F. William Engdahl
Climate. Now who wudda thought. The very mega-corporations and mega-billionaires behind the globalization of the world economy over recent decades, whose pursuit of shareholder value and cost reduction who have wreaked so much damage to our environment both in the industrial world and in the under-developed economies of Africa, Asia, Latin America, are the leading backers of the “grassroots” decarbonization movement from Sweden to Germany to the USA and beyond.
Is it pangs of guilty conscience, or could it be a deeper agenda of the financialization of the very air we breathe and more?
Whatever one may believe about the dangers of CO2 and risks of global warming creating a global catastrophe of 1.5 to 2 degree Celsius average temperature rise in the next roughly 12 years, it is worth noting who is promoting the current flood of propaganda and climate activism.
Several years before Al Gore and others decided to use a young Swedish school girl to be the poster child for climate action urgency, or in the USA the call of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for a complete reorganization of the economy around a Green New Deal, the giants of finance began devising schemes for steering hundreds of billions of future funds to investments in often worthless “climate” companies.
In 2013 after years of careful preparation, a Swedish real estate company, Vasakronan, issued the first corporate “Green Bond.” They were followed by others including Apple, SNCF and the major French bank Credit Agricole.
In November 2013 Elon Musk’s problem-riddled Tesla Energy issued the first solar asset-backed security. Today according to something called the Climate Bonds Initiative, more than $500 billion in such Green Bonds are outstanding.
The creators of the bond idea state their aim is to win over a major share of the $45 trillion of assets under management globally which have made nominal commitment to invest in “climate friendly” projects.
Bonnie Prince Charles, future UK Monarch, along with the Bank of England and City of London finance have promoted “green financial instruments,” led by Green Bonds, to redirect pension plans and mutual funds towards green projects. A key player in the linking of world financial institutions with the Green Agenda is outgoing Bank of England head Mark Carney.
In December 2015, the Bank for International Settlements’ Financial Stability Board (FSB), chaired then by Carney, created the Task Force on Climate-related Financial Disclosure (TCFD), to advise “investors, lenders and insurance about climate related risks.” That was certainly a bizarre focus for world central bankers.
In 2016 the TCFD along with the City of London Corporation and the UK Government initiated the Green Finance Initiative, aiming to channel trillions of dollars to “green” investments. The central bankers of the FSB nominated 31 people to form the TCFD.
Chaired by billionaire Michael Bloomberg of the financial wire, it includes key people from JP MorganChase; from BlackRock–one of the world’s biggest asset managers with almost $7 trillion; Barclays Bank; HSBC, the London-Hong Kong bank repeatedly fined for laundering drug and other black funds; Swiss Re, the world’s second largest reinsurance; China’s ICBC bank; Tata Steel, ENI oil, Dow Chemical, mining giant BHP Billington and David Blood of Al Gore’s Generation Investment LLC. In effect it seems the foxes are writing the rules for the new Green Hen House.
Bank of England’s Carney was also a key actor in efforts to make the City of London into the financial center of global Green Finance. The outgoing UK Chancellor of the Exchequer, Philip Hammond, in July 2019 released a White Paper, “Green Finance Strategy: Transforming Finance for a Greener Future.”
The paper states:
One of the most influential initiatives to emerge is the Financial Stability Board’s private sector Task Force on Climate-related Financial Disclosures (TCFD), supported by Mark Carney and chaired by Michael Bloomberg. This has been endorsed by institutions representing $118 trillion of assets globally.”
There seems to be a plan here. The plan is the financialization of the entire world economy using fear of an end of world scenario to reach arbitrary aims such as “net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”
Goldman Sachs Key Actor
The omnipresent Wall Street bank, Goldman Sachs, which spawned among others ECB outgoing President Mario Draghi and Bank of England head Carney, has just unveiled the first global index of top-ranking environmental stocks, done along with the London-based CDP, formerly the Carbon Disclosure Project.
The CDP, notably, is financed by investors such as HSBC, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, American International Group, and State Street Corp.
The new index, called CDP Environment EW and CDP Eurozone EW, aims to lure investment funds, state pension systems such as the CalPERS (the California Public Employees’ Retirement System) and CalSTRS (the California State Teachers’ Retirement System) with a combined $600+ billion in assets, to invest in their carefully chosen targets.
Top rated companies in the index include Alphabet which owns Google, Microsoft, ING Group, Diageo, Philips, Danone and, conveniently, Goldman Sachs.
Enter Greta, AOC and Co.
At this point events take on a cynical turn as we are confronted with wildly popular, heavily promoted climate activists such as Sweden’s Greta Thunberg or New York’s 29-year-old Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the Green New Deal.
However sincere these activists may be, there is a well-oiled financial machine behind promoting them for gain.
Greta Thunberg is part of a well-connected network tied to the organization of Al Gore who is being cynically and professionally marketed and used by such agencies as the UN, the EU Commission and the financial interests behind the present climate agenda.
As Canadian researcher and climate activist, Cory Morningstar, documents in an excellent series of posts, what is at stake is a well-knit network that is tied to US climate investor and enormously wealthy climate profiteer, Al Gore, chairman of Generation Investment group.
Gore’s partner, ex-Goldman Sachs official David Blood as noted earlier, is a member of the BIS-created TCFD. Greta Thunberg along with her 17-year-old US climate friend, Jamie Margolin, were both listed as “special youth advisor and trustee” of the Swedish We Don’t Have Time NGO, founded by its CEO Ingmar Rentzhog.
Rentzhog is a member of Al Gore’s Climate Reality Organization Leaders, and part of the European Climate Policy Task Force. He was trained in March 2017 by Al Gore in Denver, and again in June 2018, in Berlin. Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project is a partner of We Don’t Have Time.
Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC), who made a huge splash in her first days in the US Congress for unveiling a “Green New Deal” to completely reorganize the US economy at a cost of perhaps $100 trillion, is also not without skilled guidance. AOC has openly admitted that she ran for Congress at the urging of a group called Justice Democrats.
She told one interviewer:
I wouldn’t be running if it wasn’t for the support of Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress. Umm, in fact it was it was these organizations, it was JD and it was Brand New Congress as well, that both, that asked me to run in the first place. They’re the ones that called me a year and a half ago…”
Now, as Congresswoman, AOC’s advisers include Justice Democrats co-founder, Zack Exley.
Exley was an Open Society Fellow and got funds from among others the Open Society Foundations and Ford Foundation to create a predecessor to Justice Democrats to recruit select candidates for office.
The Real Agenda is Economic
The links between the world’s largest financial groups, central banks and global corporations to the current push for a radical climate strategy to abandon the fossil fuel economy in favor of a vague, unexplained Green economy, it seems, is less about genuine concern to make our planet a clean and healthy environment to live.
Rather it is an agenda, intimately tied to the UN Agenda 2030 for “sustainable” economy, and to developing literally trillions of dollars in new wealth for the global banks and financial giants who constitute the real powers that be.
In February 2019 following a speech to the EU Commission in Brussels by Greta Thunberg, then-EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, after gallantly kissing Greta’s hand, appeared to be moved to real action. He told Greta and the press that the EU should spend hundreds of billions of euros combating climate change during the next 10 years.
Juncker proposed that between 2021 to 2027, “every fourth euro spent within the EU budget go toward action to mitigate climate change.”
What the sly Juncker did not say was that the decision had nothing to do with the young Swedish activist’s plea. It had been made in conjunction with the World Bank a full year before in September 26, 2018 at the One Planet Summit, along with the World Bank, Bloomberg Foundations, the World Economic Forum and others. Juncker had cleverly used the media attention given the young Swede to promote his climate agenda.
On October 17, 2018, days following the EU agreement at the One Planet Summit, Juncker’s EU signed a Memorandum of Understanding with Breakthrough Energy-Europe in which member corporations of Breakthrough Energy-Europe will have preferential access to any funding.
The members of Breakthrough Energy include Virgin Air’s Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Alibaba’s Jack Ma, Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, HRH Prince Al-waleed bin Talal, Bridgewater Associates’ Ray Dalio; Julian Robertson of hedge fund giant, Tiger Management; David Rubenstein, founder Carlyle Group; George Soros, Chairman Soros Fund Management LLC; Masayoshi Son, founder Softbank, Japan.
Make no mistake. When the most influential multinational corporations, the world’s largest institutional investors including BlackRock and Goldman Sachs, the UN, the World Bank, the Bank of England and other central banks of the BIS line up behind the financing of a so-called green Agenda, call it Green New Deal or what, it is time to look behind the surface of public climate activist campaigns to the actual agenda.
The picture that emerges is the attempted financial reorganization of the world economy using climate, something the sun and its energy have orders of magnitude more to do with than mankind ever could—to try to convince us ordinary folk to make untold sacrifice to “save our planet.”
Back in 2010 the head of Working Group 3 of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Dr Otmar Edenhofer, told an interviewer:
…one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.”
Since then the economic policy strategy has become far more developed.
Originally published at Global Research
F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook.” He is a frequent contributor to Global Research.
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No comment, just posting one side of the rhetoric:
Most of these Global Warming fanatics are just batshit crazy.
And the lunatics are taking over the asylum.
Not often I find anything to disagree with Jonathan Cook about – but I think he has taken the Greta koolaid.
1. There are man made environmental destructions.
No argument there.
Dodo’s, Giant turtles, carrier pigeons, big ‘game’, Cod, Whales, Tuna, Sharks … Bees, insects …air pollution, urban planning disasters, Flu viruses … smoking, drinking, cocaine, vaping…Nuclear waste, toxic waste, poisoned water…
Almost all of it can be laid at the doorstep of the Anglo Imperialists who came out of Europe over the last 500 years – can we deny that?
2. That Empire is threatened and needs a new rallying point to maintain and expand any further – so the rich can get richer and fuck the poor.
The whole of full spectrum narrative manufacturing machinery has been set rolling on this their next 50-100 year project.
Cory Morningstars work and revelations may be bunkum – but that needs proving. Anyone come close yet? Not Cook, afaik.
3. Greta, the ‘icon’ has been ‘chosen’ and ‘created’.
I suspect Malalaya Yusuf was the model they picked on.
‘In early 2009, Malala started to blog anonymously on the Urdu language site of the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC). She wrote about life in the Swat Valley under Taliban rule, and about her desire to go to school’
‘Malala was 11 years old when she wrote her first BBC diary entry. Under the blog heading “I am afraid,” she described her fear of a full-blown war in her beautiful Swat Valley, and her nightmares about being afraid to go to school because of the Taliban.’
BBC – 11 YEARS OLD !!!!! (WTF??? – manufacturing little girl icons much???)
‘On her return, after weeks of being away from Swat, Malala once again used the media and continued her public campaign for her right to go to school. Her voice grew louder, and over the course of the next three years, she and her father became known throughout Pakistan for their determination to give Pakistani girls access to a free quality education. Her activism resulted in a nomination for the International Children’s Peace Prize in 2011. That same year, she was awarded Pakistan’s National Youth Peace Prize.’
THEN SHE WAS SHOT.
‘At age 17, she became the youngest person to receive this (NOBEL) prize. Accepting the award, Malala reaffirmed that “This award is not just for me. It is for those forgotten children who want education. It is for those frightened children who want peace. It is for those voiceless children who want change.” ‘
‘Malala Yousafzai remains a staunch advocate for the power of education and for girls to become agents of change in their communities.’
She is doing PPE at Oxford ! Lives in UK and has dual Canadian (???)/Pakistani citizenship.
It seems clear that Greta is the ‘white’ Malala. And she wants school strikes where Malala wants girls to go to school!
Malala will no doubt end up in a ‘leadership’ role somewhere depending on how ‘traditional’ she choses to remain.
And since we have had MLK, Mandela .. and likes of Dalai Lama, Aung San Suu Kyi, Obama (whoopsie!) and the godfathet of the climate industry Al Gore
( Though Gandhi never got it! Despite having been nominated five times, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi never won the Prize. Following his assassination in 1948, the committee considered awarding it to him posthumously but decided against it — and, instead, withheld the Prize that year with the explanation that “there was no suitable living candidate.”
In 1961, Dag Hammarskjöld, who died after his nomination but several months before the announcement, became the only laureate to be recognised posthumously; following this, the statutes were changed to render a future posthumous prize nearly impossible.
So, lets see how it goes next …
‘The Nobel Prize Teacher Summit is an international teacher conference held in Stockholm every year. Teachers meet Nobel Prize Laureates, top scientists and peace activists around a theme of great importance. The 2019 theme is ‘Climate change changes everything’.’
Next Noble Peace prize winner to be announced – Friday 11 October, 2019.
Any bets? The youngest? An elfin ‘great white hope’ princess? Lol.
DoneGroaning: “Friday 11 October, 2019”
Must mark the date on my calendar. Oops! it was yesterday:
The Nobel Peace Prize 2019 was awarded to Abiy Ahmed Ali “for his efforts to achieve peace and international cooperation, and in particular for his decisive initiative to resolve the border conflict with neighbouring Eritrea.”
Never heard of him till he ‘won’
May be a well deserved one. For a change. Hope Greta ain’t too upset and continues sailing.
Looks as if the committee got my message🤤
Dungronin, never heard of him either. The only reason I looked up the latest No Peace Prize was to check your prediction. As for Eritrea, the AZC are stirring up a war there to match their war in Yemen: two sides of the same strategic “choke point” (the Bab-el-Mandel Straits) for control of world shipping.
“That is all you know, and all you need to know” — Keats.
Any day now, one of those awfully concerned “green” NGOs will issue a report stating that, after vast intensive scientific investigation, it has been conclusively proved that global warming’s true cause lies in public services, “bloated” wages given to workers, too high taxes on the rich, all socialist parties everywhere, books by Marx and Engels, insufficient patriotism, lack of respect for tradition and Godlessness. The only cure will be the reinstatement of Dickensian working conditions, elimination of education beyond Bible studies and a Malthusian reduction of the population to take us back to those good old pastoral days.
we are ALL under attack
from a duplicitous government and an undemocratic elite
try asking your MP about EU Military Union
ben wallace the blue peter minister of defence implies he hasn’t got a clue – about anything …. tralala
Worth book marking this vid of Thunberg and Attenburgh lending their ‘brands’ to the WEF campaign.
[Cory M asks why is this not on Greta’s Twitter feed ? – How many skoolstrikers and XR peeps have seen this? ]
It is truly bizarre how in your face this all is, and how people who have written- literally for decades, about corporatisation of environmental movements are able to ignore the brazen sell out taking place right now.
[From Medialens article :]
Consider the above linked vid and the extract from Greta’s recent speech at the UN here.
Consider the ridiculous statement by Jonathan Cook in his article defending the Greta :
How can she navigate ? She is 16 ! It has taken me (and most people I know) decades as an adult to really come to grips with the depth and pervasiveness of the propaganda system and its social engineering agendas. How is this movement going to evolve in the world of controlled social media ? Are XR on bitchute and Gab.com ? No, they are on Youtube and Twitter, Facebook.
How will the ‘movement’ respond to the next big false flag terrorist event, or the unfolding economic collapse ? I think it will become much more radicalised and even more easily manipulated than it already is. But then again, Cook and Medialens accept the 9/11 official story and so show themselves to be pretty clueless about understanding social engineering.
Excellent point all. I hadn’t seen your comment before posting my own above!
I can’t express how disappointed and disgusted I was upon discovering Cook’s article on Consortium News. I was a big supporter of Jonathan Cook before this. I found him to be solid.
I was happy to see that a few other commenters (but a minority) were not bedazzled by Cook’s status as a solid progressive (until this) and had some critical remarks. One commenter was Daniel Lazare. I don’t know whether that was the author and frequent contributor to CN who goes by that name, but I responded to his remark (which I was happy to see included a favorable mention of Cory Morningstar’s research) with a simple “Thank you!” and it, along with the other comments I attached to Cook’s article, never appeared. Is CN going establishment?
There’s no end to the betrayal. Progressives who pay attention know about many of the traitors. Gilbert Achcar, a fascist who masquerades as a socialist, is one who we’ve known about for a while. But until a recent Grayzone piece by Ben Norton, I had no idea just how awful Achcar is. The story uses a picture of him appearing on Democracy Now!, where Noam Chomsky is very welcome. And lo and behold, Norton’s article revealed that Chomsky has co-authored a book with Achcar (which, despite my having read many of Chomsky’s books, I didn’t know about). I’ve been dismayed to see Chomsky go from super progressive to establishment, bit by bit, but what’s alarming about this is the fact that Achcar is notorious for invoking R2P when pushing for regime change here and there while Chomsky is famous for exposing that tool of imperialists, including addressing a special UN panel where he spoke against R2P in no uncertain terms. Go figure.
Jumping jellybeans Arby! – we’ve been reading the same things. I knew Achcar was an imperialist gatekeeper years ago – that whole Jacobin/DSA/now defunct ISO crowd are: ‘wolves in socialists clothing’. You can add our frequent troll Louis Proyect to that list. There’s a socialist group here in Australia called Socialist Alternative who are closely linked to the Jacobin – DSA crowd. Complete pseudo fake left. Won’t go near them with a 100 foot barge pole. Yeah, read that peice by Ben Norton at The Grayzone = excellent = one of my go too trustworthy sites. Was quite dumbfounded by Jonathan Cook also. I didn’t even finish his article on Greta Thunberg etc, just went WTF? And exited it. Any ‘socialist’ or ‘progressive’ that promotes R2P is absolutely neither in my opinion.
Sadly, Jonathan Cook is now one of those sell-outs, too: https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/01/greta-thunberg-the-consolation-of-doubt/
I had some respect for the guy back in the day when he was one of the few who wasn’t afraid to call out the fake-news Guardian. But I guess he just couldn’t resist the charms of Davos Girl.
All this is pure astro turfing by Soros, mega billionaires, Wall Street, The City, and global corporate interests, to promote the quack pseudo religious cult of Global Warming in their own interests.
There is a lot of money to be made out of these mega boondoggles.
Al Gore trousered a cool $500 million out of the short lived Chicago Climate Exchange.
But that is mere chicken feed.
40% of the $21 trillion US economy consists of Wall Street Wide Boys peddling pieces of derivatives toilet paper and pretending they are worth billions. They are salivating over the prospect of trillions more from peddling Global Warming Hot Air Certificates, like Tetzel and his medieval Papal Indulgencies.
Soon everybody will need the endorsement of Little Greta and her well heeled backers and wire pullers, and this will be available (at a price) for anyone who wishes to avoid the wrath of the Green Taliban.
Anyone who objects or queries any of this hysteria will be the new heretics of the Green Inquisition.
Everybody who values their career and their future will have to doff their cap, tug their forelock, and worship at the Great Global Warming Altar.
Otherwise, “You have stolen my childhood! You have ruined my life!! I have no future!!! How dare you!!!!”
All must worship at the shrine of St. Greta. Like Baana and Dusty Boy before her.
And this sets the stage for the biggest heist of trillions of pension assets to finance Green Boondoggles.
After all, older people are Global Warming Criminals and don’t deserve these assets.
Far better that they be handed over to the virtuous Global Warming Heroes (and their plutocratic handlers) to use as they see fit.
Makes the late Robert Maxwell look like a rank amateur.
Plus trillions more in Macron Style Green Taxes for the little people.
BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 12 YEARS/ 11 YEARS/ 4 YEARS/ 27 MINUTES TO SAVE THE PLANET!!!!!!!
Sums it up nicely.
Follow the money trail and the puppet strings…. Correct again Mark, and many are falling for the Pied Piper routine. Unquestioning. As usual. But hey, think of all the Trillions to be made by those already obscenely wealthy elites. $$$. Nothing much changes, aye.
Mark, you mean 48 minutes?
They got nowhere with Omran Daqneesh (dirt covered cutie sitting on a bus or something). His father stepped in and put his foot down. Malala Yousafzai’s parents were too uneducated (despite the father’s having been a teacher) to understand the fakery around everyone’s rushing to attach themselves to Malala. I don’t know what she’s doing today, but I do know that she got off to a terrible start. Bana al-Abed, as Eva Bartlett and Barbara McKenzie report, was used. How she is faring today I don’t know. It’s frightening, but nothing new, the way people use children, whether they are in developed or undeveloped countries and whether or not their parents are educated. Derrick O’Keefe, who helped Malalai Joya write her (good) book, wrote an article comparing the West’s treatment of Malala Yousafzai and Tamimi Ahed that does a lot to show how those unprincipled exploiters operate.
Thanks for that. I couldn’t remember that bint’s name. I knew it was M something, Malaria or something.
I know nothing of climate change. The questions I would like answering are:
“Is this going to stop farmers poisoning our land?”
“Will it save all/any threatened species?”
“When are they going to actually ban Deisel motors?” (I note a new British designed/built 4×4 has been announced, I assume it’s deisel. It’s called the “Grenadier”…..(bangs head on table)
I don’t care about Greta’s lack of carbon footprint on her journey to New York. I want the same coverage of the fact that a crew of 5 had to fly there to bring the boat back.
Finally!!!!! The Democrats have come come up with a solution and…..possibly a new slogan.
What else is left for the plutocrats and the oligarchs.
Lets commodify the environment. One can always smell a rat when the msm get on board. Further more a damn insult to any erudite individual. Until we as individual do not instigate a paradigm shift what is the point in having mass demonstrations and using children to promote ur next ponzi scheme.
Mass consumption and the corporatization of all aspects of our lives and the fact that using such emotive arguments with regards to environmental degradation of our society is only giving the elites more fuel in pursuing their agenda of the next phase of their fascistic reality(Technocracy).
Post Scriptum: Wake up
Docius in Fundem : Don’t buy into their propaganda and consume less and don’t support the BORG
What is really unfortunate about this article, is the spin is so damn obvious to debunk the climate emergency that is real. Of ____ing course the banks and every other capitalist pig will do their best to capitalize on the situation. Unfortunately (and of course you will see it on this thread) the troglodyte deniers that there is any problem whatsoever, or that it is just solar cycles and other such nonsense will jump on this article and say see? See? Al Gore Al Gore Al Gore!!!!!!
You’re missing the point. Even if global warming itself is for real, if the proposed ‘solution’ to it is fake, then what good will it do? It’s just as good as doing nothing anyway, don’t you see?
How will giving trillions to Soros and Goldman Sachs “save the planet?”
And unlimited power to the Green Taliban to regulate every aspect of our lives?
It is now impossible for this country to have a steel industry because of the extortionate cost of “green” energy boondoggles.
In terms of simply putting my cards on the table I’ll say that I have grave concerns about human impacts on not only climate, but on our collective devastation of eco-systems globally, and our continuous poisoning of air, land and water, and our own bodies. All of these issues seem of rather clear and pressing importance as human populations grow and our endless growth capitalist madness continues.
This said, to credulously believe that the uber-capitalist class that has been profiting decade after decade through the organized destruction of earth’s very habitability, has suddenly been brought to heel by a 16 year old girl is – well – unimaginable from my vantage point. These are the same array of global forces who didn’t bat any eye while a half-a-million Iraqi children died under their sanctions, but now they feel shame?
Just as I don’t doubt the sincerity of Greta, or the many young people protesting, I also don’t for one minute believe those at the helm of the capitalist machine of global destruction have suddenly gained either perspective and/or a conscience.
I agree with Gary, this not a simple choice between right and wrong but a hard choice between two rights (or two wrongs). Firstly, it is right to fight against the wanton destruction of the natural environment by “Capitalism red in tooth and claw.” Secondly, anything written by Engdahl must be taken very seriously; if Engdahl says a Conspiracy of Capitalists are paying a Bana-girl to cry, “Save the Planet”, that is probably right as well.
I think Zionist strategy in British-occupied Palestine is a good guide in this situation: “We shall fight for the Environment as though there were no Capitalists promoting it; and we shall fight the Capitalists as though they were not promoting the Environment”.
“…Juncker had cleverly used the media attention given the young Swede to promote his climate agenda.”[ above],a practice made famous by Saul Alinski![ RIP]
Ben, never heard of him but here is a quote from WikiPedia:
“Lest we forget where mythology leaves off and history begins (or which is which), the first radical who rebelled against the establishment and won his own kingdom: Lucifer.”
Of all those listed as advisors on climate issues, only Swiss Re has any business being there. Swiss Re is a huge reinsurer against weather disasters and has many decades of detailed data on natural events which cause insurance claims to be made. They will have developed sophisticated financial models to ensure that their indurance premiums are correctly adjusted to adverse event frequency and ferocity. So they probably have some basis for saying they know what they are talking about.
All the rest of them are merely muscling in on the latest way to rig markets…
Yup, they will not give up the scam, first, whom invented the Co2 scam, find that out where it all began, and then you will know, in Britain, Thatchers regime about Nuke ind. and to get rid of competition of the cheeper coal, they invented CO2, or particles, etc, clouding our sun, before the IPCC desided the sun dont have jack shit to do with earths temp at all, and you idiots stil belive the AGW nonsense, polution, etc to agricultural monocultures, the shit list is long but non of this have anything to do with AGW, they are just more thrown into the same bucket as AGW to have, eh… something to say, about eh…. the envirioment, and biodiversitys, when in Western Norway, Smøla an windmill park have since it started chopped down over 100 White taled eagles, an 747 siced bird, something they dont want to talk about and that creature is highly vital, since ots capable to take out other big birds, as seagals, etc, and thats just One windmill park and now they are poopong up everywhere, while in other countrys as Denmark whom have had this for an longer time realised they are basically useless, is cutting them down and so are Germany, while in Norway they have seen the light, hallelujah, and we are going uh…. green.
Doing something, upgrading the water turbins would have done much, much more, is not even talked about, even when its known, nope, its not, eh….. green enough.
And again, its funny to read the belivers whine about indifels, deniers, buhuhu, and while they claim, of course based upon whats in/on the TV and MSM, witch we all know have an credibility rate ranging in the sub-zero range, is used as an prof, pleeasse, and how many of you have read critics, anyone, anything, right.
Instead of me, since I am an old grump fart, just remind you about previous, uh…. periods, and hyped coolings, to hyped warming, glasiers evaporating to ice ages coming next friday, they never ended this type of hyping senarios, theorys, agendas, showing us horror videos of rising water levels, all based upon the mother of f….ups, assumptions, and theorys witch is made by people whom cant do math, and bakes in an liner growth in the statistics, and thats the advanced scammers, the idiots just cuts and pasits graps to fitt their drooling, and I will just give you an video, and do watch it, because this tells you what you need.
Since I was just skipping into some few issues, I recomend you to read the coments, the belivers never give up, continue with what they think is reason, and denies facts, like decades ago, when this came up, the first thing I seached for was Greenland Ice core drilling results, witch of course contradicts everything the AGW cultistas claims, and by the way, NASA (never an straight answer) is an UssA paramilitary org, and why didnt they talk about the UssA army, whom is the number one burner of oil/fuel, their army burns somwhere aroun 90% of UssA total consumption of fosil fuel, yeeehaaa.
And to remind you, another fact, winter, god old bloody winters are coming back due to the cylic due to our suns radiation, an somewhere aroun an 60 year amplitute, we are going down ward now, etc, and I laughed when the Norwegian state of the art scientific reseach wessel Crownprince Håkon, got stuck in the summer ice half way passing Svalbar, hehe, like the other one, 2 years ago, stuck in the antaritcs, remeber that one, huh, belivers.
But the article is correct, this is about econmic power, the control of it, and do notice, like the refugee scam, aka invasion armys of Africans a.s.o. this is confined to european lands incl north America, only, weird isnt it.
Capitalism, crashing, nope, its an MMT coming down in flames, if you dont get that, you have an problem, that one, is deraling, we have warned you for years, negative intress, etc, the last death ratles of an dying religion, and the high preiests in the castles, aka the Central bankers have to invent another scam to have an option, this is just an trasition period, from an dollar based scam to another one, witch is based upon energy and possibly crypto currencys.
All in all, the article is dead on.
Never think this is true, nothing of this is based upon facts, only prodjections, nothing else than hot air.
Since printing air didnt work, they need something new, an new world order.
Sieg hail, to the Greta Jungets.( i read an coment witch used this, and I agrees).
Yeah, I stil find this debate/deadbeat enritching, it makes me smile and laugh.
Have an nice day, and remeber, Al-Gordia bought an condoe down by the sea side, like Obamalama, yup, and the AGW idiots stil belive.
Extinction Rebellion are not just the latest con/mind control, they’ve also been conjured up because the global economy is about to crash again. The criminals/psychopaths who rule us know that the pitchforks will really be out this time. Solution: the Greta nonsense; or if that doesn’t work, World War Three.
The biggest problem here, as I see it, is getting a majority of people to understand that the world is controlled by complete psychopaths.
Frankly, I think it’s more complex than some convoluted conspiracy of big capital, if that’s possible. I think especially young people, are looking aghast at what we’ve done with their inheritance and this makes them vulnerable. After all, apparently some 7.5 million demoed on Friday around planet. True, most of them in the so-called developed world.
The questions to ask I think is whether the people/institutions behind XR consciously exploited the fears of the young simply to make money or was it more Machiavellian, a conscious decision to divert the fears away from challenging capitalism.
After all the capitalist classes of the Anglo-American empire think nothing of engineering the complete extermination of entire cultures, Libya especially comes to mind because it was the richest nation in Africa deliberately turned into a slave auction. I am not surprised by even the most outlandish actions of the pirates. They are capable of anything.
Barovsky, I’ll beg to differ in some respects.
The younger generations are born into a world that they think is totally normal. This is totally natural, because they have no direct experience ocf the world before they existed.
People like you and me (and I’m assuming that you’re a ‘getting-on-for-old bar steward’ like me) understand the post-war consensus, and how, for a brief time, the plebs were given half a chance.
All gone, all destroyed, by Thatcher and Reagan and all the psychos who followed them.
The only thing left now is revolution; and it’s started to happen in France.
“They follow the news, such as it is, on FB or Twitter, even XR.” I don’t know what XR is. Anyway, I would agree with someone who praised parents for feeding their kinds ‘highly nutritious’ Twinkies and to give as examples of news deep State entitites like Facebook and Twitter is alarming.
edit: As usual, I meant “wouldn’t,” not “would.”
Sorry, XR = Extinction/Rebellion. As to the rest, I fail to comprehend. Twinkies? Okay, it depends how they interact with either FB or Twit, as to whether they get news or fake news. Off Guardian, Grayzone, all the independent news are available on both platforms. True, they’re censoring some indie, or at least ‘anti-American et al, stuff, but if I go through my selection on my Twitter feed, virtually all the info sources I get via email or RSS, are in the Twitter feed, if I so choose.
I don’t know if OG editors go through their stats to get a sense of who is reading here, but I use WordPress (though not self-hosted) like OG does, so I know what of stats they have access to, at the minimum and I bet that just like my user list (about 400 signed recieve posts), I hazard a guess that very few are lefties.
And surely, this is the point, why the empire trying to censor the Web, they don’t want the ‘Twinkie’ eaters to access real news! And I think to denigrate them as Twinkie eaters, ain’t too cool.
I knew that! It was the context (apple, pear, brick sort of thing). Ext Reb isn’t a social network!
“…I fail to comprehend.” Okay.
Exactly. And notice how, unlike with Greta the Davos Girl, the media almost completely ignore the gilets jaunes in France! It appears that some revolutions are just more telegenic than others.
Younger folks demonstrate easily. They are easily emotionally aroused but are usually less than fully informed. When I was at college 30 years ago, 21 year olds were demonstrating on leftie issues before applying for jobs with big corporate employers.
It will be same now.
Some things never change.
I read your comments with interest.Rewards are changing!
The majority of people are far too ignorant to understand that Democrat & Republican bankers control Congress, and that Congress writes the plans for the psychopaths so that the psychopaths can distract us all from reading the plans that Congress signed into law when we were all too busy infighting on Internet to even notice.
The Bible warns all to beware of tricksters smiling like a friend yet William Jefferson ‘I did not have sex with that woman Monica Lewinski’ Clinton was smiling profusely when he signed the legislation to repeal the Great Depression era led Glass-Steagall Act in front of global televised viewership during his tenure in the Whore House of ill repute.
Not that I am a Bible thumper but the majority in power only do the bidding of banks. And banks collect psychopaths by the dozen daily everywhere in the Western world.
If I’d have been in doubt about supporting the sentiments of this article, seeing a renowned Israeli war crimes apologist take issue with it helpfully confirms which side of the line I should be on.
The long and short of my thoughts on the issue would be – why is this the one item on the agenda which isn’t being manipulated? The entire news media knowingly tells fundamental lies all day, every day, but this is the one time I have to believe it or else apocalypse? Why is the solution always to deny a reasonable standard of living to normal people worldwide not the dismantling of the capitalist system which is causing the destruction?
Lets say for a second that world leaders and the global media aren’t a set of self congratulatory, lying psychopaths and that everything we hear about climate change and global warming is true. If all those worst case scenario assessments are accurate and we do have a handful of years to change course; the ONLY thing capable of saving mankind and the planet is some kind of environmental fascism. I’ll say that again, environmental fascism. All those people in Africa and Asia etc who are on the cusp of obtaining a reasonable standard of living via the capitalist system aren’t just going to volunteer to give that up, so if the assessments are accurate, it will need to be denied to them. I suspect most of the people agitating for action on climate change haven’t thought through this contradiction and would baulk at the idea of their policies being responsible for human suffering, especially their own. We’d see how long western principles held up when the lights were forcibly switched off.
There’s no way for humanity to be weened from the teat of capitalism without untold suffering and death, that’s the bottom line. In spite of all I’ve just written, I still think it’s going to be necessary.
Hmmm…. perhaps it’s more a case of us giving up what we’ve stolen (are stealing) and sharing it with the millions we’ve exploited for centuries, coupled to a radical transformation of our economies. The rich world still consumes the vast majority of the planet’s resources.
Check out the term ‘voluntary simplicity’. http://simplicitycollective.com/start-here/what-is-voluntary-simplicity-2
You just gave me an idea. How about people rotation? There is student exchange, house swapping and with it the wife, too. So why not swap entire countries? In order to get the required experience, hamlets would be first. A hamlet in Burkina Faso changes with a hamlet in Leeds for a year. Then a place like Timbuktu with Austin, Texas. And so forth. All by boat of course. I am sure it would be a win win situation – if not for different reasons than one would presume.
Like the folks from Timbuktu screaming “Get me the … out of here!” Or the people from Austin asking “Could I stay a little longer?”
As always just a thought – this time inspired by you. Thank you for that.
“All those people in Africa and Asia etc who are on the cusp of obtaining a reasonable standard of living via the capitalist system” – eh?
Northern, you only have to look at how the presstitutes and the Establishment handle any given issue/story to get a good idea of what’s really going on.
Extinction Rebellion are obviously totally manufactured rollocks, but sadly many useful idiots have been sucked into it.
Extinction Rebellion never address real issues; and perhaps the most pertinent of them is that capitalism is the complete opposite of environmentalism; ie, unless we completely change our free market way of doing things the world we live in will be completely trashed in not so many years time.
I won’t even mention Fukushima (and neither do Extinction Rebellion).
Environmentalism can be approached using capitalism, you know.
It is just that lefties used it as a bandwagon focus.
“Environmentalism can be approached using capitalism, you know.”
No, I don’t know. Explain how to me. No problems with a multi-part post if one succinct post isn’t enough.
One simple question:
If armageddon can be achieved in 12 years, how on earth did we survive the last 15,000 years?
The answer: Armageddon will not occur in 12 years, as natural self-balancing systems have multiple back up systems to prevent runaway change.
Runaway change does happen every time we get an Ice Age, of course.
I have twice now heard MSM commentators suggesting that democracy will prove unequal to the task of combating climate change. I forget who said this first it might have been someone on Channel 4. The second was Greg Dyke on Sky. Rightly or wrongly I view man-made global warming as a con trick and so question the purpose of such a hoax which is probably the greatest ever perpetrated.
Articles like this attempt to shed light but I suspect the truth is yet more fundamental: In essence the dismantling of democratic systems worldwide.
That is exactly what is being driven day in day out!
My first response to the global warming ‘movement’ was to recognise the signature of a scam and leave it.
It persists through the last 30 years or so despite persistent failures of its computer modelled forecasts.
But post truth politic has no concern for facts – because it can always generate alternative facts (sic).
The top down dictate is obvious (to me) excepting its targeting of sympathies cultivated and nurtured as the Environmental movement which had and has legitimacy in calling toxic corporate plunder to account – as well as in uncovering better ways to live with nature instead of enslaving, exploiting and laying waste – which of course extends to people as well as to the biosphere or environmental context of our life.
The corporate capture of governments and all institutions of influence isn’t corporations as such, but the opportunity of technologism and great wealth to effectively reconfigure regulatory structures of financial and corporate and public law in such a way as to mimic the parasite that takes over the host – and the thinking and behaviour of the host.
The nazi-like events of the targeting of youth, and cultivation of hysteria as the basis to bring down order – as if to inaugurate a better world – is deeply disturbing – while the global directives are trickling down in a way that wealth never does – into every kind of regulatory requirement.
The carbon guilting agenda is toxic debt repackaged in complex political instruments by which to seem salvatory to take on and make sacrifice – and demand sacrifice of others. Its agenda is the Internment of Things under 5G + as a global system of energy – and behaviour control. This is considered too big to fail by many who effectively own the world and those who align in its power structure.
How is it that love is so deceived as to give itself to a hateful agenda?
I receive periodic mail-outs from Engdahl – with the most recent being a chapter on on the background to the climate agenda – from ‘Myths’ Lies and Oil wars’. I bought the book and am half way through it.
The manner in which deceit has operated through the last century to now is a mixture of the active willingness to do so as a means of gaining wealth and power – and the easily manipulatable nature of human beings under fear, guilt and hate or division.
I recommend the book and I recommend becoming always vigilant to anything that triggers fear, guilt, hate division etc. This is where a false sense of self can be raised on a lie at expense of all that is true.
They often do take advantage of our noblest ideals in order to drum up support for evil acts. How many times, for example, have they told us that we’re about to bomb/starve some poor, defenseless little country for the sake of ‘human rights’ or ‘democracy’. See how it works?
Yes – it is often seen that people present the opposite of their deeper fears or convictions – which may or may not be allowed into conscious thought. Illusions can be needed to offset an otherwise overwhelming loss of self. The survival urge may be base and blind binary – but it is also a deep support through great struggle in adversity towards coming through with a basis for survival. The ‘mind’ of survival subjugates all else to its ‘goal’ – which is set in the eradication or undermining of assigned adverse or rival threat. Any means that serves is given support and if more birds can be killed with one stone then the development of great cunning becomes the way of nested levels or layers of deceit. It all comes naturally to an unnatural fixation in scarcity fear, competition and control – and generates scarcity by its attempt to get rid of it – within its own unnatural or unshared private frame of identity.
So as well as the triggering or targeting of appeal to sympathies with seemingly positive goals – there is another component that needs to be understood with regard to triggered and targeted antipathies. It is simply the nature of a subjection to hate and fear that seek anyone, anything, and anywhere, ELSE to put it OUT from self. Until we grow compassion for That we feel – else we either deny and suppress or erupt in harmful expression. These polarities are terror and rage – which can run hot and cold both.
Our narrative self justification or image adjustment runs at survival level as our learned coping for the world we have met and lived. A presentation to ourself and others thus becomes a masking over a hidden hateful and protected sense of survival in terms OF fear, conflict, pain of loss and powerlessness and humiliation or invalidation. This ‘hateful sense of self’ is triggered all the time but compartmentalised and managed for the most part to make life in such terms tolerable – and to grow or develop the personality of the mask AS our self.
This has some sense of self-protection in it – but only as a separate and competing sense of self over – or under other-selves or Them.
‘They’ – who may be more diverse than the word suggests – will each and together have their own ideas of ‘Them’. Generalised judgements are not fitting to a subject-specific Universe but become a short-circuiting of communication to shifting sense of blame and power.
I hold for individual choice and I also hold for collective responsibility. Madness in a family can ‘erupt’ symptomatically in the the one who is sensitive to the unspoken field communication and takes on the ‘stuff’ of unhealed conflicts and exclusions without ability at the time – to hold their own sense of self-boundary. Where do you find your true belonging? What is not yours and costs you awareness of self to take it on? It’s your life – with everyone. We learn by mistakes unless we give mistakes special power to define and deny us.
While science is catching up with epigenetic inheritances – but hardly applying their significance to old ideas of closed system managements and interventions – we are all both the consciousness of capacity to choose or accept – AND a product of our times and timing.
But what you accept has the power to frame or define how you will perceive and respond – while you accept it.
So I do not invest on personality worship – in positive or negative terms. It’s all stuff to me. In one big mad family constellation. What is my involvement, participation or responsibility to myself – truly – in this or any given situation? Can I ‘keep my head’ – connected to my heart – or must I re-enact Ancient Scripts that persist a sort of continuity, but at great cost, that winds up in a Prodigal Wasteland of isolation, poverty, powerlessness, and betrayed or false hopes?
‘Bottoming out’ is the phrase for addiction. Addiction to power or control can never rest in its power. If it kills the goose that lays its golden egg it will find it has NONE.
Perhaps that has to come to pass. Perhaps that is bottoming out?
We may see devices of deceit all about us – and this is part of growing vigilance against succumbing – but the illusion that we are one step ahead of the deceiver is part of its baited carrot. The call to observe and understand ‘human psychology’ (ourselves) is to identify and undo the blocks to relational communication in ourselves by sharing support for that in others. But any new discovery is marketised and weaponised to a significant extent – and so applied psychology is most well funded in corporately driven social engineering and PR.
Given that the Central Bank Fractional Reserve Banking System in the Western Banking empire is insolvent, bankrupt, and down for the count, it seems reasonable that the Central Banks & bankers consolidate with Climate Change Green Bonds lest they end up in receivership to be liquidated.
Everyone involved in Financial Intelligence has know for over a decade that time is quickly running out on the Western Banking System reset. The Green Bond Ponzi Scheme is a global attempt to attain ‘economies of scale’ off of the investment. Without ‘economies of scale’ the ever incompetent central bankers cannot reap outsized monetary gains and grow their portfolios exponentially in order to place world growth on the same growth trajectory as they has with Residential Real Estate Mortgage Backed Securities. And without more Asset Backed Securities in the Residential MBS sector & Commercial MBS sector there is no more betting space in the $1.9 quadrillion Dark Pool Derivatives Universe.
Without a grandiose growth plan that gives the wealth extracting class of finance predators room to exploit on the order of exponential growth we will all evidence implosion of the $1.9 quadrillion Dark Pool Derivatives Universe which will annihilate all the Commercial Banks worldwide that are currently jacked up on speculative investment that grew out of the Late Stage Ponzi Capitalism destruction post-Lehman Brothers debacle & Chapter 11 Bankruptcy.
In sum, whilst the Green New Deal is institutionally derived as the author so aptly stated in the article, it is the only workable plan of inaction that the Central Bankers of the world can take to stave off system wide implosion during this era of Secular Stagnation.
Engdahl is not a climate change skeptic. He is a climate change denialist just like Donald Trump.
Lou, that may well be so but it doesn’t make his observations any the less relevant. It’s like I said, two issues are conflated here and neither excludes the,other. and the reason is obvious: the fundamental issue is capitalism, climate change is one of the symptoms of capitalism’s insatiable appetite to consume, to destroy. what do they call it? Creative destruction.
What Engdahl believes is irrelevant. The only question is – are his facts accurate?
Can you rebut them?
Ultimately, it does not affect his argument, or should not.
However, OffGuardian MUST be aware that the disputes about the Greta PR drive and XR have been neatly shoved into a false dichotomy of (1) associating all critiques of them woth climate scepticism/ denial vs. (2) all conviction about authentic climate science corralled into uncritical support for these movements.
It is therefore a shame to those of us (including, I presume, Cory Morningstar) that critical articles such as this one by a someone with a thin grasp on environmental science gets boosted, and the chance to challenge that false dichotomy is missed.
That’s the way the cookie crumbles in ‘identity’ politics.
Just how much we do this of ourselves and how much is nudged or engineered by cunning stunts is open to debate.
Environmentalism is in many respects operating as a pseudo religion and I don’t say that as a smear or blame because a sense of significance and meaning in life is crucial to all that proceeds from it. But it is fundamentally locked into materialism in which symbols for Life are sacrificed to or given specialness beyond their ecological fit i the whole.
I grew up in a sense of a ‘green future’ but mine was convivial and consensual – and I increasing noted how anything that ‘mainstreams’ becomes the very thing it was initially set against.
I now see a seedbed of cultivating environmental guilt by design – as a component that is joined to apocalyptic fear – to work a proxy bot-net for the sustainability of the elitism at a new level of global energy control.
Subversion of the Good by masked agenda is nothing new – and any established sense of accepted authority or reality becomes the best disguise to operate through. Its the way the cookie crumbles in a conflict between private or hidden agenda and public Good – or as I prefer wholeness.
The search for new ways to save us from ourselves is also a search for patents, technologies, funding, career advancements, privilege. I am not cynical here – but I see it is the natural outcome of unnatural framing.
Who sets the frame directs the attention and intention. Underneath all such framing definitions, everyone has a Universal motivation. Self- interest is like cell interest. A living cell moves toward the nutrient and away from the toxin. But human conditioning of core beliefs and definitions can and does generate a self that is attracted to guilt/hate and abhors love’s innocence – by painting makeup on the corpse and demonising our original nature.
If I hadn’t lived it I would never have believed it.
I find ER aptly named.
Fear of loss of self-illusion is fear of extinction. And rebellion against Life as the non support or our illusions is the mind’s usurpation of a heart deemed treacherous and untrustworthy. Once the tenant farmers can agree that the Master is absent or doesn’t exist – they can kill the messengers of the Heart.
This is necessary for the sustainability of the lie.
Truth does not need sustaining in itself because it is the nature of our (true) Sustenance – but having learned to interject a layer of mind-control and persist in it – we now have to WANT truth more than we want a mind of a private sense of possession and control – which by the way is not its true or natural function and the attempt to manage life manually leads to exactly this sort of polarised negative in denialism that goes forth and multiplies insanity.
Bring out a true consensual way of living in respect for life and I am with you – but engineering and imposing a fake consensus as a mandatory dictate is not green wellies – but green jackboots.
The crash under whatever name is unfolding in slow motion – no need to predict it now. But its nature is a compression of potentials toward the seeding of a new period of expansion. The ‘temptation’ of fear is to limit growth as a means to retain control rather than refine and align in its qualities. Self illusion has a basic attribute that becomes more apparent in times of compression; it is unworkable – and no intensification of funding or allegiance will make it so. That may not stop the heavily invested from desperate attempts to persist in what doesn’t work by calling on ingenuity to redefine our self in greater limitation and controllability.
Growth can be cancerous – and feeding on inflations that dump toxic debt on others is as a cancer within the body politic. But growth is the very nature of Life in its due timings and cycles. There is a time to become the seed that dies (opens) to the new. This understanding can be taken out of its fearful framing as well as releasing the role of gods set over others as the pre-emptive sacrifice directed by the priesthood of the decadence of the Old Era.
“Denier” is always used when the religious is disputed.
Its simply a cunning stunt by which to seem righteous while doing the very thing you accuse.
Not so stunning once you see through it…
I am not ‘religious’ in any sense of organised affiliation, but I am aware that ‘religious’ here is being used as a pejorative term. It’s a put down mate!
So regardless what you choose to do or say – I feel to qualify the accusation of ‘denier’ as a pseudo religious pretension. But I note that to carry this off, you have to feel empowered and supported – and I feel this is what psuedo-religion does – the devil’s pact of a sense of power for a special self set over others.
While corruptions of religious impulse can suffer the sometimes subtle narcissism of self-specialness – I don’t feel the impulse itself is wrong. Love of truth is not specific to science – which is no less institutionally corruptible than was organised religion – a term which for me feels self-contradictory. Organised Life under any structural formation will kill it unless it has freedom to grow and learn and change. That can be seen as a self-destructing ‘evil’ – but the dream or vision of Life on Earth is not of perpetual war – nor machination under collective dictate.
Where is it? Our dream or vision of Life on Earth?
Hijacked by fear-religion?
A fear is being spread.A fear that we’re being marched into a frightfully drab socialist sameness,of…well,drabness,is an attempt to sell an overheated,under-thought notion. Who doesn’t like color and divertissement,and I cannot see this disappearing!
Then try Corey Morningstar instead: http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/01/17/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-for-consent-the-political-economy-of-the-non-profit-industrial-complex/
She’s a real, dues-paying environmentalist, not a “denialist”.
Agreed. I read it all. Unfortunately, I think it could have been better presented. She needs to find a good website and stick with it. And she needs to present things simply. Subjects she delves into are complicated enough already. (I will never grasp money stuff. The broad strokes I can handle. I have the same problem with James Corbett’s offerings. He’s great. But when he talks, in detail, about money matters, I sort of have to take his word for things. I wish I was better educated.) Wrong Kind Of Green and her own website are chaotic and offputting. Content-wise, Morningstar’s extensive research simply ends the debate.
Rumor has it that Trump put restraining walls around his low-lying golf courses several years ago! [ seven?].So it seems that his denial is for public consumption only!
Louis – thank you for the link. I bough the book as a result of that free chapter (in your link) – and a very informative read it is too.
As for Trump’s utility for smearing ‘populism’ – note that Extinction Rebellion is not assigned the term – its a much overused tactic – and denying is something you clearly know about because you do it under the guise of a communication. Consensus denial is a powerful lever to those who wield it – but all actions have consequences.
Sometimes I chance things in MSM that are almost revealing truths that cannot be publicly said – but in a frame of plausible deniability.
Most fake news is recognisable a legal document and an advert in one. Selling its payload under a plausible legal deniability.
Engdahl documents recorded facts. He does not – in his book – go into whether or not CO2 is or is not a significant factor or even a significant human percentage of a factor in how our global weather systems and cycles operates. Nor does he go into whether the Climate is changing – beyond or outside recorded cyclic variability, nor does he attack the persons of those who engage in underhand and backstage manipulations for their own hidden agenda.
But he does disclose an ongoing trail of oil, energy and resource control as the pivotal influence in perhaps all of the wars and conflicts of the last century into this.
You can still believe that The Rockefeller and other financial and corporate cartel interests have had a change of heart after causing such a mess. That is your freedom. But even so, notice who is to pay for or be sacrificed to the outsourcing of their consequence. People.
Never mind – humans are a cancer on the Planet and we need a disease like the Duke of Edinburgh to incarnate as a disease that wipes us out.
Anyone of a ‘green’ sympathy needs to re-evaluate what exactly they are supporting and why. For a genuine environmentalism has been completely subverted and redirected as a weapon set against the Greening of the Earth.
Talk about putting the cat amongst the pigeons! On the one hand, Engdahl is known as a climate change skeptic but on the other, he (along with others) has correctly identified the ‘green capitalist’ credentials of Extinction/Rebellion (XR) et al. Is it a question of making hay whilst the sun continues to shine?
I note also, as a slight aside, that in this essay, Engdahl has modified his views somewhat, in that he no longer says that there’s no such thing as climate change:
“Whatever one may believe about the dangers of CO2 and risks of global warming creating a global catastrophe of 1.5 to 2 degree Celsius average temperature rise in the next roughly 12 years, it is worth noting who is promoting the current flood of propaganda and climate activism.”
It’s a real dilemma, for us lefties anyway, for on the one hand, it’s obvious that big capital is looking to make mucho moola from the ‘movement’ whilst they can but on the other, it’s pretty obvious to all but the blind, that the climate is unstable due to human (capitalist) actions around the planet.
And then there’s ‘net zero carbon’ and carbon sequestration, the two keystones of Greta/XR’s position. Firstly, even if we achieve zero carbon (net or otherwise, which is really carbon trading, or ‘pass the carbon to the left hand side’) and carbon sequestration, which based on technology that doesn’t actually exist in any meaningful sense. But neither address the fundamental issues of capitalist economics, of chowing resources and people, for as long as they can without a care for the future.
So how does ‘System Change – Not Climate Change’ relate to the above? Neither Greta or XR actually address this in concrete terms. In fact, they go out of their way NOT to address the mechanics of ‘System Change’. My own feeling is that embedded, as it were in the slogan is ‘Green Capitalism’. Is there such a thing? Is it possible? All the studies and analysis tell us NO! (See Climate & Capitalism for more, much more on this, the best source of analysis on the subject). I think this quote from C&C illustrates the relationship between the environment and capitalism:
In a way, it’s like trying to square the circle. Thus we have the bizarre appearence of some big capitalists decrying Greta and some supporting her and without knowing their respective positions on climate change, I hazzard a guess that it’s split between the deniers and the acceptors, with both camps agreeing that only capitalism can address the crisis.
Thus, for me, it’s quite obvious, as it always has been, that the real cause is capitalism, that the best chance we have of halting or even reversing the process is by getting rid of capitalism.
It’s interesting that when Roger Hallam, one of the founders of XR, when challenged on BBC’s ‘Hard Talk’ programme, the following exchange took place:
Except of course, it won’t just be capitalism that’s brought down and surely that’s the entire point! I think Hallam’s comment highlights the fundamental contradiction at the heart of Thunberg/XR.
Both Thunberg and XR fill a vacuum created by the failure of the (Western) Left to rise to the occasion. In fact, it’s the failure of the Western Left to rise to confront capitalism, period! After all, we have environmental groups by the dozen, yet all have signally failed to do much of anything really, except create jobs for the boys (and girls) in the endless array of NGOs that appear to exist simply to justify their own existence. Virtually all environmental groups I’m aware of, here in the UK, have never challenged the economic system that’s the cause of our planetary disaster.
So where to from here? What does Thunberg/XR do when it’s clear that appealing to some (non-existent) morality doesn’t do the trick?
My fear is that Greta’s ‘theatrics’ is a gigantic diversion from the fundamental issues. Morality won’t save the planet, neither will guilt or the impassioned pleas of a 16-year old, aside from creating a warm, fuzzy feeling about a passionate youngster.
To me, it feels like emotional blackmail is being used but when has the capitalist class ever been moved by appeals to morality (unless it’s their own, twisted version like ‘humanitarian intervention’)?
I’m deeply skeptical of the XR movement. Elsewhere I’ve described it as desperation disguised as a celebration. It just seems to easy.
They are collectively in a state of panic. They went past ‘desperation’ when the New York Federal Reserve increased their balance sheet to a point of no return.
Thank you for that link, it sounds very interesting.
A while ago I read Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations by David Montgomery. Its central thesis should be obvious from the title: treat your soil recklessly, and your civilization shall be short lived. The book looks at civilizations over the course of the last three millennia or so and is able to show strong correlations between declines in soil fertility and the onset of collapse. It should be obvious, but bears repeating because it is so overlooked in the mass media and in politics. I’m unsure how aware XR and Thunberg are of this sort of thing.
A choice quote from the book:
So yes, whatever we think, expert or layman, about climate change, there are plenty of other reasons to look seriously at capitalism itself, an ‘economic’ system that has reckless exploitation right at its core.
Happily, the new science of permaculture has developed all sorts of proven techniques for restoring soil fertility and sustaining it, but it is not compatible with capitalism, so goes largely ignored.
Precisely! And what goes for the soil, goes for everything else that capitalism consumes! It’s take, take, take, everything until there’s nothing left.
I’m as intrigued as everyone to see what XR go public with next week (from the 7th). Following on from another species extinction report published tomorrow on ‘Extinction Britain’.
I do know that many I’ve met privately know capitalism is the problem. And Hallam was right: capitalism is collapsing into the financial derivatives blackhole – starting in the repo markets two weeks ago. Coming out with the public demand to end capitalism is probably not smart in a major institutionalised capitalist country right now.
Consultation has been centred around ‘Deep Adaptation’ – which includes appropriate finance; appropriate technology; climate justice; energy justice; and agricultural (food and biodiversity) justice. Tomorrows report will showthat it is agriculture – ahead of climate change – that is responsible for species extinction. Our favourite animal – the hedgehog – down 95%! I used to see them every night. I have only seen 1 in the last 18 months. Many people have never seen a hedgehog! At this rate: they never will.
And we import 40-60% of our food by variety and season. Imagine if – post-globalism – we have to become quasi-self-sufficient in food and energy? Suffice to say, there is no long-term plan to become resilient and local – which makes sense under any economic system. We are still totally reliant of capitalist eternalism even when that eternalism looks to be very short term indeed. The sensationalist – as it was – Yellowhammer documents – showed how vulnerable we are. Permaculture, agroecology, and livestock managed pasture can feed us organically and more than adequately – using no more land than industrial farming (adjusted up to accommodate increased demand). But hat cannot be coupled with land demands for bio-energy and amenity …or biochar based carbon drawdown schemes.
Something has to give: and that starts with our insane level of expectation on which capitalism is founded. The future will be simpler and less ecologically demanding: which entails the end of capitalist growth. The paradox is that capitalist growth ended over a decade ago. We are entering another period of deep contraction and correction. The first XR demand is primary: tell the truth. If it won’t be told: we have to find it out for ourselves. Many of us already know. If we know the truth: we can make an informed assessment. An assessment in which profit over humanity can play no part.
So when pray?
I’ve already indicated: 40 years ago …if it were up to me. But it is not up to me.
Very broadly: there are two types of people. The minoritarian – who know that there can be no infinite growth in a finite system – probably before they ever read it as a statement. And the majoritarian – who take alternative facts and construct narrative parallel realisms – that have no index or truth-value in the real world system. Such constructing of parallel idealistic and ideological realisms is purely political. Which will always stand counterfactually opposed to reality.
So there will never be a right time. Those who know, already know. Those who think they know – who are ‘in charge’ by dint on numbers – will have to come to their own conclusions. Facts do not matter: and never will. Narrative matters. The deep structure of the narrative is what really matters – but that is a long-term solution.
The short term solution – for me – is econometric. If people choose to believe their capitalised version of the narrative – for that is what it is – will go on expanding eternally …then how do we explain the fact that it is collapsing now. An eternal frictionless perpetual motion engine of growth that collapses is a fiction. Maybe people will see that in time. I could have told anyone the same 40 years ago. It is just as unbelievable to most now as it was then. Telling people makes no difference. We construct our own reality and perceive what we need to perceive to make that reality ‘real’. The psychology and neuropsychology of this is crystal clear.
We believe what we want to believe: until we can no longer believe it. This is called ‘surprise’. When our internal predictive generative models of eternal growth break down – there are going to be an enormous amount of surprised people who have been investing in fantasy all their lives. Whoever has the more credible narrative at that unpredictable juncture stands the better chance of providing a humanist explanation and altruistic set of responses. To compete with the various fascisms that will also arise in the circumstances of narrative failure and economic and ecological collapse.
In other work: Engdahl, Wolin, and others – notably Deleuze and Guattari – have shown that the political imaginary is itself proto-fascistic. When the mainstream political movements cannot adequately explicate the current ecomometric landscape …this leaves the way open for charismatic alternative fact peddling demagogues to appeal emotively to those pre-disposed to fantasy. Which is either historical fascism or totalitarian democracy.
People cannot be told. They would have listened by now if they wanted. They will choose to believe those who come closest to fulfilling their fantasy narrative. In the absence odf a counter-hegemonic narrative: fascism of some sort is the only outcome we have presently constructed for ourselves. The anti-fascist humanist and truly ecological narrative has yet to emerge. Whether it will make any difference or not is a speculative point. With no counter-narrative of the Real: the future is assuredly fascisised. You can try telling people that if you want. I wish you more success than I have had these past 40 years.
Apologies, Barovsky. I didn’t see your comments here before making my own.
You are right on the money with what you say.
No problemo RobG and thanks. I might add that I was involved so-to-speak with XR from last October via conversations and exchanges of ideas. Like many, I had high hopes until I started digging.
People are deceived easily, because they can easily be deceived.
Because they are already running under self-deceit. Hence they can say ‘people are deceived easily’ – as if talking about someone else!
No offence of blame intended – but I see deceit as part of the nature of the mind by which we think we think alone.
I would love to respond to that, but it would certainly end up being too voluminous. There are however a few voices that help in the detection and transcending of such deception. Krishnamurti is one of these voices. A thorough study of his works will open up a path to understand why a lot of people can be easily deceived and some not so much. My remark was pertaining those who are easily deceived and thus invite to be deceived.
That most of them never looked for, or found an answer to the question “What am I?” and “Who am I?” is part of this equation. Having found the answers to these questions will also shed light on the truth, that everything being one, is not necessarily the view of a large part of mankind.
The opening of the capacity to watch our own thought and its emotional result is the awakening from its tyranny.
Indeed and well met.
I found most interesting the sessions with Krishnamurti, where he introduced the topic of ‘thinking together’ and how difficult it was/is to grasp what he was talking about.
Truth is understood from with truth.
David Bohm and Krishnamurti collaborated in this work.
Bohm (Wholeness and the Implicate Order) understood that all the kings horses and all the kings men can never put Humpty together again.
Real relationship is of course not what we have learned and been trained to engage in – and its substitute is a protected separation that needs maintain the separation – not least in the attempt to regain unity or regain freedom or resolve The Problem, or eradicate the Evil.
We do experience synchrony or ‘one-mindedness’ as thoughtless – but not thought rejecting – alignment in unified purpose. That the ‘mind’ interjects immediately after to restate what happened in its own terms is our willingness to listen there!
Unified purpose – rises whole from a transparency to being. This comes naturally in our joy.
Private or unshared agenda always contains a dissonant element because we are in a sense putting reality on hold to have a bit on the side. This capacity can serve if we use it to model possibilities before committing to action, but if we fall in love with our model – we generate a self-specialness and protect it against interference – at least in its time of engagement.
None of this is written with the idea of blame – but the experience of dissonance of being can be and generally is associated with negative consequence and polarisation – until the desire for wholeness releases the thought of a private struggle as fundamentally meaningful or worthy of engaging. Aligning in integrity may seem a struggle because it runs counter to our ‘training’. And struggle or conflict will come up as if a struggle between conflicting purposes or minds – but really it is simply a matter of acceptances or choice as to whether to try to run a mind of conflict or to attune to a unifying or reintegrative movement of being – which is not other than the restoring of a wholeness that we discard in search of problem-defined reinforcements.
Lovers and not merely sexual partners – but those who love their work or shared endeavour often experience synchronicity that is not contrived or manufactured – and can indeed be recognised as one mind in many – and at the same time illuminating the uniqueness of each.
That there is a way to uncover a common qualities of joy in being is not in the direction of getting them in symbol and substitution by coercion and deceit, but that doesn’t mean we cant be forceful in our communication where called for. The key as I see it is a waking commitment to being ourself – in the realisation that this is what the mind and world would trigger the inhibition and masking of – such as to THINK we are being ourself when we are in fact in strategy of survival set in a world that we judge and are judged by .
The latter is exemplified is the climate guilted world saving atonement identity – that escapes its fears by scapegoatism. In return the NWO – which judges humanity a cancer or virus to be eradicated insofar as it has no use for its own gratifications – gets a self-destructive proxy through which to undermine what remains of a sovereign freedom – that I associate with alignment in true will and not the mad king (or usurping fear) who sets appearances over a fear of nakedness and illegitimacy – and fights to keep them instead of restoring a true inherence.
Truth is understood from withIN truth.
Anything else is ‘about’ – as a mind of structure in comparisons.
That is a set or cast of mind in image and concept.
Defining truth is the imagination of stepping out of being in order to contain or frame the ‘open flow or movement within being’.
No one therefore has any proprietary patents of truth – but on behalf of all, everyone has full rights to being themself.
Aligning true is not sacrifice of anything but illusions – which we may resist if we are attached and invested in them – and so when I hear a call to sacrifice I hear the worship of false idols by which to forfend disaster or gain favour. It isn’t the Call to joy – but the call to war. I reversed the usual sense of power there in giving war a little ‘c’ – even though it may SHOUT – while joy – if anything – rings or shines quietly.
I am just now listening to Alan Watts. The key to understand Life is the ‘I’ and the key to understand the ‘I’ is Life. The Ego however tends to interfere into the process due to the fear of dissolution. Even though dissolution is becoming part of something else, something larger than the Ego.
It is symptomatic and telling that in all this climate hysteria one aspect is always missing: the bigger picture. The fact that humanity will come and go. But as the individual has troubles with dying at young age and can’t have death come soon enough at old age, humanity follows the same logic. With young age, it is frightened of an existence cut short. At the end of its time it will welcome the end of its cycle.
Humanity is a teenager. It is clear that it does not want to let go and hang on, although it is already suffering from its early mindlessness that is a privilege of youth. Keeping with this analogy, humanity is entering puberty and there is a chance that it will be able to learn what its emotions actually mean and where they come from.
Alan Watts was the first to articulate for me what I until then had no structure of thought – or cultural preparedness – to begin to integrate. Relational intimacy came first – as the context of a critical awareness of ‘its inhibition or ‘interference’. True feeling is of an intimate recognition while emotional states are mental substitutions. That is – the feeling awareness is our native being – but emotional reactivity is a masking substitution.
I feel the opportunity for humanity is the revealing and undoing of deceit – which is NOT dependent on anything but self-honesty of transparency to our being – in place of the defence complex that demands payment in death and taxes (death in life, as burden of sacrifice under a fundamental misidentification).
However, fear of death (impermanence or change) presenting in act as fear of life, works our fundamental self-illusion. Trying to heal or fix the fear where it is NOT – will bring all the fears and issues of the problem into the pseudo ‘answer’ or panacea. Thus demonising life by outsourcing our toxic debts to anything that can serve as our cover story.
Selling ‘toxic debt’ as answer to a made up and untrue story of impending scarcity, threat or death of loss of power and possession, is how deceit works the mind of a naive gullibility in giving power and trust to phishing attacks – that present and use the FORMS of science, or journalism, or authority to manipulate habitual or reactive acceptance, obedience or deference. This then becomes a social meme – or belief given currency of exchange as talking point of ‘new’ important and authoritative information – that might be dismissed from worthiness of reaction except that it is persistently applied as the ‘big lie’ of a narrative dictate posing as a scientific outcome and consensus. The false idea gains traction by applied and induced incentives of carrot and a stick – in terms of socially rewarded or redeemed identity vs social exclusion, invalidation, vilification and denial.
The denial is the false idea – and its acceptance as truth of overriding imminent danger overrides all other cognitive functions and makes anyone NOT supporting it – a hateful ‘denier’ for they are painted as siding with the ‘evil’ that is flagged as the cause for the threat and as the intent to destroy Life on Earth! (By not aligning in support of the plan to ‘save it’).
None of this makes any sense excepting that in believing the lie – all sense has been reframed as survival at all costs.
Then comes the costs – which are like all PR – hidden behind the sales pitch.
The false defence DOES exactly what it presents to defend or protect against. This pattern is the ‘ego’. It does fear and denial of life as a protection racket of a limited and limiting hangout – a temporary security whose costs ratchet up while it delvers into false dependency of powerlessness and hateful addiction. Modern societal protection for the protection racket is the corporate capture of marketising and weaponising everything – including climate.
The prize is not the oil or the energy and its revenue of addicted dependency – but the possession of the means of control of energy supply. Oil scarcity has been contrived and maintained by war and deceit from the outset by those who ‘cornered the market. The ‘alternatives’ are used to keep or grow the status quo of an effectively farmed and enslaved humanity. Genuine rivals are not allowed.
Any number and complex of tactics can be and are used to keep the racket going which believes itself too big to fail because it does supply or control the supply of necessary resource for living. That it is a built in systemic failure is considered the human condition, the way the world works and nothing anyone can do about it. These beliefs are simply part of the systemic failure. False thinking and belief do not require anything be ‘done’ about them so much as recognition that they do not have any right place or belonging or meaning – and so they are left unused by alignment in what does resonate true. Giving disregard to propaganda’s frame is the ability to see its mechanism and trace back to its protected fear – so as to answer the problem where it is instead of generating a world of enemy, threat and war to keep it hidden.
The Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change is not a scientific body: it is a political organisation. Its reports are not disinterested science, but political instructions to “policy makers”, presented as though they were science. Whenever science is mixed up with politics, the result is pseudoscience. Climate Change alarmism is pseudoscience on steroids.
“There is no time!!” creates great opportunities to win and lose money because of the hurry. While the European(!) EASAC scientists warned in Feb. 2019 that burning biomass instead of coal in power plants is resulting in more CO2, a nation like the Netherlands is today still wasting 11 billion Euro in subsidies on this hare brained scheme: https://easac.eu/fileadmin/PDF_s/reports_statements/Negative_Carbon/EASAC_Commentary_Forest_Bioenergy_Feb_2019_FINAL.pdf
A few others were at the receiving end.
Greta, who is extremely intelligent and perceptive, in her own words:
2 February ·
Recently I’ve seen many rumors circulating about me and enormous amounts of hate. This is no surprise to me. I know that since most people are not aware of the full meaning of the climate crisis (which is understandable since it has never been treated as a crisis) a school strike for the climate would seem very strange to people in general.
So let me make some things clear about my school strike.
In may 2018 I was one of the winners in a writing competition about the environment held by Svenska Dagbladet, a Swedish newspaper. I got my article published and some people contacted me, among others was Bo Thorén from Fossil Free Dalsland. He had some kind of group with people, especially youth, who wanted to do something about the climate crisis.
I had a few phone meetings with other activists. The purpose was to come up with ideas of new projects that would bring attention to the climate crisis. Bo had a few ideas of things we could do. Everything from marches to a loose idea of some kind of a school strike (that school children would do something on the schoolyards or in the classrooms). That idea was inspired by the Parkland Students, who had refused to go to school after the school shootings.
I liked the idea of a school strike. So I developed that idea and tried to get the other young people to join me, but no one was really interested. They thought that a Swedish version of the Zero Hour march was going to have a bigger impact. So I went on planning the school strike all by myself and after that I didn’t participate in any more meetings.
When I told my parents about my plans they weren’t very fond of it. They did not support the idea of school striking and they said that if I were to do this I would have to do it completely by myself and with no support from them.
On the 20 of august I sat down outside the Swedish Parliament. I handed out fliers with a long list of facts about the climate crisis and explanations on why I was striking. The first thing I did was to post on Twitter and Instagram what I was doing and it soon went viral. Then journalists and newspapers started to come. A Swedish entrepreneur and business man active in the climate movement, Ingmar Rentzhog, was among the first to arrive. He spoke with me and took pictures that he posted on Facebook. That was the first time I had ever met or spoken with him. I had not communicated or encountered with him ever before.
Many people love to spread rumors saying that I have people ”behind me” or that I’m being ”paid” or ”used” to do what I’m doing. But there is no one ”behind” me except for myself. My parents were as far from climate activists as possible before I made them aware of the situation.
I am not part of any organization. I sometimes support and cooperate with several NGOs that work with the climate and environment. But I am absolutely independent and I only represent myself. And I do what I do completely for free, I have not received any money or any promise of future payments in any form at all. And nor has anyone linked to me or my family done so.
And of course it will stay this way. I have not met one single climate activist who is fighting for the climate for money. That idea is completely absurd.
Furthermore I only travel with permission from my school and my parents pay for tickets and accommodations.
My family has written a book together about our family and how me and my sister Beata have influenced my parents way of thinking and seeing the world, especially when it comes to the climate. And about our diagnoses.
That book was due to be released in May. But since there was a major disagreement with the book company, we ended up changing to a new publisher and so the book was released in august instead.
Before the book was released my parents made it clear that their possible profits from the book ”Scener ur hjärtat” will be going to 8 different charities working with environment, children with diagnoses and animal rights.
And yes, I write my own speeches. But since I know that what I say is going to reach many, many people I often ask for input. I also have a few scientists that I frequently ask for help on how to express certain complicated matters. I want everything to be absolutely correct so that I don’t spread incorrect facts, or things that can be misunderstood.
Some people mock me for my diagnosis. But Asperger is not a disease, it’s a gift. People also say that since I have Asperger I couldn’t possibly have put myself in this position. But that’s exactly why I did this. Because if I would have been ”normal” and social I would have organized myself in an organisation, or started an organisation by myself. But since I am not that good at socializing I did this instead. I was so frustrated that nothing was being done about the climate crisis and I felt like I had to do something, anything. And sometimes NOT doing things – like just sitting down outside the parliament – speaks much louder than doing things. Just like a whisper sometimes is louder than shouting.
Also there is one complaint that I ”sound and write like an adult”. And to that I can only say; don’t you think that a 16-year old can speak for herself? There’s also some people who say that I oversimplify things. For example when I say that “the climate crisis is a black and white issue”, ”we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases” and ”I want you to panic”. But that I only say because it’s true. Yes, the climate crisis is the most complex issue that we have ever faced and it’s going to take everything from our part to ”stop it”. But the solution is black and white; we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases.
Because either we limit the warming to 1,5 degrees C over pre industrial levels, or we don’t. Either we reach a tipping point where we start a chain reaction with events way beyond human control, or we don’t. Either we go on as a civilization, or we don’t. There are no gray areas when it comes to survival.
And when I say that I want you to panic I mean that we need to treat the crisis as a crisis. When your house is on fire you don’t sit down and talk about how nice you can rebuild it once you put out the fire. If your house is on fire you run outside and make sure that everyone is out while you call the fire department. That requires some level of panic.
There is one other argument that I can’t do anything about. And that is the fact that I’m ”just a child and we shouldn’t be listening to children.” But that is easily fixed – just start to listen to the rock solid science instead. Because if everyone listened to the scientists and the facts that I constantly refer to – then no one would have to listen to me or any of the other hundreds of thousands of school children on strike for the climate across the world. Then we could all go back to school.
I am just a messenger, and yet I get all this hate. I am not saying anything new, I am just saying what scientists have repeatedly said for decades. And I agree with you, I’m too young to do this. We children shouldn’t have to do this. But since almost no one is doing anything, and our very future is at risk, we feel like we have to continue.
And if you have any other concern or doubt about me, then you can listen to my TED talk ( https://www.ted.com/talks/greta_thunberg_the_disarming_case_to_act_right_now_on_climate ), in which I talk about how my interest for the climate and environment began.
And thank you everyone for you kind support! It brings me hope.
Ps I was briefly a youth advisor for the board of the non profit foundation “We don’t have time”. It turns out they used my name as part of another branch of their organisation that is a start up business. They have admitted clearly that they did so without the knowledge of me or my family. I no longer have any connection to “We don’t have time”. Nor has anyone in my family. They have deeply apologised and I have accepted their apology.
Do you believe a messenger teenager can get to address COP24, Davos, the European parliament, US Congress and the UN single handed? I have a bridge to sell you.
She got to address these by invitation, not by some obscure conspiracy.
And how many 15-or-16 year-olds get invited to address Davos or the UN? Not too many. That’s another clue that the Greta Phenom is hardly a ‘grass roots’ affair.
Suppose a group of manipulated mouthy brats decided to play wag from school and make a nuisance of themselves to demand an immediate end to immigration or an immediate Brexit. It would be straight down the headmaster’s study for six of the best.
Politics is a blood sport, Greta. You placed yourself in the red meat category for Journalists worldwide. If you confront worldwide media as red hamburger meat you will be raked over the coals on the political Barbeque until you are well done, or burned.
Always remember that when it comes to global media they are like McDonalds and advertise how many burgers they have sold.
You are merely yet one more nothingburger that got burned over the coals of journalism worldwide. In brief, suck it up, Buttercup.
P.S. Adults have been attempting to educate youth for millennia, my dear. Children are not adults, Greta. When you become an adult you will realize that children are not legislators, or government bureaucrats with tenured jobs.
Smoke more marijuana, Greta, but don’t bogart that joint.
Why do the oil companies fund both global warming scientists and scientists who say it’s overblown?
They hedge their bets: flip the coin and tail they win, head they win.
They do the same with Democrats and Republicans, Tory and Labour etc.
And banksters fund both sides of wars.
Banksters fund both sides so that they hedge their bets on getting shot, hung, or suicided by one side or the other. Banksters think financial returns instead of winning wars. Banksters make the wars to distract populations when they want to rob banks.
Oil companies know enough to hire ‘left’ & ‘right’ wing so-called ‘scientists’. It’s how you win NOT how you play the game, Hope.
To set, frame and direct the narrative. The expansion of networks of influence that extended from Rockefeller et al effectively run the world – beneath appearances of life on the surface. Oil/energy is a primary choke point – along with money supply. Choking back on population as well as industrialisation. Be aware that insider deals enable the selling out of one’s apparent allegiances. Energy control worldwide is part of the goal.
So, all the above is “Bad?”
Only if the threat of climate change is not real.
Climate is LONG range weather over large or global areas.
Our experience is experience is weather – unless we shift to a different climate – in which we can experience weather in that framework – ie; Arctic, Tropical, Temperate, Desert, Ocean, Mountain etc.
Changing weather patterns – (including extreme events linked to climate alarmism as political agenda) – is periodic and documented. (Tony Heller is clear on setting the record straight about such records).
Larger changes such as ice ages and warm periods between are considered as global climate and are also periodic. So with that out of the way – don’t forget that both weather and climate along with our whole experience of existence is CHANGE.
The nature of which is a kind of ordered chaos or chaotic order – from the perspective of the mind of the wish to predict and control.
Whether that which always changes is real? – is another question. Perhaps its cause is not IN the realm of change that we experience through the body mind structure – but where exactly IS our experience? Are we IN the model by which we engage in relational existence? Or is that an invested and conditioned identity?
Change as threat is relative to our invested inability to accept, adapt and flow with it.
One man’s threat is another’s opportunity. In political terms the purveying of threat and fear is serving an opportunism of manipulative agenda – running under whatever kind of trojan you are most likely to be in sympathy with – and more importantly – against.
If there was a real desire to adapt to circumstance of challenge and compression, we would undertake a qualitative shift instead of aligning under a quantitative contraction that of course eases the pressure on the ‘controllers’ who are invested in identities of possession and control – as are most others on the earth but not in such an addictive, driven, and exclusive way.
Your language is very loose.
The threat is relative to your accepted identity – regardless what it seems to be.
If your accepted and active identity is the result of a phishing ruse – then you are being fooled while thinking others are fools.
Deceits always seek attention in ways that invoke reactions that then frame the mind by its own reaction – so for example, people think its about climate as revealed by science, but in the context of cultivated and outsourced environmental guilt.
You mean obfuscation.
But you merely assert a negative dismissal without any basis for doing so.
This is the same as climate alarmism – where natural change is weaponised as a fear agenda by which to target environmental and deeper existential guilt as human self hate and denial for global human sacrifice.
There is a choice – but guilt and fear obfuscate the true choice by framing in a conflicted identity that cant let anything new in – because fear of change is engaged in stamping on the face of the future.
Hence a failure of ability to think is running as a strategy of defence – or in my terms as a protection racket.
If by all the above is bad – you were talking of Engdahl’s article – it is within a much bigger history of dominion, plunder and deceit that you are clearly unaware of.
What we are experiencing and what climatologists are measuring and finally understanding with analytical accuracy is not “natural change” but rather, clearly human-caused destruction of a wide range of natural stabilizing phenomena. So yes, you are obfuscating the truth.
I don’t obfuscate – I refute. The zealot has no capacity to listen or hear anything but their ‘truth’ and assert it as The truth – and a jealous and vengeful god at that.
I’m on board with human destructive intent and actions – particularly with regard to pervasive toxicities, biocides, pharmaceutical poisons, and adulterates junk foods – the list can go on and on.
But the corporate evasion of the true environmental concern is the same tactic as the Banksters use – as extremely clever deceits running through insider networks of grossly undue or overwhelming influence.
I am experience the weather – but also in some measure the toxic dump of a corrupted and corrupting false thinking that works deceit. THAT I experience as a fast declining consciousness to groupthink. Except it isn’t a group process of arriving at thought but being TOLD what to think.
The institutions and framing of science is no less corrupted or captured than any other sphere of human endeavour. The ‘Big Lie’ is the way society is being run – and has been run for some time – on a new level because of technologism serving monopolistic cartels.
There is no real understanding of how the Earth’s climate operates.
But there is every understanding of how to present such appearances.
Science can and does back completely false hypothesis – not only as fact – but as the basis for multi-billion dollar revenues. Truth does not support your career when science is masked in and wielded as global politics.
Over the course of the last 30 years none of the dire warnings have been right – though every kind of propaganda is used to keep the warnings ‘hot’ and weave them with any and every emotional reinforcement for environmentally guilting humans to the point they regard themselves a cancer on the planet.
The false flag assigns the evil and its consequence away from the perpetrator or onto the chosen target. CO2 is life supporting. But particulate pollutions and toxic effluents, biocides and etc? – yes lets grow solidarity in saying no.
But you are too busy now ‘saving the world’. For computer models are far more scientific than actual degradations, disease and dysfunction – that actively undermine Life on earth.
I don’t buy the propaganda and I recognise its tactic AS propaganda or the weaponisation of thought and speech. Emotional manipulation – backed by global consortium of long range intent to control energy on a global scale – and not for humanitarian motives. ALL the PR goes into making the sale or getting you to sign off. Then you an asset or a discard.
Healthy skepticism is good, but your many assumptions about science are just wrong. The scientific method does not adhere to political ideology. Here’s a good source that presents a mountain of evidence from peer-reviewed journals: https://guymcpherson.com/climate-chaos/climate-change-summary-and-update/
I think you are reading by comments about captured or corrupted science as if I am taking of Science.
I am all for a true and just transparency and accountability.
You will not find that more than lip service in
Skepticism – which is by definition open to considering that it may be wrong by willingness to question, challenge and uncover more evidence or information, is now being used as a mask for cynicism – which is hate for life – and loves to project the belief in no recovery as a superior intellectual position of asserted fact. Conviction under hate and guilt works a negatively polarised gullibility to align in anything that supports its sense of control – not command – of life. This is the ‘outsourcing’ or diversion and false flagging of unowned hate so as to either dump it on others – or justify active attack as righteous.
In a fearful world that hates its own predicament as its life, most of this is socially invisible or ‘normalised’.
Here is a simple way to move mountains:
Search peer review crisis of science or click
Scan the sources of the information – as credible voices within the scientific community and read some of them.
Like with bankers toxic debt – a LOT of the scientific literature is not only worthless – but being used as a false basis that has real cost to life and to the credibility and reputation of science as being carried on in the socio-political context of our times. Human fallibility and character flaws are not new. The ‘scientific approach’ to nurturing and manipulating the human mind is a new development in terms of its extension via technological advantage as proprietary control. (Social engineering, mind control, post truth politic).
The denier accuses themself in their own assertions. This is so apparent in the ‘post truth fake newspeak – except to those who have taken the bait of a self-exceptionalism and think to righteously accuse and eradicate their own sins in the ‘other’.
False reality is by definition a model or construct or imaged story or narrative – acted from as true and used as a lens of interpretation for its own defence.
Science – to be science – must be willing to seek out and find all that does NOT support it reality modelling – so as not to invest faith of committed action and endeavour falsely and to a false outcome. Garbage in; garbage out.
Political manipulation is not interested in inconvenient truths – but invests in all ideas or distortions of ideas that can generate profit and power.
There is a distortion field here – and you have to decide for yourself where you will give authority and thus go to for protection, support and guidance.
The corruption is in the foundations – regardless which branch of human expression and development we consider. The dead branch will be ‘cut off’ (it cuts itself off by definition but may be slow to catch up with its predicament because of invested attachments). This is a necessary compression back into our roots – though we may kick and scream as if truth should conform to or support our illusions. In the markets it is called a reset – (though not allowed to happen) – but in the currency of thought it is a recognition that what is not true, never was, although we lived the fruits of believing it – and have thus learned and grown even in uncovering negative outcomes that are no less valid as feedback to our initial parameters.
Science without truth is relative to who funds and controls it.
Post truth science is the ability to disregard the evidence by endless specialisations of a fragmentation that effectively protects the Model against revision – when that Model has errors and omissions that everything since has been built upon.
Let a love of truth release dogmatic ‘certainty’ and uncover the innocent curiosity of the child in wonder. ‘You have not, because you ask not’. Or rather, y/our ‘questions’ are really assertions framed in the form of questions that only seek for confirmation of consensus in ignorance.
Politically organising principles and structures operate within all institutional bodies relative to their ‘survival’. Saving our ‘self’ is the underlying basis for presenting a false image and witness. But is it our self or our fear of change as threat of pain of loss
If your funding depends on fitting within the ‘paradigm’ of carbon guilted power transfer – do you give truth a back seat?
Do you keep your head down? Or do you see that as a mass movement it is ‘the future’ and actively align in it for the promotion and support of your profit within its frame?
I don’t expect or call people to give up their career-ability to support their family, their employability in their field, or their social inclusion and acceptability – until and unless it becomes an intolerable price to pay.
An old saying is ‘give uno caesar what is due unto Caesar, and give unto God what is due unto God.
Just put power in the world for Caesar – and power in truth for God. Or simply see the power that corrupts truth demands the costs of everything true. To be come aware of a deceit is to open a self-honesty that is a true basis from which to grow a true appreciation. This WAS the idea of Science – in uncovering the false to open us in the true – with practical extensions of our worth and significance in a worthy and meaningful sense of life valued and shared.
We never get our power or truth or love BACK – but wake from deceits to recognise it never left…. we did – in grasping at substitutions in symbol and concept that do not deliver us from illusions – but convict us in them and deny our right to question our own thought – lest it be a crime against science!!!
I left a sentence about lip service unfinished – but it reads correctly and meaningfully into the term ‘skepticism’. That I then show is a masking of ‘reasonable acceptability’ among peerthink.
I’ve seen all of these arguments before, made by those who try to discredit scientists by presenting an alternate false reality that disregards the evidence. They’ve been refuted here: https://skepticalscience.com/