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Discuss: The Coup in Venezuela

There is a coup happening in Venezuela. Not the rather sad, fizzling, slow-motion coup that has been beavering away behind the scenes for months, if not years. An actual violent attempt to overthrow the government by force.

Juan Guaido, a Trudeau-ish non-entity picked by the US as “their guy” based on his total lack of personality or values, made a statement on his twitter:

Not long afterwards, violent incidents broke out. It was always going to end this way.

Guaido has no domestic support, is recognised by less than one-quarter of the globe, has no democratic mandate and no grip on power at all. If he wants the Presidency, or rather, if his US-based masters want him to have the presidency, he was always going to have to take it by force.

The trouble, up to this point, has been his total lack of support from the military. Donald Trump’s national security advisor John Bolton, the man at the vanguard of the Venezuelan coup, has been almost literally begging for the Venezuelan army to switch sides for months.

The US “aid convoy”, which evidence suggests was actually a method of smuggling weapons into the country, was also a massive failure.

As such Guaido has no guns. He has no soldiers. He has nothing.

In an apparent misreading of one of Teddy Roosevelt’s most famous quotes, rather than speaking softly and carrying a big stick, Bolton and his cronies have spent the last six months speaking loudly and pretending they have a stick.

Video footage shows a few dozen, maybe a couple of hundred, protesters hurling Molotov cocktails at police vans:

That seems to be it, right now.

But the coup has got to happen right now, or it’s over. In fact, part of Juan Guaido’s desperation is probably a realisation that he is rapidly approaching the point where he becomes more valuable to his CIA handlers dead than alive. Once it’s apparent he’ll never be President, the CIA could easily decide to “Nemstov” Guaido and lay the crime at Maduro’s feet.

The Western response has been fairly predictable, totally organic and not-at-all contrived “demonstrations” have sprung up outside the Venezuelan embassies in the US and a few other countries.

The media are picking out the party line and fighting it hard, as usual. Bloomberg are refusing to even call it a coup:

While The Guardian are calling it a “momentous day in Venezuela’s history”:

This comes as no surprise. The Guardian has never met a war or coup it did not like and Tom Philips, The Guardian’s Latin America correspondent, has made no secret of his support for the US coup in the past:

So the question’s arise:

  • Will the coup be successful?
  • Will the military side with Guaido?
  • If not, what next for Venezuela and Guaido?
  • At what point will the calls for “humanitarian intervention” begin?
  • Will the US actually start a war in Venezuela this time?
  • Will Russia provide military aid to Maduro’s government? Will China?
  • Will sanity prevail?

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Kit Knightly is co-editor of OffGuardian. The Guardian banned him from commenting. Twice. He used to write for fun, but now he's forced to out of a near-permanent sense of outrage.

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I’m constantly struck by the clumsy and amateurish character of US aggression and imperialism. They have a lot of very capable and intelligent people in a country the size of the Yew Ess Ayy, but somehow it’s in the nature of the place that the cream never rises to the top. The shit always rises to the top – Bolton, Pompeo, Abrams, the Orange Baboon himself. Policy is characterised by an inimitable brand of arrogance, venality, corruption, irredeemable ignorance, ideological bigotry, and crude thuggery and criminality. If the Neocons had half a brain cell, instead of backing a third rate… Read more »

Jim
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Jim

Bolton: …“Venezuelans have made clear that the
current path toward democracy is
irreversible. Venezuela’s military has a
choice: embrace democracy, … …, or face more man-made
suffering and isolation.”…

Bolton is right with more man-made suffering and isolation if the US send a military intervention in Venezuela. But what has this act to do with democracy? Did the Venezuelans vote that the US send troops to their country?

Kathleen Lowrey
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Kathleen Lowrey

I watched the video at the Guardian that alternated clips of Maduro and Guaido speaking. The Guaido one was really weird — I have a feeling his American backers dropped him when he couldn’t make it happen earlier and this was his Hail Mary pass. Guaido’s clip was incredibly poorly lit, a high school YouTuber would do better.

George Cornell
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George Cornell

Kathleen you are picking up the cues that are essential to interpret modern news because the facts are never the facts anymore. You can’t even blowup skyscrapers without people suitably attacking the official narrative. The genesis of this site, was engendered by the ritual prevarication characterizing the Fraudian, and its systematic contempt for the readership, the truth and the basic principles of a free press. This site may represent a landmark when viewed in the years to come.. Indeed the comment censoring could be expanded by systematic analysis of the topical nature of censored content, if we did not already… Read more »

comite espartaco
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Judging by the images on the news, the support for this coup does not look important, but the crisis is latent, since the Venezuelan workers, like many others around the world, are disorganised and headless and so easy prey to deficient and useless politicians on both sides. The Bolivarian immigrationist and thirdworldist regime is, deservedly, sinking, but the opposition, that represents those who created the conditions for the underdevelopment of the country in the past, is as bad or even worst and can only summon the support of, relatively, small sections of society. That is why the opposition is launching… Read more »

Ben Trovata
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Ben Trovata

Au Contraire,Gezzah Potts,we are large,truly enormous,of gigantic proportions!What evidence have I to make this claim? My heart has told me,& my ears have confirmed it.

summitflyer
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summitflyer

Gotta love that statement “Juan Guaido, a Trudeau-ish non-entity ” . As a Canadian ,I find Trudeau an embarrassment for my country .Poor judgement is an understatement .
Not sure who Trudeau’s advisors are but they are continuously making bad decisions.

tutisicecream
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Turdpump the swamp-dredger has finally ceded power to the bolt-on braincell who has unleashed a desperately unhinged Putsch attempt against democracy in Venezuela. The death throws of the Empire are ugly, and don’t make for family consumption so the MSM has effectively painted an illusion of freedom using sanctimonious bilge around this story. Of course the Graun [because being on the wrong side of history is sacred?] has been cheering on this fascistic attempt to overthrow the legitimate Venezuelan government in yet another spigot point on the failing hegemonic trajectory of the US of A. Hopefully today there will be… Read more »

Stephen Morrell
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Stephen Morrell

It would be supremely fitting this May Day for the masses to drive the Guaido/Lopez supporters off the streets and back into their rat holes.

mark
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mark

It seems Lopez has “taken refuge” in the Spanish embassy, breaking his bail conditions. Maybe he should be treated just like Julian Assange, threatened with arrest and forced to stay there for years, and jailed when he comes out.

Paul
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Paul

Spain says asylum can only be applied for on Spanish soil and not in an embassy – which seems unusual? Is it true? It’s richly ironic that Lopez takes the place of Assange while far more people are injured in protests in Paris than in Caracas. And now we have ‘Paper Tiger Trump’.

Oslo - Norway
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Oslo - Norway

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John
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John

Personally I’d just have guaido executed on live tv. And who is egging this on: Jews

summitflyer
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summitflyer

I would have to say that in such circumstances the Israeli government would have used live ammunition from the get go and not water cannons.As the US would probably do also on their streets ,but they would get their militarized police force to do it. Insurrection would not be tolerated and this is exactly what this is .Insurrection against a duly democratically elected government with over 60% of the popular vote.

tunde
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tunde

Why is Trump given a pass in this whole affair ? I see a lot of invective directed at Bolton, Abrams and Pompeo. I understand that some on OG view Trump with some sympathy when contrasting with the array of enemies he has within the DC establishment but the escalation of events in Caracas is surely a policy choice by his admin. Whatever hope one may have reposed in Trump “draining the swamp” ( yeah right!) and turning Washington’s gaze inwards, it appears to me that he has simply leveraged America’s global dominance in all areas more ruthlessly. Venezuela (massive… Read more »

Seamus Padraig
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Seamus Padraig
falcemartello
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Perfidious Bolton still trying !!!!! Well if we go by Goerge Orwell’s paper of choice The Guardian gee Britain the bastion of western humanity and the antlantacist self agrandissement one would think that the random Guydo dodo bird is the man. Yes he is one hell of a clown. Rumours have it that Blackwater will be the next step. Yes mercenaries will be the Perfidious neo-cons and co /pax-americanas next move. The bolivarian movement has 60 percent support in Venezuela . Note that 60 percent are all meticcio people not the white privilaged upper middle class people of Venezuela. Bolton… Read more »

Greg Schofield Perth Australia
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Greg Schofield Perth Australia

The Bay of Piglets looks like it is all but over. My worry is that the US will double-down and actually invade or bomb, otherwise this paper coup will be seen as a failure of their power.

If the weakness is exposed, there will be a chain reaction across Latin America. I hope this is what will happen. I hope Venezuela’s allies deliver air cover and sea outreach to make the US think before it acts. The curtain needs to be brought down of this destructive empire, the risk factors go up for everyone as the used-by date itself ages.

EarlofSuave
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EarlofSuave

Bay of Piglets is the word indeed. How the mighty have fallen, hilarious. The Keystone Kops are running the Death Star. As for the MSM, everytime I think we must have hit rock bottom now, it can’t possibly get any more pathetic, they prove me wrong. Quite a feat, actually.

summitflyer
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summitflyer

I am going to go out on limb here Greg and state that your hopes have already been fulfilled .Russia and China have both stated that they will protect their investments in Venezuela .They don’t need to repeat it everyday and the Americans know it .

Jen
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Jen

News just in is that Guaido’s puppet master Leopoldo Lopez has requested and been given asylum for himself and his family in Chile’s embassy in Caracas. No news as to whether Guaido has also requested asylum.

It looks as if Lopez has abandoned Guaido and Guaido’s usefulness to his US regime-change masters is rapidly coming to its expiry date.

The other possibility is that this “coup” was planned precisely to get Leopoldo Lopez out of Venezuela and Guaido is just a convenient dumb patsy who has been told nothing of the plan’s original aim.

JudyJ
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JudyJ

…and Pompeo has stated publicly that Maduro was all set to board a plane to flee Venezuela but was forced by the Russians to remain. Maduro has refuted this as utter nonsense. I haven’t heard an explanation from Pompeo or Bolton as to why Lopez would have felt the need to abandon the uprising with the prospect of success presumably within their grasp.

summitflyer
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summitflyer

Pompeo is a liar , he said so himself see video:

JudyJ
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JudyJ

summitflyer

Pompeo appears to be a pathological liar who even believes his own lies. Usually delivered with an arrogant smirk.

Jo
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Jo

One wonders of Pimpeo is creating this stuff or is delusional enough to believe what he is told by conspirators….are there CIA on the ground in V….plus secret services from Russia.. China?

Norman Koerner
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Norman Koerner

Pompeo’s lie about Maduro leaving is pure psychological warfare.

Martin Usher
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Martin Usher

If I was Venezuelan I’d back Maduro even if I hated everything he stood for because this is nothing more than a takeover of my country by a foreign power. (That power might allow us the semblance of democracy provided we choose the leaders and form of government they approve of.) The irony in this is that our (US) media is still chattering on about Russian meddling in the 2016 election but somehow doesn’t seem to notice that we’re not so much ‘meddling’ as full on interfering with another country’s government. We’re very sensitive about our ‘democracy’, though –. we’ve… Read more »

Andrew Mcguiness
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Andrew Mcguiness

I read that Butina organised dinners where she tried to promote friendly relations between the US and Russia. SHe is obviously a spy and should be shot – 18 months’ jail for organising dinners is much too lenient.

mark
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mark

Sauce for the goose – how many Americans are there in other countries, poking their noses into civil society there? Seems to me it’s about time a few Exceptional And Indispensable People ended up in the slammer.

Paul
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Paul

As the Russiagate enquiry showed you only have to scratch an American politician cum lawyer to reveal massive fraud, tax avoidance and money laundering. What would the tax havens do without them?

JudyJ
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JudyJ

I wonder when Theresa May and her cohorts are going to be charged with “being an unregistered foreign agent” for dining with Lubov Chernukhin! No, sorry, that’s not the same scenario and not at all ‘dodgy’ as Mrs Chernukhin had paid £135k to the Tories for the privilege. And according to Tom Newton-Dunn on last night’s Sky paper review, without any suggestion of irony “I don’t know why this is news…They [the Chernukhins] are obviously good people because they are enemies of Putin”. Seriously?? It’s as black and white as that! Profound analysis from someone who, no doubt, would claim… Read more »

Paul
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Paul

Or more seriously charged with interfering in the 2016 election against Trump vis the SIS and Mr Steele’s urination dossier which was deliberately leaked (sic) to the media before the vote. Steele told American TV he would do anything to stop Trump becoming President – and this from an ex Senior Agent! Having jumped onto the CIA-Democrat bandwagon Britain’s subsequent attempts to ratchet up Russophobia (look at Douma and Salisbury). Just a week ago we had some wonderful headlines saying Trump had made ‘fantastic false claims’ that GCHQ spied on him. Britain would be sensible to have a customs deal… Read more »

Jen
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Jen

Yes, even that sinister beluga caught in Norwegian waters with the harness and the tag that reads “Equipment St Petersburg” (in English, no less!) should be shot. Being imprisoned in a fjord will be too lenient.

John A
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John A

Yes, the Made in St Petersburg label was such a giveaway!

Gezzah Potts
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Gezzah Potts

Will sanity prevail Kit? With blood drenched creatures like Bolton, Pompeo, Abrams, et al pushing hard for another notch on the Empire’s belt, I greatly doubt it. You’re spot on about the co ordinated media response. Here in Aussie, checked ABC News this morning, and their coverage on the coup was not just predictable, but they stated: “There Is No Evidence Currently Showing United States Involvement In The Activity”. Just straight out lies. What would you expect from mouthpieces for Imperialism. And not just Venezuela, but Iran is very much in the crosshairs as well, in fact any country that… Read more »

Fair dinkum
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Fair dinkum

The Australian Bullshit Corporation.
Their anti China diatribes have fooled a lot of folks.

wardropper
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wardropper

Quite right.
Sweet Lord, what our mainstream media have become…
The On-Guardian wouldn’t even have mentioned this “coup” unless it was going the way their owners wanted.
So sad for the people of the Earth who still recognize their own souls and the difference between right and wrong.

Sam Hunter
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Sam Hunter

If anyone hasn’t seen it yet…

“A new paper from the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR), by economists Mark Weisbrot and Jeffrey Sachs, finds that economic sanctions implemented by the Trump administration since August 2017 have caused tens of thousands of deaths and are rapidly worsening the humanitarian crisis.”

http://cepr.net/press-center/press-releases/report-finds-us-sanctions-on-venezuela-are-responsible-for-tens-of-thousands-of-deaths

Released five days ago, and yet still no coverage in Western media, including The Guardian.

Just like in the buildup to Iraqi invasion in 2003, The Guardian have little respect for law and civilians, just cheerleading for more war and violence.

George Cornell
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George Cornell

Yes, and where is the sabre-rattler-in-chief Nicholas Cohen? I guess within the vast Guardian department of War Promo, Venezuela falls to another operative. They can’t all be pimping for Israel, it wouldn’t look good.

harry stotle
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harry stotle

The Guardian would have you believe Tommy Robinson, or Scottish comedians who do jokes about Hitler are more of a threat to democracy than John Bolton or Elliot Abrams.

What on earth made them become the PR wing for death squads?

George Cornell
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George Cornell

But give them a Hitler metaphor and they might even let you say some men are as good as some women.

PsyBorg (@PsyBorg)
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Guaido does not have a snowball in hell’s chance of bringing this off.
99% of the police and military are loyal and Chinese, Russian and Cuban specialists are on the ground in Venesuala.
That is all you need to know.

wardropper
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wardropper

We should know by now not to underestimate the appalling influence of our mainstream media.
THEIR attitude is that all the ignorant masses need to know is that Guaido has been crowned Emperor of Venezuela.
If that costs nuclear war with Russia and China, well, to paraphrase Madeleine Allbright, “We think it was worth it”…
That’s how bad it is. Seriously.
Psychotic people rule us today.

BigB
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BigB

Jeremy Corbyn is too busy planning a ‘national climate emergency’ to show solidarity with his old buddy Nic. As I just said on the other forum, his previous supposed support was actually a betrayal, anyway. So who needs friends like that? Comparisons with the climate emergency, the XR Extinction Rebellion, and today’s attempted coup by NATO sock puppet Guaido may not abound …but they are there. It’s all about the oil. Wikileaks, Pompeo, and the Gweed have all confirmed that. The why might no be readily apparent: if we are to believe America’s own hubristic lies about the amount of… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
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Rhisiart Gwilym

Can’t thumbs up the rest of you comment, B, because the Corbyn ad-hom is simply wrong.

Maggie
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Maggie

BigB, At last a post I understand and it is EXCELLENT and I agree with every word.!

lundiel
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Venezuela is where the rich protest, not the poor.