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How will History Remember Russia’s Role in Syria?

Ahmed al-Khalid

The former US Marine Corps Intelligence Officer, and former United Nations Weapons Inspector, Scott Ritter puts the question in his article: how will historians come to appreciate what Russia accomplished in Syria?

The analyst has criticized the US’ policy and represented Russia as a major positive power in Syrian conflict. Is it really so?

Let’s check and discuss the alternative view of the journalist.

At a time when the credibility of the United States as either an unbiased actor or reliable ally lies in tatters, Russia has emerged as the one major power whose loyalty to its allies is unquestioned, and whose ability to serve as an honest broker between seemingly intractable opponents is unmatched”

It’s perfectly clear to everyone that the USA always use the double-standards policy in their international business. The recent example is an unexpected withdrawal of American troops from Syria and Washington’s approval to create the so-called “safe-zone”.

This move has allowed Turkey to launch a “Peace Spring” military operation aimed at elimination of Kurdish militia – the main US’ allies in Syria.

The Kurdish leadership and average citizens perceived it as a univocal betrayal. At the same time the Kurds have bought into idea of increasing cooperation with the legitimate Syrian Government and Russia.

The U.S. was spearheading a covert program to provide weapons and equipment to anti-Assad forces, funneling shipments from Libya through Turkey and into rebel-controlled areas of Syria. This CIA-run effort, which eventually morphed into a formal operation known as Timber Sycamore, helped fuel an increase in the level of violence inside Syria.”

Obviously, intelligence agencies launched a covert program in 2012 which included smuggling weapons and terrorists training activities. This CIA program included funding, weapon supply and training of rebels who fought against Assad.

According to US officials, thousands of rebels were trained.

President Obama gave a secret order to the CIA to start supplying weaponry to Syrian rebels in 2013.

Jane’s Information Group had also confirmed a tender procedure on weaponry shipment. There also was an offer on the US Federal Business Opportunities website for a weapon shipment from Eastern Europe to Tasucu city in Turkey and Aqaba in Jordan. This offer was deleted later.

By the way, everybody remembers the recent breaking news when journalists discovered the US-controlled method of weapons smuggling from Eastern Europe to militants in Syria.

The Russians suggested a solution — the disarmament of Syrian chemical weapons under the supervision of the Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW). When Secretary of State John Kerry opened the door to that possibility, Russia and Syria jumped on the opportunity, paving the way for one of the great disarmament achievements of modern times, an action that won the OPCW the Nobel Peace Prize for 2013. The disarmament of Syria’s chemical weapons was a huge success, for which Russia received little recognition, despite the major role it played in conceiving and overseeing its implementation.”

It’s hard to say that Russia providing its peacekeeping mission in disarmament of CW expected the West’s recognition. Despite that, Assad’s CW disarmament was one of the main things which prevented the escalation of the Syrian conflict, and direct US military intervention.

Russia’s success showed the readiness of the Syrian President to hold negotiations and compromise. The Kremlin managed to turn the conflict’s focus toward dialogue.

Moreover, the process of CW disarmament – which was witnessed by international specialists – didn’t stop, but drastically reduced the number of provocations with chemical weapons. The last one was prepared by “Hayat Tahrir al Sham” extremists. However it was prevented.

The impact of the Russian intervention was as dramatic as it was decisive. Almost immediately, the Russian air force helped turn the tide on the field of battle, allowing the Syrian army to launch attacks against both the anti-Assad opposition and Islamic State after years of losing ground.”

This claim does not need to be proved. It’s obvious that Russia’s support has dramatically changed the power balance – mostly with the help of Russian aviation and military advisors.

Russia has long-time experience in fighting radical Islamists inside their own country. That’s why Russian skills have saved Syria from imminent transformation into a middle-century Califate.

Whether American historians will ever be capable of doing the same is unknown. But this much is true: In the years to come, children will be born of parents whose lives were not terminated or otherwise destroyed by a larger Syrian conflict that almost assuredly would have transpired if not for the honest broker services provided by Russia.”

The main idea of this story is not who’s name will be written in history books. Will this most fierce and bloody conflict be able to end during our history? That is the main idea.

Russia has proven its potential to be a peacemaker, and this has given Syria a chance to save its history, culture and heritage.

The West also can help to do that, just by its inactivity. All they must do is stop preventing Assad and Moscow restoring peace in the Arab Republic.

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mark
mark
Nov 18, 2019 7:49 PM

Trump has just recognised the illegal West Bank settlements, along with Zionist occupied East Jerusalem and the Golan area.

It should keep Adelson and all his Zionist puppet masters happy.

Vexarb
Vexarb
Nov 17, 2019 8:46 AM

Cut&Paste from Moon of Alabama re “We’re only here for the Oil”:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/11/author-of-the-keep-the-oil-mission-already-distances-himself-from-its-foreseeable-failure.html#more

Canthama said something similar:
“There is a division in the US, whether this is genuine or not I do not know, but the US seems divided between the warmongers team and the “let get this clean up” team, I understand the Dem party, CIA and part of the Pentagon favor more conflict with Syria, and clearly there is another group trying to get out of this mess. I see Trump playing all sides, but trying once more to leave. The oil thing is BS, the US is pumping very low amount – Russia said $30M, the US says $40M – most of it sold back to the Syrian Gov thru the SDC: the US is merely trying to keep the SDC afloat with some money to pay back the US for goods shipped to them…weapons. It is that simple.”

Vexarb
Vexarb
Nov 17, 2019 8:50 AM
Reply to  Vexarb

“Oh show me the way to the next oil well” — with apologies to Bertolt Brecht.

https://youtu.be/uJ0oHLwEVRc?t=3

mark
mark
Nov 16, 2019 7:05 PM

Russia was certainly important, as was Hezbollah and the IRGC.
But you have to remember that the bulk of the fighting was done by the Syrian Army and People.
They fought back heroically against the Axis Of Evil, the United Snakes, Kosherstan, Shady Wahabia, Sultan Erdogan, the slimy Gulf Dictatorships, and Washington’s satraps in France and the UK.
These state sponsors of terror flooded Syria with hundreds of thousands of takfiri head choppers and throat slitters from over 100 countries, with no coherent objectives other than a licence to murder, rape, torture, maim, loot, burn and enslave to their hearts’ content.
These charming folk were armed, trained, paid, transported and orchestrated with western taxpayers’ money and Gulf oil money. It’s difficult to estimate how much money they poured into this, but it was certainly in the many tens if not hundreds of billions. £3 billion of UK taxpayers’ money alone went into this latest Zionist regime change project. A single arms deal Qatar did with Croatia cost $5 billion. The Shadies were buying tanks for them from Ukraine, 100 at a time. They were certainly much better equipped than the Syrian forces defending their country from the most barbaric subhuman terrorist filth on the planet.
Those nice folks at the Guardian and the rest of the MSM gave Syria a maximum of 6 months before Syria went the same way as other Zionist targets like Iraq and Libya.
But not for the first time, they underestimated Syria, which has always been remarkably resilient in resisting the Axis of Evil. They fought back with 50 year old T54s and MIG 21s., manned by troops paid $50 a month. They shot down Zionist aircraft with 5o year old museum piece S200s.
And with allied help, they have won, albeit at tremendous cost. The aggression against Syria is a busted flush. It is going nowhere, and the repercussions and recriminations will take many years to work their way through the system, like ripples in a pond. An awful lot of pigeons will be coming home to roost.
Syria has survived. If Venezuela manages to endure the same Axis of Evil, aggression will have been defeated, particularly as Washington’s quisling stooges are overthrown one by one in Chile, Ecuador, Brazil, Argentina, Haiti, Ukraine, and now Bolivia.
But none of this would have been possible without the courage, determination and endurance of the Syrian people, army and leadership, which stood firm against all the odds and resisted the most powerful and most evil countries on the planet.

Vexarb
Vexarb
Nov 16, 2019 7:36 AM

Cut&paste New York – UN General Assembly reaffirmed by overwhelming majority Syria’s sovereignty over occupied Golan and over its resources, demanding Israeli occupation authorities cease exploiting, damaging, squandering, depleting, or endangering its natural resources. Resolution entails for UN Secretarty-General António Guterres present report on implementation of resolution at 76th session of General Assembly.

https://sana.sy/en/?p=178497

Antonym
Antonym
Nov 16, 2019 7:56 AM
Reply to  Vexarb

So nothing about Turkish occupation of Syrian territory: that’s today’s Islamitised UN in a nut shell. Having 47 states with your religion as majority does pay off https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_Organisation_of_Islamic_Cooperation
Basically fake divides for one global Ummah.

mark
mark
Nov 16, 2019 10:51 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Nobody is allowed to criticise our precious Kosherstan unless they have first criticised every other country on the planet, cured cancer and solved the problems of world hunger and global warming. Then all they need to do is apply for permission in writing beforehand from the Board of Deputies and the Friends of Israel.

Antonym
Antonym
Nov 16, 2019 12:47 PM
Reply to  mark

You must be doing that all day before your zillion snarks at Zionism. Your Israel tunnel vision is blocking out the rest of the ME and their totalitarian ideology. Affecting the rest of Asia, Africa and now Europe again, much deeper and devastating than Jewish religion ever did. 200 x more babies get born in Muslim homes than in Jewish ones world wide, but hey, details.

Paul
Paul
Nov 15, 2019 6:13 PM

It’s the little things that sometimes tell you what’s happening. I remember the time 3 Under 16’s from a London school set out for Syria to marry Jihadists. It was a log journey. TV showed them waiting on the Turkish-Syrian border for a public bus to take them to the rebels. Did the government even ask the Turks to stop them? Or was everybody pleased the rebels fighting Assad would have some comfort. Later, Ms Begum survived but the British took away her British citizenship leaving her in a camp to rot.

Troll
Troll
Nov 15, 2019 11:06 AM

Russia has experience both fighting and producing Islamists through the predictable consequence of its brutal actions in Chechnya.

mark
mark
Nov 15, 2019 12:15 PM
Reply to  Troll

These are the pet proxy head choppers and throat slitters serving the interests of Washington and Tel Aviv in Iraq, Syria, Russia, China, and wherever else their Islamist Gurkhas are required to cause chaos and mayhem. They are monkeys dancing to the tune of their western organ grinders.

Russia and Iraq have had to go through protracted full scale wars to crush this quisling vermin, and of course Syria is currently going through its own Calvary. The same is planned for China shortly. This is in the pipeline.

London is a cosy sanctuary for Islamist terrorists on the MI6 payroll who have murdered hundreds of children. Sometimes there is a price to be paid for this when things like the Manchester Arena happen.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Nov 15, 2019 6:54 PM
Reply to  Troll

According to Yossef Bodansky, then the Director of the US Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, Washington was actively involved in “yet another anti-Russian jihad seeking to support and empower the most virulent anti-Western Islamist forces….the US saw the sponsorship of Islamist jihad in the Caucasus as a means to deprive Russia of a viable pipeline route through spiralling violence and terrorism”.

https://newint.org/features/2009/10/01/blowback-extended-version

Antonym
Antonym
Nov 15, 2019 3:04 AM

The only reason Putin assisted Assad was to secure the Russian naval facility in Tartus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus

The Russian navy always had confined access to open waters; their Black Sea base was threatened on the Krim and to get out they have to pass two very narrow straits in Turkey plus either past Gibraltar or the Suez canal. A base in the Med gives them some relieve for repairs and refueling etc.

Self interest – the fundament of most foreign policies.

Actually this Syrian uncivil war speed-ed up Putin’s hold on Tartus:

On 18 January 2017, Russia and Syria signed an agreement, effective forthwith, whereunder Russia would be allowed to expand and use the naval facility at Tartus for 49 years on a free-of-charge basis and enjoy sovereign jurisdiction over the base

Tony
Tony
Nov 15, 2019 4:36 AM
Reply to  Antonym

What does your quote about Russia leasing a naval base from Syria have to do with your daft claim that Russia’s involvement “speeded up” the war? Russia’s involvement certainly speeded up the end of the war, as events have proven.

Antonym
Antonym
Nov 15, 2019 4:57 AM
Reply to  Tony

Too much speed reading, vivid imagination, projection….?

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Nov 15, 2019 5:14 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Building naval bases for power projection is very old school, it really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense these days, especially for a very large continental power such as Russia. I think they’re genuinely interested in combating extremism in the ME because its almost in their backyard. We in the West have a naval mindset because our empires were built back when the only practical way of traveling long distances was by sea. As a result in never occurs to us that you can actually drive — or even walk — from the ME to Europe, its not that far**. Russia’s a whole lot closer to the trouble spots so they have a vested interest in having everyone live in peace and harmony. (…and Syria was actually pretty peaceful and harmonious until we started encouraging ‘democracy’)

(**I live in the western US and the journey from Syria to Western Europe — or Moscow — is like going from California to Texas. Obviously the roads and land borders would make the journey a lot less routine in Europe & Asia than bowling along I-10 but the point is that these trouble spots are not on a different planet, they’re literally “just over there”.)

lundiel
lundiel
Nov 15, 2019 9:16 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Exactly. Thousands of fighters who went to Syria did so expressly to fight against Russia.

mark
mark
Nov 15, 2019 5:33 AM
Reply to  Antonym

This is garbage.
Tartus is totally irrelevant. It is a red herring, a nothing burger.
It is no Pearl Harbour, Gibraltar or Singapore.
It is basically just a warehouse at the end of a jetty.
Russia isn’t going to fight a war for a warehouse and a jetty.
For most of its history there have been no Russian warships there.
The idea of Russia expanding into warm waters is a 19th century Victorian fantasy.
You might as well talk of Russia trying to take over India, another 19th century British imperial bugbear.
Russia has had access to limited facilities there which have largely remained unused throughout its life.

The self interest involved in Russia’s involvement in Syria is a desire to fight the takfiris as far away from Russia as possible.
Not to have to go through another Washington/ Zionist inspired Islamist terror campaign in the Caucasus, as it has before. Something that is now being directed against China’s Xinjiang.
That is where their interest lies.
That is the reason for their involvement.

Willem
Willem
Nov 15, 2019 10:11 AM
Reply to  mark

‘The self interest involved in Russia’s involvement in Syria is a desire to fight the takfiris as far away from Russia as possible.
Not to have to go through another Washington/ Zionist inspired Islamist terror’

It is that, but also that Russia has an interest selling their gas to Europe, instead of that Qatar (or Iran) sells their gas to Europe. As long as there is war in Syria, there will be no gas flowing from Syria (either from Qatar or Iran) to Europe.

Or ask yourself the question: why didn’t the Russian end the war in Syria?

I would love to think that Russia is ‘good’, but prefer to stick to the facts that show that this war in Syria is all about the money of Exxon vs Gazprom

mark
mark
Nov 15, 2019 12:22 PM
Reply to  Willem

It’s true that a policy of economic strangulation against Russia was involved. Anti Nordstream, pro Qatar, pro Nabucco. Obviously this has been stopped without a pliable quisling regime in Damascus serving Washington’s and Zionist interests. But the security motivation was the key factor in intervention.

Willem
Willem
Nov 15, 2019 10:03 PM
Reply to  Willem

Many downvotes… I understand, as I would love to see Russia as ‘the good guy’ who fought a ‘good war’

But there is no such thing as a ‘good war’. Russia played its cards well, it’s the good guy, or ‘good cop’ in the game of good cop, bad cop. But Russia is not going to save Syria or us from the billionaires. At most they will replace our billionaires with their billionaires.

If you want peace, you have to fight for it yourself. Don’t expect that any country will do it for us. I understand that is not a nice conclusion, and for that reason, I get downvotes. If it was only so easy…

Antonym
Antonym
Nov 15, 2019 1:16 PM
Reply to  mark

The self interest involved in Russia’s involvement in Syria is a desire to fight the takfiris as far away from Russia as possible.

As far away from Russia would be the Philippines, Indonesia, Somalia or North Nigeria.

Russia was also keen on the Krim for the real reason, their navy station. Except for a few nuclear powered ships, the rest needs to refuel regularly, all need re-supply of food, minor repairs etc. They also like to keep Turkey a bit nervous, as Erdogan could throttle Black Sea access.

nwwoods
nwwoods
Nov 15, 2019 2:36 PM
Reply to  mark

Indeed a 2019 capture on Google Maps depicts at most 5 naval vessels at Tartus. Devastating!

mark
mark
Nov 16, 2019 4:35 AM
Reply to  nwwoods

Those few ships are there to support the Russian forces deployed in Syria.
When the intervention in Syria ends, they will return to Sevastopol.

Antonym
Antonym
Nov 16, 2019 5:14 AM
Reply to  mark

Russia lost mayor shipyards to the Ukraine because of the US induced conflict; one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_ship-repair_factory
(Not to mention many other hardware factories)

US mil-industrial complex neutered Russia while China laughed its way to the banks and tanks.

nwwoods
nwwoods
Nov 15, 2019 2:31 PM
Reply to  Antonym

“the only reason”

↑Crack analysis right here↑ Or should that read anal cyst?

mark
mark
Nov 15, 2019 1:27 AM

The Russian intervention was a masterpiece of economy of force.
28 aircraft, 4 fighters, 12 old SU24 bombers and 12 old SU25 ground attack aircraft.
Immediately put a stop to US and Turkish oil smuggling to Israel.
Steadily ground down the western created head choppers and throat slitters and put a stop to their orchestrated campaign of murder, maiming, torture, rape, looting and enslaving.
The hundreds of thousands of pieces of human sewage poured into the country were steadily sent to the paradise none of them believe in.
The tens and tens of billions poured into the operation by those same interests were wasted.
Syria will survive, thanks to the courage and endurance of its leadership, army and people, with the support of its allies.
Syria is the Stalingrad on which US and Zionist aggression have foundered.
Hence the hysterical smears against Russia.

edited by Admin to correct typo

Antonym
Antonym
Nov 15, 2019 5:06 AM
Reply to  mark

Turkish oil smuggling to Israel.

Syrian and Kurdish oil was sold in Turkey to the highest bidder, which could be anybody.

mark
mark
Nov 15, 2019 5:37 AM
Reply to  Antonym

It all ended up in Israel.

mark
mark
Nov 15, 2019 12:29 PM
Reply to  mark

Though Erdogan’s son got a big rake off, just as Biden’s son did in the Ukraine.
They wet their beaks on the way, but it was all destined for Israel.

Frank
Frank
Nov 15, 2019 8:15 AM
Reply to  mark

If could upvote this comment a thousand times, I surely would.

David Bishop
David Bishop
Nov 15, 2019 11:02 AM
Reply to  mark

Congratulations Mark.
Your post just won ‘the internet’ for November the 15th.
I would love to quote it [and most likely will] in any future Syria discussions.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Nov 16, 2019 4:34 AM
Reply to  mark

Excellent comment Mark, perfect summary.

mark
mark
Nov 16, 2019 4:10 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

You may recall Obomber’s sniping and sneering at the time.
Russia was going to get bogged down and achieve nothing.
And a lot of people in Russia were dubious about the operation.
Putin realised he had to stop Washington and Tel Aviv sponsored Islamist mayhem breaking out in Russia again.
There were losses, but the forces committed achieved results out of all proportion to their size. The Russian moslem military police and the de mining units as well as the air force.
The US carpet bombed Raqqa and Mosul leaving a moonscape with thousands of bodies buried under the rubble. There was no attempt to make them habitable again or carry out the most rudimentary de mining.
Russian units ended violence by negotiating ceasefires all over Syria.
Of course it helps when you don’t have a dysfunctional government with mutually antagonistic factions fighting one another like rats in a sack, each pursuing contradictory policies and supporting different terrorist groups.

falcemartello
falcemartello
Nov 15, 2019 1:27 AM

All depends on who writes it! Tosltoi once said “That history would be a wonderful thing ,if only it were true.” Giordano Bruno stated “History is always wriiten by the victors and not the vanquished”
Gianbattista Vico stated ” The elite create formulate language and controls its narrative for their own control of the greater society of the sovereign land”
Will give aperfect example the infamous Holdomor westerners claim that Stalin caused the starvation and death of circa 10 million souls. If one were to research Births and deaths and scholastic records of the various citizenry of the region in question it is impossible that that many perished. Then we have the Goulag archipelego tale told to us . Western scholars of the Antlantacist types hence state including the Holdomar incident that Stalin manged to cause the death of circa 30 million people of the USSR> If one were to look at the records of Birth and Deaths it is impossible. So revisionist historians have revised the number and are not attached to the Antlantacist/Washington consnensus /Pax-Americanan,Anglo-Zionist tribe and circa 300 thousand related to Holdimar and 850 thousand related to all the incarcerate d/goulag . NKVD deaths related to Stalin’s reign.
Post Scriptum: In our bleached sanitized world we in the west are good and everybody else is bad . The Takfiri’s in Syria are good but the Takfir’s in Iraq are bad.The Hong Kong protesters are clean loving freedom fighter and are not violent and the Chinese authorities are vile fascistic head kickers.
Docius In Fundem: How Orwellian and dystopian our reality has become.

vexarb
vexarb
Nov 15, 2019 12:17 AM

Not only Russia, all 4 Allies of Syria: Hezb, Iran, Russia and China plus people of good will all over the world — including Britain’s very own Vanessa Beeley. They joined to fight a masterly campaign against “our irresistible armed might” (copyright New Liebour) and our Lying Public Media. Syria was where New Liebour’s “Humanitarian Intervention” & “Right to Protect” (backed by “the irresistible armed might” of NATZO) met their Waterloo. Where the Public Lie met reality.

After 8 1/2 years of war, situation update by reliable military analyst Canthama:

https://www.syrianperspective.com/2019/10/manbij-liberated-by-syrian-army.html#comments

“And Napoleon said, Whoops! / I have lost all my troops / In the snow, Joe-sephine” — Noel Coward
Canthama BTL SyrPer #305754

vexarb
vexarb
Nov 15, 2019 12:19 AM
Reply to  vexarb

Louis Proyect
Louis Proyect
Nov 14, 2019 9:47 PM

It’s obvious that Russia’s support has dramatically changed the power balance – mostly with the help of Russian aviation and military advisors.

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Better read as “It’s obvious that Russia’s support has dramatically changed the power balance – mostly with the help of Russian aviation and military atrocities”.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Nov 14, 2019 10:23 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

I thought your most recent column on Haute Couture high end fashion (for the wealthy upper crust) and how you enjoyed using Pierre Cardin cologne was, um, most illuminating indeed.

Louis Proyect
Louis Proyect
Nov 15, 2019 3:05 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah, I am now so ashamed for writing such an article. To make amends, I will now write something about how the White Helmets placed the explosives used in the controlled demolition of the WTC.

Editor: Do, if it passes the time for you, but you might be better employed in simply acknowledging some of the basic evidence concerning the White Helmets’ established links with al Nusra and other terrorist outfits, which you have heretofore been studiously avoiding – ed.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Nov 15, 2019 4:52 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Apologies for upvoting this comment! In a moment of rage I was actually ‘upvoting’ the Editor’s perfect retort!

Louis Proyect
Louis Proyect
Nov 15, 2019 9:32 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect
John Deehan
John Deehan
Nov 14, 2019 10:37 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Let’s see the evidence before slinging slime and smear. Do you have any ?

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Nov 15, 2019 5:39 PM
Reply to  John Deehan

No of course he hasn’t. Just Western propaganda regurged as if he’d just thought of it – as all the propaganda-suckers do; including lots of alleged lefties suffering from an insufficiency of common-sense scepticism.

Joe
Joe
Nov 14, 2019 11:19 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Lying b####rd terrorism supporter.

John Deehan
John Deehan
Nov 14, 2019 11:40 PM
Reply to  Joe

Vacuous statements deserve inane responses.Eh!

Frank
Frank
Nov 15, 2019 8:32 AM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Every single hospital bombing or suggested atrocity allegedly committed by Russia was easily debunked. You’d think the western media presstitutes and political prostitutes would have been able to come up with at least one case of a mistaken target leading to dead civilians or something to implicate Russia. But they couldn’t. Instead Syrians are giving their kids Russian names and flying Russian flags in the streets..

Your information sources and logic are the atrocities here.

Stomper of fuctards
Stomper of fuctards
Nov 15, 2019 11:08 AM
Reply to  Frank

“Giving their kids Russian names” soinds like cringe-inducing fake news. Are you not embarrassed?

Frank
Frank
Nov 15, 2019 11:30 AM

It’s an easily verifiable fact which does much to undermine the western losers’ claims of Russian atrocities against civilians.

Are you not cringing with embarrassment to be basing your knowledge of world events on ‘sounds like’?
No, I don’t suppose you are.

Known troll
Known troll
Nov 16, 2019 12:07 AM
Reply to  Frank

More fake news from Frank as he doubles down with faux confidence to give the impression of telling a “well know truth”.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Nov 16, 2019 9:40 AM
Reply to  Known troll

You only have to ‘google’ it to find out it is true. You and @Stomper clearly haven’t done your research and found the (ridiculous on so many levels) explanation advanced by anti-Assad/anti-Russian commentators – that the parents did this in order to safeguard the future of the family against Russian domination in Syria.

For future reference, and I shall give you this for free, you might like to note that many Syrians now turn to RT for “reliable” news. According to the same pro-Western commentators, they either “feel obliged to say this” or “they have been brainwashed”. [Irony alert] Well it’s no surprise of course as Syrians as a race are such gullible people who don’t know what’s good for them, unlike civilised Western populaces.

mark
mark
Nov 15, 2019 12:39 PM
Reply to  Frank

No, no, that’s quite wrong. The Sukhois were using the standard Russian Mark I Anti Hospital Bomb, which automatically seeks out and targets any hospitals in the area, as was helpfully recorded by those splendid chaps in the White Helmets.

Quite unlike the B61 Star Spangled Democracy Bombs deployed by the US at Fallujah, Raqqa, and over Yemen, which spreads freedom, justice, and universal peace and happiness on impact.

nwwoods
nwwoods
Nov 15, 2019 2:42 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Found your yearbook photo
https://tinyurl.com/ye3pvevv

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Nov 14, 2019 6:42 PM

History doesn’t remember. History is remembered. But while a surface narrative can select, distort or deny even as events unfold, ‘the body keeps the score’ – as a book on trauma is titled.

Our mainstreamed narrative framework of self and world definition, rules out a true account by the attempt to set it, or be caught in reactive identity to be set upon or denied.

“Truth will out!” can seem NOT to be so in a world of lies, where we think we can get away with persisting in defending self-illusion at cost of truth. And judge some illusions as more true than others.

Illusions then battle against themselves by attack upon the body but truth looks on insanity and plays no part in it. But any willingness to listen or open to truth opens perspective that serves the true need – which is for Sanity instead of vengeance.

That we are capable of reacting to feared evils such as to become them, is linked to un-faced and unhealed evils or hates and fears and shames within ourself. Who need to ‘feel better’ about themselves but those who feel lack of worth and seek to cover it?

Some of our inner conflicts are partially known to us as a result of events in our past where we denied or were denied by, and others in all kinds of ways some of which are repressed memory. But there are also unhealed trauma that comes down the generation that is not a matter of personal blame – and yet the patterns of this ‘acquired, induced inheritance effectively sabotage, limit or blight our lives.

The ‘denied’ now live within us as denied life, seeking light – and in being persistently denied acceptance, becomes a negatively polarised takeover of our life operating from behind and within our own thought. A true acceptance allows release – as we are willing to embrace life instead of vengeance.

The release of an ancient hatred is Communication restored, but to use grievance as a source of identity and power is to give power to that which deceives us into always giving more. In other words it hollows and undoes us of our conscious will – because the power of our decision is subordinated in obedience to the power to maintain a sense of possession and control that we regard as survival itself in the absence of the heart’s recognition. ‘It’s victory’ is our death – even in life!

vexarb
vexarb
Nov 15, 2019 12:26 AM
Reply to  Brian Steere

“History doesn’t remember. History is remembered”.

Good one, Brian.

mark
mark
Nov 15, 2019 12:41 PM
Reply to  Brian Steere

John 8,32.
You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Nov 14, 2019 5:09 PM

This question has already answered itself – with the coup d’état in Bolivia. The western regimes, possessed by the gravest delusions in regard to who should be allowed to govern themselves in a straight jacket like fascist corset, are impermeable to the truth. They fight it wherever they can. They lie to and propagandize their own populations in believing the biggest lies psychopathic humans have ever come up with.

As the west has turned out to be the geatest danger to the continuation of all species on Earth, they march on with their cognition destroying war against reason and truth. Thus, the west will never allow the truth to enter history books. The scrubbers of the fascistpedia are still in high gear to rewrite the history of the 20th century – Russia, or the U.S.S.R., has always been a rogue nation for the western fascists. Nothing great Russia, or the U.S.S.R. at that, ever achieved will survive western propagandandized ‘history’ books.

On the other hand, one can be quite certain that for the Russians only one aspect counts: how those it came to assist, or help, in times of almost insurmountable terror by the west, will see them, whereas for a large part of the global population is already perceiving Russia and China as the last string of hope to survive the fascist west’s conquest for world domination.

So, the answer should be, that those people affected by it already see Russia and soon China, too as beacons of justice, resolve and loyalty. One could argue, since the west is so thoroughly fascist to the core, that anything would be better to replace the western reign of terror and that both Russia and China have shown remarkable farsight thus far – not allowing the fascist west to drag them down to its despicable and inhumane sewer level.

Regarding history, only the most gullible will deny that in a few thousand years nothing will remain of humanity. It will have disappeared and with it, all its history.

lundiel
lundiel
Nov 14, 2019 5:53 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

We used to have some good leftwing historians, I can’t think of any now.

John Deehan
John Deehan
Nov 14, 2019 6:51 PM
Reply to  lundiel

There still are but you will never find them in the MSM.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Nov 14, 2019 10:37 PM
Reply to  lundiel

The thought occurred to me, too. As a matter of fact, it would have to be a historian that can overcome the assault on the history of the left. Everything ‘left’ is now subjected to defamation and ridicule.

The new ‘left’ is simply just not right. Maybe South America could be the place where the real Left prevails against the religious right. It is possible that there will be some good new leftwing historians rising out of this epic showdown.

John Deehan
John Deehan
Nov 14, 2019 6:49 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

I didn’t know you could foretell the future for the next 2 or 3 thousand years. Did the ancients rulers of Mesopotamia or the Pharaohs of Egypt possess this gift. Perhaps Julius Caesar had the powers of the oracle. Maybe you could let me know what the winning numbers of next weeks lotto are?

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Nov 14, 2019 10:24 PM
Reply to  John Deehan

Of course.

That’s what I am always asked first. Because the miniature mind can only think in terms of playing lotto.

But whether you win in the lottery or not, has nothing to do with the numbers. Even if I would give you the correct numbers – based on your response you are not meant to win the lottery. Even with the correct numbers, you will not win. Because you will not get to play the numbers. You will not be able to get to any lottery store.

My record of correct predictions is flawless. That I won’t be here as the person I am now when humanity draws its last breath is irrelevant and not required for the prediction to fulfill itself.

John Deehan
John Deehan
Nov 14, 2019 10:44 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

Hmm, so you cannot provide any evidence that you can foretell the future for next week never mind for the next 2/3 thousand years. How the mighty has fallen. Many people used to swear by the fortune teller in the super soaraway Sun newspaper, Mystic Meg. Are you you one of her avid acolytes or are you the new Nostradamus?

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Nov 15, 2019 2:11 AM
Reply to  John Deehan

Every day of what you call ‘future’ can be seen based on its existing precondition. Down to the individual – if the precondition is known.

Sounds like it does come as a surprise to you when the last grain of sand spirals from the top of the hourglass to the bottom.

John Deehan
John Deehan
Nov 15, 2019 8:17 AM
Reply to  nottheonly1

It sounds like you have never been in a bookies shop because not even they would say that an event with absolute certainty will happen. Eg the winner of the grand national. However, they will speculate that a horse will win a race. The key word is speculation!

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Nov 15, 2019 2:29 PM
Reply to  John Deehan

…not even they would say that an event with absolute certainty will happen.

The present moment is a slip knot, sliding through time.
The past was once future. Every situation required a certain past and will have a certain future.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Nov 15, 2019 5:56 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

Flat wrong, Not…! We live in a probablistic reality, where total prediction of how everything will turn out is literally impossible; not just that we can’t manage at the moment. Simply impossible per se, in its basic nature.

The ancient struggle between philosophical idealism and philosophical materialism – probablism versus determinism – is right now undergoing a classic paradigm-shift, with materialist determinism losing ground steadily, as its older-generation defenders die off; the usual story!

Don’t know whether you’re just taking the piss, Not. But if you aren”t, and you really believe that you can see into the future conclusively, then you’re simply delusional. Pray that reality doesn’t decide to slap you don’t soundly, as it often does with hubristic delusionals.

Jen
Jen
Nov 14, 2019 10:45 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

You do realise that the reincarnation therapy consultant you visit regularly and who probably told you that you had been Nostradamus in a previous life might be scamming you?

John Deehan
John Deehan
Nov 14, 2019 11:07 PM
Reply to  Jen

Oh dear, you are plucking at straws. Not a competitor for best soothsayer of the the next few millennium competition or is it all a response to Mystic Meg being a better reader of the runes?

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Nov 15, 2019 2:02 AM
Reply to  Jen

Only you would know that such a profession exists. You’re simply projecting your own psychological shortcomings.
But the idea about ‘reincarnation therapy’ sounds actually funny. Not that the need would exist, since this is your first incarnation, obviously.

Jen
Jen
Nov 15, 2019 4:34 AM
Reply to  nottheonly1

Age before beauty as they say. 🙂

John Deehan
John Deehan
Nov 15, 2019 8:27 AM
Reply to  Jen

The future ain’t like it used to be.

John Deehan
John Deehan
Nov 15, 2019 8:25 AM
Reply to  nottheonly1

Oh dear, it must come as shock to you. Millions of people are aware of Mystic Meg and her fortune telling columns in the super soar away Sun. I suppose your forte is reading the entrails of toads to state what the future will be for the next 2/3 years.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Nov 14, 2019 10:01 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

Yes N, fully agree with what you say, especially about the propagandising and censoring of truth.
Virtually nothing here in the ‘media’ about Bolivia. God help the indigenous people of that country, and officials in the MAS movement.
All targets for these fascists.
This morning, the truly decrepit ABC in Australia claimed again, that Russia was responsible for MH17, claimed there were ‘intercepted phone calls’ between Russian politicians and rebels in Donbass, and talked about Skripal, and then stated anyone who betrays Putin ends up dead.
So the presstitutes knives have come out yet again. We live in a truly surreal world.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Nov 15, 2019 2:31 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

A significant part of the human species works tirelessly for the most disturbed prophecies to come true. Because their standard volume of religious delusion tells them that Armageddon, or whatever other nightmare comes true.

The Hopi – as is now obvious – knew what would happen to the world with pale face (christianity) as its ruler.

Koyaanisqatsi

Imagine a class action lawsuit with eight billion plaintiffs against the western regimes/corporations – sueing for emotional abuse, injuries, violent death, destruction of property, extortion and blackmail.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Nov 15, 2019 4:02 AM
Reply to  nottheonly1

The many millions who have died – just in the last 50 years alone. Charismatic, courageous and principled people like Patrice Lumumba, Thomas Sankara, Maurice Bishop, Malcolm X, Hugo Chavez, many others…. snuffed out.
Liberation movements, especially in Central and South America, squashed like bugs, or bought to heel. Others simply co opted.
Or disgustingly proclaim themselves ‘socialists’ or ‘marxists’ and literally parrot the Empire’s propaganda almost verbatim about countries like Syria and Libya.
And fully ignore the plight of Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning. Or worse, strongly insinuate Assange is a rapist and mixes with the ‘wrong people’. I don’t have premonitions N, but I strongly sense very big black clouds closing in.
I renounced my Catholicism or any organised religion the day I turned 18.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Nov 15, 2019 5:30 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Also heard that stuff from the ABC, GP. Looking for the truth in this Empire mouthpiece’s coverage of international affairs is like looking for a needle in a whole collection of haystacks. Its treatment of Corbyn is proof enough of that.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Nov 15, 2019 6:45 AM

Matt Bevan wrote it all in the lead up to babbling on about Trumps Impeachment. Bevan is as vile as Philip Williams… aw heck, all of them are vile. Its almost like a circus freak show.
You want to look away, but you just have to have a peep to see how grotesque it all is. And then wonder if they’re under instructions from certain ‘agencies’.
See Udo Ulfkotte for clarification.

lundiel
lundiel
Nov 14, 2019 4:06 PM

History, as taught in Britain, will echo government policy announcements, evil Assad who butchered democrats and got Russia to bail him out. Though proof of what really happened is widely available, government and media have stuck doggedly to the lies. They don’t even talk about British troops in Syria, let alone admit the White Helmets are propagandists and the chemical attacks were false flags. Too much has happened for the West (NATO) to ever tell the truth, can you imagine what it would do to the Royal British Legion? And what about all the Syrian terrorists we’ve given sanctuary to along with America’s foreign policy mission.
History will only tell the truth in a post Capitalist world…if we’re lucky.

John Deehan
John Deehan
Nov 14, 2019 7:05 PM
Reply to  lundiel

The path of distorting U.K. history is well trodden. A number of books have been produced which bare witness to this. For example, Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War by Gerry Docherty and James Mac Gregor, Conjuring Hitler by Guido Giacomo and various books by Professor Antony C Sutton. The distortion arises because of the 30,50, 100 and never years rules regarding publishing government papers. The authors of Hidden History will lay testament to this because much of what happened prior, during and after the First World War was either destroyed, lost or has yet to be published. Sutton also stated this about access to government documents. Moreover, a number of historians receive their funding from bodies such as universities and think tanks. They know full well not to bite the hand that feed them.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Nov 14, 2019 7:19 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Why no mention of Israel. The former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas said on French TV that he had been told by the British Foreign Office two years before the conflict that they were preparing a conflict in Syria. When asked by the chair of the French TV debate what was the objective, he said that it was required by Israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyRwFHR8WY

It seems that Israel seeks total control.

mark
mark
Nov 15, 2019 1:40 AM
Reply to  Haltonbrat

A certain small group of people are at the heart of a colossal amount of chicanery and pure evil.

Norcal
Norcal
Nov 14, 2019 3:52 PM

Totally agree…