Looking at the 9/11 False Flag After 18 Years
Greg Bacon
As we enter our 19th year of the event which forever changed our world and brought us the insanity of endless war, and a police state that is slowly choking the life out of freedom loving people, let us look back at that day.
18 years of this never ending War of Terror, waged against nations that had NOTHING to do with that attack, but which the Deep State had already decided they need to be busted up; partially to please Israel and partially to please Wall Street, which is making a killing off the killing.
The lies told about that day of infamy are legion, but we’ll just stick to a few pics from that day and after looking at these and see if anyone still believe the lies told about the 9/11 False Flag.
We were told that two airliners crashed into WTC 1 &2, which caused them to fall. Right. Look at this pic and answer the question posed: Does this look like a building collapse or buildings that had HE–High Explosives–pre-planted and detonated to make the ‘Twins’ fall?
How could a simple building collapse make the plume of smoke, heated gases and evaporated bodies rise over 4,000 feet into the air? This link goes into that much deeper and is well worth your time to look it over.
That site was developed by Heinz Pommer, a German physicist, who knows a little about what force and acceleration can do to a building mass and what happens to a structure that has been blown up.
But WTC 1 & 2 weren’t the only buildings that day which collapsed.
There’s the infamous WTC 7, which the National Institute of Standards and Technology ‘investigated’ and had to invent a new term, thermal expansion to explain why the building fell.
Thermal expansion claims that the fires in WTC 7 were so hot from the fires, the I-beams used to construct the building expanded, pulling apart, and that made the building fall.
A supposition so absurd that 15,000 scientists, including 52 Nobel Laureates and 63 recipients of the National Medal of Science disagreed.
Here’s a pic of WTC 7 before it fell. I’ve seen bigger fires in an out-of-control BBQ pit.
Yet another pic that shows the complete devastation that was allegedly caused by two passenger jets hitting WTC 1 & 2. If that is true, what caused WTC 3, 4, 5 & 6 to self-destruct?
Guess the nearly one BILLION dollars in missing gold and silver from WTC 4 might have had something to do with that False Flag?
Since that day, the USA has been on a lunatic rampage, blaming everyone for 9/11 except the ones who actually pulled off that job. Afghanistan is still occupied and getting bombed, but at least those CIA poppy fields are safe.
Iraq is still occupied and getting bombed. Iraq was a prosperous ME nation, but that’s in the past. They might never recover, not as long as the USA is still there.
Syria too was lumped in with that day, although they had NOTHING to do with that False Flag, but Israel wanted Syria destroyed so they could steal more land and that project is still in the making. Syria would have ceased to exit if Russia had not come to her aid.
Iran is in the Pentagon’s cross-hairs, with NeoCON and Zionist war mongers in the WH salivating at the thought of busting up another ME nation. Yemen too can be added to this lethal list, along with Libya, also blamed for the 9/11 False Flag, with no proof offered.
All it takes in the post-9/11 era to get the B-2’s headed your way are accusations and a lot of cable news talking heads breathlessly reporting lies.
No nation on Earth is safe from these violent lunatics, and neither are people.
Besides destroying nations, the USA has become a de facto police state, that gets more invasive each week, thanks to the advances in digital technology.
And it will continue to get worse until Americans rise up and demand that the truth be told about that day, or we can consign ourselves to living in a nation that thrives on tyranny, endless wars and terrorizing the world.
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3000 architects say this didn’t happen the way it’s been presented
https://www.ae911truth.org/
watch the youtube interview done with Aaron Russo before his death. He explains how Rockefeller approached him and said that there would be an “event” that will allow those in power to take much more control as well as start never ending wars against a nameless/ faceless enemy called “Terrorism”
Search for “Aaron Russo, Part 1 “
The Al Qaida “planes operation” : https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/jul/01/exile-review-osama-bin-laden-al-qaida
From the same researcher team: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2001/jun/23/weekend.adrianlevy
Not exactly UK Establishment supporters…….
That Physicist’s website you linked to seems to be suggesting Nukes in the basement, at least from one diagram. The building was built onto the bedrock 70ft below the Hudson with a retaining slurry wall. Many sub levels were intact following collapse as we can see from many pictures and videos. Even sections of the mall on the first level were intact. It needed only minor repair before reusing it for the new WTC complex, didn’t flood the PATH tunnels apart from fire hose water easily pumped out. There was no ionising radiation found although there was Tritium in the water samples which needs further investigation as to the nature of the event. The Pyroclastic appearance of the dust clouds was striking but there was not one person burned by it, described as warm not hot by witnesses. Numerous accounts of people being lifted and placed down rather than violently… Read more »
http://www.deepexcavation.com/uploads/case_studies/WTC_TimesPhoto_Edited_1small.JPG
Path tunnel construction. How could a nuke in the basement not fracture the tunnels and flood Lower Manhattan?
In terms of Nuclear Demolition the nukes are measured & controlled to a point of being referred to as ‘mini nukes’. Research Military Nuclear Demolition and you will find a Russian Federation tech specialist that have solved the 911 conundrum of Nuclear Demolition being utilized for WTC 1 & 2 BASEMENT level nuclear detonation & aftermath of photographed bedrock that is available on Google if you search.
Stick to your day job.
MOU
available on Google if you search
It’s a common characteristic of disinformation, that it makes its claims without citing any evidence at all, and then invites the presumed audience to find it for themselves, “on Google if you search”.
If the proponents of such claims do not take them seriously enough to bother with references to supposedly convincing evidence, then it’s a mystery why anybody else would.
havent you heard? this thread is no longer active.
The thread started days ago and I’m not exactly enthralled about 911 anymore but I will walk you through the Controlled Nuclear Demolition if you insist, Nomad.
MOU
no need. but you can answer the question i posed above. id be interested in that.
I am a pinko Commie bastard, Nomad. If an American starts dialog with vituperative denials & rhetoric aimed at pinko Commie bastards like myself I, for one, am hypersensitive to that as a Communist adherent.
The CIA paid trolls are far too transparent to be of any use for propagandistic purposes given that I can spot them a mile offshore every time. OFF-G is loaded with minimum wage Information Operations trolls. Eric Blair is one of them and so too is whatshisface.
MOU
ok. i think i understand. but racism is a serious charge. i like to know what people mean when they make the accusation.
https://archive.org/details/911TheThirdTruth-AnInsideStoryBySovietNuclearOfficerDimiti
MOU
Corrected link:
https://archive.org/details/911TheThirdTruth-AnInsideStoryBySovietNuclearOfficerDimitri
P.S. I spelled Dimitri’s name wrong on the last link, sorry.
MOU
MOI
Thank you for this link. I have been researching ever since 911 and this proves everything without a doubt for me…
I have attempted to buy the book?
Guess what? It is unavailable!!
MOI
Need to watch Part 2 next:
https://archive.org/details/911TheThirdTruth-AnInsideStoryBySovietNuclearOfficerDimitri/9-11-TheThirdTruth-DimitriKhalezov2of2Full.mp4
MOI
Not sure now about Dimitri’s evaluations, after watching Part 2?
I had tech help getting all of the 911 documentaries that were published on Internet regarding 911. I spent years watching every single entire published documentary on 911 subject matter and then I let it all jell so I could ruminate on it over time. Dimitri whatshisname from the Russian Federation produced one of the best documentaries ever published about 911. What I have in terms of Dimitri’s documentary is a four part series of video documentary that is approximately four hours long. I still have the doc if you can’t get it all. Five Eyes Intel has scrubbed most of Dimitri’s stuff today so most of what he researched will not be available to a large segment of the Internet population. Whenever an incident like 911 manifests you have to get all the information that you can get surrounding the subject matter before the intel agencies scrub the Internet… Read more »
The warm but not hot pyroclastic cloud? So all those hundreds of burnt out vehicles blocks away were a little bit too warm? Lovely photo by the way. What’s it of?
As stated the pictures are of the Bathtub wall after clean up, and the PATH tunnel construction through Bathtub wall.
You mean the cars in a parking lot 1/4 mile away where one car will be wrecked and the one next to it not burnt? The cars on FDR 1/2 mile away? Or the cars and train carraiges in the WTC sub levels that were unburnt? How about the ambulance parked outside without a burn or dent in it? What about the car across the road outside WFC that was filpped but not burnt? What kind of special fire proof paper was used in the WTC?
Who could possibly misrepresent such evidence as that of hot dust cloud/nuke in the basement?
The car lot 1/4 mile away
Editor: We should point out that the cars were likely towed to this location from points closer to the WTC complex. The claim they were burned at this location and are evidence for ‘directed energy beams’ is therefore not well supported
I’m sorry but the parking lot cars are beyond doubt. If you watch the video you will see there is a picture from before the collapse of the North Tower (parking lot is NE of WTC), streets full of fire engines but clear of debris, with the same cars in pristine condition and then a picture after collapse of the same arrangement of cars selectively burnt. If you’re in a hurry go to 2:44 for the section on the parking lot. If these cars were towed there, they would have to remove the previous cars and arrange the burnt cars in the previous pattern of colour and model and then torch a section of the shrubbery behind the cars. That seems less likely to me especially as the wide angle shot shows West street blocked by Emergency Service vehicles. We have eye witness statements of cars ‘spontaneously combusting’ on FDR… Read more »
And an eye witness statement from Thomas Spinard as they were running North on North End Ave after WTC1 collapse saw the parking lot fire. First and only time I’ve seen paper fires mentioned too.
WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW
FIREFIGHTER THOMAS SPINARD
Interview Date: January 11, 2002
“After the second one, they took Joe
away in an ambulance. I said, well, I’m not too
bad. I’ll stay around. I walked back just to
see if I could pull anybody out or put fires out
or whatever. There were cars burning in the
parking lots over here, big paper debris fires
going on all over the place. ”
https://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110445.PDF
Los Alamos Lodge
”Not one person burned?
What is this then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpadxgHuMEg
Seriously? The first guy, the only one with a stated history, says he was in an elevator that was “on fire”. How does that relate to me saying the dust cloud was not hot and therefore not a typical Pyroclastic or mushroom cloud of thousands of degrees. Where’s the people burned by the expanding gas clouds or radiation?
Whatever your intention if you present some accurate evidence you might inform people. Perhaps that wasn’t your intention. I can only guess how many bots you can fit in a VW Beetle.
At what temperature does paper burn?
I think it’s called inversion, so ‘Los Alamos Lodge’ uses a pseudonym derived from the Manhattan Project to refute Manhattan Project derivatives used in Manhattan 11 September 2001. Neutrons pass straight through dry paper as so on. The main energies used in the destruction of the WTC twin towers were directed upwards so, of course, the ‘bathtub’ integrity would not have been affected.
That comment shows your intention clearly. “Neutrons pass through dry paper”? So this mini nuke doesn’t produce high temps? Nukes inflict damage by flinging neutrons around? The energy was “directed upwards”? So ‘directional and selective’ mini nukes? Or something deflecting the energy upwards without causing any damage or seismic signal below. I could do with one of those as I was planning on just ducking and covering.
Los Alamos refers to the laboratory, and the Dept of Energy not the Manhattan project, which was only one project there, but is a useful example of new technology successfully being kept secret.
It’s amazing how little information and evidence gets referenced by people apparently hoping to find and expose the truth. Comment sections even here are like a microcosm of the internet. Well meaning people drowned out by misinformation, half truths and professional or automated trolls.
There was plenty of seismic signal. Below ‘Ground Zero’ stayed hot for months and melted granite. The dust was referred to as ‘Fall Out’. It is staring us in the face.
Editor:
Only by people like you, Oliver
I’ve just watched Kevin Ryan at the Toronto Hearings and he listed eye witnesses as proof of a hot dust cloud. One was named (Thomas Spinard? NYFD) and around 8 unnamed. One having “1st and 2nd degree burns” and one with a “burning neck”. If anyone has a link to videos, articles or even names I’d be grateful. I can’t find any listing on AE911Truth website, perhaps it’s in one of their videos or articles I haven’t seen?
Thanks
I’ve been asked to have a look at this question. The witnesses are named in The Toronto Hearing Report and in this article.
https://digwithin.net/2013/12/08/thermite/
I believe these and similar testimonies are captured at 911DataSets.org as well.
As for “Mini-nukes,” that hypothesis was put to bed long ago.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/a/Hard-Evidence-Rebudiates-the-Hypothesis-that-Mini-Nukes-were-used-on-the-wtc-towers-by-steven-jones.pdf
Best wishes. KR
Thanks, I’m not arguing for mini nukes, quite the opposite. I’m trying to establish the soundness of the claim for the dust cloud being hot, considering the lack of burns to those caught in the roll out and the lush green trees in all directions. We have photographs of car fires in progress (and before and after) in the parking lot NW of Vesey and West yet the trees surrounding it are green by the time the satellite photographs were taken on 23rd. Even trees on Church St beneath WTC5 and 4 are green on the 12th/13th in NYFD videos. St Paul’s Chapel grounds is untouched. Thomas Spinard witnessed parking lot fires while on North End Ave. Which means the “something in the dust” you suggested was toasting the cars was not burning trees, the majority of paper or people in between (I’ll look into Marcel Claes, this may be… Read more »
RONALD COYNE EMT
“MY SAFETY COAT WAS ALREADY ON FIRE MY SOCKS WERE ON
FIRE. I WAS ALREADY COVERED WITH SOOT AND ALL SORTS OF
PARTICLES THAT WERE COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING”
What temperature would the dust have to be to ignite a safety coat? And why the socks?
MARCEL CLAES
“first and second degree burns on my back, ended up in
the crack of my ass, and that’s where the worst”
His mouth and throat and eyes were full of dust but they weren’t burnt. Very strange burn patterns for a hot dust cloud. Almost sounds more like chemical burns. Either way that’s two credible account of burns.
Vlad didn’t help much….. Since that day, the USA has been on a lunatic rampage, blaming everyone for 9/11 except the ones who actually pulled off that job. Afghanistan is still occupied and getting bombed, but at least those CIA poppy fields are safe. http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/09/10/ar911.russia.putin/index.html When the United States prepared to attack al Qaeda in Afghanistan, Putin offered more than words of support. “Russia will continue to provide intelligence information we have collected on the infrastructure, location and training of international terrorists,” he said. In a stunning decision, the Russian president coordinated with central Asian nations to allow U.S. forces, for the first time, to use military bases of the former Soviet Union. Iraq is still occupied and getting bombed. Iraq was a prosperous ME nation, but that’s in the past. They might never recover, not as long as the USA is still there. http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/saddam.terror/ “I can confirm that after… Read more »
I consider myself a conduit for the truth and I do it to bring justice to the WTC jumpers, police and firefighters who died with a belief that someone would tell the truth. Soviet Israel did 9/11 Israel is a Soviet Russian client state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Israel Where are all the Prime Ministers of Israel born? Russian Empire, Russian Empire, Russian Empire, Russian Empire, Russian Empire, Jerusalem (parents from Russian Empire), Russian Empire, Russian Empire, Russian Empire, Palestine (parents from Russian Empire), Palestine (parents from Russian Empire), Palestine (parents from Russian Empire), Palestine (parents from Russian Empire) Every single Prime Minister of Israel was either born in the Russian Empire, or their parents came from the Russian Empire. All their families came from Communist roots. Israel was created during the Soviet Communist era, and the first ruler of Israel was an admitted Communist. “I’m a Bolshevik!” – David Ben Gurion, first Prime… Read more »
As a self-appointed ‘conduit of truth’ you should know that you are a racist and disqualified from reasoned judgement simply by a lack of education.
The scientific method will save you.
MOU
@ MOU Please enlighten us as to your knowledge of the subjects outlined in this post, and qualify what you have said with counter arguments based on fact. The writer gives links and facts, you offer nothing but assertion. Please specify which parts are racist. Your post is so suspect, you are now on the special list (you already were in my book, and presumably others, but now everyone who maybe gave you credit can put you on the special list as well, so transparent is your style).
You are now on my list too, BuckO. And I don’t waste my time with racist trolls.
MOU
Keep digging
“As a self-appointed ‘conduit of truth’ you should know that you are a racist and disqualified from reasoned judgement simply by a lack of education”
It’s you who needs the education, Sonny Jim.
Start here:
https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-the-darker-side-of-ben-gurion-1.5354147
and give yourself some clues from there on: Israel has been an appalling hotbed of vicious racism from the Torah on, and its modern resurgence in Zionism leaves nothing of that ancient tradition unrestored and unadorned. Like Israel and Judah they’re still at it full on internally with Mizrahim and Ashkenazim and externally with Palestinians, Persians and anyone else their primitive tribal God and modern psychotic culture chooses to smote.
I’m far too connected politically to go wading into cultural racism at the level of Israel. When involved in politics at the level I am at one must be hyperaware of racist discourse that could later be thrown as mud that sticks. I studied Freud for many years, and Marx too. My favorite professors of all time are Jews. I have the greatest admiration for the Jewish scholars that I have studied over time and I feel wholeheartedly uncomfortable being involved in online discourse that slams Jews or their traditions vis-a-vis religion. I’m an Anglican too, and understand how weird organized religion is to people that don’t follow religion at all. There is no possible way that I would accept any discourse that would start out with obvious slight towards Jewish culture & people when the word ‘goyim’ is used to set Jews up en masse as being so arrogant… Read more »
This is about a cabal, not the entire population of a faith.
One cannot undo wrongs committed in the name of those that dictate terms for the oligopoly or ‘cabal’ as you call it, if one focuses on some nefarious longwinded diatribe of a contrived historiography that descends into yet ever more rabbit holes of contrived historiography that are all layered onto top of something that starts out as biased from square one when regional hatreds reign paramount in discourse. Anyone that wades into debates about Jews and Israel ought to know that it is entirely within reason to approach regional disparity between sovereign nations and regions without engaging in historical hatred of ethnicity. Israel is a corporation and as such is liable for wrongs against the Muslim world for their serial felonies committed in the name of sovereignty and not ethnicity. One can indict & convict a corporate entity that is criminally liable for any & all crimes on the books… Read more »
I think you make great points, that these are corporations, that corporations USA and of course UK, then Saudi and Russia and China and all the rest of the players, are neck deep in this too. It’s a complicated web. It is the corporate world and mantra which needs to be dismantled, anything that produces the MIC has to be viewed as evil and treated as such, certainly not placed centre stage of human existence and given virtually unlimited freedom to do as it pleases. In the links the OP puts, Brendon does put forward a very strong case that Israel is a nefarious player in this and becoming evermore dominant, via technology transfer from the US. There is masses of evidence linking Israel to 9/11, and with this all being so serious, ie wars being waged via lies, we have to look at who the players are. The Clean… Read more »
Think laws, and officers of the corporation, and then process them in the courts, for their egregious felonies committed.
No need to use words like ‘Zionism’ or ‘Globalism’ or ‘Neoliberalism’ when one is working off of criminal code to apply it to the corporate shenanigans, and officers of the corporation.
The problem of corporate capture & law will never be addressed if these corporate entities are never challenged appropriately via criminal code & objective assessment in a court of law. In brief, logic & laws on the books are pretty much the only tools to use if one wants to indict a sovereign breaking international laws.
Cheers, MOU
There is masses of evidence linking 9/11 with Israel. Almost too obvious, really. It is hiding something.
im curious. BuntingMapIsraelChin makes some intriguing and perhaps radical assertions, but what is it about them you find ‘racist’? is BuntingMapIsraelChin making false accusations?
I don’t want to re-read his racism to answer your question, nomad. My comments were made a while ago when the thread was active.
I’m a Communist that watches out for Americans bashing Communists reflexively like knee-jerk responses that are autonomic.
Anyone that claims to be ‘a conduit of truth’ is neither truthful or acting like a conduit.
The poster is merely pushing propaganda for the Americans.
MOU
ok. thanks.
I’d like to add another curious coincidence regarding 9/11. Remember last week when the FBI said they were going to name the Saudi or Saudis that had a hand in the 9/11 attacks? Two days later, the KSA Aramco oil refinery gets attacked, and the MSM start screaming it was Iran. The Usual Suspect in the Congress say Amen to that and that story disappears, buried under war talk.
Just like what happened on 9/11. The day before, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld stated that 2.3 TRILLION was missing from the Pentagon. What should of been the lead story on 9/11 was buried in the rubble of the WTC.
Find out who created Saudi Arabia in the first instance to get closer to the perpetrator.
Rummy was point man for the entire operation and was vetted by Pentagon brass for decades before he assumed power & the helm. Rummy was front & center CNN and acted like he was a rock star politician. Rummy gave the American people financial accounting news that made him look honest & credible because it was damning information that the American taxpayers were sure to become irate over if the next day’s events did not overshadow it. Rummy was front & center for the next day’s events when he was first spotted attaining further credibility by helping assist recovery of injured personnel after the missile struck the Pentagon. Rummy was front & center CNN every step of the way and then he was holding daily news conferences via CNN which played orchestral music for soundtracks. The greatest news junkie journalist hack that ever existed was Hunter S. Thompson and he… Read more »
Thoroughly enjoyed this article, kudos!
Whitney Webb has also recently published a great article on 9-11, how 18 years after that tragic day over half of Americans doubt the official U.S. government narrative, and that the Fire Departments of NYC are now demanding a new investigation into what really happened on 9-11. From Webb’s article below linked, is a quote from NY Fire Dept Commissioner Christopher Gioia-
“Whereas, the overwhelming evidence presented in said petition demonstrates beyond any doubt that pre-planted explosives and/or incendiaries — not just airplanes and the ensuing fires — caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings, killing the vast majority of the victims who perished that day;”
https://www.mintpressnews.com/americans-questioning-official-september-11-new-wtc-7-evidence/261744/
The NYC Fire Department, the first responders to the attacks HEARD the explosions going off in the buildings. They want a new investigation, with NO GW Bush-Dickhead Cheney CIA bullshit interference. Good for them.
Don’t you nutjobs ever give up? You do realise you’re giving the Guardian a good name don’t you?
It would take a lot more than what you imagine about us lot.
Tu
Most insightful thing you’ve said all day.
from the article: “This link goes into that much deeper and is well worth your time to look it over”
Before you click on that link, it is advisable, you first develop a strategy to collect a dropped jaw from under where you’re sitting.
http://www.911history.de/aaannxyz_ch01_en.html#autoid891273/
Also, how on earth, it took 18 years for a lot of readers to see this gigantic mushroom rising after the collapse of building 7?
Convinced that dumbing down of the masses is done intentionally?
Any doubt, Controlled Corporate Media’s job is to conceal rather than reveal?
The Manhattan Project remains active even now. It was hidden in the plainest sight September 11 2001.
It’s no accident that the WTC site is called “Ground Zero”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_zero
In terms of nuclear explosions and other large bombs, the term “ground zero” (also known as “surface zero”[1]) describes the point on the Earth’s surface closest to a detonation.[2] In the case of an explosion above the ground, ground zero refers to the point on the ground directly below the nuclear detonation and is sometimes called the hypocenter (from Greek ὑπο- “under-” and center).
huh??????????
The author might do better to say ‘changed my worldview forever’ as a leveraging of narrative control that reveals a mindset – and world of perpetual war – as the means of its own ‘sustainability’. Making ‘sacred history’ of deceitful witness is surely taking the bait and running with it. The world-view and the real world are NOT the same. But acceptance – by whatever device – of the first inherently and automatically frames the perceptions and experience of the second – and determines all responses or reactions within its mind set. The mind of vengeance works self-hate under illusion of victory set over worship of grievance. It is a mind-trap. Self-hate is the root of doublethink operating as a narrative identity. The world is not as the mind has self-conditioned it to be – unless you insist. Then you have your reward until of course, you change your mind… Read more »
They weren’t passenger planes either – passenger planes have windows!
Psycho
@Joe; Psycho.
Sorry to hear about your trouble, but how can we help you?
You could disappear. That would help.
Just hold your hands over your eyes while we pinch our noses.
Joe, the Tel Aviv Central paid-troll farms are over there, in zionistan. They’re strong on trashing 11/9 truth, because – it seems increasingly likely – that it was zionistani plotters who were the ultimate architects of the atrocities; together with traitor compradors amongst the USAmerican ‘elite’ too, obviously. (Readers, please see https://bollyn.com/ for an extensive hard-evidence collection demonstrating zionistani originating-involvement in the attacks.)
But Joe, you’re going to have to up your game a whole lot on what you’ve managed so far, if you want them actually to pay you for your bollocks-inputs. Otherwise, your twelve-year-old-like efforts are just going to cause more of the derisive titters that they’ve attracted so far.
zionistani public-perception manipulators *will* pay for organised, methodical troll-work, but not for low-grade sub-teeny shite like yours has been so far.
Amazing. How do you type in a straightjacket?
Editor: Joe is clearly a witless troll. Please don’t engage with him.
I always thought the French have weight in the intellect department. I thought they wouldn’t be susceptible to tribal thinking and the people wouldn’t be led easily like sheep. The day following 9/11, the headlines in Paris claimed: Nous sommes tous Américains – “We are all Americans” My thoughts were: headlines like that meant to be sarcasm. As the French, in my thinking, expected that after the attacks to be pushed around by the US, yes, like sheep. They wouldn’t have a choice in deciding what to do as the US would effectively take over the decision making process. And surely, ever since, the French have been led like sheep and criminal/genocidal foreign policy decisions have been made in Washington. 18 years later. We saw what we saw. We know what we know, now, the least we expect from the French is to denounce those headlines made in haste and… Read more »
“I always thought the French have weight in the intellect department.”
Of course, the French have both bright people and stupid people, like every country. But one of the first people to write about a U.S. government orchestration of the 9/11 events was a French guy, Thierry Meyssan;)
@theadministrator: if you publish that article which tells us to go to Heinz Pommer website, is that because you may agree with him about the way the 3 wtc were destroyed? you wouldn’t publish something telling the true-truth of 9/11, asymmetric nuclear attack, if you didn’t accept that as the real truth.
i told you one year ago: https://off-guardian.org/2018/02/27/44920/
you even had to temporarily close the comments on the thread because the maggots CANNOT HANDLE THE TRUTH.
what did you expect? louis ‘quisling’ proyect denies the truth, as for Syria proxy war.
The enemy has many weapons. The most powerful of all appear to be psychological.
“@theadministrator: if you publish that article which tells us to go to Heinz Pommer website, is that because you may agree with him about the way the 3 wtc were destroyed?”
It almost certainly would be if the Off-Guardian were the On-Guardian, but it’s not.
Her Majesty’s Armed Forces, which include MI5/6, either believe the US government’s version of these events, or they don’t.
Complicit, at the least.
It’s not only the Official Account that needs to be cosidered. It’s also MSM outlets promoting something which can easily be debunked.
Take the Smithsonian animation of the WTC1&2 collapse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzInIjD6nKw
Now look at a picture of WTC2 collapse which is availble from Google.
Do you see the problem?
I would like the truth (Architects and Engineers) movement to go after this type of slight of hand.
Brilliantly succinct account by Greg Bacon.
(Which Greg Bacon would that be? the usual writer’s details are missing at the bottom of this excellent summary).
That would be me, the retired firefighter Greg Bacon from the USA, who also posted a 9/11 article last year that OffG wsa kind enough to print. Didn’t post my resume this time, since doing it twice would seem like bragging.
But I will post this: A few months after 9/11, I realized the official story was a combination of lies, distortions, psyops and more lies. On that day, I swore to spend the rest of my life outing these sadistic fiends.
The 343 firefighters that were brutally murdered on that day, with USG help, deserve no less from a brother firefighter.
“Ye [few] are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted?” — Matthew 5:13 (King James Version)
Respect, Greg! Keep sluggin’, bro – on behalf of your murdered brothers and sisters of the emergency services, and of all the other victims of these appalling atrocities, including all the millions – sic! – of brown-skinned victims of The War Against Terror, which the 11/9 false-flag was *carefully designed* to start.
(In Brit-English slang, ‘twat’ means two things: a vagina, and an utter, incorrigible idiot. Currently, the second usage is by far the more common. TWAT will be the death of the Anglozionst empire, because of the Olympic-grade twattery of its sponsors).
IF 9/11 was a false flag a good number of people inside the US were involved. Four buildings, four planes, four locations over big distances , , over considerable time to plan all this etc.
HOW did they communicate, as the NSA had no clue – see Edward Snowden’s eyewitness report of the chaotic evacuation of fort Meade. Not by phone / Internet.
You mean you think we should dismiss the physical impossibility of the official conspiracy theory and the multiple lines of hard evidence all pointing to a controlled demolition with clear involvement of top ranking US officials – because an alleged whistleblower says the NSA didn’t know?
I’m sure Snowden’s a great guy and his mom loves him to death but if we have to pick a winner between the universal laws of physics being turned off that day or Ed being simply wrong, I think there’s only one way to bet don’t you?
You’ve got to be a climate scientist: there is only one way. Scientific consensus = nonsense.
Abrahamic religions run on consensus.
So how did “your” demolition crews planned and communicated? Many physical meetings and papers? How were the holograms of the airliners created?
One way to elicit the kind of incredulity you exhibit would be to find conspirators planning such an attack. When you are loathed worldwide and have state of the art surveillance systems, this may not be difficult. Then just enable them to do what you would do yourself, but much less safely, and then catch them. And do whatever else that cover might provide.
This is what “I’m just a patsy” Oswald was enabled to do? Perfect cover for the people who in Operation Northwoods wanted to bomb their own people in that infamous false flag enterprise that may have led to Kennedy’s murder.
For JFK’s murder there was both motive and proof that CIA elements did it: not so for 9/11.
It is not a binary world for humans where one has to believe no conspiracies at all OR all of the theories.
Who said it was a binary world? But as in science it boils down to truth in the end, however tortuous.
He’s fond of making crap up as he goes along, regardless of the post he’s replying to.
Well Ant, we start off with the perfectly logical observation that, whatever happened on 9/11, it sure as hell isn’t what we were told. I won’t reiterate yet again that bit about defying the laws of physics – but if what we were told did happen, it would require belief in miracles that would dwarf the content of all Abrahamic religions put together.
Lame straw man argument. You flopped homey.
They had a mass huddle under the Cone of Silence in the Chief’s office before hand so they would not have to communicate in the field when the operation was initiated.
Control Agents never consort with Chaos Agents like Snowden anymore but if they need to communicate they just use their encrypted iPhone embedded in the soles of the shoes. At least that’s they way Control used to communicate back in the 60s but as I recall they used rotary phones instead.
MOU
Embarrassing.
Don’t be so hard on yourself Louis Something. You try your best.
Speaking of embarrassing, I along with others here, very much enjoyed your efforts of a few years ago to debunk Newtonian physics from the PoV of a liberal arts grad who had once worked in a tall building.
Remind us again about that. Very amusing.
18 years after the event and the best you can manage is an ad hominem – feeble Louis, very feeble. Anyway, here’s one for Mr Proyect or other neocon apologists on this thread. It’s a matter of public record that Cheney admits ordering Flight 93 to be shot down. Yet at Shanksville it was always maintained that the plane crashed into a field even though there was no debris or body parts recovered – just a ditch, albeit a ditch that looked suspiciously like a scene that had been manufactured, and, just like the twin towers, the fortuitous discovery of passports (allegedly belonging to the hijackers), as well as note containing the hijackers ‘plans’ (and, no, I am not making this up). Since there is no evidence any plane ever hit the ground at Shanksville this must mean pre-planning was required to create the impression that there had been a… Read more »
Don’t forget the Koran that the CIA found in the strip club where Atta bragged about how famous he was going to be after the CIA made him a household name, eh. The passport found at the base of the WTC wreckage was serendipitous to be sure but felling WTC 1 & 2 at free fall velocity was just spectacular engineering from my standpoint watching it all on CNN from CANUCKISTAN. When mass murderer & pure unadulterated slime of the Earth George W. Bush stated that everyone in the Western world had a choice to either support him or ‘the terrorists’ I knew right away that I had a moral duty to join ‘the terrorists’ in terms of opposition punditry. I miss the good old days of coded warnings emanating out of George Tenant’s pie hole on CNN. That was great theater especially when the ‘anthrax’ threats were directed at… Read more »
You are, Lou. But there’s no need to keep advertising it.
I have no problem with people questioning the accuracy of official explanations for events like 9/11, the Kennedy assassination and Jeffery Epstein’s ‘suicide’, to name a few of the most obvious ones. Covert operations, including false flags, conspiracies undertaken to mindfuq the public and gratuitous lying are all things that governments, intelligence agencies and their partner organizations in law enforcement, tech, finance and other sectors do on a regular basis and anyone who thinks otherwise is incredibly naive or they haven’t been paying attention. What I do, however, have a problem with is people who become convinced to the point of obsession that their preferred, and invariably flawed and incomplete, explanation of events is a self-evident and unassailable truth that is on par with the laws of physics. This is simply delusional. The ambiguities, contradictions and inconsistencies revealed by sifting though media reports, think-tank policy papers, internal documents, video footage,… Read more »
The Wolfowitz Doctrine did it along with the Council on Foreign Relations, and the supreme douchbags of human torture the ever popular Central Intelligence Agency and their subcontracting scum Mitchell & Jessen.
Bloody Gina was there too, BuckO.
MOU
Ah. I guess that’s why you go for condescending dismissal instead.
You know what I have a problem with? Pontificating intellectuals who wear their moral cowardice and refusal to engage as a mark of superiority.
Greg Bacon is a retired firefighter who cares enough about his country to speak out.
who or what are you exactly?
You have misrepresented what “Eric Blair” is saying,he is not attacking the writer ,just people like you and the other sad individuals who have predictably given him the thumbs down.
Pained Scientist
What is it about Science that pains you so?
The pain of doing it properly or the pain of the lifetime of uncertainty about the veracity of all that hard hypothesizing potentially disappearing like a desert mirage if even just one of its premises or predictions, just which depending on the problem to hand, went west?
Ever tried a Zanussi? Try taking a couple of aspirin (the Science) and having a little lie down (the Grandma).
“The people who haunt forums like this one”. ….. Forums are sites that discuss mountain biking , knitting , shed building projects etc.
You’ve landed on a Media website . No fluffy kittens here.
Try Bellingcat.
‘“The people who haunt forums like this one”. ….. Forums are sites that discuss mountain biking , knitting , shed building projects etc.’
You’ve landed on a Media website .”‘
Are you sure?
So, Eric, you think that ‘lazy thinkers do not understand logic and cannot reliably determine truth from hypothesis and fact from opinion’, but you can? Why do you think so? What makes your opinions or analyses better than those presented here? You are not presenting any specific rebuttals but are just making sweeping assertions which don’t constitute any proof whatsoever.
Eric’s hubris was earned when he signed up for Information Operations with the CIA.
Now his tradecraft is as ‘Eric Blair’ the man on the Clapham Omnibus that peddles his perceptions as ‘truth’ to be absorbed by the masses of serfs he intends on influencing one heart & mind at a time just like the CIA trained him.
Eric was hired on a CIA make work project but he does get minimum wage now that he has passed basic training at Langley.
MOU
Given the uninitiated illiterate greater fools that downvoted the ‘truth’ so eloquently expressed in my post I, for one, would like the downvoters to understand that ‘Eric Blair’ is actually George Orwell’s real life name. Historically, the dumb arse downvoters should also be aware of the fact that Eric Blair was employed as a propagandist by the United Kingdom all throughout the Second World War and even before that too. I actually like the real Eric Blair as he was a great writer, but the fake ‘Eric Blair’ on this forum is tasked to fellate Orange Jesus Cheeto-head-in-cheese so that dupes like the readership on most blogs think that the Orange One is not really deranged, incompetent, and certifiably insane. The CIA should have the intelligence to advise their operatives to utilize common names that are not immediate giveaways of famous authors with literary talents admired all over the world.… Read more »
What if Trump meant what he says and is constricted by the confines of the US government ?
What if he just isn’t finessed and slick ?
After all, he didn’t actually set fire to Libya did he ?
He didn’t send troops into NW Syria and pretend he didn’t.
He isn’t the one who layed the path to hell. He isn’t adored by the media.
Maybe it’s simpler than some may think.
Everybody knows who Eric Blair is.
If the Government of the United States of America had any sense with regard to business at the international level they would completely change course on the world and become an honest arbiter in terms of the hegemonic macroeconomic system they would really like to govern honestly for ‘we the people’ across the world. America is not up to the task of rebuilding the global economic system from the ground up. The facts of contemporary life at this late nadir of macroeconomic incompetence that was ushered in by the Neoliberal Chicago School of Economics via Strauss et al. has in fact given us a crashed USD reserve currency that cannot be revived by pretending that the entire economic system has not indeed crashed. If the USA real power brokers had any sense of what to do at all they would not have an idiot like Trump in the Whore House.… Read more »
What if Spock & Captain Kirk ran into the Klingons….?
Let’s talk about more important stuff like old Star Trek episodes that don’t involve that mentally disturbed character you keep referencing at the beginning of every sentence.
Why does that character get worked into discourse anymore?
I will leave the online chat with you people if every thread turns to reference of that twat clown you have in office.
I’ve had enough, man.
MOU
You win the prize for the most gratuitously insulting reply to the “Eric Blair post.The CIA operative here will be the one who does most to cause pointless discussion and so distract from any sober understanding.However,given the number of useful idiots posting here who will do the job for free,they probably haven’t bothered to do anything on this particular thread.
Thanks for the accolades, JT. I always try to be magnanimous & generous too. My dead poet old mother taught me to hurl epithets like a longshoreman before I was in grade school back in Toronto in the 60s, man.
If you grow up in Toronto you know how to fight & be gratuitously insulting whilst walking & chewing gum all at the same time.
CANUCKS are ambidextrous.
MOU
Well try reading what he has said with an open mind. He explained why he thinks so,to my satisfaction anyway.Which one of the various explanations or “truths” do you think is the correct one,with your superior mind it should be easy.
There are some interesting points in what you say. On one side there are people who correctly advance major holes in an official narrative, but then go on to develop further theories to prove what did happen. Inevitably different possible scenarios are suggested where as you say, all can’t be right. This then gives ammunition to state players who dismiss everything as ‘conspiracy theories’. Likewise they will pick up on a mistake identified in the hypothesis, as evidence to prove the whole official report is correct and should be questioned no further. I have seen this tactic used to close down further discussion on many events. I often wonder if people who are critical thinkers correctly questioning narratives ( which as history shows often gets debunked years later) should follow a position such as ‘ these are the major holes in the official line, please address these discrepancies’. The onus… Read more »
The dodgy goings on in places like Syria are not really in contention. Our governments freely admit to pursuing regime change, and anyone with any critical faculties can see that they are being fed a lot of propaganda from the MSM.
Also, there are many credible whistle blowers, and growing all the time.
There are no 9/11 whistle blowers after 20 years.
“There are no 9/11 whistleblowers after 20 years.” Er – yes there are. Quite a few, and all much sooner dissenting than 20 years. Try this to bring you up to speed:
https://www.corbettreport.com/911whistleblowers/
I watched it last week. No sign of whistle blowers there.
I’m waiting for one of the hundreds of insiders such a plot would have to involve to spill the beans.
We do know that there were conspiracies to train Jihadists, and that they are ongoing. Haven’t come across any meaningful whistle blowing though. Despite being a sceptic of the official story myself.
Hi GlassH – it seems to me you are proposing a new approach to criminal investigation i.e. that no crime can ever be ascertained unless one of the criminals admits to it.
“it seems to me you are proposing a new approach to criminal investigation i.e. that no crime can ever be ascertained unless one of the criminals admits to it.”
Hello again George, I hope you are enjoying your upvotes. And that you have realized what a stupid, pseudo metric of SFA they are.
But no, he is not suggesting that. However, I am suggesting that your handle on the (amongst other aspects) meaning of ‘whistleblower’ is sub-standard button pushy at best.
…(amongst other aspects, legal) meaning)…
Well Robbo, I never was one to make an issue over the “whistleblower” angle. I was simply responding to GHopper’s blasé insistence on having those strange creatures around before we can make any kind of assertion. This seemed to me to be a perfectly obvious case of a self-proclaimed “sceptic” stalling the issue.
Also, I find your comments to be almost as enigmatic as a “down” vote. (Or possibly “up” vote? It’s hard to tell.)
I don’t see any reason for this blasé assumption that 9/11 as inside-job would have involved “hundreds of insiders”. The whole of our modern society is based on division of labour. Vast numbers of people (actually everyone) is caught up in a productive network where they have no idea where their labour fits in to the overall scheme. And similarly they have no idea about the productive conditions behind the goods they buy. And that’s a matter that applies to regular goods and services. When it comes to secret plots and intelligence agencies, we can expect even greater obfuscation at all levels.
Furthermore, you seem to be a very odd case of “a sceptic of the official story myself”. You are clearly rejecting the inside-job thesis. So what does YOUR scepticism actually amount to?
Excellent response,it takes Eric Blair’s post and moves it on a bit.
Eric, you are one of those “lazy thinkers” who think that because print is patient, you can waste a lot of words saying nothing more than, A plague on all your houses!.
“A supposition so absurd that 15,000 scientists, including 52 Nobel Laureates and 63 recipients of the National Medal of Science disagreed.”
How to say something without actually saying anything.
‘What I do, however, have a problem with is people who become convinced to the point of obsession that their preferred, and invariably flawed and incomplete, explanation of events is a self-evident and unassailable truth that is on par with the laws of physics.’ – silly strawman, Eric – you are better than that.
Nobody claims a truth that is ‘on par with the laws of physics’ – most of us are simply saying the official version of 9/11 was a lie, and transparently so to all but the dimmest, or most blinkered minds, and that we would finally like this crime to properly investigated (and by a body not fatally compromised by those appointing them).
Of course a proper investigation is unlikely while certain individuals have so much to hide and while the MSM pretend not to notice gaping holes in the 2 plane 3 building conspiracy theory.
The majority of the media were probably like the 19 patsies without Islam thrown in. Loads at college will have drunk copious amounts of alcohol, many will have snorted cocaine and if they didn’t live with pink haired strippers, they probably did have girlfriends who would get seriously down and dirty for free…
How many journalists do you know who are both intellectually capable and morally principled?
Julian Assange is one and he is in jail.John Pilger is another and MSM would not touch him with a barge pole.
You get a job in MSM by being a moral vacuum with writing skills.
The MSM is the last place on earth to expect false flag events to be investigated.
I think that is what Eric was saying,unless I completely miss read his post.
Neatly packaged there Eric. A good lesson in how to do a large scale ad hominem…..you could have just called them thick liars and quasi-religious nutters.
Small numbers of people could have been involved in Kennedy and Epstein, but 9/11 is another ball game and would involve hundreds of people.
Where are the whistleblowers? (Yes, I’ve seen the Corbett film)
I mean people who were actually involved and have decided to spill the beans. There are none.
Great post Eric.
Anyone involved 911 would have good reason to keep quiet. If the MSM exposed the truth its own complicity would be revealed. However the judicious application of electrodes to Larry Silverstein’s anatomy would reap dividends.
I agree. There would have to be hundreds. Over a thirty year period as per Bob Kerry. In addition to the planners who arranged for air defense to be disabled, the command staff that went along with it, the pilots who actually flew the planes, probably by remote control, demolition experts and installers, the people who financed the operation and those who profited from it, the people who rushed to remove the debris evidence and provide the coverup, just off the top of my head. Got to be hundreds. I was disappointed that Corbett’s “whistleblowers” included none of those who participated in committing the crime.
Very well said George,and I am afraid the 23 down votes (as I type) are sadly all too predictable in the comments here.Only a fool,or someone paid to,would believe the official account,but as you rightly point out,it is impossible with the evidence to hand to know the truth,I have my own ideas but I keep them to myself.It is my opinion that many of those obsessives you refer to are much more interested in the process that arriving at the truth.The truth being that we will not know for many years, if ever, who was responsible.
What a pontificating mini-echo chamber of straw men you present. I haven’t seen any “fanatically convinced” ranting from 9/11 sceptic comments in this site – or on most others. Most of the sceptical researchers I have read have been quite willing to revise their ideas when new info arrives.
“freedom loving people”
All men love freedom but no nation values it less than the United States, which is notorious for its conformity and its impatience with dissent.
The entire USA system of banking was leveled & imploded March 10th 2008 when Bear Stearns was ground zero part deux: Payback Time for the George W. Bush Torture Regime. That sequel to the terrorist reign of the neocons was their comeuppance but they are just far too ignorant to accept that zero sum end game result. Now the global economy will sputter along until about October before it all crashes outright for the second coming of the first 08 financial crisis that was never ameliorated or even remotely addressed systemically by the last 12 years of Quantitative Easing that rendered both the Federal Reserve Banking System and Reserve Currency USD wholly unsustainable for neither bond markets, trading of stocks, or as a systemically viable reserve for currency worldwide. USD will inflate, and then it will deflate to a point of hyperinflation which will end USD and the defunct superstructure… Read more »
it will deflate to a point of hyperinflation
Maybe you can make a video with a balloon, to demonstrate how that’s supposed to work.
USD used to be popular amongst competitor nations like China & the Russian Federation but now they are not buying treasuries that back the geopolitically significant USD Reserve Currency quite as much as they used to. Pretty soon they will acquire enough gold bullion to make their own currencies much more valuable than USD given that USD is backed by nothing but imprimatur & US energy in the form of oil. Currently, the world is divesting of oil and switching to renewables en masse due to Climate Evolution. As USD deflates in terms of demand for treasury auctions and China & the Russian Federation decide to dump treasuries in unison we will evidence the Federal Reserve engage in success rounds of Quantitative Easing which is exactly the same damn thing that the Weimar Republic did to render currency worthless. They, like the Federal Reserve, hyperinflated the value of their currency… Read more »
The world is not divesting itself of oil in favor of renewables. That is pseudoscientific Liberal Guardian bullshit.
Oil doesn’t just power turbines in power stations, it’s a basic building block of western civilisation. Without oil no plastics,no plastics no computers, no phones, no micro technology, and no fricken wind turbines or solar cells.
Those statistics they publish about divestment are bullshit for arts grads who don’t get it.
Do we need clean energy? Sure. Are we anywhere near getting it? Nope. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a scam artist
I was raised on oil, mines, and resource taxation by my Chartered Accountant father who once worked for National Revenue CANADA in Senior Rulings of the Oil, Mines, & Resources Taxation Department.
CANADA is divesting from oil with Carbon Based Taxation. We recognize the long term aspects of oil sales and we will continue selling Alberta Tar Sands well into the future but we are building on renewables to offset costs for carbon taxation on oil. Governments aside from the USA are heavily invested in Carbon Based Taxation plans for carbon capture & commoditization.
Canada is also very energy dependent as is the USA but we are much more innovative politically when it comes to divestment of oil and investment into renewables. The USA is essentially retarded when it comes to Climate Change as only 38% of Americans support the theory.
MOU
Second that, Montmorency!
We should have in mind that a hundred years ago there was no plastic at all, and that since then technological development has accelerated at a stunning rate.
It really isn’t so far-fetched, for example, to imagine that good old-fashioned glass might be used in solar cells instead of plastic…
My point is that people are still inventive creatures, and it certainly doesn’t need to be taken for granted that what we have now is the same as what we must consider ourselves stuck with after another hundred years.
It takes a lot of energy to debunk conspiracy theories. So I’ll start off in a more simple manner:
I was intrigued by this genius “physicist’s'” claim that “nearly one TRILLION dollars in missing gold and silver from WTC 4 might of had something to do with [the] False Flag”. So I clicked the hyperlink and realized that this guy can’t even perform basic addition properly.
The total sum of the missing gold and silver, as given in that linked article, is around 1000 million. Or, for us simpler folk, $1 billion. Not “one TRILLION”.
Surprisingly, the editors here didn’t catch this basic error. As for the rest of the claims made by the author, they contain the usual screeching of how X could have happened, when his untrained mind expected Y to happen. Boring.
Downvote away…
Greg Bacon is not a physicist and does not claim to be one. Thanks for calling the typo, but we’re a little puzzled why you think this ‘debunks’ anything.
Hey Admin! I haven’t commented here in a while. Good to see you. That was sarcasm on my part. He questions how this or that building could have fallen, and questions the official explanations. But on what basis is he throwing doubt on the official claims? Whenever I see people try to use their “common sense” to criticize the official 9/11 story, I always become doubtful. You’re welcome, but with all due respect, I think the author made more than a typo. He implies that 9/11 was an inside job because $1 billion dollars of gold is unaccounted for. But that’s not really that much gold, at least in relation to the work and planning required for this to be an “inside job”. Further, he uses publicly-available, dated information. How do we know that the $1 billion is still unaccounted for? Maybe it isn’t anymore. Using a dated article, from… Read more »
If 9/11 was just a heist it was the dumbest, noisiest job ever: guys who wanted to be caught – although it was technically hard. Needs not one split personality but a whole gang with that. Thousands of deaths too; no morals on top.
You are the first person ever that i have read suggest that ‘9/11 was just a heist’.
(Bacon doesn’t.)
@Matt – Admin is a functionary ID not an individual. I’m afraid I don’t know who you are since I’ve only been doing this since May. Sorry about that.
US $1 billion in gold is over 15 metric tons easily: many strong guys and a heavy truck needed http://demonocracy.info/infographics/world/gold/gold.html
conspiracy theories
If you have a non-conspiracy theory of what actually happened on 9/11/2001, I’m sure a lot of people would be curious to hear it.
It doesn’t usually take much energy to debunk coincidence theories, because they’re so wildly improbable, to the point that most people would be content to dismiss them as impossible. Like the idea that four airplanes could be simultaneously hijacked, without the various hijackers having any knowledge of each other.
Or is that example not what you have in mind, when “debunking conspiracy theories”?
(These disinfo trolls are so obvious; they always use exactly the same arguments, almost word-for-word. It’s almost like they’re copying from a script their CIA handlers gave them.)
https://utpress.utexas.edu/books/dehaven-smith-conspiracy-theory-in-america
@Matt: “Downvote away…”
Right ho, Matt! Ever ready to oblige an obfuscatory nitpicker.
I did make a mistake on the amount of gold and silver looted from WTC 4 the night BEFORE 9/11 and for that I apologize.
But I don’t apologize for my fervor in outing this false flag.
I’d like Dick Cheney to know, before he has his next heart attack, that WE know.
(or whatever heartless people suffer from in their old age…)
We know enough to not go hunting with him that’s for sure.
MOU
the Black Fire Chief who was in Building 7 was Told to Get the hell out of There it is about to be Pulled he was interviewed on Live TV repeating what he was Told and Said As i ran out the Front Doors i Heard BoomBoomBoom and the Building came down behind me.now he Stuck with his Story but 3 days later was Killed in a Car “Accident” a Dutch Demolition expert Shown the Footage of Building 7 said it was a Classic example of a Controlled Demolition He was Killed days later.
Looks like they’re going to have to kill many of millions of Americans if they want their ridiculous story to appear credible for the next couple of decades…
This can only be happening if what the Tibetan monks are alleged to believe is true:
That there are people walking around amongst us who look human, but are not.
After 9/11 I can well believe it.
For the record, I don’t mean “lizard people” or any such nonsense.
I mean soulless people.
WarDropper, Dante says the same as those Tibetan monks. The Last Circle of Inferno holds the souls of distinguished traitors (such as TB.Liar and these 911 plotters) who weep frozen tears over all the good they could have done with their great gifts. Unlike any other sin, traitors need not wait till after death to receive their punishment. At the very instant of treachery the soul of the traitor is plucked from its body and plunged into a frozen Hell. Meanwhile the body itself still “walks and talks and puts on clothes”. A graphic description of BLiar, Cheney, Wolfoschitz and all the other ghouls. Just look at their faces — (or preferably not).
Most encouraging, Vexarb.
Many thanks!
Pity Dante was a poet instead of an immortal judge, and that one has to be a Catholic to take his ideas as practical guidelines.
In general religious terms, I suspect even the traitors have to wait until after death, although I must admit I agree with you on the matter of their faces, which I have looked at often enough.
How incomprehensibly malevolent must be the minds of those that planned and executed this?. The controlled demolition of the towers while thousands of people inside. And the hundreds on the planes? If the planes that hit the towers and pentagon and crashed in Pennsylvania were not the hijacked airliners, which appears to be the case, wouldn’t the passengers and crews of those planes have to be disposed of some other way? Truly, the people that did this are not really human.
https://youtu.be/1lH0V0J5iDI
Indeed so.
But “incomprehensibly malevolent” is slowly becoming less incomprehensible as the scale of the entire crime gets more and more exposure.
I am not a world expert on 9/11, but I have been looking at it pretty closely for quite a few years now, and there does seem to be credible evidence for the planes not being civilian aircraft at all. One witness is heard shouting something like, “That’s not an American Airlines plane, it’s a military plane -gray-coloured”, while another said, “There were no windows”…
There also appeared to be a strange attachment to the bottom of the fuselage on at least one of the planes, which argues that the plane would not have taken off from a civilian airport, since people would naturally have asked, “What’s that thing?”…
Thanks for the link. Very useful and informative.
But it was a Cruise Missile that hit the Pentagon as No Sign of a commercial Plane in the Hole in Building no Wheels Fuselage Baggage ,Seats Passengers,.a Witness said she saw No Bodies no Plane Parts as she left the Building , No Footage Ever Released from all the Confiscated Video of a Plane flying into Pentagon.
Nomad, I upvoted your concern for the passengers of those airliners because you raise and important point that has been often overlooked. I read yesterday (forget where) that American Airlines denied such flight numbers having taken off on that day; and the denial vanished from the internet. Worth remembering, especially in conjunction with WarDroppers answer to you.
Thanks, vexarb. Once I let the idea that the planes that crashed into the towers were not the hijacked airliners and the other crash sites don’t seem to be planes at all the question looms large -what happened to the people on the planes? After 18 years they don’t seem to have reemerged, like some of the alleged hijackers seem to have done. Haven’t contacted families. We have to assume they are dead and would have had to have been executed in some coldblooded fashion. Were any of their remains ever found at any of the crash sites? How many people were aboard those planes? Did you see that video I posted above? This is the first time I have heard about the alleged phone call from the doomed airliner where the woman whispers the final words, “it’s a frame”. Chilling.
“Once I let the idea sink in…” The call would have had to have been made under coercion and there was none of the background noise one might have expected if it had actually been made from an airliner. Chilling. Haunting.
Some of the best 9/11 videos focus on the crudely photoshopped plane strikes. 20-minutes of research would convince anyone that there were no planes to a beyond reasonable doubt standard of proof.
Too bad new York is not Hong Kong. Although a million people on the streets demanding the truth sounds like peanuts for New York. But it can’t be done. People are too busy to sacrifice a day to get the truth about the Manhattan Conspiracy that took the lives of thousands on its first day and millions thereafter. Land of the free? Home of the brave? What a freaking farce.
Land of the slave and home of the indentured into servitude is more like it if one looks at debt that banks issue so that nobody has spare time working 24/7/365 to pay for bank debts that cannot be paid off as a general rule if most borrowers remain in debt for life. The greater fools of debt servitude in the USA owe $1.77 for every dollar they get paid which means that even if they wanted to pay off their debt they would not have any discretionary or disposable income left to live. If they decide to stop the treadmill of debt they only have one choice of bankruptcy. Debt servitude for ‘Mericans is the only way they know how to live unless they make significant disposable income or are speculative investors with money to burn if bets go South. Socialism for the rich and subprime Capitalism for the… Read more »
The figure of 1 TRILLION seems incorrect. The given link is talking about $959 milion.
Pls confirm!
The American regime is essentially a product of a lawless relationship with the rest of the world.
Basically they are cowboys and everybody else are indians.
At first they killed poor foreigners until they became so drunk on lack of accountability that they started bumping off their own presidents then thousands of their own civilians.
Needless to say the media play their role in maintaining ludicrous illusions about the US being the ‘world’s policeman’ no matter how detached from reality this nonsense has become.
How else do you explain a patently false cover story to justify mass murder in the middle of New York while the likely architects got rich plundering countries that have never been a threat to the USA?
The article says it all.
Nothing to add.
The fine details, however, would fill libraries.