen-quote: “When you spoke out the word “holy” – wash out your mouth afterwards!” – I could not disagree more with a comment such as this – it is the height of insensitivity. Perhaps you could explain why you said this ?

Joerg
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Joerg

@Bernie Holland Explanation: 1) “Only the Zen-faction still tries to keep the inside-way open” a) Theravada (ruling Buddhism in Southeast-Asia+Sri Lanka): For laymen and for monks/nuns to delve consciousness is absolutely unusual. Monks from Europe and North America, who try to delve consciousnes, are made fun of. Also are they suspected to try to cause the laymen to give them more or more often gifts. To this see “The Broken Buddha” – http://www.buddhistische-gesellschaft-berlin.de/downloads/brokenbuddhanew.pdf Also the method to delve has been darkened in the Pali-Texts (I believe even earlier then 2000 years ago). This method of “Satipatthana Vipassana” doesn’t work! b)… Read more »

Bernie Holland
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Bernie Holland

Religion – the word itself derives from ‘ligere’ (Latin) for ‘to join together’. There is no unity in any of the religions that have been peddled in your article and even Confucianism is a blind alley. Find me a true religion ( based on a Law or Principle rather than some concocted “supreme being”) that can instruct people to be of one true mind, whilst being of differing physical nature, whereby they can work together, celebrating their diversity, for the peace and security of the land, then I will follow it earnestly, assiduously and sincerely.

Joerg
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Joerg

@Bernie Holland
Sorry, Bernie, but Your Etymology is not right here: The term “Religion” comes from (Latin) “religere”. “religere” means: “to carefully observe” – meant in relation to auspices, prescriptions (often ritual rules). It also means “to bear in mind /consider”.

vexarb
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vexarb

Joerg, thanks for the correct etymology, I was under the same facile rationalist misapprehension until I found Robert Graves clearing it up in The White Goddess. He adds, that a poet can clearly see that “religere” means “to talk of serious things” by the way the word is scanned in the poetry of Lucretius (who despised the mind-made manacles of Religion, and preached the liberating news that we have no souls and dissolution of the body will only complete the happy mental nothingness that comes from dissolution of the brain).

Joerg
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Joerg

@vexarb
You seem to be quite “cultured” (I had to look this word up in my German-English dictionary, which also offered me the word “gentlemanly”. But using that word would probably earn me immediate trouble with LGBT and Feminists, so I stay with “cultured”).

I had to look up “Lucretius” (yes, Wikipedia, *sigh*). I’d agree with Lucretius, that there is no “soul”. But then again the old Romans never had a talent for philosophy. Yes, fantastic lawyers (“jurisprudentia”), fantastic technicians, fantastic organisers – but no real philosophers.

vexarb
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vexarb

Joerg, agreed about the ancient Romans. Tremendous constructors, they invented concrete so that they could build solidly: roads, aqueducts, drains, bigger, faster. But these worthy Empire Builders lacked imagination; their very thinking was concrete.

Joerg
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Joerg

@vexarb “concrete”: Yes, even concrete that was saltwater-resistant – I believe this was not reinvented until the 20th century. And Your “lacked imagination” goes indeed deeper than my “no real philosophers”. That what I read on German-Wikipedia about Your Lucretius put me to an aspect I have never thought of before: The Romans and “Love”. German-Wiki writes about Lucretius and his De rerum natura: “In order not to fall in love, Lucretius recommends his readers to visit a brothel”. Come on, Lucretius! Sexual desire and falling in love is not the same!!! With Romeo and Julia I can imagine the… Read more »

vexarb
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vexarb

Joerg, interesting question, were the Romans strong on Romance? I cannot answer, not having read much Roman literature apart from De Rerum Natura; though Ovid is credited with an Ars Amoris, and Virgil with Dio and Aeneas. Catullus wrote famous love poems but Robert Graves says that’s because Catullus was no true Roman but a Celt. Among the merry Greeks, on the other hand, Aphrodite as you say was busy. I can recall several love stories in Homer: Helen and Paris, Menelaus and Helen, Zeus and Hera, Hephc4aestus and Aphodite, Aphrodite and Mars, Hector, Andromache and their baby son, Ulysses… Read more »

Joerg
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Joerg

@vexarb
Wow! You really know a lot about the Greeks. Thanks.

With Ovid it’s seems also only Sex – not Love. I don’t remember if it was our Latin-teacher or an elder pupil at our school, who tipped me off with this verse of Ovid:
Inter oses virgines
est laetitia juvenis”

(“Between the legs of the young ladies, is the joy of the young men”).

binra
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Religious love – is of a different order than than romance or eros. Or love of privately possessed pleasures. Love of truth is the truth of love. A special ‘love’ is set apart or made sacred as a symbolic association – as image or idol. In antiquity – and ever since – gods of terror invoked emulation and appeasement such that NOT being destroyed was received as divine favour – and dedications and sacrifices to gods invoked them for the right and might to prevail. The archetypal themes of such ancient experience is our narrative or dramatic consciousness running largely… Read more »

Mikalina
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Mikalina

I’d go for the ligere but more with a binding action than a joining action – to bind. If you take the prefix, re, this usually means ‘again’? so – tying us to something once again which is leading us around by the nose?

Bootlyboob
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Bootlyboob

God doesn’t exist. I’ve been technically dead before for a number of minutes and I don’t remember anything. So there’s no other side to go to. But, besides my personal experience, what basis do we actually have that he does? I can’t see any. I wish people would just wake up out of their somnambulant state and have the balls to look at the world without the safety blanket of a god. It’s such a waste of time.

Fair dinkum
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Fair dinkum

Of course god doesn’t exist.
God is ‘out’ of existence.
God simply IS.
Love does not ‘exist’ either.
It simply IS.
Only humans feel it, act it, make it.
Love is utterly intangible, but it is more real than water.
Test it.
In your experience.

vexarb
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vexarb

BigB, what you have written is more subtle than the common sense rationalism which has been expounded throughout the ages, from Epicurus through Lucretius to the British Empiricists and Logical Atomists. You quote from a Buddhist, and I am aware that Buddhism is an attractive religious outlook for physicists since its world view “has no need of the hypothesis” of a Supreme Being to explain its Universe. But even in Buddhism there are two worlds — or two aspects of the same world: Samsara and Nirvana. The former is the known world in our mouth, up our nose and under… Read more »

BigB
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BigB

Vex: I know, and I haven’t even got to the subtle bit yet! The subject is a ‘religious wake up call’. What can be more of a wake up call than that our inherited, received, acculturated notions of Being have gone mad – and are cannibalising themselves? What do I mean? Not only has the hierarchical regime entailed in conceptual notions of Being raised the most egotistical narcissists to the positions of world leadership: the concept of Being has been transferred – as corporate personhood (incorporation) – to the TNCs that are omnicidally raping the planet. Even the EU, as… Read more »

vexarb
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vexarb

BigB, though your thought is now too subtle for me, I hope this Link expresses what I think you are saying: a call for inner and outer peace without fudging the issues. It was written by very sick man who was also religious, near the end of his life and after a war. So profoundly religious that one Church Worthy described this act of worship as a Black Mass.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=URMtKDr7Gww

Grafter
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Grafter

Religion …a concocted sham of “beliefs” manufactured by humans. Used by the powerful to justify genocidal behaviour and war. Wise words and tales to salve the conscience of monsters and give false hope to their victims of a better life in the hereafter. No thanks.

vexarb
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vexarb

Reverend Hassan Nasr’Allah, an effective voice of sanity in a Middle East. No wonder the Mad May regime in Zio Capitalist London wants to outlaw him.

https://thesaker.is/hassan-nasrallah-on-syria-the-us-protected-isis-to-the-end-kurds-and-turkey-are-the-biggest-losers/?inmoderation

The manic beginning of London’s insane strategy for Syria:
“Of all the glad new year, mother, the maddest, merriest day,
For I ‘m to be Queen o’ the May, mother, I ‘m to be Queen o’ the May.”
And the depressive, drug-soothed ending:
“I feel no pain now, mother dear, but O! my throat is dry!
Connect me to a brewery, and leave me there to die”.

Gezzah Potts
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Gezzah Potts

Vexarb: watched a number of Hassan Nasrallah videos, usually via The Saker, and he bangs the nail right on the head each time I hear him. Most impressive, but, hey, the truth must be censored and disappeared by the Empire’s puppets, hence Hezbollah are made into ‘terrorists’ by those who actually support, fund and arm Real headchopping terrorists. I wonder if they see the irony in all this?

mark
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mark

Anyone who tries to defend themselves from Zionist criminality is a “terrorist.”

“This animal is dangerous. When attacked, it defends itself.” Voltaire

vexarb
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crank
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crank

Death.
Not in the article or underneath has anyone written of death, and what it means.
Let nothing be more familiar

vexarb
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vexarb

Crank, you want a mention of death well here it is, in this post from Saker Vineyard: Larchmonter445 on March 04, 2019  ·  at 10:00 am EST/EDT Very instructive to follow the thought process and analytics of Nasrallah. Though he is a man of religion and ideology, he is a very clear thinker, who bases his conclusions on reality and facts. The Idlib solution, as he points out several times, is going to be a Russian operation (using Syrian and allied troops). _It will be the total annihilation of al Nusra, which does number at least 30,000, and probably, now… Read more »

vexarb
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vexarb

PS more about death on its inexorable way. From the Syrian Army facebook page, a very reliable site. Note the words _martyred_ and _hell_: “At 01:30 this morning, a terrorist group launched an attack on several SAA points in Northern Hamah using different types of weaponry; the attack was preceded by mortar fire. SAA units at the axes or attack efficiently defended their points and dealt heavy loses to terrorists foiling their attack. A second large scale attack was launched at 16:30 this evening at al-Qalaa mountains in Northern Latakia, which was also foiled by SAA units. In the process,… Read more »

rogerglewis
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I have read a great deal in the past ten years and no book has taken more of my time and thought than Donald Neal Walsh’s, Conversations with God. Its a small slim volume and yet it took me 3 months at least to read, I read it every evening over that time and found myself pondering g and re-visiting a lot of Philosophy and Political Theory and comparitive religion to help process the thought processes set out by the Book. Lessons from ‘Conversations With God’ Book 1, Neale Donald Walsch (Part 3 of 3) Portrait of Neale Donald Walsch… Read more »

vexarb
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vexarb

Anglo Zio Capitalist adherents of the Church of Mammon, whose only god is money, are losing in all 3 rounds of their Globalist war against the Globe. From SyrianPerspective’s analyst Canthama come 3 reflections on the end games in Syria, in Venezuela and in Russia’s Western Ukraina: Canthama #288076 It seems the timing and momentum for the military campaign to free Syria’s NW is approaching, Al Masdar News has just reported: “The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and Russian military are preparing to launch a massive offensive in the northwestern region of Syria, a source in Damascus told Al-Masdar News on… Read more »

Antonnym
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Antonnym

Anglo Zio Capitalist adherents of the Church of Mammon, whose only god is money

why single this group out? Are the Rockefellers, Gates or Bezos, x, y, z Zionists?

mark
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mark

Why single this group out.
Because it dominates all aspects of life on this planet, to the detriment of all humanity.
Because it has its jackboot on the neck of humanity.
Because it slaughters, starves and immiserates tens and hundreds of millions, and will continue to do so until it is destroyed, and mankind can finally breathe easily.
Because it seeks to strangle economically 40% of humanity.
If it was the Fijians, or the Cambodians, or the Nepalese, or the Botswanans doing this, they would be “singled out” for doing so.
But it isn’t.

Hope that explains it.

Antonym
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Antonym

So this mini club of 15 million has magic powers, because others have much more money.
By this you make them the Chosen people by “God” and you as a “man” also choose them as targets.

mark
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mark

Not the power of magic.
The power of money. The power of corruption. The power of bribery. The power of lies. The power of blackmail. The power of manipulation. The power of threats. The power of terror. The power of murder.
And that is the power of a lot less than 15 million. Just 6,000 in America. And 5,000 in Britain. Similar numbers elsewhere.

Hope that explains it.

Iz-it-coz-U-iz?
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Iz-it-coz-U-iz?

Antzy iztz coz U iz balck?
https://youtu.be/QaZbrqE1CF4

Fair dinkum
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Fair dinkum

Religion, like capitalism, communism, hedonism, sexism, atheism etc etc, are all forms of learned ignorance.
Every child born was/is born with the knowledge of Truth. It gets buried by the (often well meaning) learned ignorance of others.
Stillness, or cultivating the practice of thought-less-ness, is the only way to leave the cage of words, concepts or delusions.
It can be a long journey but the destination is in-conceivably perfect.

Denis O'hAichir
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Denis O'hAichir

Ephesians 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

mark
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mark

All the holy books of the 3 main religions have significant content which can only be described as utterly vile. A blatant and repulsive celebration of massacre, slaughter, genocide, aggressive war, slavery, racism, bigotry, oppression and tyranny. I found this totally unacceptable when I first became aware of it, aged 11-12, and could see no conceivable justification for it. I don’t see how these can possibly be used as a model on which people can base their lives.. Over the years this material has caused incalculable human suffering. It has been used to justify the worst genocides in human history,… Read more »

vexarb
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vexarb

Mark, I cannot fault your rationalism, nor similar anti-religious essays of Lucretius, Voltaire, Gibbon and Russel. But somehow I believe that the unseen world is larger and more mysterious than the obvious one that is in front of our noses. Three great men climbed up the high mountains; all three found fish bones among the rock. Voltaire said, It’s obvious: some monk had his Friday Supper here, and threw the fish bones away. Leonardo said, There is much here that is mysterious; chalk rock is lighter than other rock, perhaps these hills were once under the sea, and were lifted… Read more »

mark
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mark

You could be right. There is so much we will never know. Current scientific orthodoxy is that before the universe came into existence 14 billion years ago. all the billions of galaxies, planets, everything on this world, everything that exists, has existed or will ever exist, was concentrated in a single speck of matter the size of a pin head. This may or may not be true, but I can’t grasp the concept of it. In a sense this seems more fantastical than any of the more dubious and ridiculed content of these holy books. There are others who argue… Read more »

BigB
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BigB

Mark

Not grasping the concept is the height of honesty. Being satisfied with not grasping the concept is the root of understanding.

BigB
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BigB

There is nothing beyond our conscious experience of it. A noumenal world beyond sensory experience has to be brought into sensory experience and interpreted through the senses in order to experience it. There can be no extra-conscious experience. The world ‘beyond’, even when we can extend our physical senses, and their biological morphology and determination (the visible spectrum of light we can see, for instance) still needs a conscious interpreter – to bring information into the sensorium of conscious experience. And that interpreter is not impartil, but a participant who may be altering the extra-sensory reality (collapsing the wave function,… Read more »

Mikalina
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Mikalina

Wasn’t me.

BigB
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BigB

🙂

Antonnym
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Antonnym

The Gospel of Mark:
All the holy books of the 3 main religions have significant content which can only be described as utterly vile.

he is only knows of these 3 (?) religions but ALWAYS singles out only one constantly.
He only sees Zionism, no Arab nationalism or Christian, no just one in one place.

Some Random Passer-by
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Some Random Passer-by

Stopped at third paragraph.

He ain’t coming, because he doesn’t exist.

I watched my dad die of motor neurone disease as a child.

What God gives that out?

Oh, and if by some chance I’m wrong, then he’s got some explaining to do when I catch up with him!