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The Dirty War on the NHS

Philip Roddis

I saw this film last night at a one-off screening in Derby. It’s all you’d expect of a John Pilger documentary. Polished and professional? Well of course, but more importantly:

Hard hitting, its straight-from-the shoulder interrogations of power a far cry from the posturing of mainstream interviewers who, doubtless in all sincerity – albeit of the self serving kind – mistake Paxmanesque aggression for the real deal.[1]

Comprehensive, its lengthy passages from across the pond showing the deathly realities of an American model to which our leaders, Blair and Milburn absolutely included, have for four decades secretly aspired. (Pilger offers a plethora of smoking guns to leave us in no doubt on the point.) In this they have been driven by a mix brutally familiar to those of us not fully asleep. This blend of evidence-defying fanaticism with revolving door venality is already their political legacy, and will assuredly be their most fitting epitaph.

Joining the dots. Though Dirty War on the NHS remains focused on that iconic institution and its ancillaries in the Beveridge vision of a welfare state, there are clues throughout as to the wider generalisability of what we are seeing, and slowly waking up to in our own lives. Ours is not a democracy in any meaningful sense of the word. Ours is a world in which an elite class pursues its narrow interests through a grotesque but sophisticated parody of the same. To the techno-managerialspeak of our brave new era – war is peace, truth is lies and ignorance is strength – we can add privatising the world is progressive, the end of collectivism the true goal of reform.

As credits rolled to Hubert Parry’s arrangement of William Blake’s Jerusalem, the lights slowly undimmed and a man in the front row stood up, mike in hand. Knowledgeable and a confident speaker – but without that love of his own voice which too often accompanies those qualities – he said a few words then opened the floor for questions.

With a train to catch, I shot up my hand to grab the mike:

I’ve come from Nottingham, where there’s no public screening. I only learned of the film today, from a Facebook friend. We’re some sixty hours from polling stations opening up for the most important general election since 1945.[2]

I could have watched this at home online, strictly between six and ten pm, by purchasing a code allowing access. I thought it more fitting to see it with others. Now I want to alert everyone I know to a powerful film that could hardly be more urgent. But I can’t, can I?

Why was the viewing so restricted?

Other than sympathetic noises from the host, and from the three questioners immediately after me, I received no answer. Nobody knew.

I slipped out as quietly as I could. On the first bitterly cold night of the year one wreck of a man shuffled up to ask for spare change. All I had in my wallet were plastic and my rail ticket.

[1] For an up-to-the-minute account of one small instance of how slavishly ‘our’ media have served to distract us, see Kit Knightly’s piece today in OffGuardian.

[2] Anyone sensing a contradiction between this assertion, and my earlier one that we don’t live in a meaningful democracy, might wish to contact me. I wanted to keep this post short but am happy to discuss that particular aspect of the matter elsewhere.

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Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Dec 15, 2019 1:45 AM

The Great NHS Heist was removed from YouTube (it was made “private” after the election), but I found it elsewhere on YouTube. In case you missed it, here it is:

Vivian J
Vivian J
Dec 12, 2019 2:39 PM

I am surprised that the profound negative health impact of 5G technology rarely gets mentioned on this site (forgive me for shoe-horning the issue into this thread, but it will greatly impact the NHS, under discussion). IMO it is an absolutely massive issue, turning our towns and cities into microwave irradiation zones, with dire health consequences. There is a lot of medical evidence to support these concerns (start with Prof Martin Pall)…

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 11, 2019 8:22 PM

Peter Obourne is going to vote Corbyn: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/11/boris-johnson-destroy-britain-conservative-revolutionary-sect This bit is curious: Something horrible has happened. The Conservative party lies. It cheats. It bullies. It’s not the wise, gentle, decent party of the postwar era. I wonder whether Boris Johnson and his squalid associates are Conservatives at all. The Conservativism I understand is about public duty, generosity, the instinct to conserve what is good in our society; the importance of the rule of law and of institutions; suspicion of leaps in the dark. I am thinking of the Conservatism of Burke, Lord Salisbury, Oakeshott. To which I can only ask: Where has Oborne been all this time? Didn’t most conservatives figure out a long time ago that Margaret Thatcher wasn’t “a conservative”? But then there has always been a tension, to say the least, between conservatism and capitalism. Indeed “conservatism” has always been a con. Conserve what? They were always… Read more »

Vivian J
Vivian J
Dec 12, 2019 7:16 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Oborne was always something of an oddity – a true Blue real-ale supping cricket-loving Tory who yet had an in insight into the true nature of the Middle-East, seeing Iran as a victim of (previous and potential) Western neo-con/lib aggression…

edited by Admin to correct typo

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 11, 2019 7:51 PM

This may be old news. I think Lundiel referred to it:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/11/heal-d11.html

I did think it odd that the WSWS would be turning to Guido Fawkes for an article. Although perhaps the Ashworth conversation is true.

The biggest problem – indeed THE problem behind everything was pointed out by one comment on the WSWS by one “solerso”:

In capitalist societies the notion that capitalists (who else? ) have the “right to profit” – off of anything and anyone they can, without exception – is the unquestioned, unexamined starting point for every allocation of resources.

And that unquestioned, unexamined starting point is the great vampire maw underlying the entire system.

paul
paul
Dec 11, 2019 7:09 PM

18% of US GDP goes on healthcare, $3.7 trillion.
But that includes $5,000 per ambulance journey and $750 for a pill that costs a few cents to produce.
An appendectomy costs $60,000 in the US compared to $125 in Russia.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 11, 2019 6:52 PM

A work colleague today who had visited America told me of the utter lack of comprehension amongst those raised in the states as to what the NHS is and what it does. So she explained that it means you get treatment for whatever you need and it’s free – and they just stare at her in wonder. And yet all the way through American articles I have read, there is this constantly emphasised horror at “socialised medicine” and how it will “enslave” everyone!

The American health system i.e. “Freedom’s health system” is utterly barbaric. I recall one comparative survey of the health systems of various countries in which the US came out the most expensive – and when you looked at the bill, they charge for everything down to use of the waiting room!

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 11, 2019 8:56 PM
Reply to  George Mc

You can tell a lot about the US health care system by some of the toads defending it.

I’ve posted this before but it crystallises just how grotesque market fundamentalists are.
As an aside Ayan Rand and Freidrich Hayek scored highly in the hypocrite stakes each performing a volte face once confronted by significant illness (claiming social security to assist with medical bills). Both learned the hard way the market does not always provide.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Dec 11, 2019 11:07 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Ayn (not Ayan) Rand, the psychopathic hero of so many Republicans and Libertarians.

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Dec 14, 2019 9:26 PM
Reply to  Vierotchka

Ayn Rand may have been the first person to actually have contracted “Mad Cow’s Disease”, leading eventually to Margaret Thatcher who died of it, to the great joy of the British ‘Working Class’.
The Right Wing ‘ruling class’ however, very much miss her…….and are searching for another…….

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Dec 14, 2019 9:45 PM
Reply to  Brian Harry

Nothing to do with variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, of course. They both were mad cows, psychopaths.

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Dec 15, 2019 1:01 AM
Reply to  Vierotchka

“Ding Dong the Witch is dead”…….

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 12, 2019 8:41 AM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Rand and Hayek were always the most useful of the useful idiots making excuses for the inexcusable. The real masters above them never had any illusions. They were happy to stuff their insatiable maws while their little eager moron pets yapped around them.

Mucho
Mucho
Dec 11, 2019 3:21 PM

Frank Zappa – The Central Scrutinizer
A visionary in genius mode

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Dec 11, 2019 3:18 PM

John Pilger Calls UK National Health Service a Treasure, Blasts US Healthcare Democracy Now 7/2/09

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Dec 11, 2019 3:14 PM

Facebook Live: The Dirty War on the NHS

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Dec 11, 2019 3:04 PM

Here is another excellent film – long but well-documented and very thorough, a must watch:

ZigZagWanderer
ZigZagWanderer
Dec 11, 2019 8:46 PM
Reply to  Vierotchka

Powerful and essential . Find the time to watch this.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Dec 15, 2019 1:44 AM
Reply to  Vierotchka

That video was removed, but I found another one which is still on YouTube:

Nils
Nils
Dec 11, 2019 1:26 PM

Why is the NHS always spoken of with the name NHS? I don’t know any other country where they do it. And why does the British health service’s future seem so uncertain unlike in other Western countries? Genuine questions.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Dec 11, 2019 3:11 PM
Reply to  Nils

Because it is much shorter than saying “National Health Service”.
Its future seems uncertain because it is unlike any other country’s health service, I reckon, and because the USA has long conspired with some right-wing elements in the UK and with some New Labour (a very Thatcherite Labour introduced by Blair) elements in the UK to privatize and take-over the NHS.

Nils
Nils
Dec 11, 2019 11:33 PM
Reply to  Vierotchka

I kind of meant they don’t use a specific name for the health service in any other countries, I think.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Dec 12, 2019 3:20 AM
Reply to  Nils

Barring the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK (and all countries where English is the language), people and countries don’t talk in acronyms.

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Dec 14, 2019 9:40 PM
Reply to  Vierotchka

They’ll catch up with us one day…….and, find something worthy to complain about, Vierotchka…..OK??

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Dec 14, 2019 9:46 PM
Reply to  Brian Harry

I think those people are far too intelligent and well educated for that.

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 11, 2019 3:22 PM
Reply to  Nils

To your first question, Nils, NHS is among those institutions so well known that its initials suffice to identify it. Others being CIA, USSR, USA, FBI, KGB and BBC. To your second, I’m not sufficiently au fait with the health service provision of, say, France or Portugal to give any detailed answer, but of this we can be sure. The drive to privatise and monetise every sphere of the human experience – a drive that takes in the creeping privatisation of the NHS, the fall of the Soviet Union and the wars of aggression on the middle east, to give but a few examples – is not unique to Britain. It is at the heart of capital’s laws of motion. Born in 1952, all my life has been spent in an atypical bubble within capitalism. Due to the cold war, capitalism in the West was obliged to behave nicely to… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Dec 11, 2019 7:12 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Every party in the UK has found the magic money trees. According to the joke: Labour has found the whole forest. Surely that is a push factor? This whole election is an object case study of the Polanyian ‘double movement’ of finance capital protecting its core inner logic of maximised accumulation with state handouts as an inducement to vote. Which further ties us into the ‘market society’ by internalising social reality as a totally contingent function of market forces. Systemically overfinancialised, globally vulnerable, and institutionally fragile market forces – buoyed only by investor overconfidence – to which we are incredibly exposed …particularly as an 80% financial service market society in the UK. I’ve tried to get people to cross reference with with Klaus Schwab and the WEF: who have been advocating a social inclusivity compact for years. For no other reason than to protect globalisations core logic from populism: of… Read more »

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 11, 2019 7:44 PM
Reply to  BigB

“So we go to the polls tomorrow …”

Fantastic, BigB. You know, I’d all but given up on you as hopelessly lost to sectarianism!

BigB
BigB
Dec 12, 2019 2:11 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Sectarianism: we are at the polls today to give legal-rational legitimacy to the latest greenwashed iteration of Eurocentric white supremacist racism and ecofascism.

Is there anything more sectarian than that? I think not. Which is why I am taking a relatively solitary stance against it. But come on Phillip: I do not need to tell you about globalised surplus value extraction. Where do you think an 80% financial services market society gets its surplus value from? And how do you think it is going to exponentially extend its expropriation?

Or are we taking the capitalist line that free trade, equally entered into, is no robbery? Because we both know that is a lie.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 12, 2019 1:30 AM
Reply to  BigB

Carbon Based Taxation and the Green Bond buy in is predicted to be approximately a $23 trillion USD enterprise if we are to take Mark Carney at his pronouncement upon departure of BofE and entry to the United Nations.

It’s a good way to cover up Federal Reserve incompetency & overnight REPO problems with institutional liquidity.

MOU

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Dec 11, 2019 1:15 PM

I wrote to a comment on the same theme yesterday https://off-guardian.org/2019/12/07/reddit-bans-users-for-telling-the-truth/#comment-105128 Invested illusions taken for a private sense of freedom, seek ‘sustainability’ at cost of truth. Truth is not an idol but a functionality or workability. The painful burden of dysfunctionality in death and taxes then becomes a source of energy and sustainability for the maintaining of the lie and the father of it as social and scientific consensus. Hence we have predatory ‘services’ across the whole range of social function, that operate a conflict or sickness management system – that in medical terms operates under the doublethink of ‘Healthcare’ – based in invested identity in the body as a weapon or defence – rather than as a means of communication and communion that is it functional expression. Medical treatment is the third leading cause of death in UK/US. If honest account were made of treatments for the first two… Read more »

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Dec 11, 2019 2:23 PM
Reply to  Brian Steere

binra, It is actually even worse than that: “Medical treatment is the third leading cause of death in UK/US. If honest account were made of treatments for the first two – then medical treatment would likely be the leading cause of death” Whilst the NHS, can still be extremely good for dealing with traumatic injury, if you get lucky, and get to a working A&E quickly enough, I am personally convinced, that visiting your doctor, when you are in otherwise good health, is one of the most dangerous things you can do. They are almost certain to find something wrong with you, particularly if you are over 50. One of the main reasons for this, is that doctors, are heavily financially incentivised, to prescribe drugs for you, which are very physically harmful, particularly when taken on a long term basis. Whilst I accept that some people have medical conditions, that… Read more »

Barovsky
Barovsky
Dec 11, 2019 3:01 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

100% with you on this!!! Capitalism is dangerous to your health.

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Dec 11, 2019 9:18 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Well ‘worse than the leading case of death is quite a claim – but you bring out the side I am most interested in and that is awaking self-responsibilty as part of a shared re-education. We are being framed, induced, nudged, engineered, propagandised and manipulated at every level – and yet much of this has a negative synergy that can make perfect sense to those who see eugenics by stealth as giving people the rope to hang themselves with – while milking the taxpayer (NHS) for farming the sickness – that as you say may be an invented set of risk markers – ie Cholesterol – whose goalposts can be arbitrarily moved – and which persists despite the theory being unsupported by science. I vote that A&E should be the primary focus of NHS. Lifestyle choices that are unsustainable (disease inducing) are a captured revenue stream for Big Ag/Pharma. As… Read more »

John2o2o
John2o2o
Dec 11, 2019 11:23 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

“I am personally convinced, that visiting your doctor, when you are in otherwise good health is one of the most dangerous things you can do.”

Erm, Tony. I’m not sure that your average GP would be too chuffed being confronted by a surgery full of people in good health.

“They are almost certain to find something wrong with you, particularly if you are over 50.”

A lot of people visiting their doctor would be heartened too know that.

John2o2o
John2o2o
Dec 11, 2019 11:24 PM
Reply to  John2o2o

I don’t mean to sound glib, but I only go to my doctor if I feel unwell.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Dec 12, 2019 6:42 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony

I proved 30 years ago that 4 months of daily exercise outdoors, three square meals a day and absolute freedom from TV and newspapers cures depression.

Very bad news for pharma, that, but I am only telling the truth.

I also proved the past four months that daily exercise with a mattock clearing an allotment clears up skin infections.

BigB
BigB
Dec 11, 2019 1:02 PM

Radical analysis is dead in this country. Revolutionary politics is dead and taboo. And eco-radical analysis is just a thing in my head: which will never reach actionable polity status. Whatever happens tomorrow: we will have a new capitalist state on Friday the 13th …which seems to be only a nightmare to a marginalised few: including me. Whoever the operant conditioning lottery, sorry vote, goes for: the capitalist state – as a proxy for green finance neoliberalism – gets in. There is no point saying do not be fooled by the party propagandic rhetoric: because nationally and locally …most people already are taken in. The NHS is gone: long before any vote was ever cast. Probably from 1982. I know: because my Mum told me so. And she worked in the NHS from its very inception. Radical analysis would show that once the NHS was contingent on market forces: it… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Dec 11, 2019 1:21 PM
Reply to  BigB

Comments made not on this, but other boards: I should add. Particularly the election capitulation board. “I had not thought death had undone so many”.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 12, 2019 1:50 AM
Reply to  BigB

Holly shit BB is there any chance you can contain your messages in less eye ball wearing short stories?

“Whatever happens tomorrow: we will have a new capitalist state on Friday the 13th …”

I would point you to what the ‘unlucky Friday the 13 th’ meme refers to – when you refer to a capitalist state.

You’ll have plenty of time to look it up now that it’s all over bar the fiddling as the fat lady enters stage left.

Staying up all night for the results?

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 12, 2019 10:17 AM
Reply to  BigB

This question has preoccupied the Left for a hundred years. Ever since Lenin advised the fledgling Communist Party of Britain to “support the Labour Party as a rope supports a hanged man” (interesting metaphor, that, from one whose brother went to the gallows after a failed ultra-leftist uprising against the Tsar) it has divided those who see parliamentary democracy for the chimera it actually is. There are those within that minority – anarchists for instance – who couldn’t care less what Lenin thought. And even those who do care fall into two broad camps. Both see a stark choice for humanity: socialism or barbarism. (The latter updated to add environmental meltdown to the list of possibilities.) And both are with Marx in insisting a capitalist ruling class will never allow socialism via the parliamentary route. (That seventies film, A Very British Coup, is excellent on the why and how of… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Dec 12, 2019 1:14 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Nothing to offer but life. Life which the neoliberal market economy society has all but rejected. So we have two flavours of market economy society to choose from. Both are completely contingent functions of the globalisation of market forces. And we make the limited self-preservational choice on marginal contingent policies – subject to the global free-enterprise market doing well from its core ‘money multiplier cancer’. So how do you choose a particular brand of metastases? Or between cancer and kidney-failure? On a pantomime unpopularity contest? I cannot believe we have got to the latest stage of capitalism’s cancerous imperialism over all life without even diagnosing the pathology and etiology of our disease. Have you read McMurtry’s ‘Cancer Stage of Capitalism’? Because it diagnoses the ‘transnational money multiplier sequence’ as being the ’cause of causes’ and ‘pathology of pathologies’. Which has its central accumulation hub in the City of London. And… Read more »

Tish Farrell
Tish Farrell
Dec 11, 2019 12:04 PM

You can share The Great NHS Heist film on YouTube. At 2 hours long it probably covers the same ground:

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 11, 2019 12:22 PM
Reply to  Tish Farrell

Or a precis by Bob Gill (a GP) who explains exactly what is going down – the sections he discusses are;
*The role of the media and government narrative.
*Private Finance Initiative: loans & debt.
*’Sustainability and Transformation Plans’.
*Why isn’t there more fuss?
*TTIP / CETA – role of trade deals.
*Data mining.
*Three elements to the NHS heist (the budget, the land, information: see Google)

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Dec 11, 2019 3:06 PM
Reply to  Tish Farrell

Oh, I just posted the same thing, didn’t see your post. I came across that video almost accidentally in a comment on YouTube below a different video! Sorry about that. 🙂

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 11, 2019 12:02 PM

‘Doh – it’s about saving the NHS stoopid!’

As I have been banging on for ages. The final Labour Broadcast is on just that point – smaltzy but I suppose it has to be.

But for ‘some’ its all about their precious HARD brexit.

But the voters are not having it

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/12/the-largest-vote-swings-in-british-general-election-history-censored-out-by-the-bbc-and-mainstream-media/

bob
bob
Dec 11, 2019 3:00 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

“But the voters are not having it” – you mean the anti-democratic remoaners?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 12, 2019 1:30 AM
Reply to  bob

Lol “remoaners” thats’s so …’dementia tax’.

Pack your bags. You’re done.

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 11, 2019 5:33 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

For personal reasons I’ve been unable to canvass, Dungroanin. But I’m in touch with several who have been door knocking in the marginals: places like Northeast Derbyshire, Mansfield and Penistone.

All have said the same thing: Brexit barely features (and antisemitism never). The media have lied about this as they do about so much else. The last thing our ruling class wants is a clear focus on the central concerns of people shafted by an ‘austerity’ that has provided cover for the rich getting richer, services and job security getting worse and worse, as Capital seeks as ever to make the labour sellers pay for its crises.

As you and my door-knocking pals have said, Brexit is not one of those ‘central concerns’.

bob
bob
Dec 11, 2019 11:47 AM

…. and don’t forget the DWP , the bastion of fairness and competence

https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2019/01/14/the-dwp-has-admitted-21000-people-died-waiting-for-benefits/

Killing people has been normalised to such an extent that nobody cries ‘FOUL’ anymore – maybe we don’t need health care at all – just kill off anybody who doesn’t go with the ‘narrative’

bob
bob
Dec 11, 2019 11:36 AM

It was the terrible twins duo of Bliar & Brown who started the rot by opening up the NHS to the private sector. The introduction of PFIs didn’t help. There is an intricate network of private healthcare in the UK all ready and waiting to be switched on. The NHS as an ideal is still worthy of merit but the state it is in today it could well be closed down, as like most public services, it’s on its last legs in terms of providing worthy services. This is all deliberate … and not in the interests of the population. But hey, we voted to leave the EU but are not going to, what do we know – the ‘experts in government and the health industry have other ideas

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 11, 2019 12:28 PM
Reply to  bob

The neoconmen Blairites were The Establishments final destruction by internal planted mole takeover of the postwar Labour movement- they had to be the party to destroy what they set up – so that history could show that and Tories would not be blamed.

Just as the NuLabInc chicken PLooPers were supposed to nail that coffin lid and deliver the Hard Brexit for their Globalised ubberlords.

Not going to happen. All of the people cannot be fooled ALL of the time.

davemass
davemass
Dec 11, 2019 11:11 AM

Saw a headline ’15 billion of NHS contracts gone to private sector since 2015 (Cameron reelected).
Some for equipment, fair enough, but more for ‘services’.
NHS and UK are gone, if Johnson wins tomorrow…

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Dec 11, 2019 11:07 AM

“I could have watched this at home online, strictly between six and ten pm, by purchasing a code allowing access.”

How do I do this? I want to watch it tonight.

I had already decided not to vote, but this might change my mind.

Tony

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Dec 11, 2019 12:16 PM
Reply to  Estaugh

Estaugh, Thanks, but that doesn’t help. It appears to have only been made available for online screening for 5 hours on the 9th December. I appreciate that the film makers, want to be paid for making the film, and I am quite happy to pay a few quid to watch it, but they will not allow it, unless I travel into London tonight and see it a cinema. It will be shown after the election on ITV, which will be too late for it to have any effect whatsoever on how, I or anyone else votes. So I won’t bother as originally intended, as I don’t like any of them. Its just that Labour are probably the least worst, and they stand no chance of getting in where I live, so there is no point in voting.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 11, 2019 12:20 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Having deeply considered your posts and replies and your well considered arguments and rigorouness on various topics specifically the need to vote in the MOST important election this century and most of the end of the last …i doubt you will.

But.

If you do an arse about face i suggest vote Corbynites Labour – Y NOT COMPO?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Dec 11, 2019 12:54 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Dungroanin, Blimey you’ve got a good memory. I’m impressed. I have not posted under the handle compo for about 20 years. This was about the same time as Bill Owen (compo) in Last of The Summer Wine died at the age of 85. This was entirely coincidental. Even then I didn’t watch much TV, and had never heard of him.

Tony

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Dec 11, 2019 10:58 AM

Yesterday I read that since 2016, a very detailed study by NHS doctors has proven a DIRECT causal link between increased A&E waiting times and the deaths of patients waiting beyond the required waiting time in their emergency. In a mere 3 years, it stated that more than 5,400 people have completely needlessly died, thanks to Tory mismanagement. Directly related. These needlessly dead people are our families, friends, neighbours, co-workers. Where’s the outrage on the BBC and Sky etc? Oh, here it is…Corbyn may have upset the feelings of a small fraction of 0.5% of the population – what an absolute monster! Let’s make sure he does not become PM! Forget thousands of our own citizens needlessly dying, that’s not nearly as important as Corbyn being an appalling “anti-Semite”, or him being a Commie who will give back water, railways, electricity back to the ownership of the people of this… Read more »

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 11, 2019 11:35 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

‘The UK political scene, and the disgusting media is sick, terminally so, in my opinion. It’s an absolute cesspit of immorality, lies, deception.’ – spot on. Highly paid, entitled individuals who dedicate their existance to supporting the status quo. Such self-serving individuals are ALWAYs on the wrong side of stories that really matter – war, Assange, Grenfell, the NHS, and most recently the father who felt revulsion at Johnsons cack-handed attempts to exploit his sons murder for cheap political capital. Contrast this with the dignity of the Hillsborough families: currently trying to process the view of the British establishment that no one is guilty for 96 deaths as opposed to establishment figures like Prince Andrew, a man dealt a fatal blow to his reputation after a TV interview that reeked of duplicity, and self-interest. Until the children of media figures, or those they suck up to, are eating out of… Read more »

Mucho
Mucho
Dec 11, 2019 2:20 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Anyone who wants to bring themselves to a state of uncontrollable, blood-spitting anger, listen to Radio 5. Today I listened to this vile piece of BBC filth, Emma Barnett. I seriously hate this country and everything it has become, the people, the culture, everything stinks of Satan’s rotting shit, because it’s becoming ever-more populated by nauseating, gut-wrenching, deeply unpleasant assholes like this odious excuse for a woman. Extreme listener caution recommended, only tune in when alone and if you have your own padded room and taped-up lips, so when you start headbutting the wall, lashing out violently, screaming blue-murder and punching things at random, despite your usual calm demeanour, you will at least live to see another day and won’t ruin your own life with an unwanted criminal record. The BBC is a disgusting organisation, infested with pseudo-corporate, asskissing filthbags like this. WARNING – EMMA BARNETT’S THOUGHT PROCESSES, QUESTIONING AND… Read more »

Mucho
Mucho
Dec 11, 2019 2:26 PM
Reply to  Mucho

Not pseudo corporate, just corporate, with all its offensive connotations

paul
paul
Dec 11, 2019 7:25 PM
Reply to  Mucho

At the risk of being sexist, there is an endless supply of these media bimbo wimmin, people like Bay Kurley, who generally adopt the Ali G. style of interviewing and presenting. Sports coverage is getting overrun by them.

Though they are still less obnoxious than Snow, Clarkson, or David Bumblebee.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Dec 11, 2019 10:43 AM

There is nothing the UK undertakers will not sell off, they actually look up to Blackrock, G4S and SERCO.

People have this delusion that reasonable debate will get the puppetmasters to come to heel. Big mistake.

They need to know that their children will be bumped off and then on prime time TV they will be asked the one dynamite question they should have to answer: ‘ WAS IT WORTH IT, losing your bloodline to steal everything?’

That might bring them to the table.

Not much else would….

Note the word PUPPETMASTERS.

You want change, they have to dealt with.

Bors Johnson and Corbyn are utterly expendable, dozens lined up to replace them.

The puppetmasters are the ones that have to go and their potential successors need to know they will go the same way….

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 11, 2019 8:09 AM

Does this ring any bells with anyone: My local hospital now doesn’t have an accident and emergency department, it moved to a hospital about 7 miles away, though, for some, its catchment area makes it a 20-mile+ journey. The front entrance of the hospital has been remodelled, it now has a private patient reception area just inside the main doors and also contains a clothes shop, additional cafes and a beauty salon. You check yourself in on terminals which never seem to work so there is still the same number of admin staff manning the desks in each department. The hospital pharmacy has gone, replaced by a high-street brand. You don’t actually have to do too much to privatise hospitals and clinical commissioning groups, most of the leg-work is already in place. Whether they sell/give the NHS to American corporates is neither here nor there. The only thing that won’t… Read more »

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Dec 11, 2019 10:47 AM
Reply to  lundiel

I have a friend who lives in Huddersfield, an industrial town approaching 200,000 residents and its administrative district of Kirkless being 400,000 residents. Its on of the larges towns in the UK. Its football team played recently in the Premier League. She tells me that the long established hospital that has 400+ beds will be closing its A&E department, that function relocating about 8 miles away to the much smaller Halifax hospital. Anyone knowing the physical and human geography of this area knows how ridiculous this is, especially as the bulk of the Huddersfield population already have to travel across the town to get to the hospital, and now will have much further to travel, especially critical in an emergency. Both hospitals belong to the same Trust, and Halifax was saddled with a massive amount of PFI debt, it’s unsustainable, hence this ridiculuous scheme to close a large and very… Read more »

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Dec 11, 2019 10:55 AM
Reply to  lundiel

20 miles for an accident is annoying, not life-threatening. 20 miles for an emergency may kill you. ‘Accidents’ like broken arms will keep for half an hour. An acute heart problem will not. You do not have time to negotiate with three potential suppliers when you are about to drop down dead, which makes ‘market solutions’ totally ridiculous for acute medical provision. Americans campaigning ceaselessly for US takeover of the NHS should have their children murdered. Simple and effective: wipe their bloodlines out. Killing Americans means nothing, Americans do not count, they are not humans. They are fascists who only value money and are the most racist value-free group on earth. Ooh, have I outraged some self-righteous Americans? Do you think I care? The day you care about the rest of the world living as equals and you not being lawless exceptional psychotic genocidal madfolk is the day I will… Read more »

bob
bob
Dec 11, 2019 11:39 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

brill!!

Ash
Ash
Dec 11, 2019 6:26 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Do you really think everyone in America likes, supports and wants to export our horrible healthcare “system”? (Hint: it’s a small number of profiteers and their flacks, as always.) Don’t let the veneer of democracy fool you, the citizenry are not in control.

paul
paul
Dec 11, 2019 7:27 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I think we should just centralise everything and have one big mega hospital for the whole country in Birmingham.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 11, 2019 11:16 AM
Reply to  lundiel

Indeed privatisation of health care without calling it privatisation will continue apace. Expect vilification of the usual groups as the groundwork is laid by Britains rancid right wing media for what is coming. A Johnson win virtually guarantees calls for charges to curtail the explosion in; Fatties, Alcoholics, Health tourists, Single mothers, The feckles and the poor, or indeed any other group that provides the kind of emotional leverage that results in people switching off their critical facilities (and there are a lot of such people around, especially the concern-trolls BTL at the Guardian). Tony Benn was right: it is far easier to control a frightened, in-debted and politically demoralised population. It simply amazes me that any socially aware adult would consider going into a voting booth in order to lend support to politicians who are literally killing their fellow country men, or when not plunging the country into feudal… Read more »

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Dec 11, 2019 7:53 AM

This film looks like a graphic and hard hitting defence of the NHS which Pilger would do supremely well. I particularly like his moving reference to what people fought WW2 for – absolutely correct.

A pity it is coming out so late in the election campaign. I understand it is to be shown on television – after the election. Why? Media timidity fueled by false notions of ‘balance’? Since when did such niceties inhibit the MSM from smearing Corbyn?

I hope this film is shown in all countries which have some semblance of a public health system. All are under threat.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 11, 2019 5:52 AM

I was privileged to view this RT Renegade Inc report on Monday evening. It deals with privatisation and the NHS among other things; well worth the 30mins to watch and learn (and the book, Privatised Planet, must be got, I have ordered mine already):
https://www.rt.com/shows/renegade-inc/475353-uk-private-sector-healthcare/

anonymous bosch
anonymous bosch
Dec 11, 2019 8:58 PM
Reply to  austrian peter

RT Channel – I get it on freeview – Channel 234 – and if I couldn’t get it, I would probably get rid of my television set once and for all ! Actually I have been setting up a video cam on a tripod in front of my TV screen and filming many of the informative shows that present material that would be banned by the BBC and its Neo-Liberal broadcasting cohorts. I have already collected a ‘library’ of amazing programmes, documentaries and interviews. Like yourself, Peter, I have discovered books that I just would never have heard of had it not been for the wonderful RT – a portal guiding the viewer into a world of impartial discussion and real news, filmed from ground zero by real journalists and investigative reporters – rather that these corporate bought hacks who never question anything – and do the bidding of their… Read more »

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 11, 2019 10:17 PM

Thank Anon and all your remarks which I firmly endorse. I have already written to my past MP with whom I have exchanged articles and copied my book (unpublished) manuscript, especially raising the question of Julian Assange. I have arranged a meeting if he gets re-elected in the New Year. Whilst I have reservations about some extreme policies of Jeremy Corbyn there is no doubt that he is the best of a bad bunch. I do worry a little about national security and conflicts with the deep state in this area as they are extremely powerful and given to tactics not unfamiliar to the Roman empire. I do support workers’ rights and representation on boards (Co-operatives), nationalisation of essential services and many other policies that will release the pent-up initiative of our wonderful people. I will apply my vote appropriately. You are welcome to a free PDF copy of my… Read more »

State Sponsored
State Sponsored
Dec 11, 2019 4:37 AM

Promises and slogans change dramatically before and after voting/elections.
Before voting: “We send the EU 350 million pounds a week

let’s fund our NHS instead. Vote Leave!”
After voting to Leave: Let’s trash the NHS and let’s send our money to Big Pharma in the US and let the population suffer.
Here is the campaign promise: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jul/12/how-technology-disrupted-the-truth#img-2

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Dec 11, 2019 4:06 AM

I’ve been living in the US for the last 35 years, before that I lived in the UK for 36 so I’m familiar with both systems. Although its not obvious to people who don’t live here there isn’t a US system as such, there are a lot of different ways health care is delivered, it varies from provider to provider, state to state. Many — if not most — Americans are aware of the serious shortcomings in the way that health care is delivered in the US and there have been many initiatives to fix them, the one that people in the UK are likely to know about being “Obamacare” — the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. This is only part of the picture, though. Since it would take too long for me to explain everything here (and I’m really not the best person to explain it, anyway) I’ll… Read more »

Vexarb
Vexarb
Dec 11, 2019 6:13 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

@Martin Usher: “I would accuse the UK government of bad faith and dishonesty because there are many other models that can be borrowed from to improve service and cost effectiveness of the NHS both in the US and from the rest of the world”.

Heed this well. Every successive UK regime, from Thatcher through Labour Sons of Thatcher (as Roddis states above) till Johnson today, stand accused of bad faith and dishonesty. Conversely, not everything in the U$A is bad; there are many good things in that great country, many examples of good faith and honesty, which could be taken as a model by people of good will in our own government — if only we could get people of good will into government.

Vote Corbyn, the first reasonably decent person to lead Labour in 40 years.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 11, 2019 7:47 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

I read a very poignant comment from an American in the Guardian about 10 years ago. It was just before the Lansley reforms of the GP system and the commenter predicted exactly what would happen after introducing clinical commissioning groups. He said that when a similar system was introduced in his state a decade before the practices were bought up by care providers as and when family GPs retired and the only practices to survive were in wealthy rural areas, the first to go were urban practices. He predicted the loss of a family physician, with all the benefits attached to seeing the same person who has an intimate knowledge of you and your family. This he opinioned, would be replaced by ‘harrassed locums’ who would see you for 8 minutes. He also said, the first thing a new commissioning group would do would be to move into a shiny… Read more »

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Dec 11, 2019 8:40 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

”Vote Corbyn, the first reasonably decent person to lead Labour in 40 years.” A bit too reasonable for his and his party’s own good. A purge the Blairites and the Labour Friends of Israel, should have been done long ago. The ridiculous idea that you can have Zionists and anti-Zionists in the same organization is patently ludicrous. The British deep state has a strong presence among the PLP how can Labour expect to carry out a reforming programme with the presence of this cancer? Time to start being unreasonable if Labour and Corbyn are serious.

Vexarb
Vexarb
Dec 11, 2019 9:26 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Francis, alas too true; but like Aunt Agatha’s present, we choose the last in the window before the shop shuts on Xmas eve. Also, I believe it is the responsibility of Labour voters to clean out known BLiarites at local constituency level: by their voting record shall ye know them.

PS Latest rumour? I’ve just heard a New Labourite complaining darkly about Corbyn the Dictator.

BigB
BigB
Dec 11, 2019 11:08 AM
Reply to  Vexarb

Vex: It’s been the Leitmotiv of Labour supporters that they are going to purge the Blairites …come the next Conference. Two Conference cycles came and went: nothing happened. Ah, but come the NEXT Conference… This circular self-defeating causality became unbelievable when there was a move on the ultra-Zionist Blairite Watson …only for Corbyn to personally save him. Of course, he went not long after. But the party is the party: and with no Corbynite illusion – it is just another AZC neoliberal imperialist party with an uncharismatic leader. Laden with ‘socialist sweeties’ to buy the votes of children. All those so called socialist vote-buying handouts are totally contingent on the neoliberal globalised market economy doing well. And as I have been trying to make clear: the globalised market is not doing well. Even the BIS is now concerned about the repo situation. If black swans are meant to be the… Read more »

Geoff
Geoff
Dec 11, 2019 10:29 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Well put I agree 100% , 72 Labour MPs are friends of Israel

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Dec 11, 2019 10:36 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Simply found a new party which excludes Zionists and has in its Articles of Association thats Jews are welcome but Zionists are not. That is not antisemitic, as non Zionist Jews are semites, so are tens of millions of Arabs. And they would all be welcome. Just no Zionists. By the arguments of ueberzionists, it would have been racist to ban nazis from joining all major political parties. We all know how that ended…. I want to vote for a party that will NEVER put Israel before the UK and has that as a non-negotiable starting point. I want similar commitment NOT to kowtow to US globalist fascists and a commitment to oppose all anti-democratic institutions like the EU. Economics is lower than freedom when push comes to shove in my view. Trouble is: far too many would turn a blind eye to mass murder for a four bedroom house… Read more »

Vexarb
Vexarb
Dec 11, 2019 6:51 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Rhys, a good proposal but I suggest the exclusion of Zionazis in particular rather than Zionists in general. Zionazis like Natan Yahoo and his ilk have given Zionism a bad name, just as Christian fascists like Bush and B.Liar have given Christianity a bad name, and bloodsoaked Liberals like Clinton and Lady Clinton have given Liberalism a bad name.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Dec 13, 2019 5:45 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Trump has done the legwork for you by defining Judaism as racial so that any critique of Israel in particular is taken as racism and so likely to have Federal funding withdrawn. This may not survive a court challenge but more significantly by conflating religion, race and nationality Trump has unwittingly made a move straight out of the Nazi playbook. (The rationale for excluding Jews in Germany from public life was that they were not really Germans but rather illegal immigrants. Since the first actions went primarily against poorer, “Yiddish” and more identifiable Jews the ones that should have kicked up a fuss — the loyal middle class, respectable, professional, patriotic (WW1 veteran) Jews — didn’t because this couldn’t have possibly applied to them. Until it did — and it was too late to do anything about it.) My take on this is that “Not all Roman Catholics are Italian”.… Read more »