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ALLEGED Chemical Torture of Julian Assange see our amendments below

Karen Kwiatkowski via LewRockwell.com

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Since one of our editors published this piece we have been inundated with caveats that the claims made of ‘chemical torture’ are unsupported and speculative. We have even had it suggested this is fake news. We’ve so far been unable to confirm or deny these claims. We’re leaving this article in place for the present, but please be aware of the unproven nature of the allegations

There is great evil being perpetrated by Washington D.C. here and around the world.

A persistent terrible hate for life, liberty and humanity arrived on little cat feet and has taken over our country.  This did not begin with Trump, but sadly it also is not going to end with him either.

Trump promised to drain the swamp, implying change, transparency and accountability.

Instead he brought in neoconservative king-makers and warmongers, and allowed their influence to grow disproportionately, while his co-dependents in the other party facilitate the agenda of death.

The criminal pursuit and indictment of Wikileak founder, Julian Assange is the proof in the pudding.   The 40 page criminal complaint contains a lot of detail but not much crime.  In fact, the “crimes” are more like descriptions of how journalism is done in the information age, if it is true that the job of journalism is to tell the stories, name the names, and state the facts that governments don’t want told, named or stated.

In a normal world, none of this is worth much energy or attention.  There is very little legally here to work with, and success so far on the part of the US Government has been solely via a reliable judge in the Eastern District Court of Virginia, and other people’s money and other people’s governments, beholden or paid by the US.

But in the world that exists today, we see these overblown aggressive tactics and we can feel the excitement, the goosebumps and the hot necks of the FBI and CIA suits as they make their bones.

Chelsea Manning is back in prison, ordered back into solitary.  She [sic] is not the person she was after years of torture, isolation and chemical interrogation.  Ironically, her cognitive function as a result of her previous treatment is likely to render any future interrogation useless in court, legally and practically.  She received the Jose Padilla treatment, albeit refined by some years of USG practice.  Her resultant mental malleability may have produced the ideal Soviet Amerikan Woman.

The US appears to be a nation of laws, and yet, we absolutely are not.  One of many lessons and perspectives we gain from the study of Julian Assange is just that.  US political influence and debt-funded largesse resulted in Assange’s ejection from the Ecuadorian Embassy into the UK prison for terrorists in Belmarsh.   US domestic corruption and misreading of the Constitution produced his indictment.

Furthermore, US government employees, from the DoD, FBI and the CIA have been interviewing Assange in Belmarsh Prison, prior to any extradition decision.

Interviewing is the wrong word.  I’d like to say doctoring him, because it would be more accurate, except that word implies some care for a positive outcome.  Chemical Gina has her hands in this one, and we are being told that Assange is being “treated” with 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, known as BZ.  What BZ does, from the New Yorker:

“Exposed soldiers exhibited bizarre symptoms: rapid mumbling, or picking obsessively at bedclothes and other objects, real or imaginary. “…The drug’s effect lasted for days. At its peak, volunteers were totally cut off in their own minds, jolting from one fragmented existence to the next. They saw visions: Lilliputian baseball players competing on a tabletop diamond; animals or people or objects that materialized and vanished. ….

Soldiers on BZ could remember only fragments of the experience afterward. As the drug wore off, and the subjects had trouble discerning what was real, many experienced anxiety, aggression, even terror. Ketchum [Dr. James Ketchum, DoD Edgewood Arsenal, MD] built padded cells to prevent injuries, but at times the subjects couldn’t be contained. One escaped, running from imagined murderers. Another, on a drug similar to BZ, saw “bugs, worms, one snake, a monkey and numerous rats,” and thought his skin was covered in blood. “Subject broke a wooden chair and smashed a hole in the wall after tearing down a 4-by-7-ft panel of padding,” his chart noted. Ketchum and three assistants piled on top of the soldier to subdue him. “He was clearly terrified and convinced we were intending to kill him,” his chart said.

One night, Ketchum rushed into a padded room to reassure a young African-American volunteer wrestling with the ebbing effects of BZ. The soldier, agitated, found the air-conditioner gravely threatening. After calming him down, Ketchum sat beside him. Attempting to see if he could hold a conversation, Ketchum asked, “Why do they have taxes, income taxes, things like that?”

The soldier thought for a minute. “You see, that would be difficult for me to answer, because I don’t like rice,” he said.”

BZ is an interesting drug, certainly not the only one used by the US government, but one of them.

Why give it to Assange?  What do they want from him?  Is it truth they seek, or more information, or is this whole farce something more like obsessive retaliatory rage at feeling powerless, as the world laughed at US State department memorandums and became angry at the idiocy and hate demonstrated by US soldiers 15 years ago.  Or maybe something more sinister – that they need Julian Assange psychologically and physically drawn and quartered because he revealed state corruption and weakness?   Is it because to the state this is the war, the real war it always fights, a war with the rest of the population for its very survival?   Or is Ray McGovern on to the real reason the deep state wants to destroy him?

It is difficult to know if the state is more sociopathic or more psychopathic.  What US government employees and/or contractors are currently doing to Julian Assange, and those who may have used Wikileaks as a journalistic avenue, may indicate it is the latter.  Torture, isolation, brutality, and the use of psychotropic drugs during interrogations and hiding this from the defendant’s own lawyers by denying them access — this is Lubyanka in the 1950s, not London and DC in 2019.

Allow me to get to the point.  The latest word I have received from England is as follows:

“[Julian Assange] is presently under close observation in prison hospital because he has suffered ‘severe transient psychotic episodes.’ My source(s) indicate these episodes occurred after two sessions of coercive interrogation at the hands of UK and US officials. The source(s) stated the HUMINT interrogators used psychotropic drugs in the course of the sessions.”

There are no words.  Nothing can be said.  2 plus 2 does equal 5.  The FBI is our own special Cheka.  The CIA Director’s hands are wet and her organization does not serve American values.  Rather than choosing to stay secretive for national security, the modern CIA must stay secretive in order to survive, because it has become functionally illegal.  Our president, who puts America first, is putting American values last, even as he tweets his concern for freedom of speech.

The agenda is to destroy Assange as a human being, and they may well succeed.  In doing this evil deed, in all of our names, America herself – whether we put her first, last, or somewhere in the middle – will have dug her own grave.


Karen Kwiatkowski is a retired USAF lieutenant colonel, farmer and aspiring anarcho-capitalist. She ran for Congress in Virginia’s 6th district in 2012.
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Your response is welcome. I’ll keep my powder dry for now.

I am however, disgusted at the actions of Consortium News who have deleted my posts there. They are, or at least were, identical to my posts here.

Censorship at the site that holds up the principles of Bob Parry?….’cui bono’…_

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Apart from reading the whole article, see particularly the answer to the second question in the interview at https://civic.mit.edu/2013/01/07/leakswiki-continues-and-cryptome-interview/ et seq. The article in question here above is an acknowledged reprint from lewrockwell.com and the citation for its basic premise is quite clear: ‘Source(s)’. That’s it: ‘source(s)‘. Do not accept that as a criticism of the Off-Guardian: it is every bit as valid or invalid–the adult meaning of a citation only of ‘source(s)’–as the countless baseless assertions in The Guardian made under the same rubric of unnamed sources. It is a criticism of those of your immature readers who cannot… Read more »

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Maggie

I am being told that I have already voted for a post, when I HAVE NOT!
Mark’s post in particular.

Sandy Robertson
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Sandy Robertson

It’s obviously a plot against you! Just like Julian.

Maggie
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Maggie

Sandy Robinson – Oh my this is a first.. Ad Hominem.
Beware fellow old posters, Mark, Gezzah, BigB, Tonyopmoc, Nwwoods,etc..
It appears that the new site has brought in the trolls.

Sandy Robertson
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Sandy Robertson

Sorry you completely lost me there so I don’t understand any of that or whether you like my post or are against it! Can you give me some elucidation? Cheers.

Duke
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See my response in The Truthseeker

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Sure,
ere it is: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=188162

The faithful witness

Sandy Robertson
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Sandy Robertson

I support Assange, but I’d want some corroboration of this story. If he’s really being tortured with psychedelic drugs and so forth why haven’t Wikileaks and his friends been screaming it from the rooftops?

John2o2o
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John2o2o

Obviously! This claim is fake.

Sandy Robertson
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Sandy Robertson

Do you understand what Maggie means in her post replying to mine? I haven’t a clue what it’s about, or if OffGuardian is owned by new people or what she meant about trolls. She even got my name wrong! My original comment was just saying I thought anyone caring enough about our posts to interfere with upvotes was as likely as Julian being tortured by psychedelics without Wiki kicking up a fuss, but the response is baffling. Ad Hominem, what? I said nothing about her or Julian. Anyone who knows what this all means who can tell me will earn… Read more »

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Don’t worry, Sandy. Maggie’s punctuation is so crap, aint nobody can be sure what she says. My guess is she’s dissing Tony 0lmec, but he’s OK.

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Since online forums appeared in the 1970s sensitive readers have been defamed, bullied, abused, demeaned and all that, or just felt that they had been, and have fretted mightily over that actuality or perception. They have also imagined that those agreeing with them are friends and display all the symptoms of grieving when those friends have disagreed with (read “deserted”) them. Some of the actually or perceptually harrassed have even killed themselves in response. So forget about it. Online forums are like any other remote action device–many otherwise mild individuals become dangerous road ragers; online forums’ immediate predecessor, talk radio,… Read more »

Sandy Robertson
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Sandy Robertson

Much thanks. I constantly ask for calm and civility online as the norm but my hopes long ago suffered an abatement. If only everyone was as literate and insightful as yourself.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

Typo. For “online forums’ immediate predecessor, talk radio,…” read “online forums’ immediate predecessor, CB radio,…”

Yarkob
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Yarkob

still waiting for any corroboration of this story anywhere else. the only time i’ve seen it mentioned (on MoA) it’s by people questioning its veracity. i think it’s a stretch tbh

John2o2o
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John2o2o

It is clearly fake. Like most of the Skripal nonsense.

Betrayed planet
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Betrayed planet

This is devastating, utterly insane and mind bending.
How do we help Julian?
My own mental health is becoming affected by the sociopathy all around us, . How will Julian survive this. The lunatics are running the show.

John2o2o
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John2o2o

What – this fake story? It’s a psy-op. Don’t fall for it.

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I am extremely upset, that some American sourced unverifed reports, have besmirched The Reputation, of My Country ENGLAND You accused us of TORTURE I admit I no longer like you AMERICANS, and that is Why YOU are NOT Going To Get Julian ASSANGE YOU AMERICANS are the The MOST XXXX XXXXs. Your Elite call, most of the people who live in your country DEPLORABLES. I mean wtf??? Dont you even like your own people??? Us English wouldn’t do that even to You Evil Bastards..Not Even The Scottish Tony Blair… And we certainly wouldn’t do it an AUSTRALIAN. We like Australians… Read more »

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B’Liar Scottish? That’s a foul libel! (I’ll leave you to decide against whom :O)

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What I find most nauseating about this whole sorry saga is the way the psychopathic subhuman criminal torturing filth ruling over us feel qualified and entitled to climb up on their high horse and give pious lectures and lofty sermons to the rest of humanity about their human rights failings, and how they need to pull their socks up to match “our” exalted standards and “rules based” system, unless they want to end up with all the other Darkies before our ICC kangaroo court. Most recently in Myanmar, where a couple of journalists were jailed and then released after covering… Read more »

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[…] That is why Julian Assange is in Belmarsh prison. He told the truth about US war-crimes in Iraq. Chelsea (then Bradley) Manning provided Wikileaks with video evidence of these war crimes. For telling this truth and providing the shocking footage many of us have seen, she went to prison. Although released by the Obama administration she is back in custody now for an indefinite period for refusing to testify against Wikileaks. People who speak the truth lay themselves open to all kinds of punishment, from incarceration, torture and amputation to capital beheadings and crucifixion. It is widely held that… Read more »

Sandy Robertson
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Sandy Robertson

Widely held by who, exactly?

Mister Bump
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Mister Bump

Is there any evidence of Assange being drugged ? Its not presented in the article.

John2o2o
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None. She’s lying.

Philip Roddis
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Fair question Mister Bump. Ignore needlessly abusive replies. I don’t doubt the likelihood of Assange being so treated, but like you noted the lack of corroboration. Without that, the story is of little value.

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Where’s the evidence Jose Padillo was ever drugged? Come to that, where’s the evidence that he actually needed to be drugged in order to believe, quite sincerely, that he had been? And resp0nd that way, complete with PTSD, etc., thereafter? Do you doubt that Belmarsh would let in the occasional, passing MI6 or CIA operative with a few hours to spare, to have a cup of tea and pass the time of day with Assange? Do you have his visiting list? As I recall, when he was arrested Assange had serious, longstanding dental problems. Do you believe an outfit like… Read more »

Mister Bump
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Oh I am aware of what they can do. But thats not proof they did do it. If the story said some other form of torture happened, would I necessarily have to believe it just because i know people get tortured by the state and it could happen to Assange? Thats just silly, thats not even conspiracy theory, just random faith in evil. I am concerned this could be happening to Assange and do not suuport his extradition. But concern can be undone with false truths.

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“If the story said some other form of torture happened, would I necessarily have to believe it just because i know people get tortured by the state and it could happen to Assange?” You don’t necessarily have to believe anything, anywhere, perhaps but not necessarily especially if the sole effective veracity citation provided is just ‘source(s)’. Maybe such a citation is a clue for the lost and helpless consumers of certified true news: learn how to stand up by yourselves and stop puking all over Katherine Viner’s favourite old putative blouse? In the specific instance of your above-quoted response: did… Read more »

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Oops. A busy Saturday morning and fumbling fingers has led to another BTL suggestion: the “Edit” text box does not have the automatic tag insertion function of the “original input” text box. If it can be added easily it would probably find a welcome from time to time. (The fact that the Edit function does have a timeout that doesn’t allow for arbitrary absences from the keyboard to help with household chores is not usefully countered, nor is it a bug but a feature).

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Where’s the evidence Jose Padillo was ever drugged? Where’s the evidence that he actually needed to be drugged in order to believe, quite sincerely, that he had been? And resp0nd that way, complete with PTSD, etc., thereafter? Do you doubt that Belmarsh would let in the occasional, passing MI6 or CIA operative with a few hours to spare, to have a cup of tea and pass the time of day with him? Do you have a fucking clue how effective informed psyops can be? Are you aware that they’re going on in thousands of schools and workplaces and so on… Read more »

Mister Bump
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Mister Bump

‘Karen Kwiatkowski is a retired USAF lieutenant colonel, farmer and aspiring anarcho-capitalist.’

anarcho-capitalist? No such thing. Theres capitalism and there’s anarchism and never the two can meet. Stateless capitalism is worse than neoliberal capitalism, statelessness is good UNLESS you have Capitalism.

Yarkob
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Yarkob

anarcho-capitalism means something different to that which Karen brands herself. it is not an anarchist who does capitalism. it’s a total mis-application of the term anarchist, too..sigh

Mister Bump
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Mister Bump

Anacrcho capitalist means capitalist libertarian. The latter has nothing to do with anarchism (it requires a) state of some sort and b) capitalism) I don’t know of any differences, not even minor, between anarcho capitalist and capitalist libertarian. If you have one id like to hear it.

Yarkob
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Yarkob

I’m not sure, but I think you are agreeing with me. Anarcho-capitalist has zilch to do with anarchy. That’s my point. Nothing more. I have no real idea what an “anarcho capitalist” is, nor a “capitalist libertarian”, and I don’t really think the people calling themselves or others know either..

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

Ever heard of Murray Rothbard? Don’t be an ignoramus–hear of him.

Mister Bump
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Mister Bump

Hes a capitalist libertarian. Which is nothing to do with anarchism. I know such people like to call it anarcho-capitalism, but its a complete missunderstanding of the term ‘anarchist’, ‘anarchism’ and ‘anarchy’. Capitalism can’t exist without property law. That requires a state – libetarians tend say ‘small state’ – but either way its not anarchism, any state is by definition an imposed hierarchy of force.

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Capitalism can’t exist without property law. That requires a state – libetarians tend say ‘small state’ – but either way its not anarchism, any state is by definition an imposed hierarchy of force.

Your wanky dogmatism (emphasized) cuts no more ice re the freedom to use the term than does the anarcho-capitalists’ wanky argumentation in defence of their bullshit “philosophy”. You wouldn’t be one of those crypto-anarchists who’s repository of value lies in the sanctity of the Oxford English Dictionary and the PolSci lectures at the local educational factory, would you?

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Mister Bump

I dont care what terms people use, but the general principle of writing and speaking is to convay what you mean using words that people can understand. Your comment doesn’t explain what you (or Karen) think anarcho-capitlism means, only that you think my definition is wrong. By every definition i have heard , anarchy is nothing to do with capitalism. I’ve been here before. Self described anarcho-capiatalists are unable to discern the differnce between a capitalism and an anarcho-capitalism (ive debated with quite a few). They often just turn out to have the same philosophy of greedy self serving neo-liberal… Read more »

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OK, not emphasized. The auto-inserted (or any?) “b” (or any?) tag does not work inside auto-inserted (or any?) blockquotes.

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Robbobbobin

OK, you’ve heard of him. Now try reading him. As for the term “anarchy” in any context and any “philosophy”: Bakunin, Kropotkin et al have no proprietary rights.

Mister Bump
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Mister Bump

OK. If you say so. JUst give me your definition then we can be absolutely clear what you think anarchy means. Im happy to accept your definition, do you have one?

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She is also a member of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.
https://consortiumnews.com/tag/veteran-intelligence-professionals-for-sanity/

If she doesn’t now fall on her sword, she should be marched outside and put up against a bloody wall…_

Mister Bump
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Mister Bump

Its very off putting to see off-guardian invite corporate anti-state libertarian ‘truth sayers’ writing stuff for them. They astroturf left wing thinking like the guardian does, only worse.

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Maybe you don’t get it, MB. Let me explain. OffG is pro-truth, pro-reality, pro-free-speech. We are not interested in knee jerk dismissals or people who use generic definitions/denigrations in place of facts. So please feel free to take all of your above generic knee jerk dismissal and distribute it where it may be welcome.

Meanwhile, if you have any critique of the actual content of this piece, your opinions will be welcome and respected.

Mister Bump
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Mister Bump

My critique of the actual content of this piece was that there was no evidence to support the claims. As many other people have also pointed out. I think thats fair. Why would anyone just accept anything said as truth based on annoymous sources with zero evidence. Tahts what the guardian does. It also conflicts with your follow up piece where you state that we should challenge assumptions. I challenge the assumptions of an anarcho-capitalist as much as a neo-liberal capitalist. Because I think capitalism is the fundamental problem of most things. For the record I’ve always enjoyed Off Guardian… Read more »

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DiggerUK

It is obvious that it is a hoax. If true, I believe that Julian’s defence team would have blown this story all over the net. To date, silence.
OffGuardian published this piece, had anybody checked with Julian’s defence team before publishing?

Richard Milhous Nixon claimed that you only had to catch your opponent in a lie once to discredit them completely. This story needs comment from Julian’s team.

If it turns out to be true then lay the table, and serve me plate, after plate, after plate of humble pie until I am sick…_

Yarkob
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Yarkob

“If true, I believe that Julian’s defence team would have blown this story all over the net”

This.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

Ever heard of Jose Padillo? Don’t be a dipshit–hear of him.

Mister Bump
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Mister Bump

Why?

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

Well, if for no other reason than an offsite article specifically addressing the ambiguities that abound in any discussion of the use of torture in modern state interrogation techniques is linked to in the above onsite article, which I understand you claim to be devoid of relevant references.

Mister Bump
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Mister Bump

I know that people get tortured. That isn’t proof Assange is being tortured.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

We are in endtimes. Not a great, rapturous endtimes, but a nasty, squalid little endtimes that will see much of the biosphere laid waste and most, if not all, of its hominids made extinct. And between now and then, while human organization in “advanced” societies is still disfiguring the face of the planet in the image of itself, what is today meted out to the exceptional Julian Assange will become the everyday fate of every neighbourhood dissident misfit. What the rapturous render as poetry — For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes… Read more »

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Robbobbobin, I am in endtimes, cos through some freak in nature (I put it mainly down to my wife), I have managed to get rather old, and actually receive a state pension, unlike my wife, who should have received it on time, when she was 60 years old – but she was cheated by The British Government. They didn’t pay her, the pension she had worked for all her life. However, I think I will live for a few years yet, if we keep up the regular exercise, and don’t have a heart attack in bed. I am fairly confident,… Read more »

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nwwoods

Sorry, but the veracity of some of the reporting on this site is becoming rather suspect to me. Unfortunate.

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It would be more helpful if you detailed which part of this – or any other – article you have a problem with, so we can check it out.

DiggerUK
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DiggerUK

Let me help you.
This story is bollocks. False. Shameful journalism…_

tonyopmoc
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tonyopmoc

nwwoods, It’s a small band of about two and and a half people, and an occasional volunteer. They have been very busy recently upgrading their website. Normally, the standard is excellent, and they have time, to check the veracity, of the content, they publish. I admit they have recently made a couple of mistakes, in posting articles that they have not independently validated. You could always volunteer to help them. I think they do a fantastic job, but we all make mistakes, especially when under pressure, and doing it for free. Just thank them, and send them a tenner. Off-Guardian… Read more »

John2o2o
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John2o2o

The story is shit. It is important to let them know.

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I, for one, appreciate reading the opinion of Karen Kwiatkowski, a retired USAF lieutenant colonel who ran for Congress in Virginia’s 6th district in 2012.
I’d say she’s a rather more credible person than some of the non-entity, self-important, non-expert garbage we see across too much of the alternative media these days.

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Yes, she’s right to raise these concerns. What is she supposed to do, share his cell 24 hours a day to provide a simultaneous record? The US and its cronies and satellites like the UK have an appalling record of barbaric, medieval torture and human rights abuses practised on an industrial scale in scores of countries. The number of victims runs into the hundreds of thousands. With that kind of record, they don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.

DiggerUK
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DiggerUK

As the story is completely bogus it is, by your description, expert garbage…_

John2o2o
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John2o2o

And Donald Trump is president of the USA. So what?

Mister Bump
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Mister Bump

Karen is a self declared Capitalist. See above. Thats all the suspect one needs.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

Some of my best friends are capitalists.

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Refraktor

I certainly hope so.

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With the US government’s interference in Venezuela and the recent monetary support it has undertaken in financially declining Ecuador, which has led to Mr Assange’s eviction from its embassy in London and into the arms of Britain’s penal system, I am persuaded Karen Kwiatkowski’s piece has some veracity and is supported by a number of links to substantiate it. Currently, it seems to me that the Swedish participation in this exercise is as dead as a Skripal duck and it leads me to think the time will surely come in the not to distant future when it will be announced… Read more »

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“I am in no doubt that this current administration…….will seek assistance in the form of promised trade deals with any entity no matter how undesirable or politically repugnant.” Mike Pompeo was over here for talks with May and Hunt a few days ago. I caught part of their post discussion press conference and heard Pompeo declare something along the lines of “Because of our ‘special relationship’ I have every confidence that we can enter into long-term trade deals”. The way he delivered this statement came across almost as a tacit threat to the UK to make sure they continue to… Read more »

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“… … In doing this evil deed, in all of our names, America herself – whether we put her first, last, or somewhere in the middle – will have dug her own grave”. Not only it can be for Assange! We have not to wait, to see it happen in the future, it is not at all in the future! It happens now! On this very moment, with the many others who take drugs in “America”! It seems that they also contribute to delve “America” and their own grave, this literally, by overdose? The highest causes of death in “America”,… Read more »

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What’s with the ‘sic’ after the pronoun for Chelsea Manning? And is there any evidence that people have impaired cognitive functioning after undergoing certain medical or surgical treatments? The entire paragraph is intrusive and irrelevant, and an insult to Chelsea.

And where’s the evidence that Julian Assange has been drugged? Of course, knowing the record of the US and UK, it’s entirely believable, but let’s hear from people who have actually seen him, or a credible whistle-blower from within the system.

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John2o2o

I don’t like the piece particularly, but I too have trouble with being forced to refer to Chelsea Manning as “she”. Chelsea Manning is a very courageous person nonetheless. And you can call me whatever you like.

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Robbobbobin

Nobody’s forcing you to do anything about your attitudes on that score (yet), outside of the Guardian Op-Eds. Call her Bradley if you wish. Me, I think the whole transgender thing is a bit creepy (call me whatever you like) but if you want to be called Ms John, that’d be no problem and I’d respect you for being true to what you wish to be whether you are a famous whistleblower or the short order chef at Jack’s Diner. Whatever gets you through the night — J. Lennon Be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
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Rhisiart Gwilym

Don’t take John2o2o too seriously. She’s upset about pronouns.

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tonyopmoc

This has not been verified, and seems highly unlikely, as he has recently received visitors, who have been interviewed. https://www.sott.net/article/412727-Fake-News-Julian-Assange-tortured-with-psychotropic-drugs-says-retired-USAF-colonel Extract “Comment: Update from Pepe Escobar: IMPORTANT UPDATE ON POSSIBLE TORTURE OF JULIAN ASSANGE This adds up to my previous post on Assange possibly being tortured in jail – according to retired USAF Lt. Col. Karin Kwiatkowski. My great friend Joe Lauria at Consortium News tell me, “Karin is backing away from her statements and has removed her tweet. She says she was just ‘speculating about this when asked a question a couple of weeks ago. Some people think she… Read more »

DiggerUK
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DiggerUK

“The attempt to discredit VIPS – who are EXTREMELY professional and in fact unimpeachable – “……means that her shoddy actions demand she resign from VIPS, and publicly apologise to Julian Assange for the damage to his situation.
VIPS not only challenged the phoney Russian hacking allegations, they destroyed them by proving they couldn’t have happened.

I have no time for your ‘oh so english let’s be pleasant to each other’ weasel words. She was a senior officer. She knows the rules. She falls on her sword. Or she gets taken off the battle field…_

mark
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There is a large active US biological weapons programme with facilities in many countries. And ever heard of Porton Down? People have been poisoned by the US/ Israel. Chavez, Arafat, Palestinian leaders, and many others. They have huge industries producing sophisticated poisons. Maybe in a few months time he will be diagnosed with some mysterious form of cancer or AIDS that can’t really be classified or treated and hasn’t been seen before, like others before him. Then people like you can thunder about the “bollocks.” Look at the people involved, their proven track record (openly boasted about track record), and… Read more »

Indian Jones
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Indian Jones

So, the anarcho-capitalist whose professional asset is credibility devalues her own asset. Maybe she’s not cut out for anarcho-capitalism.

DiggerUK
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DiggerUK

Has this story been verified?
If it were true I would expect his legal team to have issued a statement by now.
I can’t get confirmation about these claims anywhere…_

John2o2o
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John2o2o

Because they are just her opinions.

DiggerUK
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DiggerUK

Then she has hoisted herself on her own opinions. There are reports that she has also issued a mea culpa on her Twitter account.
Wake up, she is a member of VIPS, the damage she has caused them is also a heavy blow for Julian as well…_

DiggerUK
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DiggerUK

This whole story is bollocks. Go check.
As a member of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, Karen Kwiatkowski, the author, is a busted flush now.
She, and OffGuardian, have had their credibility damaged at a time when Julian can least deal with it.
Who checks the veracity of news here? Out on their earhole please…_

Rhisiart Gwilym
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Rhisiart Gwilym

OffG hasn’t had its credibility damaged. See Admin’s comments on this thread. Publishing a range of stuff, which the readers then kick about, is exactly what they should be doing. That’s why the editors here got off the Fraud, after it went full-USukprop-whore under la Viner. And one explanation that I’ve seen for Karen’s – apparent – gaffe is that she herself was the victim of a psyop to get her to do what she’s just done, precisely to damage the reputation of VIPS. She appears to have swallowed the bait rather hastily, and then – belatedly realising what she’d… Read more »

mark
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mark

This should have been published. I’m glad it was.

Paul Metcalf
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Paul Metcalf

I was going to say that when bliar,bush,obama and trump are evetually behind bars they should be given chemical torture as meeted out to the truthtellers but of course that would be wrong and they would probably be resistant to such psychotropic drugs and lie anyway.

Yarkob
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Yarkob

kind of OT, but Chelsea Manning has just been released from detention

tonyopmoc
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tonyopmoc

She is a real hero of our times. I don’t think they will arrest her again, and I reckon Julian Assange will soon be released as a Free Man. Both of these kids have done more than anyone could hope for in a Lifetime.

JudyJ
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JudyJ

… But she has to appear before a grand jury on 16 May.

Yarkob
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Yarkob

yes. Depressing. Who knows, though…All of this is coming to a head. There are still no real charges levelled at JA that haven’t already been thought of and not bothered with..Bizarrely, the dems want him locked up and the Reps want him to testify in “defence” of Trump (or against the assertions made by Mueller)..strange times, indeed