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Publishing Stolen Material: WikiLeaks, the DNC and Freedom of Speech

Binoy Kampmark

Image source – Newsweek

It may well be a finding of some implication should Julian Assange find his way into the beastly glory that is the US justice system.  In its efforts to rope in President Donald Trump’s election campaign, Wikileaks, Assange and the Russian Federation for hacking the computers of the Democratic National Committee in 2016, the DNC case was found wanting.

The case presented in the United States District Court of the Southern District of New York was never convincing but remains as aspect of a broader effort to inculpate WikiLeaks and Julian Assange in assisting the Trump campaign triumph.  One allegation was key: that “the dissemination of those [hacked] materials furthered the prospect of the Trump Campaign”, a point of assistance the defendants “welcomed”.

Claims under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupted Organizations Act and Stored Communications Act, among other statutes, were also advanced.

An important ingredient in the DNC case was that of conspiracy, a notable point given current efforts on the part of the US Justice Department to extradite Assange from the United Kingdom.  The elaborate conspiracy was alleged to link the Russian theft of emails and data from the DNC computer system to WikiLeaks and company via dissemination. Effectively, the argument was that stolen materials were disclosed. 

(Merrily for transparency advocates, the DNC did not contest the veracity of the material, merely the way such material had been obtained.)

Reporters and civil liberty groups rallied.  The Knight First Amendment Institute situated at Columbia University, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, all made submissions backing WikiLeaks’ request for the dismissal of the lawsuit.

The first snag for the DNC team was the Russian Federation.  As District Judge John G. Koeltl noted from the outset, the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act rendered the issue of Russia’s legal liability for the pilfering deeds a moot one; the Federation could not be sued in the courts of the United States for acts of state, a point duly acknowledged as reciprocal.  Nor had the DNC shown that the case satisfied any exceptions, including that of “commercial activity”. Cyber-attacks, it was accepted, tended to lack the necessary commercial quality.

What then followed was a textbook application of the First Amendment and press freedoms at play.  The DNC effort had a smell of desperation; in pursuing WikiLeaks, it had ignored a salient lesson in constitutional history.  The good judge was wise to the point, recalling the US Supreme Court decision in New York Times Co. v United States (the “Pentagon Papers” case) upholding:

the press’ right to publish information of public concern obtained from documents stolen by a third party.”

The 2001 Supreme Court decision of Bartnicki v Vopper was also added to the judicial mix, one involving the interception by an unknown person of a recorded call between a teachers’ union’s president and its main negotiator. 

The subsequent airing of the recording by a local radio host did not result in any liability for breaching federal and Pennsylvania wiretapping statutes, despite knowledge that the recording had been obtained illegally.  Action on the part of a state “to punish the publication of truthful information seldom can satisfy constitutional standards”.

Koeltl noted that the DNC raised “a number of connections and communications between the defendants and with people loosely connected to the Russian Federation, but at no point does the DNC allege any facts in the Second Amendment Complaint to show that any of the defendants – other than the Russian Federation – participated in the theft of the DNC’s information.” 

What the DNC was essentially doing was making allegations sound like fact, something of an irritation for Koeltl.

While acknowledging that the DNC’s argument against WikiLeaks might have initially seemed strong, they being “the only defendant – other than the Russian Federation – that is alleged to have published the stolen information”, such an allegation lacked legs. 

The Bartnicki case loomed as a heavy precedent: WikiLeaks had played no “role in the theft of the documents and it is undisputed that the stolen materials involve matters of public concern.”

It was left to the DNC to distinguish the two cases, something which it tried to do with the concept of the “after-the-fact co-conspirator”. The bridge was alleged to be WikiLeaks’ “coordination to obtain and distribute stolen materials”.

In what seems like an audible sigh coming through the text, Koeltl deemed WikiLeaks’ knowledge that the material was stolen a “constitutionally insignificant” matter and “unpersuasive.” 

On the other hand, publishing internal communications allowing “the American electorate to look behind a curtain of one of the two major political parties in the United States during a presidential election” was very much deserving of the “strongest protection that the First Amendment offers.”

Even any solicitation of the part of WikiLeaks to obtain such material (prosecutors, take note) was irrelevant. “A person is entitled to publish stolen documents that the publisher requested from a source as long as the publisher did not participate in the theft.”

The logical implication following from punishing individuals and entities for doing so, acknowledged the court, would “render any journalist who publishes an article based on stolen information a co-conspirator in the theft”.  Assange and his legal team will be more than a little heartened by this acknowledgment, one that repels efforts to treat WikiLeaks as a hacking rather than publishing enterprise.

You can download the full decision here, or read it embedded below – Ed.

Dr. Binoy Kampmark was a Commonwealth Scholar at Selwyn College, Cambridge.  He lectures at RMIT University, Melbourne. Email: [email protected]
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Molloy
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Molloy

Thank you, Tim J…
“It is jaw dropping stuff and NOBODY is discussing this book (Luke Rosiak’s), for the specific reason that it makes a TOTAL mockery of both the Democrats & Republicans, Government Security Officers and their pathetic systems for security and it shows the power of the IT guy, over absolutely everybody in both the Senate & Congress ! !”

Tools of societal control. Mental health. Greed.
American Psycho; Bret Easton Ellis
http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:410748/fulltext01.pdf

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Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Thanks for the link, Molloy, right up my street for an early Sunday morning reader’s digest.
The reality is, (just like HRC’s private servers failed prosecution by AG Lynch & Comey), that this Imran Awan is a way bigger story than Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning & Co. combined and there is only one case to highlight of more IT importance than ANY other:-

Kurt Weibe & Bill Binney and their incredible bravery & integrity as programmers & whistleblowers, after the 11th Sept. 2001 , when they exposed the NSA’s and others
running “Parallel Platforms” !

When people finally get their heads around these “Parallel Platforms”, the public younger generation will finally understand how Corporate Computerised Fascist Collusion in Dictatorship of sovereign nations & governance truly functions, in the IT world where,
Politicians are CLUELESS !

Molloy
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Molloy

Yes. With very few exceptions. “Politicians are CLUELESS !

As Pinocchio was clueless.
Nothing new really…. the self-appointed global elite deliberately choose their ‘tools’ for the very reason dolls are clueless and self-humiliating whilst diminishing all of humankind. As re Epstein — the usual MO –this means all the puppets are easily managed and levered and suborned.

Puppets are not paid to think. Fact not arrogance on my part!
For me, endlessly debating neo-feudal elite’s already Known, exploitative behaviour, and arguing over who gets to be appointed as the latest stooge… Well, is merely playing the psyops planned neo-feudal game (against the 99%). Also psychological abuse and energy sapping and anger inducement are well known (not very bright) distraction diversions by the bullying, coercive elite and their shills in the MSM and Dark State funded, quasi-institutional rat holes… all funded by money and resources stolen from victims, the 99%.

If you want confirmation, ask the remaining Tasmanian, Kikuyu, and Apache indigenous people, the one or two rational ones who are still alive that is.

“At least 150,000 Kikuyus passed through British detention camps, and more than 20,000 Mau Mau fighters died in combat. Central Province’s residents can still point out the caves where the freedom fighters hid and sketch the location of the British prisons and scaffolds where they were executed—in Nyeri’s case, on what is now the golf club’s parking lot.”
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/02/why-do-kenya-s-other-tribes-resent-the-kikuyu.html
(also Britain’s Gulag: The Brutal End of Empire in Kenya by Caroline Elkins)

Familiar pattern. Nothing changes. Or as brainwashed facilitator-apologists occasionally tell me, “…’Twas Ever Thus’.
Be strong.

Tim jenkins
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Tim jenkins

Wholly superb & brilliant comment, Molloy: especially the “anger inducement” & one glance at the case LemonT.Robinson (sorry, meaning Lennon 😉 ), should be enough for anybody to get their heads around the scale of corporate financial orchestrations, money & media levels of distraction, involved in the huge misrepresentations of all our puppet politicians … Talk about common graves & golf club parking lots … 🙂

Very familiar patterns of ‘common spirit & barbarous multitudes’, that obligates one to think of ‘Shylock’ and his ‘Pound of Flesh’, in The Merchant of Venice …

If we are going to break this sickening cycle, somehow: let me rest our case representation with Portia’s concept of “The Quality of Mercy is not strained …”
I’m sure you know the rest of what she suggests,
as Lady with Scales & a Sword in hand …

Be ‘Brave & strong & patient …
Best wishes,
Tim

Molloy
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Molloy

What is to be done? We who are still half alive, living in the often fibrillating heartland of a senescent capitalism – can we do more than reflect the decay around and within us? Can we do more than sing our sad and bitter songs of dissolution and defeat?
R D Laing

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Dusk draws in upon the rising Moon,
‘Stars’ smother the vault of Heaven.
Forests rustle, swayed by rising Wind,
The Balkan HAARPs the Rebels’ Hymn …

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

For anybody that is remotely confused as to why all the MSM everywhere is participating in this massive charade of blaming Russia, you just MUST listen to this:-

https://youtu.be/G0lhrzWtWMc

It is jaw dropping stuff and NOBODY is discussing this book, for the specific reason that it makes a TOTAL mockery of both the Democrats & Republicans, Government Security Officers and their pathetic systems for security and it shows the power of the IT guy, over absolutely everybody in both the Senate & Congress ! !

Oh, and it also illuminates much about what Imran Khan was discussing with Trump, last week in Washington, whereby, Corruption is the Destruction of Culture and Imran Awan was very busy,
stealing Government servers & computers, not just hacking ! 🙂
Still laffin’ my fuckin’ socks off …

Fair dinkum
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Fair dinkum

If the Turds who rule keep JA locked up he remains a hero.
If they release him he becomes a target, then a martyr.
If they ‘disappear’ him he becomes a martyr.
What a tangled web the Turds do weave.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

JA is just another distraction from Imran Awan, the IT guy from the Dems. who ‘acquired’ control over Government Servers & Computers, not just by hacking them, Fair Dinkum, he was physically removing & stealing them, lock stock & smoking barrel and had all the government data on both Dems. & Reps. and effectively could fuck with & blackmail the whole of CONGRESS and the SENATE ! !

https://youtu.be/G0lhrzWtWMc

Listen carefully, FD and you’ll be laffin’ all day & all night long … 🙂

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

And “The song remains the same”,

“(Merrily for transparency advocates, the DNC did not contest the veracity of the material, merely the way such material had been obtained.)”

At this rate it all begs the question: When will we ever have the time to discuss the contents, which expose criminality, hypocrisy, massive conspiracies and Fascist corporatists goals & agendas, to mention but a few matters of the utmost importance: which was why the documentation was always leaked or hacked (in some cases), in the first place: E>G> PRISM or Promis, the forerunner of Prism, that was moved & sold around the world by the Mossad Agent Robert Maxwell, whilst his daughter Ghislaine engineered the sexual deviant side of political blackmail, with Jeffrey Epstein …

The above quote from the article, in brackets demonstrates perfectly, how the contents and pointers of every leak or hack are being largely ignored and when one starts to read Wikileaks releases, like the contents of Vault 7, with an all encompassing surrounding knowledge of what played out in the fakestream media, one has to conclude that, in all discussions, we are losing the focus on the critical issues of WHAT was revealed & WHY and everybody ends up discussing just the HOW >>> so, let us get these questions in the right order, at least here @OffG >>> it is always always, in business planning or spying or your private sexual relationship, quintessential to analyse in the right order of construction of WHY< HOW< WHAT ? otherwise the exercise of communication and any desire to deal with any problem becomes FUTILE & CONFUSED & you will FAIL ! !

Neil McCormick
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Neil McCormick

Still hidden in amongst the noise is the simple fact that Killary got more votes than Trump and it was only the STUPID electoral college system that gave the title to Trump – a system which the vile Dems love!!!

William HBonney
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The rules were the same for both candidates. If Trump played the game better than Hilary, then that was her fault.

BTW, the electoral college system exists to prevent a candidate from the populace South from winning and reversing the result of the American civil war.

mark
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mark

Clinton and her cronies believed Trump might win the popular vote but couldn’t win the electoral college. They were all in favour of the system when (they thought) it was working to their advantage.

Martin Usher
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Martin Usher

We continue to beat the Russia drum because its a well known and tried reflex — the all knowing, all threatening external enemy. Meanwhile for some unaccountable reason we keep ignoring the real threat posed by companies like the SCL Group and the legions of international political consulting firms. These organizations are truly international and like any other transnational corporation will use resources wherever they find them at the best price — including Russia. The physical location isn’t important, though, its who pays the bills — who do they work for, what do they seek and whether they work for free (or a steep discount) as a way of gaming campaign finance laws.

Given the potential threat to a state posed by a confluence of large scale information collection through social media and the like and well established psyops techniques it is quite likely that governments will take an interest, if only for their self-preservation. This is especially true for governments that might not be part of the western hegemony.

Much of what we know goes on is obvious and logical but as it doesn’t fit into the established Spy vs Spy pattern so its invariably discounted.

William HBonney
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We continue to beat the Russia drum because its a well known and tried reflex

Russia had motive. HRC was on the record as saying she would impose ‘no fly zones’ on Syria, in areas the Russians fly in. This could have brought NATO in direct confrontation with Russia, something US presidents are usually at pains to avoid.

Hilary is a warmonger, and for all his faults, Trump was the more likely candidate to avoid a nuclear exchange with Russia.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Fuck off & listen to this you moronic troll !!!

https://youtu.be/G0lhrzWtWMc

William HBonney
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Hard talk from an Internet warrior…

Bet your a pussy in real life.

Yarkob
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Yarkob

* You’re

Trolling works better if you can spell.

See:

Your trolling is obvious.

You’re welcome

William HBonney
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Trolling works better if you can spell

You’re a master debater (there might be a spelling mistake there, too 😉

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

LMFAO, Thanks Yarkob: I missed that, when I was drafting my response to him, which will be published at a later date, so as not to sully and distract from the importance of this article and the link … 😉

Seriously: have a good day m8 🙂

Frank Speaker
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Frank Speaker

Are you drunk?

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

I hardly ever drink, Frank, often for weeks, certainly not every day since I was 19 🙂 Definitely not when I go online to do analysis and very very seldom during research either and never when commenting: maybe, when it’s hot and I’m happy and have good cause for joy, i’ll drink one or two small 33cl bottles of a weaker beer, occasionally, but my heart has lost any desire for the heavy fuel >>>
Does that answer your question, adequately ?

How about you ? Are you drunk ?

I just never saw the point of killing my brain cells, (like my alcoholic father, after my mum died when I was 15), & somebody had to look out for my brothers and I was/am the eldest.

I know my ways must seem curious to you, but it’s all about >>>
‘Keeping things whole’

In a field
I am the absence
of field.
This is
always the case.
Wherever I am
I am what is missing.

When I walk
I part the air
and always
the air moves in
to fill the spaces
where my body’s been.

We all have reasons
for moving.
I move
to keep things whole.
(Mark Strand)

I know very precisely what WHB is doing & how to deal with a sociopath like him, both psychologically & physically and I’ve been monitoring him, for quite sometime and a have curious passion for the devil’s advocacy,
on some occasions …

What’s your excuse 😉 & Did you listen to the link ? ?
Given that you don’t seem to understand the levels of corruption behind WTC 7 and much more corruption, underlying the European Union, i’d be interested to hear what you have to say about the information revealed in the book review.

Frank Speaker
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Frank Speaker

This the sole comment of yours WB that i can give any potential credence to.

It’s clear that Killary and the Deep State were pushing for direct conflict with Russia and Putin would of course rightly do anything to stop the madness. He also knew that Trump was not as hostile to Russia.

When Killary lost to Trump the whole Deep State turned on Trump and Putin to move the focus away from their own despicable intentions.

Now it’s all going to come out in the wash and i hope Brennan, Killary, Comey and others get jail time.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

if you had listened to the link I sent to WHB, you would understand that it was not just their despicable intentions, that they wanted to divert the focus from: it was also the fact that the Dems. IT Guy, Imran Awan, had been a very naughty boy and had all the Data on Democrats & Republicans in both Congress and the Senate, credit card numbers &&&… no doubt, Seth Rich knew about Imran Awan, his IT guy who had not just leaked or hacked the servers & computers … no no no, Awan had stolen the servers & computers, as in physically removed them, lock stock & smoking barrel: he had them in a Lift Shaft, lol >>>

I’ve written this elsewhere on this thread, a few times already …
Just listen to the link and open your mind, Frank, to all the lies told about Julian Assange and I assure you that you will be able to laugh at WHB’s ridiculous comment, that seeks to distract you from the reality & enormous scale of this cover up, that is embarrassing for everybody in Government Security as well !

mark
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mark

Like everybody else, Putin was resigned to Clinton winning. Trump was supposedly 50-1 against, so far as “expert” opinion was concerned. He just shrugged his shoulders and didn’t see any point wasting his roubles.

Kaiama
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Kaiama

The USA will not get a free ride with their extradition. That is why they are trying the conspiracy angle as the journalistic angle has no real propsect of resulting in Assange being sent to the USA.

William HBonney
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The UK government, if it had any balls, would send Assange to Sweden, and let them prosecute of unprosecutable charges that were of such great importance while he was in the Ecuadorian embassy.

Sweden deserves to be put in the position of justifying their persecution of Assange, and then having to either acquiesce to, or defy the US.

As for Assange, his life, sadly, is pretty much over. When his present sentence ends, then he will be remanded in custody pending the American extradition request. This could take decades.

MASTER OF UNIVE
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MASTER OF UNIVE

Julian Assange will not be brought to the United States of America to be harassed & abused by the Department of Justice or the resident lunatic narcissist in the D.C. Whore House. What would happen if that sort of scenario manifested is blatantly obvious to all that work & conduct research in the Social Sciences in that Julian Assange is being tortured via being held incommunicado at the behest of a deranged & out-of-control Military Industrial Complex. Far be it for me to predict the future but as a Social Scientist I, for one, can honestly say that if the resident lunatic narcissist in the D.C. Whore House or the Department of Justice even motions to bring Assange to so-called ‘justice’ in the United States of America there will be Hell to pay & twenty five million or so Social Scientists throughout the world that will inundate the halls of power with the wrath of academia for the victimization the abuser-in-chief & DOJ are inflicting on an innocent human being.

Attempt pissing us academics off and you will not know what hit you, America.

Signed…. the establishment

MOU

Reveal
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Reveal

“Julian Assange will not be brought to the United States of America to be harassed & abused by the Department of Justice or the resident lunatic narcissist in the D.C. Whore House.”

MASTER OF UNIVE, the situation in the comment opening is made irrelevant by the facts mentioned in the middle of the comment, namely:

“Julian Assange is being tortured via being held incommunicado at the behest of a deranged & out-of-control Military Industrial Complex.”

Sadly and tragically, for the forseeable future, Asssange (wherever he might be) cannot escape the gross abuse emanating from The US/ Pentagon; gross abuse approved and facilitated by Western Democracies including Bought Mainstream Journalism.

MASTER OF UNIVE
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MASTER OF UNIVE

The Human Rights paradigm will free Assange if the academics decide to pick it up and use it expeditiously is defence of a human being that is being forcibly detained by extrajudicial punishment meted out by the DOJ.

Frankly, the DOJ has overstepped their bounds but the litigators that could get Assange out are all sitting on their hands in the towers of BIG law waiting for the funding campaigns to kick in so that they don’t have to work pro bono.

Litigators don’t really like pro bono work anymore so we need to sweeten the pot for them with a GET Julian Assange OUT-OF-JAIL fundraising campaign and only then will we be able to wave petrodollars in the faces of litigators that have lost their way in life and their humanity. We all know they lost their morality way back when they figured out how to do forgeries & speak like the Janus faced Judas Iscariots they really are.

Money makes the world go round but it can also get Assange out of the klink too.

MOU

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

That, my friend, is one helluva’ fine Memorandum Of Understanding & Understatement of a very sad indictment of the Science of Humanities !

Cool comment M.O.U.

William HBonney
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It would be better if Assange never gets to the USA.

Steve Hayes
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This case is bizarre. The court dismissed the case on the ground that the Democrats’ arguments were divorced from the facts, even though the court accepted the Democrats’ unsupported allegations as facts.

Reveal
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Reveal

“Stolen Material”

The word stolen should not be used; at least not in headlines. ‘Hidden Materials’ would be more appropriate in this context, where the public has been deliberately kept in the dark on relevant matters.

Nothing was stolen, but everything was hidden from the public to keep people misinformed and just fooled by illusions.

Maggie
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Maggie

I thought the whole point of JOURNALISM was to ”EXPOSE” hidden facts that affect the lives of the Public?

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Not anymore, at present Maggie and ironically (after clarifying something) I was joking with a BG. friend very early this morning, about exactly this matter you mention, relating to a case & an attempt to smear & obstruct ‘Bivol’ investigative reporting here in Bulgaria, who have also worked with Wikileaks ! It went like this, word 4word:-

me: “FYI, Novinite hid their article under the CRIME Sub-section title, NOT main news, tiny psychological tricks … to discredit credibility without drawing attention 😉 ”

mr.T: “All paid prostitutes”

me: “Totally true, PRESSTITUTES”

mr.T “I can only play them, on a repeat song of ‘Over Here brothers’ ”

me: “there is ZERO FREE PRESS in the Western World: ALL media is now just a TOOL for ELITES to sell themselves and cover up their MURDEROUS IMMORAL BEHAVIOURS, by attacking innocents”

mr.T “This is the naked truth”

me: “Yo, and google is the most major player in this”

mr.T “There are no exceptions. The money machine is operating”

me: “start using Brave Browser Bro. and you will find what you want way faster, not just the naked speed of the app, but also way less SHIT to sort through first, to find what you want: i’ve been testing it recently and it works”

mr.T “Manipulation, mass disinformation, incrimination..All that”

me: “EXACTLY! Brave is now my browser of choice, presently BEST, with ad blockers and great anti tracking from 3rd parties: Duckduckgo was good a few years ago, but it now starts to look like a jungle sometimes & it makes me wonder, how I keep from going under the volume of BULLSHIT, lmao, 🙂 never forget the music, bro.”
****************************************************

The articles that provoked the whole discussion, regarding the corruption of EU Funding, were as follows, if yer’ interested in 300 luxury private villa ‘guest houses’ for our elites, built with EU money for societal development ! ?

https://bivol.bg/en/prosecutors-office-to-investigate-bulgarian-deputy-ministers-guest-house.html

https://www.novinite.com/articles/198996/The+Special+Prosecutor%27s+Office+Has+Issued+an+European+Interrogation+Order+for+the+Editor+in+Chief+of+%22Bivol%22+Website

Needless to say, ‘Bivol’ will now be losing masses of time, not just in Bulgarian courts, but possibly in EU courts as well, because they work with Wikileaks and the EU expressly does NOT wish to discuss the wholly incredible SCALE of CORRUPTION here in BG. because the EU knows full well that they are & have been always working with CRIMINAL POLITICIANS, in Bulgaria, coz’ the EU POLITICIANS are also CRIMINALS and itsa’ a big powerful club and we ain’t in it, innit !

And this club, includes the CIA, Google, INTEL inside Israel &&& algorithms, Maggie 🙂

Use & Be ‘Brave’, Maggie, nothing stays the same forever: eventually the organ grinders wear out their instruments to the point where nobody listens to something out of tune … 😉

Frank Speaker
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Frank Speaker

“Bro”?

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Bro. with a full stop for abbreviation on a chat app. as in application. Mr.T is my brother from another mother, see Frank ?

Now did you check the ‘Bivol’ article and the governMental fraud and how the corrupted EU has reacted to ‘Bivol’ (Wikileaks partner) investigative reporting FFS ! Given you love of the EU, you should be seriously concerned, coz’ since 1990 living in Europe, I’m so disgusted at the levels of EU corruption today, at the highest levels in Brussels & Strasbourg, (not just here in BG.) I’m thinking of leaving Europe for good, if we don’t start prosecuting matters like the case above.

There’s a guy down the road from me, called Ivan Stomatov, who only paid One Euro for his Villa by the river and he was an MP and he has the dubious record for being the only MP ever to have never spoken one public word in Parliament FFS !
And his old secretary was married to that Dutch Consultant I’ve already told you about, where over 900 pages of hard work & preparation were just abused and government plagiarism rules for the criminal elites !

Are you connecting the dots, slowly ?

DiggerUK
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DiggerUK

This great news will do Julian no harm at all.
But above that, I just love the irony that the judge, Judge Koehler, was appointed by President Bill Clinton…_

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/30/dnc-lawsuit-trump-campaign-russia-email-hack-1441166

DiggerUK
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DiggerUK

Sorry, U.S. District Judge John Koeltl…_

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Glad you corrected that, did you listen to this link, yet ?
Coz’ JA has very little to fear, imho, soon enough, when enough of us talk louder than the MSM amongst friends, about the true scale of US Government security, from both the Dems. & Reps. and just keep mentioning the name Imran Awan,
then JA will be able to get back to work !

https://youtu.be/G0lhrzWtWMc

Think about what I’m saying … JA was & is the least of their problems and anybody who supports JA, must know that Seth Rich must surely have had contact to & known of his IT guy, who goes by the name of Imran Awan !

it is one thing to leak or hack, but that is pretty pointless to discuss, when you can just walk in and steal government servers & computers …

wardropper
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wardropper

Which is why we should probably keep a close eye on future developments…

UreKismet
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UreKismet

I seriously doubt that the DNC had any realistic expectation of winning this case. Prez elections just like all US elections have been riddled with corruption since 1776 or whenever it was old George ran – if he did indeed run. I can’t be arsed checking to see if there was an actual contest for prez #1 or whether old George “I cannot tell the truth father” Washington was elected by elite acclamation since he controlled most of the guns.

Famously Tricky Dicky Nixon bore a huge grudge against JFK over rorts in Texas & Illinois.

This is the most likely reason for the Gore moron meekly accepting Shrub’s “victory” in 2000 – any in depth investigation of prez 2000 by suitably armed with subpoenas election experts would succeed in one thing only. That was demonstrating to Joe/Jo Citizen exactly how corrupt their democracy is.

UreKismet
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UreKismet

That’s what I wanted to say – that this case was about tainting the pool – the pool of voters not the jury pool. Keeping Trump in the DNC’s sights whilst avoiding any cries from members that the real issue is the proclivity of deb pols for jamming their snouts in the closest corporate trough at first opportunity.

The DC pols reveal their contempt for their subjects – Oops sorry voters – by the unquestioning acceptance of the Tom Perez strategy of ignoring the awful precarious circumstances the bulk of amerikans are currently finding themselves in, preferring to change the subject to “Trump = Hitler”. That way they do not have to piss off the copious corporate donors whose largesse keeps the brothers & sisters in the think tank game living the fat life.

UreKismet
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UreKismet

deb pols= dem pols

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

and there I was thinking you meant Wasserman Schuldig, i mean Schultz 😉

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

“I seriously doubt that the DNC had any realistic expectation of winning this case. ”

Of course not: they just did never wanted to discuss the link that I’ve sent you once, already.

https://youtu.be/G0lhrzWtWMc

I’m surprised you don’t mention the tiny matter, Imran Awan: the Dems. IT guy, who did not just leak or hack, he was physically removing/stealing government servers & computers, not just the Dems. Data and as such, had all the Data on the whole of Congress & the Senate.

Listen & laugh 😉 all day and all night long 🙂

UreKismet
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UreKismet

I read about this bloke back when it all kicked off – just another crook I reckon. I didn’t respond to the first link when it appeared you were somehow trying to implicate Imran Khan in his rort, as yep Imran Khan is a pol, but one of the better ones IMO.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Just scroll down to the bottom of this thread and you’ll see what I think about Imran Kahn, truly, in my reply to ‘Wardropper’ …

Did you hear what happened to the brother of Awan ? with his Tesla ?
which caught fire twice, in Florida ? after a collision with a tree ?

That’s a case where Dental Records would be real darn handy … 😉
And, it makes you wonder about the powers that can control any
computerised vehicle,
remotely …

Frank Speaker
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Frank Speaker

You’ve got way too much spare time on your hands Tim. You are becoming an insufferable ranting bore. Give it a bit of a rest mate.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Are you drunk ?

Antonym
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Antonym

Would HRC’s deceit of Sanders not have come out without leaked e-mails? Did other Democrats knew nothing of what was going on inside their own headquarters?

wardropper
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wardropper

These days nobody knows anything of what is going on unless they are forced to admit it.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

The essence of wisdom is to know,
that you know nothing …

And the mighty Ant. would rather deliver distraction, so that we don’t have time to listen to the following link or ever read the guy’s book about what was really happening with the IT guys hired by the Dems. , without background checks (which incidentally was why Imran Khan was in the US talking to Trump last week ! )

https://youtu.be/G0lhrzWtWMc

a simply must listen, whilst performing some mundane chore.
Jaw dropping stuff , Wardropper , jaw dropping !

wardropper
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wardropper

Thanks for that link Tim. Very interesting, although I got a little queasy in the stomach when I saw that Rosiak’s book has a foreword by Newt Gingrich…
Nor did I appreciate the distinction he seemed to want to make between Democratic “corruption” and Republican “incompetence”, when there is clearly a 50-50 distribution of both in the whole of Washington.

Ultimately, I’ve come to the conclusion that nobody would dream of seeking a political career in the USA without having already come to the conclusion that the country was going to hell anyway, so it might be just as well to speed things up a bit and profit as much as possible before it finally happens.

Not that it’s better anywhere else these days, and our politicians barely even bother any longer to pretend that it’s otherwise.
As for jaws:
My jaw first dropped many years ago, and so, with the best will in the world, it can’t physically drop much further…

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Lol, I agree with every word you said: if you scroll up to Maggie’s comment, you’ll see another Wikileaks linked affair / case from Bulgaria, excellently researched investigative reporting by ‘Bivol’: who now find themselves being attacked for reporting corruption here, that links to the highest level of corruption at EU level as well, coz’ they must know by now who they are dealing with and the EU has been informed about so many cases of governMental corruption, but nothing ever changes in well over a decade: indeed, it’s got so bad now, that I’m seriously considering leaving Europe & Europeans to their own evil devices & mental levels of corruption, right to the very top, forever and simply can’t quite decide where next !

Just look at the amount of Nation States that have no US Ambassador, presently & after Ambassador Stevens & Benghazi, is it any surprise that the USA cannot find anybody willing to work for Government ? … not that HRC & Obama ever worried about that aspect of future problems for the nation …

One of the very few credible politicians in the world today. seems to be (at least presently) Imran Khan, somewhat ironically and he is adamant that …

Corruption is the Destruction of Culture …

and thanks to the Bulgarian Irina Bokova @UNESCO, now,
the destruction of culture is legally recognised as a “Terrorist Act”
So, if we were all to agree globally that anybody who propagates or encourages ANY form of Corruption, they are automatically committing a ‘Terrorist Act’, maybe, just maybe many people would begin to understand the damage they have done to their very own Culture, not just other Cultures … itsa’ a stretch of the imagination, but we need a purge on this terror, not some dumbfuck BLiar & Dubya phoney propaganda ‘War On Terror’, for the commercial gain of the military industrial complex … 😉

Let us hope that someone, somewhere begins to understand …

I wish you a good weekend, without corruption, m8.

wardropper
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wardropper

Thanks again, and have a relatively pure weekend yourself, Tim : )

Antonym
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Antonym

No way I want distraction from Luke Rosiak’s interesting interview you posted, thanks!
Didn’t read this Senate hacking plus Wikileaks offering in any media before, neither in the MSN nor here.

Should be big new article series on Off-Guardian.

Antonym
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Antonym

Good to know that the Keystone Corps from the silent movies still lives and is now called the US Capital police.
The NSA was way to busy hacking around the globe to protect their own Senate. Ben Turpin could have blackmailed a few senators or congressmen.

Antonym
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Antonym

Here we saw dozens of articles about the fake Russia-gate (good) but non about the real Pakistan-gate.
Off-Guardian was no different from MSM Guardians…….