No Class

John Steppling

In class society, everyone lives as a member of a particular class, and every kind of thinking, without exception, is stamped with the brand of a class.”
Mao – On Practice (1937)

That belief in Christ is to some a matter of life and death has been a stumbling block for readers who would prefer to think it a matter of no great consequence.”
Flannery O’Connor – Wise Blood

I think that most of the confusion in this respect has been the product of a failure to develop a class analysis of these changes. From a class perspective, it is clear that what we are seeing is the growth of various movements in the fascist genre (whether prefascism, protofascism, classical fascism, postfascism, neofascism, neoliberal fascism, ur-fascism, peripheral fascism, white supremacism, or national populism—you can take your pick). Fascist-type movements share certain definite class-based characteristics or tendencies. Although it is common in liberal discourse to approach such movements at the level of appearance, in terms of their ideological characteristics, such an idealist methodology only throws a veil over the underlying reality.”
John Bellamy Foster (Interview, Monthly Review, Sept 2019)

The purveyors of free-market global capitalism believe that they have a right to plunder the remaining natural resources of this planet as they choose. Anyone who challenges their agenda is to be subjected to whatever misrepresentation and calumny that serves the free market corporate agenda.”
Michael Parenti (Interview with Jason Miller, 2016)

When environmentalism unfolds within a system of heightened inequality and inadequate democratization, it does so unequally and autocratically. The result is not a “saved” climate, but rather enhanced revenue streams for corporations.”
Maximillian Forte (Climate Propaganda for Corporate Profit: Bell Canada)

John Bellamy Foster noted that it was a lack of class analysis that has stifled left discourse over the last twenty years. And I have noted that when one does engage in class analysis the first response, very often, is to be called a conspiracy theorist.

Now, this is largely because any class dissection will tend to unearth connections that have been hidden, consciously, by Capital — that those hidden forces and histories are experienced by the liberal left and faux left as somehow impossible.

Class analysis means that the non marxist liberal left is going to be faced with the malevolence of the ruling class, and in the U.S. certainly, the ruling class tends to be adored, secretly or otherwise, by the bourgeoisie.

When the U.S.S.R. dissolved the West intensified its propaganda onslaught immediately. And a good part of this propaganda was focused on the denial of class. On the right, the FOX News right, “class warfare” became a term of derision and also humour.

And among liberal and educated bourgeoisie the avoidance of class was the result of a focus on and validations of rights for marginalized groups — even if that meant inventing new groups on occasion. Class was conspicuously missing in most identity rights discourse.

And the climate discourse, which was suddenly visible in mainstream media early 2000s, there was almost never a mention of class. Hence the new appropriation of that discourse by open racist eugenicists like “Sir” David Attenborough, and billionaire investors and publishers. Even by royalty. By 2015 or so there was what Denis Rancourt called the institutionalisation of a climate ethos.

I have even seen of late self identified leftists suggesting the “Greta” phenomenon was the working class finding its voice. (no, I’m not making that up). I have also seen many leftists – many of whom I have known for years — simply hysterical around the subject of this teenager.

Her greatest appeal is to middle aged white men. I have no real explanation for that. But then these same men quote, often, everyone from Guy McPherson (who I think needs a padded cell, frankly) to Bill McKibben – an apologist for militarism and wealth…here

Gosh kids, lets rely on big wall street money, thats a gall darn good idea. What an unctuous fuck he is.

The Attenborough and Greta (and Jane Goodall) video was absent content, really. Terms like *tipping points* were used several times but not identified. And they were not identified because they don’t have to be. This is the near religious end of the climate spectrum. I hear people angrily denounce someone as a “denier”.

This is the tone reserved for all apostates. For heretics.

Now before continuing I find it very interesting that those predicting the most dire effects of climate change, those who say we’re dead in twenty years or thirty — they are still publishing books, still marketing those books. Its still a business.

I guess I might expect climate Sadhus to appear — naked mendicants, covered in dirt and dried mud, hair matted, living off alms. Or like preachers standing on the street corner, a sort of eco Asa Hawks, Bible in hand (or climate bible in hand) offering spiritual solace to the multitude. But instead we get TED talks and more rather expensive books.

I want to make clear, the planet is getting warmer. Its already happening. To say otherwise is irrational. That does not mean there are not many questions left answered, and increasingly undiscussed. Nor that alarmism isn’t in full swing (fear and sex pretty much form the basis of all advertising).

There is very little serious adult debate about what must be accounted the most serious subject, or one of two most serious subjects in contemporary life.

The other would be the global rise of fascism. And neither of these topics is given a serious public discussion. The entertainment apparatus is, at this point, ill equipped to handle anything serious.

I do not consider the side show carnival of Greta and the Prince of Monaco, Arnold and Barack, and eugenicist scum like David Attenborough (as a Brit friend of mine referred to him, “that old racist tosspot”) as serious.

The Green New Deal is western Capital laying claim to a new market. And Attenborough and Goodall both are members of the anti immigration (Malthusian) group Population Matters.

This has been exhaustively catalogued by Cory Morningstar, but then she is now being smeared as a “conspiracy theorist”. And this is, again, because class figures rather prominently in her writings.

This reminds me of my Wall Street days, I mean all the new markets, the high yield markets, different convertible markets — this is how they all start.”
Mark Tercek, CEO The Nature Conservancy, 2015

Now, the bourgeoisie is perfectly happy to let the ruling class lead and be the decision makers. It is startling, really, how indigenous activists from the global south are so conspicuously missing in all this. So invisible in media. And to complain of this means one is met with just a myriad of apologetics about Greta and this carnival. And the paternalism that demands nobody ‘beat up’ on the teenager.

There was never such outrage at criticism of Rachel Corrie. And amid all the young girl propaganda props (Nayirah al-Ṣabaḥ, Bana Alabed, Park Yeon-mi, et al) the only constant is that PR firms are doing a lot of business.

But the new investment in Green technology (sic) will really only result in — as it always does — a further growth in unemployed labor and an uptick in low end minimum wage service work. This is straight out of Capital, the general law of capitalist accumulation.

But if a surplus labouring population is a necessary product of accumulation or of the development of wealth on a capitalist basis, this surplus-population becomes, conversely, the lever of capitalistic accumulation, nay, a condition of existence of the capitalist mode of production. It forms a disposable industrial reserve army, that belongs to capital quite as absolutely as if the latter had bred it at its own cost.”
Karl Marx (Capital vol 1.)

And it is not even that, really. The ruling class set in motion an environmental program sometime around the year 2000. But the Rockefeller group, remember, founded the Club of Rome in 1968. The aim was to plan for resource depletion and limits to growth. It had a decided eugenicist bent. They issued a report in 1991, and formed a think tank in 2001.

Among the members are Al Gore, Maurice Strong, The Dalai Lama, and Robert Mueller of all people. And dozens more including Henry Kissinger, Bill Gates, George Soros, and Bill Clinton.

You get the idea.

The point is that the current explosion of climate awareness is brought to you, at least partly, by the captains of western capital. And it is very white and very worried about birth rates in dark skinned countries. So the question becomes, in the midst of a real crises of pollution, and a warming planet, what and who is one to believe and where is one to turn? My first response is NOT to the people who helped create the problem in the first place.

In fact, class itself is something of a verboten word. In the mainstream media, in political life, and in academia, the use of the term “class” has long been frowned upon. You make your listeners uneasy (“Is the speaker a Marxist?”).

If you talk about class exploitation and class inequity, you will likely not get far in your journalism career or in political life or in academia (especially in fields like political science and economics).

So instead of working class, we hear of “working families” or “blue collar” and “white collar employees”. Instead of lower class we hear of “inner city poor” and “low-income elderly.” Instead of the capitalist owning class, we hear of the “more affluent” or the “upper quintile.”
Michael Parenti (Class Warfare Indeed, Common Dreams, 2011)

There is a new religious tenor to climate discussions. And it reflects (among other things) a reductive world view. Global issues and forces and global relations on both a macro and micro level are being simplified.

The template resembles a cartoon more than anything else.

‘Our demise is immanent’ is something I have read or heard at least a dozen times. People are enjoying the coming apocalypse. If they really believed that the end is nigh, they would be behaving very differently. But for many on the left the decades of marginalization has left them emotionally raw, and psychologically battered.

It’s so seductive to just give in to the coming apocalypse. And additionally there is a clear pleasure to be found in taking on the role of excommunicating climate Angel — come to smite the deniers with the sword of eco piety.

Still, there are genuine and committed ecologists and activists working on preserving nature and protecting the wild. Many are from indigenous peoples in South America, Central America, Asia and Africa. They are all but invisible in mainstream media. And increasingly they are being murdered. (See Berta Caceres).

One hundred and sixty four activists were murdered last year, with thirty in the Philippines alone. Twenty six in Colombia. None of this is front page news. Why? Why is a blond teenager now nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize (usually reserved for war criminals) meeting with Obama and the Pope while the defenders of Nature in poor countries remain nameless and anonymous?

The answer is because white people care about white people. And because Western capital sees those poor countries as places to exploit, burden with debt, and de-populate.

The ruling elite, including those backing the Extinction Rebellion and Green New Deal, are on the side of those who murdered Caceres.

Look at big mining in the global south, enormously polluting, destructive of land and community and people. A just very cursory glance at who runs this mega mining concerns is illuminating.

Who sits on the board of Newmont Goldcorp for example. While based in Colorado, its primary mining operations are in Ghana, Suriname, and Peru.

Well, one is Gregory H. Boyce, who also sits on the board of directors for Monsanto and Marathon Oil. Or Rene Meldori, former executive director for DeBeers.

Or take the infamous Barrick Gold, on whose advisory board sits Newt Gingrich, former secretary of defense William Cohen, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg former German defense minister, and Brian Mulroney, former Prime Minister of Canada.

But it’s better than that…here is a bit of background from Jeff St. Clair…and here is more.

Or what about Rio Tinto, where Jean-Sébastien Jacques holds an advisory position, after leaving Tata Steel (TISCO) in India. Just surf the web and read the bios. There is a deep connection with big oil, with coal, and with nearly every other massively polluting industrial enterprise around the world.

Teck is another huge mining company. It is based in Canada. I suggest reading the first article on this page.

The concern over water scarcity does not breed environmental strategies for reduction, only new ways to extract and plunder during the coming scarcity. For that is the logic of all capitalism.

There is an enormous land grab going on in Africa, for example see here:

When the fog that fascism creates in all countries clears away, behind it one sees an all-too-familiar figure. This character is, of course, neither marvellous nor mysterious, he brings no new religion and certainly no golden age. He comes neither from the ranks of the youth nor from the mass of the petty bourgeoisie, even if he is an expert at deceiving both these groups. He is the counter-revolutionary capitalist, the born enemy of all class-conscious workers. Fascism is nothing but a modern form of the bourgeois capitalist counter-revolution wearing a popular mask.”
Arthur Rosenberg (Fascism as Mass Movement, 1934)

And here.

Those billionaire donors are not subsidizing Amazonian tribes fighting for their own survival and the survival of the rain forest. They are not subsidizing activists in the Philippines or in Africa. And they are never once mentioning the U.S. military and its role in despoiling the planet. (just look at AFRICOM, which saw an exponential growth in bases and troops under Obama). See here and here. (Hat tip to Jacob Levich for some of this).

The land grab is going to be enforced is the message here. These donors are investing. And alongside their investment runs the spectre of global fascism. Read these links and then consider if a state of emergency is not in the works.

Of course, the bourgeoisie, the white bourgeoisie are begging for such an emergency. The climate fear and its cultish response amid the liberal and leftish is resulting in a willingness, even a desire for, their own servitude. This is where someone is going to say, oh, conspiracy theory.

But is it? Read those links. Consider the unthinking reflexive adoration of Greta and the kids. And then consider the history of capitalism, of neo-liberalism. Consider just the history over the last thirty years. Greta is not anti-capitalist. She has carefully never said capitalism is a system destroying the planet.

There is a critical pollution of land and water globally. Not just plastics, but Depleted Uranium and all the waste of military and digital technology. And from pesticides and various other industrial and agricultural chemicals. How many participants in any of the climate meetings were without brand new smart phones?

I don’t believe in our extinction. I do believe life is going to change, and to mitigate the suffering that comes from that change one must reject the advice of billionaires and celebrities. Change must stop being spearheaded by WHITE privilege and the western white ruling class.

Pollution is the most urgent crises I believe. Pollution from mining of ores, and rare earth minerals (leaving pollutants such as chromium, asbestos, arsenic, and cadmium) is on a scale hard to even imagine. Or the recycling of lead based batteries, an under the radar but massive industry that pollutes with lead oxide and sulphuric acid.

Tanneries have always been an infernal and accursed industry, and pollute with chromium and soda ash, as well as large amounts of solid waste, all of which is usually contaminated with chromium.

Lead smelting, which is centered in the poorest countries and which releases iron, limestone, pyrite and zinc. This is not even to touch on pesticides, or the dye industry. And then we come to the military. In particular the U.S. military. The levels of pollution are nearly Biblical in dimension and scale.

Producing more hazardous waste than the five largest U.S. chemical companies combined, the U.S. Department of Defense has left its toxic legacy throughout the world in the form of depleted uranium, oil, jet fuel, pesticides, defoliants like Agent Orange and lead, among others.

In 2014, the former head of the Pentagon’s environmental program told Newsweek that her office has to contend with 39,000 contaminated areas spread across 19 million acres just in the U.S. alone. U.S. military bases, both domestic and foreign, consistently rank among some of the most polluted places in the world, as perchlorate and other components of jet and rocket fuel contaminate sources of drinking water, aquifers and soil. Hundreds of military bases can be found on the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) list of Superfund sites, which qualify for clean-up grants from the government.

Almost 900 of the nearly 1,200 Superfund sites in the U.S. are abandoned military facilities or sites that otherwise support military needs, not counting the military bases themselves.”
Whitney Webb (Eco Watch, May 2017)

Contemporary capitalism is coercive at every level. The privilege of white westerners is stunningly absent from all critiques I see relating to climate change. David Attenborough has a far larger carbon footprint (to the power of ten) than a Somali sheep herder. And yet that herder is being subtly cast as a threat to global survival.

The new focus on global warming (and the de-emphasizing of pollution) is the real threat to survival. For the new green capitalists the intention is to further plunder. The new corporate Green raiders want to privatize nature.

Across the world, ‘green grabbing’ – the appropriation of land and resources for environmental ends – is an emerging process of deep and growing significance. The vigorous debate on ‘land grabbing’ already highlights instances where ‘green’ credentials are called upon to justify appropriations of land for food or fuel – as where large tracts of land are acquired not just for ‘more efficient farming’ or ‘food security’, but also to ‘alleviate pressure on forests’.

In other cases, however, environmental green agendas are the core drivers and goals of grabs – whether linked to biodiversity conservation, biocarbon sequestration, biofuels, ecosystem services, ecotourism or ‘offsets’ related to any and all of these. In some cases these involve the wholesale alienation of land, and in others the restructuring of rules and authority in the access, use and management of resources that may have profoundly alienating effects.

Green grabbing builds on well-known histories of colonial and neo-colonial resource alienation in the name of the environment – whether for parks, forest reserves or to halt assumed destructive local practices.”
James Fairhead, Melissa Leach & Ian Scoones (Green Grabbing: a new appropriation of nature?, The Journal of Peasant Studies, 2012)

When is a contract ‘voluntary’? The answer is, probably never.”
Jairus Banaji (Theory as History)

There will never be environmentally friendly Capitalism. That is like creating de-hydrated water. The ruling class exists, its not a conspiracy theory. They operate as a class, too. They share the same values, the same sensibility and in Europe and North America they are white. They act in accordance with their interests, which are very largely identical. The failure to understand this is the single greatest problem and defect in left discourse today.

“In terms of relevance to the indigenous nations often referred to as the Fourth World, the rollouts from the COP21 gathering of UN member states, Wall Street-funded NGOs, and the global financial elite resemble colonial initiatives undertaken as a result of similar 19th Century gatherings to carve up the world for capitalism. Then, as now, indigenous territories and resources were targeted for expropriation through coercion, with Africa being a prime target.”
Jay Taber (Heart of Darkness, SI2, 2017)

“The Global Witness report said much of the persecution of land and environmental defenders is being driven by demand for the land and raw materials needed for products that consumers utilise every day, from food to mobile phones and jewelery. Also recording a high number of environment and land-related fatalities were Colombia with 24 deaths, India with 23, and Brazil at 20. Meanwhile, in Guatemala, a boom in private and foreign investment has seen large swaths of land handed out to plantation, mining and hydropower companies, ushering in a wave of forced and violent evictions, particularly in indigenous areas, the report said. This has stirred fears of a return to the large-scale violence the country suffered 30 years ago. The report said Guatemala saw the sharpest increase in the percentage of murders with a five-fold rise. At least 16 people defending their land and the environment were killed there in 2018.”
Al Jazeera, 2019

In the Philippines nine farmers were murdered, likely ordered by the landowners of the sugar cane plantations. Not much has changed since colonialism. Global Witness notes that mining is the industry which has caused or ordered the most killings of indigenous activists. In Africa, in particular, mining corporations hire expensive private security firms (American, Israeli, or British) to keep the local population outside of not just the mine, but the area *around* the outside of the mine. Acacia Mining (a subsidiary of Barrick Gold) is notorious for beatings and rape, and for contamination from the massive mine at North Mara, Tanzania.

Here is a report from The Guardian‘s Jonathan Watts from this year…

The nearest general hospital in Tarime was treating five to eight cases of gunshot wounds from the mine every week from around 2010 to 2014, according to Dr Mark Nega, a former district medical officer. “I saw so many people shot and killed. Some had gunshot wounds in the back. I think they were trying to run away but they were shot from behind.”

Such killings were initially played down or denied. Journalists who tried to investigate found themselves harassed by police, or believed their stories had been spiked following pressure from state authorities.

After pressure from activists and lawyers, Acacia acknowledged 32 “trespasser-related” fatalities between 2014 and 2017. Of these, six died in confrontations with police at the mine.

International watchdog groups say at least 22 were killings by guards and police during the same period. Tanzanian opposition politicians have claimed 300 people have been killed since 1999.

“For such a high number of violations to have occurred outside a conflict zone in a business context is shocking and exceptional,” said Anneke van Woudenberg, the executive director of Raid, a UK corporate watchdog.”

Class analysis is not conspiracy theory. Full stop. Class exists and is part of the hierarchical system of global capitalism.

The so labeled *Climate Change* crisis — as it exists on the level of Green New Deal or Extinction Rebellion — has very little to do with protecting Nature.

Global warming is a fact that humanity will have to adjust to and learn to live with. So much of the rhetoric and identifications that exist in the Greta narrative are driven by a subterranean belief in technology to fix any problem. Global warming can’t be fixed. And there are enormous difficulties for the entire global population, really.

Nature and planetary life move slowly, normally. It is western narcissism that demands things happen NOW. The planet is warming and the consequences will require big change. Critical change that must take place, especially regards pesticides and contaminated land. And changes in packaging, which means in many respect changes in how we eat.

The incursion of technology into nearly every waking moment of the daily life of the Westerner has conditioned a populace, one that doesn’t read, to see the acceleration of everything as natural. But it’s not. Nature doesn’t care about us. But humanity will have to care about Nature. And capitalism is not compatible with the direction those changes and care must take. Risking the direction for needed change by allowing capital investments to chart the course is a very dangerous idea.

War is always partly a war on Nature. But as I have said before, equality is the real green. The United States has erased the voice of the working class and the poor. But it is exactly those voices that have to be heard.

The techno/scientific clergy are of a class, too. The bourgeois academic and researcher are stamped by their class just as much as everyone else. I think that should be remembered. Class analysis!

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John Manning
John Manning

What I find interesting about this issue is the now unquestioning nature of the premise of climate change. To begin by stating my position, do I believe in climate change? My answer is firstly climate change is not a belief system and secondly climate has always changed and is changing now.

The issue in front of us is can we do anything about that. I believe we cannot.

The claim that climate change is caused by human activity is one that has always made me suspicious. Anything that puts humanity at the centre of the universe is more religious than scientific thinking. However it fits very nicely with Steppling’s argument here. It provides the reason for manipulating human behaviour.

There is a temperature database for my home town recorded and kept by Weather Underground. Between 1996 and 2016 the data can be presented, using standard statistical techniques, to show a 0.8 degree centigrade fall in the average winter daily temperature. These same data smoothing techniques are used by climate scientists to demonstrate temperature increases. In both cases the normal variability of the data is larger than the change identified.

Climate scientists say this is discovering the trend within variable data. Scientists say a trend smaller than normal variability tells us nothing.

There is nothing wrong with most of the proposals for change put forward by climate scientists. Reducing our consumption of energy is a good idea. Reducing our dependence on fossil fuels is a good idea. Protecting what little is left of forests is a good idea. If it takes the religion of climate change to make that happen then I am a believer.

However like Steppling I am cynical about how climate change will be used.

When CFC’c were the villain chemical companies and refrigeration companies gained billions. When marine antifouling paint was putting toxins into marinas the new ablative paints made paint companies billions. When bird flu was going to sweep across the world killing thousands, pharmaceutical companies made billions. When Al Gore discovered climate change he made hundreds of millions.

The first greenhouse gas deadline, that point of no return for a world that does not change fast enough, has already past. The next one in 2025 has goals unachievable in only 6 years. Maybe we should accept Greta’s extinction idea and start planning the farewell party.

vexarb
vexarb

@John Manning: “There is nothing wrong with most of the proposals for change put forward by climate scientists. Reducing our consumption of energy is a good idea. Reducing our dependence on fossil fuels is a good idea. Protecting what little is left of forests is a good idea. If it takes the religion of climate change to make that happen then I am a believer.”

Agree with all except the final sentence. Said Niels Bohr hanging up a horseshoe for good luck: “They tell me it works even if you don’t believe”.

John Manning
John Manning

Such a cruel reply Vexarb. When I have finally found a cause I can devote myself to, you inform me that I am superfluous.

vexarb
vexarb

John, not nearly so cruel as religious fanaticism and superstition can be. What you approve of is simple common sense backed by science. An excellent cause to devote oneself to.

No need to join a band of Believers who are susceptible to sentimentality, mumbo-jumbo and manipulation from on high.

Keep the Temperature Down. Yelling “How Dare You?” on global TV is not keeping the temperature down — it is stirring up the sheeple to stampede in a certain direction.

“I tell you, the girl and the dogs are working together”. — Cartoon

Dungroanin
Dungroanin

Yes, John good writing – the class war is as ancient as the sphinx.

Top against everyone below. Always has been.

There is no left- right, one dimensional line that humans are supposedly on.

The power and money pyramid is a 3-D structure, with multiple peaks vying to be the highest with the rest of us below, steadily worse off, layer by layer. All slaves all disposable.

The three dimensional wizards have successfully mesmerised most to believe their one dimensional lies through the ages to protect themselves from the masses:
Left – Right;
Communist-Capitalist;
Godless – God fearing;
Black-White.

And now the latest version Extinction supporter – XR saviour.

Clever pathological bastards ain’t they? Using children!

The only way to stop that cancerous ancient anglo imperialist child abusing murderous system is to destroy their priesthood and slave master kingdoms and bring down their castles and temples.

Ozymandias must fall again and the many must rise to save humanity from eternal slavery by the few.

axisofoil
axisofoil

Wow, so much to think about and no real solutions. Eating our children was recently suggested. There would be some resistance to that of course. I have a suggestion for reducing population without all the nuclear fallout which is bad for tomatoes. Let’s turn in our guns. Could be entertaining. https://youtu.be/zN0Xi8no6us“>

Dungroanin
Dungroanin

Overpopulation is another LIE.
By the same Pathocracy to divide and control the masses by keeping us fighting against each other rather them THEM.

vexarb
vexarb

Or at least, turn in our nuclear weapons.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz

Here in the U.S. the latest statistics from the Federal Reserve shows that the bottom 50% of Americans possess 1.3% of the entire nations wealth. 1.3%. How many of our politicians do you think have the least concern about what they think? But don’t worry – “class doesn’t matter.”

The 26 wealthiest individuals own as much the entire 3.8 billion people who comprise the bottom half of the entire earth’s population. These people and others of their “class” chart the direction of the global pillage we euphemistically refer to as the “global economy.” But don’t worry – “class doesn’t matter.”

These wealthiest of the wealthy literally own the MSM that daily helps shape collective reality on planet earth, they also own the political class of amoral pawns and clowns who do their corrupt bidding under the guise of serving within our vaunted “Western democratic system,” and these same uber-rich continue daily to enrich themselves through the West’s uber-violent military machine and through various and sundry forms of planetary plunder in which they are all heavily financially invested.

Diversions that lead away from these rather obvious unimaginably significant realities always puzzle me I must admit. “Don’t look there (“class”) – look here instead – or – better yet look within – or maybe don’t look at all – just take another selfie.” I find the notion that the global realities linked to both class (and it’s social control functions) are somehow irrelevant to our collective plight – including any future possible change of direction – to be rather mind numbingly nonsensical at best.

milosevic
milosevic

Diversions that lead away from these rather obvious unimaginably significant realities always puzzle me I must admit.

There’s no need for puzzlement — if you were a billionaire, wouldn’t you be quite concerned to direct people’s attention away from the gross inequalities of power and wealth distribution embodied in that fact?

And wouldn’t investing a tiny fraction of your wealth in the maintenance of an army of bought academics, “alternative” media, and identity-politics NGOs, to obfuscate that social reality, seem like a wise and prudent thing to do?

And wouldn’t you then slander anybody who pointed out your cultural engineering, as a “conspiracy theorist”?

If it’s possible to imagine these things as an imaginary billionaire, perhaps it’s also possible to actualize them as an actual billionaire. Puzzlement is manufactured on an industrial scale to keep the peasants under control. It’s been done for thousands of years; the ideological content is continuously adjusted to suit the prevailing social conditions. It’s been an exact science for over a century; identity politics is currently its most carefully engineered, and most successful product.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz

milosevic – I quite agree with your observations. My “puzzlement” was in reference to some of the comments I have read here at OffG in response to Stepplings post – comments dismissing the importance of the all too obvious issues created by the massive concentration of all global wealth in fewer and fewer hands – hands that hold the levers of both economic power and hands which control the mass violence of the State.

I also quite agree with you that this current social control system is simply an evolution and extension of past systems of mass control by church & monarchy. Today we have an interlocking propaganda system in the West which would make Goebbels salivate. From all MSM, to all newspapers here in the U.S., to movies & TV, books, magazines, radio and including even our “oh so hip” late night TV comedians, Americans are subjected to a non-stop 24/7 immersion in completely fabricated war and domestic policy propaganda.

As for “identity politics” – well, I wouldn’t be surprised if part of the “progressive” Democratic Party platform proposals for the next election will be call for the American military to paint rainbow insignias on all of our bombers and drones – you know – to show how “progressive” we all are and of course in order to differentiate Democrats from Republicans. Because as we all know the “regressive” Republicans would oppose adding rainbow insignias to our death machine. This is the “spectrum” of American political discourse today. “Do you want your regime-change wars, illegal invasions, drone murders, and massive economic warfare – WITH or WITHOUT – gender specific public toilets here at home?” Of course within the nonsense debates here in the U.S. our death machine marches on unopposed by either party and is actually perceived as a force for good by a large segment of our population.

milosevic
milosevic

I wouldn’t be surprised if part of the “progressive” Democratic Party platform proposals for the next election will be call for the American military to paint rainbow insignias on all of our bombers and drones

fortunately or otherwise, we’re now living in a world where sarcasm is redundant.

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vexarb
vexarb

No class? that’s u$, the EU$A:

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ed humphrey
ed humphrey

This class analysis I found interesting and was agreeing with until the sentence in which he dissed Guy McPherson, there I lost interest in whatever he had to say. The science that McPherson so patiently points to in his long videos completely supported by all the accumulated studies and most recent developments, is simply, once digested, now simply obvious. Sure now there are other contenders with climate change vying for 1st place in putting the last nail in the coffin of our extinction, such as the widespread pollution of our air, water and soil, 3 things upon which we are all fairly dependent, and also of course accidental reactor melt downs and the related threat of a nuclear exchange of almost any sort of missiles between nations, but, laughably, our best case scenario is now extinction by climate change, which at least might give us a few more years of rope to hang ourselves with, and the slim chance of a few nomad types emigrating to the last survivable patches of earth somewhere providing still enough food and etc., best case. LOL.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

“This class analysis I found interesting and was agreeing with until the sentence in which he dissed Guy McPherson, there I lost interest in whatever he had to say. The science that McPherson so patiently points to in his long videos completely supported by all the accumulated studies and most recent developments, is simply, once digested, now simply obvious.”

So obvious that I first put it forward publicly over a year before McPherson was born, after thinking for a few years about the then smaller body of evidence available–especially to a geographically remote teenager who was about the same age as the lone Greta sitting on a step with a placard when he first started exploring it as a possibility, triggered by an aside in an article in Scientific American that could be construed, though almost certainly not intentionally, as good inductive reason for pursuing such a conjecture.

But who would take Mr Steppling’s scorn too seriously when he describes himself, by implication, as a Marxist and sets up a pre-bourgeois peasantry as a force for meaningful rebellion against the forces of Czpitalism? Not Marx, with the “scientific” implication of an arc of history to defend, and certainly not Marx’s enforcer, Lenin. Amongst the classical Marxists, that leaves only Trotsky to provide support. But would Mr Steppling describe himself as a Trotskyist?

Louis Proyect
Louis Proyect

The new focus on global warming (and the de-emphasizing of pollution) is the real threat to survival.

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Really? John writes about how people in the global south are being victimized by greedy corporations but when it comes to people in the global north, climate change is just as much of a threat to survival. I understand that you people believe that everything printed in the Washington Post is a lie but I am sure if you spent five minutes on the net, you can find verification of Fedorov’s warning.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/climate-environment/climate-change-siberia/

“The warming got in the way of our good life,” said Alexander Fedorov, deputy director of the Melnikov Permafrost Institute in the regional capital of Yakutsk. “With every year, things are getting worse and worse.”

For the 5.4 million people who live in Russia’s permafrost zone, the new climate has disrupted their homes and their livelihoods. Rivers are rising and running faster, and entire neighborhoods are falling into them. Arable land for farming has plummeted by more than half, to just 120,000 acres in 2017.

MichaelK
MichaelK

I think, (and this is to put it mildly), that we’re way beyond ‘class analysis’ in relation to the crushing realities of climate change; really a breakdown of the ‘stable’ climate order we’ve been used to; and what’s needed is something else… ‘survival analysis.’ How do we prepare and cope with the coming ‘collapse’ not just of the world’s climate, but the linked collapse of our civilisation and our global economic system?

I often feel like well-off citizen of ancient Rome, someone with a lot of leisure time to pursue one’s interests, thanks to the income produced by the slaves on my estate; but at the same time I’m aware that something is very wrong with the very imperial system that allows me to observe and understand the dangers facing us. It’s difficult, looking around, to imagine my life of privilege and comfort and the economy and infrastructure of the Roman Empire crumbling around me in a few short decades, with a massive drop in living standards to follow, an economic recession lasting for centuries.

I don’t think we are any smarter than the ancient Romans or able to address the harsh and complex challenges waiting for us. Our society and economy is like a giant supertanker, or the Titanic. The difference between us and the people on the Titanic is that they didn’t know in advance that they were heading straight for gigantic iceberg. Ignorance was on their side. In contrast we know what’s waiting up ahead, yet we still cling to our course, regardless. That’s much worse than ignorance. It’s insanity on a massive scale.

I’m not sure it matters very much how we created a culture and civilisation that worships ‘stupidity’ and the superficial, a culture that lives for excess and entertainment, bread and circuses on a scale that makes ancient Rome look restrained.

I don’t think we are living in a culture that allows us to engage with reality and then take the necessary steps to avoid what seems to be our fate, the collapse of industrial civilisation.

In theory the ‘masses’ might rise up in a mighty Revolution and topple the old social and economic order, only I think civil war is more likely or even more likely WW3 as the great empires begin to compete and fight each other over the resources and markets we have left. We seem far better at fighting wars than facing up to the challenges of climate change. Socialism doesn’t look like it’s just around the corner, but the dangers of tribal nationalism seem far more real. Brexit is about the rise of nationalism too and a really bad sign for the future.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz

You’re such a little troll boy aren’t you Louie! What’s the problem? Not enough folks bothering to visit you and the gang over at CounterPuff since you folks became yet another “progressive regime-change” site?

milosevic
milosevic

Progressive colour-revolutionaries are a dime a dozen; there’s intense competition between them to attract ruling-class sponsorship. To be successful, they need to engage in continuous publicity and marketing campaigns, in order to prove that having once been bought, they’re worth the ongoing maintenance fees.

Steve Hayes

The global warming hypothesis holds that increased greenhouse gases emissions cause increased average global temperature. However, from the mid-nineteen forties to the mid-nineteen seventies, whilst greenhouse gases emissions constantly increased, global average temperatures declined. Indeed, the decline was so marked that climate scientists (and the corporate media chorus) jumped up and down, shouting about a coming ice age and demanding that something must be done. Since 1998 there has been no statistically significant global warming even though there has been constantly increasing greenhouse gases emissions. The hypothesis, as these data show, is at best flawed. And this would be obvious if it were not for the fact that Climate Change is highly politicised. Indeed, the Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change is not a scientific body; it is a political organisation: and its reports are not disinterested science, but are political instructions to “policy makers”.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar

99.9% of the world, including this author it seems, have no concept of what ‘normal variability’ means.

In climate ‘normal variability’ must be defined before anyone says that climate is abnormal.

There is zero possibility that the current climate is not absolutely within the bounds of normal variability of climate on earth, when viewed merely over millennia, let alone over the tens of millions of years of geological time.

By this, I am not saying that the earth has not warmed since 1810: it has. The thing is, that warming has been a good thing, not a bad thing. Cold kills much more than heat….

The next thing to say is that plenty of warmings have occurred on earth, as have plenty of coolings, long before man started using lots of petrol.

There were warm periods warmer than now 1000 years ago, 2000 years ago, 5000 years ago. They were called the Medieval Warm Period (when Danish farmers emigrated to Greenland), the Roman warm period (when grapes for wine were grown in Lincolnshire) and the Minoan warm period. Liars in the warming community will try and make fictitious claims that humans caused those warmings too. No one should listen to them.

There have been colder periods too, notably when the Little Ice Age occurred from 1450 to 1750. The current whinging warmistas would have lasted about five minutes during those cold winters….humans died, cattle died, crops failed. Only the hardy survived at high latitudes….

Then of course, we know that nature can drive earth into regimens 10C colder than now. They are called Ice Ages for a reason: much of Northern Europe was under ice 15000 years ago. I do not think darling Greta can wave a magic wand and wish away Ice Ages….humans may just end up as collateral damage.

As I said, ‘normal variability’ describes how historical data shows what is normal and what is not. Averages are averages. We do not experience averages, we experience variability which is almost always normal when put in appropriate historical context.

Thing is, it is not in the interest of charlatans to do that.

Hysteria and bedwetting sells.

Calm explanations do not.

A shame, really…

Ramdan
Ramdan

‘Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself.’
Rumi

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Where to begin, Ramdan? wise words: me & you & Nu, sitting on the verandah …
MAN – O – TO – Rumi to Nu, considering . . .

Rumi, harmonised with music to my ears,
backed up by Dostoyevsky’s ‘Demons’.

“If you want to overcome the whole world, overcome yourself . . .”

Ramdan
Ramdan

Come let’s speak
of our souls
let’s even hide from
our ears and eyes

like a rose garden
always keep a smile
like imagination
talk without a sound

like the spirit
reigning the world
telling the secrets
uttering no word

let’s get away from
all the clever humans
who put words in our mouth
let’s only say what our hearts desire

even our hands and feet
sense every inner move
let’s keep silence
but make our hearts move

the mystery of destiny
knows the life of
speck after speck of dust
let’s tell our story as a particle of dust

RUMI

Ramdan
Ramdan

“When will humanity get tired of wasting time when the future is here and now?”
“Spiritual anarchy – or radical self-responsibility within a tightly networked support group of community self-responsibility and mutual aid.”
(BigB)

“If the statement refers to people being more or less self-sufficient in growing and providing food for themselves and their own communities, that should be possible: people can be educated to grow fruit and vegetables appropriate for the climate and soils where they live (or grow food in hothouses and/or with hydroponic methods), and trade with neighboring communities for the things they need.” (Jen)
__________________________ ____________________ ___________________________________

….The only sensitive, compassionate, responsible and real solution…not real in the sense of what people tend to believe reality is…but on the sense of what Reality IS.
__________________________ ____________________ ___________________________________
…but for that, these questions (from BigB post) had to be answered accordingly:

1. Who in the developed world is going to mobilize to intentionally reduce their lifestyle – in terms of per capita resource throughput?

2. Who will heed the voluntary simplicity call to action?

3. Who will call for a classless global society with a radical redistribution of resources from the developed to the undeveloped world?
__________________________ ____________________ ___________________________________

How far are we willing to go, to change ourselves so that the change becomes true at a larger scale?

Are we willing to embrace simplicity of living, modesty and humility at a personal level as starting point?

Will that happen? Are we ready, willing and able?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin

Who in the world?

Well if we drag our eyes away from the masturbatory Anglo centric worship, there are plenty historically as well as now.

Start with that ancient prince turned paupet – Buddah.
All the way to the Chinese vanquishing of their utter poverty and ancient class system within a century!

Ramdan
Ramdan

look not away but within:in both sense: within ourselves (individually) and within ourselves (as “western civilization”)

look not into the past but in the here and now.

The questions had to be answered starting at a personal level first…the rest will follow.

Mortgage
Mortgage

The assaults against the population committed continually by the Establishment warrant the suspicion and doubt about every ‘Approved’ theory/opinion and every ‘Approved’ personality/celebrity.

The ‘Everything is Scripted’ is well established, well and alive. If anything, it’s getting worse.

BigB
BigB

Class analysis? Let’s do some class analysis: starting with a fact from Professor Kevin Anderson. 70% of carbon emissions are produced by just 20% of the global population. Which makes everyone in the developed world – by default – a high emitter and part of the climate bourgeoisie or petty bourgeoisie. With the global proletariat and lumpen proletariat distributed among the undeveloped world.

So, as a class action: who in the developed world is going to mobilise to intentionally reduce their lifestyle – in terms of per capita resource throughput – to produce this new green equality that John calls for? Absolutely no one. Who will heed the voluntary simplicity call to action? Absolutely no one. Who will call for a classless global society with a radical redistribution of resources from the developed to the undeveloped world? Absolutely no one. Not in nearly enough necessary and sufficient numbers to impact on emissions.

So radical class analysis reveals the lie of class analysis in only a few lines. We can leverage global suffering with ease as a strategy of self-protection and to create traction for a greater proportion of the vast inequality of the global distribution of wealth with impunity: but we will do nothing about it. Not if it impacts on our wealth and lifestyle values. But we will call for false syndicalisation; mass organisation, and pseudo-class social structures *within* the ranks of the petty bourgeoisie – to make sure that we organise to get our fair share of the spoils of global suffering. This reveals the class analysis that John advocates as the para-fascism it is. Collective syndicalisation around the self-preservation of human greed over human need.

Radical class analysis – globally applied – reveals the Big Lie of class politics. We don’t actually give a flying fuck about class analysis. Not if we actually have to respond with conscience, compassion, and radical behavioural change. All class politics is is a set of character masking lies that conceal the true para-fascist nature of class politics. Evidence for Churchillian white imperialism – it’s the black buggers faults for breeding like rabbits – can be found on this very page. That and the solipsistic denialism that there are major problems with ‘The System’. Problems that are not just the fault of some other reductivist scapegoat outgroup – the ‘Bankers’; the ‘Jews’; the ‘Ruling Class’; the ‘ecofascists’ – from which radical self-responsibility is naturally exempt by personal judgement. So here we have the syndicalism, autarchy, racism, ultranationalism, imperialism, protectionist ingroup collectivisation, and self-preservational outgroup Otherisation, that are all the pre-conditions for historical fascism – as revealed by radical class analysis.

So: having revealed a radical class analysis which in turn reveals class consciousness’ innate collectivist tendencies to para- and proto-fascism – tendencies that remain latent during sustained periods of artificial and unsustainable growth – only to emerge from latency as the mass consciousness of collectivist class structures …emerging: not from without – but from within.

There’s no time to pull punches anymore: if you think that there is a reality ‘out there’ that has an objective class structure that is observer independent – you’ve taken the Blue Pill. The structure of ‘outer’ reality is inner reality. What we see is the user-verification of a Collective Cognitive Unconscious (CCU). The neuroscience is clear – spirituality even clearer – we create our own reality. What it does not say on the label is that it is proto-fascist. Because the CCU we learn – and it is learned, rule based, hierarchical, class structured, institutionalised, autocratic, dictatorial: very little is innate and heritable – this CCU has been a capitalist epochal endocolonisation since long before any one of us was inducted into it.

Marx knew this in 1844. What is little appreciated even now – given the predominant regime of beliefs in his time – was the Marx was probably a better psychologist than an economist. His most famous contribution should be that he linked the two – our social being is the product of the hierarchical class structure of the society we acquire our primary socialisation from (from 0-12 in the ‘pre-operative’ phases of learning. He even influenced Vygotsky – who along with Piaget – began formally mapping this out).

What Marx also knew was that in order to cope and survive capitalist alienation there was a latent tendency to the autonomisation of a false consciousness – that was the real enemy and character masking of any radical class analysis. He even knew it was unconscious – which was absolutely remarkable for the time. And the only solution is the ending of private property rights. Because private property is authoritarianism and its syndicalised autarky is fascism. Which radical class analysis reveals to be as true today as it was 170+ years ago.

The fact that everyone can see the fascism ‘out there’ (where we put it) in others (who are the inferiorised mirrors of our Self) is a a charakter mask of the true and internal nature of fascism. Not recognising this is the biggest ‘Blue Pill Lie’ of all the capitalist endocolonisation of the CCU – the we are rational, independent, individuated, autonomous and uninfluenced conscious agents of free will. Consciousness is a 2% bandwidth of meta-cognition sitting on the peronalised CCU cultural conditioning. How much ‘Red Pill’ consciousness do you think is on display in all human activity? 2%? That’s probably generous.

Fuck the climate and the bitching and squabbling about who to blame and what class they represent. We have more proximal fascist causation with a collapsing economy. Humanity is on the threshold of civil war and right-wing fascism that have more to do with our innate autonomisation and fear-first primal protectionism. Fuck that what we are protecting is already a fascist racist imperialism upon the rest of humanity. When it is threatened: we will tear ourselves apart before we take self-responsibility for our actions. We won’t have to worry about the ‘Macpherson Paradox’. We will tear ourselves apart because of the latent unconscious behaviourism evident within …long before runaway CAGW take hold.

What does anyone think are the chances of a ‘Red Pill’ psychologist explaining this to the unconscious ‘Blue Pill’ collectivist mass? Humanities near term extinction seems like the most likely outcome to me. Acted out by ‘us’: not ‘them’. As revealed by radical class analysis. Keep taking the Blue Pill, John.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Exactly this BigB: what you say nails the dichotomy & I’m not sure the majority have the level of self-awareness, required to evolve their own consciousness, let alone others: with critical reasoning having been specifically trained out of most minds, via poor educational standards, with malice aforethought by Elitist Academia …

“This ain’t rock n’ roll, this is genocide …”

With the benefit of hindsight, it becomes far easier to identify & appreciate S’ir’Real Art & Artists, like Bowie, and on re-listening Future Legend / Diamond Dogs, whether anybody likes Bowie’s art form of choices or not, they cannot deny that it is Art4Art’sake and never ages … He rejected Knighthood, as lifelong principle: something like ‘Values’,
that transcend time >>> R.O.I. ? Energy well spent, when I think about it 🙂
“Thou shallt not worship false idols”, ‘listen up’, within.
Diamond Dog Culture / DDC & DDT 🙂
Not to mention DDE & DDD +
(Dostoyevsky’s Demonic Dilemmas) 😉

Dungroanin
Dungroanin

Ahh BB still the eurocentric western point of reference?

Marx ? Dickens’ dark satanic mills is more my bag fot proto environmentalism.

Shelley too had the class system sussed.

Eventually even the great state propagandists HG Wells and Eton’s Blair, ‘Orwell’ figured out that they were used to perpetuate the great class injustice in which all humanity was despensible for the benefit of the few and they themselves , higher they were then most were also despised.

They don’t live very long after – these who see reality – probably just broken hearted eh?

BigB
BigB

East and West is a bit of an imagined geography, DG. Trade started in pre-history and was global even then. The seat of Western white eurocentrism was Athens – trading hub of the Old World where East met West. Greek philosophers – notably Heraclitus and Pyrrho (Alexander the Greats philosopher) – were well acquainted with the Dharma …the teachings of the Buddha.

What successive ‘Western’ potentates – and their scholars – did, was edit out the good bits in favour of the autocratic stuff. No one wants an enlightened people now, do they? Cognitive elitism and monopoly of interpretation is for the Ruling Aristocracy – not the unwashed masses.

I could give you the direct ‘Eastern’ equivalents – even for ‘Class Analysis’. The Buddha railed against the Caste system – even mentioning ‘Iona’ in one of his debates with the Brahmin (according to Stephen Batchelor).

My point is that there is a rich vein of East/West synthesis already flowing through ‘eurocentrism’ that has been radically altered by the focus on the abstract ‘mind’ – floating disembodied in some sort of solipsistic reverie in a neo-Platonic altered reality. When that disembodied mind returns to full embodiment: it won’t matter where we are. East or West: we will be Human first of all.

The fabled East/West synthesis of spirituality and science will be a re-synthesis. Of a Perennial Philosophy that was memetically edited and spliced to exclude us as truly Human.

There is only one place we can call home. And you are sitting in it!

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

Things aren’t sustainable, and when things aren’t sustainable they must eventually stop.
In fact we may be nearer to some sort of collapse than people realise: just think about the way large banks or trans-national corporations are suddenly liquidated.

As Paul Gilding says our economy is now bigger than its host (the earth) – perhaps by as much as 50%. https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_gilding_the_earth_is_full?language=en#t-31141

The left, like a number of other things has been swept aside by predatory capitalism.
The MSM is a key instrument maintaining a facade of normality by distorting reality to such an extent that it is able to persuade the wider population that the accumulation of vast wealth in the hands of a tiny minority is somehow the natural order.

Until this stranglehold is broken it is hard to see how things like ‘the Greta phenomena’ can reverse this fundamental dynamic although at this point in time I personally don’t care who brings it down.

In atomised societies like ours an atavistic form of class-solidarity seems like a remote possibility not least because the workplace culture that gave rise to this form of collectivism has been damaged beyond repair by decades of propaganda about ‘extremism’ and ‘militant unions’.

MichaelK
MichaelK

What I really find rather disturbing, is how many people here express views about Greta Thunberg and the challenges we face as a civilisataion as our climate lurches into massive instability, that are, at best totally unsubstantiated ‘conspiracy theories’, at best, (yes, I know it’s a loaded term, unfortunately it applies here) and at worst they’re bordeline crazy.

Greta Thunberg’s ‘class’ is virtually totally irrelevant to the message she’s attempting to convey. Except that here family background and her mental issues give her the opportunity to examine her life and the world around her in a way of lot of young people, children, don’t. She’s a child of Swedish privilege, so what? To drag old Marx’s corpse into the current debate about Thunberg’s ‘class’ is like a parody of the biggest and worst excesses of vulgar Marxism.

The very idea that climate change is something that’s been created by the elite to justify and prepare the ground for even more ‘class warfare’ and austerity and population control of the ‘masses’, is a paranoid fantasy, which doesn’t even stand up to a logical analysis let alone a factual one. If the left go down that road they’ll make themselves even more irrelevant than they alread are and massively unpopular with the very ‘masses’ they imagine they are attempting to lead forward.

BigB
BigB

Well, that’s one massive upvote for mankind, from me. Hear, hear, to the voice of sanity!

Antonym
Antonym

Climates have always changed, also long before humans arrived.

“Your” massive instability is based on a bunch of climate computer models that do not agree with each other nor with hind casts. You want to be logical; delve deeper in this “science”.

The no.1 instability I predict for Western Europe and California is going to be man made in the form of extreme CO2 / N limiting rules and laws.

Petra Liverani

Climates have always changed, also long before humans arrived.

The most exasperating strawman argument of all time, Antonym.

Of course the climate has always changed! As if climate scientists don’t know that and what they study is WHY it’s changed in the past and WHY it’s changing now – they may not always be able to account for why it changed in the past but they know why the earth is warming alarmingly quickly now – gigatonnes of trace greenhouse gases being pumped into the atmosphere.

Antonym
Antonym

The Intergovernmental PCC was created by politicians and bureaucrats. As they started out by focusing their funding on human causes for the present warming some scientists obliged, Micheal Mann being a prominent case, creating a world temperature hockey stick with a long straight shaft. He was cherry picking data, even post ante to avoid those disturbing pre 1850 temperature waves caused without anthropogenic CO2 etc.

The WHY is mostly long term natural variation – Sun, AMOC, other deep ocean up/down welling, moving plates, cosmic radiation etc. Many are still only half known to Science because of their long duration, our short data set, their irregularity etc.

Petra Liverani

“Long term variation” is simply assertion. If you’re interested, Antonym, here is debunking of “climate scientists are in it for the money”. https://skepticalscience.com/climate-scientists-in-it-for-the-money.htm

The thing about manmade climate change is that when you consider it as an hypothesis without the evidence it makes so very much sense.

The biosphere requires CO2 in a similar way that our bodies require iron – it’s necessary, of course, but AT AT TRACE LEVEL in the atmosphere. People without sufficient iron will suffer anaemia and will eventually die with insufficient iron but for those suffering haemochromatosis (the inability to eliminate excess iron) they need to get rid of it otherwise they will suffer severe health problems.

Without CO2 the earth would be a frozen ball but with too much we will be too hot and suffer catastrophic climate change. It is a gas that operates at a TRACE LEVEL (pre-industrial was 280 ppm but now over 400 ppm) to keep us warm and you do not pump 9 gigatonnes yearly of a gas that takes 100 years to leave the atmosphere that operates at a TRACE LEVEL into the atmosphere without consequences.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz

A half-a-million dead Iraqi children are publicly acknowledge as – “worth it” – by the same cadre and class of amoral Western psychopathic elites that we are now supposed to believe have been brought to heel and conscience by a young Swedish girl who somehow manages to get endless corporate media publicity (media owned by said elites) while murdered indigenous activists around the globe remain completely invisible in the same said media? Sadly Steppling is right on the money in this analysis.

Any “solutions” to the myriad of globally threatening issues such as climate-change, massive pollution of air, land, water and our own bodies, deforestation, over-fishing of the oceans, massive insect depopulation, destruction and erosion of farmlands, overuse and contamination of fresh water supplies, etc. etc. – that all emanate from Capitalism – the oligarchy’s eternal plunder for profit program – will of course be “solutions” that maintain the West’s uber-militarism and ready access to mass military violence and massive economic violence. All without the slightest concern for international law or where the next half-a-million dead children might currently reside awaiting their fate.

Over 500+ years of this very same “historical reality” can’t be made invisible by a simple PR campaign, no matter how massive and well funded, and no matter how many brain-dead ‘celebrities’ add their faces to the cause. Particularly a campaign that appears to essentially exit as a way to paint a nice ‘Green’ (business as usual) smiley face on Capitalism’s continued destruction and mayhem about the globe. Conspicuously absent is any talk of ending our endless campaigns of neocolonial violence – now rationalized as – “fighting terrorism” – rather than by the “white man’s burden” or “saving souls” mantras by which we in the West once rationalized the very same brutal behaviors and mayhem – a neocolonialism that has taken the lives of many tens of millions about the globe. A neocolonialism that used the mystical – “invisible hand of the market” – to magically turn their collective labor, corpses, and land into piles of gold within this mad capitalist system. Only a child could believe that the wealthy at the helm of this system of plunder and mass murder have suddenly found “conscience.”

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz

An excellent article related to Steppling’s points:

https://www.greanvillepost.com/2019/10/07/imperialism-in-the-anthropocene/

fearitself
fearitself

The elite have recreated the environment in which humans live. The new environment has been designed to control human behavior. There is a digitally structured environment(DSE) for each nation state. Each DSE has feed-back (spying) and feed-forward (propaganda) control over all human behavior to within tight tolerances (the target behaviors). The system that operates within the DSE is capable to win any argument or to achieve in result in any election. Confined inside of the digital infrastructure the masses have been made into rats in a cage. We don’t need to worry about capitalism, socialism or any other ism..we are prisoners in their cage.. and they will do with us with they want.. unless we find a way to break out of the cage.

milosevic
milosevic

references?

Antonym
Antonym

Greta’s class is upper Swedish middle class.

Her greatest appeal is to middle aged white men. I beg to doubt that. I would say that it is white women with the younger ones in the lead. It is all about exiting emotions over ratio with its dull labor of “facts to be verified”.

Yes I know some women (Judith Curry, Joanne Nova) are in the scientific lead against CAGW).

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum

Greta Thunberg and David Attenborough the ‘enemy’?
Give me a break John.
Cynicism is a malady that pervades modern journalism.
It clouds the perception of the opinionated.
Greta and David do what they do because they Love Life.
Let them be.

vexarb
vexarb

Dinkum, you are both right and wrong because this is a real problem. Right, there are sincere (albeit well connected and well funded) actors who do what they do because they Love Life. Wrong, because those same sincere actors are “the acceptable face of Capitalism” — ie, “useful idiots” used as “front men” in a cynical campaign to diminish “Life on Earth”.

In these matters, as in most real situations, one needs “to be as subtle as the serpent and as harmless as the dove”. I learned this lesson from an Israeli writer, a lifelong Communist and campaigner for Palestinian rights, who for decades stood with her little band of Women in Black holding their banner, Stop the Occupation. Recently a new women’s organization with much better PR was set up, called Women Wage Peace; they refused to allow Women in Black to demonstrate alongside Women Wage Peace. Told of this, my friend replied, Anyone who works for peace is more important than what clothes they wear.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum

Attenboroug and his team have done more to raise awareness of the awesome beauty of nature than anyone on Earth.
Greta’s naivety and passion is 100% genuine. To claim otherwise is to demean and insult her followers.
Actors? No, they wear suits.

vexarb
vexarb

@Fair Dinkum: “Attenborough and his team have done more to raise awareness of the awesome beauty of nature than anyone on Earth.
Greta’s naivety and passion is 100% genuine.”

Right. But it’s those behind them, wearing suits, that worry me.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum

Greta is smart and a very determined young woman.
She has the attention of millions of ordinary folks.
Her next, and ongoing avenue of attack will be pointing out the cause of global warming.
Corparasites.
The suits will panic, but apart from assassination, which would be incredibly stupid on their part, they can do very little to stop the Greta SNOWBALL effect.

mark
mark

Why should they stop her? They’ve been paying millions to endlessly promote her.

Jen
Jen

I see over at Greta Thunberg’s Twitter account some people have already started thumping Bolivian President Evo Morales for allowing or condoning the burning of forest areas (which they call part of the Amazon rainforest) in eastern Bolivia with one lone dissenter warning against developing a narrative that leads from criticising Morales for his supposed inaction to calling for his overthrow.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin

Fig leafs.

‘Do as I say-ers not as I do-ers’

Don’t look for saviours – see the lies internalised since birth, the child like belief and desire for someone else to think for us is the self imposed mote in our eyes.

Recognise the right of all humans to exist equally as the requisite first step.

All else follows – no need for old men or young girls to shelter behind.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum

No motes here Dun.
You make complexity from simplicity.
ER is on the right course>>
https://medium.com/@plaosmos/extinction-rebellion-isnt-about-the-climate-42a0a73d9d49

mark
mark

The prime movers behind “Extinction Rebellion” and their kind are the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Soros, Goldman Sachs, and the big globalist corporate and financial movers and shakers.

Little Greta is followed around by a posse of handlers, script writers, and PR consultants living high on the hog with a carbon footprint the size of Bigfoot.

“There is no doubt that temperatures are rising.”
Really? Most of the so called “evidence” for this is either highly dubious or outright fabricated.
Global temperatures are recorded at monitoring stations, simple wooden boxes containing 2 thermometers for maximum and minimum temperatures.
The overall numbers of these stations has fallen significantly over the years.
And many are sited at grossly inappropriate locations:-
Near aircraft runways where they are exposed to jet exhausts.
Near diesel generators.
In urban locations near concrete buildings which absorb heat during the day and release it at night.
There are many other examples.
The results produced are not worth the paper they’re printed on.

You can say much the same for non existent “rising sea levels.”
Yet this is the basis on which our economy and industry is to be dismantled, and every aspect of our lives turned upside down.

Global Warming is just another self righteous, self regarding religious cult of the character of the Moonies or the Scientologists, or the Reverend Jim Jones’s organisation, but far more dangerous and destructive.
Like all such cults, it lays claim to an exclusive truth that must be accepted without question as an article of faith.
Anyone who fails to do so is a “Denier” or Heretic.
It has its own version of the imminent End Time.
Like the sad figures who used to attend football matches with sandwich boards declaring, “Repent! The End Is Nigh!”
There is even a Global Warming Confessions website, where you can seek absolution for your Green Sins.
But all this garbage is taken desperately seriously.

And there is a racist politicised agenda behind it, to demonise the 9% of the world’s population that is white.
Because of course “Global Warming” is all the fault of those evil white people.
They have to de industrialise and foot the bill for the endless Green Boondoggles.
With vast transfers of wealth to the “3rd world” that will all disappear to God knows where.

There is legitimate concern over population growth, which is now a non white phenomenon.
The populations of developed countries (mainly white, but including others like Japan and South Korea) are falling rapidly.
Of course, consumption (and production) per head in those countries is much higher.
But this concern is still valid in the case of countries like Ethiopia and Egypt, and others.
In 1994, the population of Ethiopia was 47 million, compared to 100 million today.
That of Niger, 6 million in 1980, 24 million today.
When a relative of mine fought in the Mediterranean during the war, the population of Egypt was 10 million. It is now 85 million, with another 10 million Egyptians living abroad.
If the population of Niger quadruples in little more than a generation, that country has to quadruple the size of its economy just to stand still. It has to produce 4 times as many jobs, schools, clinics, and infrastructure just to stand still with no improvement in its standard of living. That would be a tall order for a developed country. For somewhere like Niger, it is simply impossible.
This is not racist, or Malthusian, it is simply common sense.

We have had endless apocalyptic predictions for the past 60 years.
Human extinction by 1975 was confidently predicted in the 1960s.
“All the scientists” had proven conclusively that a New Ice Age was imminent, and we were all doomed.
If we were very lucky, we might just survive by dumping millions of tons of soot on the polar ice caps to warm the planet up a bit.
Then it all changed when Global Warming was invented.
Now we have “Climate Change”, which covers everything, hot weather, cold weather, drought, floods, and anything in between.
If only I could hedge my bets like that down the Bookies.
Ladbroke’s would go broke overnight.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood

You are probably aware of Drs Ronan and Michael Connolly, but for those who aren’t, their analysis shows an urban bias of most land-surface temperature reporting, and if you eliminate that, there is very little warming trend at all.

In other words, there is man-made-warming, but it’s not really global, and it’s bugger-all to do with CO2.

https://globalwarmingsolved.com/about-us/

Here is Ronan being interviewed by Delingpole:

Interestingly, Ronan (I don’t know about Michael) is one of the few well-known climate sceptics who declares himself to be on the political left (the only other one I know of is Piers Corbyn). Personally, I think it is tragic for science to be politicised in either or any direction. Those on the right would say it’s the left who are politicising it, but (speaking as a leftist myself), I’d say the right is at least as bad. But I am ashamed of some of the crap that a lot of my fellow-leftists come out with, on climate, Brexit, and a few other things.

Antonym
Antonym

With vast transfers of wealth to the “3rd world”

That was promised yes, even in Paris, but it never materialized. These Western forces might invest in the 3rd world, but do not donate to those governments – no profit.

They do donate to NGOs run inside the 3rd world purely to try and subvert any local programs they don’t like, just like Christian churches do or Muslim foundations.

vexarb
vexarb

Mark, you are right about rapid population increase being a hindrance to development in the 3rd world; for proof, China’s one-child policy enabled her Great Leap Forward. But population growth is only one factor of a complex set.

And you are wrong about Global Warming not being caused by CO2 increase in the atmosphere, due to increased combustion of hydrocarbons. I was not at all worried about the predicted Modern Ice Age in the seventies; but I am concerned about Global Warming as indicator of tempo increase in Capitalism’s self-destructive rapacity. Also, as BigB repeatedly reminds us, industrialization in Communist countries can be just as appalling in its effect on the environment. And China’s Communist Leaders claim to be just as concerned about the environment as our Capitalist Leaders claim to be.

“fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over every living thing.” — Old Testament
“By their fruits shall ye know them”. — New Testament.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

“By their fruits shall ye know them”. — New Testament.

And in Bear markets, always check the scat, thoroughly, before the feral faecal matter from ‘Fifi’ the Wild Panda, collides with the rotating oscillator, from high West winds …

I think it is fair to assume that the Chinese will not always want to do others’ dirty work, for them, (for less than half the price, whilst destroying their own environment), in futures brighter: the Chinese still need more respiratory masks daily, than all those required in Hong Kong for sure, (for genuine purposes) 😉
and they’ve noticed that something stinks, quite clearly.
The ole’ financials . . .

Dungroanin
Dungroanin

Mark you were doing so well until
“There is legitimate concern over population growth, which is now a non white phenomenon.”

NO. That goes for all commentators here btl pushing the same myth.

Here is a white man and expert and academic blowing that lie to pieces years ago – deceased now but his science is meticulous and has never been disproved. Spend a few hours on his lectures then come back and tell me if you still believe the malthusian over population myth. Which is a short cut for too many poor people of the lower class and wrong skin tone.

Hans Rosling was by far Sweden’s most famous professor of international health, and lectured before the entire world.

Hans Rosling’s sphere of influence extended far beyond Sweden. His son Ola Rosling and daughter-in-law Anna Rosling Rönnlund produced a computer programme offering a new model of visual statistics, through which the whole world came to listen to Hans’s lectures.

Equipped with this novel tool, he was able to illustrate multiple variables while exposing changes and trends that debunked tired myths. His expanding, shifting bubble graphics showed that the state of the world is not static but in a constant state of flux – that today’s world is not the world of 25 years ago.
https://ki.se/en/news/hans-rosling-spoke-and-the-world-listened

One of his lectures that exposes the overpopulation myth – scientifically.
DON’T PANIC — Hans Rosling showing the facts about population
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E

And many more
https://www.gapminder.org/videos/

vexarb
vexarb

DoneGroaning, I never heard of Prof.Rosling; nevertheless I never believed the overpopulation myth (except for the temporary One-child Policy that helped China’s Great Leap Forward).

The first believer in Over Population was Cain, who killed his brother Abel for jumping over Abel’s fence, when the total population of the world was barely twenty.

“This here town ain’t big enough for the both of us, Pardner. Draw!”.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

“What more evidence could you need:- ? Build a wall, that’s what Abel should have done, to protect against himself & Cain: and can we verify who paid for the fence, actually … ?
Did Cain help build it, in any way contributing ? ”

Did Abel get his just desserts ?
Like I had, beautiful chocolate cake with Xi, recently, double scoop vanilla… “

Who said that ?

I dunno’, but thanks for the “barely twenty” census report,
laughter sure helps 🙂

Dee
Dee

“Really? Most of the so called ‘evidence’ for this is either highly dubious or outright fabricated.”

The warming trend is the same in rural and urban areas, measured not just by thermometers but also satellites. Scientists took criticisms on their methodology seriously and made sure to confirm their results. You can find their methodology and data here.

“You can say much the same for non existent ‘rising sea levels.'”
exaggerated”

A variety of different measurements find steadily rising sea levels over the past century. Here is a summary of the methodology and data.

“Because of course “Global Warming” is all the fault of those evil white people.”

Well, it isn’t just white people although they contribute a lot. China is first, US is second, and the third is the EU. Other countries contribute too.

I agree that overpopulation is a problem, but even in the US, most of the population don’t hold much of the wealth. So, if you will blame the population of countries because they do not produce much wealth, that also applies to most white Americans since the top 20% holds most of the wealth.

Also, a negative population growth rate isn’t necessarily good for the economy. Japan is fortunate that immigration is a solution to their diminishing population and that there are people willing to migrate to their country.

Finally, I want to say that there are many factors that help or prevent a country’s economic growth. Simply looking at the population and judging countries and their wealth based on it is an oversimplification.

vexarb
vexarb

Thanks very much, Dee. It is rare to get Links refuting the repeated nonsense against the reality of global warming in the press. Somebody else on OffG did a similar Linked point-by-point refutation of similar false claims about a year ago. I have it on file somewhere and hope to collate it with yours for future use in threads on the topic.

The data on manmade temperature rise seems consistent; but prediction of the consequence of global temperature rise is uncertain. I guess we have 100-200 years to do reverse the effects of carbon burning, and am optimistic of success. After all, in the 1960s we cleaned up the famous London smog from coal fires. I think that was the MacMillan government. A similar socially conscious government could clean up London’s air pollution from petrol and diesel burning; but do such things exist any more?

“Mislike us not for our complexions,
The pallid livery of the pall of smoke
Belched from the million kitchen ranges
Of happy English homes” — Bernard Shaw, The Admirable Bashville.