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Guardian Continues to Promote “Progressive” Censorship But don’t worry, they only want to shut down “settled” debates

Kit Knightly

There’s a lot of talk about “free speech” being under threat these days, with reports of de-platforming at universities, academics losing their jobs because of their political opinions, artists and celebrities getting “cancelled” over an off-colour joke, an even vaguely non-PC opinion, or just supporting Donald Trump.

The entire reason this website exists is the sheer amount of censorship in both corporate media and social media.

We have an archive dedicated to it, that doesn’t include even half of 1% of the deleted comments on The Guardian alone.

Rather notably the US is trying to extradite (and perhaps execute) a man for simply telling the truth.

You’d be forgiven for thinking that free speech was, indeed, under attack.

But you’d be wrong. The Guardian says so, or at least Martha Gill says so. She headlines:

Free speech isn’t under threat. It just suits bigots and boors to suggest so

Before explaining:

But is free speech really under threat? The first thing to say is that the scale of the problem in universities has been exaggerated. The practice of denying people speaking slots over their views has rightly caused concern, but every single instance has also attracted vast coverage in national papers, giving the impression of an epidemic. They are not reflective of the feelings of most students.

Free speech advocates also misunderstand the motivation of those who might want to shut down a debate: they see this as a surefire mark of intolerance.

…some debates should be shut down. For public dialogue to make any progress, it is important to recognise when a particular debate has been won and leave it there.

It’s a magical journey:

  • Censorship ISN’T happening, that’s just something racists say
  • If censorship WERE happening it would be for a good reason
  • Censorship IS happening, and is a good thing

Personally, I love the phrase “For public dialogue to make any progress, it is important to recognise when a particular debate has been won and leave it there”, wonderful. Perfect. The liberal argument for censorship – The debate isn’t shut down, it’s just over. We won. We need to move forward.

Dissent will be bad for “public dialogue”.

The examples she cites – Flat Earth, burning witches etc. are deliberately extreme and ridiculous, but the principle could equally apply to anything. Global warming, Assad’s “war crimes”, socialism, antisemitism. MH17. The Skripals.

The list is endless. All they have to do is assume a political position, declare the debate over and then silence the dissent for the sake of “public dialogue”. This does not make them “anti-free speech”:

No-platformers are not scared – they simply think certain debates are over. You may disagree, but it does not mean they are against free speech.

A beautifully totalitarian position. They will rebrand intolerance as being “enlightened” and “woke” and “progressive”.

Don’t worry guys – The only debates being shut down are ones which should be, because they’re over.

How comforting.

Kit Knightly is co-editor of OffGuardian. The Guardian banned him from commenting. Twice. He used to write for fun, but now he's forced to out of a near-permanent sense of outrage.

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Kit Knightly is co-editor of OffGuardian. The Guardian banned him from commenting. Twice. He used to write for fun, but now he's forced to out of a near-permanent sense of outrage.

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jgarbo

Hasn’t anyone over 20 learned? Your speech is only as free as it is ineffective. You may shout vigorously about the immutable and debate fervently the trivial, but as soon as you peck at the veil of establishment dogma you will be swiftly silenced.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

ABC are proposing to sue the Australian Police, (i heard in the early hours), so looking for any news on that, I found this article below, tucked away in the “Australian politics” section, in the Oz version of the Guardian.

Clearly, already these charades make a mockery of the true discussion of Freedom of the Press and are designed to dilute the ammunition that Wikileaks & Julian Assange hold & their ‘Higher Ground’ !

Be 100% sure that any Guardian journalist of old would have had the nouse to at least mention & connect Wikileaks & Assange to this legitimate discussion and the need for re-defining & re-writing Laws in the UK, as well as Australia, indeed all 5eyes nations >>> point:-

Check the meticulous Guardian efforts to avoid mentioning JA & Wikileaks & also by
ALL ‘faux’ CONCERNED PARTIES

Then the almost hidden lowly positioning of priority societal matters,
most current & of most concern.

Expect a whitewash ! when the following,

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jun/26/australian-media-unite-to-demand-government-change-laws-after-afp-raids

is usurped by this “Australia News”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jun/26/israel-folau-acl-australian-christian-lobbys-fundraising-sparks-complaints-to-watchdog

You know when you’ve been ‘tangoed’ & deceived …

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Just to add, 24 hours later, the first link has been ‘disappeared’ !

Say no more . . .

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

P.S. I assumed that it was absofirkin’lutely obvious and no need for me to mention that Assange should have been mentioned in some form or another, given his roots:-

Loyalty in principle & law is neither a national nor corporate, let alone a

PROFESSIONAL VALUE TODAY !

víctor lobos
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víctor lobos

And characteristically, you have no chance to comment on Miss Gill’s article. That’s so typically Guardianist these days…

Fraud Mod
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Fraud Mod

come on folks put that Fraudian ‘Report’ function to good use!!!! Don’t be shy! Tell that widdle stasi “mod’ what you really think of their FRAUDIAN. Be persistent!!! And gosh dang they’ll usually disable the ‘Report’ function with this message:

Sorry there was an error. Please try again later. If the problem persists, please contact Userhelp

More and more frequently the Stasi Fraudian ‘mod’ will open the comment thread with this little gem:

CommunityMod 7h ago
Staff
Guardian Pick

Comments on this piece are premoderated to ensure discussion remains on topics raised by the writer. Please be aware there may be a short delay in comments appearing on the site.

YESSIRREE!! At the FRAUDIAN “Dissent will be (is evidently) bad for “public dialogue”.

Free Julilan!!! Free Chelsea!!!!

Deschutes
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Deschutes

The WSWS.org recently ran an article exposing the close cooperation between the UK/USA military and intelligence agencies and Guardian deputy editor Paul Johnson: “Paul Johnson, was personally thanked by the Defence and Security Media Advisory Notice (or D-Notice) committee for integrating the Guardian into the operations of the security services.” Johnson came on board the Guardian in 2014, right after the Snowden revelations. So basically the Guardian not only censors any story the military and intelligence agencies want them to, but also peddles their propaganda. It’s a good read, check it here-

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/06/22/guar-j22.html

I quit reading the Guardian back in 2014 after the nonstop ‘war on Russia’ propaganda shitstorm kicked into full throttle mode. Propaganda and lies back then, even worse now! I’m amazed people still read it, I feel sorry for them.

NeverReady
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NeverReady

Ha…just read Kit Knightly was banned from commenting on the “Comment is Free”™ twice, well, I was banned 7 times…

What vote?
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What vote?

So … for public dialogue to make any progress .. we must shut up, and, only the Elites –who all happen to be Friends of Israel– can decide what is good for all of us.

M.K. Styllinski
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Even The Independent’s horribly biased and myopic reporting isn’t quite as gut clenchingly risible and self-righteous as The Guardian. It’s the little appeal to support and “safeguard their editorial independence” which I find both hilarious and tragic at the same time. It’s a place which is infested with those totalitarian type listed in the article. And it’s not a little chilling to think that such people are so identified with their perceived moral rectitude and care for the other, that they cannot remotely develop any kind of objective analysis of their sacred belief cows.

Delighted to find this website by the way. Great job.

Steve Hayes
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By Martha Gill’s logic, no one should have been allowed to challenge the Weapons of Mass Destruction narrative in 2002/3.

1984 Logic
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1984 Logic

By Martha Gill’s logic, invasion of Iraq didn’t happen!

By Marths Gill’s logic, the Pentagon, US State department, CIA and NSA do not exist.

By Martha Gill’s logic, Glyphosates make a healthy nutritional drink.

By Martha Gill’s logic, privatisation and deregulation are making life sooooooo much better for ordinary people.

By Martha Gill’s logic, those who discuss politics are ‘like bigots and boors’.

William HBonney
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William HBonney

The Guardian will go out of business if it continues to alienate its readership.

I have been reading it all my adult life, but nowadays, if you do not embrace AGW, extreme feminism, veganism and transgenderism, then you aren’t welcome there.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

“I have been reading it all my adult life … ”

Not long then, apparently, Bill Bonney: how old are you, in fact ?

It won’t be going out of business in a hurry, even after alienating all its’ old readership and clients, that had happily advertised within societal needs for Trust. Trust, taking often a lifetime to earn, but lost in seconds >>> Long lost, Bill.

Clearly your knowledge, (regarding the Media Wars & Soros’ Media Matters, that have entered into extreme ‘play’ since September 2001), is inadequate and one must conclude that your adult life is one that began after 2001, somehow … either that or you’ve lived your life in LaLaLand, absent Murdoch & Co.

In reality Bill, when you finally wake up, you will come to see, one day, that the Guardian was doomed from September 2001 onwards, (let alone Snowden, Greenwald & Assange) ) and most readers @OffG are fully aware of the role, rhyme & reason for the MIC’s Deep State New Pearl Harbour, with which the Guardian still colludes, in denial of all . . .

PHYSICS !

& Bill Binney’s courageous efforts, whistleblowing.

Clearly Bill, you have no understanding of WTC7, Physics or Soros’ ‘media matters’, let alone the need for Leveson 2:0 & relevant new legislation, under various jurisdictions: nor indeed the media wars of the last decades and who owns & controls the output of each, with the funnel feed & speed of Reuters, AP & AFP, determining amplification & agendas.

The Guardian has a completely new role to play in global charades & a new business model, where i’m sure you’ll be welcome, once you fall into line with the Mi7 moderators & their censorship, already long installed, whilst you were …
where ? Asleep ? 🙂

Johnson & Johnson’s & Bo. Johnson’s plans for the Guardian, read like “The History of ‘D’ Notices” as chapter within … Gore Vidal’s “The History of the National Security State” , with

Military T.U.R.D.s for backup (TURDs = the ubiquitous russian distraction, seriously ? ) !

Sense the contempt.

Attempted TREASON has occurred & been censored, within 5Eyes so blind, that they needed to incorporate both the Italian & Ukrainian Secret Services to help try & ‘boot’ the existing lies to the public, in an attempt to ‘right’ the direction, all to no avail, just more projection & transference, Bill !

Whilst we’re on that subject, Bill, regards to Antonym and remind him that you got 11 likes, by just keeping your comment simple & plainly absurd 🙂
Regards to
Absurdistan.

different frank
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different frank

I’d like to explain it to you.
But I neither have the time or the crayons.

Gardenfiend
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Gardenfiend

The guardian is nothing but an intelligence mouthpiece, a shell. Ever wondered how it’s able to continue publishing at all? It must have lost a million readers with the agendas it daily pushes.

Jen
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Jen

I think folks will be very interested in Matt Kennard’s tweet about The Fraudian’s deputy editor Paul Johnson and the work he did in bringing this propaganda sheet back into the embrace of the Ministry of Defence, and their compliments to him.

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

Good morning … a mixed bag of a comment… it is not intended to be off-topic, but to go with many excellent posts here that prompts me.

This explains the Harry Potter >> Super Power exceptionalism >> GOT arc of full spectrum brainwashing entertainment perpetrated upon the population
(who happily consume it like so many foi gras geese lining up to be force fed their corn daily.)

I think when Potus was summoned by the ancient Luddite god botherers to HQ he was tasked to step in and do something to make their hard brexit happen, kill the EU and stop the Corbynites – by starting another war in the ME so that the UK goes rushing into all out conflict and suspends its barely normal parliamentry democracy completely and avoids a GE – terrorist attacks will be furnished and blamed on isis – err Iran!
Donald was introduced to his partner in this criminal escapade, the chosen one, Jammy Runt.

A fine week of mid summer madness continues – hey look! theres that guy who’s head has been turned into an actual asses head, running around royally jesting as the conspiracy unfolds.

That’s the current top story in the daily Obsessive Groan.

Happy Monday to all.
(yes you trollbots too)

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

The Groan is serving it up in dollops now with the Tom Tuggendhat and ‘cross party’ MP’s saying let more Indians in to get a trade deal with Modi!

Hillarious – not a word about trying to break the growing cooperation between India and Pakistan and China and Russia and the rest of the SCO and ASEANs that will finally see the raising of the poorest after centuries of imperialism and its hangover.

Too little too late Tuggendhat toot toot you missed that train!

What vote?
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What vote?

Thank you for this important analysis which shows how we are staring down the abyss. An abyss built by the Pentagon and intelligence agencies, and, heavily promoted by the Guardian & Co.

Yes, the every-growing influential connection between the military and the press is OUT OF HAND. Yes, it is now out in the open, and out of control!

Advocating for censorship by the Guardian & Co. is a clear indication that the argument by the Establishment has been long lost and the necessary action for them to take now is to shut down debates.

The Guardian has essentially made an art form called SDD: Shutting Down Debates which alienates non-conforming views; views that are often manufactured to mislead and waste people’s time and energy.

There was a time when the Guardian was playing the role of enlightening the crowd. Now it’s the exact opposite: Mislead and there doesn’t seem to be any shortage in time-wasting mind games.

Wilmers31
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Wilmers31

The Guardian is the only place with some significance which is not 100% Colluding Class ruled. We have to take that or join facebook and p1ss in the wind as we used to say. I checked the Spiegel today and on their front page they do NOT have the protests against the RWE owned lignite mine near Aachen. Not only do they refuse to ditch coal and turn to other fuels – THEY PLAN TO EXTEND THE MINE. Obviously significantly or they would not plan to relocate a village.

So why do the Guardian and the Spiegel not feature prominently these protests which attracted 40,000 people? The mine is owned by RWE, which is a public company. US company BlackRock owns good chunks of key companies in Germany, including the Stock Exchange. As the US fight all efforts to do something about reducing air pollution it does not surprise that BlackRock directs RWE to keep burning lignite. BlackRock influences the big companies and through their advertising revenue, they direct the media.

Kerosene can be made by plucking CO2 from the air, use water plus sunlight. Are the guys who follow BlackRock’s directions burying this invention?

No more oil wars when kerosene is made from CO2 and diesel is replaced by hydrogen?

Monobazeus
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Monobazeus

It is entertainment. The sexual dysphoria is a state sponsored creating mass folie a deux outbreaks to keep us all amused. The bullshit that is Novichok, ditto. Brexit, same same.!

You are being played. WW3 is albut upon you and you are being entertained. Not thinking in survival mode, no, chortling instead at trannies, in the private still recesses of your failing mind.

You are a dude cut from a camel and hung up to dry.

Not an ounce of courage left in you.

different frank
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different frank

Number 6.

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism – Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights – Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause – The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military – Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism – The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media – Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security – Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined – Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected – The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed – Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts – Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment – Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption – Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections – Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

FascismDwnUnder
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FascismDwnUnder

Thanks for the List, differnt frank

Let’s see what the Fascism barometer say about Australia:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism – going very well

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights – Privatise and Deregulate Corporates/Big business first and human beings last: Going extremely well

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause – demonising ethnic minorities and foreigners is th ethe bread and butter for some major media outlets

4. Supremacy of the Military – Sure thing: ‘Soldiers and military service’, better recognised as the killing industry, are glamorized on a daily basis. These are the Untouchables!

5. Rampant Sexism – In the latest gender debates, the Australian government has effectively abolished the principal of separation between Church and Government

6. Controlled Mass Media – Hello Murdoch! Even media outlets not controlled by Murdoch need to toe the Murdoch line for survival

7. Obsession with National Security – Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined – What happened to the separation of Church and Power?

9. Corporate Power is Protected – Protected and rewarded for their hard work. For anxiety relief, the neoliberal government keeps decreasing the number of tax-inspection roles

10. Labor Power is Suppressed – The ardent conservative Presbyterian prime minister has vowed clearly, he is there to crush labour union movement

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts –The undying rule in mainstream media: Everything is Scripted. No non-conforming views allowed!!!!!!

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment – Interesting how the Police/Spies are being given more and more power to extract all details of private lives .. and at the same time .. they (law enforcers) are given less resources when it comes to effectively ‘help’ citizens with their safety/daily issues. This is a real sinister governmental planning in the age of NeoLiberalism

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption – Time and time again, we see big projects (as well as big grants) being awarded to corporates and friends without proper scrutiny

14. Fraudulent Elections – Smear was widespread the last election in marginal seats by the incumbent government. That certainly helped them stay in power

Can anyone dispute the fact that the Australian government is indeed applying all the Fascism Characteristics very religiously?!

Fraud Mod
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Fraud Mod

15. Wholesale wanton poisoning and destruction of the entire biosphere throughout all of Penal Australia by the Corporate Greed Death Machine.

different frank
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different frank

Go onto the independent and the daily mirror.
There are vile racist trolls that post all the time.
They seem to be protected.

Tom
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Tom

And of course the public are never allowed to debate issues that might upset the rulers, such as the Royal Family, ‘anti-semitism’, American control of our foreign policy etc. Even some media figures seem to be out of bounds – the Guardian was deleting comments critical of an article by Adrian Chiles a couple of weeks back, for example.

D-Rock
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D-Rock

So, by their logic, a person wrongly convicted of an offense must never be allowed to fight for their innocence. They should have no path to have the conviction overturned and should just suck it up and serve out their sentence, be it life in prison or even a death sentence… Because the debate was “won” in the courtroom.

Also, by their own logic, all of these lefties need to back the *bleep* off of the constitution because it is no longer open for discussion. It is a debate that was held long ago and has been over for quite some time.

In saying that, free speech is free speech. If someone wants to express their opinion on a debate that is “over” (most likely a debate they were not a part of so they couldn’t express their opinion during the open debate), then they should be allowed… No, they ARE allowed, to express whatever opinion they want. And if the Guardian does not want to open the debate back up then they can shut their mouths and ignore the opinion.

Free speech doesn’t mean everyone in the world must acknowledge the expressed opinion, it just means that anyone can express it however they like ( without breaking other laws, of course).

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

“I got entangled in my own data, and my conclusion directly contradicts the original idea from which I start. Starting from unlimited freedom, I conclude with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that apart from my solution of the social formula, there can be no other.”
― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Demons

😉

mark
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mark

Aren’t we lucky to have these Superior Beings like Gill and Harding at the Guardian to tell us what to think?

different frank
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different frank

How dare you say bad things about your betters