The Rule of the Mob: Labour Conference Banner Banned, Slashed
Peter Gregson
On Sunday 22nd Sept, I, a Labour Party member since 1986, had my banner taken down from outside Conference. Why? The police agreed it was not anti-Semitic. When Zionists first started complaining about it, the police photographed it and referred it to their superiors. Not a problem, they said. The banner could stay.
But the Zionists, from the Jewish Labour Movement (JLM) and the Sussex Friends of Israel (FoI) were incandescent with rage. Repeatedly they complained and when the police refused to act, they took the law into their own hands.
Cllr Joshua Garfield from Newham Council rushed past me at the banner and slashed it in two. The police apprehended him and removed the large sharp scissors he had used and took his details. (Later Garfield boasted about it on twitter.)
The Secretary from Labour Against the Witch-hunt and I repaired it. Yet again it was attacked, ripped in half again by another Zionist. We repaired it again.
At this point local hoodlum Simon Cobbs (Founder of Sussex Friends of Israel and ex-resident of HMP Exeter) stood spread-eagled before it and refused to move. After an hour of this he moved away, whereupon another extremist rushed the banner and this time ripped it in several places.
On each occasion we repaired the banner, and on each occasion the police caught the assailant and took their details.
The police asked me if I would consider taking down the banner; I said I would not do this- I explained this was a matter of freedom of speech; I was in a public space, the banner was not anti-Semitic.
Eventually, a group of Zionists stood before the banner and created a scene, arguing and shouting with a group of us who defended the banner, supporters of free speech. At a certain point the police made the decision that a possible public order offence had been committed. They removed the banner and took it away.
The police explained that it was now evidence in a potential public order charge….AGAINST me!
It would appear the police had been bullied into making a decision into taking my banner on the grounds that I had committed a public order offence, rather than those who had been harassing and attacking me, calling me an anti-Semite. Readers can see the slashed banner here.
Later that day, Jeremy Corbyn waded in. He tweeted:
I’m disgusted that this banner was displayed near our #Lab19 conference centre. We asked the police to remove it and I’m glad they did. This kind of antisemitic poison has no place whatsoever in our society.”
I'm disgusted that this banner was displayed near our #Lab19 conference centre.
We asked the police to remove it and I'm glad they did.
This kind of antisemitic poison has no place whatsoever in our society.https://t.co/YvL3LloYC4
— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) September 23, 2019
This brought forward 1,800 responses, many from people who couldn’t see anything anti-Semitic about the banner at all. Even the artist, Latuff, said so:
No, Mr. @jeremycorbyn that banner was not disgusting.
Disgusting is:
-how the #Israel Lobby™ weaponize anti-Semitism to silence critics.
-how you bowed down to your detractors and ordered removal of a banner with a @Mondoweiss cartoon I made in defense of you!
Shame on you! https://t.co/HIUxZfw8Aq pic.twitter.com/T4IewVOH1p
— Carlos Latuff (@LatuffCartoons) September 23, 2019
On the Monday, I attended a voluntary interview at the John Street police station where I was interviewed under caution with the duty solicitor present. I explained what the banner was about and why I had brought it to Brighton, to promote political discussion on the weaponization of anti-Semitism.
I explained about the Al-Jazeera documentary on which the banner was based, The Lobby , which portrayed how Israel funds the take-down of politicians sympathetic to Palestine, using groups such as the JLM and the FoI.
I noted the banner had particular relevance at this time. An election was coming and that once the date was announced, newspapers would be full of accusations of anti-Semitism aimed at Labour politicians who have dared to criticise Israel, in an effort to undermine their vote. I thought it important to point out the role a foreign country was having in British electoral affairs.
I concluded by telling the police that I was disappointed in them for undermining my freedom of speech.
The police must now decide if they will ask the CPS to prosecute me; it is likely to be months before a decision is made.
In the meantime, I will pursue claims of criminal damage against those who attacked my banner and against the police for taking it down, for the Human Rights Act of 1998 – Article 10 protects my right to hold my own opinions and to express them freely without government interference, including through works of art.
The next day, Rabbi Ahron Cohen of the Neturei Karta spoke to me and gave his view that he could not fathom any way that the banner was anti-Semitic.
Many are dumbfounded at Corbyn’s tweet describing it as such. When the Lobby film was shown in 2017, its fairness and accuracy was supported by OFCOM and Corbyn called for an investigation, so he knew that Israel pumps millions of pounds into Zionist defamation activities in the UK with the sole aim of shutting down any debate on Israel’s racist treatment of Arabs and Christians.
However, according to the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism adopted by most political parties, to say that Israel is a racist endeavour is now seen as prejudice against Jews.
The banner says: “IHRA: tell the NEC how you feel”, because I wanted Labour members to tell the Party’s National Executive Committee (NEC) to abandon the IHRA definition they adopted a year ago, an action Corbyn himself objected to.
Party members are now beholden to a definition whereby any activist criticising Israel as racist becomes an anti-Semite, a plainly ludicrous claim. This enables Zionists to make endless charges of anti-Semitism against anti-apartheid activists.
Most of these accusations come from the JLM, registered as a socialist society affiliated to Labour.
I am chair of Labour Against Zionist Islamophobic Racism (LAZIR), a group of Labour Party activists which sees Zionism as racism and who want to end its influence, seeking to get the JLM disaffiliated. At the Conference, we distributed 1,500 flyers to Party members calling for this, highlighting the JLM’s role in undermining any politician who supports Palestine and criticises Israel.
Corbyn’s pro-Palestine stance has drawn JLM’s ire and they have declared Corbyn “unfit to be prime minister”. They score Labour candidates seeking election according to their level of support for Israel, working with the media to undermine whose whom they don’t like or who support Corbyn.
A tweet from a man at LP Conference showing plans to attack Corbyn and Labour with “big stories” come election time
One doesn’t have to be either Jewish or in the Labour Party to be in the JLM.
Labour’s founding planks are fairness, equality and social justice. LAZIR point out that JLM’s sole focus is on protecting Israel, sharing none of Labour’s values in their disregard for Palestinian rights.
I emailed Corbyn in response to the tweet, pointing out the Rabbi’s views and that he himself had called for an investigation into Israel’s work undermining UK politicians; he had also not supported Labour adopting the full IHRA definition.
I copied in all NEC members and drew this response from Jon Lansman:
I do not wish to receive any more of your messages. Your obsessive hatred of those you call “Zionists” marks you out as an anti-Semite. To be clear, you do not have my permission to retain my contact details so please delete them and never contact me again.”
Lansman is Momentum leader and the man responsible for getting the IHRA definition adopted by Labour in 2018. He is a strong supporter of Israel and spent years on a kibbutz. He is also one of the nine CLP reps on the NEC and as such was elected to represent the views of CLP members, including me. I consider that as my rep, Lansman must accept that part of his role is to receive communications on Labour Party matters from members.
Labour’s deputy leader Tom Watson couldn’t resist wading in as well, saying in the Jewish Chronicle he was furious about this “deliberate intimidation of Jewish Labour members at the conference”.
He said “Regardless of where and why it is outrageous to come to a conference of a democratic party and to intimidate people who are just trying to make the world a better place.” I do not consider Watson’s unbridled support for Israel is in any way making the world a better place.
I am now in discussion with my solicitors; I will seek redress through the courts.
NOTES:-
Latuff’s cartoon was first published in September 2018, when it was used to illustrate Gregson’s article Why let Netanyahu write the Labour rulebook?
See the footage of the police removing the banner at LBC here. More on this, including the links to the many publications who carried the story, can be found at lazir.org
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Props up for the people who do not bow, being attacked by the cowards, the hypocrite and corrupt, and the weak.
Pro-Palestinian members of the Labour Party are constantly rendered impotent as they are systematically being expelled. Constituency Chairs are terrified that their constituency will be shut down if they dare speak against NEC, but more members suffer for daring to do so. It is difficult for Corbyn to stand up straight without a back bone.
Perhaps it isn’t so much that they are pro-Palestinian, but that they are Jew-haters? That ever crossed your mind?
MASTER OF UNIVE
Please provide credible examples of antisemitism in the Labour party.
WitchHunt (the silencing of pro-Palestinian UK Labour Party activists)
Talking of Gnasher Jew.
THE TROLLS ATTACKING CORBYN SUPPORTERS.
Check out the link to the map.
Are you on there?
Oops.
https://dorseteye.com/the-trolls-attacking-corbyn-supporters/
This thread is not as trivial as it appears. The Blairite wing of the Labour party is deeply engaged in an Anglo Zio Capitalist war against humanity, which was officially kicked off by former Labour PMs TB.Liar (now Director in House of Rothschild) and Brown (now director in Rothschild’s Carlyle.co) getting Britain to invade Serbia, Iraq and Libya. That AZC Resource War continues in the real world, in Syria, Lebanon, Iran and Yemen:
PacificNorthwest #302010
Ansarullah Quds-1 cruise missile (used in the stunning attack on Saudi Arabia’s Oil crown jewel) has been reviewed by Noted MIT physicist Ted Postol.
His conclusion: “Contrary to claims by fake ‘experts’ in the media, this missile has a range of about 1,400 km…easily able to strike the Aramco facilities, which are only about 1,100 km from Houthi-controlled territory…
NB, the Pentagon has NOT accused Iran of the strike and is keeping quiet, knowing full well that the Quds cruise missile came from Houthi territory… ”
Canthama #302013
Some of the Quds cruise missiles are Soviet designed, so Yemen had them and improved with Iranian technology supplied by Hezb Allah, which has many engineers in Yemen for the past few years.
The West and Israel [AZC vendetta against Iran] opened a north front in Syria; when they realized they had lost Syria they opened a south front in Yemen; and when most recently they realized they were losing in Yemen, they aimed to open an east front against Iran from NATZO forces based in the Persian Gulf — especially from the AZC oil company known as the KSA. Then came the missiles, when lowly backward Yemen showed their technical capabilities.
The AZC Leadership of the West and Israel have freaked out; they realize too late they have completely lost the offensive in a low intensity war, and may need to go on defensive strategy from now onwards [or launch WW3].
Rothschild, a name which is not mentioned nearly enough when we speak of who is responsible for these wars and the vile nature of this world we live in. I Imagine it is Rothschild who Bibi takes his orders from. Brendon O Connell’s last video was Rothschild-centric, detailed, and stayed online for about 5 minutes. The Beast family
Here’s another banner, a better one, from outside the Tory conference:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFnftfMWwAEGukC?format=jpg&name=small
Mucho , I suspect The Yahoo does not take orders from Rothschild (exceeept in his official capacity as Prime Minister of Rothschild’s Israel project). I think he belongs to the group of U$ Dual Citizen Deplorables allied to Trump rather than to the traditional UK Aristocracy of Money who supported Hilary (remember, Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford). The reasons for my suspicion are personal, slight and convoluted. Firstly I noticed that Natan Yahoo got very little support from the Mainstream press when he tried to take over Gaza’s offshore gas fields, even though he used the same strategy that had enabled Bush & B.Liar to take over the Iraqi oil fields. This made me suspect that Natan Yahoo’s capitalist backers were not in the mainstream Rothschild camp ie, did not own the Main Stream Media which had supported TB.Liar up to the hilt.
Secondly, I noticed that Natan Yahoo was the only World Leader who stuck his neck out and supported the election campaign of Donald Trump. The mainstream supported Hilary who later became Grandma Goldman Sachs, which is a Rothschild bank (remember, both TB.Liar and Gordon Brown became directors in Rothschild companies when they left office).
Well, well! Looks like Impeachmentgate is headed for Britain: British PM Boris Johnson faces probe over alleged links to U.S. businesswoman:
Pure theater
Note to Editor: This article is fomenting hatred toward an identifiable minority, and you are fomenting even more hatred by assuming incorrectly that free speech rights can be used to incite hate towards an identifiable minority under the guise of free speech & the rights paradigm.
I could motion to have Off-G charged with facilitating hate towards an ethnic minority if you don’t believe me.
I like Off-G when there is no racist tripe. Please understand that I really don’t appreciate racism at all. I was raised from childhood not to tolerate it whatsoever.
Keep it up and you will lose your ability to publish on Internet.
best, MOU
Irish MP reads out quotes made by Israeli Ministers in 2014 and 2015
Thanks for that, Barrat is very brave and very clear, very few people get up in public and talk the talk like that.
Jezza is just a good little Shabbos goy.
Mustn’t “offend” our Zionist masters and wire pullers.
Here is more on the lobby. It should be henceforth simply be called ‘The Lobby’, like ‘The Mafia’ – as it is of the same business model. Extortion, blackmailing, defamation and profiteering from rigged markets. How far the extending octopodial arms of The Lobby™ reach can easily be imagined. They affect all areas of Western life. Make that ‘life’ in general. You may read my first comment further below to understand why it is imperative to make lobbying illegal and bring to justice those individuals whose lobbying created evidenced and provable crimes. Here is the link:
The Lobby™ is controlling everything
(From Iranian PressTV)
Can’t wait for the next general election when the labour party will be obliterated
Good for you and I wish you every success !
I’d say this calls for a better script writer.
J.C.’s response was inadequate.
If you use terms like ‘Zionism’ you are promulgating hatred towards an identifiable minority and are liable for punishment & conviction in secular society in the Western empire. You are better off not walking around with pictures of Chairman Mao is you want to make it with anyone anyhow, Mr. Gregson.
Best off not to be a hatemonger racist in my humble opinion. You would be better served if you utilized the UK courts if you had demonstrable evidence against the Corporation of Israel but if you start spouting racist claptrap and end up offending Jewish people that live around that kind of racism you will find demonstrators demonstrating against your particular brand of reflexive hatred aimed at ethnicity that you seem to have a problem with.
UK courts & Crown Duty Counsel will deal with you harshly if you use terms like ‘Zionism’ or ‘Zionist’ simply because it is indeed a racist term given that Israel is merely a corporation.
MOU
Excuse me? You mean that the term “zionist” is illegal? Better prosecute Wikipedia then…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
….and the publisher of almost every dictionary.
You and I also used it in our posts, so I think we’d better come quietly officer.
Wikipedia defines the word use for Internet users. Wikipedia does not use the term as a racial slur against Jewish people from Israel or anywhere in the world. Wikipedia does not foment hatred with the definition it lists.
Promulgating hate towards an identifiable minority in any Western sovereign nation is a breach of Charter Rights guaranteed constitutionally across all domain in the Western empire.
To blanket all Jewish people in the world with the tar & brush tactic of racial slur is bad enough but to tar & feather all Jews in the world as being ‘Zionists’ is to cross the line of reasonableness into the perilous territory of racial hatred.
Good freaking luck in the Superior Court of the United Kingdom, Brother Mike.
MOU
MoU, would you be kind enough to explain clearly how the author of this article and/or the actions it describes and/or its publishers here (Off Guardian) deliberately use or imply any kind of racist slur by using the words “Zionism” and “zionist”?
You wrote:
I agree, and sincerely believe that when the editors of Off Guardian express similar sentiments in their comments on their website they agree with you too. But neither this article nor this website is guilty of any kind of blanket treatment of any people that I can detect. If you have any information that corrects my impression, I would like to hear it.
Earlier, you wrote:
I understand this paragraph, as does Mike Ellwood above, to mean that any use of words like “zionist” or “Zionism” is racist and thus illegal. That’s a new and bizarre idea to me. Your response to Mike Ellwood is an insufficient explanation of “If you use terms like ‘Zionism’ you are promulgating hatred towards an identifiable minority”.
From Wikipedia’s entry on Zionism:
And:
If some people, whether Jewish or non-Jewish, engage in Zionist activities and knowingly – on Wikipedia’s definition, in your own words non-racist – act on that definition and its complex implications as some sort of moral justification for carrying out repeated destructive acts against a demonstration banner, surely referring to those people in an article as Zionist is a statement of fact. As Zionism is currently active and not located only in the distant past, and seeing as its tenets are part of the reason for the pain and tragedy of the Israel-Palestine problem and most assuredly of that of the Palestinian people, using it as a term to describe an event that is most definitely rooted in that very problem cannot reasonably be said to “blanket all Jewish people in the world”. It is therefore a usage of that word that isn’t “for Internet users” as a neutral description as per the Wikipedia example and yet is also not a ‘racial slur’. I don’t doubt that there can be racist uses of ‘zionist’ and ‘Zionism’, but see no instance of that here.
First off, I am a WASP and not Jewish, but if you want me to become a Jew just keep bashing them. Second, political ‘Zionism’ is used to castigate Jews as a people and tar them all with the same ideological brush. Not all Jews are ‘Zionists’ nor do all Jews support a notion of ‘Zionism’. Moreover, use of cartoons to denigrate Jews as violent extremists that use attack fighter aircraft to bomb opposition punditry is racist & racism in the form of caricature that specifically targets Jews and their leadership as being terrorists that use military fighter weaponry to silence their political detractors like the Labour Party adherents depicted in the racist cartoon caricature.
Utilizing derogatory & demeaning depictions of Jewish leaders as pictograms of hate & aggression to tar & feather the people of Israel & the world on the international stage of print publishing is essentially organized hatred disseminated across platforms as a form of race baiting & hatred of an identifiable minority ethnic group.
The cartoon depictions are racist, and they imply systematic racism by politics & polemics of race oriented hate that is institutionally organized at the level of party politics in the United Kingdom, and elsewhere too.
CANADA has tested this kind of race baiting claptrap in terms of published race baiting & hate directed at an identifiable minority ethnic group. We have successfully charged & convicted publishers & editors of race baiting hate magazines that are distributed in CANADA. As we write here there is one editor doing a year of his ignorant racist life in federal prison for publishing & distributing hate directed at women & Jews.
The case we processed in quite similar to what Labour is doing in the United Kingdom with these banners of derisive caricature & implied racism.
The banner that was removed by the state is evidence that these types of depictions are viewed as racist by minority Jews living in & around England and the United Kingdom.
Use of caricature to depict Jews as violently extremist in terms of their lobby efforts to stop anti-Semitic behaviour and mass propaganda that paints all Jews unfairly as violent extremists is not acceptable in the eyes of the judiciary in the UK, or elsewhere such as CANADA where I live.
regards, MOU
You are accusing me of bashing Jews. That is outrageous. I politely and sincerely asked you to explain your position and gave you my reasoning around usage of the terms “Zionism” and “zionist”, and you accuse me of violent racism in response. I ask you to calm down and think before you respond.
I agree. But the cartoon in question does not do that. It depicts Benjamin Netanyahu – one leader, not several “leaders” – quite neutrally, without any ethnic particulars, piloting a warplane which has the words “The Lobby” on it. He is firing a bomb labelled “Defamation” at a cartoon depiction of Jeremy Corbyn while crying out “Antisemitism!” three times. How does this “tar & feather the people of Israel”? How does this “tar & feather” anyone? I see a critique of a particular politician’s and lobby’s decisions and political behaviours with regards a particular Labour Party leader. It’s very specific. Of course we can extrapolate all sorts of things from the cartoon’s specifics in all sorts of directions and at all sorts of scales, but very few of such extrapolations would be reasonable. For example, I could accuse the cartoonist as slurring people with acromegaly as infantile and bigoted, but that would be ridiculous.
In your opinion. Not in the opinion of a Rabbi, as referenced in the article above:
Is the cartoon depiction of Corbyn racist too? Are cartoon depictions of Anglo-Saxon hate and aggression racist, slurring all Anglo-Saxons across the planet? There are countless examples of such cartoons to be found. Indeed, it is a plain fact that there is hate and aggression in the world. All humans of all ethnicities and walks of life are capable of both. Cartoon depictions of human hate and aggression may well attempt to be racist and succeed, but no such depiction is racist merely on the grounds that it is a cartoon. Up until now, you have only asserted your opinion that this cartoon is racist as fact, but signally failed to give any justification as to why it is reasonable for you to do so. All I can discern from your comments thus far is that it is the cartoon’s ‘cartoonishness’ that explains your misplaced moral ire. As things stand, I feel entirely justified in heeding the opinion of the Rabbi over yours and am saddened that our discussion has so quickly become unpleasant.
Sanctimonious twaddle ain’t counterargument, BuckO.
UK Jurisprudence will enlighten you. Read a book, man.
MOU
Canada is even more Zionist infested and Zionist controlled than its neighbour to the south.
Shooting 9 year old kids in the head with British sniper rifles and dum dum bullets is “bad” as well.
But then to Talmudic Supremacists like you the Chosen Folk can do no wrong.
I’m a white Anglo Saxon Protestant, Anglican, BuckO.
If I was Jewish I would avoid people like you everywhere I went. Not only are your perceptions racist but your myopia & ignorance extends to discourse where you erroneously think pundits must be part of the conspiracy that you have cooked up in your atrophied brain.
MOU
Masters in Gobbledygook.
I couldn’t care less which religious superstitions and fairy stories you espouse, bucko. Many of the most ardent Talmudic Supremacists are good little Shabbos goys like yourself.
Not quite the Master you like to think you are eh? You are fighting a losing battle here, people are just too wise to what Israel truly is, and no amount of guilt tripping and fake accusations of antisemitism will stop people speaking out about a nation which shoots kids in the face, shoots cripples in the back and beats blind men while they lie in bed, while spraying raw sewage into innocent peoples’ houses and commiting acts like 9/11, plus many other false flag terrorist events. The Goy know.
Without Saying a Word, Israeli Troops Beat Up a Blind Man in His Bed
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-without-saying-a-word-israeli-troops-beat-up-a-blind-man-in-his-bed-1.6980517
The Disabled Palestinian Slowly Walked Away. Then, Israeli Troops Shot Him in the Back of the Head
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/.premium-idf-troops-shot-disabled-palestinian-in-the-back-of-the-head-as-he-walked-away-1.6743207
The Protest Dispersed. Then an Israeli Sniper Shot a 9-year-old Palestinian Boy in the Head
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-the-protest-dispersed-then-an-israeli-sniper-shot-a-9-year-old-boy-in-the-head-1.7542674
Snipers ordered to shoot children, Israeli general confirms
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/snipers-ordered-shoot-children-israeli-general-confirms
Israeli ministers defend soldiers filmed cheering as sniper shoots Palestinian in Gaza
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/10/israeli-ministers-defend-soldiers-filmed-cheering-sniper-shoots/
Israeli Occupation Forces Spray Palestinian homes with Raw Sewage… What a disgusting tactic.
More racist tripe is not exactly credible commentary, LessO.
MOU
Facts. You lose
“Est-il Permis de Criquer Israel?” – Pascal Boniface
Tu essais de peter plus haut que to cul.
What kind of lowlife must you be, MOU, to show zero acknowledgement of the crimes I just highlighted, mainly from Israeli news sources. I present clear evidence of disgusting levels of racism, all committed by the state of Israel, which you ignore and then call me a racist. You have no soul. You’re a pathetic, controlled, owned shill. yYou don’t have your own mind. Crawl back into your vile little hole and pray for those victims, what they have to endure at the hands of this evil.
I’m the kind that ignores your kind, LessO.
Now fuck off, race baiterBOY.
MOU
Gives an entirely new meaning to the retort “dirty Jew.” In this case, literally true.
Rub their noses in it to cure them of doing this.
Better not to be an apologist for Zionist terror, racism and criminality, in my humble opinion.
STOP PRESS!!
Hodge facing deselection…….
Can’t wait to see what comes next.
Are we are going to see them bring all their big guns out?
Well what can you expect when you have the likes of Galloway insisting there should be an international ban and prison sentence on anyone talking about the holocaust other than the excepted version, what happened to free speech?
Of course there was a holocaust, it was a political attempt to eradicate a race of people.
I despise Zionists and their pretend protectors but no comparable number of people has suffered a systematic attempt to wipe them out.
It was without precident in its violence and ideology.
Au contraire, approximately 40+- million Russians (of predominantly Christian faith) were murdered during the Bolshevik Revolution. by the very people you’re subliminally ‘championing’.
I’m not “subliminally championing” anyone. You, however, are speaking Nazi.
“Capitalism and Bolshevism are two sides to the same internationalist coin”
Adolph Hitler
Au contraire, approximately 40 million Russians were murdered during the Bolshevik Revolution by the very people who you’re subliminally ‘championing’.
Zionism isn’t a race
Unless, of course, criticizing Zionism is antisemitism…
Oh? Then I dare you to go to Israel and try to become a citizen, goy-boy.
Look at Ron Unz website regarding this topic. Ron is Jewish by the way..You been fooled.
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/
I apologise their was no need to say fooled, i was also ‘fooled’. Look at comments and also checkout Codoh.com forum.
You need to bear in mind what the bastard Anders Breivik said in his manifesto. “My enemies enemy is my friend, we’ll deal with the Jews later”.
There’s a very good video on YouTube by David Cole, himself a jew, called the holocaust, it explains quite a lot as to why there may be some doubt about it, even the International Red Cross has reduced the numbers of deaths from 6 million to I think it’s now 1.2 million actually altered the plaque outside Auschwitz
Thanks, I’ll watch it.
The figure of 1.2 million, simply refers to the numbers executed at Auschwitz, it doesn’t take into account the numbers slaughtered at 23 other main camps and the hundreds of other “sub camps”.
There was a camp called Majdanek, where one day in 1943, 18,200 prisoners were executed – just one day!
No it referred to the six million supposedly gassed at Auschwitz, even allowing for two to an oven would have taken sixteen years without shut downs for cleaning , repairing etc, the chimneys were added after the war, this by the person running it.
Wow. How much does one get paid to write stuff like this? Or do you do it for free? Hard to believe. Since you have never been to any concentration camp – because you would know better then – you are making things up. Just like that. Usually, people like you have an agenda and it is not their agenda, since they are just doing what others tell them to.
It is most obvious that you are just repeating wikifakea garbage. Only those who lost any form of critical thinking will fall for the disinformation and lies distributed by the fake-pedia that is nothing but a tool for The Lobby™. Or those who are paid to do so.
weather is not looking good over the next few days
18 200 eh? Name them …
Looks like they’re upping the ante on the holohoax fairy stories.
18,200 a day.
They settled for “10,000 a day” at Auscwitz, or 3,650,000 a year.
They must have got through the six gazillion in double quick time and been pretty bored with nothing much to do afterwards.
Still, this is all pretty small beer compared to the Talmud’s “4 billion” Jews exterminated by the Romans. Old Adolf was pretty pathetic by Talmudic standards.
So the moderates in British politics are correct about the far left being hard core anti-Jewish bastards.
All those manifesto’s. From Known Lone Wolves.
Like different shades of Una-Bomber.
” … I will seek redress through the courts.”
Hmmpf. Good luck with that.
You’re a good and a brave man Peter, but the idea that any British Court will choose to see the (establishment) use of the “anti-Semitism” curse for what it is ….?
We won’t be holding our breath.
We need to put aside for a moment whether the poster is anti-semitic or not, and freedom of expression.
In reality, the right wing political Zionist apparatchiks and the UK MSM have de facto placed Corbyn into a very tight corner, whether we like it or not, that’s the reality.
Therefore, during an election campaign, associating him with ANYTHING to do with anti-semitism is doing him ZERO favours and his opponents are being handed ammunition to shoot him down with.
With our supposed freedom of speech comes responsibility too, and Gregson and similar people should consider to cease their protests for a few weeks and allow Corbyn to cross the General Election finishing line.
Once Corbyn’s over the line, do what you want. It’s all about being responsible, tactical, mature / grown up.
Exactly Frank!
The first thing I thought when I saw the poster was that it was someone working for the lobby intending to create another diversion, and dig up the false allegations” again” against Jeremy… and give the Presstitutes ammunition to distract us, and knock Jeremy and the party off track from the business at hand. I actually think he has some tenacity and guts to dismiss them and get on with the task at hand.
As George said above, We all need a Spartacus moment… to get bumper stickers saying
”Anti-Semite” like Corbyn and proud of it.”
Dear Frank Speaker,
If you think the Zionists will stay quiet during the election, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
If we don’t point out that Israel is the cause of all this anti-Semitic nonsense then we are keeping our heads in the sans- and it will cost Labour votes.
Now, more than ever, we need to highlight bogus anti-Semitism.
If we don’t Jezza will never get the keys to number 10. And if he does, he still dare do nothing about Palestine, because the IHRA forbids pointing out Israel is racist.
Did that occur to you?
Pete
Israel is a sovereign state, and a corporation. Corporate states are modern day businesses that run their corporations according to secular law and the Charter Rights paradigm which is the basis of the Parliamentary system of democracy, Mr. Gregson. Israel is not a human being and therefore cannot be ‘racist’ as you erroneously claim out of pure unadulterated ignorance of the laws of the United Kingdom & the Western world.
You are an offensive racist troll, and the UK courts will charge you with hate speech and inciting hatred towards Jewish people in the United Kingdom. You will lose in court, and the Crown will make sure of it, Mr. Gregson.
People like you just hate everyone because people like you are misanthropes that never learned to live life productively and in a self-actualizing manner that elevates one to be able to teach others knowledge. You spew hate & racism because you are uneducated and frustrated about your own lack of ability to get along with others without feeling inferior because you are not living a life of value.
Haters gonna hate!
Now piss off, wanker.
MOU
You should keep taking your prescription medicine at the recommended interval. Maybe then you wouldn’t come up with such vile, oxymoronic nonsense.
Ad hominem ‘prescription medicine’ comment is indication you have nothing to say, and no education to say it with, wanker. Please learn to read, moron.
MOU
Israel is and always was a racist, terrorist regime, created and sustained by atrocities and war crimes on a massive scale.
Israel is a corporation. Terrorist regimes are led by leadership, or lack thereof. And Bibi is a terrorist, I agree. He launches attacks on Gaza & West Bank for votes so I can agree that Bibi is a terrible criminal individual that is committing crimes against humanity. He is a mass murderer committing crimes of state against historical enemies which is genocide in no uncertain terms.
Bibi is guilty for sure, but the people that are duped into voting for him are not Bibi.
If you want to lay formal charges against Israel & Bibi you had better do so through the UN war crimes tribunal.
Israel is not ‘racist’ but I would bet dollars to donuts that Bibi is.
MOU
Shake it off, MOU, just shake shake shake it off.
At least you get me, Mishko.
I get you too, eh.
MOU
Are you a hasbara troll aka MKshlomzion?
Also please provide credible examples of antisemitism in the Labour party.
I am not affiliated with any Jewish groups anywhere. I am not a Jew but if people keep accusing me of being a Jew I will decide to become a Jew and join them fighting the likes of you, DF.
MOU
You don’t have to Jewish to be a hasbara troll.
In fact, most Zionists are right wing Christians.
Also, where did I say you were Jewish?
No examples either I see.
I don’t follow David Icke for a moment, but friends of Israel have shut down three venues that I know of Leicester, Liverpool, and Manchester threatening the owners with bad publicity if they went ahead he will tell you all you need to know about this in one of his videos
Well, well! If none of this fake ‘anti-semitism’ stuff ends up sinking Corbyn at the next election, then Labour’s new open-borders platform definitely will:
Strange. Almost as though Labour wants to lose the next election … just like the Democrats in the US.
Absolute madness isn’t it Seamus, they are making themselves totally unelectable with crazy policies like these.
Apparently they are also going to extend the vote to 16-year olds as well. Anything to swell the Remainer vote.
What are you saying? That your opinion should count for more than theirs? There is a huge number attaining voting age since the referendum. It must just scare you silly. You know what they want. But you want to disenfranchise those plus the 16 year olds. Sounds like democracy to you?
Even Swinson wouldn’t dare propose this.
If you think about it on a cause/effect level, it is probably the only way to rid the country of all social security benefits forever. It’s the totally unelectable means of implementing dog-eat-dog libertarianism tied to perpetual economic growth with no safety net.
Yup. As someone (I think it may have been Milton Friedman) once said: ‘You can either have a welfare state or you can have open borders, but you can’t long have both.’
The motion incorporates several proposals, SOME of which I would support, i.e. decent treatment for refugees and migrants. Where it goes wrong is in handing the vote to non-citizens. If you’re resident in a country but you haven’t committed yourself to the extent of acquiring citizenship, you can’t expect to participate in the governing of that country. The notion of a re-run of the Brexit referendum is contentious enough, but to allow non-citizens to vote in it reeks of electoral manipulation, remainer-style.
Google “Sussex Friends of Israel”…….they’re a bunch of fanatical nut jobs.
Did just then. Wow…. I scrolled down as far as Sept 19th, couldn’t go any further Lundiel. They’re actually a cult. The language, the searing self righteousness, playing the victim, the delusional thinking; theyre a cult. One that supports Apartheid and the murderous oppression of the Palestinians. More unarmed protesters shot this week as well. The brutality just goes on and on.
I’m not offended by the cartoon and I don’t believe, personally, that it’s ‘anti-Semetic’; however I can see how it could easily be seen as ‘anti-Semetic’ by people with different… sensitivities or a different political agenda.
The use of the term ‘the lobby’ on the side of the fighter plane is ‘problematic’ because an awful lot of people regard that term, ‘the lobby’ by itself as anti-semetic, as it relates to a ‘hidden conspiracy’ by Jews to manipulate politics in their favour. The ‘lobby’ is perceived as an anti-semetic code word. Lots of people don’t believ it exists except in the minds of anti-semites.
Then there’s the part where the plane is attacking Corbyn from behind ‘stabbing him in the back.’ This powerful image can, once again, easily be presented as an anti-semetic smear and cliche, an old, old, lie that goes way back to the Nazi Party and their propaganda that the ‘Jews’ stabbed Germany in the back during WW1 and in the 1930’s.
It could also be seen as implying that ‘Jews’ are both ‘cowardly’ and ‘aggressive’ and ‘violent’, attacking a figure, Corbyn, who’s just making a speech and is totally unaware of the terrible danger behind him.
Now, I think the cartoonist has a right to have his views and present them in public, only this is a cartoon and they aren’t the most subtle platforms for political discourse. Cartoons are like slogans on a political banner, which are mostly crude and exaggerate political differences for mass effect. Characature is central to cartoons, but using these methods against Jewish people or Israel, is a minefield given the history of cartoon images about Jews and how they were used to demonise and attack them as a group.
“(a) lot of people regard that term, ‘the lobby’ by itself as anti-Semitic, as it relates to a ‘hidden conspiracy’ by Jews to manipulate politics in their favour.”
Except that overwhelming audio-visual evidence proves that just such a lobby exists.
Is the truth now anti-Semitic?
‘The Israeli Govt and some pro-Israel Jews (in combination with some non Jews), marginalising and /or smearing pro-Palestinian Jews as antisemites or psychologically ill, and the rest as simply antisemitic supporters of’ terror’.’
The Israel Lobby is a shorthand for the above…
Oy vey, goy! The truth is anti semitic!! Shut it down!!!
That is the whole point of it
” ‘the lobby’ by itself as anti-semetic, as it relates to a ‘hidden conspiracy’ by Jews to manipulate politics in their favour.”
It isn’t a hidden conspiracy, it is very open and obvious as revealed by the Al Jazeera expose.
It is very open meddling in British politics by a foreign state.
The expose has only been watched by people with an interest in Palestinian rights. Most of UK have probably never heard of it and would even be reluctant to watch it. Out of sight is out of mind.
” … however I can see how it could easily be seen as ‘anti-Semetic’ by people with different… sensitivities or a different political agenda.” But of course. Poor souls. Ever the victims.
Possibly do you think that the Palestinians might also have had political sensitivities and a different political agenda that should have counted? Let me see now.
Operation Cast Lead. Israel invades and occupies Gaza.
Palestinian casualties 1400 dead, 350 children dead, four-fifths of fatalities were civilian.
Israeli casualties, ten combatants, dead (four by friendly fire) and three civilians.
The IDF does even better next time it came to mowing the lawn
Operation Protective Edge. Same MO
Israeli casualties 73 (1 child)
Palestinian casualties 2200 (550 children)
Yes, I really so think these Palestinians are being somewhat hypersensitive (sarcasm).
According to Guardian speak these were ‘clashes’ In fact they were massacres.
Well, that all might be true, but really Palestine and Israel are irrelevant to the coming election, unfortunately. Labour has to stick to solid domestic issues and not get sucked into a ‘pointless’ debate about foreign policy. An election campaign isn’t the best place to ‘educate’ the public about Palestine/Israel, which is an extremely complicated and emotive subject.
I often wonder where are the UK’s Muslim population in all this? Considering how many they are, their lack ‘interest’ in Palestine seems a bit odd to me.
There is nothing “complicated” about the Palestine/Israel situation. That word is used to shut down discussion on the situation.
Right, this is why lots of ‘conspiracy theorists’ are a pain in the ass, so that instead of pointing to groups in the labyrinth of political organizations who pressurize politicians, grand, obscure and all too speculative narratives come to the foreground.
Pictures of Labour MPs yelling abusive and violent comments. Posted by Muslim Dude in today’s Syrian Perspective.
Syrians must be thinking, “So unlike the behaviour of our own dear Dr.Assad.”
Still asking; has anyone seen a British Labour delegate at the recent Trade Union conference in Socialist Syria?
“O, O, that Parliamentary rag!
It’s so elegant, so intelligent.” — TS Eliot
Correction:
“O, O, that Parliamentary rag!
It’s so elegant, so intelligent.” — Apologies to TS Eliot
Apologies. Thanks, Rob.
Those are screen grabs of labour mps are taken from the debate this week when Johnson returned from the us on Wednesday. They look angry because they are complaining about death threats they have received spurred on by Johnson and the Tory language and are shouting at Johnson himself. They have nothing to do with antisemitism, Syria or anything else. Your post is the crudest type of crappy propaganda imaginable.
I find the hypocrisy of people like Phillips sickening in the extreme. I put as much feasible reality in the “death threats” posted online as I do to all online threats….it isn’t real, it’s just some very angry person who feels very insecure. There aren’t loads of potential Thomas Mairs out there, MPs know this and are given protection if needed. There are, however, lots of immature, angry people hoping to provoke a reaction and a good few MPs who like nothing better than the chance to cry wolf.
Phillips & Co are very apt at using these threats as political theatre, remember how they formed a bodyguard for poor wilting violet Luciana Berger? The accusations levelled at Johnson, who I dislike, for his parliamentary language just illustrates how authoritarian these right-wing Labour MPs are.
@WTF. Death threats to Labour MPs, rage, foul language. Dear me, what 3rd world country are these reports from?
I think we all knew what they were and where the pictures came from: The woke-left Labour Party showing itself up for what it really is.
Did John Mc Donnell say ‘ lynch the bitch’ about Esther McV ..or anyone else?? I’ve tried searching to find evidence of that but I can’t.
I don’t particularly like GF, but there is some interesting stuff here:
https://order-order.com/2019/09/26/left-needs-dial-abusive-language/
Wot charming people.
Vote for Jezza and that’s who you’re actually getting.
And some otherwise intelligent people still place their hopes in Labour.
The sooner it collapses at the next election the better.
“The next day, Rabbi Ahron Cohen of the Neturei Karta spoke to me and gave his view that he could not fathom any way that the banner was anti-Semitic.”
Unfortunately, the same rabid individuals and organizations who have perverted the Labour party with their vile promotion of the theologically incipient, extraordinarily vicious racism inherent in the still-persistent primitive tribal fantasy of their totem god’s “Covenant with Israel”, coupled psychologically with the effects of the equally vicious, often sub-conciously reciprocal persecution of Jews by many Christians and some Muslims over many centuries, have convinced an apparent majority of otherwise uncommitted European and American Jews that Neturei Karta is as “anti-semitic” as you and Corbyn.
And Corbyn has not helped by allowing himself to be boxed in by his life-long political ambitions for the Labour Party as a primary vehicle for “delivering” socialism and his personal inclination to see views as just views, all equally deserving of negotiable tolerance, in an environment where views are often seen as being (and often are) more bankable than oil, gold or frankincense.
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Proud to be anti-FAsCemitic
“The next day, Rabbi Ahron Cohen of the Neturei Karta spoke to me and gave his view that he could not fathom any way that the banner was anti-Semitic.”
A timely reminder that not all pious Jews are bigots, that not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Zionazis.
And not all Zionists are Jews
And not all Islamists are Muslims.
I think you’re right. After all, the Conservative/LibDem coalition assisted by many Labour MPs put Islamists in power in Libya and attempted to do the same in Syria. The west supports and arms Islamists from the KSA to ISIS. As long as they’re Sunni and it coincides with global foreign policy it’s OK.
“…not all Zionists are Jews”
Though God alone knows what they are legitimately doing in the mix.
Everyone knows. In a time-honoured political tradition they are putting up their wetted finger to find the direction of the prevailing wind.
First time you’ve made me laugh.
Yours truly included. Thanks, Admin, for the reminder; thus completing the sequence.
“…not all Zionists are Zionazis.”
Unfortunately, most Zionists (in and out of Israel) who have not, at that time or since, rejected the totally illegitimate UN/US/UK “two state solution” for Israel in favour of the self-interested, imperially-imposed “one state Zionist refuge” of the Balfour declaration, even then foisted on the Arab population of the Palestine Mandate, many of whom–along with many of the tiny Arab Christian minority who also never left–were descended from the original Canaanites that the nations of Israel and Judah wandered back from Egypt and reportedly tried, repeatedly, to smote (though some recent archaeology now suggests that that return was mostly peaceful), are largely, indeed, what you call “Zionazis”.
A widely held belief amongst modern Israelis who have not so rejected the “two-state” and other Jewish nationalist “solutions” is that “it is time” for the displaced Palestians of the Mandate to “move on”, just as they had “moved on” to the current national apartheid state of Israel from Poland, Germany and (primarily) Russia, or wherever, and that is whether they are committed Likudniks and suchlike or not.
Modern Israel (and much of modern Judaism) is riven with the lies necessary to turn the totality of a body of outdated, proscriptive tribal law, lore and fabricated family trees (a.k.a. most of the Torah) into the illusion of a “religion” and nothing will be resolved there until that farrago of mendacious bullshit is replaced by a solid understanding of its exclusionist reality.
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Proud to be anti-FAsCemitic
Plenty of anti-Zionism, barely any anti-Wahhabism. Not to mention the Ayatollah regime’s nefarious activities.
Anyway, all of the above are just distractions from Brexit – yes / no/ x, which should be topic no.1 in the UK at present.
“…yes / no/ x, which should be topic no.1 in the UK at present.”
No ‘x’. If it’s not a precise rerun of the original referendum, ‘x’ is the wormhole through which yet more of the Miller & Friends MeMe will force itself into the process yet again. If you want an ‘x’, abstain and reduce the mandate instead.
Better yet, stop trying to have a second multi-year dump on the electorate, which never considered a very shonkyable “deal”, already well since shonked by a clandestine European “defence” stitch-up, and do the Brexit they voted for–including any concessions the bullying bureaurats of the EU can use to save face (just watch them scramble)–on or by the already overextended now-deadline of October 31.
Seriously, STOP MOANING and write a legible, logically succinct article about your favourite hobby horse.
Well, considering that Brexit is going to last the rest of our lives, you have effectively banished all other topics forever.
You should have known that the modern definition of an anti-Semite is a person who disagrees with Zionists. Such people are typical defenders of the indefensible, they have an almost Messianic devotion to their cause which excuses abuse, accusation and attacks because they, after all, are the victims.
Martin, the AZC definition of anti-Semite is someone who disagrees with Zionazis. The Zionazis are giving Israel the same bad reputation that the Nazis gave Germany.
Congratulations to Mr Gregson for producing the banner and defending it. Latuff is one of the sharpest contemporary cartoonists, and this piece of art is one of his best.
As to the ‘tweet” attributed to Corbyn I doubt that he did anything more than shoulder responsibility for it, afterwards. It is very likely that “his” tweets are sent out by some third rate, semi Blairite disciple of Lord McNichol of infamous memory; there are plenty of them in the Party bureaucracy. Of course he could be an acolyte of Lansman-who is a prime candidate for elevation to the lords (and far from the NEC) himself.
@Bevin,
Why, in your opinion can’t/ doesn’t Corbyn get a grip on his own Twitter account ?
I had the same thought as you as regards the authorship of this particular tweet, but then pomdered, ‘well that is almost as bad as writing it, if not worse, i.e. to have someone else broadcasting your opinion -that you don’t actually agree with, to 2million followers and the internet as a whole ?’ What kind of a politician would allow that ?
Perhaps a politician who is under death threats.
Does that mean that JC’s Twitter support of the charity regime change Jo Cox Foundation is written by someone else? That seems very convenient: because he declares it in public as well.
Or his support for the fascist racist green neoliberal Green New Deal? Ditto: he declared a ‘Climate Emergency’ to back that particular corporate climate capitalist agenda.
Did he not pen the ‘anti-semitism’ authoritarian diktat – the one that made the mere mention of Soros and his dark money $32bns of ‘influence’ and ‘theories of change’ – specifically ‘antisemitic’?
Or the #FreeIdlib replys to which he presumably agrees?
Whoever is writing and managing his Twitter feed needs to clean up their act. They are at risk of damaging a mans saintly image.
It is a reminder that the position of “leader” is anomalous. In a sense it always has been but in modern conditions the leader-Corbyn in this case- is just a figurehead for a collective, committee which deals with the myriad functions that fall under “the leader’s” responsibility.
What makes Corbyn’s case peculiar is that he is isolated from his base of supporters by several intermediate levels of functionaries and politicians (Municipal, Parliamentary, Trade union etc) the best of whom are unable to understand what is happening, the worst of whom are Fifth Columnists and all of whom are hypnotised by the media, whose judgements they cannot help themselves from regarding as authoritative.
What Corbyn needs is a strong group of competent people sharing his views and policies, around him handling things like Twitter, what’s going on in the Party apparatus (who got expelled today??) and monitoring political developments. Unfortunately, but not accidentally, the Party apparatus is designed to resist popular opinion in the party. The need to democratise it is paramount. Or would be were the people not being plundered and assaulted by Tories fighting the class war that nine out of ten members of the PLP deny exists.
This is why, in the circumstances, Corbyn deserves not just the sympathy but the active support of honest people, many of whom, unhappily, are inclined to personalise matters and cry traitor at the slightest opportunity.
And this is, partly, because there is a fear of being the last one to realise that a sell out has taken place.l In this case there has been no sell out but Corbyn’s position, which deserves the support of, for example all Palestine supporters and all opponents of imperialism, is increasingly isolated. The very forces that should be rushing to his defence and, in effect, replacing the influence of the traitors in the bureaucracy by taking over the political war themselves, at a grassroots level (where all democratic struggles really take place), are standing back, afraid to compromise themselves.
This is war and war involves not only blood but solidarity. Half a century of “There is no such thing as society” has made solidarity a rare thing. But without it, without the loyalty that goes with understanding the difference between rampant capitalism and the necessity for socialism, there is no hope.
Just another notch in the cynic’s belt: one more proof that evil must prevail, that inequality is inevitable and that “the working class are their own worst enemy”.
My guess is that nine out of ten posters here will vote for Corbyn. And less than three out of ten will defend him in their posts.
Thanks for the reply Bevin.
I’ve written this before : it seemed clear at the start that the Corbyn project would only be as successful as the mobilisation of a genuinely democratic grassroots organisation within Labour. The machine was (and remains) quite capable of eating up the drive for democratic socialism ignited by Corbyn’s leadership.
Why then isn’t more focus placed upon Jon Lansman? Why was he chosen as campaign manager for Corbyn? Why did he destroy democracy within Momentum? Why was he elected onto the NEC, thereby cementing his position as premier power broker spanning the interests of the membership and the Labour machine? Why did he intervene strongly to suppress open selection and therby halt the party democratisation process? Why has he boosted the anti-semitism witch hunt against the party membership, it’s most inspiring and popular MPs and activists and even Corbyn himself ?
Is it wholly irrational to even question whether he is a member of the ‘sayanim’ ?
[I don’t expect a reply, I’m done with this ridiculous pantomime. People just need to be honest and do some reading]
The most disappointing aspect of the Corbyn thing is the lack of respect shown to the membership. That half million ought to be a million by now. The energy spent trying to convince unprincipled office seekers (and the wannabe fans of officers) would have been far better spent building the CLPS and Unions by increasing the membership and increasing the responsibilities of the members. There should be a Political Education system, within the party, from Kindergarten to Graduate School level. What are now full time offices should be elected. Most of what are elected positions should be rotated. The party should take advantage of government cutbacks-for example in legal aid- to create voluntary assistance at Ward level.
etc. etc. Leaving the membership with nothing serious to do except canvass and vote is a good way of losing members.
I thought that Peter Gregson had been expelled from the Labour party? ( The article sugggests not). Not that being expelled suggests that a person has necessarily done anything wrong in these Orwellian days .
I am only suspended. I read about my suspension, the week before I got the letter from the Labour Party… in the Jewish News!
A little detail not mentioned in your write up ATL.
Par for the fake reporting course.
What I find absolutely amazing here is that Corbyn’s erstwhile support for the IRA is nowhere near as controversial as his support for the Palestinians! Kind of shows who really runs contemporary Britain, eh?
The wind is blowing this way:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-israeli-planes-take-part-in-british-aerial-exercise-cobra-warrior/
If Corbyn became PM the wind would blow the other way.
The other tale of the week is the BBC and it’s question of : Are Trump or Johnson racists?’
Naga Munchetty ( a BBC presenter ) gave her own opinion as how it felt to be a victim of the ” alleged “racism and fair play to her.
The BBC ( call it the Kwarteng missive ) appeared to argue that – Many people think this is true but not me/us ( read the BBC ) routine.
Ask yourself this question:
If Naga Munchetty was Jewish would the BBC look at the matter in a different way?
In the current climate – I’m sure they would.
The GE campaigns will be so dirty that we will all come out of it unclean.
Alleged anti semitism will be just one ploy from the Bannon/Cummings playbook.
Somehow I don’t think antisemitism from Bannon and Cummings, a pair of open racists, will fly.
Bannon is a very vocal supporter of the Zionist settler state, so yes, a racist
Methinks that this may have been a set up to get Jezza into trouble? He rightly completely disassociated himself with it and called the police.
If you are genuine, then you are totally naive, or stupid to stick up this poster. Your not doing him ANY favours. The country needs him, don’t hand his opponents ammunition to shoot him.
Rightly? The man has capitulated to the Zionists. It’s a disgrace.
You need to watch the documentary The Lobby. If you do, you’ll understand that as soon as the election is called, Labour will be fried in the press with the same old anti-Semitism nonsense. I took the banner to help get rid if the IHRA Definition.
As long as we have that, we who call out apartheid in Israel are decried as Jew-haters. You happy with that, Mr Frank Speaker?
“You happy with that, Mr Frank Speaker?”
Mr Speaker, who some time ago changed his name by misdeed poll, is usually happy with anything resembling a proposition presented in the form of an arse.
I’m not arguing the point about whether the poster is anti-semitic or not in reality, the point is that the right wing political Zionist apparatchiks have de facto placed Corbyn into a corner, whether we like it or not, that’s the reality.
Therefore, during an election campaign, you associating him with ANYTHING to do with anti-semitism is doing him ZERO favours and you are giving THEN ammunition to shoot him.
With freedom of speech comes responsibility too, and you should consider to STFU for a few weeks to allow Corbyn to cross the line. Once he’s over it, do what you want. It’s about being responsible, tactical, mature and grown up.
Frankly Frank,
He’ll never get over the line if we keep our head in the sand.
Didn’t you see what Gnasher Jew said above?
Pete
“If you are genuine, then you are totally naive, or stupid to stick up this poster. Your not doing him ANY favours. The country needs him, don’t hand his opponents ammunition to shoot him.”
Good advice, IFF (if and only if)
(1) Labour becomes the government AND he becomes Prime Minister
OR
(2) Labour does not become the government AND he remains Party Leader
AND
(3) he uses (a) the consequent increase in his authority OR (b) the respite from possibly imminent or actual hustings to rid the party permanenently of its IHRA travesty of “anti-semetism”
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Proud to be anti-FAsCemitic
Ah well you see, the unforgivable crime your banner commited was its critical use of the label “AntiSemite” i.e. you dared to suggest (as in reveal) that this term was being used as a smear tactic. You can’t expect to call them out on their bullshit and get away with that.
Jeremy Corbyn’s qualities, and he does have some, aren’t those of a typical politician. He doesn’t have charisma to burn. He isn’t a great public speaker. He doesn’t have an attractive voice. He’s cross-eyed. He’s too old for the job. He has a tendency to screech when he raises his voice. He’s a scruffy bugger who looks out of place in a suit. The list goes on and on. It’s all mostly irrelevant… politically, but not in our media driven political theatre, there he looks out of place.
In parliament, compared to Boris Johnson, who is every inch the upper-class toff, born to rule and he knows it, and he’s a charlatan a demagogue… Corbyn sounds like a normal human being, a calm, reflective, moderate, elder statesman, honest.
Corbyn’s job is not to even attempt to challenge the media about something as controversial and explosive as ‘anti-Semitism’. The media will bite him, chew him and spit him out in pieces.
Corbyn’s job is to… survive until the next election and perhaps even win it, if enough people get behind him and care about democracy and change, or they might prefer the nationalist fairytales of Boris Johnson. Corbyn isn’t cut out for the role of ‘hero’ or ‘shining knight’ who’ll slay the ghastly media dragon, that’s really up to the people, not one man, surrounded by enemies. Corbyn is… an opportunity, an opportunity to vote for someone different for a change and usually there is no real choice. This time there is, Jeremy Corbyn, with all his faults, or Boris Jonhson who is nothing but faults and very dangerous ones too.
Happened to watch this today:
Anthony Howard on Clement Attlee.
On the other hand …
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/08/23/modest/
I think that the response of Corbyn was really shocking. It’s not a racist poster. I don’t understand why people complain just about a lack of free speech on Palestinians ‘ rights. I think that the adoption of the IHRA definition/ ‘ non examples’ by all the three main political parties has been damaging for free speech full stop. I think it also encourages people to see gentiles as second class citizens. Why the special status for racial discrimination/ unlawful religious against Jews/ Jewish groups? Kit Knightly also made a very important point in an ‘ Off Guardian’ article in the past – it is wrong to ban holocaust denial. ( It is wrong to deny the holocaust if you are trying to be racist though ( e.g. someone who hates Jews , could deny it just to make provocative statements to a Jewish person . However I believe that UK laws on hate speech already covered that scenario). I believe that the holocaust did happen. I don’t like the way people are saying that if you are against the outlawing of holocaust denial , it means you deny the holocaust. I find that absurd and dangerous. The arguments that the European Court of Justice gave for refusing to ban denial of the Armenian genocide by the Turks are interesting. ( I don’t think that they hold up however and I think the court was wrong when they justified their decision for the difference on the fact that an international tribunal had ruled on the holocaust. The USSR was on that international tribunal and allegations of crimes against humanity on a huge scale against the USSR have never been investigated, I believe. People may be sceptical about the decisions of tribunals for many reasons). On a a different matter, I think Jackie Walker of Labour against the witchhunt has raised some very important questions about holocaust education- should we commemorate it as something which was unique in its evil nature or should we look at it in a wider context of racism/ genocides ( in which the huge scale of it is emphasized/acknwledged ) ? Dawn Butler raised the question of compensation by big business for victims of slavery at the Labour party conference. I think that that ties in with this subject of racism/institutional racism/ victims of racism/ extreme racism ( ranging from enslavement to murder and genocide)
What a joke! Mind your language everyone, you might upset someone. Even Johnson is getting stick now for saying the word “surrender”.
Looking at all the minorities who inhabit this country, I’d say the Jews have always done OK, when they have been under threat plenty of people have come to their aid. The one minority that IMO has reason to be pissed about their treatment are the Pakistanis. I remember how we hated them in the 70s with P*** bashing commonplace. They were bullied rotten at my school not least because they were never cool like Black people, also because they never integrated. These days you get people saying “how come ISIS never bombed Birmingham” and the hate goes on. But it’s certainly not directed at Jews.
I think that there was quite a lot of discrimination against Irish people in the UK esp in the 70s and 80s when the IRA were pretty active
From well before that: I saw a sign in a boarding house window in London in 1956 saying “No blacks, no Irish”.
“…I saw a sign in a boarding house window in London in 1956 saying “No blacks, no Irish”.
You seem not to have been looking for London accomodation in 1956. Practically every tobacconist’s advertising board, especially around Camden Town and Notting Hill, sported two or three postcards specifying one or both.
Richael, I remember Landladies signs “No Irish” in the 50s and 60s.
That and Thick Mick jokes.
Of course, the best tellers of Irish jokes were always the Irish. Ditto Jewish people and Jewish jokes.
@Mike Ellwood: “best tellers of Irish jokes were Irish. Ditto Jewish people and Jewish jokes.”
Yes if by Irish jokes you mean Funnagain’s Wake. But not the Irish jokes I heard in England.
Yes if by Jewish jokes you mean Sholem Aleichem. But not the Jewish jokes I heard from Gentiles before the War.
Now that’s an interesting comment! Both of my parents are Irish but I only lived in Ireland for one year of my life. When we went to Ireland and told our Irish relies our ‘Irish jokes’ , they did n’t like ’em …but they have similar jokes which they did where the people being made fun of were ether Englishmen or Kerry men. ‘E.g. what do you call a Kerryman on a bicycle? ‘ Answer ‘ A dope peddlar’. In these days where everyone takes offence at everything, I would just like to explain that I have repeated this joke to demonstrate the kind of jokes my Irish relatives told me in the 70s/80s
Sorry but that was an idiotic thing to put up.
You knew it would get spun and what did it achieve?
Hope you enjoyed your 5 minutes of fame.
It’s funny, I really didn’t expect it to get much attention. It was up for an hour and it was ignored. I’ve had it at loads of event over the past year. I thought the police might stop me because they’d be paranoid about offending Zionists. But the police were fine about it.
The problem for the Zionists is that now the cat is out of the bag. We need a serious debate in the media about the weaponisation of anti-Semitism and now we’ll get one . Because in 12 months time this will be in court- and thence the press. We need a judge to rule there is nothing anti-Semitic about it.. and they will. At that point maybe Israel will realise they’ve been rumbled, big time
Have you any explanation as to why huge numbers of Labour MPs signed petitions seeking the explusion of Ken Livingstone and Chris Williamson ( Ken Livingstone was accused of ‘ holocaust revisionism ‘ and CW of ‘ antsemitism’? I find it very difficult to belive that they could all sincerely believe those accusations.
I asked one MP about why he voted to support the IHRA definition. (He’s not Jewish; he lives in Edinburgh, I doubt he’s hardly met a Jewish person, and I doubt he has ever, first-hand, seen anti-Semitism.)
His reply? ““Every other institution in the UK from the police and schools to universities and courts use the IHRA definition. For the Labour Party not to, sets us apart from the entire country and the stories that have come out since, show that the leadership has some anti-Semitism on them. That’s not right for a party and persons that want to lead the country.”
Wow! That just shows why supporters of this legislation keep describing it as ‘ internationally recognised’. ( Remember when it was described as ‘non- binding’- we don’t hear that now). MPs can be ……stupid sheep?
I think you are being incredibly optimistic about the chances of getting a ‘serious debate’ in the media about the weaponisation of anti-semitism. Actually I imagine they’ll be nothing close to it becaus our media isn’t about serious analysis of important issues, but about ‘entertainment’ of various kinds.
What the media loves is the theatre of the courtroom. What could be simpler? A guranteed winner, or loser, at the end of the game. That leads to serious debate..
Pay attention. The media doesn’t do serious debate.
There is certainly no chance of a serious debate in the media under any circumstances since they are 100% aligned with Israel’s right wing and are a straight forward propaganda operation. I wouldn’t believe any of them if they told me it was snowing at the North Pole. Debate must happen elsewhere.
It’s funny, but I didn’t expects it to get much attention. It was up for an hour before anyone noticed. I thought there was a distant chance the cops would ask me to take it down in anticipation of some Zionist losing the rag, but they checked it out and it was fine. It was only when the mob staged a rumpus than the police changed their mind. I’ve had the banner up at loads of events over the past year and no-one has objected.
But in a sick way, those Zionists have done us a favout: they’ve made their opposition to freedom of speech a big issue. I plan to milk this for all I can; I intend taking the matter to court.
Firstly, because it wasn’t me that was causing fear and harassment.. it was the JLM. They are the hooligans and public disorder problem, not me.
Secondly, the police must defend my freedom of speech, not take it away. By taking it away, they broke the law. I want a judge to rule that the banner was not anti-Semitic- and I think they will. We need lots of court cases like this to expose that we have lost our freedom of speech on Israel
The “Sionistes” in France use a similar technique. The physically attack a march for Palestine so that the police forbid future marches on the grounds of public order.
‘what did it achieve?’ – the kind of feeble institutional response that once again illustrates Labour’s terminal inability to weed out the sort of MPs that would be quite at home in the liberal or tory party (as some of them now are, of course).
If Labour supporters are still not woke by austerity, never ending war or bogus campaigns orchestrated to maintain the rotten status quo (such as the transparent anti-semitism trope) then they are just as contemptible as the rest of them.
Put another way – the price of acceptance by the establishment is not one that any left of centre leader should be willing to pay anymore.
Labour is dead to the working class. Another Liberal party fighting internal battles over identity politics and support for America and Israel…..Traitors.
Nonsense SWP crap right there. Labours policies will improve conditions for the working class immesurably.
Labour’s policies will never materialise, Labour MPs, outside bodies with, at best, tenuous links to Labour and organisations including Momentum (who are a lot closer to the SWP and Trots than me), have already ensured it.
People like me don’t give a shit about anti-Semitism, we want an end to austerity and a change of economics. As far as I’m concerned Labour is stopping this happening because of an internal power struggle.
Sure. Just as soon as they get done immeasurably improving conditions for the Zionists … oh wait: they’ll never be done with that!
The rot set in a long time ago – Harold Wilson’s record on Indonesia nd Biafra was shameful.
Blair of course mudererd his way across Europe and the Middle East while most MPs in the Labour party backed him to the hilt – they still failed to do anything despite prima facie evidence that their leader had orchestrated an illegal invasion based on lies ultimately resulting in a catastrophic body count and long term regional instability.
Robin Cook despite his Iraq speech was an unprincipled phoney (look at the blind eye he turned to what happened in the former Yugoslavia) while George Robinson was part of the UN sham that enabled the US pile on in Iraq.
Why the utter indifference to these crimes yet moral outrage over a poster – can anyone explain to me what kind of moral compass these people are following?
@Aristotle Ethics: “moral outrage over a poster – can anyone explain to me what kind of moral compass these people are following?”
I think they are following Parkinson’s Third Law of Committees: The smaller the item the stronger the views.
Dick Cheney’s moral compass Mk II
We live in totally mad times.
I don’t wish to be a Cassandra, but we are on the cusp of yet another total economic collapse. We are on the cusp of another World War (actually, it’s already started). And we are no longer on the cusp of totalitarian governance, it’s already started.
Don’t you just love cliches…
Billy Bragg jumped on the falsely accuse Chris Williamson of anti semitism bandwagon. Ironic being that he’d been falsely accused himself. Then again Chris Williamson after his initial defense, fell over and accused Gilad Atzmon. Weird how many of the pointy fingered brigade don’t cotton on to the con, having first hand knowledge of the bullshit.
Whatever happened to Spitting image where feeble and devious politicos such as Corbyn were ridiculed weekly on TV ? Bring it back ! The ratings would be massive. Westminster now is a gift for cutting edge satire. Silly me, I forgot, our UK broadcasters are controlled by elite scum.
My feeling is that reality now matches the satire to such an extent that it is no longer possible to find entertainment value in the satire.
Tom Lehrer famously said that Kissinger getting the peace prize made satire obsolete.
(But apparently, the idea that he gave up satire as a result is not true, according to Wikipedia).
Anything to oblige: 😉
https://inews.co.uk/culture/spitting-image-roger-law-vladimir-putin-donald-trump-satire-638077
Thanks for the link Mike. It’s great to see that some people have the balls to fire back at the political criminals who surround us. Maybe some brave souls in the UK will do the same although won’t be holding my breath.
I think Jeremy Corbyn’s number one priority is winning the next election, full stop. Anything, anything, that is perceived by the leadership to undermine this goal is seen as an unnecessary distraction and is jumped on smartly. Corbyn cannot allow himself to be dragged into a trap where he spends days on end on an arcane and fruitless debate about ‘anti-semitism’ in the Labour Party and people then link him and Labour and anti-semitism and the more he defends himself against the allegation, the smear, the more he becomes wrapped inside it, like a fly in a spider’s web. So it’s better to quickly step around the trap and get on with real politics and winning the next election.
In the current dreadful political climate, where the Zionist lobby and the media are looking for any excusr to label Corbyn an anti-semite, hanging a poster like this one, seems incredibly conceited, naive and reckless, handing Corbyn’s enemies inside and outside the Labour Party with a stick to beat him with on a silver platter. The media is massively hostile to Corbyn and won’t give him or anyone else fair treatment or time and space to defend themselves against the allegation of anti-semitism, so why bother pretending otherwise and opening oneself to such attacks. In a skermish one cannot possibl win at the present time?
The poster/cartoon is absolutely right and raises important issues, but so what? At a time like this it seems like an ‘indulgence.’ Principles like freedom of speech are precious and need defending, but what about doing a little thinking about things first? What’s wrong witht he left being tactically smart and looking at the bigger strategic goal of winning the coming election?
Boris Johnson is acting like a dictator, and he doesn’t even have majority in parliament. Imgine what he be like if he wins the coming election and has a majority behind him? Jeremy Corbyn is all that’s standing in the way of a regime led by Boris Johnson coming to power. Johnson ‘unbound’ is going to be awful to behold.
Michael K- haven’t you noticed that as soon as an election is called, all the anti-Semitic accusations pour forth against MPs that decry Israel?
That will happen for sure when the election is announced. The problem is, Labour needs to be clear to the media that Israel is using this to undermine Labour. And Labour activists need to start standing up to the slurs.
That’s why take the banner to conference was necessary.
Because if we lose the election because of anti-Semitic slurs, it won’t be because of this banner, you can be sure of that. It’ll be because we let the media garbage stick
For what it’s worth, I really don’t disagree with you, very much.
I think Labour should completely ignore the anti-Semetic accusations during the election campaign and not get drawn into ‘pointless’ and potentially damaging ‘debate’ with Zionists who want to take up space, time and energy that could be elsewhere. Keep you powder dry for what’s really important and a positive set of policies aimed at what matters to the voting public. ‘Anti-Semitism’ isn’t high on their list. The Zionists are like Trolls seeking attention, to disrupt, to divert. Don’t feed the Zionist Trolls!
The last thing Labout needs to do is indulge in making it clear to the media that Israel is using… no, stop right there! Just making that argument, by itself, sounds like there’s a conspiracy involving Jewish people, Zionists, the media and the rightwing of the Labour Party to undermine Jeremy Corbyn and his version of Labout. There is, too. But explaining that narrative to the media/journalists, who are part of the ‘conspiracy’ itself, is futile and the more one tries to ‘educate’ the media, who don’t care anyway, the worse it gets and the easier it is to smear people as anti-semites who believe in a wild conspiracy theory involving Jews to subvert British democracy.
I don’t think Labour will lose the next election because of anti-Semitic smears, unless one feeds them and gives them oxygen. Don’t do it. Labour may lose because way too many working class Labour voters may support Boris Johnson because they’ve been duped into thinking that Brexit is going to have a positive influence on their lives. Rather than the truth, that Brexit is about the rise of English nationalism and the result may put Boris Johnson back in Downing Street with a nationalist majority and a mandate to ‘hand over’ the UK to the United States.
There’s more to this, of course. What I want as much as an end to Tory abuses of working people’s rights and benefits is an ethical foreign policy. That means sanctions on Israel. As things presently stand, with the IHRA Definition, if Corbyn was to criticise Israel, he’d be expelled from his own Party.!!
His freedom of speech matters as much as ours. And what good is power if it can’t be used as a force for a better world?
We need sanctions on Israel. Motions calling for such at Conference get wiped out by the Zionists. That must end. If we really want peace in the Middle East, we need to sort out the racist colony that WE created. A single state solution, no racist laws and compensation and a right to return for every Palestinian.
That would do the trick.
If South Africa can do it, Israel/Palestine can. And no more “Jewish State”. Just a state for all who live between the river and the sea.
Nothing else will work.
” Labour needs to be clear to the media that Israel is using this to undermine Labour.”
As if they didn’t already know that.
Right you horrible lot. There will be no critique of Israel, the IDF, no the annexations, no mention of preparations of Cast Lead or Protective Edge, involving as they did military operations were the IDF murdered at least 3000 Palestinian civilians, no mention of the apartheid laws which whereby designated housing is built on Palestinian land to be occupied by Jewish settlers only … Got that?!
Anyone who draws attention to these FACTS is a raving anti-semite, as the right hon gentleman and MP for Islington North (naturally in Islington yuppie remainer land) has dutifully pointed out. Got that?!
I believe it is called Omerta.
There is no policy, short of adopting Tory policy, that will get Labour a fair hearing in the press because the press isn’t about fair hearings. Anything that Labour can do will have to be done in the teath of a hostile press so there is nothing to be gained by appeasement. The power of the media is over estimated anyway, the mere persistance of Corbyn as Labour leader shows they are a paper tiger.
Hopefully the electorate will use the ballot box to deselect the traitors in the PLP.
… using voting machines installed by Jeb Bush, presumably.
The ballot box is surely no longer what it once was.
I certainly don’t put my trust in it any more.
Questions for Tom Watson:
1. Is there any level of violence committed by Israeli forces on Palestinians that you could possibly consider to be intimidating to Palestinian human beings? If so, define where those limits lie and why, if appropriate, you have not publicly condemned Israel for its unacceptable intimidatoryŵ behaviour?
2. Is there any level of land appropriation carried out by the State of Israel, contrary to International Agreements, that you will actually condemn? If not, you have no right to own property in the UK and should hand all your titular land over to Jews to use as they see fit…
3. Why are you so obsessed with kissing the unprincipled ass of the Israeli State? The Israeli state has no place interfering in any way in UK politics and no member of the Mossad should ever be granted legal due process in this country, until such a time as Benjamin Netanyahu has made a disclosure sufficiently devastating to the reputation of Israel over its deep involvement in the 9/11 terrorist attacks, whose primary beneficiary has been publicly acknowledged to be Israeli interests in the Middle East.
You see, Mr Watson: Jews living in this country have to accept that UK interests come before Israeli ones. If they cannot accept that, they have no right to UK citizenship and the sooner they are gone, the better.
That is not an intimidatory statement, it is a calm delineation of responsibilities inherent to being a Uk citizen.
They are free to emigrate to Israel any time they like.
Israel has no place whatever in determining Uk foreign policy. End of story.
I can never vote for any party which puts the Israeli State beyond trenchant criticism. I can never vote for anyone who says that Jews cannot be racist. I will never vote for anyone who says that Jews are intrinsically a superior race….
No chance of you getting my vote in the near future, is there?
I think this is his answer Rhys https://youtu.be/aaAMaMqYMXE
“Jews living in this country have to accept that UK interests come before Israeli ones.”
Many of them do accept that. It’s Israel’s fanatical apologists (gentile and Jew alike) who do not accept it.
Not sure if things are as bad in the UK, but I would suggest that Americans have to seriously consider one important point about AIPAC. AIPAC directs funds to political candidates based NOT upon what those candidates can do for the people they are supposed to represent (i.e. the residents of their state or Congressional district), but on what they can do for a foreign country. I watched the late Tony Judt on youtube describe a conversation with an American politician who said he disagreed with Israel but did nothing because even though there were no Jews in his district, he would be punished through the Lobby making it difficult for him to get things done for the people he represents. This is clearly putting the interests of Israel above those of the US and is the height of disloyalty.
“Why are you [Tom Watson] so obsessed with kissing the unprincipled ass of the Israeli State?”
He looks like he isn’t getting enough else to eat these days. ?
I do not think it was a good cartoon, and Great Britannia has more blood on her hands than Little Izzie has; see my next post. The RAF is bombed civilians mercilessly in Yemen right now, and has done so in Syria, Libya, Iraq and Serbia (to name a few) with millions dead. Palestinian rights are best left to the locals (Iran, Syria, Hezb) who are doing a good job of clearing out the terrorists financed by Britain and flooded into the Middle East by Britain and her NATZO accomplices.
Corbyn is a dear bumbling old buffer but absolutely clueless about foreign affairs. He should concentrate his “own strength which is most faint” on trying to do something about Britishers Rights. Start by purging the Labour party of BLiarites — deselect anybody who voted for the rape of Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen. Our rights were whittled away by NuLabour, remember?
With great respect (seriously), that is a mealy mouthed response with some diversionary facts thrown in.
Back in the day, most agreed that Corbyn’s great store of political capital was built from his record on foreign policy, now you say it is his weak point ?
Can anyone explain how Jon Lansman ended up as the political campaign supremo for the only two decent Leftwing leadership prospects in Labour in my lifetime (Benn and Corbyn) ? The man is a machiavellian, anti-democratic, power mad millionaire businessman with a habit of defending ethno- supremacists from criticism. [sing together, you know the tune] “Oh-h-h-h Jon Lansman”
Crank, I supported JC even in those early days when he was the 100-to-1 “unelectable”. It was just so good to have a Socialist as Labour Leader. He was right about Iraq because he was Robin Cook’s man, and that is to his credit. He is right to sympathise like a traditional Labour member with the wretched plight of the Palestinians, and to speak with Palestinian representatives Hamas, and with the Lebanese Resistance group Hezb’Allah. But his failure to resist British Zionazis, and his pronouncements under the May regime re Syria and Russia, show that he “has been badly advised” ie, lost the plot.
Naturally I shall be delighted if Corbyn becomes PM, and I would be happy to see him put his strength into fullfilling the execution of his Conference Manifesto which is focussed on domestic issues. Rightly, in my opinion: Britannia is no longer “Punching above her weight”, thank goodness:
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-party-conference-2019-policy-assessed-private-schools-brexit-working-week-636589
With great respect, Corbyn doesn’t have ‘a record on foreign policy’ because he’s never been in power. Likely never will be.
Donald Trump had a pretty laudable ‘record on foreign policy, too, and it survived robustly until his inauguration.
Corbyn voted in the Commons over decades on foreign policy decisions. That is generally considered to be ‘a record on foreign policy’.
Trump had never represented anyone before the presidential 2016.
Meanwhile in the real world:
“Via uprisingtoday
“Yemen Press Agency has obtained exclusive information that war crimes committed during the past two days in Hodeidah, Amran and Dhalea were carried out by Israeli and British warplanes.
Informed military sources in the southern provinces revealed to “Yemen Press Agency” that air raids by Israel and Britain have killed dozens of civilians.
The sources added that the warplanes launched from the British Royal Air Base in the Bahraini capital Manama were refueled by air through American fuel planes launched from the American warships in the Red Sea and Bab al-Mandab.
Civilian homes in Dhalea al-Hodeida and Amran provinces have been hit by dozens of air strikes in the past two days, killing more than 26 civilians, mostly women and childrren”
https://www.uprising.today/report-israeli-and-british-planes-take-direct-part-in-bombing-yemen/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
PS Pepe Escobar in Saker Vineyard likewise reports from the real world, far, far away from the sheltered world of Labour Conference attendees:
“It is clear to us that Iran bears responsibility for this attack. There is no other plausible explanation.”
The statement above was not written by Franz Kafka. It was written by a the Merkel-Macron-Johnson trio, representing Germany, France and the UK.
“There is no other plausible explanation” translates as the occultation of Yemen by Iran; Yemen, the pounding ground of a vicious Saudi war conducted with US and UK weapons, which has generated a horrendous humanitarian crisis.
https://thesaker.is/how-yemens-houthis-are-bringing-down-a-goliath/
There are credible reports and claims that a complex Yemeni ground operation into Shady Wahabia wiped out 3 Shady brigades several thousand strong a few days ago, inflicting very heavy casualties, destroying much equipment and occupying 350 sq km of Shady territory. There seems to be a blackout on this in the MSM.
Mark, the ever-reliable Canthama says “Yemenis walk the talk”,and newer posts say the same BTL SyrianPerspective:
Further to Canthama’s earlier update ….
ISWNews Analysis Group: Brigadier Yahya Al Sari, the Yemeni Armed Forces spokesman after weeks of silence unveiled the information of the AnsarAllah’s recent operation in north of Saadah and Najran border.
Yahya Al Sari said:
– Six full brigades of enemy were destroyed and hundreds of military and armored vehicles were captured during this major operation.
– The number of enemy casualties and captives in the operation of ‘Nasr Min Allah’ is thousands.
– During the operation, hundreds of kilometers were liberated along the Najran border.
– The enemy intended to bomb its forces after they surrendered to Ansar Allah. We reassure the captive families that we will protect the captives from the strikes of Saudi warplanes.
– More details about the operation will be announced in the future.
Brigadier Yahya Al Sari announced that in the coming days, images of the operation would indicate heavy losses and casualties to the Saudi coalition.
Peter – I’d like to know the police response during your interviews. Did they have any clue what you were talking about? The Lobby, AS slurs etc. Did any of them appear to understand that these things exist? Or, as I expect, those who want to police their fellow citizens, don’t have the intellect to even question anything
Hi Basher,
The police were interested and I might say surprisingly receptive. During the interview the policewoman (whom I’d met the day before at Conference) was very curious. I don’t know if it was an act, but I know there was a lot of debate in police HQ about this. As far as I can tell, they don’t think I’ve done anything wrong.
The Brighton cops were far more considered than the Liverpool ones I met at last year’s Conference. I almost took them to court- and I’d have won, if not for the fact they found a piece of paper saying they’d been on private land when they prevented my banner going up with a short-term bylaw against banners – and so they had authority to stop me.
In Brighton, on the other hand, I was on public land. The Brighton cops are fully aware they have possibly broken the law.
Corbyn is weak over these anti-Semitic false charges, but after his betrayal of Brexit voters he’ll lose too many votes to form a majority government able to reform. I paid £25 to join Labour to vote for him for leader but I’m sick of pissing into the wind waiting for him to act forcefully. To effect real political change we must now wait for the nationwide riots which are surely coming. That’ll be something to watch.
Michael, I hope you are wrong about possible rioting, but would not bet against it.
Politicians, particularly Labour have totally lost their way, fallen out of touch with ordinary people – Gordon Brown and the “bigoted woman” remark really nailed their colours to the mast. I believed in Corbyn at the beginning, thinking that he would be a force for change, but it hasn’t happened and to be fair it hasn’t really been his fault. The party has too much infighting. I once joked that Tony Bliar set out to ruin the Labour Party, it now turns out that the joke isn’t funny.
If you had a live mic running unbeknown to you when you are tired and frustrated would your colours be nailed to the mast? Not really – only that you lost your peace of mind.
Politicians are totally outmanoeuvred and outgunned if not captured and run by powerful lobbies – in which the will of the people is no longer accounted as such – excepting as a narrative to be engineered.
To seek power first so as then to effect a new world order is the Faustian Pact.
Blair’s New Labour was more of a coup for a denied political class to engage in the perks and privilege of serving power – and from the system as framed, they may have felt it the only option left among the crumbs from the table.
The power to set the narrative is nothing to do with truth, but everything to do with coercion and deceit – however, whatever is officially asserted can be reverse engineered to read what is not being said as well as seeing why it is being said now. Unlike the Wizard of Oz, the curtains are heavily surrounded by armed guards.
If the term goyim were changed to golem or automaton, it would be seen as not a racist term at all, but an elitist term of the right to possess and control the bot-net of a human unconsciousness.
Or to put in another way – only elitists are to have a voice at the table – for everyone else it is a sealed system with no user access. A top down dictate. You may acquire some privileges by aligning in service of a loveless agenda, but you have to live with yourself – while fantasies or substitution for life denies you the love of your life for a bit on the side that will leave you comfortless, isolate and soul-holed out.
Check mate, Britain. You have never been great, but now you have reached the lowest level of integrity and sovereignty in your existence.
You are bowing to the worst racists and fascists the world has ever seen. You are bowing to the psychological projection by the real anti-semites, the same club that financed Hitler to build his camps.
But look over there! Greta Thunberg! Climate change! No, global warming! No, Iran! No, Venezuela! No, Russia! No, Ukraine! No, Trump! No, Brexit!
No, anti-semitism by the murderers of the real Semites has taken over Western regimes and been greeted with flowers and cheers. Foreign interference into another sovereign nation can never come from Israel, because Israel owns the planet and thus all the countries on it. Therefor any and all countries on earth are Israel’s internal affairs.
One can only hope that psychological projection is fatal in its last stages.
So, if Anti-Semitism has been weaponised, then its fake use is more offensive than being an antisemite.
It would appear the ability to lance this particular form of weapon is to:
1. Call for a rule change in the Labour Playbook and Parliament, that
a) Members guilty of rascism are excluded from the Party.
b) Members guilty of making fake rascism charges are exluded from the ALL Parties and from holding Office.
c) Members guilty of making fake rascism charges are charged with libel, monies paid for by the Government.
2. Now is there anyone who fits 1 b) and should face 1 c)?
Can you imagine the screaming.
Complete cowardice by Jeremy Corbyn, who I used to have enormous respect for. I now agree one thing with the mob who have been viciously attacking him, to which he has completely caved in. Any leader who will not stand up against such racist apartheid bullies is in my view too “unfit to be prime minister”
RIP the labour party. I can no longer vote Labour, whilst they are still infiltrated by this warmongering Blairite filth.
Tony
He has stood up aplenty. This episode is anomalous and did he actually see the poster? Which by the way, omitted his usual red cloak, forehead horns and pointed tail. This seems a long way from wanting all Jews dead. But the ideological offspring of Bernays seem comfortable in equating the two. What are labels for, after all.
There needs be new words in the language. We don’t need terms for those who don’t like some Jews (can be said for any group) or for those who hate all Jews (we’ve got those). But using anti-Semite to label those who are disgusted by the actions of Israel is preposterous. We need a word for Jews who support the inhuman treatment of the Palestinians, because not all do. We need a word for Jews who promote the US invasion and laying to waste of Israel’s neighbours (again not all do). We need a word for American Jews who see their primary loyalty to Israel, and pretend otherwise, and many others. We have adopted kommorebi and waldensamkeit, maybe there are words from other languages.
Is it time for a Spartacus moment where bumper stickers say |”Anti-Semite” like Corbyn and proud of it| ? Perhaps that would deflate the injudicious usage. Seinfeld poked fun at this in his infamous Soup Nazi sketch.
When has he stood up to them as leader? Got any examples ?
Yes, George Cornell (whose opinions I mostly respect by the way) you need to justify your claim by providing actual examples – for I have yet to witness any
Franklin and Crank, Corbyn has stood up again and again for the biggest issue which chronically threatens world peace, viz. the treatment of the Palestinians. Not to mention an issue in which the Israelis have crossed every most boundaries. Having provoked them to rage, they have taken advantage. For doing the right thing Corbyn has paid a heavy price, with English Jewry seemingly determined to undermine him by any means, fair or mostly foul. There are very few people who do this (stand on principle) anymore among the public and it has all but vanished among the political class, who carefully pick and choose issues they want to be seen on the right side of.
I am giving him free passage on the issue of confronting the single issue fanatics and he surely will not change their minds because this is not about logic or fair play, is it. It is simply not possible to have a discussion with these people without immediate and flagrant violation of the usual norms. I’m not privy to his reasons but certainly others have defended him. When I said he has stood up aplenty, I meant the core issue. I should have made that clear.
So, do we agree that since winning the leadership, Corbyn has capitulated to this political movement at every juncture?
Not really Crank, because capitulation would mean giving up his support for the Palestinians. And surely that is the core issue. It will not have escaped anyone’s notice that Corbyn’s reluctance to confront these people has done nothing to inhibit their strident attacks on him. So why waste his time kowtowing? Good question and to highlight this.
What does ‘support’ really mean if one does what the opponents of those you ‘support’ demand at every turn (including allowing the suspension and eviction of the comrades who are also key ‘supporters’) ?
It means a supportive tweet here and there, but nothing substantive. The same can be said for many things Corbynesque – Assange being an obvious one that springs to mind. He can go on tweeting and ceding ground to extremists at the same time.
It is a cargo cult.
Thank you for clarifying that, George
Tonyopmoc.
Jeremy hasn’t caved in…
Why should he ”Stand Up To Them?” Sounds like advice an unthinking father would give to his son to deal with schoolyard bullies. He is one, they are millions.
I say he should ignore them.. Let them blow and bluster till they are blue in the face…
They expose themselves each and every time they open their mouths. We see them for exactly what they are, and are all aware of the lies they have spread.. all disproven.
Jeremy tried to appease them in the beginning, apologising for something he didn’t do or intend to do.
The actual truth is out there on the internet for anyone who wants to know the truth. But will be difficult for those who rely on the MSM presstitutes, who have been bought and paid for by the very people screaming for Jeremy’s blood..
My Mum used to have a saying, a bit crude but never the less apt.
”I don’t converse with dog Shiite, I step over it.” And this is how you deal with cretins like them.
Jeremy Corbyn is a man above all men. He is playing the game well, biding his time. Clearly you have never played chess?
As someone said above. The first job he needs to do is purge the backstabbers.
Make the soil hostile so that their roots are too shallow, but do it lawfully.
Even the Brexit fiasco…. Jeremy has to cater to all… As many people voted for, as against, and he is doing his best to satisfy them all. and get a deal that will look after all of us and keep our jobs, education and health service secure for our future generations, and attempt to bring some peace to the world.
How would you do this Tony?
Walk a mile in his shoes.
We need a word for Jews who support the inhuman treatment of the Palestinians……..Likud.
Yes, but Likud plus unfortunately.
How about Zionist?
Brilliant idea George…
I cancelled my membership of the Labour Party last year – precisely for the reasons you outline – If Corbyn doesn’t start pushing back against all this lying and hypocrisy I will probably be voting Green Party
F J Roosevelt
LOL and let the Conservatives/Liberals back in???
Your comment is food for thought. . . . . .
The Greens are weaklings and would never stand up to attacks from Israel.
Expression of opinion is not a crime; it is a fundamental human right. Censorship is the violation of that fundamental human right.
Outrageous! The poster of the evil Netanyahu is nothing more than a depiction of reality. Maybe he doesn’t fly jets, maybe the scale of his head is a bit off and he seems to big for the warplane but the general gist is factual. Like Corbyn or not, it is refreshing to see a politician who stands for something other than being elected.