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Copenhagen: Life in the Slow Lane

Colin Todhunter

Indian cities are in crisis. Spend any length of time in a large city there and you will notice the overcrowding, the power and water shortages and, during monsoon, the streets that transform into stinking, litter-strewn rivers. At times, these cities can be almost unbearable to live in.

And, not least of course, there is the horrendous traffic chaos and congestion, the choking pollution and the increasing number of massive concrete flyovers: monstrosities that have taken their place among numerous other planning disasters that blight so many Indian cities.

A few years back, Delhi introduced an ‘odd-even’ traffic policy whereby vehicles with certain registration numbers were allowed on the road only on designated days to try to cut down on traffic congestion and pollution. But this failed to solve the underlying problem that stems from a model of ‘development’ that associates a (wholly unnecessary) push for urbanisation (and depopulation of the countryside) and car ownership with progress.

Despite the problems, the greater the urban sprawl and the more road building that takes place, the happier are the real estate, construction and car manufacturing sectors. That’s not idle speculation: the documentary ‘How Big Oil Conquered the World’ describes how the car and oil industry criminally conspired to undermine public transport systems in US cities to get the population and urban planners hooked on the car.

As long as urban planners prioritise the car and wrong-headed notions of ‘development’ governed by powerful players continue, Indian cities will not only sprawl ever outwards and be defined by traffic congestion and air and noise pollution, but residents will experience an ever-worsening decline in their quality of life and increasing dependency on motorized transport.

Indian planners might wish to take note of a recent New York Times; article which highlighted that Los Angeles has decided against adding lanes to a freeway.

Although Andre Gorz noted this back in 1973, policy makers are waking up to the fact that building extra lanes merely means more cars, more pollution and journey times increasing.

As soon as you build a highway or add lanes to a freeway, cars show up to fill the available capacity (known as induced traffic demand).

Gridlocked traffic on the streets of Delhi

Just as some countries are now realising the folly of widening and building ever more roads and jamming cities with cars, Indian planners carry on regardless by blighting the urban landscape with ever more huge concrete flyovers and expressways snaking across cities and dividing and destroying communities.

A day before Delhi implemented the second phase of its ‘odd-even’ vehicle policy, the city announced it wanted to support the construction of more roads to solve congestion by enhancing road capacity via new roads, road widening, elevated corridors, flyovers and underpasses.

In Delhi, it seems the problem is being offered as the solution. The issues outlined above are of course not unique to Delhi or India.

If there is one city that seems to be on the right track, it is Copenhagen. The city believes that cycling should be the foundation for sustainable transport strategies and is key to making cities clean, green and liveable. Copenhagen’s urban transport solution gives space to cars but more importantly to bicycles, pedestrians and public transport.

Back in the early 1970s, Copenhagen was just as traffic clogged as anywhere. Now it has around 400 km of cycle paths. The city’s 2017 Annual Bicycle Report confirms that cycling is the preferred mode of transport for the city’s inhabitants. Each day, some 62% of Copenhageners use their bikes to go to work or school/college.

Copenhagen has in recent years been voted the ‘best city for cyclists’ (it tops the list again in 2019) and the ‘world’s most liveable city’.

Throughout the world, there is now a desire to improve public health and combat climate change. As a result, Copenhagen’s renowned cycle-friendly policies are serving as a template for some of the world’s most congested cities.

Aside from health and environmental considerations, an effective urban transport policy should be democratic. Unlike cars, even the poorest segments of society can gain access to a bicycle.

The bicycle is indeed democratic, not just for those who cycle but also for the rest of the population who are too often impacted by planning blight, pollution and the colonisation of urban space as a result of planning that privileges car users ahead of everyone else.

However, the bicycle is only truly democratic when spatial segregation is limited and bike lanes and appropriate cycle-friendly infrastructure exist to properly connect all areas. Inspired by Copenhagen, Mexico City’s bicycle strategy is attempting to address this issue through a comprehensive cycle path network, which aims to create mobility through areas that have been closed off due to previous planning strategies.

The arrogance of space

For cities to fully embrace the bicycle, city planners must stop thinking like motorists or capitulating to powerful lobby groups and plan for the needs of cyclists. In Denmark, for example, the Copenhagen-Albertslund route is the first of a planned network that will comprise 26 Cycle Super Highways, covering a total of 300 km. The network is predicted to reduce public expenditure by €40.3 million annually thanks to improved health.

Consider that in Europe 50% of most city land is dedicated to streets and roads, parking, service stations, driveways, signals and traffic signs. And yet the average European car is parked for 92% of the time. Of the other 8% of time, 1.5% is spent looking for a parking space, 1% in congestion and just 5% is spent driving.

There are 30,000 deaths per year on European roads and four times as many disabling injuries. Consider too that an average European car has five seats but carries 1.5 persons per journey.

In Copenhagen, city planners tend to give an adequate proportion of road space to cyclists: proper cycle lanes with curbs that separate cycling space from car space; cycle lanes that are usually also sufficiently wide. After all, why should cars hog so much road space when the majority of road users are cyclists?

In the article ‘The Arrogance of Space’, it says:

We have a tendency to give cities human character traits when we describe them. It’s a friendly city. A dynamic city. A boring city. Perhaps then a city can be arrogant. Arrogant, for example, with its distribution of space.”

For too long the arrogance of car-obsessed urban planners has degraded our health and our quality of life. But when you have good-quality public transport and the opportunity to cycle thanks to appropriate infrastructure, there is no need to hand over excess space to cars and produce endless concrete sprawl for car parks.

Walk (or cycle) around Copenhagen and you will immediately appreciate there is much less traffic noise and pollution compared with other cities. It is indeed a spatially friendly and a compact city – and a less “arrogant city”. It is also less hectic and more tranquil than many other cities and – taking things even further – arguably more community oriented.

Slow living

Of course, community-oriented living isn’t just due to transport strategies, although Andre Gorz said that to love your place or space, it must first of all be made liveable, not trafficable. He went on to state that the neighbourhood or community should be shaped by and for all human activities, “where people can work, live, relax, learn, communicate, and knock about, and which they manage together as the place of their life in common.”

In Copenhagen, the municipality encourages outdoor living by offering open-access communal table tennis tables, basketball facilities, well thought out kids’ parks, landscaped parkland and lakes. Even during cold weather, Copenhageners congregate on the streets and in the parks to socialise and embrace the concept of ‘hygge’, probably best defined as: a conscious appreciation, a certain slowness, and the ability to recognise and enjoy the present. Get to know the city and you will soon realise that hygge isn’t just a cliché.

The key word in that definition is ‘slowness’ because from there we arrive at the concept of ‘slow living’.

Writing in 1973, activist and writer Ivan Illich stated:

The use of the bicycle… allows people to create a new relationship between their life-space and their life-time, between their territory and the pulse of their being, without destroying their inherited balance… In contrast, the accelerating individual capsule [the car] enabled societies to engage in a ritual of progressively paralyzing speed.”

Modern culture is an advocate of speed, epitomised by car worship. Cars, speed and high-energy living have become essential facts of life. In the process, our communities have become disjointed and dispersed. We have sacrificed ‘slow living’ – in terms of intimacy, friendship and neighbourliness – for a more impersonal way of accelerated living.

Where would be the need for the car when work, school or healthcare facilities are close by? Less need for ugly flyovers or six lane highways that rip up communities in their path. Getting from A to B would not require a race against the clock on the highway that cuts through a series of localities that are never to be visited, never to be regarded as anything but an inconvenience to be passed through.

Instead, how about an enjoyable walk or cycle ride through an urban environment defined by community and intimacy? An environment free from traffic pollution or noise and where ‘neighbourhood’ has not been deadened and stripped of its neighbourliness, local stores and facilities.

Clearly, many of the problems associated with modern cities are not just due to cars or transport systems. Urban planning and the colonisation of space mirrors capitalism and the needs of powerful corporations.

By focusing on capitalism and how culture reflects the division of labour, Andre Gorz said:

It cuts a person into slices, it cuts our time, our life, into separate slices so that in each one you are a passive consumer at the mercy of the merchants, so that it never occurs to you that work, culture, communication, pleasure, satisfaction of needs, and personal life can and should be one and the same thing: a unified life, sustained by the social fabric of the community.”

Although it would be naïve and misguided to think that the bicycle (and cultural change) could transform the social relations of capitalism, it is at least emblematic of a different form of urban planning and ‘development’.

In writing this article, the author draws on his own personal experiences. He has spent a decade in India and is a regular visitor to Copenhagen.

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eddie
eddie
Oct 13, 2019 7:38 PM

A car-tastrophe?

BigB
BigB
Oct 13, 2019 3:28 PM

What about cities after oil? Chains of bike caravans bringing global resources to urban centres? This is not nearly as distant a problem as the consensus reality likes to pretend. Ten years ago we had roughly forty years of oil. Burning old tar to 200 degrees has done less to impact that than the consensus imagination likes to pretend. We have little time to reconsider our direction of travel. Given how long a transition to local systems and infrastructures may take. And that we may only have the resources to do one or the other – local or global …not both? Which has the best affordance and evolutionary reward value? What about cities after financialisation? Which may be our most proximal problem of all. There is no way to determine the outcome: but built land = dead land …lost to production. Which means the city needs to be assessed on… Read more »

MLS
MLS
Oct 13, 2019 4:03 PM
Reply to  BigB

Peak Oil is another Big Oil scam to justify treating their product as s scarce and therefore more valuable resource.

No one knows how much oil we have left. No one.

If the abiotic throry is correct (no conclusive data either way) then oil may actually and ironically be a renewable.

This is real science. Sick of the word being bandied by non-science bigots. Used that way it’s about as meaningful as High Priests citing the word of God to prove their point.

BigB
BigB
Oct 14, 2019 12:30 AM
Reply to  MLS

Abiotic oil and negentropy are real science? I think science may take a different view. So, do you actually have a valid criticism of entropy? Because if you do not: then the comment stands on the solid bedrock of science – no matter what you might think or say. Put up or shut up. Put forward a valid counterargument and we can cite principles and facts. I’ve given them before: and you ignored them. Charles Hall’s concept of EROI is a second law derived statement: as valid as the second law. It is cited daily in 1,000s of peer reviewed papers. It is the basis of a whole new biophysical approach to economics. Refute entropy and refute EROI. Or accept that negentropic projections of eternal faith-based anti-scientific anti-realism are nothing more than imaginary. If you have the science to back them up: provide it. But it will have to be… Read more »

MLS
MLS
Oct 14, 2019 2:42 AM
Reply to  BigB

1. Abiotic oil theory is real science, yes. It’s a valid theory with supporting data. It’s suppressed and derided because if correct it threatens the entire capitalist economic base, but surely you’re not simply taking the mainstream word on that are you? 2. negentropy or ‘negative entropy’ is real science, yes. If not then Schrodinger was wasting his time! I haven’t brought it up in this context – you have. Not sure why. But it’s definitely real. In fact your existence and mine and all living organisms can be argued as an example of it. As indeed, ironically, can the biotic theory of oil production. Which is one reason for doubting it since it’s a situation – the breakdown of life into death – in which entropy ought to be expected. The fact you are so uninformed about basic science you actually think negentropy is pseudo science and try to… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Oct 14, 2019 7:13 PM
Reply to  MLS

Abiotic oil: we did this before. I quoted Richard Heinberg and Ugo Bardi – both who are professors. There are two abiotic oil theories. The strong can be discarded because we are not swimming in oil. The weak states that oil may reform over the same geological timescales that it formed in. Which is of absolutely no use to us. For the record: the circumstantial evidence of dry wells partially refilling due to migration is NOT proof of abiotic oil. It is biotic oil: percolating from somewhere else. Unless you can point me to new information: all the oil I know of has been biotic in origin containing biomarkers. That these are contaminants is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary justification. Limitless pools of hydrocarbons – existing 20 miles beneath the mantle – which would prove impossible to recover …is a political theory: not a scientific one. Suppose they exist:… Read more »

Bodhran Player
Bodhran Player
Oct 14, 2019 10:07 AM
Reply to  BigB

Charles Hall’s ‘observational tool’ (as he terms it) ‘energy returned on energy invested’ is not a 2nd law derived observation at all. It’s a simple model he devised for calculating the efficiency of an energy system by comparing energy expended to achieve it with energy gained by achieving it. It is most often used to examine the efficiency of alternative and renewable fuels – all of which to date have sadly low ‘eroi’ compared with fossil fuels That’s all it is. I don’t know where you got the idea it was something more or involved observations on entropy or laws of diminishing returns. I think you are confusing Hall’s simple, even arguably simplistic, tool with the various ways it has been used as part of larger analyses or agendas that might discuss ‘eroi’ but also deal with other questions far beyond its remit. For example it’s often referred to in… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Oct 14, 2019 7:55 PM
Reply to  Bodhran Player

I can only give the same answer I just gave MLS: you are right. I am vastly oversimplifying. I could recast my argument in terms of exergy dynamics and make myself even more unintelligible. I tried years ago to define terms and bring in the new lexis of ’embodiment’; ‘exergy’ and ‘dynamics systems theory’. It went down like a lead balloon. So I just say what I want to say. FYI: we are no longer looking for oil – for economic reasons. CAPEX and exploration budgets are being cannibalised by debt repayments. The oil industry is kicking a multi-trillion dollar can down the road …due mainly to the ‘shale boom’ myth. There was a concerted effort to find more oil in the late ’90s. Mike Ruppert always maintained that this resulted in the Iraq War in 2003 …Operation Iraqi Liberation or OIL! The idea there are limitless pools of hydrocarbons… Read more »

MLS
MLS
Oct 14, 2019 10:34 PM
Reply to  BigB

Where did you get the idea I believe in limitless growth? I have literally not said one single fucking word about limitless growth. What is your problem with simple comprehension? I don’t advocate limitless consumption. I support rational research on renewables. I deplore planned obsolescence. My problem with you is not that I’m a Big Oil baddie and you’re a Green Hero. It’s not that I disagree with you basic premise. I don’t. My problem with you is that you have ONE purpose in everything you say, which is convincing people you are cleverer and more knowledgable than you really are. My problem with you is that you are a science illiterate posing as someone with a grasp. My problem with you is that in pursuance of this empty egotism you skim read studies and grab cool-sounding concepts and regurgitate them ad hoc and jumbled without understanding. That you post… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Oct 15, 2019 10:51 PM
Reply to  MLS

MLS I literally do not know what your problem is: but I know it is not me. For the future: why do you not just respond to my comments with reasoned criticism. If I made a mistake: point it out. I’m not the person you think I am. If I have misinterpreted something: I am willing to admit it and learn from the experience. However: this is never what you have done. I am sure we could have a fair exchange about entropy. My perspective has always been ecological and economic. Where, I can assure you, the term ‘negentropy’ is never used. Not even by Schrodinger – as pointed out. Free energy and in ecological papers – Gibbs Free Energy – are the preferred terms …for precisely the reasons stated. Nothing is immortal. Energy is lost with every transformation. Everything dies. For that reason: the term is not used. This… Read more »

MLS
MLS
Oct 14, 2019 10:50 PM
Reply to  BigB

Your nonsensical contradictions about negentropy is typical of what I can’t stand about you.

You skim read something about it and got the bonkers impression negentropy doesn’t exist. If you had even a basic high school grounding in physics you would know this is nonsense. But you have no such grounding so you don’t.

But when your noob error is pointed out you don’t even admit your mistake. You just go on a fresh pompous rant trying to cover your tracks. You Google and find something about Schrodinger which – again – you don’t understand – and just keep trying to blag it.

You don’t understand the science of entropy and negentropy! You know it and I know it. Have the fucking basic honesty to admit it.

This is my problem with you!

Antonym
Antonym
Oct 14, 2019 4:52 AM
Reply to  BigB

Why bundle everything from a small town to a mega-conglomeration under the label “city”? The latter is pretty unsustainable while the former might be better than any village.

MLS
MLS
Oct 13, 2019 3:01 PM

For God’s sake. We now have absolute proof the ‘climate emergency’ is being promoted by corporate fascists who want to use it to leverage massive exploitation on many levels. OffG has got flak for tweeting extensively about this fact.

When are you going to take the next obvious step and take another look at the physical evidence for AGW that underpins this agenda?

Right now you’re like those people who accuse the US of exploiting 9/11 to launch the WOT but refuse to question the ‘catalysing event’ itself.

Chris Rogers
Chris Rogers
Oct 13, 2019 2:46 PM

I’ve only ever lived in small cities or towns, so my knowledge of transport is mainly based on public transport when living in an area that has good road/rail communications – that said, and looking at South East wales and the M4 corridor, there is much the Welsh Assembly can do, but like others, it seems addicted to motorway expansion, despite a reasonable canal infrastructure via the Brecon and Monmouthshire Canal and what remains of our rail network after the Beeching disaster of the 60s. So, where my folks reside, we have an explosion of housing, which locals can’t afford to purchase, and an expanded commuter belt all the way to Swansea in Wales & Cheltenham in England, the Severn Bridge has now stopped taking tolls, meaning many from the South West can actually reside inside of Wales, whilst working in Bristol, Swindon or Cheltenham, meaning we have more cars… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Oct 13, 2019 5:02 PM
Reply to  Chris Rogers

Chris, what are your thoughts about a Severn barrage? Idle curiosity; I am a gee whizz! type, and admire the French barrage. Wikipedia: Assessments Return on Investment In spite of the high development cost of the 1966 project, the costs have now been recovered, and electricity production costs are lower than that of nuclear power generation (1.8 ¢/kWh versus 2.5 ¢/kWh for nuclear).[4] However, the capacity factor of the plant is 28%, lower than 85-90% for nuclear power. Environmental impact The barrage has caused progressive silting of the Rance ecosystem. Sand-eels and plaice have disappeared, though sea bass and cuttlefish have returned to the river. By definition, tides still flow in the estuary and the operator, EDF, endeavours to adjust their level to minimize the biological impact. Tourist attraction The facility attracted approximately 40,000 visitors in 2011. A lock for navigation at the west end of the dam allows the… Read more »

Chris Rogers
Chris Rogers
Oct 13, 2019 5:36 PM
Reply to  vexarb

Whilst I’m certainly a ‘headbanger Leftist’, I must state that a Severn Barrage would be a must if we were serious about tackling pollution and moving our economies to more local, environmentally friendly ones – a cost offset analysis could be undertaken to map out the actual ecological damage the building of a Barrage would produce, and other environmental concerns could mostly be engineered out at a cost, the reality is we’d lose the actual Severn Bore, but wetlands could be preserved, or engineered in. Once we know the actual ecological cost of building, we can then stretch that over a minimum 100 years, if not longer, given, that unlike nuclear, the barrage could be prepared frequently – my only concern would be the silting up of the estuary behind the barrage. As for the actual construction of the barrage, the latest proposals envisage a both way flow system, meaning… Read more »

MLS
MLS
Oct 13, 2019 6:09 PM
Reply to  Chris Rogers

How could ‘wetlands be preserved or engineered in’? That sounds like the kind of thing easy to put in promotional material, hard to actually achieve.

And wave power is desperately inefficient. Really not sure about cost/benefit there

Chris Rogers
Chris Rogers
Oct 13, 2019 6:33 PM
Reply to  MLS

The debate in Wales at least was one that looked at the benefits of lagoons as opposed to a Barrage, however, when the expected energy output of the barrage was re-visited, utilising latest blade technology and ensuring the barrage operated in both directions, the lagoons would need to be far larger, thus leaving an ecological footprint bigger than the actual barrage. As for wetlands, these of course can be preserved, or, be man made with the correct engineering, obviously, addressing such concerns costs money, which is why I not only doubled the last costing of the Barrage, but added an additional £10 Billion for good measure, and, quite strangely enough, that cost is now lower than the anticipated cost of the two PWR Nuclear Stations the Tories have signed us up with the French and Chinese to build. Bang in another £10 Billion, and we could look at Thorium Reactors,… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Oct 13, 2019 7:25 PM
Reply to  Chris Rogers

@Chris Rogers: “And, if you think I’m dreaming,..”

…then look up Rance Barrage (France) or Sihwa Barrage (Korea). Thanks, Chris, for a thoughtful answer to an idle question.

Chris Rogers
Chris Rogers
Oct 13, 2019 7:35 PM
Reply to  vexarb

vexarb,

No issue at all, its something i consider quite often when I consider if Wales can be an economically viable entity on its own, this being rather different to looking at Independence, as so many folk do. Indeed, with some imagination Wales could be an excellent place to live, it would never be rich, but, it could be a pleasant place for those with no interest in get rich quick schemes, but rather, living life a bit simpler and getting our hands dirty.

MLS
MLS
Oct 13, 2019 9:09 PM
Reply to  Chris Rogers

Thorium reactors are often sold as a cleaner or safer type of reactor, but that’s not really the case. They still present most of the problems associated with nuclear reactors. Most of them still need uranium as a fissile material. How are they greener than uranium or plutonium reactors?

Tidal barrages are massively expensive, only intermittently productive and potentially ecologically devastating. Not commercially viable without massive subsidies.

Wave power is a less destructive but even less commercially viable option.

Neither tidal, wave, wind or solar are truly ecologically neutral. This is a lie being sold us. They are cash cows for Big Oil and others busy diversifying, soaking up subsidies. Tidal barrages in particular cost billions and can destroy local economy systems more completely than an oil spill.

We’re being scammed as we have never been scammed before

Chris Rogers
Chris Rogers
Oct 13, 2019 9:58 PM
Reply to  MLS

Tell you what MLS, why don’t we just build oil burning power stations and fuel them with everlasting oil. Far from promoting one kind of energy production and then claiming it to be Green, I personally promote none – I was asked to comment on the Severn Barrage and did so. Now, a wealth of detailed information exists on total power generation, much of it concerned with the Severn Barrage, further, the pro’s and con’s are well known, which is why engineers and ecologists could address them, it only takes money, which funnily enough, given its largely present, is actually limitless. As for Thorium, the amount of uranium required to power them is actually small, a few kilo’s I believe, but issues with separating salt exists – still largely theoretical, hence, my suggestion we bung £10 Billion at it, which is a figure suggested by its proponents. Oil is a… Read more »

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Oct 13, 2019 2:20 PM

…how the car and oil industry criminally conspired to undermine public transport systems in US cities to get the population and urban planners hooked on the car. The conspiracy is ongoing. As I like to point out, those who are responsible for illegal wars, environmental degradation and decline of living standards are also preventing a change of transportation modi, away from one person – one car, towards sophisticated public transportation. The assault is systemic. Here is an article about the intentional wrecking of the German ‘Bundesbahn’ (in German), that was converted into a corporation for the sole purpose to wreck it. Shareholders include car manufacturers. Railway stations are left to rot, rails are destroyed, switches removed and whole parts of the network sold to private investors that remove valuable stretches of public transportation and convert it into commercial business centers. In regard to the bicycle traffic, I never experienced anything… Read more »

mark
mark
Oct 13, 2019 3:52 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

I remember when I was living in Hamburg in 1988, 30 years ago. There was an exhibition comparing life in the city with life 50 years previously, in 1938. One of the main differences was that in 1938 there were 10,000 cars in the Hamburg area. In 1988 there were over half a million, and obviously there are more today. For a time I lived in a small town of about 4,000 in southern England. Older people recounted that just before the war only one person in the town had a car, the local doctor. Electric bicycles are good, though they aren’t cheap. Electric skateboards could be quite useful, but they aren’t street legal at present. Mopeds like the old Puch, Honda 50, or French Solex were masterpieces in their own way, and ideal local transport. Maybe private cars will become obsolete if and when driverless vehicles arrive. Though the… Read more »

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Oct 13, 2019 6:29 PM
Reply to  mark

Older people recounted that just before the war only one person in the town had a car, the local doctor. This is one of the most important assessments in regard to so many issues. It would burst the format to get realy into it. The main point however is, that you can easily convince the masses that there is a need and that need must be satisfied. At the time the only person in town to have a car was the doctor, people lived in multigenerational settings. When children came of age for their own family, an addition was built. Many applications could still be shared. One washer, one dryer (if), one TV and one car. Next thing is that the kids need their own washer, their own fridge and their own car. Next thing is they want their own house. Now they need one of everything for themselves. Leading… Read more »

Chris Rogers
Chris Rogers
Oct 13, 2019 7:00 PM
Reply to  mark

If memory serves me right, there was one moped in the late 70s that returned more than 100 miles to a gallon, and that was two-stroke, the Honda c50 was very economical, and with the leaps made in engine efficiency since the 70s, we could probably squeeze 150 miles out of a single gallon – however, if most folk needing transport relied on two wheels, life would be dandy, regrettably, we have far too many cars used for short journeys with a single occupant Strangely, where I reside, a small island in the South China Sea, cars are banned, so you have to walk or bicycle – you can walk around the island in a day or two quite easily, the only problem being, we have a ugly Electricity Power Station sharing the Island with us – we could be 100% wind reliant, we have a single wind turbine, but… Read more »

mark
mark
Oct 14, 2019 5:24 PM
Reply to  Chris Rogers

The Honda 50 has actually turned in genuine figures of 221 mpg.

Herr Ringbone
Herr Ringbone
Oct 15, 2019 5:37 AM
Reply to  Chris Rogers

To be fair, where you live (the description makes it clear but I won’t say it as you haven’t ) is nothing like the rest of Hong Kong. It’s true that smaller islands lend themselves well to banning cars, though. Cars are mostly banned on the island where l live, too.

Plenty of bicycles in parts of the New Territories, due to things being a bit more spread out and lower traffic density. People insist on riding them on the footpaths even though that is (a) illegal and (b) the roads are safe enough in those places (like the village around Kam Shuen Road MTR).

The ‘real’ HK – the whole urban, Blade Runner-set thing – is a different world to these places.

BigB
BigB
Oct 13, 2019 1:14 PM

Colin is a pretty cool dude: but he is way off the mark here. Even cool, radical, progressive, and ecologically concerned people seem to have no real idea how to cope with the enormity of the task humanity faces just to survive. There is an enormous perception gap between real solutions and sticking plaster illusions. A gap so large – and necessarily exponentially widening – that the daunting will probably instill inertia, rather than spur action. The action required for us to survive is now so radical, few are even willing to contemplate it. Policy makers are only concerned with growth. Policy based on radical – and voluntary – wealth reduction are chimeric. Cognitive blindness is getting deeper and darker by the day. Just as our accumulated problems increase. The inverse proportional cognitive dissonance and lack of awareness compared to the exponentially mounting problems creates a cognitive and enactive praxis… Read more »

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Oct 13, 2019 1:56 PM
Reply to  BigB

Excellent comment, BigB. But I’ll say it again (then hold my tongue forever). You should be writing above the line.

MLS
MLS
Oct 13, 2019 2:55 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

BigB will never offer a piece ATL b/c he knows he would have to provide sources and his certitudes would be shredded by people with actual understanding of the issues he pontificates about with 2nd hand sound bites.

He is good at giving a superficial impression to lay people that he knows what he’s talking about – but he has absolutely no clue, and this is clear once you scratch the surface.

He knows very little about climate science, or science in general. Or economics. Or anthropology. All he does is offer semi-understood commonplace doom-sayer eco stuff picked up from Greenpeace etc. And he post solely to boost his ego.

He’s a somewhat dishonest blowhard who doesn’t want his limitations revealed. He’ll never dare try to get published. Don’t waste your time on him.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Oct 13, 2019 8:44 PM
Reply to  MLS

Hey Admin, I thought ad-hominem attacks were not allowed here?

MLS
MLS
Oct 13, 2019 9:35 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Fuck off Frank. You insult people left right and center if they dare to disagree with you. BigB is a blowhard and know-nothing who dodges away when challenged by anyone with the genuine knowledge he pretends to have.

Look. Listen. Crickets from him since his bluff was called. As usual.

He’ll come back soon, pontificating pompous contradictory pseudo-eco bullshit on some other thread until his bluff is called again

Admin can censor me if they want, it’s still true. BigB is the worst kind of pseudo Left.

Or maybe that’s you.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Oct 17, 2019 11:46 AM
Reply to  MLS

With comments like yours, it’s made it clear to me that during my 3 years reading OffG the lowlife from the far reaches of the internet have crawled to infect this place, a once great site with respectful debate. It’s especially accelerated in the past year.

BigB
BigB
Oct 13, 2019 9:31 PM
Reply to  MLS

Touche: I appear to have touched a raw nerve. You claim to be Mr Science: then immediately deny entropy as part of the material system …and claim that abiotic oil may be a property of geology. Which makes determining the pseudo-scientist difficult, does it not? I’ve explained EROI – and all its relevant concepts – ’till the cows come home. To say I have not is just malicious. Not only that: I have linked to many papers and proof of concept. For which: Hall and Klitgaard’s ‘Energy and the Wealth of Nations’ is the bible. Have you read it yet? Will you ever read it? No, because you would have to take it seriously. Then, you would have to take not just the concept: but the consequences for humanity seriously. Instead you blowhard for the BAU of the corporatocracy: whilst turning on those who would like to survive. If there… Read more »

MLS
MLS
Oct 13, 2019 11:03 PM
Reply to  BigB

You’re twice confused. No one here has ‘denied’ entropy, and the person who questioned your usage of the word (which is not at all the same thing) was not me. I am a professional scientist. We don’t tend to go around denying the 2nd law of thermodynamics. So no worries there. Your comments make it clear you have no understanding of what entropy means while at the same time pontificating as if you do and excoriating people who ask you to support your bald statements with some data. Ditto every other scientific subject you insist on discoursing upon at length. This is annoying. And the reason why my patience with you has been exhausted. Your treatment of abiotic oil is typical. The same high handed bigoted pompous condescension from a position of ignorance that characterises everything you say on matters of science. Abiotic oil is a subject I have studied… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Oct 14, 2019 11:07 PM
Reply to  MLS

Mate: if I were a ‘professional scientist’ who forcibly maintains we are entering a mini ice age; and we will soon be farming the arctic – I’d keep my head low. Your whole philosophy is in entropy denial! I’m talking about the lack of thermodynamic awareness in economics: not the fucking physics. Stop bloveating. I’m talking about a very specific definition applied to biophysical flows. The proof of concept is in the literature I cited. I am not, and never was talking about the broad appliance of the science. I am taking a specific defintion: one you will not check ..so you keep moving the topic to slagging me off. Watch Keen’s video. Or read Hall’s book. The very specific details to which I constantly refer are in there. The way Keen puts it is that we are using an out of date physical model to validate a negentropric economic… Read more »

MLS
MLS
Oct 15, 2019 12:54 AM
Reply to  BigB

Mate: if I were a ‘professional scientist’ who forcibly maintains we are entering a mini ice age; and we will soon be farming the arctic – I’d keep my head low. Your whole philosophy is in entropy denial!

What are you talking about? I have literally never made either of these statements.

Why do you keep blowing smoke like this by just making up stuff I’m supposed to have said and then being fucking pointlessly sarcastic about it?

And you’re still just pouring out pompous gibberish designed to sound authoritative, but signifying nothing.

I know you know about entropy

Well gee that’s weird, since in the previous paragraph you were telling me I am ‘denying’ it. This is a perfect exemplar of my issue with your lack of intellectual honesty and ad hoc assuming of often totally contradictory opinions or ‘facts’.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Oct 17, 2019 11:51 AM
Reply to  MLS

Get some anger therapy sunshine.

lundiel
lundiel
Oct 13, 2019 3:03 PM
Reply to  BigB

Whereas in many of your comments I don’t have a clue what you’re saying, this one is so clear, you can immediately understand and agree.

MLS
MLS
Oct 13, 2019 3:20 PM
Reply to  BigB

What the absolute FUCK is ‘earth Overshoot Day’? Who came up with it? How is it calculated? How COULD it be calculated? How many actual scientists actually endorse this pseudo scientific baloney? Do you have no memory of how many other ‘tipping points’ and other bullshit have already been announced and proved bogus? Yet you just buy this one? Even now it’s clearly and obviously part of an agenda? You have proof positive the same machinery that brought us the War on Terror and ISIS panic and all the other fear narratives are actively promoting this story, actively WANTING to maximise fear to get approval for the brutal agenda they’re already rolling out and yet you just buy these obvious dumbed-down headlines designed to scare? Why is climate change this automatic exemption from scepticism even now? Even when it puts up dumb crap like that? It’s scary and dangerous to… Read more »

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Oct 17, 2019 11:52 AM
Reply to  MLS

Fucking insane

Indeed it appears that you are. Swearing and ranting all over the place. Get some therapy sunshine.

Abigail Winstanley
Abigail Winstanley
Oct 13, 2019 3:53 PM
Reply to  BigB

Can you illustrate which previous civilizations fell by the means of needing to provide for a depleted center? I’ve seen it presented in regard to modern urbanisation but very few comparable examples of such concentration exist in earlier times. None that we know of.

In terms of farming. The whole purpose of non-subsistence farming is to produce surplus therefore the claim of deprivation in the margins in order to provide for the center is counter evidential. A farming surplus is current worldwide. There is no shortage of food, only a crisis of distribution.

If the world cared about hunger we could easily feed the current population and a population much larger than current.

I believe much of this nihilism is actually bred by those benefitting from the current inequalities and concerned with making the ‘problem’ (they don’t see it as such) as insoluble.

BigB
BigB
Oct 14, 2019 12:13 AM

Abigail: I cited Dr Joseph Tainter and Jared Diamond who, inter alia, have researched the ecology of collapse. Tainter’s study of the Western Roman Empire is perhaps the most apposite. The centre is not depleted: it is the base that is depleted by the superstructures of complexity it supports. Investment in complexity is a Law of Diminishing Return. Which means that the ecological base cannot sustain the city or city state: and conquering new territory becomes impossible. Collapse becomes inevitable. It is not just London. There are 69 cities in the UK. And nearly 1,000 cities of more than a million worldwide [Demographia]. Supported by a vast network of globalised supply and value chains; communication networks (the Net; etc); trans-national financialisation; self-organised networked economies; etc. It is a massive network of complexity; with a beyond planetary biocapacity to support it. No, no one is in control. No one decided to… Read more »

Abigail Winstanley
Abigail Winstanley
Oct 14, 2019 3:07 AM
Reply to  BigB

The vast majority of ordinary people would not need to see any reduction in living standards in order to achieve fairer food distribution. Industrial waste and induced shortages through disposal are the major culprits. The food industries throw away enough food annually worldwide to adequately feed every man woman and child. Can you explain this to me? Investment in complexity is a Law of Diminishing Return. Which means that the ecological base cannot sustain the city or city state: and conquering new territory becomes impossible. Collapse becomes inevitable. Where is the diminishing return in a system of supply and demand? I would appreciate specifics if possible. What is the definition of ecological base and why can it not be sustained? I am very suspicious of Malthusian claims such as these that very much dovetail with elitist Gatesian policies of depopulation and enforced feudalism. In particular I believe they create the… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Oct 14, 2019 9:38 PM

So its a long time ago and I have to move stuff around. I cut four rounds from trees and invent the wheel. It is not round and not very efficient. So I learn to make perfectly round wheels from parts: solid wheels then spoked hubs with rims. Each improvement is the result of low tech and low invested energy: resulting in huge gains in performance. And not just for my back. We can all achieve so much more. Now think of a racing slick. How much energy do we have to invest in getting a 0.2% increase in efficiency in the rain? Now think of the internet and the huge advance (relatively) from dial-up modems to fibre optics. Or 14 nanometre chip technology. There are limits and breaking those limits is hugely costly the more technologically and socially complex things become. Energy that could be invested elsewhere – in… Read more »

Abigail Winstanley
Abigail Winstanley
Oct 15, 2019 12:25 AM
Reply to  BigB

I’m sorry I don’t understand how this is an answer to my question. I asked for simple specifics about how diminishing returns affect supply and demand. I don’t see how this very long post about industrial farming and all the rest of it is relevant. And I don’t see anywhere in all that an answer to my actual question.

BigB
BigB
Oct 15, 2019 11:19 PM

Gail Tverberg’s recent blog post might have the supply/demand answers you seek. Supply is demand constrained. Without investment or real returns: all commodity prices drop. Which is bad for producers. And the entire networked global economy.

https://ourfiniteworld.com/2019/09/12/our-energy-and-debt-predicament-in-2019/#more-44049

I’m sorry: I thought that you might get that the only real resource – absent cheap hydrocarbons – that can produce a surplus is the land.

If, in the ultimate supply/demand dynamics, in our actual fantasy race to burn all the hydrocarbons we can, as soon as we can – we degrade the only surplus producing asset we will have left …to the point that it may be unusable …there will be neither much supply or demand post-capitalism.

Which is Colin’s main concern: when he’s not talking about bikes.

Antonym
Antonym
Oct 13, 2019 12:43 PM

Denmark’s population: 5.8 million. Copenhagen city: 0.8 million.
Delhi city: 11 million.

Antonym
Antonym
Oct 13, 2019 12:31 PM

Denmark sets up temporary border control with Sweden after attacks
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-denmark-border-sweden/denmark-sets-up-temporary-border-control-with-sweden-after-attacks-idUKKBN1WP0V2?

Those damn Vikings at it again…

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Oct 13, 2019 12:54 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Those damn invaders from the East again, they’ve been at it for centuries.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Oct 13, 2019 12:01 PM

This is a good discussion but it may not be suitable for all cities. I lived in Glasgow as a young man and did cycle to work some of the time, but when Atlantic storms blew in and wind was 40mph or higher, cycling becomes extremely unpleasant, not to mention occasionally dangerous. The other discussion concerns distance of commute. In smaller cities the commute is usually cycle friendly, but 15-20 miles each way becomes beyond the desire of a majority of would-be cyclists. So cities like London, Paris, Moscow, LA, NYC etc need to think about housing strategies joined up with cycling strategies, setting targets of 80% of people able to live within 5 miles of work (in cost terms, obviously if people wish to live in suburbia they should not be denied that choice). As for climate change, there really has to be a rejection of propaganda and a… Read more »

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Oct 13, 2019 12:53 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Good post, apart from this scientifically incorrect statement:

Carbon dioxide is not the warming driver people claim it to be

Plain citizen
Plain citizen
Oct 13, 2019 12:56 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Excellent piece. Needs train/tram/bike co ordination. The unrealistic ‘back to the stone age’ solutions of extinction rebellion and their fellow travellers are based on and made up science and statistics.

BigB
BigB
Oct 13, 2019 2:42 PM
Reply to  Plain citizen

Plain Citizen; Rhys Jaggar: I invite either of you to put the case for negentropic economic expansion. Or even just to review the literature on entropy and collapse: very little of which is contingent on climate science. There is a problem you will encounter. In order to continue even sustainable growth – you have to refute entropy and the Arrow of Time. In order for it to be reversible: which can only be achieved by prodigious feats of imagination. Entropy is measurable in a physical system. It will always tend to increase. Exergy – which is the measure of energy available for work …including all economic activity – MUST decrease globally with time. Which means that economies will shrink – not grow – exponentially across time. Having first become energy imperialists: in order to maintain the illusion of growth. Anything else is imagination. Recent research from Leeds AC found that… Read more »

Plain Citizen
Plain Citizen
Oct 13, 2019 4:21 PM
Reply to  BigB

First what is EROI? and who are Leeds AC? How do you know the relevant figures for this are 6.2:1, 11:1 14:1 etc etc! Any evidence or sources? I would say in all courtesy if you want your propositions or arguments to respected please let them be intelligible. There is more jargon here than in online gamers slang. If economic collapse is already underway because we cannot convert 100% of a systems thermal energy into useful mechanical work (entropy) how is it that the human population has grown for the last few hundred thousand years as has the energy produced by human activity. And there is loads of potential energy left. Don’t forget in nuclear fission less than one third of an ounce of matter was converted into energy in the first atomic explosion, and if you try pushing your car for 40 miles you will see how much energy… Read more »

MLS
MLS
Oct 13, 2019 4:31 PM
Reply to  Plain Citizen

Prediction: BigB will either avoid you because he knows you know more than he does, or he’ll try and bluff through with more meaningless waffle to impress his non-aware fans

Plain Citizen
Plain Citizen
Oct 13, 2019 5:21 PM
Reply to  MLS

Thank you.

Chris Rogers
Chris Rogers
Oct 13, 2019 6:46 PM
Reply to  Plain Citizen

Plain Citizen,
You can always pop over to John Michael Greer’s Blog and see him discussing EROI, fully explained, or, visit James Howard Kunstler’s Blog, and a plethora of other Blogs too, which many on these boards visit regularly, indeed, why not swing by WrongKindofGreen, or, do I need to give links to each Blog mentioned as utilising DuckDuckGo or Google is a tough task?

BigB
BigB
Oct 14, 2019 1:29 AM
Reply to  Plain Citizen

Plain Citizen: I’m sorry: but you are a bit late to the party. If I cite everything I have ever cited before: all I would ever be able to do is set the context for what I want to say. Everything has been cited previously, though – and linked to. I did a whole series of comments on the Leeds AC stuff. Unfortunately, it is behind a paywall: but here is the link: https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/10/4/534 From the abstract: “We obtain initial results for the UK for the period 1997–2012, which show that the country’s EROI has been declining since the beginning of the 21st Century.” Your assessment of the energy situation is common: and completely misinformed. If you truly want to understand why: I recommend Hall and Klitgaard’s ‘Energy and the Wealth of Nations’. Absolute amounts – quantities – of resources do not matter. It is quality that counts. And all… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Oct 14, 2019 9:59 PM
Reply to  Editor

Editor I’ll tell you why I do not link anymore. When I link: that’s when I have trouble posting. Your new editor software seems to strip out tags too; or maybe it is just me. Many a time I’ve set up blockquotes: only to see the comment without them. On the old site: I could drop the ‘http’ and post multiple links for readers to reconstitute. Now the whole comment goes into your spam folder or is shredded in cyberspace. In the current instance: the research I have been using is paywalled. I have not been able to find open access copies. Nafeez Ahmed used the same research to draw similar conclusions. It seems people want to shoot the messenger rather than admit that things are getting really, really, bad. Anyone can search for terms if they really want. If they wanted: they would probably know the terminology anyway. The… Read more »

Bodhran Player
Bodhran Player
Oct 14, 2019 10:37 AM
Reply to  BigB

The Leeds AC study is a good example of how certain environmentalists et al apply Hall’s original and simple ratio observation in unscientific but politically charged ways.

They apply new and poorly defined criteria, such as energy prices, in order to manufacture a declining ‘eroi’.

Energy pricing is not a legitimate factor in assessing eroi!

In pure input output terms, as originally defined, the eroi of fossil fuels remains consistently high, reflecting the consistent energy output currently required to obtain it and the consistent energy it produces.

Artificially lowering this eroi is part of the pseudo-green exploitation currently being exposed. One aim is to on paper justify more massive expenditure on so called renewables with eroi so low they have no future other than as scams to enrich the already wealthy at our expense

BigB
BigB
Oct 14, 2019 10:33 PM
Reply to  Bodhran Player

You’re right: the Leeds analysis is bullshit. They say the low EROI of oil is an opportunity to switch to renewables – with EROIs of 2-3:1 – without any disruption. Which is almost criminal in its negligence. They are a policy unit. They say what the paymaster wants to hear. That’s academia. What’s wrong with taking their data-sets and doing our own analysis? Their forecasts and conclusions are delusions. As Hall already said: at 3:1 – you can take resources out of the ground and drive them to where you want to look at them. Not carry on a fully functional society capable of sustainable growth. And then you make you’re own unsubstantiated claim about EROI. If we are going to be more precise: it’s exergy economics we need to talk about. Tim Morgan is the go to source here. Fossil fuels have never produced constant input/output ratios. Exergy tends… Read more »

MLS
MLS
Oct 14, 2019 10:44 AM
Reply to  BigB

we cannot grow forever on a lonely rock, fourth from the sun.

Ah, so you’re living on Mars, BigB! So much is now explained!

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Oct 13, 2019 5:22 PM
Reply to  BigB

Compression and expansion are part of Life at all levels – but in terms of human consciousness and society, compression is a qualitative shift to do more with less – where more is a qualitative relaes of quantitative tax-burdens – and I use the term for ‘overheads’. If your problems are fundamentally relational – no amount of manufactured junk is going to resolve them – but it can be marketed (overhead) and consumed (overhead) as a means of keeping the relational issues hidde, out of sight and out of mind. However all of you (and others) relational issues are still active – regardless they are pushed from awareness and responsibility, and are now reflecting back as the realm of marketed ‘solutions’ that of course seem to be new problems that attract ‘socio-political’ solutions that lock in the problems as being out there in the world. During a period of expansion,… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 13, 2019 3:49 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

“Until politicians are properly educated”…?

Today’s politicians are bred to succeed, not to know.
Knowledge impedes their progress, and they find it an annoying distraction.

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Oct 13, 2019 10:31 AM

Oil and coal seemed to be a new power for us to wield – and with it we extended our understanding of mechanical relationships as an extension of capabilities. This answered some problems while always opening new ones as a result and we became dependent on a progression of problem-shifting in search of answers that are never enough. But in making technology ‘the answer’, we bring relational issues and conflicts to it as a way to NOT face or own our true individual needs and thus our relational coherence – for we exist in relation, not in and of a self apart and alone. We thus project onto, and bring into, the realm of science and technology, all of the evils of our personal fears and conflicts, so as to subject ourselves and each other to evils under the deeply invested belief we are aligned in an ‘Answer’ – while… Read more »

Plain citizen
Plain citizen
Oct 13, 2019 1:13 PM
Reply to  Brian Steere

I’ve only got a couple of degrees so this comment is way beyond me intellectually. What is your conclusion re the Todhunter article? Can you summarise what you are saying in 1 sentence for me?

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Oct 13, 2019 4:31 PM
Reply to  Plain citizen

We need to stop identifying in thinking that we know – in order to truly understand ANYTHING.

Stopping may first require a slowing down – yes thats two sentences – one for each degree.

If you cannot understand – either be curious and learn something or follow something that does call forth your curiosity – but you THINK you understand and so act from what you have accepted true in the comment.

There’s a whole world of quick soundbytes in doublethink for you out there – what is it that attracted you to engage with my post?

Why do those who deal in shit never actually engage in any point at all?

Plain Citizen
Plain Citizen
Oct 13, 2019 5:19 PM
Reply to  Brian Steere

Do you think you understand? Or is there an unknown unknown?
I’m struggling to grasp your point.
Often said the sign of a deep and clever thinker is the ability to express ideas clearly and succinctly.
Could be the medication?

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Oct 13, 2019 6:03 PM
Reply to  Plain Citizen

My succinct summary for you was to the article. I am not seeking to reinforce what you already ‘know’. What we ‘already know’ recycles itself as the human condition – but there are opportunities to gain perspective instead of losing it for the illusion of definition as a means to control. You seek to frame this in personalities – as if you know or I think I know. I have no interest whatsoever in engaging there – excepting perhaps in a spontaneous recognition of shared appreciation. The ideas, themes and often unconscious and internalised and therefore invisible definitions and beliefs are what I share my perspective in for others to interact with or not as they are moved. I don’t seek to be a deep and clever thinker so much a willing to ask and to listen and to report what I receive and accept true – which must then… Read more »

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Oct 13, 2019 6:17 PM
Reply to  Brian Steere

You learn from your own willingness to open to what you hadn’t opened before – I am not presuming to teach you anything that you are not already learning in your life already. But I am demonstrating by example an expression that you can use or interact with as your freedom to draw your own insight from.
This is always the case. Personality cults are diversionary cover story for the translation to judgements over life – rather than discernments within life.
You read me perhaps as if I am making inflated claims for my person. If you notice me doing this – let me know.
If you have a real point to engage with me in – I am interested in the point.

John A
John A
Oct 13, 2019 10:03 AM

Copenhagen has also just spent 25 billion or so Danish kroner on a new city ring metro line and is expanding other metro lines to make getting around easier for people who for whatever reasons, cannot walk or cycle.

Antonym
Antonym
Oct 13, 2019 12:37 PM
Reply to  John A

Delhi is also busy with its metro: http://delhimetrorail.com/Corridors.aspx

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Oct 13, 2019 6:24 PM
Reply to  John A

While its is oil under the bridge now – the Oil cartels -Rockefeller et al systematically attacked public transport – trams and trains to induce the dependency on oil via private car ownership. This was touched on in Myths Lies and Oil Ward by Engdahl along with many other points of political development via social engineering, war and mind/market capture.

lundiel
lundiel
Oct 13, 2019 9:15 AM

I walk my dog every day and have to say, I find a certain type of cyclist to be arrogant and dangerous, especially with more and more electric bikes on the pavements/footpaths nowadays. They (cyclists) have also become strident lobbyists for their cause, the cause which seems to me to be middle-aged men donning lycra and riding as fast as possible generating much testosterone for their next sweary, possibly violent encounter with pedestrians. Apart from that bikes are OK.

peugeott
peugeott
Oct 13, 2019 12:32 PM
Reply to  lundiel

I agree , I too walk my two Border Collies in a nature park which cyclists also use, but I’m convinced they don’t understand that when they’re coming behind you, you can’t hear them. if for example you were to bend down to pick up a ball or something, they would be on top of you, you’re not aware of their presence until they’re at the side of you, and very very seldom do you get some kind of audible alarm.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Oct 13, 2019 2:32 PM
Reply to  lundiel

It seems to be fair to book that under ‘egotism’. People that are only full of themselves are inconsiderate towards others. The mode of transportation is secondary. Self-absorbed p****s might still be better with two wheels than with four (or more…). It is society, the collective that needs to change in order to emphasize the fact how misguided these folks are. Right now, might makes right and that includes of course traffic.

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 13, 2019 4:06 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Yep. It’s the usual thing: Due consideration for cyclists has been transformed into fear that the cyclist lobby will assume all the traffic rights in existence, while mere motorists – not to mention pedestrians – will always be in the wrong. As you say, “a certain type of cyclist”, i.e. not all cyclists, will plug in his earphones, jam a safety helmet on top of them and turn up the volume to levels which drown out all background noise. He will then careen at full speed across a busy road, feeling that his support group will protect him against all eventualities, including getting squished by a lorry driving at normal speed, in the right lane, and according to the current traffic signs. My wife and I were taking a walk recently and a cyclist whooshed past us from behind, narrowly missing my wife. She instinctively shouted at him, “Stop!”, and… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 13, 2019 4:10 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I should add that I find particularly worrying the now-common spectacle of cyclists who don’t even look right or left when crossing a road, obviously lost in the music they are listening to…

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Oct 13, 2019 9:08 AM

Cycling is all very well and should be part of an overall transport package, but is not really a solution for the old and very young, disabled and pregnant women. Walking and public transport should be part of a strategic transport system for urban conurbations. And this is wholly feasible. I live on the edge of south London bordering on Surrey and in the last few years a tramlink system has been built carrying passengers from right across southwest to southeast London. The trams are cheap, reliable and clean with plenty of seats, and it is to be extended into other areas of south London with plans are laid down for development in north London. The trams are integrated into a transport system which also includes buses, overground trains, and underground trains. Unfortunately these latter transport systems were privatised during the Thatcher years and, predictably, have become inefficient, overpriced and… Read more »

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Oct 13, 2019 12:50 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

It’s enouraging to see a few UK cities have trams now. Manchester probably has the best one and I think now goes all the way to the airport.

mark
mark
Oct 13, 2019 4:01 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

This took £1.5 billion and years to build. It was massively behind schedule and over budget.
It was a nightmare for local people and businesses.
The main problem with trams is you have to dig up every inch of the route and remove and relocate every pipe and cable.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Oct 13, 2019 8:41 PM
Reply to  mark

But once it’s in, it’s job done, and offers The massive advantage of mass transportation, just like a railway.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Oct 13, 2019 2:39 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

but is not really a solution for the old and very young, disabled and pregnant women

That’s because no efforts are made to change that. As you may know, there are Rikshas (sic), where one pedaler can transport two tourists, or goods. This principle could be upgraded with closed compartments for those you mentioned, for any of the members of these groups the transportation is the important part. But it won’t work in a society where the delusion reigns that ‘time is money’. In a more tranquil society, I don’t see why there shouldn’t be transportation powered by muscles. They even have some sophisticated four wheeled, four pedaler vehicles now. Although those are made for the sports fanatics…

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Oct 13, 2019 7:36 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

Example of Quadricycle (Surrey)

More on their website that I won’t link to since there are prices on it. But they have lots of models that are for four people. Imagine a hull for unfriendly weather. Can it go any more environmentally friendly?

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Oct 13, 2019 7:53 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

Found this onw, too. It goes to show just how many amazing people are working on solutions.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Oct 13, 2019 9:04 AM

Another excellent, absolutely spot-on article from Colin.

I’m especially interested in this topic, having qualified as an urban planner myself, albeit not practicing it, I found the actuality of UK planning departments to be steeped in negativity and corrupted by the politicians sitting on planning committees, pursuing their own selfish interests and of their corporate paymasters.

I now spend my days trying to re-green the planet. The sooner more countries take these issues seriously, the better it will be for everyone. Unfortunately, the neoliberals are parasites and rapists, we need to fight for The balanced politics and economies as traditionally practiced in Scandinavia and a few other enlightened European countries, their social democratic model, although not perfect, is the best we’ve every come up with.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Oct 13, 2019 12:48 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Admin, PLEASE enable the possibility to edit our posts, at least for 5 minutes, or until someone responds or votes. We were promised this feature before the upgrade, but still to see it, apart from a brief cameo appearance. Thanks in anticipation.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Oct 13, 2019 9:01 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

I spent two hours today writing on my blackboard:

I shall proof read before hitting “Post Comment”.
I shall proof read before hitting “Post Comment”.
I shall proof read before hitting “Post Comment”…

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Oct 14, 2019 8:00 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

Not everyone is anal retentative.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Oct 14, 2019 8:01 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Even anal retentive!

Chris Rogers
Chris Rogers
Oct 13, 2019 3:08 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Might be a good idea to come visit the Welsh National Assembly and knock some sense into them – every economic/transport report they produce is dripping with neoliberal ‘buzz’ words and fantasy solutions to some really big socioeconomic issues, which is a great shame as Wales, with a small population and small cities (Cardiff, Newport and Swansea) could actually benefit greatly if ecologically sound sustainability was embraced with enhanced low carbon transport, instead, they are still fixated on cars/trucks, rather than tram, rail and canal transportation.