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DISCUSS: Iran Seizes UK Oil Tanker – UPDATED Latest incident in Straits of Hormuz, clear response to UK’s seizure of Grace 1

As the media world and the twitterati are abuzz with whether or not Trump was racist and what Ilhan Omar will say next, the real world just ploughs right along, steaming straight toward another meltdown in the Middle East.

Iran is heating up, again.

The Iranian Navy has allegedly seized not one, but two UK operated oil tankers. The British press is reporting the ships were “hijacked”, whilst Iran claims they are merely enforcing maritime law.

This comes hot on the heels of another incident in the Strait, two days ago Iran stopped the Panamanian ship the MT Riah, accusing it of smuggling Iranian oil.

This can be seen as the inevitable Iranian response to the British seizure of an Iranian oil tanker off the coast of Gibraltar earlier this month. Jeremy Hunt claimed the ship, the Grace 1, was seized because it was transporting oil to Syria, in defiance of Western sanctions. Iran denies this. (Ed. Not an expert, but fairly sure under international law the UK has no right to enforce these sanctions. Iran and Syria are sovereign nations with every right to engage in bilateral trade).

Alongside all of this, yesterday President Donald Trump claimed the US military had downed an Iranian drone to “protect” one of their warships. Iran denies any of their drones have been destroyed.

One of two things is happening here:

1. US/UK are deliberately sailing ships into Iran’s waters to provoke a response.

2. Iran is flexing its muscles in the area, trying to demonstrate how they can hurt international oil markets if they are pushed into doing so.

The motivation for the US is clear in that scenario, they are hoping they can force Iran to do something, or else credibly invent an incident, that will justify their torpedoing of the nuclear deal. This could then be used to pressure the EU to join the US in applying new sanctions, or be lead to all-out war. It’s not clear which the US wants right now, but the historical precedents all point to America’s itchy trigger fingers.

If Iran is forcing the issue themselves, it’s a bold move. Fully capable of blowing up in their faces. It also contradicts some of their other moves – notably the deal the Iranian foreign minister proposed just yesterday, whereby the US would drop their sanctions in exchange for the Iranian government allowing immediate and regular inspections of all their nuclear facilities.

This deal would, essentially, be reintroducing the terms of the deal Trump tore up, but on a much-accelerated timeline.

There has been no word yet on whether or not the US would accept this deal (although those of you paying attention could probably make an educated guess).

Of course, with all the talk of drones, tankers and whathaveyou, the proposed peace deal has been pretty much ignored in the mainstream media.

The questions become:

  • Is this Iran attempting a Good Cop-Bad Cop move?
  • Or are the US upping tensions to overshadow the proposed deal, and/or provide an excuse to reject it?
  • Do the Neocons really want a new war, or are they satisfied with sanctions?
  • If Iran is attempting to boss the situation, will the US back down?
  • What is the UK’s role in this?
  • Are they just doing what the US tells them, or does Westminster have their own reasons for stoking tensions?

UPDATE 20/07/19: Footage released showing Iranian Revolutionary Guard boarding Stena Impero:

Iran’s government has, predictably, described the incident as “reciprocation”.

The UK media have described Iran’s actions as “taunting the UK” and “stoking tensions”

Meanwhile, the US is increasing its military presence in Saudi Arabia.

As always, discuss below and we will update if and when it becomes necessary.
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kidocelot
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kidocelot

The movement of the chess pieces!

1. This could be the UK creating an emergency to defer Brexit further or totally…..and return the UK to the desired business as usual neoliberal agenda.

2. A fight that then allows the USA to engage later on a secondary level and say we didn’t do it or want it but have a moral and overseeing imperative to intercede.

Stephen Morrell
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Stephen Morrell

Well done Iran.

davemass
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davemass

The oil price must go to 100 USD to make shale and fracked oil pay!
What better way to get that than to fabricate an incident or more than one?
It makes my country, (U.K.) look like a bunch of total twats.
Wasn’t it Zhuo EnLai who said “peoples are not evil, only governments….”
BTW, U.K. in its naval heyday was an expert at piracy, especially against Spanish
gold galleons!

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

“U.K. in its naval heyday was an expert at piracy,”. . . & False Flags.

The West has Panamanian flags of convenience & False Flagged bank accounting systems, from Iran-Contra-days of old, so maybe Gaza could initiate something remarkably similar, in memory of the USS Liberty & out of Respect for the Bridge Signals Officer on the day of the attack, still actively demonstrating today for Gaza,

Joe Meadors Maritime Flags of Gazan Convenience, 😉

And Iran, China & Russia could register a sh8t load of ships, in memory of the days of the USS Liberty & when Freedom of information was murdered in the West, simultaneously with the illegal invasion of the Golan Heights, on that fateful day where all respect for international LAWs & maritime law, was blown out of the water by the IAF & IDF … attacking life rafts even, according to other witnesses & Joe Meadors, even after Joe having raised the USA Flag Twice, during the attacks on an unarmed vessel in international waters.

The JMM/FGC could change the balance of powers on the high seas & on land 🙂

Gazans & Palestinians must totally re-think their game strategy and any future steps to improve their status internationally must involve quality communications systems &

Urgent Legitimate ‘TRANSPORTS’ & Transport Laws that are respected & upheld & enforced, under a considered equitable jurisdiction from multi-polar players…
coz’ the U.N. is wholly incapable of thinking legitimately, already well proven.

If I were Chinese and could register my ships on the cheap in the Med. , next to Greece with existing Chinese investments and foreign militaries to observe swarming all around the region, Gaza could prove an interesting spot to develop, one way or another . . . 🙂

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

I should add, that given Turkey’s proposed purchase of the Russian S-400’s air defence systems and their historic support of Gazans & Palestinians, including Turkish Seafarers loss of life to Israeli Military thugs’ illegal actions in international waters, again, en route to Gaza, it is fair to suggest that NATO’s second largest military contingent, is vey much for turning and certain forces will want Erdogan dead again, after their first failed attempt, when Putin warned Erdogan mid-flight to Istanbul in July 2016 …

Iran, Russia & China are playing the long game on oil prices, coz they see the harm it is doing to morally & financially bankrupted western governments & the Turkish Lira has suffered badly, but the Belt & Road initiative needs Turkey and Turkey imports more from China than it does from any other nation … think about that reality hard fact, coz’ it looks to me like Erdogan is enjoying the long game of chess, more than Israel … who are behind the Chinese technologically, & in many electronic departments, that must bridge future societal & cultural differences for the resources & markets of …

Tomorrow:-

tune in, next week, to flags of convenience wanna’ FUKUS Modulations 🙂 FOCW FM

Ramdan
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Ramdan

….and now…taran…(dramatic music):

“The Daily Mirror report claims that UK intelligence service MI6 and the Government Communication Headquarters (GCHQ) initiated an investigation on whether omnipotent Russian spies used their cyber-warfare prowess to spoof the GPS signal on the UK-flagged Stena Impero tanker seized by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps”

…..to be continue…dont miss next episode of UK (and the “CIVILIZED” West resist the attacks of the evils russians and Ayatollahs….

(Epic music fade in and slowly fades out)

…We’ll go to commercials and be back in a second. Dont move from your seats my fellow hypnotized consumers…(SMILE).

JungleRulez
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JungleRulez

Iran has taken time to study the rule book used by the US and Europe to diminish the strength then destroy the countries they deem as possible economic or militarily a threat.
US and Europe step by step strategy for a new world Oder.

Step1:
Harass them

Step2:
Give them an opportunity to complain thru the UN and the Security Council

Step3:
Ignore the UN and SC and harass then even more

Step4:
Offer them a way out if they destroy their weapons.

Step5:
Once they are weak and cannot defend themselves attack them and destroy any semblance of normality making sure they do not recover for the next 100 years. Prop up a regime of your choice (preferably a Military Junta) under your control

Step6:
Create a militia that will ensure perpetual chaos

Step7:
Offer to protect and rebuild them in exchange for all their wealth.

Step8:
Plunder their wealth

Step9:
Repeat Step8 in perpetuity

Step10:
Repeat Step1 to Step9 on every country that has wealth to plunder.

JungleRulez
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JungleRulez

So let me get this straight.
UK seizes an Oil tanker because they suspect it to be supplying crude oil to Syria and that’s OK after all it’s their right even if no evidence exists. Then they turn and ask Iran to promise it’s going to Turkey, how patronizing, but that’s OK after all it’s the British doing it they are the good guys regardless of their action.

Iran retaliates in kind and it’s a big issue worth raising at the UNSC or even threatening war.

Did I miss something or are the defenders of truth and freedom (As the British like to think of themselves) only willing to look at their truth only and no one is allowed to question their version of truth, a.k.a Alternative truth

Frank Speaker
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Frank Speaker

Pathetic.

What’s pathetic Frank?

1. That the US and UK still believe that they own the world, when everyone else is moving against them.
2. That Marxists here support an anti LGBT, hanging and headchopping bunch of religious nutters.

mark
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mark

Maybe they should support the “religious nutters” waiting for The Rapture in the JEWSA instead.
Or the “religious nutters” in Talmudistan plotting to blow up the Dome Of The Rock so they can sacrifice their red heifer.
They execute almost as many people as Texas. Surprising they don’t get on like house on fire.

William HBonney
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Is there any topic you are incapable of shoehorning Israel into!?

mark
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mark

Why not? This is the latest in a long series of wars for Talmudistan. None of them would have happened otherwise. Iraq. Afghanistan. Libya. Syria. All kosher wars for the Chosen Folk, plotted, incited and engineered by the Neocohens, fought with goy muscle, money and blood. The old, old story.

johnny
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johnny

howz langley hasbara boy?

George
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George

What’s pathetic is that you now seem to be talking to yourself Frank. Myyyy prrresssssscious!

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

But this is relevant ain’t it, Admin?

Hello… some more leekage from the tanker kerfuffle.

‘A Royal Navy warship escorting the Stena Impero tanker before its Friday detention by the IRGC attempted to put up “resistance and interference” to stop the Iranian military from bringing the tanker to shore’
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201907201076306630-british-warship-tried-to-stop-iran-from-seizing-uk-flagged-tanker-in-hormuz-strait—irgc/

So … our sailors didn’t manage to get sunk as they were supposed to. Smart guys.

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

Bad connection to Off-G briefly there ..

Lets chew on this breaking news.

Hello… some more leekage from the tanker kerfuffle.

‘A Royal Navy warship escorting the Stena Impero tanker before its Friday detention by the IRGC attempted to put up “resistance and interference” to stop the Iranian military from bringing the tanker to shore’
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201907201076306630-british-warship-tried-to-stop-iran-from-seizing-uk-flagged-tanker-in-hormuz-strait—irgc/

So … our sailors didn’t manage to get sunk as they were supposed to. Smart guys.

espartaco
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We are facing a ‘conspiracy’, a game, a fake conflict engineered by the UK’s immigrationist Establishment and its pals, the Ayatollahs of Iran, to boost the chances of Jeremy Hunt to become PM and prevent BoJo, Trump’s favourite, to win and boost the position of the USA against the Iran Deal. A few hours ago, a former First Sea Lord was showing his disgust in a BBC interview regarding the ‘unbelievable’ and suspicious ‘unpreparedness’ of the Royal Navy for a scenario that was completely foreseeable… In short… Iran helping Hunt.

Tim jenkins
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Tim jenkins

In short, espartaco, What you need is a commmiiittteee and to bury yer’ heads on the beach @Bognor, ole’ buggers … gimme’ more ole’ TATT
(TATT-Tel Aviva Talmudic Trans-missions) &

Llareggub tally-Ho: a few hours ago a former first sea lord was getting invited by secret services to report on his endless colonial missionary expeditions & positions on Epstein Island in an inflatable, with Ghislaine Maxwell …

Don’t give up the dayjob…

espartaco
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Come on JINX… you did not really think we could fall for ‘Jenkins’… surely, even a retarded and paranoid antisemitic Nazi like you could see that we prefer that ‘YOU’ pay us the DOLE… keep working hard for us in your ‘dayjob’… thanks…!!!

LeRuscino
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LeRuscino

UK looks silly & weak. Better to have not touched the Tanker at Gibraltar & retained the 007 illusion of strength.

Jeremy Hunt is toast for this mistake……..

mark
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mark

With May, Bojo and Hunt at the helm, what could possibly go wrong?

Seamus Padraig
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Seamus Padraig

White pill: with a little bit of luck, this could well be Washington’s Suez Crisis, where their empire in the ME finally comes to an inglorious–but bloodless–end.

Seamus Padraig
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Seamus Padraig

This could then be used to pressure the EU to join the US in applying new sanctions …

The Euro-muppets never actually lifted the old sanctions against Iran in the first place. It seems they’re too afraid of getting sanctioned by the US themselves, so they’re just going to wait it out quietly until 2021, when Trump is finally out of office … they hope.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

“One of two things is happening here:

1. US/UK are deliberately sailing ships into Iran’s waters to provoke a response.

2. Iran is flexing its muscles in the area, trying to demonstrate how they can hurt international oil markets if they are pushed into doing so.”

One of two and a half things:

1. US/UK are deliberately sailing ships into Iran’s waters to provoke a response.

1.5. Iran is reacting to Gulf smuggling activity it normally ignores by waiting until it catches a UK or US vessel engaging in it as a UN-level provable incident that, nevertheless, has all the warning signalling and propaganda value (and then some) but decidely less of the risk of detaining a bona fide shipment.

2. Iran is flexing its muscles in the area, trying to demonstrate how they can hurt international oil markets if they are pushed into doing so.

Them that ask no questions isn’t told a lie.
Watch the wall my darling while the Gentlemen go by.

Carnyx
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Carnyx

Okay here’s my reading, Iran is flexing it’s muscles, it’s letting Trump and the world know that if it’s economy suffers from sanctions they’ll push up oil prices and hurt everyone back, as such their proxies will conduct attacks on gulf shipping of increasing frequency and scale, giving Trump enough time and warning to pull back from his stupid sanctions.

I don’t think Trump wants war with Iran, he just wants a deal he can claim is better than Obama’s and thinks carrot and stick will work, but the Iranians will not fold, Trump has no idea what he is dealing with. Trouble is there are a whole bunch of people in the Trump admin that really do want war and they are doing everything they can to drag Trump into one. Iran meanwhile waited to see if Europe would stand up to Trump but they failed, European companies are too scared of being sanctioned by the US if they work with Iran. Iran is only stepping up now after Europe failed to ignore US sanctions.

Brexit means the UK desperately needs a favourable US trade deal and that means doing anything Washington wants, subsequently they stupidly and illegally ceased the Iranian tanker and played themselves and have now put UK shipping in the firing zone.

Trump doesn’t want war with Iran, the British govt doesn’t, Iran doesn’t want war either, but the neocons are working away to get as many people killed as possible.

Mikalina
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Mikalina

You should put that in a comic strip……

Carnyx
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Carnyx

I cannot think of any reason the neocons aren’t cartoon villains. I know they prefer to think of themselves as superhero white knights dashing around the world fighting evil … but then, I’m more of a Utilitarian than a Kantian, screw the intentions, look at the effing results and that tells you exactly what they are!

lundiel
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lundiel

Britain doesn’t need a trade deal with America. We always do what America wants. However, the British public doesn’t want a trade deal with America, most people are happy to keep parity with European regulations and trade with America under current terms. They don’t want or need, American food and they definitely don’t want further inroads by American health care corporates.

Carnyx
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Carnyx

Britain cannot continue to trade with it’s EU partners with the same conditions because it’s leaving, the British owning elite needs access to other markets to make up for the loss and hence the US. The more power the British establishment have over UK policy the worse it gets for the bulk of British people outside London, the UK has greater disparity in wealth between it’s regions than anywhere else in Northern Europe and that is entirely the fault of the British establishment. See, that’s what English Brexiters aren’t appreciating, the British state isn’t the same thing as themselves collectively. It wasn’t the British people who wanted to invade Iraq, but the British establishment, with it’s imperial heritage, aspires to global significance so it goes along with Washington, and Brexit only increases that.

The British elite are also now promoting a dangerous russophobic new Cold War, because they hope it will unite themselves from Brexit divisions and help maintain the UK’s global position if they have a big foreign enemy to unite the US and Europe against. That’s why the Brits were involved in Russiagate and all the Skipal BS.

Brexiter’s problem isn’t that they don’t understand the EU, they don’t understand the British state. This applies to Lexiters too, there are indeed some good reasons to Leave the EU, although these apply mostly to countries (that aren’t Germany or next to Germany) inside the Eurozone, but whatever you need to have faith in the British state to think it can be any better outside the EU, and I have none, the British state sucks, it has a decrepit top down centralised constitution that denies sovereignty to the people of the UK, which is why it can never be federal. Brexiters in regional England are in for a hell of a nasty shock when they realise they just voted to give the architectects of their own decline even greater powers.

Never trust the British establishment.

lundiel
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lundiel

there are indeed some good reasons to Leave the EU, although these apply mostly to countries (that aren’t Germany or next to Germany) inside the Eurozone,

See, you know yourself, the Eurozone is bound to fail and only Germany does alright out of the EU.

Never trust the British establishment.

But have faith in the neoliberal EU….the only trading block in the world that has neoliberalism enshrined forever in law. No thanks. I don’t trust any of them, nor should you. The EU is a bunch of right-wing states awaiting the next economic crisis.

Carnux
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Carnux

See, you know yourself, the Eurozone is bound to fail and only Germany does alright out of the EU.

Yes I do, I’m writing this in Greece. Although I’d say that Germany does well out of the Euro (rather than EU) because they insisted on more neoliberal measures which were advantageous to them as part of joining it. The Germans were at first very reluctant to join the Euro because they took pride in the strong DM, however the weaker Euro boosts their export market which centralises the EZ economy in Germany while removing competition under cutting them.

The British establishment meanwhile were happy to let Britain’s industry rot (in the north), leave manufacturing to the Germans and put all their eggs into financial services (based in the south east) because finance was the only realm left where the UK could be a global power, and so what if people in Glasgow or Liverpool are impoverished, they can “get on their bike”.

But have faith in the neoliberal EU

And guess who was pushing the neoliberalism and Alanticism within the EU? Who wanted rapid eastern expansion, who was promoting Turkish membership, who was working to ensure that the EU was more of a market than a federal state by insisting on ever greater size? Who traded fishing rights so the Spanish would support measures advantageous to The City? What did Thatcher introduce to the developed world?

Fact is the UK itself made the EU worse, the EU would have been better of without it, although it’s too late now … still the British people will be worse off without the EU tempering the British state’s institutional culture. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Thing is no remainer from the British establishment can advance the ultimate remain argument “we are even worse for you than that lot in Brussels”.

lundiel
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lundiel

What the EU has done to Greece is truly appalling. They put a failed economic model before the lives of people. Austerity will be forced on Greece for another 60 years, if they continue to record economic growth year on year for every one of those 60 years. The country has been effectively destroyed.
I am very glad we are leaving.

Carnyx
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Carnyx

And yet the UK imposed austerity on itself without anything near the degree of crisis (before the “bailout”) that Greece was experiencing.

lundiel
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lundiel

I’m sorry, what’s your point? I don’t represent the British government or agree with it’s political or economic policy. Many people here know that austerity was imposed for ideological purposes and had no economic necessity. I will repeat what I said before: We (UK), can change policy with governments….The countries of the EU can’t. Good day.

Carnyx
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Carnyx

The British elite freely choose to do something to it’s own people that was forced on Greece by circumstance, the Germans had more excuse to impose austerity on Greece than the UK had to impose it on the UK! Thus there is no way returning to the singular rule of the British establishment can improve things for the British people, they’ll screw us over faster and harder than the EU.

lundiel
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lundiel

Keep telling yourself that from your retirement/holiday home in Greece. Your comments leak self-interest.

Carnyx
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Carnyx

I’m married to a Greek, my daughter is half Greek and neither of us are retired, the Greek crisis has affected my family more than yours. Thank you for your presumption.

You are apparently poor at recognising where opposing arguments are stemming from, mine in particular stems from a Scottish Nationalist perspective.

lundiel
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lundiel

Says it all. Scottish Nationalists are out and out neoliberals.

Carnyx
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Carnyx

The SNP and their Nordic social democratic aims, do not represent the entire Indy movement and they are still well to the left of Slab. I’m worried they are getting too comfortable in Westminster when the whole point is to break up Britain so it can be replaced in Scotland, England and Wales by something better. Indy gives us and England a chance to drop the imperial baggage and reform govt from the bottom up, in Scotland’s it already has a predominantly leftist electorate.

lundiel
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lundiel

Good luck with that.

lundiel
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lundiel

I would also say that, in this country (UK), we can change government and economic models. I’m well aware we’ve had 50 years of neoliberalism. But the EU is stuck with it until 27 countries can agree to scrap every treaty since Maastricht and rewrite European law. In other words, they are stuck with neoliberalism until the Euro collapses and several countries leave. Therefore, I’d rather take my chances outside.

Francis Lee
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Francis Lee

Hurrah! We’ve sent a gunboat to sort out those querolous natives. Hmmm, I take it that the British establishment is aware that we are no longer living in the 19th century? But given the abject stupidity of the British ruling establishment I could be wrong.

How does the historical record go.

1. The Battle of the Somme/Passchendale 1916/17
2. Policy of Appeasement 1938
3. Fall of Singapore 1941
4. The American loan 1945/6 the end of the Sterling area and the UK as a great power
5. Colonial wars in Kenya, Cyprus, Palestine, Malaya all of which ended in retreat. Ireland ongoing.
6. The ongoing occupation of the UK by the US resulting in the vassalisation of the UK. This is called ‘The Special repationship.’

” … somehow, from 1920-1940, the British ruling class decayed, lost its ability, its daring, finally even its ruthlessness. Until a time came when stuffed shirts like Anthony Eden, or Lord Halifax could stand out as men of exceptional talent. As for Baldwin one could not even dignify him with the name of stuffed shirt. he was simply a hole in the air. The mishandling of England’s domestic problems during the 1920s was bad enough, but British foreign policy between 1930 and 1939 is one of the wonders of the world. Why? What had happened? What was it that at every decisive moment made every British statesman do precisely the wrong thing with so unerring and instinct.

The fact was that the UK ruling class had reached a state of advanced decay. But the British ruling class obviously could not admit to themselves that their usefullness was at an end. Had the done that they would have had to abdicate … Clearly there was only one escape for them – into stupidity.”

(George Orwell – The Lion and the Unicorn – In Collected Essays – Volume 2 – 1940-43)

Dear Readers I give you Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt – prize specemins.

Gezzah Potts
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Brilliant Francis. Hmmm, with Hunt and Johnson vying for the title of Vassal State Cheif Bootlicker, as well as being just plain cringeworthy, in a way I’m glad am way down here in the Southern Hemisphere. Have you thought of moving to Orkney?

eagle eye
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eagle eye

C’mon Gezz. exponential descent into stupidity is hardly the exclusive domain of British upper class twats.

Personally I think it has more to do with the baked in nature of party politics. The need to slavishly adhere to the party line repels those who can think for themselves and a lack of such people in any organisation leads to a crisis in leadership.

I hold up any number of state and federal governments in Oz as examples.

Gezzah Potts
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Okay, you’re right eagle eye, the bumbling cringeworthy level of stupidity is not just in the UK. Its everywhere. And yeah, I fully concur about state & federal politics in Oz. Which is another reason I no longer watch or read mainstream media here. Upset my stomach too much….

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Q:- what’s blackened, blue, white and rubbery,
and flew over the Atlantic @160 mph ?

A: Lord Louis’ plimsol … 😉

mark
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mark

The policies of the 1930s just reflected hard realities.
By the end of the 1920s, half of all the tax revenue collected in the UK was eaten up paying the INTEREST on the (largely US) debts run up to fight WW1.
WW1 was a death blow to the declining British Empire, which had always had the character of a gigantic bluff, with an army the size of Belgium or Bulgaria.
It was bound to disintegrate when faced with a serious challenger. The events of the 1930s just reflected that weakness.
WW2 was the final nail in the coffin.
By June 1940, Britain was actually bankrupt. Churchill went cap in hand to Roosevelt for $5 billion (1940s money) of weapons, oil, food, raw materials. Roosevelt had him over a barrel, and drove a very hard bargain.
The US demanded that all British assets in North and South America, that had been built up over a century, had to be sold off to US investors at fire sale prices, within 2 weeks. The Du Pont chemicals conglomerate, for example, was sold off at a 50% discount.
British manufacturers were not allowed to export to any markets where they competed with US products, a surrender of markets on a vast scale.
The US took direct control of the British economy. The US dictated the gold and foreign currency reserves Britain was allowed to hold.
There was much else besides. Britain was reduced to a US satellite, a status it was held ever since. Britain became, and has remained, even more of a US satellite than East Germany ever was of the USSR. ( This is no hyperbole – the GDR occasionally asserted its independence and defied Moscow.)
Lend Lease was only finally paid off on 31/12/2006.
Since 1940, the UK has never been more than a glorified Puerto Rico. That is the hard reality.
Churchill invented all this “Special Relationship” BS as a form of self delusion or denial of this humiliating reality.

William HBonney
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This is no hyperbole – the GDR occasionally asserted its independence and defied Moscow.)

Don’t post bollocks. If the GDR ever defied Moscow it was in the spirit of obsequiousness, similar to Carrie Lam’s present day attempt to impress Beijing.

mark
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mark

The GDR was more genuinely independent of the USSR than the UK of the US (though admittedly that is setting a very low bar.) It frequently pursued policies that were opposed by the Kremlin in pursuit of its own interests. A prime example is the decision to build the Berlin Wall in 1961. This was strongly opposed by Moscow, but they went ahead and did it anyway. There were other examples, where Wandlitz tried to make socialism work as well as it was capable of working.

That’s not a case of singing the praises of the GDR, though they did the best they could under the prevailing circumstances. It just highlights the debased and degraded status of Washington’s UK satraps.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

BBB – PTSD projection.transference.strawman.distractions.
BillyBoyBollocks – pure gaslighting

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

Anyone else notice the headline change on the Groan?
They are now talking about British ‘linked’ tankers.
Article link still not changed
‘british-tanker-iran-capture-fears-stena-impero-uk-ship-latest’

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

Changed again
‘iran-on-dangerous-path-with-seizure-of-stena-impero-says-uk’

Talk of rowing back! Tankers aren’t easy to row.

Even the gung-ho Tuggenhat is claiming there should be no retaliation.

‘the British government advised UK ships to stay out of the area “for an interim period”’

I mean wtf? What are they supposed to do stop, turn around? Take a long way around?

Also does it mean British registered? British owned? British flagged? Vaguely British? Does it apply to naval craft?

Whichever turds that got us involved in pirating that tanker in Gibraltar ought to be removed from their posts for incompetence or worse!
That is anyone from May and the Chiefs down, including the civil servants and back benchers, the defence committee and the field commanders who would know they were in the wrong.

A shut down of traffic through the Strait would spike the spot prices, which would trigget all sorts of financial instruments, cdf’s and the like, which would trigger a meltdown like 2008…all within minutes.

Playing with fire rather than negotiating an end to the never ending pressure on Iran.
It is a no-win scenario for us.

Molloy
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Molloy

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The stupidity is deliberate. Elites profit from confusion and antagonism.

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mark
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mark

Just seizing one ship has closed the Straits to UK/ US shipping in one afternoon.
For the past 12 months, Iran’s nuts have been squeezed by US economic strangulation.
Iran is now squeezing the nuts of the UK and EU.

William HBonney
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If you are so eager to impress Iran, why not live there?

I know why, you wouldn’t be as useful an idiot there.

mark
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mark

Why not live there?
Hadn’t thought of that.
Nice cats. Nice carpets too.

Ken Kenn
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Ken Kenn

Yes – they are bit coy in their descriptions of the movements of the two ‘ British ‘ ships.
( one under a British flag and one under a Liberian flag ) and they talk of transponders being turned off and alarming changes in direction of these ships.

A bit 9/11 ish vis: the transponders.

I’m not expert but if you turn them off no-one knows where you are I think so not surprisingly the Iranians had a look.

Trump says the US has no ships in the Straits except warships so not so much oil carriers than missile carriers.

Trump needs a war with Iran like he needs a change of hairstyle.

Imagine him in a ginger curly wig then imagine his prospects if all this goes wrong pre next years election.

It doesn’t sit well with his promise to his people that the US wasn’t going to get involved in this type of thing in the future.

Just as an addition – have any new steelworks been built yet and has a brick been laid to build ‘ a ‘ wall?

The steelworks idea I like – the wall idea I don’t.

Should we build a wall around Trump/Pompeo and Bolton?

I know a 2 and 1 gang of brickies who are short of work.

They are very good at building circular brick walls.

I await the call.

pàul metcalf
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pàul metcalf

Thanks Judy,but didn’t i read somewhere that the Grace 1 was too large for any of the Syrian ports?

William HBonney
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Citation needed

mathias alexand
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mathias alexand

Surely a citation is needed to sat which permits the siezure of the Grace 1.

JudyJ
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JudyJ

Mathias

Indeed. I wrote to my MP two weeks ago asking for him to obtain for me from the Foreign Office details of the legal basis for the seizure. No acknowledgement received, and I am still waiting for the information. Silence speaks volumes.

JudyJ
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JudyJ

That may well be but the key point about the seizure of the Grace 1 is that the UK/EU has no jurisdiction over Iran’s trade in oil, whichever country they may be delivering it to.

Loverat
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Loverat

I think it’s time for Corbyn to openly distance himself from the crimes of the British. Saying the seizure is unacceptable does not help. By now he should have condemned the aggression in the middle east and spoken for the right of states to defend themselves and trade between each other. Corbyn doesn’t seem to know what is really going on or is still appeasing a British government pushing for yet more war. The Iranians have every right to respond to piracy. It’s the only way to stand up to bullies. Restraint can only be effective up to a point.

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

I’m sure ‘Corbyn’ – you obviously mean the Labour leadership?- is fully cogniscient via official and independent sources; as he is equally bound by the rules of the Privy Council (a turgid system that exists at the behest of the Crown – a bunch of Aristos and the various high priest of UK governance – we really do not have a democratic parliamentry government here)

To come out against the ‘Crown’ probably means something akin to volunteering to be taken to the Tower and feeding your eyeballs to the ravens!

Only time the Opposition can do anything effective is if there is a parliamentry debate and vote. Until then it would be just a lot of pressure groups and ineffective marches, like the pointless stop Brexit one today.

The only way to stop Brexit, to change the policy on Iran, Russia, USA etc is by having parliamentry power to do so.

And the only way to get that parliamentry power is … a general election or a soft coup like the tories are doing now or what the NuLabInc PLooPers and nazgul lords are attempting.

A General Election is what everyone wanting change should be demanding and manifestos that we can hold the winner to.

Molloy
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Molloy

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Yes. But. (….remember.) The System is Still Rigged.

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mark
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mark

Be careful what you wish for. Anything could happen when the next election comes – in weeks, or months at most. Tory and Labour meltdowns, Farage forming a government – not that fanciful.

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

I’m always happy to get a chance to have a vote. Especially to decide who governs. Especially in a minority government.
I’d live with the result.
Whether i liked it or not.
I will get a chance to vote at the next election.
That’s democracy

Seamus Padraig
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Seamus Padraig

Corbyn’s too weak to do any such thing.

Basher
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Basher

FFS. Not everything is Corbyn’s fault. But it may seen that way to corporate press readers. Really unhelpful comment.

mark
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mark

Restraint is just taken for weakness in Washington/ London/ Brussels/ Tel Aviv.

UreKismet
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UreKismet

While there is some chance that the 5th rate english politicians might lose the plot during their interminable gabfests over “what to do?” this weekend, somehow I suspect that Trump’s latest international advisor Rupert Murdoch speaking through fox news talking head Tucker Carlson will go for the war option rather than some mutually face-saving, quietly negotiated agreement with Iran.

Dingbat a l’orange has but one major concern right now, winning re-election in 2020 and it seems to me that now control of fox news has been taken from the late but unlamented Roger Ailes, Murdoch is using the network in a dual carrot/stick ploy to have the trump deliver what Murdoch and his syndicate of greedies demand.

The link above from the Tufts’ alumni fanzine, foreignpolicy.com, tells us that Bolton has been pushed so far to the outer at Murdoch’s insistence, that his task for the month of July is to sort out a storm in a teacup contretemps between Japan & South Korea.
I have no clue what that means long term for the zionist influence over Mr Orange’s administration as Murdoch has a lot of his most sensitive and secret enterprises based in occupied Palestine, one can only suppose that the quants have gone head down arse up and calculated that right now, war is less profitable than some preferred alternative.
So Trump will be about finding a way to force the Hunt and Johnson morons to concur. Trouble is that the particularly silly englanders who currently control in england may still imagine plagiarizing from the Thatcher model when she cemented her hold on power by making a fuss over a mob of shitty south atlantic rocks.
Both are sufficiently stupid to believe the nonsense about rallying around the flag and forgetting exactly how divided brits are right now regarding the union.

We shall see, but right now the most likely cry around DC is gonna be “Rand who?” while Paul junior secretly makes a deal with Iranian Foreign Minister MJ Zarif.

UreKismet
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UreKismet

right well that post is a mess the first para should read : While there is some chance that the 5th rate english politicians might lose the plot during their interminable gabfests over “what to do?” this weekend, somehow I suspect that Trump’s latest international advisor Rupert Murdoch speaking through fox news talking head Tucker Carlson won’t go for the war option, rather some mutually face-saving, quietly negotiated agreement with Iran.

message to self ‘proof before hitting post’.

Sorry bout that chief.

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

I think most regulars are able to spot typos and such round here 🙂

I gently reject your assertion that

‘Thatcher model when she cemented her hold on power by making a fuss over a mob of
shitty south atlantic rocks.’

It wasn’t enough by itself to get her second term.

It was the mark one of Blairism, the SDP gang of 4, Atlantist, ‘neo’ con/lib , deep cover moles that were used to split the Labour vote, that ‘cemented’ Thatcher and the NWO that we have suffered under for 40 years since.

They were ALL well rewarded by Thatcher and their neocon bosses for starting the snatching back the gains of the war sacrifices by the population.

Never forget that the splitters from the post war social democratic consensus did that.

They even had the gall to call themselves the SDP !

Well, sdp2,3…whatever the latest iteration of the Funny Tingers is, ain’t fooling anyone THIS time.

UreKismet
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UreKismet

Fair enough you make a valid point, but neither C**t nor nor Blondie ever scratch beneath the surface, the first because he cannot, the second because he cannot be arsed.
Does it really matter if a thing is correct when a sleazy vote seducing pol acts upon it? The immediate outcome is the same. Sure, it creates room for historians to argue the toss about 50 years after the issue has become irrelevant but afaik, it doesn’t do a lot else.

Maybe it proffers some ammo for those pushing back using boring stuff like logic and/or the facts (Shock horror), but right now in this instant, most humans do not appear to be reacting to either.

IMO stopping this push to self destruction is gonna require more direct intercession – -not that anything other than me acknowledging such would be useful here.

I realise it may just come with the turf (becoming ancient) but the ninnies with the keys to all of it right now, do seem to be the most moronic in known history.

milosevic
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milosevic

C**t

what’s the point of engaging in misogynist slurs, if you feel that you have to obfuscate them? that’s your better judgement reminding you that you ought to refrain completely.

Mikalina
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Mikalina

The next generation will get it right as 8 year olds are now taught in ‘Relationship’ lessons to label all male and female genitalia.

Oh, that Jeremy Hunt – what a vagina!

mark
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Carlson has been one of the few relatively sane voices in the US media.