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EVENT: 9/11 Perspectives – UPDATED

The 9/11 Perspectives panels are taking place in Zurich on the anniversary, this Wednesday.

THIS EVENT WILL BE STREAMED – SEE DETAILS BELOW

A range of different experts, from contrasting fields, will be attending in person or via live-stream.

Architect Richard Gage, chemistry Prof. Niels Harritt and engineer Jan-André Zaba (among others) will be talking over the physical evidence.

Whilst Dr Daniele Ganser, Dr Piers Robinson and attorney Jane Clark (again, among others) will be discussing the historical, social and legal aspects of the case, including the recent legal breakthroughs for the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry

The full list of speakers and their biographies is available here, with an itenerary and summaries of their chosen topics here (or you can download the programme here).

Tickets are available to purchase here, or on the door.

LIVESTREAM
The event will be streamed beginning at 13:00 (1:00 p.m.) Zurich time (12pm BST; 7am EST). But there is a charge.

To watch live go to the Event Website and click on the ‘Tickets’ button then choose the Livestream option.

We understand a video will be available in due course.

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Portonchok
Portonchok
Sep 10, 2019 5:16 PM

Does anyone know whether this session is being streamed and / or recorded for later viewing?

Wico Valk
Wico Valk
Sep 10, 2019 9:17 PM
Reply to  Portonchok

This is the link to the livestream: https://11september.eu/911-perspectives-live-stream/

ThomPrentice
ThomPrentice
Sep 10, 2019 3:07 PM

This is useless if it is not streamed …

Wico Valk
Wico Valk
Sep 10, 2019 9:19 PM
Reply to  ThomPrentice

The livestream can be found here

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 11, 2019 11:28 AM
Reply to  Wico Valk

Thanks for that link, Wico Valk: you just saved me time at a critical moment, both privately and in registering Historic Events, scientifically …

Just so you know, Wico, I was one of the people calling ‘Foul Outrageous Conspiracy’, from the very first seconds, listening to all the journalism in various languages, as a Media Research & Analysis professional, to the highest level, for the CEO of the biggest corporation in the world at that time … the same corporation that bought ARCO oil & gas & HAARP Tech. with which, one can sound for oil & gas, or engineer the weather & much more … !

WTC 7 was the Target on that day, not least because of the SEC investigation into Enron, Monsanto, GEC and their weather derivative fund management schemes on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange: and then there was the question of the missing US D.o.D $$$TRILLIONS$$$, announced by Rumsfeld the day before: just check all the names of the ‘institutions’ that were located in the WTC 7 building and ask yourself the absolutely bleeding obvious questions, without getting distracted …
Control the Weather, Control Food Supply, Control the World … ! ?
Not rocket science !

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 10, 2019 2:53 PM

“Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9/11 terror attacks, will finally go on trial on Jan. 11, 2021 at the US military base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba” https://nypost.com/2019/08/30/9-11-plotter-khalid-sheikh-mohammed-will-face-trial-in-2021/

Just shy of 20 years later, a trial of 2 Pakistanis, 1 Saudi, 2 Yeminis on a spook place with little access.

Jean Miller
Jean Miller
Sep 10, 2019 7:54 AM

I don’t see Dr Judy Wood’s name on the list! A cynical person ,such as myself, might think that is a deliberate oversight, when one considers her research and work on the collapse of the towers ?

vexarb
vexarb
Sep 10, 2019 8:50 AM
Reply to  Jean Miller

Jean, deliberate omission yes but not oversight. This is a serious meeting about the real causes of the greatest terrorist atrocity in history. The purpose of this anniversary gathering is to consolidate what has been gathered about the real physical means and the real legal implications. It has no room for directed nuclear explosions, laser holograms and similar Science Fictional Distraction.

Jean Miller
Jean Miller
Sep 10, 2019 1:11 PM
Reply to  vexarb

I have read her book very carefully . There are no references to nuclear explosions, laser holograms nor any Science Fictional distractions in her book.

vexarb
vexarb
Sep 10, 2019 3:21 PM
Reply to  Jean Miller

This from Dr.Woods laudable court case against the Bush regime would have been entirely reasonable if only she had only stuck to generalities; because Directed Energy Weapons (in general) include conventional (military grade) NanoThermite Lances of the sort routinely used to bring down high rise buildings including WTC; and the ARA website promotes their expertise in conventional shaped charges aka DEW:

http://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/

“Dr. Wood, concludes from her study, that some type of Directed Energy Weapon was used to destroy most of the WTC buildings. Dr. Wood also points out that Applied Research Associates (ARA) were involved in the production of some aspects of the NCSTAR reports and that they are a manufacturer of Directed Energy Weapons and/or components of same. This therefore would be one example of where there was a “conflict of interest” in producing a truthful report.”

But in her next post Dr.Woods goes far beyond military grade shaped charges, beyond conventional nuclear DEW, even beyond conventional Science Fiction Fantasies; she goes into the realm of modern High Energy Physics — energies which mankind have so far been able to pump into rarefied particles at CERN but have not yet been able to deploy in industrial quantity:

“We stand today at the dawn of an entirely new age. Man has in his hands a method of disrupting the molecular basis for matter and the ability to split the earth in half on a moments notice. … The technology that was demonstrated on 911 can split the earth in half or it can be used to allow ALL people to live happily ever after with free energy.”

http://www.drjudywood.com/wtc/key.html

Vexarb is no Lawyer but he would not wish to call the (in other respects) admirable Dr.Woods as expert witness in a meeting which aims to consolidate sober realistic grounds for a Legal case.

George Robinson
George Robinson
Sep 10, 2019 1:40 PM
Reply to  Jean Miller

Yes indeed Judy Wood’s book “Where Did the Towers Go” represents the most accurate cold-blooded analysis of the destruction of ¼ mile-high towers in just 13 seconds!

Neils Harrit, Richard Gage and Honegger play a useful role by getting newbie members of the public accustomed to disbelieving the official account of 9/11, and in only that sense should their work be welcomed. However these individuals are deeply dishonest and are operating a “limited hangout” by not making the sensible investigative work of Judy Wood available to their audiences.

http://www.drjudywood.com/wp

Jean Miller
Jean Miller
Sep 10, 2019 4:16 PM

Exactly George . There is a deliberate attempt to misrepresent Dr Judy Wood’s meticulous analysis of the data. Her detailed study of the lack of proportional seismic activity in the area at the time the buildings fell, the fact the concrete basin was undamaged, the calculation of how long each floor should have taken to collapse down, whether free fall or pancake. I am no scientist, but having studied the data in the book, I now grasp, the enormity of what must have taken place that day . And those who disparage Dr Woods’ work, without ever addressing the scientifc data she applies, appear have some motive or other?

Ken Kenn
Ken Kenn
Sep 10, 2019 10:39 PM
Reply to  Jean Miller

I have seen a few Judy wood videos and reviews of her book.

There are many interesting theories in what I’ve seen.

One is how much debris was not on the floor ( not necessarily in the basin ) and the picture taken before Building Seven collapsed – so we know the time of the photo.

No scientist as well but a big mystery of the whole affair is how many people were not found ‘ after sifting through the rubble at the Fresh Kills site ?

A thousand plus victims have never been identified even by DNA analysis which is very strange as explosions will explode bodies but not destroy them completely.

If they were destroyed by heat then they must have all died in the same few places.

They should in theory have found the vast majority of victims by DNA analysis.

But they didn’t.

Why coudln’t they find theme?

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Sep 10, 2019 5:06 PM

You’re putting the horse before the cart.

The group gathering in Zurich have discussed couner theories about 9/11 but their PRIMARY objective has been to discredit the official version of events (which was never properly investigated) and then for protagonists to determine in a court of law what the evidence does or doesn’t say about the mass murders that took place on 9/11.

You accuse Harrit, Gage and Honegger of being ‘limited hang outs’ – obvious question, what deeper truth do you think they are trying to hide?

vexarb
vexarb
Sep 10, 2019 6:14 PM

George, “Where Did the Towers Go”? If you really want to know, ask Mayor Giuliani:

vexarb
vexarb
Sep 10, 2019 5:47 AM

Collapse of WTC: after 18 years the Official Story also Collapses

https://russia-insider.com/en/official-story-collapse-wtc-building-7-lies-ruins/ri27585

“The truth rarely if ever convinces its opponents. It simply outlives them”. — Max Planck, physicist.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Sep 10, 2019 8:37 AM
Reply to  vexarb

Brilliant saying from Planck.

lundiel
lundiel
Sep 10, 2019 8:42 AM
Reply to  vexarb

This comment btl of the Russia-Insider article bears repeating as it gives an idea of the scope of suffering that was started with the collapse.

The cost of disclosure would be prohibitive. Providing health care and financial support for the first responders alone is already in the billions and 600 or so of those who were exposed to the controlled demolition dust have already died of cancers. Then there are the families of those killed in the controlled demolition. And then there is the Iraq War for which this “event” so successfully manufactured consent among US citizens and Nato members, 1.5 million Iraqis killed and an estimated nine times as many wounded and maimed for life, the use of napalm on the citizens of Fallujah, the torture of Iraqis, the US bulldozing into pits dead and live Iraqi bodies, the sanctions that caused the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children, the destruction of Iraq’s infrastructure and economy, the looting of artifacts thousands ofyears old from its museums, the contamination of soil and water, the depleted uranium-contaminated US troops and the deformed babies born to them, the veterans’ persistent PTSD problems, the suicides of 22 US veterans a day, the impact of refugees on neighbouring and EU countries, the theft of Iraq’s oil…the list goes on.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Sep 10, 2019 1:23 PM
Reply to  lundiel

When I called 9/11 the greatest crime against humanity in another thread, I was ridiculed and insulted. By people who lack the mental abilities to understand that 9/11 was a SINGLE CRIME and not, like the atrocities of the past the result of geo political short comings, or repeated acts of dictators and their regimes. The slaughter in Rwanda was not a single crime, planned and orchestrated as a pretext to commit more crimes.
9/11 was single biggest crime against humanity. It has not only caused the death of millions of innocent lives and is continuing to do so, and not only destroyed countries based on the lies by the perpetrators that had called for a “NEW PEARL HABOR” in order to wage their war of terror – it has destroyed the rule of international law against such crimes and war crimes, of which the Western regimes are all guilty.

As I stated before on other web sites:

The moment the truth will be revealed about who perpetrated the controlled demolitions of the World Trade Center, that moment martial law will be announced in the U.S. and with the help of the fascist ‘intelligence’ agencies, dissidents in all five eyes countries carted into detention camps.

Because those who gave the orders for this crime and all that followed, will not turn themselves in voluntarily. They control everything. Including, but not limited to the minds of the Western populations, that cannot wake up fast enough to be prepared for what is coming. Fascism does not discuss its crimes and will never bow to the demands for justice. If Bolsonaro can praise Pinochet without consequences, what will be next? That Hitler was a great guy, actually? And the only problem humanity has are Socialists and Communists?

It is impossible to bring fascists to justice if they have the majority support by their populations.

Withnail72
Withnail72
Sep 11, 2019 9:40 AM
Reply to  vexarb

“A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”

FrankSpeaker
FrankSpeaker
Sep 10, 2019 4:17 AM

Wish I’d known about this event earlier and could have planned to attend accordingly.

Karma?
Karma?
Sep 10, 2019 3:13 AM

Logically, 9/11 and the bogus war on terror must now propel a decisive trend, for every government on this planet, to bring accountability to every act of interference and vandalism by the US in every country.

For a starter, every government must keep up-to-date/live registers open to all citizenry to see all details for every act of aggression by the US, whether it economical, political or military [aggression].

If not now then when?

eddie
eddie
Sep 10, 2019 5:30 PM
Reply to  Karma?

Agreed. They immediately lost the good will of many, and have been crapping on the Planet ever since. Many of their innocent victims had a 911 everyday for years.

Ramdan
Ramdan
Sep 10, 2019 12:19 AM

“In 3 days it will be the 18th anniversary of 9/11. What have we learned in these 18 years? We have learned that thousands of experts with hard evidence cannot prevail over a transparant official lie.”

https://www.globalresearch.ca/911-after-18-years-hard-evidence-cannot-prevail-over-a-transparent-official-lie/5688559

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 10, 2019 4:45 AM
Reply to  Ramdan

Nothing ever actually happens unless it’s reported on CNN or Faux News.

Conversely, many things (“Russian meddling”) ONLY happen because they’re reported on CNN or Faux News; their nonexistence in the real world is quite irrelevant.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Sep 10, 2019 1:30 PM
Reply to  Ramdan

The Alaska study was not available in the previous 18 years. Now it becomes apparent that anybody who still goes with the official lie is either part of the criminal cabal, or willfully ignorant beyond any redemption.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 9, 2019 10:18 PM

This ought to be advertised as the master class of our age, more important than anything else currently in the public consciousness, because it looks set to completely destroy the idea that acts of great evil by governments claiming to be civilized were only things that happened in the distant past.

bevin
bevin
Sep 10, 2019 12:28 AM
Reply to  wardropper

” it looks set to completely destroy the idea that acts of great evil by governments claiming to be civilized were only things that happened in the distant past.”
Was not Hiroshima an act of great evil? But perhaps you consider that ‘in the distant past’. Fair enough.
But was not the conspiracy to attack Iraq an “act of great evil by governments claiming to be civilized “?
And is not the Israeli government daily carrying out acts of great evil while pretending to be civilised?
Don’t misunderstand me: you may very well be right about the nature of 9/11. I find your opinions much more likely to be correct than those of officialdom. My problem is with the idea that by proving that the government was implicated in , perhaps directly responsible for 9/11 some immense change to public consciousness will take place. I don’t think it will.
In the battle for public opinion there is no magic bullet, and by far the most important events are those which take place daily in the lives of ordinary people-experience, practice- the business of following matters like Lockerbie, 9/11, or the snipers in Kiev, or the disintegration of the Russiagate stories is a minority taste. Most people don’t have the time or energy to bother much with such matters.

very interestin
very interestin
Sep 10, 2019 4:19 AM
Reply to  bevin

Public opinion has been rendered immutable because there is nothing the governed public can do about illegal, immoral or unconscionable infringements perpetrated against human rights by governing governments, invading forces or hidden Trojans.

When governing or invading governments or their forces or contractors allow, plan, or execute acts or engage programs that do damage to, deliver death to, destroy essential resources of, or destroy essential infrastructure of, or deprive necessities or deny freedoms or otherwise restrict quality of life to those it governs, controls or dictates to, such governments or forces are infringing on inalienable universal human rights. There is no authority on earth high enough to allow that kind of governing behavior.

The lack of response from the public may not be due to public opinion or public indifference. Maybe it is deeper in origin? The problem is there is no responsible way to hold those who govern or those who control humanity by force or law accountable to the governed for behaviors that infringe human rights. Governors or armed controllers use the power of governments to destroy human lives and to deny human rights, and to terminate human lives, and to destroy human health, and to steal the wealth of governed humans.

IMO unless humanity unites to defend itself against infringements of its rights .. nothing will ever change. Maybe a parallel oversight court could operate outside of, and be independent of, all authority or jurisdiction of governing governments or controlling forces. In other words, a court, human rights oversight court (HROC), in which every governed or controlled human is authorized to seek, a HROC warrant, for the arrest and trial of any member of the governing government. That warrant would be issued upon showing that sufficient evidence exist to prove that a human right has been infringed by a member of a governing government or a controlling force.

Empowering every human to seek arrest warrants creates a police force of 8 billion humans. And an executed warrant produces a trial, in the HROC (such court operates independent of the governing government (whatever it is), but the HROC derives it powers from the 8 billion humans on this earth and is superior in authority to all of the governing governments or controlling forces.

HROCs would have limited in jurisdiction: abuses of human rights by persons in privy with a governing government or a group that controls the behaviors of humans. The authority to hear cases, hold trials, and punish any organized infringement of human rights places all who can infringe on notice.. .

If a HROC issues a warrant, the party charged must immediately step down and present themselves to the HROC to answer charges. Chargeable would be the elected, the appointed, the kings and queens, the salaried, the lawyers, the paid members of the media, the bureaucrats, the members of the armed forces, the members of agencies of the governing government, the members of the intelligent services and service contractors, etc. in fact any person in privy to or who is connected with a governing government or a force seeking to control human behaviors would find themselves subject to warrants issued by the HROC. Because the HROC would allow any governed or force-controlled human to seek a warrant in its courts, the HROC would have an 8 billion person strong police force at its disposal.

There should be only two charges possible in HROCs.. violation or, infringement on, the human rights of a governed or controlled person. Infringements of human rights would include corruption, negligence (as in failure to prosecute a failing or crime or a failure to perform a duty or an obligation), conversion, fraudulent use or in human exercise of a governing power and a use of force that results in, or permits, a universal human right to be infringed.

So if an agency, organization or conspiracy were to, plan or engage-in an act that infringes a human rights, no matter where in the world such infringement took place, any governed person could ask the HROC for a warrant to charge, detain, try, and convict those persons in the agency, organization or conspiracy who violated or infringed on human rights. If the court finds the parties guilty, the HROC could ask an assembled jury for a determination on the appropriate punishment.

How could such a court be outfitted with the money and power to operate? One way might be to require each sitting government to deliver 10% of the taxes or other revenue it collects from its governed to the human rights oversight court. The HROC might need an army to enforce its authority, but 8 billion humans insisting on a trial might be sufficient. Some kind of mechanism would need to be worked out to support the financial needs of the court.

The above is just an outline, an example of how human rights might finally be enforced. I believe, anything short of a collective human global solution, operating outside of, and remaining completely independent of, the power elites and their highly controlled governing governments and power hungry corporations will fail to be successful.

Just my suggestion on how human rights could be supported. .

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 10, 2019 4:40 AM
Reply to  bevin

In the battle for public opinion there is no magic bullet, and by far the most important events are those which take place daily in the lives of ordinary people

Undoubtedly true, which is why if it came to be widely understood that the real organizer of the 9/11 event was the US government itself, this would have an enormously greater effect on the consciousness of the citizens of the Empire and its vassal states, than the now openly-acknowledged facts of the origin and conduct of the Iraq war.

For most of them, their degree of ignorance and xenophobia (not to say racism, in many cases) is such that it is hard for them to empathize with darker-coloured foreigners speaking funny languages in countries which they could not locate on a map. If they came to understand that the essential pretext for bombing and killing millions of those foreigners, the murder of 3000 people much more like themselves, was the act of their own government, unpredictable things might begin to happen.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 10, 2019 5:41 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Well said.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 10, 2019 5:27 AM
Reply to  bevin

I get your point, but in fact I think you would probably agree with me that 9/11 was actually a crucial part of the conspiracy to attack Iraq, as well as a part of the reason why Israel gets away with doing whatever it wants.
To the less literate strata of our society, bringing “freedom and democracy” to Iraq and persecuting Palestinians are just more examples of typical uncivilized Middle Eastern politics, and could easily be mistaken for any other horrid conflict over there.
Hiroshima is now widely condemned, but, as you tacitly admit, that too happened before some of our older citizens were even born, and therefore also belongs in the history books to my mind.

9/11, however, is clearly in a league of its own.
It happened on OUR shores, and was therefore even worse than “too close to home for comfort”. After that, what better excuse could we have than 9/11 for attacking several other countries on the phony pretext of a “War on Terror”, not to mention lying to the American people by stating that Bin Laden, or some other evil-doing foreigners from Eastern parts, committed such an atrocity HERE – in Manhattan?

It would take some pretty arcane rocket science today to prove that 9/11 was NOT an inside job, but that is what the evil I am talking about has been trying to do for eighteen years, and I consider the long-premeditated execution of that abominable plan to have reached depths of iniquity which can match anything to be found in the Bible, for example.
It’s one thing when arrogant, greedy or insane rulers like Belzhazzar, Caligula or Mussolini go over the top when it comes to corruption, but when a country like the U.S.A., whose citizens actually think they have a “free” country, goes where Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell, Wolfowitz, Rove and Rumsfeld went, then we have the most unbelievable hypocrisy and deception added to the sheer wickedness of what they did. In fact we need a new definition of what they did – a definition which indicates something even higher than “High Treason”.

I certainly share your scepticism that public consciousness is up to the task of challenging the propaganda of a whole generation, but, on the other hand, just look at what “Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth” had to say today:

“After viewing video footage of the controversial building collapse (Building 7) from four different angles, 52% of Americans who participated in the survey are either sure or suspect it was caused by a controlled demolition, compared to 21% who are sure or suspect it was caused by ordinary fires. A sizable 27% say they don’t know”.

Statistics like that make people sit up and take notice. They are also dramatic enough to encourage people to think to themselves, “You know, those suspicions that I always had about 9/11 are now actually shared with a MAJORITY of Americans, and so people who might once have dismissed my doubts, reservations and hunches as mere conspiracy theory obviously can’t get away with doing that any more.”

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 10, 2019 5:31 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Sorry the above is so long. I don’t like reading long comments myself, but this one just seemed to need to run on until it could paint a reasonably complete picture of what I meant.
Anyway, here’s the link:
https://www.ae911truth.org/yougov?fbclid=IwAR04a3eUZku0vsjjOd3WyB5r3eAc04yF_y2WWKjOcTOpdkNXM2BiJb3MIoA

crank
crank
Sep 10, 2019 9:09 AM
Reply to  bevin

@Bevin,
Is this not a version of the much recycled ‘9/11 research is a distraction’ argument (Chomsky), so often heard on the Left. It rests on the premise that -assuming 9/11 researchers are correct and that the attacks were perpetrated by USG insiders, proxies and ‘allies’- that the events of 18 years ago are in the same category as the others you mention (Iraq, Gaza, Hiroshima etc.).
Part of the argument made by 9/11 researchers and thinkers is that the atrocity of Sept 11th was in a distinctly different category, and should be considered as such. This has far reaching implications for the likely effect of the details reaching public consciousness.
They certainly had an effect on MY consciousness, and that of those I know who have ecnountered them and pondered the implications of them. In short, it has refocused the inquiries of those serious about understanding how power operates.
To paraphrase Peter Dale Scott from some years back at a 9/11 symposium : “This is now the intellectual centre of gravity in the anti-war movement”.

crank
crank
Sep 10, 2019 10:40 AM
Reply to  crank

To illustrate the generally obstructive nature of Left thinkers and commenters on this topic, consider a tweet from Aaron Bastani the other day. He is mocking some Tory’s theories about Corbyn and Brexit:

This is like chemtrails and 9/11 conspiracy theories only for people with a subscription to Countryfile magazine.

This is pretty much how far even the relatively fringe radicals of the Left have gotten with the 9/11 issue.
(There are notable exceptions, but they have been shunned by their comrades).

Vexarb
Vexarb
Sep 10, 2019 12:09 PM
Reply to  bevin

Bevin: “‘Most people don’t have the time or energy to bother much with such matters.”

Been like this throughout our AZC Century of War; read Non-Combatants and Others, written in WW1 by Rose Macaulay. The complacency of the herd does not abrogate the unquiet of potential Leaders to safety: Watership Down is a parable about Kropotkin’s theory of the mutual benefits of Herd Life (safety in numbers) and Herd Leadership (safety through intelligence). Rose was related to Imperialist MP Thomas Macaulay, ‘nd I believe I can see some progress in public awareness from his time to ours. Thomas’s contemporaries thought “it is a good life to rob and pill”. By Rose’s time there was an unease over the mechanised horror of modern warfare, an organised pacifist movement, a call for UN — and even a few outlying voices (Rose Macaulay, Max Beerbohm) venturing to say that Britain’s victory was ruinous for John Bull and not even beneficial to the war profiteer class in the Long Run. Today, after a century of AZC Resource Wars, there is a widespread slogan that “All Wars are Bankers Wars”, a recognition that The Empire is getting poorer and weaker instead of richer and stronger. The slogans of Russia and China are beginning to resonate: “A Multipolar World” and “A Win-win Deal”.

TFS
TFS
Sep 11, 2019 3:51 PM
Reply to  Vexarb

People are swayed into sleepness because the subject area is so large.

People need bite size pieces to digest. I call it the Columbo school of thought ‘Just one more thing….’.

take 9/11:

1. Flight 93 crash in Shanksville. It obviously not the crash sight for the whole plane, the Official Conspiracy Theory is a lie.

Just one more thing…….. and on it goes

Karma?
Karma?
Sep 10, 2019 2:51 AM
Reply to  wardropper

“acts of great evil by governments”

Soaking what we eat in varieties of herbicides, insecticides and pesticides is also a crime against humanity.

These crimes must be stopped, with a system to be implemented to obtain compensation for all the damage that has been inflicted on every individual and every organism.

And, sorry, Karma has proven not to work. People need to work out something more effective to deal with these behemoth crimes.

avivartika
avivartika
Sep 10, 2019 7:00 AM
Reply to  Karma?

“Karma has proven not to work”. This may be true of the short term, but as far as universal functions of karmic retribution are concerned, we are talking about immense periods of time. Karma is not a principle that common mortals can appropriate for the immediate satisfaction of their vengeful craving. This Law is Eternal and Justice will be done – As the sutra states “All curses will return to the originators” The fact is that these evildoers who arouse such outrage in us, are themselves incarcerated in their low life-states of hell, hunger, anger and animality. It remains our objective to protect ourselves from their deep seated urge to destroy everything. I am glad to know that there are so many organisations of dedicated activists who are given solidarity even by those unable to get involved in countering so much mischief that continues to be committed by the powerful elites, who are gradually losing their grip on power. We can now see evidence of this within the seismic shifts that are taking place in politics and economics which are due to bring changes, some of which may pleasantly surprise those who, at the moment, see no hope for the future continuance of life on this planet. One problem is that, mainly due to corporate funded mainstream media, we are bombarded daily, not with actual reality, but with froth, spume, bubbles, foam and heat shimmer, which serves only to fuel the delusionary and reactionary “oratory’ of political figures. What I am in no doubt about, is the truth that you can see straight through all this fabrication – and fortunately, you are not alone.

vexarb
vexarb
Sep 10, 2019 9:16 AM
Reply to  avivartika

@avivartika: ” The fact is that these evildoers who arouse such outrage in us, are themselves incarcerated in their low life-states of hell, hunger, anger and animality.”

This is a good description of Dante’s Inferno, where in ever lower circles the crime itself often sets the environment of the punishment. Down to the Lowest Circle, a frozen wasteland of Treachery where the Devil himself sits together with the damned souls of TB.Liar and other sophisticated Traitors, eternally weeping frozen tears over all the good they might have done with their great gifts: “Lucifer who wert once so fair”. Several circles below the mere primitive Darwinian men of blood like Hitler and his Loyal Liebstandarte thugs.

vexarb
vexarb
Sep 10, 2019 9:04 AM
Reply to  Karma?

Karma, according to my friend who is a Buddhist nun, is commonly misunderstood to mean something like Divine Vengeance or fateful come-uppance. But in Buddhist theology Karma is more like Dante’s Fortuna who “goes blithely about her work, heedless of man’s praise or blame”. In modern terminology, Karma would be something like Newton’s 3rd Law: to every action there is a reaction. Thus Karma is an automatic working out of consequences rather than a divine act of retribution.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Sep 10, 2019 1:41 PM
Reply to  Karma?

Karma does not work based on individual assumptions about how it has to play out. It does not take orders, nor will it follow the same narrowmindedness of those who acted out to trigger it. Everything is Karma, every moment of every day. Rarely is it publizised, if not for it occurring instantaneously for those who perpetrated the biggest crimes.
What if Karma works AFTER you died? Nobody would ever be able to talk about that, correct?

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Sep 10, 2019 1:12 PM
Reply to  wardropper

‘This ought to be advertised as the master class of our age, more important than anything else currently in the public consciousness’ – indeed, wardropper, yet, just like the torture of Julian Assange the event will be completely IGNORED by the MSM who will continue to pretend, as they have for the last two decades, that the ‘2 plane / 3 building’ theory is essentially true.

Gage, Ganser, Harrit, et al, have deconstructed the official version of events many times, so that the only people who believe what the neocons said about 9/11 are the Guardian (and other compliant news outlets) or members of the public who take everything the authorities say at face value.

As much as anything else 9/11 is a prime example of the debasement of main stream news.
In other words thousands of people can be murdered in the heart of a major western metropolis yet ‘journalists’ will still put editorial preferences before reality.
Despite the magnitude of the crime few journalists seem perturbed by offical failings to properly investigate what happened or how the scientific evidence flatly contradicts the way the buildings behaved.
Thats just how it is – 9/11 is the big daddy of lies told by the establishment to rationalise a long running campaign of economic and military violence.

I never tire of watching Nils Harrit spank this young pup from the BEEB for failing to be sceptical about a theory which according to Harrit would have been rejected as a screenplay for a disaster movie (because it is so far-fetched).
So here is prima facie evidence that journalists are prepared to swallow any story, even those that defy logic or the laws of physics presumably because alternative opinions are likely to be career threatening in organisations where groupthink ALWAYS trumps independent thought (from 23:00).

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 11, 2019 10:45 AM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Jesus wept laughing, great link, Harry: that BBC journalist and his utterly dumbed down hearsay, from a female FBI Agent serving under Robert d’Mule Mueller, with zero interest in Justice or any official court proceedings or technical scientific evidence, (just like Russia-Gate), is all worthy of 3 immediate prison sentences and in a field of war, a quick pull on the trigger of an AK47 … 😉 Oh, hang on Harry, we are STILL at war, with STILL most everybody hoodwinked into this New Pearl Harbour BS, phoney “War on Terror”.
Now, there’s a thought, seriously ! Think about it, are we at war or not? Because if so, an entirely different set of Laws & Rules automatically kick in and Traitors can be SHOT !!!
& SHOULD BE !

Journalist ‘knobhead’:- “That’s not what i’ve found … “, (like his pathetic opinion were important, interviewing a scientist!), though he is seemingly completely oblivious to SCIENCE and I particularly loved the bit where the journalist says, after being challenged on the infamous passport …
“I accept it was, it was found afterwards and it would have been, & it was quite possible that it was ejected from the plane.” What a complete dumbed down ‘knobhead’ ! Who will live to regret his scientifically moronic words “WHY NOT, WHY NOT !” coz’ it is obvious that he is scientifically CLUELESS . . . words, that were highlighted by the scientist, so, the journalist completely changed the subject, after the scientist had said to him … (Lol, Lmao, chucklin’ & chokin’ still & scientist laughs too, at the journalist) 🙂 …
“… you would flunk any exam, my friend, even in elementary school, in Physics & Chemistry. This is completely beyond imagination ! “ to which the journoh-oh-oh responds >>> “and ummm … ” (long pause) & then he completely changes the subject, immediately, to Al Qaeda … 🙂

“As much as anything else 9/11 is a prime example of the debasement of main stream news.In other words thousands of people can be murdered in the heart of a major western metropolis, yet ‘journalists’ will still put editorial preferences before reality.”
or science ! Bang on, Harry 🙂 Well almost, Harry, because the reality says to me very specifically & clearly, that all ignoramus led MSM journalist’s egos & self-interest transcend presently, any facts or truths or science & any credible Justice System … Talk about debasement, when the scientist says …

“You are insulting my intelligence, coming up with stuff like that …”
aimed [email protected] & Co. 😉