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EXISTENTIAL STUPIDITY – the “Moron” Meme

Dick Croy

When I wrote my stage play Morons, after availing myself of the abundance of evidence that 9/11 was a false flag operation aided and abetted by rogue elements within our own government.

You’d be correct in assuming that it was my intention to get in the face of as many people as possible, even though the inflammatory title alone would no doubt limit its potential audience – to say nothing of theater companies.

But that didn’t matter, I couldn’t imagine its ever being produced anyway, not in my lifetime.

The point – other than simply ranting to vent my extreme anger and frustration – was to leave something on the record for future generations trying to comprehend how such evil could occur, and be so successfully covered up, in a supposedly well-educated, well-informed nation like the United States; how such a ludicrous patchwork of lies could be accepted as the truth of what had taken place. (Much as many are still trying to get their heads around the self-immolation of the German nation under Hitler.)

But there was another reason for using as the title an epithet that is much heard these days, although I was only vaguely aware of this at the time. Before it became an insult, moron was “a term used in psychology to denote mild intellectual disability,” according to my handy consultant Wikipedia.

And I was grappling with the distressing fact that so many otherwise intelligent Americans were buying into the “official” version of 9/11 sold by government and the media, even though as I had discovered, there was so much evidence available to refute it.

In answer to this conundrum, psychologists weighed in with the concept of “cognitive dissonance.” When people’s basic beliefs are challenged by information that contradicts them, they’ll ignore or disavow the threatening information.

And then there’s brainwave entrainment, which I learned about from an interview between physicist and inventor Adam Trombly and Catherine Austin Fitts, founding editor of The Solari Report and former Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD).

Trombly stated that Germany under Hitler first developed entrainment as an effective technology for mass mind control, by inducing relaxing alpha waves in large groups of people, making them more suggestible.

This is how “they were able to get thousands of soldiers to line up in neat little rows and listen to Hitler blabber for hours…as they stood there in the heat with perfect attention,” he said, adding ominously that the technology was “very, very primitive compared to what we’re seeing today.”

It’s when entrainment is combined with subliminal programming that we can be made to believe that 19 people with box cutters could bring down four commercial jetliners, destroy the World Trade Center and defeat the entire U.S. air defense system.

Many of us of a certain age may remember first hearing about subliminal programming being inserted into TV commercials back in the late ‘50s persuading viewers to buy stuff. There was actually a minor scandal when someone screwed up and inserted too many frames into an ad and people spotted the message.

There was a congressional hearing – but we all know what they’re for. The whole thing blew over and the CIA and political parties jumped on the technology big time.

Now, said Trombley, “It’s the dumbing down of not just the American public, but the world public. It is the intentional dumbing down [my emphasis]. And so, for example, Fukushima Daiichi goes off and everybody says this is like a really bad nuclear disaster, and the Japanese governments is in denial and yet somehow or other, here we are with it going off 24-7 and spewing incredible amounts of radio isotopes into the air and people don’t have the attention for it anymore.”

There is much more in this article from The Solari Report that helps explain the source of what I’m calling existential stupidity, and I urge you to read it if my short and incomplete summary interests you. We need to acknowledge that we’re facing a world crisis, and Catherine Austin Fitts is one of many 21st Century Thomas Paines trying to wake people up.

In my own early efforts I came to realize that “moron” had acquired a special meaning for me. In writing, editing and revising my play, the word came to refer to people of average or, especially, above-average intelligence who nevertheless behave in ways that favor their extinction.

“Morons” by this definition are like winners on the repugnant website Darwin Awards, “who improve our gene pool – by removing themselves from it in the most spectacular way possible –” except that instead of engaging in award-winning fatal behavior, they merely remain lethally passive. As in Edmund Burke’s often cited quotation, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men [and women] do nothing.”

In Morons the following dialogue takes place between ARONSON, a well-traveled rather world-weary middle-aged man and his younger listener:

“Well, think about it. What’s the one make-or-break factor in whether a species survives or not?” (when there is no answer) “Adaptive behavior. How it deals with its environment. Fits into the existing order. That’s what “survival of the fittest” means. And that’s the fundamental measure of intelligence. If we go down, it will be stupidity that does us in.”

To which the other replies, “Existential stupidity. Sounds about right.”

So what I’m attempting in this short piece is to establish a new meme, one that might possibly gain some online traction and make people think. My life partner says I’m too angry; kindness and compassion are better ways to cure society’s ills.

But I believe that anger is essential too when used in attempting to right wrongs and to wake people up. Maybe introducing the concept of “existential stupidity” into our post- 9/11 world will serve a useful purpose. 9/11 should have been our wake-up call, yet most Americans are still asleep and all but refuse to wake up.

Or they choose to see this heinous state crime against humanity as a terrible event in the past, period, rather than a revelatory exposure of ongoing malign forces that continue to threaten the whole world.

Dick Croy is an award-winning screenwriter, novelist and playwright. He was writer and director of The Fourth Dimension, a documentary series of seven 60-minute television specials on the paranormal. His novel The River Jordan, co-authored with the late Henry Burke, was a book-of-the-year nominee in 2001. Fugitive Slave, their contemporary drama portraying the historical spirit of the Underground Railroad, is both an award-winning screenplay and a stage play which has received readings by the Classical Theatre of Harlem and other theater companies.

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Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 26, 2019 11:28 AM

I didn’t look at very many witness testimonies and didn’t realise how funny some of them were. Here’s Cheryl Ryefield, Pentagon public affairs officer with her observations of the Pentagon plane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_qNXipyJUQ

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 26, 2019 11:43 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

In this testimony she first says she was stuck in traffic and shortly after says the traffic was really light. I know I shouldn’t be surprised but even though I came to know it was completely staged just like all the recent bullshit bombings and mass shootings I hadn’t quite recognised how similar it really was. https://hereisnewyorkv911.org/cheryl-ryefield/

Kerry Fritz II
Kerry Fritz II
Sep 24, 2019 5:38 PM

Blame treasonous US voters,
which are the moral minority (33%) of the [email protected]
US is only a CORPORATION (legal fiction).
See 28 USC 3002 Subsection 15 (A) (B) (C) &
re-written Constitution since The Act of 1871

https\://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+act+of+1871
Revelation 2:9 & Revelation 3:9 (listed)
Are Inbred Neanderthals
https://archive.org/details/jewsareinbredneanderthals_201909

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 22, 2019 2:23 AM

It’s the planes, dummy!

Thought I had it all figured out but, of course, I didn’t … and probably still don’t but I’ve made a jump.

The key to understanding 9/11 truth is focus on the planes, not the buildings. The collapse of WTC-7 itself, the various theories of what brought the buildings down: thermite, thermate, nanothermite, directed energy weapons, nuclear and all the rest of it were major distraction away from the planes.

When you figure out the planes, specifically Flights 11 and 175, then you have it pretty much ALL figured out.

If the planes were faked then:
— the buildings obviously didn’t come down by fire
— 265 people of the alleged 3,000 said to have died did not die.

If, right off the bat, 265 of the alleged 3,000 did not die then we have to question why the perps managed to fake the deaths of those 265 but chose not to fake the deaths of the remaining 2,735 when they had complete control of the timing between evacuation and the collapses of the buildings. They managed to do a complete evacuation of WTC-7, why not the twin towers? Wouldn’t they also have managed to ensure the fewest possible people in the buildings in the first place? The planes struck before 9am and I’ve read there were drills on the subway (can’t find source for moment) so, assuming there were only few people in the buildings, the evacuation would not have been so difficult.

— Do you believe that the US government would let citizens die in the twin towers when controlled demolition is so very obvious and they could have easily faked it as they did for the planes?
— Do you believe they would expose themselves to the wrath of the loved ones of those all those people?
— Do you believe that that’s the level of sophistication and the nature of their psyops? That they killed a very significant number of people when they could have faked it?
— Do you believe that if they really had killed 3,000 people, we’d be chewing the fat about it for 18 years online?

Figuring out the planes takes so little effort. It’s mind blowing. I have to take my hat off to the incredible smoke n mirrors job the perps have done. Sure, they’ve learnt from their antecedents but still, it’s amazing.

200 ton airliners do not melt into 500,000 ton steel frame skyscrapers. This is against Newtonian physics. As pointed out by a YouTuber in this clip, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuhNR6lx97E, from one of the films and TV shows presaging 9/11, The Medusa Touch (1978), the plane crashing in the film obeys Newtonian physics much better than Flight 175 melting into the South tower does. In the Medusa Touch, unlike in Flight 175, we see:
— deceleration
— damage to both the building and the plane
— fuel igniting at point of entry without a bizarre delay

For more on 9/11 presages see: https://youtu.be/_AUclXzapJo?t=1215

For more on the planes see https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/four-faked-plane-crashes.html.
But you don’t need to see more. Planes do not melt into buildings. This is against Newtonian physics.

9/11 was the ultimate in the Emperor’s New Clothes. It gets the gold star. Planes do not melt into buildings and steel frame skyscrapers do not come down in a matter of seconds in symmetrical fashion.

Consider the level of dynamism in the following websites:
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth – https://www.ae911truth.org/
Firefighters for 9/11 Truth and Unity (it is alleged that 343 firefighters died) – https://www.ff911truthandunity.org/
Pilots for 9/11 truth – http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

Please give considerable thought to the meaning of the word psyop. It is very important to understand the nature of a psyop.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 21, 2019 5:26 AM

The perps don’t need to employ any special techniques to fool us although perhaps they do employ them occasionally. They’ve been fooling us since at least 1666 (but I’m sure for much longer than that) with EXACTLY the same techniques.

What the perps understand better than the masses is the different “tendency to believe” profiles – and you can see they knew these profiles back in 1666 – see Gloria Moss’s article, The Great Fire of London – Cui Bono? https://off-guardian.org/2019/09/01/the-great-fire-of-london-cui-bono. This is crucial. I don’t know what all the profiles are (although I doubt there are really very many) and perhaps I’m misidentifying them a little but these are the ones I’ve discovered in my five years of studying 9/11 and other staged events:

1. Judge only by the evidence – The rarest profile (which I think I can say I belong to) is complete openness to the evidence and ability to turn on a dime when new evidence contradicts a current belief. People in this profile also judge by ALL the evidence not just some, certainly not individual items. The only person I think I can say I’ve encountered on or offline who also belongs to this profile is Gerard Holmgren who unfortunately died before I became aware of his existence. He was far more learned scientifically and politically than I am and had an incredible understanding of 9/11 from very early on but I think our approaches to evidence is similar. See more on Gerard at my webpage: https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/gerard-holmgren.html

2. Disbelieve by default – A more common profile (maybe a bit under 10% or so of the population) is that of people who, by default, believe nothing from authorities. This includes my identical twin. Ironically, these people can still be manipulated by the perps. Recently, I suspected that the first person to come out and say that the moon landings were a hoax, Bill Kaysing, may have been a CIA plant to get disbelievers-by-default on board with the “moon landings hoax” so that when they came out saying that 9/11 (or other events) was an inside job they would be ridiculed and also tar more evidence-based thinkers with the same brush. So clever, no? See more on this at my webpage: https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/mind-control.html

3. Believe by default – People who believe everything from the authorities regardless.

4. Judge according to beliefs about society – Those who judge by their beliefs about society. I have a friend who I’ve discussed staged events with many times. She gets them, however, her beliefs about society still get in the way. If the event involves a Muslim knifing someone to death she will “see” that it is fake but if it involves police bashing a disabled pensioner then the same hallmarks that indicate the knifing by a Muslim is fake come across to her as “sloppy journalism” even though they cannot fit “sloppy journalism”, they can only fit the deliberate signs they always give us when they’re hoaxing us (eg, nose cone popping out of the other side of the tower on 9/11). Because she has a low opinion of the police, the bashing of the disabled pensioner is a plausible scenario to her and she chooses plausibility to judge rather than the evidence.

5. Plateau at a certain point – Those who get to a certain level of truth and then stop questioning because at this point their beliefs are firmly lodged in their psyche and they will not be moved from them. This includes a very large number of truthers as evidenced on this site. The perps have done a great job here. Hats off. “9/11 controlled demolition truth” was planned as part of the psyop along with many other forms of propaganda. Propaganda can be the absolute truth but the truth can be mixed with lies to fool people and it can also be used as major distraction. The perps have us all focused on controlled demolition and bring in their disinformation “loved ones” and Family Steering Committee who seemingly call out the completely bogus 9/11 Commission to ensure we keep believing in the death and injury lie. While truthers are brandishing the truth of “controlled demolition” in the one hand and the lie of “staged death and injury” in the other they will get nowhere as non-truthers simply will not accept that the US government would have killed those people in the buildings … and they are correct in their non-acceptance! The US government would never have killed those people as it’s not their MO. They pride themselves on psyopping us and they absolutely didn’t need to kill people for real for their terror story. They really couldn’t have done it for real in any case. Real loved ones would have gone absolutely nuts and they needed to involve too many people. It frustrates me that truthers call 9/11 a psyop and yet think that 3,000 people were killed while some even think the planes were real. My goodness. 200 ton airliners do not melt into 500,000 ton steel frame buildings. But the perps knew in advance that convincing truthers that no one died would be next to impossible and that people 18 years on would still believe in real planes despite the evidence from numerous angles there were no plane crashes.

6. Hold certain things as sacred – I am friends with someone personally connected to Julian Assange. When I discovered that Chelsea Manning was an intelligence asset and the Collateral Murder video was fake I tried to tell him and a number of other connected people. No one wants to know that truth – it is astounding how I’m completely ignored on this subject. We can’t have Julian being a dupe of the power elite. Not that he was the only one – the information is readily available to everyone on the planet and I wish I’d recognised it sooner. You will never get to the truth if you have a problem with what the truth actually is and if you don’t want to recognise being duped. For more on Chelsea: https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/wikileaks-controlled-opposition.html

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Sep 16, 2019 4:13 PM

When Charles de Gaulle returned from John Kennedy’s funeral he shared some observations with one of his assistants who later shared them publicly. He stated that he knew the CIA and U.S. Military were the assassins, but he predicted that the American people didn’t have the stomach to pursue the truth.

Of we Americans he stated: (“They don’t want to know, they don’t want to find out, they won’t let themselves find out.”)

Truer words were never spoken and they apply every bit as much to the 9/11 false flag operation as to Kennedy’s assassination so many years ago.

As historian and social critic Daniel Borstin observed of the American public back in 1961 – even before Kennedy’s murder – (“citizen-consumers are daily less interested in whether something is a fact than in whether it is convenient that it should be believed.”)

crank
crank
Sep 16, 2019 3:40 PM

This is another essay founded upon,

…the abundance of evidence that 9/11 was a false flag operation aided and abetted by rogue elements within our own government

…but also another that doesn’t ask, ‘which rogue elements are responsible?’ What is their motivation? what (if any) are their unifying ideas ? ‘The Neocons are the prime suspects’ people answer, so are they best understood as ‘American imperialists’ or as ‘Israel First American Jews’? [hint: read about Irving Kristol]
Caitlin Johnstone tweets:

“Why doesn’t the left look at Israel exactly the same as every other country, hmmmmmmm?” Because it isn’t the same as every other country. It plays a crucial role in the empire’s geostrategic maneuverings in the Middle East. It’s not about Jews or Judaism, it’s about imperialism.

This assumes a dichotomy between ‘imperialism’ and ‘Jews or Judaism’. Maybe some are motivated by both?
Gilad Atzmon writes,

Every so often we hear from one Torah rabbi or another that “Zionism is not Judaism.” Those who have reached this point surely grasp that ‘Zionism vs. Judaism’ is a fake dichotomy.’

Israel is now a deeply theocratic state, the term ‘zionism’ is regarded as archaic in Israel.
Someone on twitter (not to me) : ‘Marxists hate Israel you fucking moron’.
Yet if we bother to read some history, Moses Hess was a key teacher of Karl Marx and a key founder of Zionism. USSR was an early supporter of Israel. These, and other awkward historical facts are why 9/11 is uncomfortable territory for the anti-war Left.

Graft
Graft
Sep 16, 2019 7:22 PM
Reply to  crank

At the time Zionism didn’t hold the same connotations as today and Stalin regretted supporting the early stolen state. And Karl Marx wrote an essay called the Jewish question warning is about the likes of Moses Hess etc

crank
crank
Sep 16, 2019 8:27 PM
Reply to  Graft

The Irgun were formed in 1931. It was pretty clear that Zionism had its roots in ethno-nationalism from just about all its writings before their appearance. Although it was arguably a decidedly different strain, Labor Zionism was responsible for the Nakba. Hess is regarded as the founder of Labor Zionism.
Marx wrote a book (Die Duetsche Ideologie) with the ‘father of German Communism’ Moses Hess (who is credited with converting Engels to Communism), but later diverged with him.
Seeing as the Neocons were many of them ‘Trotskyists’ before becoming ‘American conservatives’, it is worth asking how these professed allegiances and intersections of ideologies interact with each other.
If Johnstone and others are to write such things, they owe their readers (and themselves) a deeper education in the history of the political movements they mention and how they relate to Jewish identity and Israel.

crank
crank
Sep 16, 2019 8:52 PM
Reply to  crank

As a perfect accompaniment to Caitlin Johnstone’s tweet, consider this from Tulsi Gabbard, the darling of the anti-war Left and the ‘patriotic’ Right:

Trump awaits instructions from his Saudi masters. Having our country act as Saudi Arabia’s bitch is not “America First.”

-in response to developments in KSA.
It is OK on the Left to accuse Saudi Arabia of being Trump’s ‘masters’ but not to make an exact parallel accusation about Israel [imagine the words changed]. To imply that the imperial power relationship between Saudi Arabia and Washington is inverted is alright, to say the same about Israel is ‘antisemitic’ and would leave someone like Tulsi exposed to accusations of far right conspiracy theory from Left commenters.
It is the clearest of clear double standards.
It is also a complete inversion of the situation, as Trump is surrounded by IsraelFirst ethno-supremacists.
This is what 9/11 could teach us, if we went further than the superficial.

Bandit
Bandit
Sep 16, 2019 12:14 PM

Finally, someone is getting to the core of the problem:, ” How can so many people be so stupid as to believe the official narrative? However, I think “Existential Ignorance” would be more appropriate for a meme. The reason is the deliberate act of ignoring the evidence that contradicts the official narrative is willful, not stupid. The question should be, “How can so many people willfully ignore the credible evidence that proves that the destruction of the the three towers was an inside job?”

As you point out, many of these people are intelligent and educated, and fundamentally capable of discerning fact from fiction, so why would they diverge so dramatically? At this point one can explore the psychological dynamics that come to bear on the individual who is basically under attack by the full weight of government and media disinformation, and who suffer “cognitive dissonance” as a result. Thus, they simply surrender to the official narrative.

I think that the JFK assassination should be referenced as the first major test, by the government and the media, to force the acceptance of the official narrative. From that event, they learned that it is relatively easy to rob the individual of rational, critical thinking. Now imagine that the government has had 50 years to develop and refine psychological weapons of mind control that influence every aspect of a persons life. And this may explain why it is so easy for the government to force the official narrative on a somnolent and conditioned populace.

ANDREW CLEMENTS
ANDREW CLEMENTS
Sep 18, 2019 11:03 AM
Reply to  Bandit

If Noam Chomsky doesn’t care ……..https://youtu.be/rIOA8Cyc4_Y

ANDREW CLEMENTS
ANDREW CLEMENTS
Sep 18, 2019 11:27 AM
Reply to  Bandit

“I think that the JFK assassination should be referenced as the first major test, by the government and the media, to force the acceptance of the official narrative”
Doesn’t help when this guy disagrees https://youtu.be/rIOA8Cyc4_Y

Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Sep 16, 2019 8:43 AM

I don’t see what’s repugnant about the Darwin Awards. It’s certainly better than the so called Nobel Peace Prize, the qualification for which entails being a war criminal or an enabler of war criminals.

ANDREW CLEMENTS
ANDREW CLEMENTS
Sep 18, 2019 11:15 AM
Reply to  Jihadi Colin

Social Darwinism aka eugenics no better than enablers of war
just another suit in the wardrobehttp://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/connections/535eee377095aa0000000259#!

ANDREW CLEMENTS
ANDREW CLEMENTS
Sep 18, 2019 11:45 AM

Darwins original book title was
THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES
BY MEANS OF NATURAL SELECTION
PRESERVATION OF FAVOURED RACES IN THE STRUGGLE
FOR LIFE
as Michael Cain would say , “Not a lot of people know that”

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 16, 2019 6:29 AM

Dick Croy says it all, superbly . . .

Existential Stupidity by morons in government science & academia, let alone society.

Art that mocks, energises our deliverance from evil intelligence, with plain denial & Just Anger.

Sincere thanks,
Tim

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Sep 15, 2019 11:12 PM

Thank You from the bottom of my heart. The heart of a true Don Quijote. Riding against the windmills of stupidity for half a century. They are so evasive. Perfectly evasive. My Rosinante is as tired as I am after all these years. My friends say ‘tranquilo, tranquilo’, but there are so many mills and so little time left…

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 15, 2019 9:52 PM

This article is excellent stuff.
There is no lack of people who can see exactly what is wrong today, but a serious shortage of people who have some idea of what can be done about it.
Many people experience the anger mentioned here, but it is exactly that anger which is removed from public discussion about the monstrous political acts performed upon us today.
Anger is politically incorrect, of course, and that is why I reckon it might be a good idea to cultivate it anew.

Igor
Igor
Sep 15, 2019 11:32 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Righteous anger is not a vice. The “hater” meme is designed to crush righteous indignation and anger.
“Hater” is a modern “Hitler”, designed to block rational debate and discussion. “Denier” is another.

hollyPlastic
hollyPlastic
Sep 16, 2019 12:04 AM
Reply to  wardropper

“Anger is politically incorrect”

The current designs enforced on the society leaves just one with few options to deal with anger. The new conditions convinces you that only a small minority is ‘angry’.

Effective remedies, according to the Establishment, are to change your thinking (very much like The Guardian), or you cocoon yourself in a cage built with ‘anti-depressants’.

Hardheaded and still no cure?
Well, the ‘Justice’ system offers you ‘HM Prison Belmarsh’.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 16, 2019 12:27 AM
Reply to  hollyPlastic

Well said. And Igor too.

RobG
RobG
Sep 15, 2019 9:14 PM

The Salisbury poisoning, followed by the Amesbury poisoning (the Russians did it!) were so obviously ridiculous and false flags that it’s absolutely gobsmacking that so many people buy into such nonsense; but they do. The biggest nonsense of all, of course, was 9/11.

I don’t agree with “existential stupidity”; more, that fear is what controls most people, and that’s an easy one to spin.

Starac
Starac
Sep 16, 2019 11:55 PM
Reply to  RobG

Fear is just one of the factors which contribute to existential stupidity.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Sep 15, 2019 9:14 PM

The United States of America was sanctioned for their Controlled Demolition of WTC 1 & 2 plus Building 7 when upon exit from office we evidenced Bear Stearns being murdered outright by
naked short selling of Bear stock right when George W. Bush & his Torture Regime of Neocons & seriously mentally disturbed CIA contractors decided that they should receive medals of honour for their combined disservice to humanity as they exited helmsman status thinking that Dr. Alan Greenspan had everything under control with respect to the macroeconomic landscape.

George W. Bush was literally forced to exit the highest public office in the land with the dishonour he deserved & the worst macroeconomic crash since the Great Depression. This signified to the entire world that the United States of America was indeed bankrupt & insolvent just as all the top marquee Bank Holding Companies had to rush to Congress in order to fellate the old bulls in both houses enough to squeeze $800 billion out of the old anal retentive bastards that occupy the seats of institutional incompetence that have managed to throw Casino Capitalism out-the-window for the ever popular Keynesian stimulus Quantitative Easing regime that is currently destroying all the gains that the elite text book Psychopaths in the George W. Bush Terror Regime made during their tenured debauchery & psychopathy run amok to eviscerate the future for the entirety of America as a continent.

Not even the prince of darkness himself could extricate George W. Bush from his certain fate in perdition for his leadership with regard to the mass murder of thousands of Americans and other nationalities.

George W. Bush mistakenly thought that no individuals in this world were capable of taking down the entire Western Banking System and the security apparatus that supports people like George W. Bush to commit genocide on an international scale.

Boy was he wrong let me assure all!

WELCOME to the New World Disorder, Dubya!

🙂

MOU

axisofoil
axisofoil
Sep 15, 2019 8:16 PM

Anger should be a staple, outrage a norm. If it was so, these events might very well be reduced if not eliminated entirely. Imagine a world intolerant to the machinations of psychopaths. There might actually be peace.
Voices of reason are silenced by manipulating the apathetic indifference of the tolerant. We the people bare the shame.
https://chazzsongs911.blogspot.com/2006/05/venezuelan-government-to-launch.html

George Cornell
George Cornell
Sep 15, 2019 8:14 PM

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mad-magazine-effectively-close-67-years-1222636

Proof that satire is no longer possible comes with the news that the beloved magazine Mad ceases print publication of new material this month. It was said that it was not possible to come up with material to compete with the daily absurdities of the Trump administration.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 15, 2019 8:43 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

Tom Lehrer, the satirical songwriter, said he stopped the moment Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize, after which it was clear that satire was dead.

Karl Kraus, the Viennese satirist, stopped just when you would expect him to go into overdrive i.e. when the Nazis came. Perhaps he too, realised that these events were beyond satire because they were already a satire on themselves.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Sep 15, 2019 8:48 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Quite so.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 15, 2019 9:53 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

I would still prefer to see Mad Magazine repeat itself frequently, rather than give up.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Sep 15, 2019 10:27 PM
Reply to  wardropper

That is what they are going to do, just no new material and no newsstand copies, as I understand it.

Dismembered Body Editor: (Lower Half)

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 15, 2019 10:30 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

Thanks George.
It’s been a while since I did any “Mad” research… : )

Jen
Jen
Sep 16, 2019 12:10 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

To be honest, I can’t see how Mad Magazine can say they can’t come up with material to compete with the Trump administration when they were able to compete with 12 years of Bush pere et fils (if not simultaneously) and 8 years of the Obama administration. After all, many of the same parasites who infested George W Bush’s administration are being put through their paces in Trump’s real-life version of his “The Apprentice” television show.

But I doubt that it was Mad Magazine’s decision to pull the plug: it is owned by DC Comics and it is DC Comics’ decision to close it down. My guess is that DC Comics is having problems promoting its product in comics and films and is cutting corners everywhere to shore up its failing core business. (Rebooting the concept behind major comic characters and changing their histories from one narrative to its polar opposite every few years – are the Olympic Games coming around again? must be time for another reboot! – does not help.)

George Cornell
George Cornell
Sep 16, 2019 12:21 AM
Reply to  Jen

Actually I’m not sure Mad said that but others have. But former staffers have been interviewed. The antipathy to Trump is so high any excuse to blame him is seized upon.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 16, 2019 12:27 AM
Reply to  Jen

Washington DC Comics ?

M-utually A-ssured D-estruction,

No laughing matter …

F.J.Roosevelt
F.J.Roosevelt
Sep 15, 2019 4:09 PM

And it is the likes of us, that question the narratives imposed by corrupt power, dirty money and perverse vanity, that are branded as “useful idiots”

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Sep 15, 2019 3:49 PM

“No one understood better than Stalin that the true object of propaganda is neither to convince nor even to persuade, but to produce a uniform pattern of public utterance in which the first trace of unorthodox thought immediately reveals itself as a jarring dissonance.”
~ Alan Bullock, in Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives

However, I also feel to look at what its effects are in our mind, our worldview, or literally our experience of ourself and our world.

Crying ‘wolf!’ can be falsely manipulated. Such that no one believed the manipulator. If however, they also have a big stick and we don’t, then we may choose to avoid the stick by whatever degree of compliance and conformity feels necessary – or even fetching the stick for the master in order to prove loyalty or seek favour.
Cognitive dissonance is a psychological defence.
It easy to see the light switch when the light is on.
Not so easy to see what could unravel your world.

But there is another way of looking at our life ‘in the world’ – what if it is maintained upon a lie defended against exposure – as in the ‘presumption of the judgement of good and evil’? And that a deep sleep fell on Adam who hasn’t yet woke up?

In this sense I invite considering anything and everything in our life experience as a messenger of our Soul or ‘lost wholeness of being’ – to the reintegration or awakening from a true foundation.
For it is my conviction the the ‘lie’ would unravel without ingenuity of deceit employed or applied for its sustainability and recycling. The lie being revealed by what we are not allowed to bring into open awareness and sharing without penalty or persecution because it is given power to ensure our own protection.

I write this also because the idea of apocalypse is a revelation of truth through the raising of unconscious deceits to awareness – and not a punishing damnation for the Living. It is the lie that lacks true sustenance and so it must project its conflict as a frame of division to accuse itself in others and draw power for vengeance from worshipped grievance. This propagates fear and hate under a mask of plausible deniability – but when the mask disintegrates – the underlying device of sustainability is revealed to be for a private agenda of toxic debt set against wholeness.

One can respond as ‘He who must not be named is back!’ – or that the deceiver can no longer mask in a fair-seeming presentation. I read (Corbett report) a quote that said the CIA’s task is complete when nothing the public believes is true. But what if its role is over when nothing it does or says is given allegiance of belief?

These choices are not about others, but addressing our own accepted self-recognition – from which we relate, perceive, interact and respond. Everyone teaches, all the time, by every thought and act, and everyone learns from what they teach – and seeks to share it as the world they meet through.

Everyone teaches the world they believe is real. I see that we can be deceived and so I learn to listen beneath or prior to the manufactured mind and trust the freedom of being myself – resonates to others who of course are in their own unfolding experience.

Such events can open a can of worms in our own heart and mind that will destroy our peace – or deny our right to come back into our peace. Regardless who did what – we are the ones we have to live with, and cannot always get answers or justice or even understanding. But we live this day – and give it the purpose and focus and meaning that we strengthen and grow by sharing it.

Evil contains the seeds of its own destruction, but are we inextricably dragged down with it?

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Sep 15, 2019 3:19 PM

Calling people names and pushing memes is hardly the way to educate.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 15, 2019 2:58 PM

I don’t even think you have to bring in brainwave entrainment. Those (most of us? probably all of us) who were raised in a consumer capitalist society are conditioned since birth to pay for services which, in previous societies, were carried out directly by those who needed them e.g. we buy food, drink, clothes etc. – all of which are manufactured elsewhere. We even buy entertainment. Thus our attitude towards all these things becomes completely passive.

On the other hand, most who work do not get the direct benefit of their work i.e. they work for pay while their boss makes a profit. Ironically even the boss doesn’t necessarily use the goods produced. It’s all for monetary profit. Thus we are passive in our leisure time and passive in our working time. It’s a kind of zombie culture.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Sep 15, 2019 11:17 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I just read ‘entertrainment’. That’s pretty close, isn’t it?

Igor
Igor
Sep 15, 2019 11:51 PM
Reply to  George Mc

No woo woo needed. Human psychology. Members of cults will endure hours of discomfort listening to their Dear Leader ramble on. No one wants to be the first to break ranks. Group behavior. Very few will say the emperor has no clothes, or that the emperor is talking nonsense.
Now imagine a super cult formed from a large group of persons with no idea that they are in a cult. That is modern society. Not many think of ever breaking away. And those that do are marginalized, becoming “non-persons”.
The USA is both the Third Reich and the Soviet Union simultaneously. Schrodinger’s nation.

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 15, 2019 2:50 PM

Did the US have to knock itself in the teeth to attack Afghanistan or Irak? They even had to invent WMD for the latter.

9/11 could also have been the result of Murphy’s law.

What is moronic that no sleeping officials have been sacked or jailed for negligence.

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 15, 2019 5:50 PM
Reply to  Editor

If even the NSA had no advance warning on 9/11 and evacuated for a possible airliner attack on fort Meade, than only the actual perps knew:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/15/edward-snowden-on-911-and-why-he-joined-the-army-now-finally-there-was-a-fight

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 16, 2019 11:03 AM
Reply to  Antonym

This made Snowden a reliable eye witness to a vital 9/11 clue, IF one is open to new info !!

vexarb
vexarb
Sep 15, 2019 6:34 PM
Reply to  Editor

“Criminal” negligence? Like General Arik Sharon in Israeli-occupied Lebanon, who was so Criminally negligent that the General not only did not act to stop a massacre but had his men light flares that helped the massacre continue into the night. The action of these top Defense Executives in the Bush regime named above (ChainGang, RummyLot, WolfoSchlitz) was Criminal negligence similar to that of General Sharon. At the very least, in a Court of Law, these men could be charged with Criminal negligence; but more reasonably, with conspiracy to harm the realm they had sworn to defend.

hollyPlastic
hollyPlastic
Sep 15, 2019 2:49 PM

“It’s the dumbing down of not just the American public, but the world public. It is the intentional dumbing down”

That’s an important reason for ignoring/blocking/boycotting Controlled Corporate Mass Media.

Those who could not see the dumbing down was deliberate, [they] need new sensors to replace the damaged ones.

hollyPlastic
hollyPlastic
Sep 15, 2019 2:33 PM

Nice flowing writing by Pepe Escobar:

“According to the official narrative, the Boeing 757 literally pulverized itself. Yet even after pulverization, it managed to perforate six walls of three rings of the Pentagon, leaving a two-meter wide hole in the last wall but only slightly damaging the second and third rings. The official narrative is that the hole was caused by the plane’s nose – still quite hard even after pulverization. Yet the rest of the plane – a mass of 100 tons travelling at 800 kilometers an hour – miraculously stopped at the first ring.

“All that happened under the stewardship of one Hani Hanjour, who three weeks before had been judged by his flight instructors to be incapable of piloting a Cessna. Hanjour, nonetheless, managed to accomplish an ultra-fast spiral descent at 270 degrees, aligning at a maximum 10 meters above ground, minutely calibrating the trajectory, and keeping a cruise speed of roughly 800 kilometers an hour.

https://www.sott.net/article/420210-We-Are-All-Hostages-of-9-11

“At 9.37am, Hanjour hit precisely the Pentagon’s budget analysts’ office, where everyone was busy working on the mysterious disappearance of no less than $2.3 trillion that Defense Secretary Donald “Known Unknowns” Rumsfeld, in a press conference the day before, said could not be tracked. So, it’s not only Boeings that get pulverized inside the Pentagon.

“World public opinion is also directed to believe that Newtonian physics was suspended as a special bonus for WTC 1 and 2 on 9/11 (not to mention WTC 7, which was not even hit by any plane). The slower WTC tower took 10 seconds to fall 411 meters, starting from immobility. So it fell at 148 kilometers an hour. Considering the initial acceleration time, it was a free fall, not the least impeded by 47 massive, vertical steel beams that composed the tower’s structural heart.

World public opinion is also directed to believe that United Airlines Flight 93 – 150 tons of aircraft with 45 people, 200 seats, luggage, a wingspan of 38 meters – crashed in a field in Pennsylvania and also literally pulverized itself, totally disappearing inside a hole six meters by three meters wide and only two meters deep.”

Guy
Guy
Sep 15, 2019 6:32 PM
Reply to  hollyPlastic

Your posts are gems .Thank you.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Sep 15, 2019 11:25 PM
Reply to  hollyPlastic

This is the only way to talk about it. Like a stand-tall comedian. I get carried away when attempting to do that – either my sarcasm boils over, which could be interpreted as tasteless in the face of so many that had to day that day and are still dying from the ‘collateral’ part of the story, or I get into details that are so profound that they are like a full convention of 800 pound Gorillas in a London flat on Bethnal Green Road.

But I come to realize that the only way to transcend this psychopathy of epic proportions is via sarcasm and acid satire. Thank You very much.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 15, 2019 1:15 PM

False flag or (complete) psyop? A false flag is generally understood to be an act committed by one group who contrive to make others appear responsible, usually with the intention of using the false claim as a basis to go to war and/or with other ulterior motives.

In the film, Allied, based on real life, the Germans used a spy to collaborate with the Allies in staging an attack which resulted in the assassination of a German ambassador that Hitler wanted rid of. In this event, the Germans were the covert engineers of the killing where they both:
— achieved the assassination of one of their unwanted own
— successfully blamed the killing on the Allies

This can be judged to be a false flag in that both an act was committed and the other side was blamed, however, it is not what we might call a classic false flag as it was, in fact, the Allies who, in the main, performed the act. The Allies were also happy – perhaps even proud – to take responsibility for it while being oblivious to being engineered into it. Additionally, the event was an end of itself – it was not used as a pretext for something else, a usual characteristic of what we understand a false flag to be.

Let’s take another example.

The Gulf of Tonkin false flag that precipitated the Vietnam War was simply based on false claims. The first was that on August 2, 1964, North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an “unprovoked attack” against a US destroyer on “routine patrol” when the attack was, in fact, provoked and the second was that on August 4 the North Vietnamese launched another attack. This was a simple lie.

While the two examples above fit our understanding of a false flag to some degree in different ways, neither of them fits very well.

Let’s look at another source of confusion with nomenclature: the synonymous use of false flag and psyop (psychological operation). The term psyop refers to covert operations carried out by intelligence services to persuade us of falsities in one form or another, not necessarily of the commit-an-act-blame-it-on-another type. The above two examples clearly fit the term “psyop” in that dissembling occurred while they are not examples of our general understanding of a false flag in that they did not clearly involve a group committing an act and blaming it on another.

We have to wonder how many events labelled false flag properly fit “act committed by one group who contrive to make another group appear responsible.” Could all events labelled false flag not, in fact, fit the typical understanding of the term and should we consider abandoning this misleading term dating from ancient times and perhaps just stick to psyop as psyop always fits perfectly, no matter what the individual characteristics of the event.

Let’s consider 9/11.

We know, of course, that 19 terrorists armed with boxcutters did not hijack four airliners, nor contrive to bring down three buildings by crashing two of the airliners into two of them. We know that airliners do not melt into buildings just as we know that high rise steel frame buildings do not collapse to the ground in symmetrical fashion in a matter of seconds from fire. These are physical impossibilities.

The 9/11 plane crashes and building collapses from fire may well be the greatest cases of the Emperor’s New Clothes the world has ever known.

In the case of 9/11, if we look closely at the sense of “one group committing an act and blaming it on another” the acts didn’t happen at all. It wasn’t a case of the perpetrators committing acts and blaming them on another. The acts that actually were committed had nothing to do with the acts blamed.
— No one was armed with boxcutters and no hijackings took place
— No planes crashed into the twin towers meaning that neither their collapses nor that of WTC-7 nor any deaths and injury could have occurred incidentally
— No plane crashed into the Pentagon resulting in damage to the West Wing
— No plane crashed in a field

The major acts that did take place were these:
— Three buildings at the World Trade Centre were deliberately made to collapse by controlled demolition
— The West Wing of the Pentagon was damaged using a controlled method
— Many drills were conducted

So if, in general, the acts committed had nothing to do with the acts blamed should we not question all parts of the “blamed acts” story. The “false flag” label inclines us away from questioning the claim of death and injury whereas “psyop” better includes that possibility. 9/11 was a psyop – nothing about 9/11 was what it seems in any shape or form. It was all smoke’n’mirrors. What good reason do we have to believe the “3,000 deaths and 6,000 injuries” claim without investigation? Right off the bat, we know, in fact that the claim is false because 265 of the 3,000 could not possibly have died in the faked plane crashes so we might ask whether whatever they did to fake those 265 deaths could they not also have done for the remaining 2,735. Shouldn’t we be examining the evidence provided for these deaths? If we’re not, is it because questioning stated deaths is considered a too taboo and sensitive subject and if that is the case should we allow ourselves this luxury when the truth of 9/11 is so important?

We also might consider whether the perpetrators would actively not want death and injury for real even if, for example, they had no personal concern about the victims. I’d argue an emphatic yes. People who might normally not pay much attention to the ludicrous anomalies in the 9/11 story will transform into super sleuths and will fight to their deaths for truth and justice when a loved one is killed. An army of loved ones rattling the gates is not a happy scenario for the perpetrators. One of the most important things in psyops is control of the story and loved ones of those murdered running amok is not compatible with “control of the story”.

If killing and injuring for real would result in an unhappy scenario for the perps the obvious question is: did they have to do it for real? Are their skills and experience in duping us up to persuading us that 19 terrorists armed with boxcutters performed physically impossible feats but not up to persuading us of the deaths of 3,000 and injury to 6,000? After all, we know the power elite’s experience in psyops dates at least as far back as the Great Fire of London in 1666 as explained in Gloria Moss’s fascinating article, The Great Fire of London – Cui Bono? https://off-guardian.org/2019/09/01/the-great-fire-of-london-cui-bono. Was 9/11 a proper psyop where they duped us with all their claims or was 9/11 what is classically understood as a false flag where the most serious “act” of killing and injuring is actually committed by the perps while being blamed on the 19 terrorists?

Although the perps had complete control of the timing of evacuation of the twin towers prior to their collapses, a complete evacuation would not have suited their terror story at all so the storyline had to include “incomplete evacuation”. They needed a decent number of dead and injured and I think we can safely infer they had planned the 3,000 dead figure and how this number would be split among the different planes and buildings in advance. No deaths or injuries were assigned to WTC-7 which can probably be explained by the fact that it didn’t figure in the terror storyline and so in its case the reality and storyline of “complete evacuation” matched. It is very perturbing to think that if the “3,000 dead, 6,000 injured” claim part of the story was not simply a mini-concoction within the whole, that the perps simply let the people die and be injured to maximise the terror of their story when we know they are expert at duping us and could have faked it instead as they did for the 265 plane passengers. If they did simply let them die and be injured, however, questions arise:

— How did they ensure that the “right” number of people would be in the buildings before their collapses?
— Did they implement a particular evacuation regime in order that the designated number for the terror story remained in the buildings between evacuation of the last person and the building collapses? Who would have been responsible for implementing this grim Sophie’s Choice scenario?
— In 12 second collapses there would be very few survivors so we have to wonder what caused injury to 6,000 people and how did they know what kinds of injuries would result for these people? How would they manage queries from this significant number of injured people over time as controlled demolition became more obvious?

What puzzles me is why, into a massively concocted story, you would introduce a real element whose reality you have no desire for and that significantly compromises highly-desired control of the operation when you can so easily fake it – just as you have all the other confected parts. Isn’t that antithetical to the principles of a psyop? Of course, if you want death as was wanted in the Allied case above and in the case of political assassinations then, of course, you make it happen but if you don’t want 3,000 dead and 6,000 injured and you can fake it why would you do it for real?

We must also consider the people who needed to be involved in this operation and how ready they would be to participate in this monstrous mass murder. We can see from analysis of the dialogue snippets below that Brian Williams and David Restuccio knew what was going on as they let us know with some clues. How many people, like them, were in the know and can we credit all these people being AOK with the cold-blooded and callous killing of 3,000 of their fellow citizens … and even let us know with little clues into the bargain?

Conversation between Brian Williams, MSNBC News Anchor and David Restuccio, FDNY EMS Lieutenant about WTC-7, the third building to collapse at the WTC on 9/11, after its collapse:

“Can you confirm that it was No 7 that just went in?” [“Went in” is a term used in controlled demolition that comes from the fact that the buildings fall in on themselves.]
“Yes, sir.”
“And you guys knew this was comin’ all day.”
“We had heard reports that the building was unstable and that eventually it would either come down on its own or it would be taken down.”

It is the 18th anniversary of 9/11. When is a thorough investigation of the very significant claim about death and injury going to happen?

For more on the 9/11 propaganda strategy to persuade us of death and injury, the plane crashes, the collapse of WTC-7 and the twin towers magic dust visit my 9/11 webpage https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/911.html

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 15, 2019 11:27 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Blow me down, talk about ‘Confusion’ (& controlled opposition?), you have turned the art of splitting hairs with Occam’s razor into a whole new genre and a level of hair raising styling & mis-representation, that makes ole’ Flaxgirl look like a complete novice, as controlled opposition, compared to your good new self … 🙂
Has Flaxgirl got the sack ? (or lost the will … ?) or re-Vamped herself ?
That’s rhetoric …

Either way, truly not important: what is important is that you Petra/Flaxgirl, understand that there is a Massive Fundamental Difference, between an ongoing continuous ‘Psyop’ military operation, like this internet ‘thingy’ we are using to communicate with, and a False Flag Operation ! It being that the FFO endeavours to shift the blame & responsibility for any singular incident or action, onto innocent parties in a collective, for to justify multiple subsequent actions against them, like invading Iraq (WMDs) & Afghanistan or Poland: whereas, The Coordinator’s, roots, methods & goals of a continuous Military ‘Psyop’, like a ‘New Pearl Harbour’, (that began long after the first Pearl Harbour and the first ABC electronic digital computer in 1943), these ‘figures’ are absolutely obvious, not hiding themselves, nor their public intentions, just hiding their Goals! As Assange also highlighted, carrying out “The History of the National Security State” ! … a false flag is simply just a constituent part of & one method to gain support for their reasoning of deploying further & greater surveillance on everybody, as a part of the greatest ‘Psyop’ ever: and, WTC7 & that Pentagon Wing had all of the financial evidence against The Coordinators of the whole damn military ‘Psyop Shebang’ & False Flag Ops. & Weaponised Weather, SEC Derivative Fund management investigations, combined.
Don’t confuse yourself or others!
Possession & control being the goal …
and not just of Data, Petra! Of everything-everything, from food production science, to
including obfuscating your freedom to differentiate matter from aimless distraction !
I recommend that you study the true meaning of a ‘Psyop’, foremost: a term which first became bandied around in 1965, just before Naval Military Intelligence and their Laurel Canyon homeland family life came up with the notion of a new form of controlled opposition in the media and a real continuous musical ‘Psyop’, framing it with the terminology, ‘The Hippy Movement’, including Jim Morrison and his dad, Admiral Morrison, who started the Vietnam War in the Gulf of Tonkin …

Definition of Psyops: “military operations usually aimed at influencing the enemy’s state of mind through non-combative means, such as distribution of leaflets” or dissemination of disinformation or distraction (including musical) and / or by controlled opposition, to create confusion & doubt, spin, fear & emotional pain, in the minds of the masses, to evoke support for the ‘Psy-Operators’, who divide & rule: say Merriam Webster and I combined & take note…: our corporate computerised fascist dictators have framed people like OffG, as the ‘ENEMY’ !
Not some opposition they can control … thus, we see elsewhere, the fervent ramping of Police States, with false flags galore, unbridled surveillance and blatant misrepresentations of what constitutes a ‘Psyop’, that invades privacy, censors opinion and restricts Freedom of thought, & communications … Even attacking OffG, bang on time, punctually just in advance of the 11th September 2019.
This whole internet is one continuous ‘Psyop’ military operation,
presently … Do you comprehend the difference ?
Not a false flag, a Psyop ! within United States of Confusion … see ?
This is now the third time I clarify this distinction of the ‘Psyop’
& intelligence history, for you: wake up Flaxgirl !!!
Will you learn ? We shall see … Meanwhile, have you sussed out what constitutes a “Parallel Platform” and what intelligence services do with same, concealing their illegal surveillance actions & much more, on parallel banks of identical computers ? And, do you still consider William Binney & Kirk Wiebe to be controlled opposition, now you have had time to consider the ‘ ThinThread’ programme, further … ? Along with Promis, Trailblazer & Prism, highly important ‘Psyop’ programmes, historically speaking, wouldn’t you say ? !
To confuse an individual false flag physical terrorist operation or act, with a non-combative continuous societal psychological operation, now that would be …

EXISTENTIAL STUPIDITY, Flaxgirl !

PSJ
PSJ
Sep 16, 2019 12:09 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I have to offer a correction to your somewhat sweeping claims.

We do indeed know the claims of progressive collapse etc are impossible – because experimentation has shown this with multiple lines of evidence.

No experimentation has yet been done to show the plane videos to be impossible. You may find it looks implausible but that’s not evidence. Sometimes the physics of high impacts and other extreme events may look impossible to an observer but be entirely consistent with known physical laws.

Until more research is done it’s not possible to say ‘no planes.’ And making this claim weakens and confuses the very powerful physical evidence we do have for controlled demolition utilising nanothermite or analogues thereof.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 16, 2019 3:33 AM
Reply to  PSJ

So do you believe, PSJ, that at this stage, 18 years after the event:
— aircraft investigators cannot say with certainty whether the alleged planes crashed or not and that
— video experts cannot say with say with certainty whether video fakery was used?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 16, 2019 3:44 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Oops! Aircraft accident investigators.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Sep 16, 2019 9:17 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Have any aircraft accident investigators or video experts made statements in this matter?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 16, 2019 12:29 PM
Reply to  Admin1

Admin, do you still feel unsure yourself about whether planes crashed or not? You haven’t come across anything that makes you convinced one way or the other or used your own life experience to make a determination?

Admin
Admin
Sep 16, 2019 1:29 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Please don’t divert. You asked PSJ a question that implied aircraft accident investigators and video experts had offered evidence in this matter. We asked you to clarify this in order to help the discussion along.

Have any aircraft investigators or video experts made statements in this matter?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 16, 2019 2:11 PM
Reply to  Admin

There was a certain subtlety to my question, Admin, that cannot be explained. I didn’t mean to imply that such experts have made statements although, in fact, a video expert, Ace Baker has (see YouTube video below). As far as I know no aircraft accident investigator has made statements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c5_g7UTuGM

But we don’t need experts or the results of experimentation. We need only our own experience of Newton’s Laws of Motion, that is, we don’t need to know exactly what the laws are but we recognise when they’re being broken because in real life they never are. So when we see a plane melt into a building we know that cannot be real, just as we know that people cannot be invisible and all other kinds of things that cannot happen because natural and physical laws don’t allow them.

The collapse of WTC-7 and the planes into buildings footage are the greatest cases of the Emperor’s New Clothes the world has ever known.

There are a number of angles from which we can tell that the plane crashes were fake if we do not have sufficient faith in our own judgement of what is real and what is not. One is what pioneering 9/11 researcher, Gerard Holmgren, discovered many years ago in 2003: that flights AA11 and AA77 did not exist.

I have issued a $10,000 challenge for 10 points favouring real over faked for the plane crashes that you will not be at all surprised to know, Admin, has not been responded to. If you wish to learn more here are my 12 points (which are mostly collated from other people):
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/four-faked-plane-crashes.html

If researchers had put all their effort into the plane crashes there would have been no need for the vast amount of research into the building collapses. No planes, no building collapses due to jet fuel fires. Lots more time left over to investigate death and injury. There was a good reason they gifted us with WTC-7, a very good reason.

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 17, 2019 8:17 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

when we see a plane melt into a building we know that cannot be real

One of the characteristic features of disinfo trolls is that no matter how many times their arguments are refuted, they just keep on repeating them without the slightest alteration. One might accuse them of hypocrisy, but their only purpose is to disinform, and they are quite straight-forward in pursuit of that objective.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Sep 22, 2019 11:36 AM
Reply to  milosevic

So milo, you think that when a 200 ton airliner travelling at 586 MPH at an altitude of 500m (LOL) makes contact with a 500,000 ton steel frame building no deceleration should occur?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/speed-likely-factor-in-wtc-collapse-25-02-2002/

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Sep 22, 2019 12:33 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

You are currently posting under two different IDs. We discourage this. Choose one ID and stick to it please.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 22, 2019 12:48 PM
Reply to  Admin1

Sorry, didn’t mean to do that. I intend to post as Petra from now on.

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 16, 2019 1:46 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

How were the thousands of eyewitnesses in a 360 degree circle (plus x000 cameras) fooled to believe that airliners crashed into the WTC?
3D holographics on a massive scale in broad daylight? Maybe in 2101.

This kind of talk gives a bad name to all alternative theories in general.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Sep 16, 2019 2:14 PM
Reply to  Antonym

I would not be so sure. In the Kennedy murder, the official Warren stamped narrative can’t be true. If you wanted someone dead, and had a goodly supply of rogue loners wishing to do the job, why not press them into service. “I’m just a patsy” Oswald could have been allowed to do the pot shot and be the nominal perp while the killer blow was delivered by someone with a good aim. Oswald is captured, Justice is served, but if he knew too much, off him via Jack Ruby. Bobs your uncle. And just call any doubters conspiracy theorists. What could be easier.

9/11 could be the same. Sure the planes crashed, sure the Yemenis were guilty but the collapse could have been put in operation by those acting under the cover of the planes they knew were going to be crashed.

The uncritical jump to judgement is no less alarming than it was for Kennedy. Like the NYT shouting that Epstein committed suicide hours after his death. No one really believes that either. Proof? Of course not. Keeping an open mind is a safe position.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 16, 2019 3:08 PM
Reply to  Antonym

For goodness’s sake. In 2003, two-thousand-and-THREE, Gerard Holmgren checked the Bureau ofTransportation Statistics to learn that AA11 and AA77 (doncha love the 11-multiples?) did not exist. Antonym, do you believe in miracles such as planes melting into buildings?

If you do please respond to my challenge in previous comment.

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 17, 2019 8:28 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

As previously requested multiple times, please state what you claim SHOULD happen when a large airplane crashes into a steel-framed building.

should it get stuck halfway, like a dart in a dartboard?

should it bounce off, like a basketball hitting a concrete wall?

should it flatten into a pancake, and slide down to the ground?

In the world of cartoon physics that you and other disinfo trolls inhabit, what is the expected outcome of the experiment?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 17, 2019 12:57 PM
Reply to  milosevic

It should look more like the plane in The Medusa Touch – they faked crash physics better in that movie. If you think they faked it better on 9/11 please let me know how, milo.

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 17, 2019 9:03 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

So, your idea of what real airplane crashes should look like is based on 1970s disaster-movie special effects. I guess that proves everything.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 18, 2019 3:22 AM
Reply to  milosevic

You strawman me, milo. What I say is that they faked it better in the 1978 movie than they faked it on 9/11. They could, of course, have faked it way better on 9/11 but they didn’t do that as, very generously, they always give us the clues so they faked it pretty much as badly as they possibly could have … even having the nose cone of the second plane popping out the other side and having a witness confirm they saw it “ream right through the other side” of the building.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/they-tell-us-clearly.html

The YouTuber who did the Medusa Touch video says that the plane emulates real crash physics better than the 9/11 one in a number of ways:
— it decelerates
— damage to building AND plane is shown
— the fuel ignites without bizarre delay and at the entry point

Do you think real crash physics of a plane involve:
— no deceleration
— no visible damage to plane
— delay of fuel ignition and igniting at a point other than the entry point?

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 18, 2019 7:57 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

cartoon physics it is, then.

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 18, 2019 8:00 AM
Reply to  milosevic

as usual, the comment system embeds the wrong video.

youtu.be / 7YLm3pkAiJQ

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 18, 2019 8:46 AM
Reply to  milosevic

No it just looks wrong to you as you’ve probably watched another YouTube video and that is what will play because of the way YouTube is embedded. To test I think you can simply right click the video and copy and paste URL.

I’m not sure what the point of your video is, milo. Are you saying that the snippets of the second plane crashing show:

— deceleration
— visible damage to plane
— no delay of fuel ignition and igniting at the entry point?

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 17, 2019 8:21 AM
Reply to  Antonym

This kind of talk gives a bad name to all alternative theories in general.

Yes, that’s exactly what disinfo trolls are for, and why they are sent by their CIA masters.

Los Alamos Lodge
Los Alamos Lodge
Sep 17, 2019 12:28 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

The logistics of editing every video (including reflections in wing mirrors but forgetting to fix the disappearing wing in multiple Fl175 videos), risking not siezing one rouge NYC witness video and placing all the fake eye witnesses is as implausable as wiring the towers with tonnes of tiny explosive charges spread across the entire structure capable of pulverising it with miles of wires or a wireless detonation system that could survive fire and cell phones and detonate with near perfect symmetry.
It’s notable that many witnesses saw but didn’t hear significant volume levels from a plane allegedly flying at 590mph at 1000 ft (6 times more thrust needed than at 30,000ft). This was also reported by eye witnesses at Shanksville.
With no better explanation I come to the conclsuion advanced holograpy technology exists, perhaps using plasma excitation as some 3D holograms use (civilain versions we know of are primitive), which might explain the usual flashes of light.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/haptic-japanese-holograms

The technology would be more advanced than publicly available but not unfeasable. In 1999 the ‘Allah over Baghdad’ hologram proposal was detailed suggesting a 1 mile sq mirror in space was necessary, a ridiculous proposition it makes you wonder why this would have been considered if accurate. We also know there was an Air Force request to DARPA to develop on board projection capability. We don’t know what level the technology was at in 2001. The Manhattan project is a useful reference for dark tech being kept secret by thousands of people in the US Dept of Energy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

mentioned again in 2000

https://www.wired.com/2008/05/the-face-of-all/

We know the SDI had at least a 4m self compensating actuating mirror in space but perhaps a drone mounted unit may have been used. We do know the planes couldn’t have been real.

The fact you reference Ace Baker is more of a worry. The man who faked his own suicide on Jim Fetzer’s show and called it ‘performance art’. It’s worth looking at the output of his video production company prior to 9/11, a load of bad plane hijacking B movies.
Richard D Hall’s 3D modelling and his guest’s investigations of CGI proponent’s claims are very informative.

Hope Kesselring
Hope Kesselring
Sep 15, 2019 1:00 PM

Hey Mr. Croy, can we start a Dissenters Theater group? I think that would be rad.

Dick Croy
Dick Croy
Nov 16, 2019 4:49 PM

Yes it would. Do you have the wherewithal?

Hope Kesselring
Hope Kesselring
Nov 16, 2019 5:52 PM
Reply to  Dick Croy

If you’re referring to money, no. I can write, though.

Dick Croy
Dick Croy
Nov 16, 2019 7:52 PM

Tell me what you have in mind, Hope.