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EXISTENTIAL STUPIDITY – the “Moron” Meme

Dick Croy

When I wrote my stage play Morons, after availing myself of the abundance of evidence that 9/11 was a false flag operation aided and abetted by rogue elements within our own government.

You’d be correct in assuming that it was my intention to get in the face of as many people as possible, even though the inflammatory title alone would no doubt limit its potential audience – to say nothing of theater companies.

But that didn’t matter, I couldn’t imagine its ever being produced anyway, not in my lifetime.

The point – other than simply ranting to vent my extreme anger and frustration – was to leave something on the record for future generations trying to comprehend how such evil could occur, and be so successfully covered up, in a supposedly well-educated, well-informed nation like the United States; how such a ludicrous patchwork of lies could be accepted as the truth of what had taken place. (Much as many are still trying to get their heads around the self-immolation of the German nation under Hitler.)

But there was another reason for using as the title an epithet that is much heard these days, although I was only vaguely aware of this at the time. Before it became an insult, moron was “a term used in psychology to denote mild intellectual disability,” according to my handy consultant Wikipedia.

And I was grappling with the distressing fact that so many otherwise intelligent Americans were buying into the “official” version of 9/11 sold by government and the media, even though as I had discovered, there was so much evidence available to refute it.

In answer to this conundrum, psychologists weighed in with the concept of “cognitive dissonance.” When people’s basic beliefs are challenged by information that contradicts them, they’ll ignore or disavow the threatening information.

And then there’s brainwave entrainment, which I learned about from an interview between physicist and inventor Adam Trombly and Catherine Austin Fitts, founding editor of The Solari Report and former Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD).

Trombly stated that Germany under Hitler first developed entrainment as an effective technology for mass mind control, by inducing relaxing alpha waves in large groups of people, making them more suggestible.

This is how “they were able to get thousands of soldiers to line up in neat little rows and listen to Hitler blabber for hours…as they stood there in the heat with perfect attention,” he said, adding ominously that the technology was “very, very primitive compared to what we’re seeing today.”

It’s when entrainment is combined with subliminal programming that we can be made to believe that 19 people with box cutters could bring down four commercial jetliners, destroy the World Trade Center and defeat the entire U.S. air defense system.

Many of us of a certain age may remember first hearing about subliminal programming being inserted into TV commercials back in the late ‘50s persuading viewers to buy stuff. There was actually a minor scandal when someone screwed up and inserted too many frames into an ad and people spotted the message.

There was a congressional hearing – but we all know what they’re for. The whole thing blew over and the CIA and political parties jumped on the technology big time.

Now, said Trombley, “It’s the dumbing down of not just the American public, but the world public. It is the intentional dumbing down [my emphasis]. And so, for example, Fukushima Daiichi goes off and everybody says this is like a really bad nuclear disaster, and the Japanese governments is in denial and yet somehow or other, here we are with it going off 24-7 and spewing incredible amounts of radio isotopes into the air and people don’t have the attention for it anymore.”

There is much more in this article from The Solari Report that helps explain the source of what I’m calling existential stupidity, and I urge you to read it if my short and incomplete summary interests you. We need to acknowledge that we’re facing a world crisis, and Catherine Austin Fitts is one of many 21st Century Thomas Paines trying to wake people up.

In my own early efforts I came to realize that “moron” had acquired a special meaning for me. In writing, editing and revising my play, the word came to refer to people of average or, especially, above-average intelligence who nevertheless behave in ways that favor their extinction.

“Morons” by this definition are like winners on the repugnant website Darwin Awards, “who improve our gene pool – by removing themselves from it in the most spectacular way possible –” except that instead of engaging in award-winning fatal behavior, they merely remain lethally passive. As in Edmund Burke’s often cited quotation, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men [and women] do nothing.”

In Morons the following dialogue takes place between ARONSON, a well-traveled rather world-weary middle-aged man and his younger listener:

“Well, think about it. What’s the one make-or-break factor in whether a species survives or not?” (when there is no answer) “Adaptive behavior. How it deals with its environment. Fits into the existing order. That’s what “survival of the fittest” means. And that’s the fundamental measure of intelligence. If we go down, it will be stupidity that does us in.”

To which the other replies, “Existential stupidity. Sounds about right.”

So what I’m attempting in this short piece is to establish a new meme, one that might possibly gain some online traction and make people think. My life partner says I’m too angry; kindness and compassion are better ways to cure society’s ills.

But I believe that anger is essential too when used in attempting to right wrongs and to wake people up. Maybe introducing the concept of “existential stupidity” into our post- 9/11 world will serve a useful purpose. 9/11 should have been our wake-up call, yet most Americans are still asleep and all but refuse to wake up.

Or they choose to see this heinous state crime against humanity as a terrible event in the past, period, rather than a revelatory exposure of ongoing malign forces that continue to threaten the whole world.

Dick Croy is an award-winning screenwriter, novelist and playwright. He was writer and director of The Fourth Dimension, a documentary series of seven 60-minute television specials on the paranormal. His novel The River Jordan, co-authored with the late Henry Burke, was a book-of-the-year nominee in 2001. Fugitive Slave, their contemporary drama portraying the historical spirit of the Underground Railroad, is both an award-winning screenplay and a stage play which has received readings by the Classical Theatre of Harlem and other theater companies.

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Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 26, 2019 11:28 AM

I didn’t look at very many witness testimonies and didn’t realise how funny some of them were. Here’s Cheryl Ryefield, Pentagon public affairs officer with her observations of the Pentagon plane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_qNXipyJUQ

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 26, 2019 11:43 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

In this testimony she first says she was stuck in traffic and shortly after says the traffic was really light. I know I shouldn’t be surprised but even though I came to know it was completely staged just like all the recent bullshit bombings and mass shootings I hadn’t quite recognised how similar it really was. https://hereisnewyorkv911.org/cheryl-ryefield/

Kerry Fritz II
Kerry Fritz II
Sep 24, 2019 5:38 PM

Blame treasonous US voters,
which are the moral minority (33%) of the population@
US is only a CORPORATION (legal fiction).
See 28 USC 3002 Subsection 15 (A) (B) (C) &
re-written Constitution since The Act of 1871

https\://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+act+of+1871
Revelation 2:9 & Revelation 3:9 (listed)
Are Inbred Neanderthals
https://archive.org/details/jewsareinbredneanderthals_201909

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 22, 2019 2:23 AM

It’s the planes, dummy! Thought I had it all figured out but, of course, I didn’t … and probably still don’t but I’ve made a jump. The key to understanding 9/11 truth is focus on the planes, not the buildings. The collapse of WTC-7 itself, the various theories of what brought the buildings down: thermite, thermate, nanothermite, directed energy weapons, nuclear and all the rest of it were major distraction away from the planes. When you figure out the planes, specifically Flights 11 and 175, then you have it pretty much ALL figured out. If the planes were faked then: — the buildings obviously didn’t come down by fire — 265 people of the alleged 3,000 said to have died did not die. If, right off the bat, 265 of the alleged 3,000 did not die then we have to question why the perps managed to fake the deaths of… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 21, 2019 5:26 AM

The perps don’t need to employ any special techniques to fool us although perhaps they do employ them occasionally. They’ve been fooling us since at least 1666 (but I’m sure for much longer than that) with EXACTLY the same techniques. What the perps understand better than the masses is the different “tendency to believe” profiles – and you can see they knew these profiles back in 1666 – see Gloria Moss’s article, The Great Fire of London – Cui Bono? https://off-guardian.org/2019/09/01/the-great-fire-of-london-cui-bono. This is crucial. I don’t know what all the profiles are (although I doubt there are really very many) and perhaps I’m misidentifying them a little but these are the ones I’ve discovered in my five years of studying 9/11 and other staged events: 1. Judge only by the evidence – The rarest profile (which I think I can say I belong to) is complete openness to the evidence… Read more »

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Sep 16, 2019 4:13 PM

When Charles de Gaulle returned from John Kennedy’s funeral he shared some observations with one of his assistants who later shared them publicly. He stated that he knew the CIA and U.S. Military were the assassins, but he predicted that the American people didn’t have the stomach to pursue the truth.

Of we Americans he stated: (“They don’t want to know, they don’t want to find out, they won’t let themselves find out.”)

Truer words were never spoken and they apply every bit as much to the 9/11 false flag operation as to Kennedy’s assassination so many years ago.

As historian and social critic Daniel Borstin observed of the American public back in 1961 – even before Kennedy’s murder – (“citizen-consumers are daily less interested in whether something is a fact than in whether it is convenient that it should be believed.”)

crank
crank
Sep 16, 2019 3:40 PM

This is another essay founded upon, …the abundance of evidence that 9/11 was a false flag operation aided and abetted by rogue elements within our own government …but also another that doesn’t ask, ‘which rogue elements are responsible?’ What is their motivation? what (if any) are their unifying ideas ? ‘The Neocons are the prime suspects’ people answer, so are they best understood as ‘American imperialists’ or as ‘Israel First American Jews’? [hint: read about Irving Kristol] Caitlin Johnstone tweets: “Why doesn’t the left look at Israel exactly the same as every other country, hmmmmmmm?” Because it isn’t the same as every other country. It plays a crucial role in the empire’s geostrategic maneuverings in the Middle East. It’s not about Jews or Judaism, it’s about imperialism. This assumes a dichotomy between ‘imperialism’ and ‘Jews or Judaism’. Maybe some are motivated by both? Gilad Atzmon writes, Every so often we… Read more »

Graft
Graft
Sep 16, 2019 7:22 PM
Reply to  crank

At the time Zionism didn’t hold the same connotations as today and Stalin regretted supporting the early stolen state. And Karl Marx wrote an essay called the Jewish question warning is about the likes of Moses Hess etc

crank
crank
Sep 16, 2019 8:27 PM
Reply to  Graft

The Irgun were formed in 1931. It was pretty clear that Zionism had its roots in ethno-nationalism from just about all its writings before their appearance. Although it was arguably a decidedly different strain, Labor Zionism was responsible for the Nakba. Hess is regarded as the founder of Labor Zionism.
Marx wrote a book (Die Duetsche Ideologie) with the ‘father of German Communism’ Moses Hess (who is credited with converting Engels to Communism), but later diverged with him.
Seeing as the Neocons were many of them ‘Trotskyists’ before becoming ‘American conservatives’, it is worth asking how these professed allegiances and intersections of ideologies interact with each other.
If Johnstone and others are to write such things, they owe their readers (and themselves) a deeper education in the history of the political movements they mention and how they relate to Jewish identity and Israel.

crank
crank
Sep 16, 2019 8:52 PM
Reply to  crank

As a perfect accompaniment to Caitlin Johnstone’s tweet, consider this from Tulsi Gabbard, the darling of the anti-war Left and the ‘patriotic’ Right: Trump awaits instructions from his Saudi masters. Having our country act as Saudi Arabia’s bitch is not “America First.” -in response to developments in KSA. It is OK on the Left to accuse Saudi Arabia of being Trump’s ‘masters’ but not to make an exact parallel accusation about Israel [imagine the words changed]. To imply that the imperial power relationship between Saudi Arabia and Washington is inverted is alright, to say the same about Israel is ‘antisemitic’ and would leave someone like Tulsi exposed to accusations of far right conspiracy theory from Left commenters. It is the clearest of clear double standards. It is also a complete inversion of the situation, as Trump is surrounded by IsraelFirst ethno-supremacists. This is what 9/11 could teach us, if we… Read more »

Bandit
Bandit
Sep 16, 2019 12:14 PM

Finally, someone is getting to the core of the problem:, ” How can so many people be so stupid as to believe the official narrative? However, I think “Existential Ignorance” would be more appropriate for a meme. The reason is the deliberate act of ignoring the evidence that contradicts the official narrative is willful, not stupid. The question should be, “How can so many people willfully ignore the credible evidence that proves that the destruction of the the three towers was an inside job?” As you point out, many of these people are intelligent and educated, and fundamentally capable of discerning fact from fiction, so why would they diverge so dramatically? At this point one can explore the psychological dynamics that come to bear on the individual who is basically under attack by the full weight of government and media disinformation, and who suffer “cognitive dissonance” as a result. Thus,… Read more »

ANDREW CLEMENTS
ANDREW CLEMENTS
Sep 18, 2019 11:03 AM
Reply to  Bandit

If Noam Chomsky doesn’t care ……..https://youtu.be/rIOA8Cyc4_Y

ANDREW CLEMENTS
ANDREW CLEMENTS
Sep 18, 2019 11:27 AM
Reply to  Bandit

“I think that the JFK assassination should be referenced as the first major test, by the government and the media, to force the acceptance of the official narrative”
Doesn’t help when this guy disagrees https://youtu.be/rIOA8Cyc4_Y

Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Sep 16, 2019 8:43 AM

I don’t see what’s repugnant about the Darwin Awards. It’s certainly better than the so called Nobel Peace Prize, the qualification for which entails being a war criminal or an enabler of war criminals.

ANDREW CLEMENTS
ANDREW CLEMENTS
Sep 18, 2019 11:15 AM
Reply to  Jihadi Colin

Social Darwinism aka eugenics no better than enablers of war
just another suit in the wardrobehttp://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/connections/535eee377095aa0000000259#!

ANDREW CLEMENTS
ANDREW CLEMENTS
Sep 18, 2019 11:45 AM

Darwins original book title was
THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES
BY MEANS OF NATURAL SELECTION
PRESERVATION OF FAVOURED RACES IN THE STRUGGLE
FOR LIFE
as Michael Cain would say , “Not a lot of people know that”

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 16, 2019 6:29 AM

Dick Croy says it all, superbly . . .

Existential Stupidity by morons in government science & academia, let alone society.

Art that mocks, energises our deliverance from evil intelligence, with plain denial & Just Anger.

Sincere thanks,
Tim

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Sep 15, 2019 11:12 PM

Thank You from the bottom of my heart. The heart of a true Don Quijote. Riding against the windmills of stupidity for half a century. They are so evasive. Perfectly evasive. My Rosinante is as tired as I am after all these years. My friends say ‘tranquilo, tranquilo’, but there are so many mills and so little time left…

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 15, 2019 9:52 PM

This article is excellent stuff.
There is no lack of people who can see exactly what is wrong today, but a serious shortage of people who have some idea of what can be done about it.
Many people experience the anger mentioned here, but it is exactly that anger which is removed from public discussion about the monstrous political acts performed upon us today.
Anger is politically incorrect, of course, and that is why I reckon it might be a good idea to cultivate it anew.

Igor
Igor
Sep 15, 2019 11:32 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Righteous anger is not a vice. The “hater” meme is designed to crush righteous indignation and anger.
“Hater” is a modern “Hitler”, designed to block rational debate and discussion. “Denier” is another.

hollyPlastic
hollyPlastic
Sep 16, 2019 12:04 AM
Reply to  wardropper

“Anger is politically incorrect”

The current designs enforced on the society leaves just one with few options to deal with anger. The new conditions convinces you that only a small minority is ‘angry’.

Effective remedies, according to the Establishment, are to change your thinking (very much like The Guardian), or you cocoon yourself in a cage built with ‘anti-depressants’.

Hardheaded and still no cure?
Well, the ‘Justice’ system offers you ‘HM Prison Belmarsh’.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 16, 2019 12:27 AM
Reply to  hollyPlastic

Well said. And Igor too.

RobG
RobG
Sep 15, 2019 9:14 PM

The Salisbury poisoning, followed by the Amesbury poisoning (the Russians did it!) were so obviously ridiculous and false flags that it’s absolutely gobsmacking that so many people buy into such nonsense; but they do. The biggest nonsense of all, of course, was 9/11.

I don’t agree with “existential stupidity”; more, that fear is what controls most people, and that’s an easy one to spin.

Starac
Starac
Sep 16, 2019 11:55 PM
Reply to  RobG

Fear is just one of the factors which contribute to existential stupidity.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Sep 15, 2019 9:14 PM

The United States of America was sanctioned for their Controlled Demolition of WTC 1 & 2 plus Building 7 when upon exit from office we evidenced Bear Stearns being murdered outright by naked short selling of Bear stock right when George W. Bush & his Torture Regime of Neocons & seriously mentally disturbed CIA contractors decided that they should receive medals of honour for their combined disservice to humanity as they exited helmsman status thinking that Dr. Alan Greenspan had everything under control with respect to the macroeconomic landscape. George W. Bush was literally forced to exit the highest public office in the land with the dishonour he deserved & the worst macroeconomic crash since the Great Depression. This signified to the entire world that the United States of America was indeed bankrupt & insolvent just as all the top marquee Bank Holding Companies had to rush to Congress in… Read more »

axisofoil
axisofoil
Sep 15, 2019 8:16 PM

Anger should be a staple, outrage a norm. If it was so, these events might very well be reduced if not eliminated entirely. Imagine a world intolerant to the machinations of psychopaths. There might actually be peace.
Voices of reason are silenced by manipulating the apathetic indifference of the tolerant. We the people bare the shame.
https://chazzsongs911.blogspot.com/2006/05/venezuelan-government-to-launch.html

George Cornell
George Cornell
Sep 15, 2019 8:14 PM

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mad-magazine-effectively-close-67-years-1222636

Proof that satire is no longer possible comes with the news that the beloved magazine Mad ceases print publication of new material this month. It was said that it was not possible to come up with material to compete with the daily absurdities of the Trump administration.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 15, 2019 8:43 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

Tom Lehrer, the satirical songwriter, said he stopped the moment Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize, after which it was clear that satire was dead.

Karl Kraus, the Viennese satirist, stopped just when you would expect him to go into overdrive i.e. when the Nazis came. Perhaps he too, realised that these events were beyond satire because they were already a satire on themselves.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Sep 15, 2019 8:48 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Quite so.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 15, 2019 9:53 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

I would still prefer to see Mad Magazine repeat itself frequently, rather than give up.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Sep 15, 2019 10:27 PM
Reply to  wardropper

That is what they are going to do, just no new material and no newsstand copies, as I understand it.

Dismembered Body Editor: (Lower Half)

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 15, 2019 10:30 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

Thanks George.
It’s been a while since I did any “Mad” research… : )

Jen
Jen
Sep 16, 2019 12:10 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

To be honest, I can’t see how Mad Magazine can say they can’t come up with material to compete with the Trump administration when they were able to compete with 12 years of Bush pere et fils (if not simultaneously) and 8 years of the Obama administration. After all, many of the same parasites who infested George W Bush’s administration are being put through their paces in Trump’s real-life version of his “The Apprentice” television show. But I doubt that it was Mad Magazine’s decision to pull the plug: it is owned by DC Comics and it is DC Comics’ decision to close it down. My guess is that DC Comics is having problems promoting its product in comics and films and is cutting corners everywhere to shore up its failing core business. (Rebooting the concept behind major comic characters and changing their histories from one narrative to its polar… Read more »

George Cornell
George Cornell
Sep 16, 2019 12:21 AM
Reply to  Jen

Actually I’m not sure Mad said that but others have. But former staffers have been interviewed. The antipathy to Trump is so high any excuse to blame him is seized upon.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 16, 2019 12:27 AM
Reply to  Jen

Washington DC Comics ?

M-utually A-ssured D-estruction,

No laughing matter …

F.J.Roosevelt
F.J.Roosevelt
Sep 15, 2019 4:09 PM

And it is the likes of us, that question the narratives imposed by corrupt power, dirty money and perverse vanity, that are branded as “useful idiots”

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Sep 15, 2019 3:49 PM

“No one understood better than Stalin that the true object of propaganda is neither to convince nor even to persuade, but to produce a uniform pattern of public utterance in which the first trace of unorthodox thought immediately reveals itself as a jarring dissonance.” ~ Alan Bullock, in Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives However, I also feel to look at what its effects are in our mind, our worldview, or literally our experience of ourself and our world. Crying ‘wolf!’ can be falsely manipulated. Such that no one believed the manipulator. If however, they also have a big stick and we don’t, then we may choose to avoid the stick by whatever degree of compliance and conformity feels necessary – or even fetching the stick for the master in order to prove loyalty or seek favour. Cognitive dissonance is a psychological defence. It easy to see the light switch when… Read more »

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Sep 15, 2019 3:19 PM

Calling people names and pushing memes is hardly the way to educate.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 15, 2019 2:58 PM

I don’t even think you have to bring in brainwave entrainment. Those (most of us? probably all of us) who were raised in a consumer capitalist society are conditioned since birth to pay for services which, in previous societies, were carried out directly by those who needed them e.g. we buy food, drink, clothes etc. – all of which are manufactured elsewhere. We even buy entertainment. Thus our attitude towards all these things becomes completely passive.

On the other hand, most who work do not get the direct benefit of their work i.e. they work for pay while their boss makes a profit. Ironically even the boss doesn’t necessarily use the goods produced. It’s all for monetary profit. Thus we are passive in our leisure time and passive in our working time. It’s a kind of zombie culture.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Sep 15, 2019 11:17 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I just read ‘entertrainment’. That’s pretty close, isn’t it?

Igor
Igor
Sep 15, 2019 11:51 PM
Reply to  George Mc

No woo woo needed. Human psychology. Members of cults will endure hours of discomfort listening to their Dear Leader ramble on. No one wants to be the first to break ranks. Group behavior. Very few will say the emperor has no clothes, or that the emperor is talking nonsense.
Now imagine a super cult formed from a large group of persons with no idea that they are in a cult. That is modern society. Not many think of ever breaking away. And those that do are marginalized, becoming “non-persons”.
The USA is both the Third Reich and the Soviet Union simultaneously. Schrodinger’s nation.

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 15, 2019 2:50 PM

Did the US have to knock itself in the teeth to attack Afghanistan or Irak? They even had to invent WMD for the latter.

9/11 could also have been the result of Murphy’s law.

What is moronic that no sleeping officials have been sacked or jailed for negligence.

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 15, 2019 5:50 PM
Reply to  Editor

If even the NSA had no advance warning on 9/11 and evacuated for a possible airliner attack on fort Meade, than only the actual perps knew:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/15/edward-snowden-on-911-and-why-he-joined-the-army-now-finally-there-was-a-fight

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 16, 2019 11:03 AM
Reply to  Antonym

This made Snowden a reliable eye witness to a vital 9/11 clue, IF one is open to new info !!

vexarb
vexarb
Sep 15, 2019 6:34 PM
Reply to  Editor

“Criminal” negligence? Like General Arik Sharon in Israeli-occupied Lebanon, who was so Criminally negligent that the General not only did not act to stop a massacre but had his men light flares that helped the massacre continue into the night. The action of these top Defense Executives in the Bush regime named above (ChainGang, RummyLot, WolfoSchlitz) was Criminal negligence similar to that of General Sharon. At the very least, in a Court of Law, these men could be charged with Criminal negligence; but more reasonably, with conspiracy to harm the realm they had sworn to defend.

hollyPlastic
hollyPlastic
Sep 15, 2019 2:49 PM

“It’s the dumbing down of not just the American public, but the world public. It is the intentional dumbing down”

That’s an important reason for ignoring/blocking/boycotting Controlled Corporate Mass Media.

Those who could not see the dumbing down was deliberate, [they] need new sensors to replace the damaged ones.

hollyPlastic
hollyPlastic
Sep 15, 2019 2:33 PM

Nice flowing writing by Pepe Escobar: “According to the official narrative, the Boeing 757 literally pulverized itself. Yet even after pulverization, it managed to perforate six walls of three rings of the Pentagon, leaving a two-meter wide hole in the last wall but only slightly damaging the second and third rings. The official narrative is that the hole was caused by the plane’s nose – still quite hard even after pulverization. Yet the rest of the plane – a mass of 100 tons travelling at 800 kilometers an hour – miraculously stopped at the first ring. “All that happened under the stewardship of one Hani Hanjour, who three weeks before had been judged by his flight instructors to be incapable of piloting a Cessna. Hanjour, nonetheless, managed to accomplish an ultra-fast spiral descent at 270 degrees, aligning at a maximum 10 meters above ground, minutely calibrating the trajectory, and keeping… Read more »

Guy
Guy
Sep 15, 2019 6:32 PM
Reply to  hollyPlastic

Your posts are gems .Thank you.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Sep 15, 2019 11:25 PM
Reply to  hollyPlastic

This is the only way to talk about it. Like a stand-tall comedian. I get carried away when attempting to do that – either my sarcasm boils over, which could be interpreted as tasteless in the face of so many that had to day that day and are still dying from the ‘collateral’ part of the story, or I get into details that are so profound that they are like a full convention of 800 pound Gorillas in a London flat on Bethnal Green Road.

But I come to realize that the only way to transcend this psychopathy of epic proportions is via sarcasm and acid satire. Thank You very much.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 15, 2019 1:15 PM

False flag or (complete) psyop? A false flag is generally understood to be an act committed by one group who contrive to make others appear responsible, usually with the intention of using the false claim as a basis to go to war and/or with other ulterior motives. In the film, Allied, based on real life, the Germans used a spy to collaborate with the Allies in staging an attack which resulted in the assassination of a German ambassador that Hitler wanted rid of. In this event, the Germans were the covert engineers of the killing where they both: — achieved the assassination of one of their unwanted own — successfully blamed the killing on the Allies This can be judged to be a false flag in that both an act was committed and the other side was blamed, however, it is not what we might call a classic false flag… Read more »

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 15, 2019 11:27 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Blow me down, talk about ‘Confusion’ (& controlled opposition?), you have turned the art of splitting hairs with Occam’s razor into a whole new genre and a level of hair raising styling & mis-representation, that makes ole’ Flaxgirl look like a complete novice, as controlled opposition, compared to your good new self … 🙂 Has Flaxgirl got the sack ? (or lost the will … ?) or re-Vamped herself ? That’s rhetoric … Either way, truly not important: what is important is that you Petra/Flaxgirl, understand that there is a Massive Fundamental Difference, between an ongoing continuous ‘Psyop’ military operation, like this internet ‘thingy’ we are using to communicate with, and a False Flag Operation ! It being that the FFO endeavours to shift the blame & responsibility for any singular incident or action, onto innocent parties in a collective, for to justify multiple subsequent actions against them, like invading… Read more »

PSJ
PSJ
Sep 16, 2019 12:09 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I have to offer a correction to your somewhat sweeping claims.

We do indeed know the claims of progressive collapse etc are impossible – because experimentation has shown this with multiple lines of evidence.

No experimentation has yet been done to show the plane videos to be impossible. You may find it looks implausible but that’s not evidence. Sometimes the physics of high impacts and other extreme events may look impossible to an observer but be entirely consistent with known physical laws.

Until more research is done it’s not possible to say ‘no planes.’ And making this claim weakens and confuses the very powerful physical evidence we do have for controlled demolition utilising nanothermite or analogues thereof.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 16, 2019 3:33 AM
Reply to  PSJ

So do you believe, PSJ, that at this stage, 18 years after the event:
— aircraft investigators cannot say with certainty whether the alleged planes crashed or not and that
— video experts cannot say with say with certainty whether video fakery was used?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 16, 2019 3:44 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Oops! Aircraft accident investigators.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Sep 16, 2019 9:17 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Have any aircraft accident investigators or video experts made statements in this matter?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 16, 2019 12:29 PM

Admin, do you still feel unsure yourself about whether planes crashed or not? You haven’t come across anything that makes you convinced one way or the other or used your own life experience to make a determination?

Admin
Admin
Sep 16, 2019 1:29 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Please don’t divert. You asked PSJ a question that implied aircraft accident investigators and video experts had offered evidence in this matter. We asked you to clarify this in order to help the discussion along.

Have any aircraft investigators or video experts made statements in this matter?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 16, 2019 2:11 PM
Reply to  Admin

There was a certain subtlety to my question, Admin, that cannot be explained. I didn’t mean to imply that such experts have made statements although, in fact, a video expert, Ace Baker has (see YouTube video below). As far as I know no aircraft accident investigator has made statements. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c5_g7UTuGM But we don’t need experts or the results of experimentation. We need only our own experience of Newton’s Laws of Motion, that is, we don’t need to know exactly what the laws are but we recognise when they’re being broken because in real life they never are. So when we see a plane melt into a building we know that cannot be real, just as we know that people cannot be invisible and all other kinds of things that cannot happen because natural and physical laws don’t allow them. The collapse of WTC-7 and the planes into buildings footage are… Read more »

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 17, 2019 8:17 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

when we see a plane melt into a building we know that cannot be real

One of the characteristic features of disinfo trolls is that no matter how many times their arguments are refuted, they just keep on repeating them without the slightest alteration. One might accuse them of hypocrisy, but their only purpose is to disinform, and they are quite straight-forward in pursuit of that objective.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Sep 22, 2019 11:36 AM
Reply to  milosevic

So milo, you think that when a 200 ton airliner travelling at 586 MPH at an altitude of 500m (LOL) makes contact with a 500,000 ton steel frame building no deceleration should occur?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/speed-likely-factor-in-wtc-collapse-25-02-2002/

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Sep 22, 2019 12:33 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

You are currently posting under two different IDs. We discourage this. Choose one ID and stick to it please.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 22, 2019 12:48 PM

Sorry, didn’t mean to do that. I intend to post as Petra from now on.

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 16, 2019 1:46 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

How were the thousands of eyewitnesses in a 360 degree circle (plus x000 cameras) fooled to believe that airliners crashed into the WTC?
3D holographics on a massive scale in broad daylight? Maybe in 2101.

This kind of talk gives a bad name to all alternative theories in general.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Sep 16, 2019 2:14 PM
Reply to  Antonym

I would not be so sure. In the Kennedy murder, the official Warren stamped narrative can’t be true. If you wanted someone dead, and had a goodly supply of rogue loners wishing to do the job, why not press them into service. “I’m just a patsy” Oswald could have been allowed to do the pot shot and be the nominal perp while the killer blow was delivered by someone with a good aim. Oswald is captured, Justice is served, but if he knew too much, off him via Jack Ruby. Bobs your uncle. And just call any doubters conspiracy theorists. What could be easier. 9/11 could be the same. Sure the planes crashed, sure the Yemenis were guilty but the collapse could have been put in operation by those acting under the cover of the planes they knew were going to be crashed. The uncritical jump to judgement is no… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 16, 2019 3:08 PM
Reply to  Antonym

For goodness’s sake. In 2003, two-thousand-and-THREE, Gerard Holmgren checked the Bureau ofTransportation Statistics to learn that AA11 and AA77 (doncha love the 11-multiples?) did not exist. Antonym, do you believe in miracles such as planes melting into buildings?

If you do please respond to my challenge in previous comment.

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 17, 2019 8:28 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

As previously requested multiple times, please state what you claim SHOULD happen when a large airplane crashes into a steel-framed building.

should it get stuck halfway, like a dart in a dartboard?

should it bounce off, like a basketball hitting a concrete wall?

should it flatten into a pancake, and slide down to the ground?

In the world of cartoon physics that you and other disinfo trolls inhabit, what is the expected outcome of the experiment?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 17, 2019 12:57 PM
Reply to  milosevic

It should look more like the plane in The Medusa Touch – they faked crash physics better in that movie. If you think they faked it better on 9/11 please let me know how, milo.

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 17, 2019 9:03 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

So, your idea of what real airplane crashes should look like is based on 1970s disaster-movie special effects. I guess that proves everything.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 18, 2019 3:22 AM
Reply to  milosevic

You strawman me, milo. What I say is that they faked it better in the 1978 movie than they faked it on 9/11. They could, of course, have faked it way better on 9/11 but they didn’t do that as, very generously, they always give us the clues so they faked it pretty much as badly as they possibly could have … even having the nose cone of the second plane popping out the other side and having a witness confirm they saw it “ream right through the other side” of the building. https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/they-tell-us-clearly.html The YouTuber who did the Medusa Touch video says that the plane emulates real crash physics better than the 9/11 one in a number of ways: — it decelerates — damage to building AND plane is shown — the fuel ignites without bizarre delay and at the entry point Do you think real crash physics of… Read more »

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 18, 2019 7:57 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

cartoon physics it is, then.

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 18, 2019 8:00 AM
Reply to  milosevic

as usual, the comment system embeds the wrong video.

youtu.be / 7YLm3pkAiJQ

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 18, 2019 8:46 AM
Reply to  milosevic

No it just looks wrong to you as you’ve probably watched another YouTube video and that is what will play because of the way YouTube is embedded. To test I think you can simply right click the video and copy and paste URL.

I’m not sure what the point of your video is, milo. Are you saying that the snippets of the second plane crashing show:

— deceleration
— visible damage to plane
— no delay of fuel ignition and igniting at the entry point?

milosevic
milosevic
Sep 17, 2019 8:21 AM
Reply to  Antonym

This kind of talk gives a bad name to all alternative theories in general.

Yes, that’s exactly what disinfo trolls are for, and why they are sent by their CIA masters.

Los Alamos Lodge
Los Alamos Lodge
Sep 17, 2019 12:28 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

The logistics of editing every video (including reflections in wing mirrors but forgetting to fix the disappearing wing in multiple Fl175 videos), risking not siezing one rouge NYC witness video and placing all the fake eye witnesses is as implausable as wiring the towers with tonnes of tiny explosive charges spread across the entire structure capable of pulverising it with miles of wires or a wireless detonation system that could survive fire and cell phones and detonate with near perfect symmetry. It’s notable that many witnesses saw but didn’t hear significant volume levels from a plane allegedly flying at 590mph at 1000 ft (6 times more thrust needed than at 30,000ft). This was also reported by eye witnesses at Shanksville. With no better explanation I come to the conclsuion advanced holograpy technology exists, perhaps using plasma excitation as some 3D holograms use (civilain versions we know of are primitive), which… Read more »

Hope Kesselring
Hope Kesselring
Sep 15, 2019 1:00 PM

Hey Mr. Croy, can we start a Dissenters Theater group? I think that would be rad.

Dick Croy
Dick Croy
Nov 16, 2019 4:49 PM

Yes it would. Do you have the wherewithal?

Hope Kesselring
Hope Kesselring
Nov 16, 2019 5:52 PM
Reply to  Dick Croy

If you’re referring to money, no. I can write, though.

Dick Croy
Dick Croy
Nov 16, 2019 7:52 PM

Tell me what you have in mind, Hope.