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DISCUSS: Theresa May Promises to Resign

The weird world of post-Brexit vote UK politics swirls around some more. Now, in order to try to force her deal through the commons, May has pledged to resign as Prime Minister.

The field is set for a Tory leadership contest – the field for which is as narrow as it is unpromising. Boris Johnson is national joke, and sign that Britons will so far as to actually vote ironically. Michael Gove is a slimy lunatic, so right-wing that Ken Clarke and Liam Fox “raise their eyebrows”. Sajid Javid is as forgettable as he is unpopular. Amber Heard was found in contempt of Parliament less than a year ago.

In the final analysis we will have a Prime Minister the people didn’t chose, leading a parliament with no majority to force through a deal that’s already lost a commons vote. Twice.

British “democracy” is becoming a joke.

  • How long before a General Election simply has to be called?
  • Will the Labour MPs who scheme to replace Corbyn sabotage their own party, again?
  • Will the Independet Group be wiped out of Parliament?
  • Will the Tories hold off on the GE until Corbyn has been further smeared and/or forcibly removed? Or will the just fix the vote?
  • Will the increasing attempts to dismantle the very idea of Brexit be successful?
  • Is Brexit ever going to actually happen?

Discuss below.


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Ross Hendry
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The current imbroglio has really highlighted that our political system is deeply anachronistic, suitable only for vain nincompoops like Bercow who are addicted to the dated theatrics of it all.

The whole idea of electing local representatives to send to a parliament in London is the creation of the horse-drawn carriage age. It will surely sooner or later dawn on us all that as we are now in the internet age we no longer need to pretend that one person can somehow represent the views of thousands of constituents. Every single member of the electorate can now remotely participate in government debates and votes, and history will certainly pan out this way. The only question is how long will it take for the self-important buffoons in parliament to be phased out and invited to spend all (not just more of) their time with their families.

Not before time we have found out that the majority of MPs were only ever really representing themselves, albeit often as covertly as possible for fear that voters might rumble their game. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if and when it transpires that a General Election is on the horizon that many MPs who have been quietly scuppering Brexit suddenly develop very public Leave sympathies.

Anyway, at least the major problem has at long last been revealed by the Brexit shenanigans. Can we please all start to participate in our government as soon as possible? As a result public apathy and cynicism on politics, and no doubt much else, would likely disappear overnight. Players behave very differently to mere spectators.

mark
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mark

Serious Question: Doesn’t participating in this irredeemably corrupt and dysfunctional system just give it undeserved legitimacy and sustain it well past its sell by date?

“Everybody must be really happy with our sham democracy Kosher Sandwich Shitshow because they all voted in our bogus meaningless elections.”

In 2016, 130 million people voted for the Orange Baboon, Crooked Hillary and the Green Idiot. 120 million (48%) didn’t vote at all. They realised that the whole tawdry, degrading spectacle was completely irrelevant to their lives.

Suppose that 120 million became 250 million, and nobody voted for these totally worthless, arrogant, corrupt, self serving, degenerate Zionist stooge pieces of filth. That even their own dog wouldn’t vote for them. Wouldn’t that cut them down to size and put them in their place?

Just asking. .

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Exactly.

Indeed, BCD Berk-Cow Diseased vanity, fairly & legitimately speaks for ‘one size fits all’ and yer’ so right about the revelation. Players do behave so very differently from mere spectators.

Great to read your views again, Ross:
where on earth have you been, up the Limpopo ? 🙂

Your level headed viewpoint was sorely missed, on many occasions, say I . . .

‘Keeping things whole’

In a field
I am the absence
of field.
This is
always the case.
Wherever I am
I am what is missing.

When I walk
I part the air
and always
the air moves in
to fill the spaces
where my body’s been.

We all have reasons
for moving.
I move
to keep things whole.

Mark Strand

Hope you are fit & well,
Best wishes,
Tim

Makropulos
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Makropulos

On the topic of “democracy” there is this wonderful passage from the preface to Guido Giacomo Preparata’s “Conjuring Hitler”. It is a footnote that starts on page 3. It’s a whopper of a quote but it’s well worth reading:

“So-called ‘democracy’ is a sham, the ballot a travesty. In modern bureaucratized systems, whose birth dates from the mid-nineteenth century, the feudal organization has been carried to the next level, so to speak. A chief objective of what Thucydides referred to in his epoch as synomosiai (literally ‘exchanges of oaths’), that is, the out-of-sight fraternities acting behind the ruling clans, has been to make the process of the exaction of rents from the population (a ‘free income’ in the form of rents, financial charges and like thefts) as unfathomable and impenetrable as possible. The tremendous sophistication, and the propagandistic wall of artfully divulged misconceptions surrounding the banking system (we will return to this theme in Chapter 4), which is the chief instrument wherewith the hierarchs expropriate and control the wealth of their supporting community, is the limpid testimony of this essential transformation undergone by the feudal/oligarchic organization in the modern era. The West has moved from a low-tech agrarian establishment built upon the backs of disenfranchised serfs to a highly mechanized post-industrial hive that feeds off the strength of no less disenfranchised blue- and white-collar slaves, whose lives are mortgaged to buy into the vogue of modern consumption. The latter-day lords of the manor are no longer seen demanding tribute since they have relied on the mechanics of banking accounts for the purpose, whereas the sycophants of the median class, as academics and publicists, have consistently remained loyal to the synomosiai. The other concrete difference between yesterday and today is the immensely increased throughput of industrial production (whose potential level, however, has always been significantly higher than the actual one, to keep prices high). As for the ‘democratic participation’ of the ordinary citizens, these know in their hearts that they never decide anything of weight, and that politics consists in the art of swaying the mobs in one direction or another according to the wishes and anticipations of the few having the keys to information, intelligence and finance. These few may at a point in time be more or less divided into warring factions; the deeper the division, the bloodier the social strife. The electoral record of the West in the past century is a shining monument to the utter inconsequence of ‘democracy’: in spite of two cataclysmic wars and a late system of proportional representation that yielded a plethora of parties, Western Europe has seen no significant shift in her socio-economic constitution, whereas America has become, as time progressed, ever more identical to her late oligarchic self, having reduced the democratic pageant to a contest between two rival wings of an ideologically compact monopartite structure, which is in fact ‘lobbied’ by more or less hidden ‘clubs’: the degree of public participation in this flagrant mockery is, as known, understandably lowest: a third of the franchise at best.”

You can see more here:

http://guidopreparata.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Preparata-ConjuringHitler-Preface.pdf

Mikalina
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Mikalina

or……
on page 96 of ‘Proletarian Internationalism: Guideline of the Communists’, by V. Plyanksky, published in 1970
by Novosti Press Agency Publishing House, Moscow25.

The United States practices a form of’democratism’ – maintaining the illusion of democracy for public consumption, but in practice offering the electorate no more than the appearance of a choice of personnel ostensibly from the ‘Left’ or the ‘Right’ of the dialectic, while the intelligence services, which are in turn controlled by the Illuminati at the highest levels, in fact control the Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches of the overt Government, selecting and imposing their own candidates.” Christopher Story

I don’t doubt that the same applies to the bunch of well paid puppets in the HoC/HoL.

Winston1984
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Winston1984

The UK is one of the very few countries without a true revolution. The Cromwell episode was two cheeks of the same bum fighting over which cheeck would have the right to repress the masses.

Time is due for the masses to own their destiny an dismanlte a fake democracy.

Democracy is the worst system of operation apart from all the others – said a member of the elite.

Time for people power.

tom197482
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I’ve long been of the opinion that Brexit is essentially a soft coup by the Americans. The first phase was getting the plebs to believe it was patriotic to support Leave, with the help of half-American Johnson, and then forcing Cameron out (I suspect by blackmail, given his past). Then May was installed in strange circumstances and without a vote by Conservative Party members.
The second phase seems to be to get rid of May, present a hobson’s choice Brexit to the Commons, and then blame May’s deal on Remainers. Next they install one of Murdoch/the CIA’s favourites Johnson, Gove or Raab for the real takeover.
I get the feeling that things have gone wrong, however. The opposition parties have been surprisingly solid in opposition to May’s deal while many Tories have refused to back down. On top of that there is a backlash among the public against Brexit, as well as the failure to destroy Corbyn politically. Plus of course May’s monumental incompetence and lack of electoral appeal.
I don’t know where this will end up. Interesting times.

lundiel
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I find your thinking inside out. Brexit wasn’t meant to happen and the Americans didn’t want us to leave, but they can live with any option (we are replaceable at the European table). You seem to have swallowed the ERG’s evil machinations line. They (ERG) are a group of disparate people, who by and large aren’t Atlanticists, they are more likely to be libertarians or nationalists, the main body of MPs from all parties, those who would call themselves centrists, are far more likely to be Atlanticists, people like Ruth Smeeth. They would never break with NATO and are happy for us to platform American nuclear weapons and follow American foreign policy.
From where I’m standing it’s people like you who empower those who would keep us a client to American interests because of your political naivety…..pro remain propagandists can twist you round their metaphorical fingers.

tonyopmoc
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tonyopmoc

I find it hard to work out, whether Theresa May is an idiot or a genius. She has however managed to p1ss off, absolutely Everyone, on all political sides, and is still our Prime Minister. This is an extremely rare skill, and has managed to stimulate some fantastic honest writing, for the first time in years, from “journalists”, and some “politicians”.

For the first time in years, it has been worth reading The Guardian, and The Daily Mail.

I will try and give a few quotes

“F*** knows. I’m past caring. It’s like the living dead in here’: Cabinet minister ‘captures mood of the nation’ on Brexit in foul-mouthed quote read out on air by Newsnight’s political editor”

“The sense of despair around today’s vote continued when Emily Maitlis told minister Tobias Ellwood: ‘You’re putting back on the table a horse so dead, flogged to death, it’s practically a glue stick.’ ”

Marina Hyde of The Guardian, is especially worth reading

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/29/tory-leadership-contest-brexit-conservative-party

Meanwhile Theresa May is still there, and the Days are Counting Down to a Full Blown No Deal Exit.

Whilst it is like a complex game of chess, maybe that was “Queen” Theresa May’s (probably subconscious objective) all the time.

Maybe she actually believes in the concept of Democracy, and thought she would get her own back, for being forced to read, against her will (I could see her shaking), the complete load of bollocks re The Skripals.

She ain’t thick.

The game is not over yet.

Give the girl a break

Few men could take such stress.

Tony

Refraktor
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Refraktor

More like the days are counting down to a revocation of Article 50. This is where the deadlock leads and she knows it. The aim is to engineer a cross party betrayal of the brexit vote and so exempt either of the main two political parties from electoral slaughter. Treason May. Authoritarian and war criminal.

Mucho
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Mucho

Brexit. Another Zionist led divide and rule operation. Announced by David Cameron PM (Zionist).
They have no intention of leaving at the moment. They have had three years to prepare and if they had any INTENTION of leaving, we would be seeing all manner of things happening which simply are not being done. We would see upgrades and staffing changes etc at the borders, new signs, new road layouts especially Calais. We would see new accounting systems being implemented, nationwide updates for businesses to implement with a sound idea of what to expect. They should and could be organised, if they had any intention of leaving. Where is the intent? Where are the visible signs that it is going ahead? They would be selling us a story of new horizons, a new Britain emerging, but they are not doing that.
There will be one of two outcomes:
Brexit – massive fuck up, no real preparation, years of problems for negligible gains. Supposedly anti-establishment Brexit just strengthens power of UK establishment, the real root of the UK’s problems. UK divided for years to come. Having said that, Brexit could realistically serve to weaken the establishment in the long term because it puts one chain around the UK’s neck instead of two (UK establishment and EU are chains of power), meaning the UK would only have to cut one chain to theoretically make itself truly free, an opportunity we get every four or five years. They will not want to take that risk, so why would they? They won’t.
No Brexit – MOD and army already prepping for this, as has been announced, riots v possible following 10 years of austerity, divisive media, Tommy Robinson (Zionist asset), Farage etc. The perfect storm. UK divided for years to come.
All of this has been engineered to be this way. We have the celebrity themed “deal or no deal” heated climax to contend with, all the thrill of the funfair, with Parliament doing a great job of legitimising it all and adding to the drama. If they wanted to do Brexit well and properly, it is in their power and it is their duty to do a lot more than they have. But they do not have any intention of doing it (at least from what we can see them doing) and if it does go ahead, all we are being told about and all anyone can predict is how a monumental fuck up is incoming

Very interesting Brexit interview with Dr Paul Craig Roberts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9otn_5LVQq8
Tommy Robinson the Zionist Asset Proof – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZn721uOWLM

Threedawgs
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Threedawgs

I commented earlier, but it didn’t show up?

Glasshopper
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Glasshopper

Meanwhile The Guardian’s CIF has entrenched it’s position as a Safe Space for sneering slippery types to look down their snouts at the plebs for voting the “wrong” way, and being “hoodwinked” by evil Russians.

One of the pleasures of Brexit has been to watch the daft hissy fit of hysterical Guardianistas unfold since June 2016.

lundiel
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These two characters are a hoot: https://profile.theguardian.com/user/id/12992447?page=1 and https://profile.theguardian.com/user/id/14453227?page=1 one’s the world’s most angry man and the other’s some bloke who thinks he’s a btl journo. It all shows what living in a bubble does, they have the same conversations every day.

binra
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Theresa May is employed for one purpose – to get ‘her’ deal passed?
Brexit was employed for multi purposes, none of which was any intention to share power through democratic process. Nor is UE an intention to share power via democratic process.
There is a front end to the technocratic roll-out that employs crisis actors to play out the semblance of a process of communication, struggle or contest – but either the outcome is rigged, or both outcomes are to the same ends – but also that the timing of the process is part of undermining the current order for the purpose of reconfiguring it to a new order or indeed tightening the rack.
I happened to walk through the City of London today after normal working hours spills the multitude to their destinations or to fill and spill out of pubs and bars where the noise of release into chat mode and a beer was – I thought – remarkable.
Then reading through the comments felt like a similar noise – a place of personal release and relief from the constraints of other social restraints or demands.

I watched The Commons in action last night – going through the motions of its desire to reclaim the ‘brexit’ process from the ‘May Queen’ – though surely she is essentially supported and directed in her speech and actions by powerful lobbies – who may include US and EU top insiders.

The background of who called this and why or for what is not something I see much touched on but I did read a book recently from Truepublica that touched into this called Brexi – A Corporate Coup D’Etat:
https://truepublica.org.uk/books/brexit-a-corporate-coup-detat/
Populism is a handy source of energy supply – especially after priming the pump. If it was not so cynically exploited it would be praised as democracy. There are still those who give worth-ship to the idea of representing the will of the People – who yet strive in a totally outmanoeuvred system in which their eventual ‘consent’ is already effectively predetermined.

For my part the era of the ‘Deal’ is trumping any political process of genuine communication via shadow-drafted transfers of pre-structured power to offshore courts and lawyers, and incrementally shifting regulatory structures over a range of seemingly ‘good’ or non political ‘needs’ that then work a global top down system of control.

Broad spectrum dominance isn’t really about the US Military – excepting insofar as the USAsset is employed as a particular function for the subjugation and control of humanity under a predator class.

I know why I wanted OUT of the EU – in terms of my desire for regional, national and international politics of a genuine consent and not of astroturfed consensus under ‘expert’ elites who alone can tell us what the goat’s entrails means – but who in any case are filtered by mainstreaming into the narrative dictate by monkeys who devolved from human beings.

But there is NO framework by which to question our primary active (glo-cabalist) cultural assumptions which are embedded in SEEMINGLY scientific thinking – that we are generally more deeply and identity-invested in than the Trojans were in their Sacred Horse.

Everyone thinks WITHIN the framing of their reality paradigm excepting the few who fall off the edge of its model as a result of challenging its presumptions.

I really do not want UK out of the EU and straight into subjection as an IsraUs ‘trade partner’ – with regard to the simply appalling lack of standards and protections of the US.

The EU is on the same trajectory and simply a different region but at least maintains some resistance to the likes of GM – and some allegiance to the precautionary principle.

The Walrus and the Carpenter poem comes to mind with regard to the oysters fate here.

Jules Moules
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Jules Moules

“I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. I’ve seen Boris Johnson spaffing public money over the shoulder of Gove. I’ve watched Jess Phillips’ face light up, like a Thebian sea-cabbage, as she perused the menu in the subsidised canteen. And I’ve seen Chris Grayling gently fall off the end of a deserted rail platform.

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.”

T May (Replicant)

Jen
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Jen

At least Roy Batty lasted his full three years.

Francis Lee
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Francis Lee

The beauty of the UK Constitution is that it is unwritten. Which in effect means that we don’t have a genuine constitution as there are no written and established rules of procedure. Governments should be subordinate to constitution, but in the UK the ‘constitution’ such as it is, is subordinate to the government. It should not be forgotten that in the UK we have an unelected head of state, Queen Elizabeth, an unelected second chamber (the House of Lords) and a two-party, first-past-the-post cartel in the Lower House (House of Commons) whereby governments are always elected by a minority of the electorate. Hmmm the claim of democracy seems to stretch credulity to breaking point.

Personally I blame Cromwell for not wiping out the whole Royal entourage, and even more the traitor Fairfax for bringing back Charles the Second from France to sit on the English throne. We should have taken a leaf out of the Frenchies book and made the revolution complete.

Roberto
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Roberto

Royalist rule may mean that you end up with a dud every once in a while, but the advantages of continuity, structure and stability outweigh the procedure of dragging in someone every few years according to the whims of an ignorant public swayed by the latest cultural fads and scandals but mainly by the hope of spending someone else’s money, the defect that was first noted in the Athenian democracy, along with the observation that all democracy seems to end in tyranny, whether the tyranny of the masses or some particular actor. The outcome of a revolution does seem to invariably result in the elevation of a tyrant and the ruin of the masses that so eagerly supported him in his usually murderous endeavours to eradicate the object of their envy.
Unfortunately these unfortunate masses also come to realise that everyone else’s money is actually their own, the government spends at 10% efficiency while it creates an aristocracy of people with no manners, and the next bumbling idiot/stooge that will ‘change everything’ and make it right is brought forth by a few unknowns in the backroom that actually do run things, only to continue with the same rotten mess.
I do agree that the lack of a constitution is a good thing; rather than attempting to define everything that one is allowed to do, the common law, continually evolving, defines what is naughty, by cultural evolution and tradition. Now what would help is to have a procedure to shrink the catalogue of offenses, or at least put in place a policy stating that no new law will be passed without removing an obsolete or just plain silly one.

Makropulos
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Makropulos

“….an ignorant public swayed by the latest cultural fads and scandals but mainly by the hope of spending someone else’s money…”

The public are not as ignorant as the media make out – and it is the media’s aim to induce cynicism and despair. And as for that old patronising chestnut about “someone else’s money”, government is always about how to spend public funds. As always there is this assumption that individuals exist in some kind of solipsistic vacuum where they create their own world. Which automatically leads to that blase assumption that the rich deserve to be rich and the poor deserve to be poor.

Estaugh
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Estaugh

Our constitution is indeed written, but unlike the yankee rush-job of 1776?, it took its time to fall into place. Natural growth describes it nicely. Key manuscripts can be found at ukgov.co.uk; I think that will get you there. Key docs. to pull out, (in pdf.), are, for starters, Magna Carta, (1215), Petition of Rights, (1626), Declaration of Rights, and the subsequent Bill o’Rights (1688/9). The Act of Union, (1701), Various Acts concerningTreason, House of Lords judgements; the list goes on. To abbreviate , No man is above the Law, albeit a parliament, or a king.—– The “Head of State is, (technically), elected; (see Coronation Oath) and is under oath to fulfil contract. —- Our parliament is in breach of its mandate, and in all cases is simply the mouthpiece by which our governonce of occupation, (i.e. The EU), passes its decrees and dictats. —– If you have never tested Article 61 of the Magna Carta,(1215), I advise you to do so, because, in this ‘phony war’ episode of the story, it has been working a treat, and I haven’t paid a ‘statuary’ fine in years. —- My take on this show is that constitutional crisis demand constitutional remedy: and that, my friend includes every man-jack native on these islands taking a direct part in the proceedings. —– EU ‘law’ does not apply in the UK, has never and can ever. —– Brexit/remain are but technicalities; Sovereignty is the real issue here. The corporate powers must not be allowed primacy over the “Sovereign” peoples will.

Ken Kenn
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Ken Kenn

Quite and it is the height of cheek to accuse Speaker Bercow of utilising archane rules to prevent the same old song being sung for a third time in the House.

May and her government have hidden behind the Throne for three years with Royal prerogatives and Henry the Eighth laws and if not for private subject ( Gina Miller ) going to Court Parliament may well have not discussed things at all.

What all the fuss has been about is the declining numbers of the electorate who vote for the Tory party historically.

They rarely represented big cities and towns but represent the Shires. There are a lot of Shires in England.

This unfortunately a playing out of an English Parliament Cameron threatened Scotland with during the Scottish Independence vote and good old Gordon held hands with the Tory idiot who gave us an EU referendum he ( and Brown ) thought they could win purely by media spin. He then ran way instantly as quick as a boy who had broken a window. Brown lost Labour thirty odd seats in Scotland.

UKIP were always mistitled it should have been called EIP – as in English Independence Party as that is all and ever have represented.

No one anywhere else than the Tories and UKIP gave a stuff about the EU 3 years plus ago ( except UKIP )but now it is a Tory party internal fight that the other parties and the country has been dragged into.

If we believe the media then all that will matter in a GE is an MPs stand on Brexit. Yes it will be important but the Domestic policies and the question of reversing austerity will play very big role.

The MSM will choose to stand on that terrain as they do not like Corbyn who will bring their little world down and about time too.

The TIG ers seem to be playing the Second 11 now that the DUP are rowing back for now.

The trouble for Labour and Corbyn is that some inside his party are against his version of ending austerity.

Note carefully these anti anti austerity MPs don’t argue on policy as it would reveal what their own policies are to the electorate which are basically similar to a genuinely centre/right Tory.

Intersting times all in all.

tonyopmoc
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Francis Lee, I have a French friend from many years ago, who lives in Nice, and he sent me a video, of an extemely mild peaceful protest of a few locals (maybe 100) wearing yellow jackets, and bearing flags in a central square in Nice. It seemed there were more press photographers and police there. His friend had only been there for less than 5 minutes. All he had done was chain his bike up, and was viciously attacked by The French Police, and Arrested, and later this year, has his court date. He is charged with rebellion. Very little of what has been going on in France appears in any mainstream media or on TV.

I find this situation rather scary, and feel inhibited from visiting my friend in Nice, and have no plans to travel to Paris.

I would rather not have a revolution in The UK. I am not into blood and innocent people having their heads kicked in, by fascists working for the government.

I prefer the rule of law.

So far, I have reasonable confidence in the integrity of most of the British Police, but very little in the UK Government and politicians, and would like to be able to vote them out.

Tony

comite espartaco
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There is a basic misunderstanding with Brexit. In reality it was not Britain, or rather, the British Working Class, that decided to leave the EU. On the contrary, it was the Establishment and the political elites of Britain and the EU that LEFT, UNDERMINED AND DESTROYED the European Union by using it, undemocratically, illegally and treacherously, as a back door and fake alibi to swamp the labour markets with cheap labor from the new Eastern regions of the EU and the world. This was a blatant breach of the original aims and agreements of the European Union. That is why the British were right in voting for Brexit and they are the ones that are upholding the true European Union project and long term aims. That is why Labour, the party of traitors that opened the doors to mass uncontrolled migration and created this situation, cannot decide its policy, as the core of its supporters were the core of Brexit. That is why too, the ‘SNPee’ cannot call another Indyref (as they threaten to do and would like to do), as many of the supporters of Scottish independence were protesting against the deteriorated conditions of the labour market caused by immigration and, thus, voted for Brexit too. The British Establishment, mainly anti-Brexit, gave the reins of the Brexit campaign to their own fake Brexiteers. People like Boris, that could be denigrated as jesters, to scuttle a popular vote that was against immigration. Since then, they have been doing all they can to sabotage Brexit or modify it in such a way that it will not be Brexit. However, they are afraid that, by undermining democracy in such a brutal way, they could provoke a true ‘people’s’ reaction… a reaction that might not be another ‘referendum’…!!!

wardropper
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wardropper

Not quite.
There was always a strong undercurrent of ordinary British people who had sensed, or even seen very clearly, the fundamental corruption at the heart of the EU as it has become today. The EU was, of course, a good idea from many points of view, but the people who control it are the same people who control everything else which is thoroughly rotten in the western world. The modern “working class” is not as ignorant as many suppose. The Internet has seen to that, thank heaven.

comite espartaco
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The EU was sold, without mentioning it, as a kind socialist organisation that could save the day and compete with the Soviet Union and the USA. People thought that the very fact of the union could even out the ‘rough’ edges and drag all towards more socialism and progress. The collapse of the USSR, changed the whole situation, dragging instead the working classes towards a liberal ‘union’ and their own destruction and reverting their lives to the XIX Century, through mass uncontrolled migration, delocalisation, unfair competition, etc… Internet is helping, indeed, to create resistance and, possibly, to create a teleproletarian or electroproletarian (eproletarian) but, especially after the ‘unsuccessful’ revolts of the Arab world, it is still to be seen if that could be enough.

Estaugh
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Estaugh

I cannot remember any socialist organisation ; ‘saving the day’, but I am aware of an FCO bending over backwards to fund those for the entry into the EEC, during the premiership of E. Heath, a Tory. If you imagine that Bliar was inspired by genuine socialist principles! ????? He wasn’t. Both Bliar and Heath received the ‘Charlemagne Prize’. Heath by blackmail, Bliar by pure greed. With that said, I object to being characterised as a ‘eproletarian’, or any some such descriptive, laid upon me by a personna presented and designed to sound authoritative. I am not a class, I am a man. I am a man born within an sovereign jurisdiction, which accedes to its subjects inherent, (or God given), rights, and demands some reasonable duties. —– If man was free to communicate, without fear of prosecution, the internet would already be obsolete. And, BTW, the EU was already being outed as the fraud it is looong before the ‘collapse’ of the SU. I give, for example:- Frere-Smith.

King Kong
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King Kong

Perfidious Albion on the knees. Delicious!

tonyopmoc
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tonyopmoc

With extracts from the website theyworkforyou and the daily express (apologies for that). Are links no longer allowed here?, I wrote the following words. The ones in quotes are not mine. The others are. I try and obey the rules.

It’s a sad state of affairs, that almost the only MP, that has any integrity, so far as The Law is concerned with regards to BREXIT, is a person I completely disagree with regards to most of his political views on UK foreign policy with regards to War, and many aspects of his views on social policy.

“Almost always voted for use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas”

“Consistently voted for the Iraq war”

“Consistently voted for replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system ”

“Almost always voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the “bedroom tax”)

“Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices”

“Almost always voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability”

However – I do agree with him on this (and on some other issues)

“Bill Cash CONFRONTS Theresa May on ‘UNLAWFUL’ Brexit delay – ‘publish legal advice’ ”

Tony

Yr Hen Gof
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Yr Hen Gof

I find it curious how we all readily accept that the Tories have debased just about everything they’ve touched, yet continue to assume that the ballot is uncorrupted.
These are gangsters, democracy means nothing to them, nor their intimate bedfellows in the secret intelligence services. They wouldn’t hesitate to rig ballots and it takes surprisingly few votes to swing a few critical seats.
I’d far rather assume that they are as a matter of course stuffing ballot boxes, or whatever else might be done to achieve the desired result.
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tonyopmoc
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tonyopmoc

It’s a sad state of affairs, that almost the only MP, that has any integrity, so far as The Law is concerned with regards to BREXIT, is a person I completely disagree with regards to most of his political views on UK foreign policy with regards to War, and many aspects of his views on social policy.

“Almost always voted for use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas”

“Consistently voted for the Iraq war”

“Consistently voted for replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system ”

“Almost always voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the “bedroom tax”)

“Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices”

“Almost always voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability”

However – I do agree with him on this (and on some other issues)

“Bill Cash CONFRONTS Theresa May on ‘UNLAWFUL’ Brexit delay – ‘publish legal advice’ ”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1106037/brexit-news-latest-pmqs-today-live-theresa-may-sir-bill-cash-legal-advice-delay-extension

Tony

remember kronstadt
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remember kronstadt

the tory party, albeit rich, is in dire need of youth and a leader who can be both reliable and a magnet – dominic raab

Geoff D
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Geoff D

You Must be joking, the same raab who thinks the only reason people use food banks is because they have a cash flow problem, and the same imbecile that has only just realised that Dover is the main arterial route for exports, you couldn’t make it up, yea he would be fine.

James Connolly
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James Connolly

I doubt raab’s thatcherism on steroids would be magnetic to anybody but plutocrats and some of the conservatives’ hard right elderly membership.

K Ford
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K Ford

On Boris Johnson –

“A man who betrays his family will betray his country”

bc
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bc

Only one thing seems completely certain. No matter which Tory freak replaces May or if she stays on, whether they completely balls up Brexit or just mostly balls it up, everything will be done to cast them in the best possible light and Corbyn in the worst possible light, up to and beyond the next election.

Grafter
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Grafter

Almost time for Scotland to divest itself from Tweedle Dum/Tweedle Dee, Tory and Labour sham “democratic” parties. This circus has gone on far too long.

bc
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bc

A compelling narrative back in 2014, when Labour was complicit in the Torirs’ austerity scam and the independence movement was boldly led by a maverick sceptical of the neocon establishment. That was the year of golden opportunity..

bob
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bob

It appears TreasonMay has unilaterally decided that the UK is not leaving the eu on 29th March.
As I understand it a Statutory Instrument was laid on Monday 25th March but has NOT been voted on as is the usual occurence in both the HoC and HoL.

It appears that our consttution and parliamentary processes can be overridden at ease by this evil dictatorial PM – via a letter to the european council.This letter takes presidence over UK law. Domestic law is not now aligned with eu/ international law. Her so called resignation after a ‘deal’ is passed is yet more fillibustering. What if a ‘deal’ isn’t secured – is she going to hang around longer??

This Government is acting beyond its authority. There is now no sovereignty in the UK – sovereignty lies with the people – the Queen fails to uphold our constitution and protect the people. Only John Redwood and Bill Cash have raised this in parliament and been roundly ignored.

The british regime is unconstituional and acting illegally – it is a government of occupation.

THIS IS TREASON AND NOW A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS AS NEITHER THE QUEEN NOR PARLIAMENT IS ACTING IN THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE and is allowing a Foreign Organisation to run the country.