Unspeakable Memories: The Day John Kennedy Died

Edward Curtin

There is a vast literature on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, who died on a November 22nd Friday like this in 1963.


I have contributed my small share to such writing in an effort to tell the truth, honor him, and emphasize its profound importance in understanding the history of the last fifty-six years, but more importantly, what is happening in the U.S.A. today.

In other words, to understand it in its most gut-wrenching reality: that the American national security state will obliterate any president that dares to buck its imperial war-making machine. It is a lesson not lost on all presidents since Kennedy.

Unless one is a government disinformation agent or is unaware of the enormous documentary evidence, one knows that it was the CIA that carried out JFK’s murder. Confirmation of this fact keeps arriving in easily accessible forms for anyone interested in the truth. 

A case in point is James DiEugenio’s recent posting at his website, KennedysandKing, of James Wilcott’s affidavit and interrogation by the House Select Committee on Assassinations, declassified by the Assassinations Record Review Board in 1998.

In that document, Wilcott, who worked in the finance department for the CIA and was not questioned by the Warren Commission, discusses how he unwittingly paid Lee Harvey Oswald, the government’s alleged assassin, through a cryptonym and how it was widely known and celebrated at his CIA station in Tokyo that the CIA killed Kennedy and Oswald worked for the Agency, although he did not shoot JFK.

I highly recommend reading the document.

I do not here want to go into any further analysis or debate about the case.  I think the evidence is overwhelming that the President was murdered by the national security state. Why he was murdered, and the implications for today, are what concern me.

And how and why we remember and forget public events whose consequences become unbearable to contemplate, and the fatal repercussions of that refusal.  In what I consider the best book ever written on the subject, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters (2009), James W. Douglass explains this in detail, including the James Wilcott story.

Realizing what I am about to say might be presumptuous and of no interest to anyone but myself, I will nevertheless try to describe my emotional reactions to learning of John Kennedy’s murder so long ago and how that reverberated down through my life.

I hope my experiences might help explain why so many people today can’t face the consequences of the tragic history that began that day and have continued to the present, among which are not just the other assassinations of the 1960s but the lies about the attacks of September 11, 2001 and the subsequent endless and murderous “war on terror” with its mind-numbing propaganda and the recent anti-Russia phobia and the blatant celebration of the so-called “deep-state’s” open efforts to overthrow another president, albeit a very different one.

On November 22, 1963 I was a college sophomore. I was going down three steps into the college dining hall for lunch. (Many of my most significant memories and decisions have taken place on steps, either going up or going down; memory is odd in that way, wouldn’t you say?) I remember freezing on the second step as a voice announced through a PA system that the president had been shot in Dallas, Texas. 

When I finally recovered and went down into the building, another announcement came through saying the president had died. The air seemed to be sucked out of the building as I and the other students with a few professors sat in stunned silence. Soon little groups on this Catholic campus joined together to pray for John Kennedy.

I felt as if I were floating in unreality.

Later that day when I left the campus and drove home, I thought back to three years previously and the night of the presidential election.  Everyone at my house (parents, grandparents, and the five sisters still at home) had gone to bed, but I stayed up past 1 A.M., watching the television coverage of the vote count.

My parents, despite their Irish-Catholicism, were Nixon supporters, but I was for JFK.  I couldn’t comprehend why anyone would vote for Nixon, who seemed to me to personify evil. When I finally went up the stairs to bed, I was convinced Kennedy would win and felt very happy.

It wouldn’t be for another tumultuous decade before I would hear Kris Kristofferson sing:

Never knowin’ if believin’ is a blessin’ or a curse
Or if the going up is worth to coming down….
From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse
The goin’ up was worth the coming down

…and I would ask myself the same question.

In the meantime, the next few years would bring the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile crisis, and the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, among other significant events, and for a high school student interested in politics and world events it was a heady and frightening few years. 

It was a country of newspapers back then, and I would read perhaps 3-4 each day and sensed a growing animosity toward Kennedy, especially as expressed in the more conservative NYC papers. I can remember very little talk of politics in my home and felt alone with my thoughts. 

As far as I can remember, this was also true at the Jesuit high school that I attended. And of course nothing prepared me for the president’s murder and the feeling of despair it engendered in me, a feeling so painful that I couldn’t really acknowledge it.

At nineteen, I felt traumatized but couldn’t admit it or tell anyone.  After all, I was a scholar and an athlete. Tough.

Then on Sunday morning my family had the TV on and we watched as Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald, the guy the government said had killed the president. 

The unreality was compounded manyfold, and when later it was reported that Oswald had died, I felt I was living in an episode of The Twilight Zone, a popular television show at the time, whose narrator would say we are now entering the weird world between shadow and substance.

The next day a friend and I went to the Fordham University campus to visit a Jesuit priest who was a mentor to us.  He had the television on for JFK’s funeral and we sat and watched it for a while with him.

After a few hours, it became too painful and the two of us went outside to a football field where we threw a football back and forth.  Perhaps subconsciously we were thinking of Kennedy’s love of football; I don’t know. But I remember a feeling of desolation that surrounded us on that empty cold field with not another soul around.

It seemed sacrilegious to be playing games at such a time, yet deep trauma contributes to strange behavior.

Then I went on with my college life, studying and playing basketball, until the day after Malcolm X was assassinated on February 21, 1965. Those New York newspapers that didn’t like Kennedy, hated Malcolm even more and were constantly ripping into him.

I vividly remember talking to my college basketball teammate the next day. His sense of devastation as a young African American struck me forcefully. As we walked to basketball practice and talked, his sense of isolation and gloom was palpable.

Visceral.  Unforgettable. It became mine, even though I didn’t at the time grasp its full significance.

In 1968 when Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated, I was driving to visit a girlfriend and remember hearing the news on the car radio and feeling deeply shocked. I felt immediately oppressed by the first warm spring evening in the New York area. 

It was as if the beautiful weather, usually so uplifting after winter and so joyously stimulating to a young man’s sexuality, was conspiring with the news of King’s death to bring me down into a deep depression.

Soon the country would awaken on June 5 to the surreal news that Senator Robert Kennedy was shot in Los Angeles the night before.  Like so many Americans, when he died not long after, I felt his death was the last straw. But it was far from it.

For all the while Lyndon Johnson had lied his way to the election in 1964 and escalated the Vietnam war to savage proportions.

Death and destruction permeated the air we were breathing. The year 1968 ended with the suspicious death in Thailand of a hero of mine, the anti-war Trappist Monk Thomas Merton.

Subsequent research has shown that that too was an assassination.  And while all of this was going on and my political consciousness was becoming radicalized, I became a conscientious objector from the Marines. I was 24 years old.

By the late 1970s, having been fired from teaching positions for radical scholarship and anti-war activities, and mentally exhausted by the unspeakable events of the 1960s, I retreated into the country where I found solace in nature and a low-key life of contemplation, writing literary and philosophical essays, a novel, book reviews, and becoming a part-time newspaper columnist.

By the 1990s, I gradually returned to teaching and a more active political engagement, primarily through teaching and writing.

Then in 1991 Oliver Stone jolted me back in time with his film JFK. I found powerful emotional memories welling up within me, and growing anger at what had happened to the U.S. in the previous decades.

Soon JFK Jr., who was investigating his father’s assassination and was about to enter politics and take up his father’s mantle, was killed in a blatantly rigged “accident.”  A month before I had been standing in line behind his wife in the bakery in my little town while he waited outside in a car.

Now the third Kennedy was dead. I called my old friend the Jesuit priest from Fordham, but he was speechless. The bodies kept piling up or disappearing.

When the attacks of September 11, 2001 happened, I realized from day one that something was not right; that the official explanation was full of holes.  My sociological imagination took fire.

All that I had thought and felt, even my literary writing, came together. The larger picture emerged clearly. My teaching took on added urgency, including courses on September 11th and the various assassinations.

Then in 2009 I read and reviewed James Douglass’s masterpiece, JFK and the Unspeakable, and my traumatic memories of 1963 and after came flooding back in full force.

I realized that those youthful experiences had been so difficult for me to assimilate and that I, therefore, had to intellectualize them, for the emotional toll of re-experiencing them and what they meant was profound. 

The book really opened me to this, but so too did the awareness of how sensitive I was to John Kennedy’s death, how emotional I felt when reading about it or hearing him speak or listening to a song such as “The Day John Kennedy Died” by Lou Reed. 

It was as though a dam had burst inside me and my heart had become an open house without doors or windows.

I tell you all this to try to convey the ways in which we “forget” the past in order to shield ourselves from powerful and disturbing memories that might force us to disrupt our lives. To change.

Certain events, such as the more recent attacks of September 11, have become too disturbing for many to explore, to study, to contemplate, just as I found a way to marginalize my feelings about my own government’s murder of President Kennedy, a man who had given me hope as a youngster, and whose murder had nearly extinguished that hope.

Many people will pretend that they are exposing themselves to such traumatic memories and are investigating the events and sources of their disquietude. It is so often a pretense since they feel most comfortable in the land of make-believe. 

What is needed is not a dilettantish and superficial nod in the direction of having examined such matters, but a serious in-depth study of the facts and an examination of why doing so might make one uncomfortable. A look outward and a look inward. 

Just as people distort and repress exclusively personal memories to “save” themselves from harsh truths that would force them to examine their current personal lives, so too do they do the same with political and social ones.

When I asked two close relatives of mine, both of whom came close to death on September 11, 2001 at The World Trade Towers, what they have thought about that day, they separately told me that they haven’t really given it much thought.

This startled me, especially since it involved mass death and a close encounter with personal death in a controversial public event, two experiences that would seem to elicit deep thought.  And these two individuals are smart and caring souls.

What and why we remember and forget is profoundly important.  Thoreau, in writing about life without principle, said, “It is so hard to forget what is worse than useless to remember.”  This is so true. We are consumed with trivia, mostly by choice.

Perhaps a reason we remember so much trivia is to make sure we forget profound experiences that might shake us to our cores.  The cold-blooded public execution of President John Kennedy did that to me on that melancholy Friday when I was 19, and by trying to forget it and not to speak of it, I hoped it would somehow go away, or at least fade to insignificance. 

But the past has a way of never dying, often to return when we least expect or want it.

So today, on this anniversary Friday, another November 22, I have chosen to try to speak of what it felt like once upon a time on the chance that it might encourage others to do the same with our shared hidden history.  Only by speaking out is hope possible. Only by making the hidden manifest.

T.S. Eliot wrote in “Journey of the Magi” words that echo ironically in my mind on this anniversary of the day John Kennedy died:

All this was a long time ago, I remember
And I would do it again, but set down
This set down
This: were we led all that way for
Birth or Death? There was a Birth certainly,
We had evidence and no doubt. I had seen birth and
But had thought they were different; this Birth was
Hard and bitter agony for us, like Death, our death.
We returned to our places, these Kingdoms,
But no longer at ease here, in the old dispensation,
With an alien people clutching their gods.
I should be glad of another death.

Remembering in all its emotional detail the day John Kennedy died has been a long and cold journey for me.  It has allowed me to see and feel the terror of that day, the horror, but also the heroism of the man, the in-your-face warrior for peace whose death should birth in us the courage to carry on his legacy.

Killing a man who says “no” to the endless cycle of war is a risky business, says a priest in the novel Bread and Wine by Ignazio Silone. For “even a corpse can go on whispering ‘No! No! No! with a persistence and obstinacy that only certain corpses are capable of. And how can you silence a corpse.”

John Kennedy was such a man.

Eliot was right: Sometimes death and birth are hard to tell apart.

President Kennedy’s courage in facing a death he knew was coming from forces within his own government who opposed his efforts for peace, nuclear disarmament, and an end to the Cold War – “I know there is a God-and I see a storm coming.  I believe that I am ready,” he had written on a slip of paper, and his favorite poem contained the refrain, “I have a rendezvous with death” – should encourage all of us to not turn our faces away from his witness for peace.

We must stop being at ease in a dispensation where we worship the gods of war and clutch the nuclear weapons that our crazed leaders say they will use on a “first-strike” basis. 

If they ever do, Eliot’s question – “were we led all that way for Birth or Death?” – will be answered.

But no one will hear it.


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Nov 25, 2019 3:59 PM

Excellent article , thanks for it.

Gerry Mohan
Gerry Mohan
Nov 25, 2019 2:38 AM

I really don’t understand all this sentimental claptrap about Kennedy, The puke-inducing nadir that says it all came in Oliver Stone’s ‘JFK’ with a tearful reference by one of the protagonists to “my dead king”.
The man was a half-mad cold warrior and nearly brought the world to nuclear holocaust. In a conversation with his own brother he acknowledged that other national leaders would think both were unhinged if they knew how irrational their hatred of communism was. It’s worth taking another look at a 2013 conversation with Noam Chomsky on the subject.

Daniel Falcone, Truthout:
‘I interviewed professor, social critic and activist Noam Chomsky recently about the tradition of cult fantasy and hero construction of past presidents.

One of Chomsky’s famous sayings starts with, “If the Nuremberg Laws were applied … ” Here’s what he said about Kennedy in that context:

“Kennedy is easy. The invasion of Cuba was outright aggression. Eisenhower planned it, incidentally, so he was involved in a conspiracy to invade another country, which we can add to his score. After the invasion of Cuba, Kennedy launched a huge terrorist campaign against Cuba, which was very serious. No joke; bombardment of industrial installations with killing of plenty of people, bombing hotels, sinking fishing boats, sabotage. Later, under Nixon, it even went as far as poisoning livestock and so on. Big affair; and then came Vietnam; he invaded Vietnam. He invaded South Vietnam in 1962. He sent the US Air Force to start bombing.”

And then in “On Democracy,” a 1996 interview by Tom Morello:

“Kennedy is not even worth discussing. The invasion in South Vietnam – Kennedy attacked South Vietnam, outright. In 1961-1962 he sent Air Force to start bombing villages, authorized napalm. Also laid the basis for the huge wave of repression that spread over Latin America with the installation of Neo-Nazi gangsters that were always supported directly by the United States. That went on and in fact picked up under Johnson.”

Daniel Falcone: Do you find it odd that the country is focusing on a 50th anniversary remembrance of the Kennedy assassination?

Noam Chomsky: Worship of leaders is a technique of indoctrination that goes back to the crazed George Washington cult of the 18th century and on to the truly lunatic Reagan cult of today, both of which would impress Kim Il-sung. The JFK cult is similar.

What does it mean that popular media treat such a date with such unusual honor?

Simply that we live in a deeply indoctrinated society.” ‘


Nov 25, 2019 5:41 AM
Reply to  Gerry Mohan

Grey sources but Chomsky is lightweight! Promote professor Michael Parenti not Noam Chomsky

George Mc
George Mc
Nov 25, 2019 7:47 AM
Reply to  Gerry Mohan

Chomsky has always been a despicable gatekeeper for 9/11. As for the tiresome trashing of a “saintly image” of JFK, it is of no relevance whatsoever – other than the fact that it is a common tool for turning a blind eye to the assassination. Let us assume that JFK was a bastard. That still leaves us with a clearly contrived death scenario which indicates that there is a deep organisation that will not tolerate even the most marginal deviation from its aims.

George Mc
George Mc
Nov 25, 2019 5:13 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“Noam Chomsky: Worship of leaders is a technique of indoctrination that goes back to the crazed George Washington cult of the 18th century and on to the truly lunatic Reagan cult of today, both of which would impress Kim Il-sung. The JFK cult is similar.”

There is a YouTube clip where Chomsky specifically discusses 9/11 “conspiracy theories”(by which he means theories of an “inside job”). Chomsky says,

“Even if it were true, which is extremely unlikely, who cares? It doesn’t have any significance. It’s a little bit like the huge energy that’s put out on trying to figure out who killed John F. Kennedy. Who knows? And who cares? Plenty of people get killed all the time, why does it matter that one of them happened to be John F. Kennedy? If there was some reason to believe that there was a high level conspiracy, it might be interesting. But the evidence against that is just overwhelming. And after that, if it happened to be a jealous husband, or the mafia, or someone else, what difference does it make? It’s just taking energy away from serious issues onto ones that don’t matter. And I think the same is true here; it’s my personal opinion.”

Chomsky revealed himself totally here. EVEN if 9/11 was an inside job, who cares? Well if that’s the way he feels then why did he spend so much time rubbishing the theory? Also let’s contemplate the implications here: It doesn’t matter that the US government carried out an attack on their own people? It doesn’t matter if the pretext for the entire “war on terror” was a fraud?

But this isn’t the main point. The heading given to the clip is “CHOMSKY DISPELS 9/11 CONSPIRACIES WITH SHEER LOGIC”. I would like to believe that was a piece of very dry sarcasm. But I fear it is not. Which implies that somebody thought that this abysmal presentation – the very thing that decides once and for all that Chomsky is either a mole or a useful idiot – is a matter of dispelling conspiracy theories with “sheer logic”? And I recall reading a Chomsky groupie saying, “Oh my God! Chomsky is right! It really doesn’t matter!” Once again – the very speech that should have resulted in deafening guffaws is actually taken to be “the final word” against the inside job notion.

“Worship of leaders” indeed!

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Nov 25, 2019 4:06 PM
Reply to  Gerry Mohan

Ah yes, Truthout, where Russiagaters and Warren Commission (“magic bullet”) supporters go to create and enjoy a completely self-contained fantasy world in which massive steel and concrete structures simply magically disintegrate into dust because the government and Noam Chomsky said they did. Yes, by all means enjoy your time at Truthout. Just don’t expect anyone who has actually taken the time to study the assassinations of the 1960’s and false-flag called 9/11 to be gullible enough to join you there.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 27, 2019 2:34 AM
Reply to  Gerry Mohan

People on this site accuse me of believing “everything is a conspiracy”. I do recognise that an awful lot of events are staged, this is true, however, I’m an evidence-based thinker. I always judge by the evidence. And I recognise the amazing achievement of going to the moon and the science of anthropogenic climate change.

Seriously, going to the moon back in 1969 is one of the most improbable events ever, really, isn’t it, when you think about it but the evidence shows they did it. And hats off! Incredible, and that is ONE thing Americans (and their nominally at least Nazi collaborators such as Wernher von Braun) should be proud of I think. And perhaps JFK can take a little credit for his inspirational words.

Of course, you can use the argument that mouths went hungry because of it but whether they did or not it was an absolutely astounding achievement. Ultimately far more mouths go hungry because of all the fakery we’re subjected to leading to all the wars that happen.

What pisses me off is that the CIA had to get their dirty hands into it and fake up the stooge, Bill Kaysing, first person to come out and say the moon landings were a hoax (utterly ludicrously they made him Head of Technical Communications, Rocketdyne), who they targeted at those whose profile is “disbelievers-of-authority-by-default” so that they would make fools of themselves over the moon landings and then undermine themselves and evidence-based thinkers alike when they called out real staged events and other crimes perpetrated by the power elite such as 9/11. That really pisses me off though I cannot help laughing at Bill’s ludicrous Wikipedia entry and his alleged nephew, Dietrich von Schmausen, alleged Professor of Xenobiological Research who, in his YouTube videos, has a fake German accent and a specimen jar holding an alien brain.

So on the subject of fakery, just in the last few days, I’ve come to believe that there wasn’t and still isn’t any danger of a nuclear holocaust cos “nuclear bombs” are simply not a “thing” despite the alleged nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Preposterous? Outrageous? Weeeelll, I’ve already found some evidence:

This book by someone who’s obviously an academic writing under a pseudonym. I’ve yet to read it but the sample pages are quite compelling.

All 10 reviews praise the book including someone who says:

I purchased the book fearing that it would be the typical conspiracy theory nutcase job, but I was so wrong. This book is well written and although short (about 210 pages) is full of insightful points that makes you question the unquestionable.

I’ve also read a very compelling draft chapter by someone else writing a book but cannot comment on that at the moment.

We have a doesn’t-add-up “survivor story”, typical of staged events. The Hiroshima bomb was allegedly detonated at 8:15am so how does this story fit the timing?

I was at home that day with my siblings — two older sisters and an older brother. I wasn’t at school because I had a stomach-ache. My brother was back from work and playing the guitar, my oldest sister was having a late lunch, and I was in the room with my second sister chatting. My father had gone out for a hair cut.

The accompanying text of this photo says that “purple subcutaneous hemorrhage spots” were caused by the atomic bomb. This strains my credulity.

Apparently, the effects of mustard gas are very similar to the effects of radiation sickness. In 1943 an air attack by the Germans on Bari caused release of mustard gas from one of the wrecked cargo ships. The effects of this mustard gas must have been present in the minds of those who would stage the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, no?

Then we really do have to question the names given to the bombs dropped. I mean, aren’t these names an outrageous insult to all those who died or suffered injury so horribly from them? “Little Boy” and “Fat Man”? Seriously? CIA prints all over those names I’d say.

Nov 23, 2019 2:36 AM

Epstein’s little book contains 3 Kennedy’s: quiet control.

Nov 23, 2019 9:32 AM
Reply to  Antonym

All these rich guys like the Kennedys, the Prince, and some such like cannot cope with not doing something when they want it, where they want it, and where it itches.

I tend to think that we are idealizing JFK. All people, Americans or others, politicians, journalists, artists are sidelined when they are not obedient to big money. Even countries are smashed to pieces when they don’t kowtow to the big money of weapons manufacturing. That’s the power of the US and we will have to put up with that until new developments occur. We can only hope that these new developments occur before a new war. Must work for war avoidance, all of us.

Nov 23, 2019 4:07 PM
Reply to  Wilmers31

Thermonuclear hot kinetic war is inevitable and cannot be bypassed via altruism. The Corporation of the United States of America is insolvent.

One cannot reflate a Ponzi scheme once they implode. Overnight & daytime REPO is backdoor QE-4. The global economy has officially decoupled via trade war which is mere replication of Smoot-Hawley Great Depression era haphazardness of Central Bank incompetency that evidenced the downfall of the USA during the 30s.

War will finish off the weak & incompetent United States of America whilst the entire world rejoices over their comeuppance.

Wall Street is a criminal enterprise that has enveloped the world in crime.

Fuck America!


Nov 25, 2019 5:42 AM

I like your style MOU

Nov 25, 2019 3:54 PM
Reply to  John

Hunter S. Thompson gave me my style way back when. When things get weird the weird turn pro.

The Corporation of the United States of America is weird.


Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 22, 2019 10:39 PM

Events implemented by the power elite whether they involve real death or staged always exhibit two characteristics that they rub in our faces:
— They contain signs that give it away that they are responsible
— They never fake any part of the event so well that it can be brandished by a believer of their story to defend it.

In this the power elite are utterly scrupulous unlike their critics and defenders alike in their analysis of the events they perpetrate upon us.

A $12 relic of WWII Mussolini’s armed forces, a Carcano, that wasn’t even sighted in (compare 9/11 boxcutters), was allegedly the rifle chosen by Lee Harvey Oswald for his crackshot assassination. As if.

Oswald also speaks the truth when he says, “I’m just a patsy”. “I’m just a patsy” has two functions: to signal the truth and, paradoxically, as propaganda aimed at skeptics to persuade us that Oswald needed to be silenced due to this indication he might spill the beans. Agents don’t spill the beans. That’s not what they do. He was hired to do his job of playing patsy and he did it, including reciting the scripted line, “I’m just a patsy.” Why would they kill him for doing his job when they could just follow the standard practice of “sheepdipping” him (providing a new identity)?

Even taking into account different camera angles, there is no still from the footage of him being SHOT ON LIVE TV that can match the photograph. The instant he is allegedly shot he drops and people move in front of him. There is no possible way that the photo of him with his mouth open could have been taken. Multiple takes mean the shooting is fake.

They also provide us with propaganda to persuade us that Jack Ruby did the killing but only very reluctantly. He was apparently “under pressure from the Mafia” and both an (unnamed) daughter of an ex-flame and an (unnamed) niece claim that he obviously couldn’t have been planning to kill him when he went to the jail because he’d brought his beloved little weenie, Sheba, with him in the car and he would never have brought Sheba if he’d really been planning on killing Oswald, knowing that he would be whisked off to the cells and thus obliged to abandon her. Doncha love it? (Completely swallowed it myself initially.) They told us Ruby was put in jail. Why on earth would they have done that to him?

If we continue to ignore the generous signs the power elite provide us indicating that they are responsible and not confront the fact that they never commit their crimes so carefully as to convincingly incriminate someone else or absolve themselves what else do we expect other than to keep getting hoodwinked?

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Nov 22, 2019 9:42 PM

Thanks Ed, as always, for keeping it real. I gave a talk the day before to a group of older citizens who had an interest in history: They were a great audience and very grateful for an interpretation of history none had ever heard before, such is the power of propaganda.
I always like to finish on a high note though: JFK’s message that “One man can make a difference, and every should try”. He did not live and die in vain, because the world did not slide into WWIII as it would have had he not outwitted his hawks in October 1962.
Likewise, with your witness, then you too are still making a difference. Its better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness.

Nov 22, 2019 9:19 PM

I collected a parcel today for my friend from our local bar.He had probably ordered it from the amazon but on the box it said “book depositry “.Sick.
I cannot believe this is still going on !
I was there.Jackie did it.Now more importantly…

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 22, 2019 11:08 PM
Reply to  Marfanoid

Funny coincidence. Book Depository is an online bookseller too. http://www.bookdepository.com

George Mc
George Mc
Nov 25, 2019 9:14 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Book Depository is now owned by Amazon – as is also Abebooks. More steps towards Bezos’s trudge towards global conquest.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 26, 2019 2:26 AM
Reply to  George Mc

What a surprise! Oh dear.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Nov 22, 2019 8:53 PM

And what is it all for?
Power, glory, greed?
None of these offer equanimity.
That is found closer to home >>https://non-duality.rupertspira.com/introduction

Nov 22, 2019 8:00 PM

Coincidently, this just appeared on the Unz Review:
The Umbrella Man, the Sins of the Father, and the Kennedy Curse

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 23, 2019 4:28 AM
Reply to  Off-Anything

I’d put “the Umbrella Man” in the same category as “the Dancing Israelis” and “the Israeli Art Students”. Notice how they have names. The CIA loves bestowing pet names on their propaganda assets. Israel was involved in the JFK assassination just as it was in 9/11 but it was under the auspices of rogue elements within the US government and these are the people to target in the first instance not Israel. There is so much distraction around JFK and 9/11 when the essential elements are actually very simple. Rogue elements within the US government bear primary responsibility for both JFK and 9/11. Target them.

This is a fascinating Italian documentary by Michele Metta showing the links between the CIA, Italian neofascists and Israel. Perhaps the Carcano was a nod to the neofascists in on the job.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 23, 2019 4:49 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

One thing the film gets wrong though is assumes the terror attacks during the Strategy of Tension are real as presented by the media but the 1980 Bologna station bombing, at least, was clearly a bombing of an evacuated area and I see no reason that the other bombings did not also follow the same pattern although for whatever reason some or all of the others may have been real. https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/bologna-1980-and-mogadishu-2017.html

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Nov 23, 2019 5:26 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I was with fully you until you started linking to that website, which I seem to recall is, I think, run by our resident “everything event is a conspiracy” loon Flaxgirl.
I do fully agree JFK was killed by the CIA, and that 911 was an inside Mossad job, but (Flaxgirl / linked website) claiming that people didn’t die in Bologna (and 911) is deluded to the point of illness.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 23, 2019 6:44 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Frank, just to make it clear, I am flaxgirl going by my real name now. What I fail to understand is why you are so adamant that Bologna wasn’t the bombing of an evacuated area. Do you think it’s beyond the powers of intelligence agencies to evacuate an area and bomb it and pretend that people were killed and injured? They don’t want to kill random people, OK, Frank. They don’t actually WANT to kill people. They only want to create a sense of terror. So they achieve their aim by simply pretending. What is so extraordinary about intelligence agencies actually doing PRECISELY what they want to do, namely, create a sense of terror without killing people for real? If they kill people they’re actually doing something THEY DON’T WANT TO DO. You think they’re not up to doing precisely but MUST half-do what they want to do, you think that when they create a sense of terror they MUST kill people even though that isn’t part of their aim?

Also, I fail to understand why you think I would simply make that claim without a case to make it. I make a case for it and I challenge you to make a case for bombing of an unevacuated area. I’ve given my case, you give yours instead of making ludicrous assertions that I am deluded to the point of illness.

As Francis Richard Conolly says in his film, JFK to 9/11 Everything is a Rich Man’s Trick:


Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Nov 23, 2019 5:59 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

What I fail to understand is why you are so adamant that Bologna wasn’t the bombing of an evacuated area.

Well Flaxgirl, it’s very simple. What you consistently fail to incorporate into most of your extremely deluded theories is that there is a real body count, real victims.

I was in fact in Northern Italy at the time of the Bolgna atrocity. I will not allow you the benefit of my direct knowledge, you do not deserv Notstaged, not fake, just real, gruesome, deaths.

I recall there were the same kind of extremely deluded theories concerning the Nice truck attack and the Bataclan in Paris. Again, I have direct knowledge of people who died a very cruel death.

Then try telling the hundreds of firefighters of 911 who lost family and friends, and saw office workers jump to their deaths and explode on impact.

I’m not arguing about who planned and carried out these attacks, I fully believe at least several were inside jobs, rather, I’m highlighting your utterly despicable claims that the deaths were staged and nobody died. You are the lowest of the lowest delusional scum when you accuse these real people of fakigtheir absolutely real grief over losing their family and friends and co-workers in these real events.

Anyway, you are not worthy of any further reply. I still maintain my own theory that your role is as a disinfo agent who is manufacturing outlandish theories, spreading them here and elsewhere, in order to bring ridicule to those who are able to think outside of the MSM box. And eventually lead those websites that contain your disinfo to be highlighted for blocking or closure. Is it not true? Well if I am wrong, then you are merely getting a taste of your own conspiracy medicine that you are happy dish out. Enjoy it.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 23, 2019 10:54 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

I do, in fact, account for the alleged body count, Frank, as that is a very important part of the operation. It would be ludicrous for me to make my claims if I didn’t do that. When I say that intelligence agencies can pull off these events they have to make the body count work (or at least make some attempt) – you think that’s beyond them, do you?

But the thing is, Frank, they don’t necessarily do a great job of the body count and they will always give signs in the rest of the op at least so that’s why just sitting at your computer you can work out they’re hoaxes.

I, too, know people with connections to these events – quite a number in fact, a few of whom I detail below.

How’s this one? My former Balinese barista told me, after months of my coming into the cafe constantly bleating about 9/11 and other events, that his father worked next door to the Sari bar, the site of the main 2002 Bali bombings. The father said that when he was called to help the injured there were no injured to help.

This is the “Personal extra” I put at the bottom of my page on the Manchester bombing hoax which truly is a laughable hoax because there was no bombing of any kind (evacuated area or not) – it was a really frugal op where they staged the bombing at the end of the concert so those who attended wouldn’t feel ripped off and no bomb meant no cleanup or refurbishment required – hats off! I think the Brits tend to go for the less involved than the US. https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/manchester-bombing.html

I spoke with a friend who lives near Manchester a couple of months after the event and when I told her it was staged she said, “Oh, but we know the parents of a girl who goes to school with a girl whose mother died.” Almost in the next breath though she said, “No evil from these people would surprise me.” As we were talking, she was cogitating and said, “You know, the family of the youngest child who died [Saffie Roussos] was on TV this morning and they talked about how her mother was in hospital still recovering from serious injuries. I guess if the child weren’t dead she’d need someone to look after her, the most likely person being her mother so this might explain why the mother is ‘still in hospital’.” Of course, in the case of it being a hoax, she wouldn’t be in hospital, she and her daughter would be sequestered off somewhere! My friend did not switch to believing, in the course of our conversation (and probably still hasn’t), that the event was definitely staged but I was amazed at the way she readily accepted it as a possibility and, although she had had no notion of this or any other event being staged until 5 minutes before, was working out a possible aspect of the modus operandi! I never would have made the connection myself. The family are “reluctantly” selling their chippy because the now wheelchair-bound mum cannot work in the fish shop anymore and they’re hoping that the new owners will rename it Saffie’s Place. Now I wonder if selling up means they’re going to move and, if so, I wonder where they might be moving to – a nice little Greek island perhaps? (Mum, who was discharged from hospital for the day, looking decidedly unwheelchair-bound at the funeral.)

Funnily enough, another friend has a daughter in the same class as the Australian child, Julian Cadman, who supposedly died in Barcelona (they generally have people from other countries involved to make it of global concern) and – wouldn’t you know it – the mother will be in hospital for awhile with serious injuries. My friend told me how her lovely young daughter has been traumatised. It makes me very angry that children are being exploited and traumatised by these staged events and that people are being fleeced for fundraising. This friend does not accept the possibility that the event was staged and I daren’t ask her, for the moment, if Julian’s mother, Jom, has returned to the family home or if the family has packed up (without her) to join her and Julian elsewhere presumably. … But then the little girl wouldn’t understand and I wouldn’t want to disillusion her at such a young age so best not to try to explain the hoax to her mother either.

I’ve just started looking at the alleged Port Arthur massacre which I’d heard was a hoax but somehow never got around to. How they fabricated the body count there: it seems they used people’s names from the US and England – handy as it’s a tourist spot. Scroll down on this page for links to the names of the alleged dead. (If the link doesn’t work by clicking, copy and paste it.)

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 23, 2019 11:02 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Sorry forgot to add what they actually do for many alleged dead people. These are some of the possibilities:

— sheepdip – give them new identities and move them somewhere else

— use people who’ve recently died or have terminal illnesses and are about to die – in Ersun Warncke’s analysis of 9/11 victims in the SSDI, the date of death of some were before and some after 9/11. See Point 1 – https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html

— use people’s names from far away whose names won’t be paid much attention to where they’re from and these people can just say it’s not them it’s a different person with the same name.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 23, 2019 11:03 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

And where there’s a lot of people as in 9/11, some names would simply be completely made up I think.

Nov 25, 2019 5:52 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

That’s the problem with the whole “conspiracy community” it takes one deranged loon or CIA bot/shill stirring the pot to ruin everything. When I’m on social media doing my stuff as a amateur historian on the Stalin period I do so well convincing people with evidence and data and context and then some random nutcase comes waltzing in going “not a single person died in the famine” and it fucks everything up in one full swoop

Nov 23, 2019 5:20 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Israel was involved in the JFK assassination just as it was in 9/11

Your meme used to be that the above were faked but now you switch over to real Israelis. Another Jew hater comes out of the closet here folks…

Occam’s razor favors both JFK and 9/11 to have been more about the US than remote Israel.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 23, 2019 8:13 AM
Reply to  Antonym

I’m not sure what your argument is Antonym. I say that death and injury were staged on 9/11 which has no relevance to Israel being involved or not. I’ve never said Israel wasn’t involved, all I say is that it doesn’t matter their level of involvement, rogue elements within the US government are the prime target. Jew hater? What goes on in your head Antonym that would you come up with such a ludicrous accusation?

I may backtrack on Israel’s involvement in the JFK assassination (which I’ve never said was faked although the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald’s shooting was) now that I’m having great doubts about Dimona (and I don’t really know that much about it) but Israel was obviously involved in 9/11 as were many other countries. The Dancing Israelis and the Israeli Art Students were anti-Israel propaganda targeted at the truthers and complete BS but Israelis actually were involved even if it was just to play patsy, for goodness sake. I mean I’m sure the leaders of most countries knew it was a staged event. Certainly our weasel, John Howard, knew as he staged a few events himself during his phony reign of terror.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 23, 2019 7:08 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

So now I’m really going to cop it but I’m going out on a limb here. I am seriously wondering if the Dimona thing is not a big fabrication cos the other day I was copied on an email about the possibility of nuclear bombs being a hoax and I looked up the book mentioned, Death Object: Exploding Nuclear Weapons by a professor of Applied Mathematics and Statistics, Akio Nakatani. It certainly has me thinking:

Vanunu, the Israeli whistleblower, is mentioned in this film and I have a bit of an allergy now to the term “whistleblower” as it often turns out that alleged whistleblowers are, in fact, intelligence agents. I always look people up in Wikipedia and if I start to laugh that’s a sign to me something’s up. Where intelligence agencies are involved, there tends to be a very obvious intelligence technique explained rather clumsily in these people’s profiles (see Edward Snowden). This is where I started to laugh:

Through constant surveillance and analysis by Mossad psychologists, the Mossad found that Vanunu had become lonely and eager for female companionship. Masquerading as an American tourist called “Cindy”, Israeli Mossad agent Cheryl Bentov befriended Vanunu, and on 30 September persuaded him to fly to Rome with her on a holiday.[53] This relation has been perceived as a classic honey trap operation whereby an intelligence agent employs seduction to gain the target’s trust—a practice which has been officially sanctioned in Israel.[54][55][56] Meanwhile, the Israeli Navy ship INS Noga was ordered to sail for Italy.[57]

The Noga, disguised as a merchant ship, was fitted with electronic surveillance equipment and satellite communications gear in its superstructure, and was primarily used to intercept communications traffic in Arab ports. As the ship was heading from Antalya in Turkey back to Haifa, the captain was instructed by encrypted message to change course for Italy and anchor off the coast of La Spezia, out of the port in international waters.

Once in Rome, Vanunu and Bentov took a taxi to an apartment in the city’s old quarter, where three waiting Mossad operatives overpowered Vanunu and injected him with a paralyzing drug. Later that night, a white van hired by the Israeli embassy arrived, and Vanunu was carried to the vehicle bound to a stretcher. The van drove with Vanunu and the agents to La Spezia’s dock, where they boarded a waiting speedboat, which reached the waiting Noga anchored off the coast. The crew of the Noga were ordered to assemble all in the ship’s common hall behind locked doors, as Vanunu and the Mossad agents boarded the ship, which then departed for Israel. During the journey, Vanunu was kept in a secluded cabin, with just the Mossad agents routinely interrogating and guarding him in turns, while none of the Noga’s crew were allowed to approach either of them.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 23, 2019 8:21 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Just to point out that if you were going by sea from Antalya to Italy, Rome is much closer than La Spezia so we have to wonder why the captain was instructed by encrypted message to anchor out of port at La Spezia which would involve a much longer trip for the white van transporting Vanunu.

Nov 22, 2019 6:51 PM

Civilization is always guided by emperors with no cloths, or true historiography. Historiography, and biography, are always coloured in a favourable light. Science proper makes the same mistakes with the publishing world whereby negative results are not published. Publishers, writers, and whores of journalism all pander to that which is favourable & pleasing to their editors of whom whoredom has become profession by choice of favoritism through the elite owning classless predator parasites of wealth transfer from working middle income serfs, and the poor.

Kennedy was assassinated because of his insistence that the USA greenback must be brought under control of American taxpayers instead of the privately owned Federal Reserve. The CIA gave him the dirt nap for having the gall to assume that he could unilaterally control American oligarchy.

The CIA always assigns assassination to the criminal underworld so that they continue to look clean from acts of murder. Murder Inc. just looks at Kennedy like any other job given that they don’t believe in the fairy tales of ethics or human benevolence.

Watch the documentary _Cocaine Cowboys_ and you will see that text book Psychopaths and the Central Intelligence Agency have much in common.

Kennedy was a philanderer and risk taker that thought his station in life was above that of everyone else. He mistakenly thought he was royalty when he was merely a functionary for the elite classless slimedouchery of wealth.

Fuck America & Uncle Sam as they appropriate the wealth of civilization through newspeak & propaganda disguised as the ‘American dream’ of having your own home and business. Jeff Bezos & Amazon took market share via stealth of monopoly which was outlawed in the 30s.

The Corporation of the United States of America will never admit to killing the Kennedy brothers or JFK Jr. They will never admit to MLK’s assassination, or the Controlled Demolition of the World Trade Centers in NYC.

Corporate liability is always nullified by leadership in third world banana republics.

I was a cognizant kid back in 63.


Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Nov 22, 2019 5:28 PM

How convenient that by the time I was a university freshman in 1970 the message being conveyed throughout MSM in America was that we young people were now no longer so much interested in social change and protest, but were now instead embracing a mantra of “tune in, turn on, drop out,” accompanied by the requisite drug use and hedonism. Before long the MSM message became that we have now collectively somehow transformed magically from a generation of social justice warriors into the self absorbed so called – “me generation” – interested only in our own “personal growth” through meditation, yoga and perhaps macrobiotic diets.

Why if one was the least bit suspicious of our murderous deep state establishment one might even suspect the hand of that ‘psychopath’s psychopath’ Allen Dulles and the CIA behind the MSM saturation propaganda campaign of that era always telling us all in no uncertain terms of our societal shift from a generation of morally principled protestors against racism and war and sexism to a generation of navel gazers. How convenient indeed. Obedient to that message I spent my twenties using the drugs of the era to numb my pain, grief and disillusionment certain that societal change was impossible after the blatant assassinations of the top four progressive leaders in America – though I never really bought the “personal enlightenment” option as a valid alternative. Luckily I returned from the dead while not all of my friends were so lucky.

Today it appears that the self-absorption of the so called “me generation” of the 1970’s has now become simply “standard operating procedure” society-wide, in our world of – total materialism, combined with total narcissism, 24/7, on every screen and channel everywhere and always – all appropriately monitored by the ghost of Allen Dulles. Meanwhile decade after decade, wave after wave of different drugs conveniently appear in sequence sweeping across America – crack, meth, ecstasy, heroin and now the pain killers and legal pot wash over and narcotize the pain of the disenfranchised, the poor and un-needed masses, maintaining in ever more blatantly corrupt power the same amoral death machine JFK, Malcolm, Martin and Bobby dared to challenge so many decades ago.

“For “even a corpse can go on whispering ‘No! No! No! with a persistence and obstinacy that only certain corpses are capable of. And how can you silence a corpse.”

Many of us still hear these “whispers” and we continue to listen and to say “no” to the madness of the war machine – thank you Ed.

George Mc
George Mc
Nov 22, 2019 8:48 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

I can’t remember where I read it (possibly in Martin A. Lee’s “Acid Dreams”) but one 60s political activist said he that, whenever he tried to organise a protest march, he was always surprised to see various fancy dress characters turning up to loudly chant for drugs and free sex. Clearly any attempt to draw attention to political matters was being deliberately undermined by diversions to encourage self-obsessed addictions while trivialising the entire anti-war movement. And no surprise that whenever the 60s are mentioned, it’s the sex ‘n drugs aspect that is emphasised.

johny conspiranoid
johny conspiranoid
Nov 23, 2019 9:16 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Kennedy fired Alen Dulles as head of the CIA. Two years later Dulles was on the Warren Commission whitewashing the assasination.

anonymous bosch
anonymous bosch
Nov 22, 2019 5:27 PM

JFK was slaughtered, in open air – an al fresco assassination staged theatrically for all to see but was mainly purposed to remind those “on duty” that if you fail to toe the line, we will not fail to eradicate you. This line must be erased and it is the masses of humanity rising up against all this evil day by day, that will see its erasure.

Nov 22, 2019 4:36 PM

Aldous Huxley died on the same day as JFK. 11 years later to the day, I was born.

Put those snippets of information together, and you get…well, not much, really. ‘Tis merely a coincidence.

Still, Happy Birthday to me! ;o)

George Mc
George Mc
Nov 22, 2019 8:50 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

C S Lewis also died on the same day. Even more curious is that all three died almost within the same hour.

George Mc
George Mc
Nov 22, 2019 8:52 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Sorry – I jumped in too quick there. When I said C S lewis died on the same day, I meant the same day that JFK died, not the same day you were born.

Nov 22, 2019 10:33 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Curious, indeed. And thanks for the clarification.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Nov 23, 2019 12:34 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

My mother was born on November 22, 1947, so Kennedy was shot on her Sweet Sixteen. That was a bummer of a party!

Nov 22, 2019 4:01 PM

Prolixity? Otherwise, a perfect piece.

Kennedy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNYyNqCSSg&app=desktop

Nov 22, 2019 2:27 PM

Within the next few weeks the empires praetorians and mages will once again have to make their move.

Either their traditional way of assassinations or submitting to the will of the representatives of the people finally.

The Empire can only change by defeat in far off places and the ensuing invasion of the pissed off victims looking to destroy the threat once and for all; or the Empire allows itself to be changed by the increasing grassroots pressure from it’s subjects and allows their chosen leaders to take over the seats and levers of power and wealth.

The world will not get safer until the empire and its murderous psychopathic criminals are ousted – if they do it willingly – i would seallow hard and not inflict terminal and total justice upon them.

If they don’t – then there would be a fight to the death – which they, being the fewer, would eventually lose. Certainly full justice and irradication would be the certain outcome of that.

Nov 22, 2019 4:08 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Good to see an element of the current reality introduced, however obliquely, to this discussion.
The Kennedy who actually lived was remarkable for openly breaching the Geneva Accords of 1954 which had produced an uneasy peace in Vietnam pending re-unification elections. And for switching the emphasis of the military campaign in Vietnam to a programme of counter-insurgency, which included raids on neighbouring countries and, of course, the use of death squads and assassins.
It is ironical that Kennedy, who favoured CIA techniques and followed the advice of Edward Lansdale, opposing US military involvement actually paved the way for that involvement. Ironical too that it was the CIA which took the blame for his killing.

Whatever…as you suggest Imperialism, right now has a far bigger fish to fry; at a time in which the Empire is retreating on several critical fronts under pressure from a revived Sino-Russian alliance, close to the centre of the system, in the UK, a political challenge to NATO, the automatic support of Israeli aggression in the middle east and opposition to the rolling reaction in Latin America, is being mounted.
I wonder why we are talking about what happened between 1960-63 and celebrating what, at the very most, was not opposition to imperialism but Kennedy’s preference for the more elegant techniques of counter insurgency in extending the Empire’s power. The point of counter insurgency was, by use of the exploding carrot as well as the big stick, to counter the appeal of socialism and colonial liberation.

George Mc
George Mc
Nov 22, 2019 8:57 PM
Reply to  bevin

Yes I’ve heard the “Who cares about JFK because he was a bastard too” mantra. Well maybe he was. But that’s not the point. The point is that this assassination proves that there is a deep organisation that will stop at nothing to ensure their plans go ahead – even obliterating minimal interference. (Assuming that’s all JFK threatened)

Nov 22, 2019 11:50 PM
Reply to  George Mc

That really wasn’t the point that I was trying to make.
I don’t doubt that there are forces in The Establishment that go to any length to prevent influential people to change course and lead the public away from long established policies, on the continuance of which many powerful positions and large financial interests depend. And that that may very well have been what lay behind the assassination.
I doubt none of those things I merely believe that at this moment in history, when a challenge to the warmongering policies and hegemonic ambitions of the Empire centred in Washington is actually under weigh in the form of a Labour party campaign which constitutes a much more radical and broad based challenge to vested interests in both Europe and north America, the assassinations that we should be vigilant to prevent are those which are yet to occur. Unless one counts the systematic and vicious campaigns of attack against Corbyn and indeed Assange as earnests of the violence to come.
In a word my point was that this website seems to have developed a blind spot where the General Election, likely the most consequential in more than a century, is concerned. And it is emblematic of a refusal to come to grips with what is happening now that Off Guardian returns with an almost orgiastic relief to the old standby and bygone matters of the events in Dallas in 1963 and in New York on the eleventh of September 2001.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Nov 23, 2019 5:58 AM
Reply to  bevin

Good point about OffG and the GB GE.
Corbyn is too much to the right (for one founder who shall remain nameless) and not strongly enough pushing for Brexit, so he cannot be supported by OffG.
Then, Boris cannot be criticised for his odiousness because he’s bringing on their Brexit Nirvana – which they bizarrely believe will bring on their British Democratic Republic rather than the reality of Britain becoming a de facto State of the USA.
In their dilemma they remain silent on the most important GE in decades.

Editor:In his eagerness to complain about something Frank Speaker seems to have missed the fact we currently have several articles about the GE on our front page, and completely erased from his awareness the numerous times we have defended Corbyn & endorsed Labour. Strange indeed. – ed.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Nov 23, 2019 5:42 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Dear Ed, perhaps you did not notice that I was replying to Bevin who was the one raising the issue / observation of very few GE articles, and I fully agreed with him.
Hopefully we can all agree that if Corbyn fails to become PM, the country is utterly fecked for at least a generation.

Nov 23, 2019 7:23 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Admin – to be fair the last was on the 18th, a week ago and was presaged by another brexity ones …
Maybe some more regularly as we move into the last few weeks of the election?
There are all sorts of subjects – minutae of manifestos, local opinions, daily PROPAGANDA.. etc.

I certtainly have no objection to the current article given the anniversary and all but surely Petra/flax fodder can be minimised for the duration?

Heck if you haven’t got anyone in the stable to run – i’m sure bevin, would be capable of throwing a few thousand words on for us to wallow about in 😋

Nov 24, 2019 12:22 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Your “Great Britain” has been fecked for decades.

Nov 23, 2019 11:57 AM
Reply to  bevin

You read me right, but i cannot endorse your view on the dead kennedy’s and the other assassinations – many others are not mentioned- including the ones of the original 9/11 – they never really stopped and are underway again in Bolivia..,

I avidly watched the impeachment hearings – or to be clear, i paid more attention to the minority ‘cross examinations’, as i noted elsewhere it feels a bit odd to be on the side of the republicans.

They are of course factions of a power elite who revel in their false dichotomy of what they call each othet – Left / Right. When the rest of the wirld knows they are but just different cheeks of the same buttocks – thiefs, liars, cheats, warmongers, outlaws…

Hearing the claims of ‘exceptionalism’ from both sides in their giant plot to steal all of Ukraines resources. The enormous numbers of their 3lettered agencies involved there – hell the FBI were there, they are supposed to be internal, just as the CIA are all over the plot against Trump, they are supposed to be external!

Then we got to finally glimpse the NSC through the now trending Fiona Hill. Er i mean Dr. The new Dr Strangelove in my eyes – “yeah give them our lethal Javelin and lets cook them in their tanks…”

This person with her supposedly weong kind of accent to make a success in UK! It is posh Northumberland – there were kings from there!

What i saw was a fabricated narrative. That narrative and her are being promoted by the usual ‘liberal’ arse cheeks of the media. She looks destined for political election. The people are crooning already; the Groans running doe eyed articles.

She wailed about separation of external and internal – hypocrite.
How about Pompeo’s speech to their Aipac about stopping Corbyns Labour?

Their ‘national intersts’ being sacrosanct – hypocrite.
How about trying to get the Ukrainian resources by attempting to poke the Russians enough to invade?

And yes while Trump is the duly elected – publicly- chief exec of the board of robber barons, he is still an outsider just like JFK was.

(JFK wasn’t groomed for that job by his father Joe – his elder brother was but he died before Joe got to install himself in the Chief executives seat by proxy – so he put JFK in! Thinking he would be a fully willing proxy too – must have disappointed him and the board when he talked directly to Kruschev, and decided to make World Peace and settle their differences by a race to the moon instead, both actually having seen actual action in the War. Anyway I doubt that the board and their enforcers could have moved without Joe’s acquiescence or maybe even direction…that is tale worthy of ancient greek tragedy! )

Nov 22, 2019 2:20 PM

Edward Curtin I cant possibly thank you enough for your long interest in JFK. For what it’s worth,
I was a young Airborne soldier on that day and we were immediacy restricted to quarters. In the Spring of 1963 we were sent to Florida armed for invasion but brought back to Fort Campbell I think by order of the President. I learned this from Errol’s excellent movie “Fog Of War”.
Many Thanks,You have been most helpful…

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Nov 22, 2019 2:19 PM

The world took heed of US murdering long ago, even if Us citizens have not.

The US is no longer seen as any beacon of freedom, more the apotheosis of organised genocide. Oh not crude concentration camps like Auschwitz. No, never-ending 50,000 here, ten thousand there, not enough to rouse the world to do to the US what the world did to the nazis, but enough that everyone knows that powerful Americans are callous genocidal killers without a trace of the religious piety they so falsely promote across the globe.

We know what Mike Pompeo and John Bolton are. Killers and torturers. We know what Philip Zellikow and Paul Wolfowitz were. Dissemblers and cowards. We know why the School of the Americas had to rebrand itself: it was a training school in genocide. We know what just went on in Bolivia, what is going on in Hong Kong, what was tried in Venezuela. US fascists overthrowing legitimate governments that do not kiss the US’ genocidal ass.

We know what the cloaked killers are trying to do to Tulsi Gabbard. Smear her, sideline her, belittle her. If she looked like she might win, they might even have to kill her.

None of us admire the US, none of us that actually have functioning brains.

Those of us that can be bought can seek false prestige, unwarranted office doing the bidding of appalling US animals. We can never actually help our own nations that way.

What we can still do is support those seeking true justice for 9/11 through a Grand Jury empanelled in downtown NYC. The President will do nothing, Congress will do nothing. It has to be the people.

US politics is in its death throes. It represents no one but evil rich actors.

When enough Americans realise this and storm the fortress, maybe change can occur.

It will not occur voting in ridiculous rigged elections…..

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Nov 22, 2019 5:37 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

A great post Rhys – spot on the money. Thank you

John Thatcher
John Thatcher
Nov 22, 2019 12:59 PM

“We are consumed by trivia, mostly by choice”,yes,the modern equivalent of whistling to keep the devil away

Nov 22, 2019 3:21 PM
Reply to  John Thatcher

I’m minded of Mansun’s brilliant song “Legacy”:

Life is wearing me thin
I feel so drained, my legacy
A sea of faces just like me