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The EU’s other Periphery

Frank Lee

We’ll start with the 10 per capita poorest countries in the whole of Europe. In rank order:

  1. Moldova – GDP US$2560
  2. Ukraine – GDP US$3560
  3. Kosovo – GDP US$3990
  4. Albania – US$4450
  5. Bosnia and Herzegovina – GDP US$4769
  6. Republic of Macedonia – GDP US$5150
  7. Serbia – GDP US$5820
  8. Montenegro – GDP US$7320
  9. Bulgaria – GDP US$7620
  10. Romania – GDP US$9420

Average per capita income in Europe as a whole is US$37,317 (2018 figures).

What is noticeable is that most of these states are situated in either the Balkans or South-Eastern Europe. But that is not the end of the story.

Portugal, the poorest country in western Europe with GDP standing at US$238billion, is just pipped by the Czech Republic (now Czechia which is actually in the centre of Europe) as the star performer of the East whose national income stands at US$ 240,105.million.

Thus, in terms of per capita income the Czech Republic is the sole representative of the ex-Soviet states in Europe. This geopolitical and economic cleavage could hardly be starker. These two Euro-zones replicate the division of North and South between the US/Canada and central and Latin America.

Much of the attention to European development – or the lack of it – has been preoccupied with the gap between the West and South of Europe. This present schism is attributable to tried, tested, and failed economic strategies promulgated by the various institutions of globalization: the IMF, WB, WTO and so forth.

The single currency, the euro, became legal tender on 1 January 1999 and was adopted by most of the countries in the Euro area. But this proved to be the undoing of the political economy of the South.

When different sovereign states are responsible for their own economic policies and are able to print and issue their own currencies on world markets, any distortions and maladjustments which occur in trade balances is alleviated by changes in exchange rate values – in short, devaluation. This will hopefully restore such imbalances and return to a trade equilibrium.

However, this policy is, now, no longer available to the Southern European states since they no longer have their own currencies and, in addition, are under the tutelage the European Central Bank (ECB). The Southern periphery are now are using the same currency as the Northern European bloc, the euro, and required by the ECB to take on a one-size fits all monetary policy.

Devaluations are therefore ruled out.

Given the higher productivity levels and lower costs of Germany, Holland, Sweden, France and so forth, the Southern peripheral states have begun to run chronic balance of payments deficits. The only avenue left open to them is what is termed ‘internal devaluation’ – i.e., austerity.

This results in low growth, high unemployment, high migration, depopulation, cuts in public spending and the rest of the IMF’s Structural Adjustment Policies – policies which have failed just about everywhere. So much for the southern periphery.

Focus on Eastern Europe sheds light on a different set of problems. Most Eastern European countries, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland kept their own currencies; apart that is from basket cases like Latvia whose government, unlike the people, went where angels feared to tread – into the Eurozone and the euro.

(N.B. Some Western European countries, e.g., the UK, Denmark, Switzerland and Norway did – wisely – keep their own currencies.)

Excluding Russia, of course, these Eastern European states – termed ‘transitional economies’ – have become stalled in economic stagnation which so far has been difficult if not impossible to overcome. These obstacles have been specific to the Eastern periphery.

The European Union now consists of 28 states. No fewer than 10 of these are former states of the Eastern Bloc, and this proportion is set to grow with the impending accession with some minor Balkan nations. Although Georgia and Ukraine are in line for membership of the EU, they are also expected to join NATO as has become customary for aspirant EU states.

Whether they obtain either is a matter of conjecture, however, as this would be almost certain to cross Russia’s red lines and result in a major geopolitical flareup. Europe’s centre of gravity is shifting. And while the process of joining the European Union is driving change within these countries, it is also changing the nature of Europe itself.

Where’s my Porsche?

Those Eastern European states which emerged from the break-up of the Soviet Union had been led to believe that a bright new world of West European living standards, enhanced pay levels, high rates of social mobility and consumption were on offer.

Unfortunately, they were sold an illusion: the result of the transition so far seems to have been the creation of a low-wage hinterland, a border economy on the fringes of the highly developed European core; a Euro version of NAFTA and the maquiladora, i.e., low tech, low wage, low skills production units on the Mexican side of the US’s southern borders.

This has had wider political and social ramifications for the entire European project. The Brave New World envisaged did not have any basic guiding principles or planning other than the usual neoliberal prescriptions of privatisation-deregulation-liberalisation, the well-thumbed policy triad of the neoliberal playbook.

Central to this policy implementation was a controversial prescription called ‘shock-therapy’. The fact that this policy had already been tried in Russia and failed spectacularly, didn’t seem to worry the PTB. Such is always the case with religious beliefs.

The doctrine itself had become popular among the ingenues and opportunists of the old ‘workers states’. Shock-therapy was designed to wipe-away all the old fuddy-duddy notions about state interventionism, welfarism, social and national protection; measures included the sudden removal of subsidies, fire sales of state assets (privatisation), and the abrupt removal of the controls and subsidies that had formerly applied to wages and prices.

But the neoliberal militants insisted upon a policy of ‘freeing up’ the markets which, according to them, would maximise growth and development. Predictably of course, these policies also opened these countries to maximum – and often predatory – western penetration and influence.

The shock was timed to occur before the establishment of financial markets within the region and, in the absence of investment capital, restructuring efforts became focused on labour – on reducing the unit cost of labour in order to become “competitive”. It should be understood that in neo-liberal, supply-side, economics the road to wealth and prosperity entailed policies that actually make their populations poorer. There seems to be a slightly Orwellian flavour here. ‘Poverty is Wealth.’

The wave of mass unemployment that this generated in the early 1990s goes well beyond the experiences of British recessions of the 1980s, with unemployment in some regions reaching 80 per cent. Shock therapy deliberately engineered a slump in the economies of the region, by shattering the region’s economic links, and then creating a massive domestic recession.

Shock-Therapy – All Shock no Therapy

Regardless, the show must go on. The neoliberal religion taken up in many of these states, often by former members of the Communist nomenklatura, which resulted in high levels of structural unemployment were actually meant to do that, at least in the short-term. Painful as it was bound to be, this was the necessary shakeout of an inefficient and cosseted workforce and therefore the absolute precondition which would catapult these formerly backward economies into lean and mean competitors on Europe’s markets and the prelude of an entry into the developed economies on the Western European and US model. Yeah, right.

In the real-world Michael Hudson[1] analysed just how this process panned out in Latvia.

Like other post-Soviet economies, Latvians wanted to achieve the prosperity they saw in Western Europe. If Latvia had followed the policies that built up the industrial nations, the state would have taxed wealth and income progressively to invest in public infrastructure.

Instead, Latvia’s Baltic miracle assumed largely predatory forms of rent-seeking and insider privatisation. Accepting the US and Swedish advice to accept the world’s most lopsided set of neoliberal tax and financial policies. Latvia levied the heaviest taxes on labour. Employers had to pay a 25% tax on wages plus a 24% of social service tax, whilst wage-earners pay another 11% tax. These three taxes making up to a 60% flat tax before personal deductions.

Additionally, in order to make labour high-cost and uncompetitive, consumers must pay a high value-added sales tax of 21% (raised sharply from 7%) after the 2008 blowout. No Western economy taxes wages and consumption at that level.

Latvia’s heavy taxation of labour finds its counterpart in a mere 10% on dividends, interest and other returns to wealth and the lowest property tax rate of any other economy. Thus, Latvian fiscal policy retarded growth and employment whilst concurrently subsidising a real estate bubble that is the chief feature of Latvia’s “Baltic Miracle”.

Now Latvia was to open up its economy to foreign capital inflows – hot money – from foreign bank affiliates, mainly Scandinavian, whose chief interest was to finance the property boom. Of course, these cash inflows needed to be serviced and in doing so became a financial tax on the nation’s labour and industry. Other sources in overseas monies came in the form of privatisation of Latvia’s public sector stock. Sweden became a major source of these rent-seeking inflows.

Yet with all of this money flowing into Latvia absolutely no effort was made to restructure industry and agriculture to generate foreign exchange to import capital and consumer goods not produced at home. Having lost export potentialities during the COMECON period the existing production linkages were uprooted, industrial plants were dismantled for their land value scrapped or transformed into real estate gentrification.

The Baltic miracle had been nothing more than a property debt-bubble financed by foreign capital inflows. When the flows reversed the extent of debt deflation, deindustrialisation and depopulation (see below) became apparent.

The Austerity programme … Latvia was suffering was the world’s steepest one-year plunge in house prices which had peaked in 2007. Despite having emerged debt-free in 1991, Latvia had become Europe’s most debt-strapped country, without using some of its borrowed credit to modernize its industry or agriculture.[2]”

What was true of Latvia was also generally the case in the rest of Eastern Europe’ Thus by 2008 it had become apparent that the post-Soviet economies had not really grown as much as they had been financialized and indebted.

Forbes economist Adomanis calculated in 2014 that convergence of these economies with those of the West…

…continues at its 2008-13 pace (about 0.37% per annum) it would take the new EU members over 100 years to match up to the core countries average level of income …to the extent that Central Europe’s most rapid and sustained burst of convergence coincided with a credit bubble that is highly unlikely to be repeated, it seems more likely than not that the regions convergence will be slower in the future than it was in the past.”[3]

Buddy can you spare a euro

With the decimation of indigenous industry, the role of financialization and debt became crucial, as the new capitalist economies required a financial services industry that could support the growing tendencies towards property speculation and asset manipulation.

Different vulnerabilities arose from the actions of different institutions, but the overall effect was to create state dependency upon foreign direct investment (FDI), and support from the World Bank, IMF and the specially created European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD).

The general financialization of the region led to huge increases in debt, both personal and institutional. Western banks in a number of smaller states, most notably Austria and Sweden, sought to boost their profits through increasing their market share in the Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) region, by aggressive lending to households.

Drawing on the general expectation of CEE countries’ membership of the EU to borrow on the wholesale money markets and taking advantage of financial deregulation and poor consumer protection standards in the region, they lent money denominated in Euros, Swiss Francs and Japanese Yen. This allowed them to offer consumers lower interest rates than those available for borrowing in domestic currencies. And this borrowing has driven eye-watering increases in levels of personal household debt – especially in Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and the Baltic States.

Another consequence of shock-therapy was the pressure that it would generate on the European Union to open up western European markets to the CEE countries. The model that peripheral states adopted – of being low-wage export-based economies – depended on access to EU markets.

However, in order to sell on EU markets, it is necessary to have something to export. But these states simply did not and do not have the industrial and/or financial capacity to compete with Western European states and are not likely to have in the foreseeable future. Being subordinated to a set of rules empowered by global institutions, the IMF, WB, WTO – neoliberalism – makes such development impossible.

Of course, there has been some Western investment in CEE but without wishing to be cynical – moi? Never! – not all of this investment has been for CEEs benefit, most of it was purely predatory.

For example, the US Transnational Conglomerate, General Electric, after sniffing out worthwhile opportunities for a quick buck decided upon buying a lighting company, Tungsram, in Hungary. They swiftly closed profitable product lines and were thus able to remove a source of domestic competition from the market.

Similarly, the Hungarian cement industry was bought by foreign owners, who then prevented their Hungarian affiliates from exporting; and an Austrian steel producer bought a major Hungarian steel plant only in order to close it down and capture its ex-Soviet market for the Austrian parent company. For a voracious appetite try Volkswagen.

VW acquired a controlling stake in SEAT in 1986, making it the first non-German marque of the company, and acquired control of Škoda (see below) in 1994, of Bentley, Lamborghini and Bugatti in 1998, Scania in 2008 and of Ducati, MAN and Porsche in 2012.

But VW’s cherry-picking didn’t stop there.

Case Study: VWs takeover of Skoda

Five months after the fall of Communism and before of any kind shock-therapy had been launched Citreon, GM, Renault, and Volvo were clamouring for Skoda. VW won the bid promising DM7.1 billion, promising to raise production to 450,000 cars per year by 2000. Engine parts were to be manufactured in Bohemia and a promise was made to use Czech suppliers. The Czech workforce was to be retained. The Czech government was favourably disposed to this sort of Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) and gave VW a protected position in the home market in addition to a two-year tax holiday writing off Skoda’s debts.

Things turned sour, however, when VW reneged on its debts and promises. The original investment of Deutschmark(DM)7.1 billion was reduced to DM3.8 billion, there would be no Czech engine plant, and no commitment to produce 405,000 cars by year 2000. The labour force would be cut to 15,000 followed by more redundancies, and VW would increasingly to German parts suppliers rather than Czech subsidiaries, bringing in 15 such firms to replace their Czech competitors.[4]

These are examples of the ways in which the “peripheral economy” status of the CEE region was imposed. An exploitative relationship between East and West. The Skoda experience of the negative outcome from opening up of the leading sectors of a target’s country’s (the Czech Republic) production apparatus into the global strategy of a Western TNC is not unique and is a common feature of FDI flows.

After only a couple of years of “shock-therapy”, much of the core industrial infrastructure of the peripheral states had fallen into the hands of multinational companies – from chains of shops, to power generating plant and steelworks. Two political/social phenomena resulted from the asset-stripping (whoops, I mean productive investment).

Political

Since the advent of the shock therapy, it would have been expected that East European voters would have voted en masse for parties of the left for the usual reasons. Namely to mitigate the worst social and economic effects of the capitalist transition.

But these parties themselves had become Blairised, i.e., heavily committed to the pseudo-reformist ‘third-way’ along with the orthodoxies of neoliberal economics, as this was seen as part of their commitment to European accession. Into the ideological vacuum and emerging across the region came populist and right-wing movements, in Poland and Hungary in particular as well the semi-fascist Baltics where they have always had a presence.

These groups have attempted to harness people’s discontent. Political forces that flourished in the time of the Austro-Hungarian empire have re-emerged – such as anti-Semitic “Christian socialism” and patriotic “national liberalism”. and perhaps more important came mass migration and depopulation in the whole area…

Depopulation

Depopulation of Eastern Europe is connected not only with the outflow of labour resources: after 1989, the era of wild capitalism began in the former “socialist countries”, accompanied by the collapse of social and medical systems, a sharp increase in mortality, especially among men, with a simultaneous fall in the birth rate…”

The French newspaper Le Monde diplomatique wrote about the unprecedented demographic catastrophe that hit the countries of Eastern Europe after the collapse of the communist system in its June issue.

The process began in late 1989, immediately after the fall of the Berlin Wall. There followed a massive exodus of the population from East Germany, Poland, and Hungary to the countries of Western Europe in search of higher earnings, which continues to this day, covering practically all former countries of the socialist camp.

As a result of the new “resettlement of peoples”, the human losses of Eastern Europe were much greater than those of both world wars. Over the past 30 years, Romania lost 14% of the population, Moldova – 16.9%, Ukraine – 18%, Bosnia – 19.9%, Bulgaria and Lithuania – 20.8%, Latvia – 25.3% of the population. Depopulation also affected the parts of Germany (the former DDR), which in the literal sense of the word were emptied.

A kind of exception was made by the Czech Republic, where it was possible to preserve the main “gains of socialism” in the form of social support for the population, a free medical system, assistance.

Depopulation of Eastern Europe is connected not only to the outflow of labour resources: after 1989, the era of wild capitalism began in the former “socialist countries”, accompanied by the collapse of social and medical systems, a sharp increase in mortality, especially among men, with a simultaneous fall in the birth rate.

However, the main blow to demography caused the outcome of the population, especially the youngest, active, qualified group. In the historical homeland remained children, pensioners and persons incapable of actively seeking work abroad. And this despite the fact that for 40 post-war years in the countries of Eastern Europe there was a slow but steady growth of the population.

According to the UN, all ten of the world’s most “endangered” countries are in Eastern Europe: Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Hungary, the Baltic republics and the former Yugoslavia, as well as Moldova and Ukraine. According to the forecasts of demographers, by 2050 the population of these countries will decrease by another 15-23%.

This means, in particular, that the population of Bulgaria will drop from 7 to 5 million people, Latvia – from 2 to 1.5 million. According to experts of the Wittgenstein International Demographic Centre in Vienna, “it is unprecedented for peacetime depopulation.”

Among the main reasons called the killer combination of three factors – low birth rate, high mortality and mass emigration. But if in the countries of Western Europe, the fall in the birth rate is compensated by the new migration waves, the countries of Eastern Europe categorically refuse to accept the “fresh blood” in the person of migrants, and this issue has acquired an extraordinary political poignancy.

At the height of the migration crisis of 2015, Slovakia and the Czech Republic took 16 and 12 refugees respectively, Hungary and Poland did not accept anyone.

Meanwhile, Eastern Europe continues to lose its “golden cadres” – the best specialists and young people. In Hungary alone, since joining the EU in 2004, 5,000 doctors have left the country, mostly under the age of 40. There is a shortage of technicians and mechanics who also left for Austria, Germany and other countries of Western Europe.

This is perfectly understandable since in Hungary they receive 500 euros a month for heavy manual work, and in Austria for the same work – 1 thousand euros per week.

In other countries, the outflow of specialists of medium qualification is felt even more: hundreds of thousands of nurses, carpenters, locksmiths and skilled workers moved from Poland, Romania, Serbia, and Slovakia to the West. In Romania, the outcome of the population is called a “national catastrophe”. The population of this country declined for the post-communist period from 23 to 20 million people.

The transfer of labour from the East was not only spontaneous but also systematically predatory. Numerous German and British firms of “head-hunters” in large numbers began to entice Eastern specialists immediately after the accession of Eastern European countries to the EU. As the German Die Welt writes, qualification, youth and money flow from Eastern European countries, while the old people and children remain deeply disappointed in “freedom” and “democracy.”

Since the early 1990s, Bosnia lost 150 thousand people, Serbia – about half a million. However, the most significant outflow was observed in Lithuania: over 300,000 people out of 3 million left the country.

But the most tragic consequences of the “post-communist breakdown” have been experienced by Ukraine – once one of the most developed republics of the USSR. If in the early 1990s there were 52 million people in the republic, now the population does not exceed 42 million. According to the forecasts of the Kiev Institute of Demography, by 2050 the population of the republic will be 32 million.

This means that Ukraine is the fastest dying state in Europe, and possibly, in the world. According to Ukrainian sources, the country was abandoned by 8 million people (experts believe that number is from 2 to 4 million people – ed.), who went to work in the countries of the European Union and neighbouring Russia. According to recent polls, 35% of Ukrainians declared their readiness to emigrate. The process accelerated after Ukraine received a visa-free regime with the EU: about 100,000 people leave the country every month

It was in Ukraine in the most extreme form three factors coincided: a fall in the birth rate, an increase in mortality (the death rate was twice the birth rate) and mass emigration of the population. Compare the corresponding dynamics in France and Ukraine. If before 1989 the growth rates of the population in these two countries were comparable, then in the subsequent period the population of France increased by 9 million people, and Ukraine lost the same number of people.

Experts believe that the demographic crisis in Eastern Europe cannot continue indefinitely. The systems of social support and healthcare cannot physically work in conditions when the majority of the population is pensioners and children, at some point, inevitably there will be a collapse of statehood.

But you should not flatter yourself about Western Europe, where the birth rate is also extremely low. While the developed part of the continent temporarily benefited from human resources from Eastern Europe, a much more rapid influx of migrants from the Middle East and Africa will inevitably change the sociocultural image of Western European countries, where religious and ethnic conflicts already arise.

If the fertility rate for native French women is 1.6 children per woman, then for adults from the countries of the Middle East and Africa this figure is 3.4 children or more. Today’s kindergartens in France are already three-quarters composed of representatives of ethnic minorities, and in the future, great socio-cultural changes await the country. This has already been written in his best-selling Soumission by the French writer Michelle Houellebecq.

Is there a solution? Is it possible to stimulate the birth rate mechanism among Europeans? Demographers believe that this is impossible either in Western or Eastern Europe. In the west of the continent, the consumption standard is so high that the appearance of a new child will automatically mean a decrease in the standard of living. In Eastern Europe, another mechanism operates: poverty, lack of prospects and the breakdown of family relations make the birth of children undesirable. Meanwhile, the proportion of Europeans in the world’s total population is decreasing. If in 1900 Europe accounted for 25% of the world’s inhabitants, now it is about 10% [5]

Conclusions

As with other earlier examples of catch-up modernization the development policies, Eastern Europe presents a textbook example of the development of under-development.

The general liberal theory of gradual evolution was penned by W.W.Rostow, an American economist, professor and political theorist who served as Special Assistant for National Security Affairs to US President Lyndon B. Johnson from 1966 to 1969.

His theory of 5 Stages of Growth held that all societies progress through similar stages of development, and that today’s underdeveloped areas are thus in a similar situation to that of today’s developed areas at some time in the past, and that therefore the task in helping the underdeveloped areas out of poverty is to accelerate them along this supposed common path of development, by various means such as investment, technology transfers, and closer integration into the world market.

This view, however, was a source of a major counter-critique. Dependency theory (see Immanuel Wallerstein, Andre Gunder-Frank, Samir Amin and Paul Baran) is essentially a body of social science theories predicated on the notion that resources flow from a “periphery” of poor and underdeveloped states to a “core” of wealthy states, enriching the latter at the expense of the former.

It is a central contention of dependency theory that poor states are impoverished, and rich ones enriched by the way poor states are integrated into the “world system”. Dependency theorists, argued that underdeveloped countries are not merely primitive versions of developed countries, but have unique features and structures of their own; and, importantly, are in the situation of being the weaker members in a world market economy, whereas the developed nations were never in an analogous position; they never had to exist in relation to a bloc of more powerful countries than themselves.

In opposition to free-market economists (vide supra) the dependency school argued that underdeveloped countries needed to reduce their connectedness with the world market so that they could pursue a path more in keeping with their own needs, less dictated by external pressures.

About right.

Peripheral and semi-peripheral states being integrated into the world system are ‘ruled’ if that is the right word, by comprador elites who are part of a cosmopolitan overclass in a global financialised world system. Capital leakages and flight from periphery to core – a common feature of the world system, as are raw material and other energy products from the ‘developing’ world. Eastern Europe and its elites fit entirely into this comprador category supplying raw materials, labour and tourism as well as East to West capital flows/flight.

As we have seen the notion that FDI brings about growth and development is the wrong way around. No developed economy got that way by opening up its economy to competition and inward (invariably predatory) investment from more highly developed countries and economies. Policies of State-capitalist mercantilism and nation-building have always been the road to development. The UK being the first, followed in short order by the United States and Germany, in the 19th century, and in the 20th century by a number of East Asian states in historical order, Japan, South Korea and China, and a number of others.

In the case of Russia, this state has a semi-peripheral global position, in both political and economic terms. Too big and to small in economic terms with a small GDP, although very low debt-to-GDP ratio (15%). It is both semi-sovereign and semi-peripheral and a somewhat less than submerged struggle is going on between the Eurasian sovereigntists and the Atlantic integrationists with Putin balanced between the two factions.

[Russia] is not exactly classical peripheral capitalism but rather a semi-periphery.

Its phenomenon is characterised, on the one hand, by its dependency on the core, but on the other hand by its ability to challenge the domination of the latter in some particular areas. This semi-dependent position of Russia is conditioned by its shift to capitalism, whilst its semi-independent position is due to the Soviet legacy.

In particular, this legacy found its manifestation in a significant nuclear arsenal still comparable with that of the United States. If it had not existed, Russia would have been subjugated to Western interests a long time ago, just as Ukraine was.” [6]

Russia and the world’s future are yet to be played out.

As for Eastern Europe, it would not be stretching credulity too far to say that it has been had, falling straight into the trap of under-development where it will probably remain for the foreseeable future.

NOTES:-

  • [1] Michael Hudson – Killing the Host – The Financial Conquest of Latvia, Chapter 20.
  • [2]Ibid – page 289
  • [3]Ibid, footnote, 308 Forbes January 24, 2014.
  • [4]Peter Gowan – Global Gamble – Washington’s Faustian Bid for World Domination – 1999 – p.225
  • [5]Dmitriy Dobrov – Novinite Insider 5 July 2018 – A Bulgarian publication.
  • [6]Ruslan Dzarasov – Ukraine, Russia and Contemporary Imperialism – Semi-Peripheral Russia and the Ukraine Crisis – p.87

Frank Lee left school at age 15 without any qualifications, but gained degrees from both New College Oxford and the London School of Economics (it's a long story). He spent many years as a lecturer in politics and economics, and in the Civil Service, before retirement. He lives in Sutton with his wife and little dog.

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Frank Lee left school at age 15 without any qualifications, but gained degrees from both New College Oxford and the London School of Economics (it's a long story). He spent many years as a lecturer in politics and economics, and in the Civil Service, before retirement. He lives in Sutton with his wife and little dog.

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Martin Usher
Martin Usher

Czechoslovakia was always a developed, industrial, state that had more in common with Germany than its neighbors to the East. It was an important center of armament production both before and during WW2 but got ‘lost’ to us in the West post WW2 by being the other side of the Iron Curtain. In recent years the break up into two nations made sense because you end up with this relatively western and prosperous bit that’s similar to its (ex-Eastern) German neighbor and a relatively Balkan and poor bit.

Expanding the EU into the East was done purely for political greed, the need to move the boundary of the Russian sphere of influence as near to, and hopefully inside, Russia itself. It unbalanced what was originally a Common Market, a customs union, and has become a permanent millstone around the more prosperous western European nations’ necks (and, indirectly, a catalyst for Brexit — neoliberals impoverishing their populations to fund overseas adventurism while providing a limitless source of cheap labor). A more sensible approach would have seen the EU assisting in the development of this bloc, getting it to Western European standards, and then absorbing it into the EU if it was mutually acceptable. But then NATO would have felt left out…..got to keep that Cold War churning……

Spyros Marcheto
Spyros Marcheto

An excellent article, we republished it at UndebtedWorld.

https://undebtedworld.wixsite.com/undebtedworld/post/frank-lee-the-eu-s-other-periphery

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Good to hear that Spyros, thanks for the initiative.

Corruption is the Destruction of Culture.

(it is also a ‘Terrorist Act’, when amplified by senior politicians wittingly, e.g. in the EU)

And it was fascinating listening to Imran Khan addressing Donald Trump, with regard to
precisely this devastating disease, that has wholly undermined political & societal growth consistently for far too many decades: and we have the tools today to eradicate this corruption of minds & souls, if we were to alter the way we programme and the jurisdiction of same. It is of no use to any society or this world as a whole in future, to perpetuate lies, deceit & corruption, in order to propagate the wishes of a few elites corrupted with a mindset of control by any means, which presently includes Corporate Computerised
Fascism & Collusion for Dictatorship by the very people who have corrupted cultures,
consistently throughout history.

It has been the elites goal to corrupt our minds with distraction to amplify divisions, so that
their methods may continue unchecked & unabated: Therefore I repeat …

Corruption is the Destruction of Culture !

Debt is Bondage.

Warm regards,
Tim

Peter
Peter

[“If the fertility rate for native French women is 1.6 children per woman, then for adults from the countries of the Middle East and Africa this figure is 3.4 children or more. Today’s kindergartens in France are already three-quarters composed of representatives of ethnic minorities, and in the future, great socio-cultural changes await the country.”]

So what you are saying is that by the time the current kindergarten generation start to breed. The majority of Europeans will be 2nd or 3rd generation migrants with little or no leaning to European culture of the previous centuries.

[“Is there a solution? Is it possible to stimulate the birth rate mechanism among Europeans? Demographers believe that this is impossible either in Western or Eastern Europe. In the west of the continent, the consumption standard is so high that the appearance of a new child will automatically mean a decrease in the standard of living.”]

Yet the above does not appear to deter Migrants [be they 1st, 2nd or indeed 3rd generation from breeding? We are constantly being told that the cost of pensioner health care and pensions are unaffordable? Yet money can be found [or printed,] to pay for child benefits, education and health care?

[“Meanwhile, the proportion of Europeans in the world’s total population is decreasing. If in 1900 Europe accounted for 25% of the world’s inhabitants, now it is about 10%”]

I am currently reading a book called “Sapiens”, A Brief History of Humankind. By Yuval Noah Harari.

He talks about the Homo Sapiens moving from Africa, to Europe amongst other destinations. Resulting in the ending of the Homo Neanderthal’s. who had lived in Europe for millennia surviving ice ages etc. But did not survive the invasion of the African migration? Was this the first Genocide? If we are to believe the above statistic That in 1900 Europe accounted for 25% of the worlds inhabitants, now it is just 10%. Are we about to see another Genocide?

Kathy
Kathy

What seems to me to be omitted from the article is that there are other things that define a country other then its GDP wealth, money and economics Maybe it is time now that most people in the West have become enslaved by dept and distracted by meaningless baubles is to focus on the human condition. It is not just the ability of a countries population to covert Porches etc or the ability to buy them that should be used to define them. A healthy country is not just a matter of measuring its poverty. For one reason poverty can be defined in more then one way for example if a population has little money but food aplenty and homes and land should that population be considered worse off then those living in a rich country but whose poor have no access to homes land or food. It is also a sense of place, belonging and hope that give health to a population. In some ways although monetarily poor most Bulgarians, Romanians and other Eastern European countries have far more real human wealth then a lot of Western rich countries for example over 85percent of the population own housing. The system in Bulgaria for example marks out plots in each settlement depending on population growth and from this the housing and land available enables the majority a self sufficiency that most in the richer West can only dream of attaining by winning the lottery. From my personal experiences of visiting family in Bulgaria. Villagers look out for each other in a way that has since my childhood been lost here in the UK. Altruism and consideration towards each other and time to care. These are the things that define humanity. There is a strong feel for local traditions and a level of cooperation and friendly exclusivity that is a reminder of all that we have lost here and all that is important to retain if we value real worth. May be we should start to redefine what we use to assess a countries place in the world.Beyond its GDP which in reality should mean little if richness is counted elsewhere.

Kathy
Kathy

Apologies for bad punctuation etc above. In a bit of a hurry!.
I also intended to add. Both sides of the political divide and the centrist politicians and a lot of political philosophers seem to suffer from an ivory tower syndrome and preach doctrine down from their pedestals. It is however at ground level that their master plans play out and the truth resides. It is how things are and how people live within the narrative created for them. This is why it often seems to the ivory tower dwellers to be a good idea in theory and to work for their own ends. May be we really do need to seriously look at self governance. For it is at ground level where the people dwell and where the laws of unforeseen consequence plays out that the people adapt and bend and the people manage in spite of the state and not because of it. On another point I think we maybe need to get past this whole division thing and see people as flesh and blood. All with the same hopes and fears and needs for home hearth and love and acceptance.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Excellent observations, Kathy: it really helps to see things more clearly when one gets out & about, observing core values & family loyalty to one another, primarily, not loyalty to regime change in foreign climes, orchestrated from Ivory Towers in the interests of ego …

Corruption is the Destruction of Culture and the Destruction of Culture is now legally speaking ‘A Terrorist Act’ @UNESCO, thanks primarily to the Bulgarian Irina Bokova,
who managed to deliver this essential change, whilst reducing the annual costs of UNESCO,
coming in finally well under budget.

It should come as no surprise to you that Bokova was wholly undermined by the political PTB, (including dirty corrupted Bulgarians aligned with May & Merkel), to prevent her becoming the first ever woman Secretary General of the U.N. >>>
corruption the destruction 😉

Al.
Al.

“Thus, in terms of per capita income the Czech Republic is the sole representative of the ex-Soviet states in Europe”
FFS…please do tell by what definition/standards/etc was Czechoslovakia a soviet state ? Member of Warsaw Pact; sure, in soviet sphere of influence; by all means but SOVIET???
Do your homework or ask someone with good history knowledge for proofreading if you intend to look serious…….

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Welcome to OffG and some of it’s utterly deluded writers…actually Marxist Revisionists.

Fortunately, unlike, FL, some writers are occasionally excellent, that’s why some of us are still hanging on here.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

When were you last in Eastern Europe Frank, seriously ?

I’ve been here since 2004. Naturally, I have no idea what sort of anachronistic derivative forms of failed capitalist economic values you were taught & by whom, how long ago: but I acquired excellent practical working front end experience of how financial markets truly function, on the job for the CEO of B.P. directly: nightshifts preparing his breakfast diet of daily info. i.e. his ‘Brief’ …
since then, it has been declared:-

” CAPITALISM HAS FAILED ” Christine Lagarde 27/5/2014

What bit of those 3 little words did you not understand ? Seriously ! ?
Socialism for the Rich is history: over, finished, forever: no more ‘wonga’, government debt clocks are ticking off the wall & any economist worth his salt, will confirm this to you, and Nobel Prize Economist Stiglitz, confirmed what I’m telling you, back in 2008.

Have you ever read Richard A. Werner ? You really should, because then you might begin to understand that what you and many others were taught in economics for the last 100 years was a load of completely unscientific mathematical bollocks ! and could you please come an collect our latest statue in Plovdiv BG. this year, of Woodrow fuckin’ Wilson and whilst yer’ at it, the poverty stricken nation did not need the statue of John fuckin’ McCain in Sofia last year, either, so, can you make sure that you have space for both in your garden or at the bottom of the Atlantic , ‘Isch’ mir Scheiss Egal’ , because some of us are searching viable solutions and we don’t need non-Europeans’ wholly proven, psycho or sociopathic False Idolatry to absurd monumental morons & economic mathematical incompetence, with predatory designs based on utter financial bullshit. !

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1057521915001477

Honestly speaking I knew, what Stiglitz was saying in 2008, back in the year 2000: when the Dotcom bubble hit & the collapse of the second largest US Corporation Enron occurred and when finally WTC7 was blown up by a “Fire” & Larry said “Pull it”, it containing the SEC investigation into Enron, Monsanto & GEC, all was clear: especially coz’ the day before that Rumsfeld announced the D.o.D.’s missing $TRILLIONS$ and where was that information and what happened to that investigation … ? Huh ! ? What do you mean you don’t fuckin’ know ? The sidekick Psychic BBC announced it all 30 minutes in advance of WTC 7 collapsing. Are you feeling alright, seriously Frank ?

How much longer do you propose to live in full denial of economic history in LaLaLand, in a state of cognitive dissonance ?

Check the link above and then listen to the corruption & chaos in Congress accountancy procedures today and all their computer thefts & data losses, thanks to the Dems. & Reps, in the link below, way beyond a joke and most certainly a contributory factor in the death of Seth Rich and the appalling case Julian Assange >>> wake up, friend, huge turds are already airborne and incoming, no matter which side of the pond you are, the faecal matter is just about to collide with the rotating oscillator and you best take cover & a duck … Quackers M8, do the math, just for once …

Next you’ll be trying to convince me that GCHQ , the Italian S.S. and the Ukrainian S.S. were not interfering in & spying on Trump during & after the 2016 elections for the Deep state, even subsequently attempting Treason USA , coz it was the fuckin’ Russians again , eh ? !

You’ve lost a lot of plots frankly and you are apparently playing bigtime catchup …
bigly, Frank – Facts! Way outta’ touch …

Capitalism has failed, start with that

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

I think you are confusing me with someone who I’m not! I despise neoliberalism and it’s proponents. I equally despise the ultra left neo-Bolsheviks.
As far as the EU is concerned, it’s very complicated and it’s not a simple right versus left issue.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Thanks for the clarifications, Frank, seriously: I had a rainy afternoon too and was a bit bored and thought to respond to your seemingly glib comments, at first politely and then the ‘rant’ for fun & deliberate provocation, that furnished us all with a more honest response from you.

I left the UK for good in 1990, ostensibly due to Thatcher’s failure to roll out Fibre Optic cable & enable broadband for futures bright nationwide, when she had the crown jewels in her hands, she merely enabled the square mile. I have worked in every EU country except Norway, Sweden & Finland (where relatives live).

The EU is Neoliberalism Softpornorama pure and wholly undemocratic to boot and they wittingly deal daily with the criminals of old, like Delyan Peevski or Todor Zhivkov Bodyguard PM Boyko Boris, still today, in positions of power, not just in BG: if in doubt, check the Czech/Bulgaria CEZ electricity privatisation scandal, that should have had interpol all over both nations: but the EU and their pathetic corrupted police, including German police, just let things slide according to the USUK & Israels foreign Agenda of computerised Corporate Fascist Control of all media & mindsets, whence the expression from Vexarb >>> NATZO…

I’m sure you are well aware that we needed an economy in Eastern Europe, before a new military and if the EU had focussed on not provoking legitimate official Russian Security concerns, things would look mighty different economically, by now: instead, we still sanction Russia and tell total lies about what happened in the Ukraine and these lies have been widely disseminated by the MSM. As you doubt my perspective, riddle me this: Bulgaria has a pipeline connection just offshore already constructed by Gazprom, to circumvent the Ukraine and BG. agreed to this, then cancelled the project, then agreed again & then cancelled the agreement AGAIN ! and now surprise surprise, the German NATZO puppet mother of 7 kids, Ursula Van der Leyen, (now that the Northstream pipeline is completed to German shorelines, almost finished, ready to rock & import Gas), she changes German Energy policy, again …

I can’t begin to describe what it is like to work with EU ‘Consultants & NGOs’ at this moment, suffice to say, it’s a hacked racket and every step is wholly infiltrated, including the theft of I.P. and this has happened to me personally TWICE, once @EUproject level and once by an NGO and many many others, have had the same experience ! well over 900 plus pages of heavy work & representations to Government, all wasted: they just took the project to Cluster sound business concepts and build Circular Economics for societal development, translated it all into Bulgarian and then back into English in bite sized pieces to present to the EU, in other people’s names!

Lol, One of the Dutch consultants even donates to the Clinton Foundation and is friends with them, retailing us with tales of BBQ’s &&& mega BS and boasts of this publicly and encourages others to sign up 🙂
So, you’ll excuse my skepticism about the EU elites hopefully now, finally, coz’ they are wholly corrupted inside their minds and by foreign forces, that dictate the agenda for everything-everything from Military Purchases to Energy supply to Foreign Affairs, you name it, I’ve searched the connectivity upwards, because i was left idle & sidelined… nothing else to do until we deal with the most major problem which is propagated & groomed by Western Corporations…
Think Robert Maxwell !

Corruption is the Destruction of Culture, which is why all our kids were seduced by the Pied Piper of Economic BS, because the Piper’s Corrupted Tune with subliminal messaging is less obvious to kids, at first ! Have you read the Richard Werner analysis that I linked ?

Riddle me this: President Ruman Radev was highly recommended & extremely capable in Command Strategy, according to CIA & NATO assessments in 2009 (search Wikileaks 4copy). Radev retired as top General of the BG. Airforce and entered the ‘race’ for President. He still is licensed to Fly Mig 29s and tested the Gripen Fighter, then advising the Government to buy Gripens not F-16s, for highly credible technical reasons, including time in the Air & R.O.I. and if anybody should know what was best for the nation’s sovereign security, he must !

So- why is BG. now buying old inefficient F-16 low-tech. BS, when the still professional pilot & ex-Airforce General & now President of the nation, with NATZO’s highest qualification in Command Strategy, says Buy Gripen !!! ?
Not rocket science, from corrupted politicians ! Just one tiny example of all the things i’ve noticed, living here permanently since 2005.
Let’s get to the root of the corruption, sincerely together, please Frank.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

By the way, to answer your first point, I’ve been visiting the former communist countries since 1974 and have a lot of family living there, who are mostly hard working class not privileged.

I’m personally working on leaving Broken Britain for ever. I know the region very well and am under no false illusions about life there, thank you very much.

The Thinker
The Thinker

Interesting read thanks. The link below is to a document/report commissioned by the Tri Lateral Commission in 1975, about the Governability of Democracies in the UK, Europe, the US and Japan and is entitled The Crisis of Democracy. It’s worth a read to see what they were talking about nearly 45 years ago and the similarities to the present Day.

Off topic: I stumbled across this document whilst reading about Jeffrey Epstein and his massive funding of neuro science and the fact that JE was on the board of the Tri Lateral Commission..

https://archive.org/stream/TheCrisisOfDemocracy-TrilateralCommission-1975/crisis_of_democracy_djvu.txt

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

It’s not off topic at all, if you follow the multiple nefarious criminal dealings in Technology, Money Laundering, Drugs & Sex-Trafficking with Media Moguls & their ‘cut’ , like Ghislaine Maxwell’s father, on behalf of the forces of Mossad with the forerunner of Prism (case Snowden) then called PROMIS & their bankers of Zion, which radiated Tech. Eastwards from Czechoslovakia, onto Bulgaria (Multigroup & Neva Network) & Hong Kong & Tokyo & NYC , logic … the web widens & the plot thickens ;), all according to the Globalist NWO planning from way back when… lambs to slaughter were clueless and lambs lay down on broadway 🙂

Thanks Thinker a thoughtful old link …

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2019/07/09/qanon-is-back-and-with-a-vengeance-newq-greatawakening-neonrevolt/

You won’t regret reading the excerpts from the book on Maxwell, which clarifies much …
just a sample:-

“Probably the most audacious illegal business project with which Maxwell involved himself was Bulgaria’s Neva network. The concept was simple: plunder Western technology through secret agents, produce the same technology in Eastern Bloc nations, particularly Bulgaria, then sell the goods to the Eastern markets. Maxwell set up the companies to carry out the work, then laundered the profits through his network of banks. At its inception, Maxwell did not envision that Neva would grow into one of the most powerful crime syndicates in the world, embracing the Russian mafia, the crime families of Bulgaria, as well as those in New York, Hong Kong and Japan. All the companies Maxwell formed eventually would come under one name—Multi-Group—which controlled a significant percentage of global profits from gas, telecommunications, oil, gambling, and money laundering.”

Delyan Peevski (ex-MEP for BG.) is the owner of Multi-Group, today, but it was established by Iliya Pavlov, who was killed by a sniper finally, (after an attempt with a bomb blast that destroyed his armour plated BMW, leaving a 7 metre hole in the road, failed coz’ he wasn’t in the car).

https://www.novinite.com/articles/112713/Who+Is+Who:+Murdered+Bulgarian+Tycoon+Iliya+Pavlov

Ex-model & wife, Darina Pavlova hangs out with Berlusconi in Italy today, whom she openly describes as a generous and a much slandered man …

I’ll get my coat,
greetings
Tim

The Thinker
The Thinker

Cheers Tim, as always, extra food for thought with the links provided.

Gerda Halvorsen
Gerda Halvorsen

I am a bit surprised to see that the islamophobe Michel Houellebecq has had a sex change according to your article…

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

“I am a bit surprised to see that the islamophobe Michel Houellebecq has had a sex change according to your article…”

No. Only an identity-political gender issues. Note the ‘his’:

This has already been written in his best-selling Soumission by the French writer Michelle Houellebecq.

Probably just a bit of incipient transvestism turned exculpatory. Wearing hijabs, that sort of thing. Nothing a few sessions of well conducted aversion therapy couldn’t clear up.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

I was bored this rainy afternoon, so I was intrigued to read your piece beyond your initial mistake that I mentioned earlier below. I have some observations and comments –

Into the ideological vacuum and emerging across the region came populist and right-wing movements, in Poland and Hungary in particular as well the semi-fascist Baltics where they have always had a presence.

Poland had a centre-left goverment longer than it’s had a centre-right government. Tusk is one of its creations.

The process began in late 1989, immediately after the fall of the Berlin Wall. There followed a massive exodus of the population from East Germany, Poland, and Hungary to the countries of Western Europe in search of higher earnings.

Incorrect, the exodus from Eastern Europe started 15 years later in 2004 once those countries had joined the EU and the UK and Ireland decided against the 10 year immigration moratorium unlike Germany and the others.

According to the UN, all ten of the world’s most “endangered” countries are in Eastern Europe: Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Hungary, the Baltic republics and the former Yugoslavia, as well as Moldova and Ukraine. According to the forecasts of demographers, by 2050 the population of these countries will decrease by another 15-23%.

Source?
Not true for at least Poland. Not only are its own people coming back from the UK due to Brexit, but also there is an influx of 2 million legal Ukrainian immigrants plus an estimated 2-3 million illegal Ukrainians.

At the height of the migration crisis of 2015, Slovakia and the Czech Republic took 16 and 12 refugees respectively, Hungary and Poland did not accept anyone.

Good for them. So you are proposing that these countries succumb to the anti-democratic, even illegal, over-running of Europe by alien cultures? We already put a stop to that at the gates of Vienna a few hundred years ago, we Europeans have long memories…because historically it’s proven that we get massacred if we forget such things.

In other countries, the outflow of specialists of medium qualification is felt even more: hundreds of thousands of nurses, carpenters, locksmiths and skilled workers moved from Poland, Romania, Serbia, and Slovakia to the West. In Romania, the outcome of the population is called a “national catastrophe”. The population of this country declined for the post-communist period from 23 to 20 million people.

That’s not a huge decrease in two decades, not least the country remains governed by corrupt officials post-Caucescu et al. The Romanian people rightly choose to live elsewhere, the EU allows them that freedom. Yes, freedom, a concept not understood by central planning Marxists, and worse.

3/10
Must do a lot better Master Lee.

lundiel
lundiel

Tusk is a through and through neoliberal, Thatcher devotee and hero of UK remainers. He, and the Civic Platform party is described as “centre-right, liberal-conservative, Christian democrat” by the msm.

George
George

The old “central planning Marxists” jibe. Where are these evil “Marxists”? The only central planning I know is the central planning of the West whose entire legal system is set up to support capitalism. Russia is no longer even nominally communist. And China fits nicely into the globalised capitalist world.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

George, the 21st century is certainly confusing you.

George
George

Not at all Frank. YOU are confusing me.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

That’s because i don’t fit into the political stereotypes of left and right.

UreKismet
UreKismet

Sorry about the grammar – dangling parti-things etc, but Sunday morning is late Sunday night pour moi.

UreKismet
UreKismet

Apologies for the rudest crash but contempora whatever. . . .. its Sunday where too many made the error I did & ended up on the Observer site, so needs to ask themselves why it is that in all the fuss about Hongkong, given the sleazy old observer has failed to mention that Dr Evil personified, aka the Hongkong coppers, are still commanded by the english bill?

Read this article and learn one of the ways they fill our heads with nonsense.

Yarkob
Yarkob

‘ in addition, are under the tutelage the European Central Bank (ECB). ’

tutelage, or vassalage?

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Obviously the latter was the programme, Logic: but just you wait, until Christine Lagarde begins her term(s) at the ECB: then we shall see the grip tightened and the bondage will become fully masochistic …

Jihadi Colin

I have absolutely no sympathy for Europe, Europeans, the European Union, or the fruits of the capitalist system they so covet. All of them can go to the devil together and welcome. However, the article makes two significant omissions:

First, the assumption that European decline will continue at a foreseeable rate, whether at current speeds or different but predictable velocities. This is wrong because of the following factors:

1. The effects of global warming and massive resource depletion, including water depletion. This will make the tropics almost to totally uninhabitable within the next few decades. What will happen to the people there? I’ll tell you: massive civil wars and mass migrations northwards (since migration southwards is mostly blocked by the seas). And those mass migrations will be very heavily armed and ready to fight, not a handful of desperate refugees in leaky old fishing boats. The so-called “advanced” states of the EU will have no options other than to either let them in (and by that I mean hundreds of millions) or go to genocidal war against them. I fully expect the latter, including mass murder of climate refugee civilians. Even if the genocide totally destroys the migrations and migrants, the so called advanced states of the EU will have to pay for the conflict and to clean up afterwards. This is not going to be free and nobody else will pay for it.

2. The high standards of living the so-called advanced states of the EU is predicated on two things: neocolonial loot of the resources of the so called “third world” and neoliberal exploitation of its manufacturing capacity and cheap labour. In other words, we non whites do the job of helots, hewers of wood and drawers of water, to keep the so-called advanced states of the EU in the style to which they have grown accustomed. Without resources and with climate collapse there won’t be anyone to loot and enslave. I don’t see Brutish children crawl down mineshafts and work in textile mills once more like the 19th century, do you? What then, total automation of production? What with? Where will the steel and oil come from, the wood and grain, the rare earths that our masters need for the electronic devices with which they run their vaunted New Economy that rules us all? Where will be the consumers to buy their products? What will they do when markets they have none?

3. The effects of global warming and resource depletion won’t stay isolated to us poor benighted lesser breeds without the law. The so-called advanced states of the EU are also already being hit by them; the situation will only get worse.

Second, the assumption that there will not be a major war between Russia and the Imperialist States of Amerikastan’s vassals on the European continent. I believe the chances for avoiding such a war are approximately zero and shrinking, since the so-called advanced states of the EU seem unable to act as independent countries and not colonies of Wall Street and the Pentagon. Even if this war, when it happens, does not go nuclear (fat chance, since Russia’s extreme military plight, with NATO half an hour’s drive from St Petersburg, means nuclear weapons are its first line of defence), the effects on the EU will be dire to catastrophic.

What’s the solution? Obviously, for EU states to assert their own sovereignty and break away while they still can, leave both this murderous imperialist criminal enterprise and its associated murderous imperialist criminal enterprise NATO. However, it’s interesting to see that not one of the EU countries of East Europe, for all their whining about migrants and depopulation, have made the slightest attempt to EUxit. One wonders why not. Is it because their economies have been so disembowelled by the EU, assigned to the roles of producers of low cost labour and agricultural products, that they can no longer survive on their own as independent countries? In that case they have only themselves to blame, and whatever their fate, they have more than earned it.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

In which country do you live? Are you proud of its past? Are you profiting from its past or have you forgiven your countryfolk for the errors of their ancestors?
Which county is your ideal? How close is it to Nirvana?

Jihadi Colin

I’m Indian. European looters enslaved and destroyed us for 200 years. Don’t expect anything but Schadenfreude for Europe from me.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Yes, what the British did to pillage India was wrong, but they left you with infrastruture and governance and a lot more, without which India would be no better than much of Africa.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

On a roll, are you, Frank. The silver lining of rainy day boredom?

George
George

Frank must be so annoyed at the miserable weather stopping him from going out and killing something. No doubt – those central planning Marxists are behind the rain!

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

You are accusing me of having murderous intentions? Thanks. My lawyer will be contacting OffG for your details.

George
George

I rest my case.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Me too, and sorry that i don’t fit into your blinkered stereotypical view of the world.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

I’m loving it, thank you Robo.
I despise right wing nutters over at Breitbart and elsewhere, but here you Marxists really make me chortle, you are so out of touch with reality, so much so that you even believe the lunar landings were faked.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Unfortunately for you, Frank, it is you that is clearly well outta’ Touch:
and your mental models of the world today and road map for where we are headed is therefore about as much use as finding a passport in perfect condition, from one of the terrorists allegedly flying one of the aircraft into the World Trade Centre complex on the 11th September 2001 …

I hope you enjoyed my ‘rant’ above, at least in as much as it gave you cause & a pause for thoughts further afield from ole’ school kiddies’ accusations of communism & fascism … economically.

Presently, you appear to be living in a box of poor quality material & corrupted designs: Corruption is the Destruction of Culture.

Think about it,
Regards,
Tim

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

What does 911 have to do with it? The official narrative is full of holes to say the least. Sorry that i don’t fit into your blinkered stereotypical view of the world.

Jen
Jen

I’m sure Jihadi Colin is on his hands and knees in gratitude at being patronisingly and sanctimoniously reminded by Frank Speaker that the British gave India infrastructure and governance and a lot more, whatever he means by that.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Jen, it’s a fact that India was left with significant new infrastructure. That’s not a political opinion, it’s reality, however tough it is for revisionists to accept.

Jen
Jen

Whatever Britain left to India in 1947, at the time of independence, in the way of infrastructure – and this includes the reliable and consistent production, management and delivery of energy and water, safety (coping with natural disasters such as flooding, famine, starvation; having adequate food supplies in case of harvest failure), public education, health services, financial services that support public needs (as opposed to foreign elite needs) – it clearly was very little.

In the early 1940s, the regions of Bengal and Orissa experienced a mostly man-made famine that killed 2 -3 million. This was the last of a series of major famines resulting in mass deaths, beginning in the late 18th century, more or less coinciding with British control of the subcontinent and its merciless taxation of the population regardless of the arrival of the monsoon (or not) and the resultant success (or not) of harvests, and only ending when an independent India itself was able to use stored food supplies (which previously had to be yielded to the British Raj) to feed famine victims in the 1960s and early 1970s.

I suppose you still expect Jihadi Colin to genuflect before your presumed superior knowledge, which as everyone else in this Off-G comments thread knows, is merely empty words on a repeating Möbius-strip loop.

mark
mark

Ah, but it was all done for your own good for the best of motives. And I’m sure that you’re really grateful to have been part of the Great British Empire, like the rest of the benighted natives. And of course, Bombing Brown People is good for them. All the kids in Yemen really love being bombed with star spangled democracy bombs. So much nicer than those nasty Russian anti-hospital bombs.

mathias alexand
mathias alexand

You seem to assume that the EU would win a war against all those armed and desperate migrants but that’s not a forgon conclusion. Would the EU fight the migrants and the Russians at the same time?
You underestimate Russia’s conventional and nuclear capability which has improved vastly since Yeltsin’s day.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Question: is the Roma population, now concentrated in Bulgaria & Romania, your secret weapon for a cultural Jihad, Colin ?
🙂

Francis Lee
Francis Lee

It seems that economics is difficult for some. It would be a good idea to check out the following websites for accurate information.

Countryeconomics.com

Trading Economics

Pocket World in Figures – The Economist.

GDP per capita is GDP divided by population. Poland comes in slightly above US$1500.00 per head not US$560.015. It is per capita that counts not the absolute figure. China has the second largest economy in the world – in absolute terms US$11.222 billion but given the size of China’s population a per capita fire of US$8000.00. In terms of purchasing power parity (PP) per capita income rises slightly in most countries but the gap remains the same. Per capita income PPP is calculated by its value against the dollar. China’s is (US$ 100) is 26.2. France is 73.1, a few countries e.g. are higher 120 or Switzerland 103.

I hope this clarifies the issue.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee

Sorry that is US$15000.00 not US$1500.00 per capita for Poland 2018. You’ve got me at it now!

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Yep, even you are struggling with economics Francis. Also credibility in relation to this article, ignoring Poland with a population of 40 million which is 4 times the size of Czechia, and also East Germany.

You should try spending some time in Poland and you’ll see how they have been utterly transformed since the fall of the USSR, and you will not meet many who will complain about their economic situation today compared to how life was for the average person under the Soviet system. Unless you were also actually there in the decades before Soviet system you might not appreciate the massive change.

And no, I am not a supporter of neoliberalism, but I am a supporter of what the EU has done to help transform the lives of former Soviet countries and helped those people who can actually be bothered to go out and work rather than sitting on their arses all day long complaining about their situation.

mark
mark

Yep, Rumania, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania should be really grateful for all the EU has done for them. They’re such a paradise now that their whole populations have voted with their feet and turned up over here.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Don’t you believe in choice? Why shouldn’t a Bulgarian or Latvian have the feeedom to decide if they wish to live and work BG if they are both part of the EU?

Ah, I know why you are upset, the Communist Party Five Year Plan and quotas don’t allow it, right?

mark
mark

At least people had a job and a roof over their heads then.
Now they have the “freedom” to whore themselves out as prostitutes all over the world.
Great improvement.
“Freedom” is such a wonderful thing.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

We all had roofs over our heads when we lived in caves and mud huts. Your point is what Mark?

mathias alexand
mathias alexand

Its a good thing that they have the choice to live abroad but its a bad thing that they don’t have choice to live at home because they can’t get a job there because of the neo-liberal policies.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Let me try again, the promised editor in OffG is not delivered….

Don’t you believe in choice? Why shouldn’t a Bulgarian or Latvian have the feeedom to decide if they wish to live and work in GB rather than in BG if they are both part of the EU?

Ah, I know why you are upset, the Communist Party Five Year Plan and quotas don’t allow it, right?

mark
mark

A Rumanian friend of mine used to live near Dracula’s castle.
He watched as all the assets of the country were seized and taken over by the IMF.
The final straw was when the IMF seized Dracula’s Castle as well.
After that he gave up and got a job in an Italian restaurant in the UK.

He had the same “freedom” to live and work abroad as the Irish did during the Potato Famine.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

And I guess he’s earning much more in the UK than Romania, and is also blessed with our multi-cultural diversity 😉

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

“…the promised editor in OffG is not delivered….”

To me it looks like it is in the process of being delivered, BICBW.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Tell me about it, mark, our kids have had little choice: and of course, we are so damn grateful here in Bulgaria that our kids are living thousands of miles away, earning pathetic wages, as wholly exploited & cheap labour, under often illegal contracts & conditions, in places like the UK, Denmark &&& making profits for the landed gentry & farmers, who cannot find UK (or Danish) citizens to work under such pathetic conditions and if you add a dose of ‘Roundup down the DNA chain’, I think we both know what to expect, in the best interests of NATZO and their corporate computerised fascist collusion for Dictatorship in the best interests of >>>

Zion & APARTHEID

Ben Trovata
Ben Trovata

Poor people shouldn’t be allowed to sit,a baton pushed into their ribs,followed by mouth noises of Calvinist horse-shit,is recommended by our betters! Of course,there’s still not a scrap of work for them,even after all this virtue signaling is over!And the streets remain dirty,and…

Francis Lee
Francis Lee

Yes, Poland is so utterly transformed that now the second language in the UK is Polish. Couldn’t get out fast enough could they! Not that I blame them. Who would like to live in a rigidly catholic authoritarian state.

BTW we know you are a troll. All trolls have a craving for attention, but really haven’t anything to say. As a member of the species you exhibit all the hallmarks: You can’t put forward a sustained, logical and dispassionate argument, and you think your own brand of soooo, piquant. It isn’t. It’s crude and distateful. BTW you never did explain the difference between GDP, and GDP per capita, GNP, and purchasing power parity PPP

mark
mark

The last China per capita was $9,749. Some of the figures given here are dubious.

BigB
BigB

Frank’s version of Wallerstein’s “World Systems Theory”(WST) should perhaps be updated in the light of ongoing geopolitical and geoeconomic developments?

There are now two axis of globalisation (and two globalisations: markedly differing in character – but both allegiant to the former Bretton Woods ‘global governance’ architecture (WTO/IMF/WB/UN/WEF/BIS)). The traditional Core axis is London/NY (Zurich/Tokyo – the ‘Trilateral’ globalisation 3.0). Or more expansively: City of London/BoE-NY (Wall St)/Fed. This is where neoliberal globalisation started from the ’60s onward – going global with the Reagan/Thatcher ‘Big Bang’ in ’86 (which prompltly crashed in ’87).

The semi-peripheral axis (vying for Core – or parity with the Core) is Russia/China. Russia/China actually have a bigger slice of the pie – in terms of landmass and population – now the have amalgamated the ‘supercontinent’ under the EAEU/BRI/CPEC/SCO. This more or less conforms to Mackinder’s ‘World Island’. In theory this peripheralises the London/NY/Tokyo/(Canberra) Trilateral axis as ‘Littoral’. But, by dint of the offshore euromarkets (primarily the dollar; euro; and yen), they still control global trade and take their tributary rent-seeking share off the top.

This peripheralises or excludes the rest of the world. Which is mainly a source of resources and cheap labour for the rest.

The ongoing developments are the NATO/EU ‘Defence Union’ form of Atlantic Integration – with expansionist designs on Libya, the G5 Sahel …and through the Western Balkans into Eurasia (for instance: see the ‘EEAS’ – the EU’s own website – for details of CDSP and PESCO acronyms). But Eurasia has already been integrated by Russia/China as mentioned – into the ‘Eurasian Information Infrastructure’ of the Eurasian Sovereigntist integration.

So pretty much the whole world has been globalised under two forms of neoliberalism. To be clear: ‘globalisation’ and ‘neoliberalism’ are in fact synonymous. You cannot have a ‘sovereigntist’ globalisation. Deeper research into the political theory behind Eurasianism would reveal that it is “neither national or international” …but toward a “global civil society”. Sound familiar?

Two major scenarios present themselves here. Either: the Atlantic Integration of NATO/EU and the Eurasian Integration of the SCO – come into open conflict in the ‘new scramble for Africa’ or South America OR …they integrate. Which no one has their eyes on.

Here’s an alternative future globalisation plan. A lowly arseling country ‘elects’ a new PM with 100,000 voters; we ‘leave’ the EU to become an ‘independent’ hub; one which makes ‘free trade’ deals with the North-North axis (NY/EU) and the South/South axis (Eurasia; BRICS=>BRICS+=>BRICS++) and Boris is your fathers cousin …looks like we got us an NWO!

If this comes to pass – and the intention is already adverted in our new PM’s maiden speeches – you read it here first. But it is not my vision: I’ve just been following the think-tanks. I first read this plan on the Goldman Sachs website in 2001. My God, some people are psychic – and Lord Jim O’Neil is one of them. He saw all this happening. If I’m not very much mistaken – he is part of the team ‘advising’ Boris. Who has been handed the WEF globalist crib sheet and told – “read from this”.

And if I am psychic too: expect a re-alignment East from Boris. That is where globalisation is focused now – in Eurasia …the EU’s other perihery.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee

”So pretty much the whole world has been globalised under two forms of neoliberalism. ” True enough. It has been said with some certainty that globalization is neo-liberalism writ large. It was always Putin’s position that he was never against a global system of liberalized trade, but simply objected to Russia’s subordinate position in the new world order. The same goes for China.

Simon Hodges

BigB

Globalism is Neoliberalism. That is something that needs to repeated and stressed over and over again. We can also say that globalism is Neoliberal/Neoconservative Imperialism taken to global extremes which was always the plan.

The old progressive Nazis of the 1930s and 40s only had their sights set on a supranational entity of Europe, but the new breed of Neoliberal progressive Nazis have their sights set on control of the whole world, all of humanity and even as climate change pressure is brought to bear: all of nature itself which will have to be managed by globally networked markets and corporations in order to supposedly keep growth based Neoliberal capitalism sustainable. The arrogance and scientific hubris behind all of this is stunning. The Neoliberal financialization of nature will just lead to the Great Ecological Crisis or GEC1 just as surely as Neoliberalism led to the Great Financial Crisis or GFC1 with GFC2 coming shortly.

Against this backdrop, we are all sleepwalking into a global network of technocratic Neoliberal totalitarian ‘states’ administered by Governments and technocrats in league with all the big corporations in every field and either all the political parties including the Greens are ‘party’ to this or they are just too stupid to realise the totalitarian direction we are heading in. All of the parties including the greens, are looking forward to fully embracing the fourth industrial revolution by which we mean 5G and the IoT along with a massive expansion in carbon capture and storage technology which will involve extensive scientifically progressive use of Bioengineering and Geoengineering projects largely based on GMO and weather control. You can be assured that there simply will be no alternative as to fail to adopt such things will be presented as leading to environmental or economic crisis should one fall behind in the race to totalitarianism in order to save both Neoliberal capitalism and the planet.

Anyone who objects to this dystopian Orwellian future will be dismissed as nostalgic Luddites or techophobes. Democracy, freedom of speech and movement, civil liberties, sovereignty (both at national and personal levels): all of these ideas and more will be critiqued as quaint and outdated notions and we all must inevitably yield to the rule of progressive technology (as under the classic spin of Neoliberalism there will be no alternative as anything else always involves the loss of hundreds of £billions and millions of jobs should we fail to embrace and be grateful for our own totalitarian surveillance futures). Resistance to Globalist, imperialist Neoliberal totalitarianism is utterly futile and the future being carefully engineered for us at the hardware and software level is inescapable. We will be told time and time again until we tire of resisting. All resistance will be briefly noted and dismissed time and time again. Once anti 5G vigilantes take to the streets to smash up the totalitarian infrastructure as it is put into place then any such democratic liberals who object to Neoliberal totalitarianism will be re-classified as ‘domestic extremists’ and we will see the same civil unrest and stand-offs that we see with the yellow vests in France.

Brexit is an irrelevant side-show in all of this. What sense does it make to supposedly regain one’s independence and sovereignty merely to immediately yield to a totalitarian Neoliberal globalism that is utterly devoid of any proper morals or ethics? The tyranny of the EU is institutionalized within a discernible framework, the tyranny of Neoliberal corporate globalism remains hidden and shrouded in mystery but collectively they are all part of the same multi-polar globalist problem working their ways to the same collective totalitarian conclusions.

There is something seriously wrong with Neoliberalism, when a complete nutter such as Elon Musk is allowed to privately launch 12,000 5G mmWave satellites into space to irradiate the whole planet from above without any kind of risk assessment, public consultation or global planning consent. He might just as well have declared war on the whole of humanity, but that’s globalist technocratic progress for you folks.

Meanwhile our children are oblivious to all of this and are either squandering their resistance fighting virtual battles in fantasy computer games or are SJWs policing the use of pronouns as if that were going to change anything.

To borrow an idea from Kierkegaard, The Neoliberal sickness unto death is despair and I’m feeling it big time.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Well said.

BigB
BigB

I can only echo Frank Speaker: well said. I could add a couple of points: the Greens were the architects of the ‘Green New Deal.UK’ regional variation …proposed by Caroline Lucas and Anne Pettifore about 8 years ago. Does this make them crypto-fascists? Not at all: but like you say – it makes them as politically naive as hell.

Dissent is thoughtcrime; and specifically ‘antisemitic’ …according to the diktats of the UK Labour Party (as of last Sunday). At the forefront of the wave of green neoliberal behavioural change and perception management, and consensus manufacture are ‘charity’ organisations such as MoveOn.org; Avaaz and Purpose. To point that there might be links to a certain gentleman is now specifically ‘antisemitic’ – according to Jeremy Corbyn himself. I shall be calling Soros ‘Voldemort’ from now on …’he whose name must not be spoken’.

This creeping language fascism will slowly expand so that we can only legally consent. That is freedom is determined toward the freedom to agree …not to disagree. To point out that is not freely determined – ie the political will is coercive and creative of its own communities of consent (‘societies of control’) is now deemed antisemitic.

This is in line with the broader neoliberal faculty of depoliticisation and de-sovereigntisatation. As noted: there was a big debate arbout sovereignty around the issue of Brexit. The whole debate rather missed the point that true sovereignty resides ‘offshore’ …in the imagined geography of the Trans-National Suprastate. Unfortunately, the political effects of a suprasovereignty over and above even the EU itself are not imaginary and real enough.

The world is ordered and structured by the hegemony of trans-national capital flows. Academic William I Robinson first proposed this updating of Wallerstein’s WST 20 years ago. Though it has not become part of the political psyche at all. To say that neoliberalism has created an elite caste of ‘shadow sovereigns’ …like Soros – but not limited to him – is also antisemitic. Can you see where this is going?

We already live under authoritarian – if not totalitarian – rule. Only, it is not a traditional fascism, but Sheldon Wolin’s ‘inverse totalitarianism’ …globally institutionally and constitutionally neoliberalised through the post-BW ‘global governance’ architecture – particularly the WTO; think-tanked internationally – for which the WEF is the hub; colonising nationally via the state and parastatal nexus of government; CSOs; NGOs; and the media-cultural assemblies of control. Which are expanding exponentially and technologically into ‘AI-Surveillance Neoliberalism’. Technocracy rising.

By criminalising – or attempting to criminalise by stigmatising – that there is any ‘shadow sovereign’ influence coercivelly reproducing its own consensus ‘hyperreality’ is about as fascist as it gets. We already live in a technological postmodern society: one we voted in and legitimated as ‘real’. One that will subsume the wrong shade of green as a progression toward the ‘for-free’ hyperconsumption of information will liberate consciousness. Or some other delusional science-fiction vision that will distract us from the proximity of collapse.

Inverse fascism to the West of me; what looks like a ‘neo-Volkisch’ green-humanitarian SDG-Agenda 2030 technocracy rising to the East of me …here I am close to the neoliberal epicentre (35 South of the City) no longer able to mention key parts of my research into the globalisation of greenwashed neoliberal fascism. Which is exactly what it is: the hegemony and self-protectionism of trans-national neoliberal capitalism and convergence of trans-national suprastate; superstate (the EU; the EAEU; etc); state; and parastate assemblies and mechanisms into a supracapitalist global entity.

One that could either rupture into war or form an uneasy multipolar alliance under the “enhanced efficiency” of the WTO – as VVP expressed at SPIEF earlier this year. It is not pure speculation that Bojo is the City’s bitch toward the latter agenda. May certainly was not. A reinvented ‘Northern Powerhouse’ is back on the agenda. Which, after BRIC, was another of Lord Jim’s big ideas. Is Sir Mark Sedwill Bojo’s Cabinet Secretary: or is Bojo Mark Sedwill’s Cabinet Secretary?

Answers on a postcard to: the Cabinet Secretary; the Head of the Civil Service; and the National Security Advisor …Sir Mark Sedwill.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Sheldon Wolin’s ‘inverse totalitarianism’

We are now more tightly monitored and controlled than even the Stasis or KGB could have ever wished for in their wildest dreams. And yet it’s our freedom-loving capitalists who have bestowed this upon us, not the Communists. Exactly the point that Wolin makes.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Sound comment BigB: permit me the correction of: “Which no one has their eyes on.”

“Which only corporate fascist dictatorship has had their eye on, for a very long time.”

Because this leads onto my next point: you formulate some wonderful words, very interesting concepts & (with conclusions remarkably similar to mine), a worldly wise economic history of societal developments, but you consistently neglect to mention the importance of the Hong Kong banking community & the Hong Kong & Shanghai Banking Corporation and their global influence daily for many many decades, (including narcotic dividends, but not exclusively!) 😉 , due to their advantage of having had the Hong Kong Dollar pegged to the US Dollar.

Even Robert Maxwell recognised the importance of involving Hong Kong in his incredible dirty dealings & schemes for his masters of Zion and it is worth remembering that in December 2018, HSBC just declared US$ 2.5 Trillion reserves and the very fact that HSBC was the only major bank that did not require “Socialism for the Rich” in 2008 is important to remember, & spoke volumes, when the US FED created an immediate $16.2 Trillion bucks in 5 working days, under an atmosphere of “Palpable Fear”, said Tim Geithner, to bail out all the major banks, globally …

“The traditional Core axis is London/NY (Zurich/Tokyo ‘Trilateral’ globalisation 3.0)” must include Hong Kong, as their currency is pegged to the US Dollar and this fact alone, has given the Chinese the foundation & springboard into extremely powerful financial realms, also for resources & Tech. developments, that transcend any national governance & sovereignty: and they managed it all in a far more discreet manner than the Zionist Corporate Intel. based infrastructure with computerised back doors of deceptions and without waging anywhere near the amount of physical Wars, other than economic …
unlike Zionist Bankers.

Hope you’ll excuse the corrections, obviously meant constructively.
warm regards,
Tim

N.B. the ‘lowly’ Chinese man & family on the street always was & still is never averse to securing themselves with some money invested in Gold, in some form or another: nor Chinese Corporations, thus the CIAZion/Facebook has now introduced their Libra crypto-currency … remember, I & ‘balkydj’ mentioned wayback to you the IMF/SDR/BDL ?

Way to go … ! ? There’s an almighty ‘scrap’ brewing in more than a few people’s minds …
And the biggest scrap of all is to control the programming & production of Automated & Artificial intelligence: Peter Thiel’s speciality, he who helped MZ’s Facebook startup.

Oh look, more protests in H.K. … 🙂 oh wait, & some thuggery & buggery, lol, all of which has very little to do with extraditions to China from Hong Kong, I assure you …
? ! Surely what we need is NGOs ! ? Tax Free Havens ! ? For NWO goals ! ?

mathias alexand
mathias alexand

“Since the advent of the shock therapy, it would have been expected that East European voters would have voted en masse for parties of the left for the usual reasons. Namely to mitigate the worst social and ecoSince the advent of the shock therapy, it would have been expected that East European voters would have voted en masse for parties of the left for the usual reasons. Namely to mitigate the worst social and economic effects of the capitalist transition.

But these parties themselves had become Blairised”

And how was the blairisation engineered?

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Most Eastern European voters have no wish to return to the corrupt and nasty left wing political systems that once entrapped and impoverished them for decades. They were quite happy with voting for the traditional Social Democrats and Christian Democrats of old, but both these havesince moved a long way to their respective extremes, and given a choice of these two extremes, most East Europeans appear to be choosing the right side rather than going back to Marxism and worse.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

7+ people have zero idea as to what people suffered under the Soviet system and fail to understand why the same people prefer what the system they have now.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

That, my friend, is positively the most ridiculously ignorant comment you’ve ever published here @OffG. Come on down to Bulgaria anytime and i’ll introduce you to different generations of people, all of whom regret the change, now they have the benefit of hindsight …

You clearly have zero experience of before & after…

And the societal costs of an historic culture LOST!
The Destruction of Culture is now a Terrorist Act,
thanks to the Bulgarian Irina Bokova @UNESCO, but, I fear she was too late
and anyway the zionists & dirty Bulgarians worked against her &
her promotion to Secretary General of the United Nations.
We know why, but do you ?

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Yes, you’ll always find ex-party members who are pissed off about their loss of privileges.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Are you European ?

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

That is just a glib, wholly unrealistic comment, that ignores my offer to,
“introduce you to different generations of people, all of whom regret the change, now they have the benefit of hindsight …”

Would you care to be serious, or would you prefer a good rant? lol
Sarcasm works very poorly online, FYI 😉

mark
mark

Wonga, readies, cash, with a bit of blackmail and subversion thrown into the mix. There’s never any shortage of 30 shekel whores. Toss them a few shekels and they’ll do a whole routine of tricks for you.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

“Portugal…is just pipped by the Czech Republic…as the star performer of the East whose national income stands at US$ 240,105.million. Thus, in terms of per capita income the Czech Republic is the sole representative of the ex-Soviet states in Europe.

I stopped reading at that point. FFS Mr Lee, are you going senile?

If only you’d even been arsed to at least double check with Wiki:

The economy of Poland is the sixth largest economy in the European Union and the largest among the former Eastern Bloc members of the European Union…its economy was the only one in the EU to avoid a recession through the 2007-2008 economic downturn…As of 2017 the Polish economy has been growing steadily for the past 26 years, a record high in the EU…the country doubling its GDP since 1990.

Poland’s GDP in 2018 was $586.015 billion, that’s double the Czech Republic.

Now then, WTF was your article about?

Wilmers31
Wilmers31

I once worked for a company in Frankfurt exporting into Comecon countries. The Czechs were always pushy and wanted to do something, so it is not surprising that they came out well. The general idea after 1989 was to improve standards in the old Comecon countries and thus prevent mass immigration.

But mass immigration now came from the wars that the US could not help initiating. It is a mess and I am out of Europe – horray. As far as our life without children goes – a house is more important than raising children.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

…and I drink Czech beer, it’s amongst the best.
And your point was?

Francis Lee
Francis Lee

I take it that you know the difference between GDP and GDP per capita? Poland’s income per capita as of 2018 was US$15,430.00. It might be a good idea before shooting your mouth of to check the difference. Czechia was US$23,007. (2018 figures). These are not per capita figures at Purchasing Power Parity, but the gap would be the same.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Yes Francis I do, I studied economics, but I was referring to your paragraph that indicates Portugal and Czechia GDP in which there is no mention of per capita.
Your omission of Poland appears to be deliberate and to allow you make a political point to those who know little or nothing about the details of the EU and its member states.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee

Try going back and reading it! These were the ten poorest countries in the WHOLE of Europe. If you are so interested in Poland’s per capita GDP it is a smidgen above US$15,250.00, which puts it lower than all the countries in Western Europe and even some in Easter Europe.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin

Let us not forget Britains role in the unruly wholesale integration of the undeveloped nations into the established advanced economic club which had been aligning for decades.

Britain strong armed itself into the EEC when the Fed/cfr/neocon cabal realised that it was going towards an ever closer union rather than remaining the single market that would be easier for their conglomorates to exploit.

The UK was sent in to prevent the economic and political unity – the creation of a united states of Europe, with its own currency (independence from the $ and the Fed) and ultimately its own foreign policies and security (independence from Nato).

The UK used its veto incessantly in an effort to disrupt the orderly and organic evolution of the EU. Including the rapid entry of the easter europeans to inevitably unbalance the economic ever closer union.

Having largely achieved the disruption but not death of these goals, when the EU finally got round to being able to move towards greater regulations to stop tax evasion, money laundering and off-shoring, with the British veto not being able to be deployed any more, the final card of that initial barging into the EEC is being played out – a barging out, trying to cause as much damage as possible.

Brexit is the project of the City and the neocons as much as our entry was.

As to the outcomes for some of these ex cis states – they are mixed. the Czech’s seem to be handling it quite well, Prague is the new Berlin.
Ukraines depopulation may have more to do with the ongoing Chernobyl disaster.

Ultimately i thing the maturing of the Shanghai Cooperative Organisation will lead to the obvious alignment with the EU. The anglo imperial project shrinking to the 5+1 countries, before they too eventually resemble the Greeks, Romans and Normans. That is a reason for optimism for the future of humanity on the planet.

lundiel
lundiel

If that’s so, why does the EU make new members join NATO? And how come Brussels hosts the largest number of lobbyists in the world?
Looks suspiciously like you’re suffering from acute remainermania, my friend.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin

Does the EU MAKE new members join nato?

Look Nato is latgely centred on Europe, i am not suggesting otherwise.

But the EU – not Europe – is persuing its own common security developments – Permanent Structured Cooperation (PESCO) of course working alongside pre existing structures of Nato.

They are working in ‘association’ with Nato not in subservience to them i.e independently enough to be able to have :

‘Cooperation between the EU and NATO is now the established norm and daily practice and continues to take place on the basis of key guiding principles: openness, transparency, inclusiveness and reciprocity, in full respect of the decision-making autonomy and procedures of both organisations without prejudice to the specific character of the security and defence policy of any Member State.’
https://eeas.europa.eu/headquarters/headquarters-Homepage/28286/eu-nato-cooperation-factsheet_en

But it does not imply a forever scenario where the EU (or nato members) have to stump up 2% of their GNI to pay into Nato – a largely US MIC supplied military – does it?

Trump was over demanding 4% !

As to why the ex cis countries get to be automatically signed up to nato –

‘ As of March 2019, Nato information shows there were only six countries – apart from the US – who are estimated to have spent 2% or more of their GDP on defence the previous year:

Greece
UK
Estonia
Poland
Latvia
Lithuania
Most of Nato’s European members spent an estimated 1% to 1.99% last year.’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-44717074

I don’t normally cite the BBC, especially in current affairs, but that is a comprehensive summary (if such a thing exists).

As to your assertion that my opinion is to do with brexit – that is utter bollocks.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Dungroanin, your two posts above hit the nail on the head.

As an Aspergers sufferer, with my direct, even very blunt style, sometimes regretfully insulting too, how I wish that I could convey my thoughts as well as you do, and indeed BigB and a couple of others here.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin

Mate, we are commenting here because we are reacting.
Our motivation to scream at the injustice and propaganda we are daily presented is natural and innocent.
Its a war, this is the battlefield we find ourselves in. We hope there are others like us across all the fields of this war.
They can’t beat us because we are not hired. We are just reacting.
But there is self discipline needed to be effective. That means avoiding the traps set by the aggressors – the current ones being led into the AS trope or the Putin nazi Trump trope.

It is hard to avoid but i find that by trying to use their own words to show them up is the best.

You are not alone see you on the barricades! All power to your elbow.

No Pasaran!

mark
mark

The figures are actually more stark than is suggested.
The population of Lithuania fell from 3.7 to 2.7 million.
Latvia from 2.7 to 1.95 million.
Ukraine is even starker.
52 million at independence.
38 million in 2012, plus another 7.5 million scratching a living working abroad picking cabbages in Poland, or working as “Natasha” prostitutes, the only thing these countries produce the EU actually wants.
The Kiev Coup Regime currently controls a population of around 30 million, after the loss of Crimea, Donbas, and 1.5 million refugees to Russia.
Crapitalism in action.
They have become depopulated backwaters.
A third world situation, like the Central American banana republics, living off remittances.
This will only get worse as time goes by. They are all failed states. This is not reversible.
At independence, the Baltic states had extensive industries, shipbuilding, engineering, motor cycles, agriculture.
Now all that is left are the Latvian peat bogs and the Estonian lap dancing bars.
Though the dual national politicians parachuted in by the State Department seem to imagine that Putin is constantly scheming to march in and seize these priceless assets.

The situation in western countries, Britain, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Italy, Sweden is even more dire through demographic replacement.
London is now 40% white, and 60% minority, if that makes any sense. How wonderful!! How diverse!!! Its supposed 9 million population officially includes 250,000 Ethiopians, a larger number of Somalis, 500,000 Zimbabweans, and even larger populations of Indians, Pakistanis, West Africans, West Indians, and every odd corner of Africa, Asia, and Latin America you can think of.
God only knows what the true figures are. It’s anybody’s guess. And you’re not going to find out from our glorious leaders, even if they did know. The true population of London could be 20 million for all anyone knows, 25% white with 15 million immigrants.
You can’t have first world standards with third world demographics.
Cities like London, Paris, Brussels, Rotterdam, Malmo are just third world slums, like Cairo without the sunshine, with standards to match. Europe will have to be renamed Eurabia or Eurafrica.
Women had better check out the latest fashions in burkhas and gays get back in the closet.
We have already had a good taste of what is to come.
The knife crime epidemic in London as blacks kill blacks, with a supine politically correct, right on mayor and police force mouthing empty platitudes.
Sweden as the new rape capital of the world, with police no longer even bothering to investigate violent rapes of very young children.
With millions more rapefugees and gimmegrants pouring in annually, all according to plan, courtesy of the you know whos.

The reasons the birth rates are so low is that the family has been deliberately targeted and destroyed by cultural Marxists, the promotion of gay culture, trannies, paedophilia, no doubt soon incest and bestiality as well. Plus life being so precarious now for the bulk of the population that they cannot afford to get married, set up a home, and raise a family. So you see schools in Sweden with 1,000 pupils, of whom two are Swedish. The planned Great Demographic Replacement.

Welcome to the future.
Coming to a town near you very, very soon.

bevin
bevin

Neo Nazi drivelling. Propaganda by a racist bent on creating the sort of tensions between communities on which fascists thrive. The noisome ‘mark’ is almost certainly a Bannonite troll. Those who wish to roll in the gutter with him will.

Question This
Question This

Not that old chestnut, its a sorry day to see that old lefty liberal tactic to dismiss freedom of speech, being used on this forum. The R word. There’s acceptable & unacceptable racism, nothing is black & white, just shades of grey.

Of course prejudice & violence because of skin colour or ethnicity is something we all should stand up against, but I see no issue having pride in your own culture & wishing to be with the people you can relate to.

You cant fight racism, by homogenizing the the entire human population until you have no diversity left, that is both unnatural & dangerous & as per usual corrupted by liberal hypocrisy.

George
George

Ah but “having pride in your own culture” is so easy to push into triumphalism and the mocking of other cultures. And if you question this “pride”, you will be demounced as “a traitor”. We are basically talking about the machinations of patriotism. Over to Thorstein Veblen:

“It is, at least, a safe generalisation that the patriotic sentiment never has been known to rise to the consummate pitch of enthusiastic abandon except when bent on some work of concerted malevolence. Patriotism is of a contentious complexion, and finds its full expression in no other outlet than warlike enterprise; its highest and final appeal is for the death, damage, discomfort and destruction of the party of the second part.”

crank
crank

It is hard not to agree with Veblen’s point here.
However, what is asserted by the opponents of Jewish power is that there is a tactic amongst Jewish elites to promote nationalist patriotism amongst the Jews while at the same time working to undermine that sentiment amongst other cultural groups. If true, then the anti-nationalist sentiment becomes a tool of cynical supremacists who work towards Israeli global dominance through means that supliment Veblen’s ‘death, damage, discomfort and destruction’ – those being lobbying, public relations, infiltratration of foreign political movements, control of cultural narratives etc.
In Mark’s and Bevin’s responses we see the familiar polarisation – the ignoring of genuine universalism. The Left ignores Jewish supremacism because they have always built their narrative upon championing the oppressed, and that they see Jews as an historically oppressed group. To them, anyone who raises the issue of Jewish supremacism is immediately self defining as a racist and a neo-nazi – there is no scale of response, it is a straight forward binary, and any criticism of Jewish political power, no matter how reasoned, is regarded on the Left as a demand for genocidal extermination. (I am making a distinction between criticisms of zioinism – i.e. Israeli nationalism, and ‘Jewish power’ as the alleged global network of power elites who strongly identify with each other through their group indentity.)
The Right response tends to be to push back by trying to assert ‘white power’, by trying to reclaim cultural cohesion which usually includes denying the supremacist drive of European imperialist history. Nazism was/is a supremacist imperial project.
In terms of our situation now, it is trying to replace on bad with another. It is not universalist to be nationalist or to formulate a program based on race. The Right have heard the call for a world system in socialist and communist writings as a veiled invocation of Old Testament prophecies of Jews controlling the whole world. It is not a wholly unreasonable reading once you realise just how many Leftwing and progressive movements have seen massive over-representation of Jewish people in their ranks (especially at the top).
On the latter point, the Left again, cannot provide a counterfactual response, but only label the messenger as a ‘neo-nazi’.
The world might be a multicultural place, but that is a separate argument to the one about the relationship between cohesive national democracy and cultural coherence. I see photos of Boris Johnson posing with the Chabad Lubervich group and wonder how far things will go before there is a push back. It will not be pretty, but that is, in part, because the (so called) universalist political movements of the Left have been blind to the issue and have not been able to offer a peaceful and equitable way out.
Europe needs democratising, but we all need a global democracy and a genuinely universal politics.

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Jews are just pawns to advance Zionist/neo-liberal agendas. Liberals advocate one world governance (globalism) for one reason only, total domination, because they are all psychopaths.

They use one word propaganda “antisemitism”, “racism” ,”equality” & “diversity” to shutdown any opposing view or political competition, to impose their global tyranny.

They claim diversity is our strength & security, yet the driving force of all wars for the last 3 centuries has been implementation of that neo-liberal empire.

As with everything neo-liberal one thing stands out ‘hypocrisy’. You have to admire the simplicity of their plan, even if like me you despise everything they really stand for. The push back has begun, but is it to little, to late? Of course there are huge obstacles in their path, Russia & much less so china.

Eric
Eric

Thanks for doing nothing but name call. Anyone can see who has the defensible ideology.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Cool analysis, Eric 😉

mark
mark

When you’ve achieved your multiculti paradise, I hope you like the result.
Unless you have some well guarded gated bolt hole to escape to.

George
George

There is no prospective “multiculti paradise”. On the one hand, the world simply IS multicultural and nothing will undo that. On the other, the various cultures are drifting closer together due to the spreading of technology and “Americanization” of the world – all of this due to capitalism becoming increasingly aggressive about seeking out new areas for exploitation.

Mishko_
Mishko_

Multi-cultural twerking.
I wish I could say:”Not That There Is Anything Wrong With That”,
but it IS wrong, is NOT simply harmless fun.
Hyper-sexualisation / degeneracy.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Capitalist Neoliberalism Softpornorama
is surely what you are describing.

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/02/24/aristotle-on-immigration-diversity-and-democracy/

Aristotle wrote at length on the methods being employed by the throng of empires, especially in their dying phase: which is where our new corporate computerised Fascist Dictators are now colluding within the confines of NATZO,
usurping any national sovereignty & governance.

mark
mark

I thought I was a hasbara troll. Maybe I can get double pay for both. I’ll take dollars, shekels, or bitcoin.

Mishko_
Mishko_

To me, Mark’s comments sound perfectly sane, natural and even healthy.
I do not care much for the connotation “rapefugees” though.
I live in Amsterdam: migrants here, migrants there, migrants fvcking everywhere.
Housing scarce (wonderful how immigration drives up prices, rents, premiums),
mosques plentiful.
I despise, I loathe, I hate, HATE (OMG hate-speech!) most dutch politicians
with a piercing anger. They are traitors, lobby creatures, pedopower club-members.
The ol’ Ordo Ab Chao routine kicks our ass again and again.
I wish those EU lackeys that had the Coudenhove-Kalergi prize bestowed on them
had declined to accept that “honour”. But here we are.

mark
mark

Amsterdam used to be the greatest city in the world. Magical place.
Now it’s just another 3rd world s**thole. Just like Paris.
Some people put their hopes in Wilders but he’s just a Zionist stooge.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum

It’s never been about race, religion or sexuality Mark.
It ALWAYS has been, and always will be, about MONEY.

George
George

But you’ll say it’s about race, religion or sexuality if you want to divide and rule.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Exactly that.

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The only positive to come from neo-liberalism is non violent (a term used loosely) de-population. Its why I find my own values conflicted. We can’t carry on ecologically as we are, yet I do so despise the deviant & degenerate neo-liberal ideology that seems the only benign (for want of a better word) method of decreasing the population..

mark
mark

If you’re worried about ecology, how does it serve Little Greta’s agenda to bring hundreds of millions of third world folk into developed countries and up to first world standards of consumption/ carbon footprints?? Why is that “green”? Why not just let the population decline? How is this not about demographic replacement?

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I think you’re confusing me with a liberal, don’t ask me about their agenda. The mass clearance of the Arabs from the middle east is part of the greater Israel project, the Zionists have done this type of thing before.

I was talking about the deviant sexual conduct of the LGBB&Q community, evidently if you can’t breed the population will go into decline, on that level at least i can appreciate liberal ideology.

The problem here is “white supremacy”, thinking the white western race is so important that the zionist care that much about them, they don’t there’s no demographic plan other than Israeli expansion. They don’t care what happens elsewhere.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig

The problem here is “white supremacy”, thinking the white western race is so important that the zionist care that much about them …

Uh, that would be Jewish supremacy.

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I couldn’t possibly comment on that.

mark
mark

It’s strange how white countries, all white countries, and only white countries, Europe, Australia, North America, have to be “diversified” with tidal waves of unassimilable third world rapefugees and gimmegrants and their native populations destroyed and replaced as soon as possible.

If you say that India is for Indians, Japan is for Japanese, and Nigeria is for Nigerians, the only response you get is a big yawn. Say that Europe is for Europeans or Italy is for Italians, then you are a disgusting, despicable racist who should be thrown in gaol immediately. Everybody is allowed to have their own country except white people. White countries are for the whole world, anybody who wants to go there and grab whitey’s free stuff, Uncle Tom Cobley and All, all 7 billion of them.

Strangely enough, nobody worries about the lack of “diversity” in Ethiopia. Nobody says, you know, the problem with Ethiopia is it isn’t diverse enough. Let’s send a couple of million Welsh people there to enrich Ethiopian culture with Welsh singing and poetry and cooking. They’ll be ever so grateful if we do.

This doesn’t happen by accident. It is all planned and directed over many decades. Listen to what people like Sarkozy, Levy, Macron, Merkel, Gysi, Spectre, have to say on the subject. How the German Left hate and despise their own country and people and want to replace them as soon as possible. How Levy wants to bring 2 million Africans into France every year. How Timmermans wants to merge Europe and Africa into one country. How Sarkozy explains that the most urgent task is to force through miscegenation in Europe and any means necessary will be used to achieve that.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Mark, there is just one reason that they want to do this (massive immigration), and that’s because White birth rates do not replace the population sufficiently to allow neoliberal profits to keep on growing by 55 per annum. They simply need / want more consumers in the EU and US; unlimited growth to feed their banks and pockets.

No matter to them the clash of cultures, raping of our children, and worse, the transformation of our large cities, no, only profits matter to them.

How perverse that it is the “left” who support, aid and abet such obsecene neoliberal policies that our decimating our society.

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It’s a narrative that’s gaining popularity & whilst i don’t think liberals are clever enough to formulate such a plan (not to mention its self harming) the conclusions reached at least have some merit.

We all know the tactics liberals use to shut down free speech & genuine concerns, “racist, Bigot, *****phobe, etc etc” They’ve managed to brainwash an entire generation in indoctrination centers (schools) to forward their agenda, the very fact there is now a generation of idiots that actively demonstrate for their own demise is quite something to witness, on this front again you have to admire the ingenuity of liberals to be able to get away with it.

I think Frank has made a very valid point, neo-liberals are only interested in migration for one reason, profit, neo-liberals invented slavery, when they could no longer catch & ship slaves to sell, they simply opened the borders for economic migrants & war refugees to keep wages low & rents high for their gain. Who can blame African’s for wanting a better life when the neo-liberals have done everything they can to prevent development of their own countries through various mechanisms like the world bank & the IMF.

I may be a misanthrope but i am not a racist, i hold no prejudice or malice against a person for his skin colour or ethnicity, the word jew never enters my thought process when i think how awful Israel treats Palestine or how Zionists have corrupt world politics, its neo-liberals that are the greatest threat to democracy & our future, some maybe Zionists, Jews or even Africans they are people of all walks of life, nearly all only have one motive money & power, some are simply brainwashed muppets who actually believe the lunacy they preach.

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As for “diversity” like all things liberal its hypocritical, because of course mixing cultures simply dilutes them & damages diversity. The only diversity liberals are afraid of is diversity in opinion that is something they are against at all costs because it harms their agenda.

William HBonney

And though you mark me
Your eyes so glassy
Oh why did you have
To be so Nazi?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

“Sweden as the new rape capital of the world, with police no longer even bothering to investigate violent rapes of very young children.”

Give them a break. Everyone in the Swedish police and prosecution services except the tea ladies and front desk security staff is flat out 24/7 on the Assange case and US/UK embassy liason.

Barovsky

Excellent deconstruction! Hooray for ‘democracy’.