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The Art of Doublespeak: Bellingcat and Mind Control

Edward Curtin

In the 1920s, the influential American intellectual Walter Lippman argued that the average person was incapable of seeing or understanding the world clearly and needed to be guided by experts behind the social curtain.

In a number of books he laid out the theoretical foundations for the practical work of Edward Bernays, who developed “public relations” (aka propaganda) to carry out this task for the ruling elites.

Bernays had honed his skills while working as a propagandist for the United States during World War I, and after the war he set himself up as a public relations counselor in New York City.

There is a fascinating exchange at the beginning of Adam Curtis’s documentary, The Century of Self (above), where Bernays, then nearly 100 years old but still very sharp, reveals his manipulative mindset and that of so many of those who have followed in his wake.

He says the reason he couldn’t call his new business “propaganda” was because the Germans had given propaganda a “bad name,” and so he came up with the euphemism “public relations.” He then adds that “if you could use it [i.e. propaganda] for war, you certainly could use it for peace.”

Of course, he never used PR for peace but just to manipulate public opinion (he helped engineer the CIA coup against the democratically elected Arbenz government in Guatemala in 1954 with fake news broadcasts).

He says “the Germans gave propaganda a bad name,” not Bernays and the United States with their vast campaign of lies, mainly aimed at the American people to get their support for going to a war they opposed (think weapons of mass destruction).

He sounds proud of his war propaganda work that resounded to his credit since it led to support for the “war to end all wars” and subsequently to a hit movie about WWI, Yankee Doodle Dandy, made in 1942 to promote another war, since the first one somehow didn’t achieve its lofty goal.

As Bernays has said, “The American motion picture is the greatest unconscious carrier of propaganda in the world today.”

He was a propagandist to the end. I suspect most viewers of the film are taken in by these softly spoken words of an old man sipping a glass of wine at a dinner table with a woman who is asking him questions.

I have shown this film to hundreds of students and none has noticed his legerdemain. It is an example of the sort of hocus-pocus I will be getting to shortly, the sly insertion into seemingly liberal or matter-of-fact commentary of statements that imply a different story.

The placement of convincing or confusing disingenuous ingredients into a truth sandwich – for Bernays knew that the bread of truth is essential to conceal untruth.

In the following years, Bernays, Lippman, and their ilk were joined by social “scientists,” psychologists, and sundry others intent on making a sham out of the idea of democracy by developing strategies and techniques for the engineering of social consensus consonant with the wishes of the ruling classes.

Their techniques of propaganda developed exponentially with the development of technology, the creation of the CIA, its infiltration of all the major media, and that agency’s courting of what the CIA official Cord Meyer called in the 1950s “the compatible left,” having already had the right in its pocket.

Today most people are, as is said, “wired,” and they get their information from the electronic media that is mostly controlled by giant corporations in cahoots with government propagandists.

Ask yourself: Has the power of the oligarchic, permanent warfare state with its propaganda and spy networks increased or decreased over your lifetime.

The answer is obvious: the average people that Lippman and Bernays trashed are losing and the ruling elites are winning.

This is not just because powerful propagandists are good at controlling so-called “average” people’s thinking, but, perhaps more importantly, because they are also adept – probably more so – at confusing or directing the thinking of those who consider themselves above average, those who still might read a book or two or have the concentration to read multiple articles that offer different perspectives on a topic.

This is what some call the professional and intellectual classes, perhaps 15-20 % of the population, most of whom are not the ruling elites but their employees and sometimes their mouthpieces. It is this segment of the population that considers itself “informed,” but the information they imbibe is often sprinkled with bits of misdirection, both intentional and not, that beclouds their understanding of important public matters but leaves them with the false impression that they are in the know.

Recently I have noticed a group of interconnected examples of how this group of the population that exerts influence incommensurate with their numbers has contributed to the blurring of lines between fact and fiction. Within this group there are opinion makers who are often journalists, writers, and cultural producers of some sort or other, and then the larger number of the intellectual or schooled class who follow their opinions.

This second group then passes on their received opinions to those who look up to them.

There is a notorious propaganda outfit called Bellingcat, started by an unemployed Englishman named Eliot Higgins, that is funded by The Atlantic Council (a think-tank with deep ties to the U.S. government, NATO, war manufacturers, and their allies), and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) (another infamous U.S. front organization heavily involved in so-called color revolution regime change operations all around the world), that has just won the International Emmy Award for best documentary.

The film with the Orwellian title, Bellingcat: Truth in a Post-Truth World, received its Emmy at a recent ceremony in New York City.

Bellingcat is an alleged group of amateur on-line researchers who have spent years shilling for the U.S. instigated war against the Syrian government, blaming the Douma chemical attack and others on the Assad government, and for the anti-Russian propaganda connected to, among other things, the Skripal poisoning case in England, and the downing of flight MH17 plane in Ukraine. It has been lauded by the corporate mainstream media in the west.

Its support for the equally fraudulent White Helmets (also funded by the US and the UK) in Syria has also been praised by the western corporate media while being dissected as propaganda by many excellent independent journalists such as Eva Bartlett, Vanessa Beeley, Catte Black, among others.

It’s had its work skewered by the likes of Seymour Hersh and MIT professor Theodore Postol, and its US government connections pointed out by many others, including Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal at The Gray Zone. And now we have the mainstream media’s wall of silence on the leaks from the Organization for the Prohibition on Chemical Weapons (OPCW) concerning the Douma chemical attack and the doctoring of their report that led to the illegal US bombing of Syria in the spring of 2018.

Bellingcat was at the forefront of providing justification for such bombing, and now the journalists Peter Hitchens, Tareq Harrad (who recently resigned from Newsweek after accusing the publication of suppressing his revelations about the OPCW scandal) and others are fighting an uphill battle to get the truth out.

Yet Bellingcat: Truth in a Post-Truth World won the Emmy, fulfilling Bernays’ point about films being the greatest unconscious carriers of propaganda in the world today.

Who presented the Emmy Award to the filmmakers, but none other than the rebel journalist Chris Hedges.

Why he did so, I don’t know. But that he did so clearly sends a message to those who follow his work and trust him that it’s okay to give a major cultural award to a propaganda outfit. But then, perhaps he doesn’t consider Bellingcat to be that.

Nor, one presumes, does The Intercept, the billionaire Pierre Omidyar owned publication associated with Glen Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill, and also read by many progressive-minded people.

The Intercept that earlier this year disbanded the small team that was tasked with reviewing and releasing more of the massive trove of documents they received from Edward Snowden six years ago, a minute number of which have ever been released or probably ever will be.

As Whitney Webb pointed out, last year The Intercept hosted a workshop for Bellingcat. She wrote:

The Intercept, along with its parent company First Look Media, recently hosted a workshop for pro-war, Google-funded organization Bellingcat in New York.

The workshop, which cost $2,500 per person to attend and lasted five days, aimed to instruct participants in how to perform investigations using “open source” tools — with Bellingcat’s past, controversial investigations for use as case studies…

…Thus, while The Intercept has long publicly promoted itself as an anti-interventionist and progressive media outlet, it is becoming clearer that – largely thanks to its ties to Omidyar – it is increasingly an organization that has more in common with Bellingcat, a group that launders NATO and U.S. propaganda and disguises it as “independent” and “investigative journalism.”

Then we have Jefferson Morley, the editor of The Deep State, former Washington Post journalist, and JFK assassination researcher, who has written a praiseworthy review of the Bellingcat film and who supports Bellingcat.

“In my experience, Bellingcat is credible,” he writes in an Alternet article, “Bellingcat documentary has the pace and plot of a thriller.”

Morley has also just written an article for Counterpunch – “Why the Douma Chemical Attack Wasn’t a ‘Managed Massacre’” – in which he disputes the claim that the April 7, 2018 attack in the Damascus suburb was a false flag operation carried out by Assad’s opponents.

“I do not see any evidence proving that Douma was a false flag incident,” he writes in this article that is written in a style that leaves one guessing as to what exactly he is saying.

It sounds convincing unless one concentrates, and then his double messages emerge.

Yet it is the kind of article that certain “sophisticated” left-wing readers might read and feel is insightful. But then Morley, who has written considerably about the CIA, edits a website that advertises itself as “the thinking person’s portal to the world of secret government,” and recently had an exchange with former CIA Director John Brennan where “Brennan put a friendly finger on my chest,” said in February 2017, less than a month after Trump was sworn in as president, that:

With a docile Republican majority in Congress and a demoralized Democratic Party in opposition, the leaders of the Deep State are the most—perhaps the only—credible check in Washington on what Senator Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) calls Trump’s “wrecking ball presidency.”

Is it any wonder that some people might be a bit confused?

“I know what you’re thinking about,” said Tweedledum; “but it isn’t so, nohow.”

“Contrariwise,” continued Tweedledee, “if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s logic.”

As a final case in point, there is a recent book by Stephen Kinzer, Poisoner in Chief: Sidney Gottlieb And The CIA Search For Mind Control, the story of the chemist known as Dr. Death who ran the CIA’s MK-ULTRA mind control project, using LSD, torture, electric shock therapy, hypnosis, etc.; developed sadistic methods of torture still used in black sites around the world; and invented various ingenious techniques for assassination, many of which were aimed at Fidel Castro.

Gottlieb was responsible for brutal prison and hospital experiments and untold death and suffering inflicted on all sorts of innocent people. His work was depraved in the deepest sense; he worked with Nazis who experimented on Jews despite being Jewish himself.

Kinzer writes in-depth about this man who considered himself a patriot and a spiritual person – a humane torturer and killer. It is an eye-opening book for anyone who does not know about Gottlieb, who gave the CIA the essential tools they use in their “organized crime” activities around the world – in the words of Douglass Valentine, the author of The CIA as Organized Crime and The Phoenix Program.

Kinzer’s book is good history on Gottlieb; however, he doesn’t venture into the present activities of the CIA and Gottlieb’s patriotic followers, who no doubt exist and go about their business in secret.

After recounting in detail the sordid history of Gottlieb’s secret work that is nauseating to read about, Kinzer leaves the reader with these strange words:

Gottlieb was not a sadist, but he might well have been…. Above all he was an instrument of history. Understanding him is a deeply disturbing way of understanding ourselves.

What possibly could this mean? Not a sadist? An instrument of history? Understanding ourselves? These few sentences, dropped out of nowhere, pull the rug out from under what is generally an illuminating history and what seems like a moral indictment. This language is pure mystification.

Kinzer also concludes that because Gottlieb said so, the CIA failed in their efforts to develop methods of mind control and ended MK-ULTRA’s experiments long ago. Why would he believe the word of a man who personified the agency he worked for: a secret liar? He writes,

When Sydney Gottlieb brough MK-ULTRA to its end in the early 1960s, he told his CIA superiors that he had found no reliable way to wipe away memory, make people abandon their consciences, or commit crimes and then forget them.

As for those who might think otherwise, Kinzer suggests they have vivid imaginations and are caught up in conspiracy thinking: “This [convincing others that the CIA had developed methods of mind control when they hadn’t] is Sydney Gottlieb’s most unexpected legacy,” he asserts.

He says this although Richard Helms, the CIA Director, destroyed all MK-Ultra records. He says that Allen Dulles, Gottlieb, and Helms themselves were caught up in a complete fantasy about mind control because they had seen too many movies and read too many books; mind control was impossible, a failure, a myth, he maintains. It is the stuff of popular culture, entertainment.

In an interview with Chris Hedges, interestingly posted by Jefferson Morley at his website, The Deep State, Hedges agrees with Kinzer. Gottlieb, Dulles, et al. were all deluded. Mind control was impossible. You couldn’t create a Manchurian Candidate; by implication, someone like Sirhan Sirhan could not have been programmed to be a fake Manchurian Candidate and to have no memory of what he did, as he claims. He could not have been mind-controlled by the CIA to perform his part as the seeming assassin of Senator Robert Kennedy while the real killer shot RFK from behind. People who think like this should get real.

Furthermore, as is so common in books such as Kinzer’s, he repeats the canard that JFK and RFK knew about and pressured the CIA to assassinate Fidel Castro.

This is demonstrably false, as shown by the Church Committee and the Assassinations Record Review Board, among many others. That Kinzer takes the word of notorious liars like Richard Helms and the top-level CIA operative Samuel Halpern is simple incredible, something that is hard to consider a mistake. Slipped into a truth sandwich, it is devoured and passed on. But it is false. Bullshit meant to deceive.

But this is how these games are played. If you look carefully, you will see them widely. Inform, enlighten, while throwing in doubletalk and untruths.

The small number of people who read such books and articles will come away knowing some history that has no current relevance and being misinformed on other history that does. They will then be in the know, ready to pass their “wisdom” on to those who care to listen. They will not think they are average.

But they will be mind controlled, and the killer cat will roam freely without a bell, ready to devour the unsuspecting mice.

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Anne frank
Anne frank
Aug 19, 2020 7:23 AM

This is a very good story. It was nice to read this and you update the story so that we can get information about it.
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j g
j g
Dec 23, 2019 9:50 PM

You put out a headline about Bellingcat, then your article spends the first half talking about other shit. Learn to get to the point.

Marb
Marb
Dec 17, 2019 1:23 AM
Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob
Dec 17, 2019 10:08 AM
Reply to  Marb

Would be interesting to know how he was duped.

nwwoods
nwwoods
Dec 17, 2019 7:15 PM
Reply to  Marb

I am not seeing Hedges defending himself with respect to this issue, nor even mentioning it on his Twitter timeline.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 19, 2019 1:37 AM
Reply to  nwwoods

If Dr. Chris Hedges would provide at least an email address for opposition arguments or purposes of telling him to go fuck himself I, for one, would believe his faux benevolence & wholesome edifying newspeak more often than not. The same goes for all the other rock star Journalists out there.

Hedges & Truthdig are so yesterday’s rhetoric.

Let’s move on from that cheesy propaganda rag Truthdig & Scheer’s petards.

MOU

nwwoods
nwwoods
Dec 19, 2019 2:56 PM

His twitter account might be more effective for such a purpose, as he’d be challenged publicly. In contrast, virtually nobody is going to see emails except a few Facebook friends or something.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 16, 2019 9:38 PM

I don’t know if this entry is relevant here but, bearing in mind that I take a bit of time to fully absorb matters, I just had to dump this somewhere.

I have found the last few days more depressing than most of what I can remember. Long ago, I gave up on watching the mainstream news – although I still tuned into the BBC text pages occasionally. Because of a report I had heard on BBC bias on the day Rabbi Mirvis attacked Corbyn, I had a look at the BBC 6 O’clock news on iPlayer and couldn’t believe the screamingly obvious manipulation of prejudices. Still I thought that Corbyn might win and part of me was actually dreading that because of the inevitable increase in venom from the media with Corbyn as PM. But when I saw the result at 11 pm on the net on Fri 12th, I was floored. And the haste with which the media wanted to sweep Corbyn away while the Blairite jackals behind him jumped to contest the leadership just depressed me further. So –it all turned out to be just a blip in the neoliberal programme.

One matter that has become so helpfully obvious is that, when there is a threat to a basic programme that is being supported all the way across a supposedly diverse media, this unity of support becomes glaringly clear. The Tories, the Liberals, the Blairite wing of Labour, the various media channels and of course the BBC are all united behind this programme.

I couldn’t care less what the BBC say anymore. I couldn’t care less who oozes their way into the Labour leader post. I certainly have no intention of viewing their pathetic pseudo debates on phoney issues or their equally pseudo debates on serious issue that have already been decided on in advance.

I recall a late interview with Gore Vidal not long before he died. Here was a man who had spent his entire life in politics and the media and knew every last trick. The interviewer interrupted him at one bit with, “But the media say…” at which point Vidal just exploded with an infinitely tired and exasperated, “Oh who CARES what the media say” That basically sums it all up.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 16, 2019 10:07 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The concern trolling from the Guardian is especially difficult to stomach.

Articles that are tedious and self-serving in equal measure, essentially all saying the same thing: has Labour learned its lesson about picking a leader that dared stray from the neoliberal fold?

The new leader will no doubt espouse the right sort identity politics bullshit but must under no circumstances threaten economic hegenomy – bascially it will be our version of an Obama or a Hillary or some other political figure that satisfies the tickbox mentality but will do nothing to reverse the austerity juggernaut.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 16, 2019 11:04 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

I wonder how many of the electorate have worked out the fraud of New Labour (Thatcher’s proudest achievement – by her own reckoning). You can now gauge the integrity of genuine Labour politicians by the way they are received by the media. As I said before, even those who claim to loathe Blair don’t seem to object to him the way they just ‘felt there was something bad about Corbyn’. The media is a vast womb which sends out pleasant vibrations to everyone and when the system’s antibodies feel a threat, the vibrations turn nasty. Everyone feels the strain. And the masterstroke is not so much a dislike of the demonised person as a feeling that you will be shunned by all if you side with that demonised person. You can already feel the intolerable burden of public censure weighing on you to reject the one deemed a threat. Thus it was with Corbyn. He wasn’t spoken of in ‘polite society’.

Nevertheless maybe a substantial number feel he was the last actual Labour man i.e. the last to believe in the old ‘social contract’ model. Now he is gone the whole thing is a total sham. (And ironically, even Corbyn wasn’t really THAT much of a threat – although obviously he was undesirable enough to activate the whole system into annihilation mode.)

So what’s left now? Goodbye NHS. Hello USA ‘healthcare’. Hello Dickensian levels of destitution. Hello vicious targeting of the poor homeless for sadistic fun by rich bullying gangs. Maybe they’ll even have a popular gameshow for this? Although I’m sure that on the other hand there will be plenty of high profile charity bashes to allow the declining middle class to feel they’re a pretty decent bunch. And the planet can easily be saved by buying in to the latest lucrative fashion gimmick.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Dec 17, 2019 4:35 AM
Reply to  George Mc

The ‘felt there was just something wrong about him’ is the hallmark of a successful propaganda campaign. The purpose of propaganda is to generate visceral feelings about a subject or person. Its usually a simple message along the lines of “four legs good, two legs bad” that’s delivered in various ways and may even include elements of truth.

All this is well known; what needs to be figured out is how it works so well despite it being quite obvious what’s going on.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 17, 2019 6:36 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

They couldn’t get Corbyn for his policies (which were bascially decent) so instead made the election about personalities, despite the fact Johnson was a leader who clearly had undergone an integrity by-pass many years ago.

And lets be fair, the whole operation was a text book example by the MSM, especially the Guardian and the BBC in how to conduct a character assassination (including the BEEBs risible investigation into antisemitism: a programme more or less made via the Israeli embassy).

The public were asked to believe and apparently had no problem accepting the idea that Corbyn was both a Trotskyist and Nazi at exactly the same time posing a mortal threat to ‘our way of life’, and to Jews in particular: many who had already packed their bags and were ready flee to the the illegal settlements if Corbyn triumphed (at least according to Jonathan Freedland’s and Nick Cohen’s analysis).

Ironically despite the ludicrous nature of such baseless allegations the British public had no problem accepting the Guardian and the BEEBs narrative (with a few exceptions).
Yet try to say BTL at the Guardian, for example, that propaganda is no different here compared to countries like China, Russia, or Iran and most of them will throw a hissy fit.

Another sign of how effective such propaganda has been: they have been conned with stories that any intelligent child should be able to see through yet become enraged should anyone point this out to them, the gullible bastards.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 16, 2019 10:54 PM
Reply to  George Mc

George just to try and put some alternative perspective and hopefully help you stand up and dust yourself down i give you the …
The RINO LINO extinction.

Remainer-in-name-only Labour-in-name-only MP’s cackling in uncontrolled delight when the exit poll arrived, as they saw that the Corbynites had failed and their own masters had delivered the promised defeat.

And same for libdems who are specialists in betrayal since the 80’s.

These rino-lino’s actions and words in this election should not be forgotten quickly.

In several seats ‘independent’ MP’s stood and took large numbers of Labour votes. Many Labour voters would never have turned tory.
Another Master’s plan that worked.

These neoconmenandwomen of NuLabInc will get their seats on the boards of companies taking billions in profits every year from the NHS as they do from Education and other privatisations.

The Rino-Lino tribe.
Private school>posh Uni> political apprentice > spad > parachute to safe seat > minister>>>riches and dynastic ambition.

These manchurians were selected years ago, ONLY to dismantle the postwar social democratic covenant with the majority of the citizens.
To reverse it back to the prewar status quo – restore the Toffs with their well paid henchmen and the rest of us as proles – society of yore and glory!

The nation has been force-fed that moronic coolaid, through dumbing down media and entertainment – The Downtoning and servitude promoting tv opium.

Brexshit is coming along with plenty of other shit – the Tories now get to OWN it ALL – without the cover of the pendulum Rino-Lino’s this time.
———–
More people should join their Local Labour Parties – and ensure that ONLY local candidates are picked to represent them in the future, that means immediately.

No more LINO’s !
———–

A winter election instead of the summer or autumn one. It could have been had immediately Johnson took over from May to get his mandate WHY didn’t HE?

It was planned to minimise turnout.

A unprecedented full spectrum media and internet campaign planned to gaslight Labour support and minimise their vote (Farage was probably on more media than ANY other person and he wasn’t even running!).

All AIMED at minimising turnout for Labour.
So that the election could be fixed.

The equally unprecedented pollsters gobbledygook aimed to condition the populace with the planned result.

YET the Labour voters did TURNOUT given the terrible cold dark rainy winter day.

Postal vote stuffing was able to steal the election just as it did the referendums.

Why haven’t the number of postal votes been reported.?
What do you think is a reasonable number of postal voters in the country, 2 million? 4 million? 8 million? What percentage of the electorate 10%? 15%? 20%?
———-

The ancient two party controlled opposition sham system has been exposed by the Corbynite democratic revolution in the Labour party – the continued daily attack is about trying to regain that status quo that reveals the British system to be a tool of the toffs.

They haven’t been able to pass the hot potato to the controlled opposition like they did in 97.

Rather then risk it they made sure that the tories won and planned to destroy the Official Opposition in Parliament – but failed because of the Labour voters who didn’t flinch.

The tories now TOTALLY own this mess. As monumental events unfold across our world – THEY get to OWN it ALL!
The good the bad and the downright UGLY.

It won’t be possible to blame Labour this time. The Rino-Lino’s aren’t there to leave any convenient post-it’s to be displayed far and wide.

The British people will finally see how their sensibilities have been alloyed and degraded over the recent decades, to betray what their wartime ancestors sacrificed to build for them.

Labour party members are now free to re-create the original movement that made the postwar social democratic covenant.

I might even become one myself!

The Empire struck back but the ewoks are now more powerful than IT ever imagined.

STAND AND FIGHT.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 17, 2019 7:59 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Thanks DunG always a pleasure to read what you say. There’s so much to digest there and I have little time now so I’ll just give immediate impressions.

It is now blindingly obvious – more than ever before, that the masses have no representative in the political system. Labour is dead. The reasoning you offer about sleazy machinations in timing the vote to minimise Labour voting all makes sense.

Part of my depression comes from the fact I live in South West Scotland – a traditional Tory stronghold, populated by farmers who are thicker than the pigshit they mop up.

I have never felt so strongly the fact that MSM news is just a big movie and not even a well-made one – packed with the cheapest effects and insulting even to four year olds. And yet vast numbers still suck on it like a huge slimy dummy tit. I sometimes wonder how the generations of the post war years would feel if they could see the unbelievable degradation of British life – politically, culturally etc.

Yes this assault on the public services, NHS, all tendencies towards socialism has been in the planning for decades by those squealing little rich pampered brats who act as if their favourite toys have been taken away. And how they always knew which segments of the population to toss the biggest crumbs to in order to keep them ‘sweet’. Yes – you farming troglodytes I’m talking to you. Anyway – have to go now. Shall continue this rant later.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 17, 2019 9:26 AM
Reply to  George Mc

George, what happened in this country is exactly analagous to what happened in WW1/WW2..infact every fucking war ever! And the Brexit referendum!

We didn’t see posters and graffiti – it was done using the most advanced tech and communications on the planet – via Facebook and individual targeting of these adverts DIRECTLY into the eyeballs and minds of all who let it get into their souls.

It sounds ‘agricultural’ and blunt but it was sophisticated – not just Huns (EU) but also demonisation of Corbyn and the crassest of old fashioned RACISM against the likes of Abbot.

It didn’t collapse the Labour vote , far from it. But it allows the vote rigging to be obfuscated.
‘Of course they lost EVERYONE was seeing and spreading this on the net’.
And it is designed to illicit exactly the defeatist feeling that you me and 11 million voters who did not fall for it are going through.

Proffesor Richard Murphy and many other non-partisan folk are addressing this on blogs and comments – come over there for a decent chat about such matters if you need to see that a retaliation is under construction and contribute your tuppence worth.
This space is part of the problem not solution. I come here to fight the power on their own battlefield.
Got plenty more to say on the geo-politics at play but not in this chat.
Keep chatting – all the best.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 19, 2019 8:00 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

I’m a bit confused by your advocacy of Richard Murphy. Granted he doesn’t do much of that Left sabre rattling thing – which is fun but gets tiresome quickly. But I’m not quite sure what he stands for. He favourably quotes Nik Cohen i.e. he of the Eustonite Left i.e. the pro-war Left i.e. the non-Left Left. Well I suppose Murphy would tell me to stop my adolescent game of aggressive “us and them” name calling. But I find that the favourable attitude comes from the declaration that neoliberalisn is dead. The neoliberals themselves no longer believe in it. But “the Left” do? Which “Left” still believes in neoliberalism? Which “Left” accepted neoliberalism in the first place?

I also noticed that Murphy has a bad habit of not explaining himself. He has an article on MMT where he says this (providing a link to the giggle inducing analysis):

“If you want a giggle this analysis of MMT from a hard Marxist perspective is amusing for the politics and economics geek. Written by Adam Booth, it could have been improved by even a little reading of what MMT is about. It makes the most basic of errors. So many in fact, I have no time to point them out.”

After which Murphy of course DOESN’T point anything out.

There is a recent exchange which, truncated, goes like this:

“Murphy: I have called out Lansman
Jason h: Brilliant, I didn’t realise.. in what context??
Murphy: Haven’t you noticed?
Jason h says: Apologies no.. I haven’t noticed, please enlighten!”

I don’t know if I have the patience to listen to further evasions!

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 19, 2019 2:03 PM
Reply to  George Mc

George,
I don’t necessarily agree with everything that RM says – particularly when it involves the Groaniad, as you may have guessed about me.

Also he has actual work that he does and that blog is what he does in his spare moments so i don’t expect him to reply to, or publish every comment he gets – I believe he personally reads them all!

He has certainly criticised Labour and its leadership and advisors as well as praised them over the years – that is contradictory but not wrong and not salient – what is though is the pragmatic nature.

You can see for yourself by searching his site and picking the category that says Labour or MMT or whatever. Also his page on ‘comments’ on his site.

I am inclined to listen to experts and proper investigative journalists at multiple sites.

This one which i read yesterday is another take on the election and a quantitative as well as qualitative analysis
https://consortiumnews.com/2019/12/17/letter-from-britain-why-labour-lost/

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 19, 2019 6:23 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

In one big way that link to the consortium news is heartening i.e. the bit where they don’t feel the anti-Semitism smears had much effect. (They think – probably correctly – that it was all down to Brexit.) As CJ Hopkins latest post shows, this AS smear campaign was incredibly well choregraphed and had vast sums of money and resources thrown at it. Following CJ’s links is one hell of a depressing experience. More depressing still are indications that, although Corbyn is gone, the AS bullshit is being revved up again for future threats to big money knobs. It seems that Bernie Saunders is about to get his chance to wear the little moustache. If it’s true (And please god – let it be true) that vast swathes of the population don’t go for this belligerent excrement then there is still hope.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 20, 2019 12:27 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I haven’r read CJ yet so am replying to your comment blind of that.
The AS smear was only about giving the msm interlocutors a point to pick on which avoided asking about the actual popular policies being offered by Labour.
The really nasty stuff was RACIST abuse of Abbot – ‘Can you imagine HER being in charge of OUR security next week? And ‘jezza is a commie, pacifist, IRA and Muslim terrorist, who is unpatriotic and therefore dissing all your ancestors who fought and died in the wars’

IT HAS BEEN THE DIRTIEST ELECTION EVER IN A ‘DEMOCRACY’.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 17, 2019 1:09 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Gore Vidal always knew how spineless editors of the MSM were throughout his writing life.
Great writers & thinkers like Gore Vidal rise above the pettiness of the editorial boards of the world to distinguish themselves as thinkers apart from the automatons that govern public discourses on the MSM.

Extremely opinionated people like Gore Vidal simply press on from the mundane to achieve thought parallel to all mature contemplatives of which the MSM are not.

MOU

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 16, 2019 4:32 PM

“As Bernays has said, “The American motion picture is the greatest unconscious carrier of propaganda in the world today.” – the ‘entertainment’ industry is guilty of historical revisionism on a scale that would make David irving blush.

‘Cowboy films’ are the perfect exemplar.

Instead of depicting historical fact i.e genocide perpetrated against an indigenous population the film industry would have you believe sophistictated Europeans undertook a quest to bring civilisation to superstitious and morally dubious natives.

There are many revolting elements to these narratives not least the idea tribal leaders would willing side with the oppressor, for example by accepting the sort of crypto-penal conditions characterising reservations, and thus the idea of resistance being corralled under the watchful eye of those who know better.

This indifference to asymmetrical violence plays out across every generation of film maker as wars in Korea, Iraq and Latin America are all viewed through the same lens of US exceptionalism: decent Americans doing their national duty to bring freedom, democracy and higher values to backward, ignorant enemies.

This sort of shit is so all-pervasive that most people seem to have stopped noticing just how detached from reality it is (and always was).

Proof, if proof were needed that people can be made to believe almost anything providing information is supplied by those they have put their trust in.

Andreas Schlüte
Andreas Schlüte
Dec 16, 2019 12:34 PM

MKultra dead? Mind control not possible? Yep, thus goes desinformation! See also:
“Mkultra Alive? An Alarm Call”: https://wipokuli.wordpress.com/2018/01/10/mkultra-alive-an-alarm-call-mkultra-lebt-ein-alarmruf/

BigB
BigB
Dec 16, 2019 12:31 PM

I’m off to update my belief system and regularise my psychological self-defence against CIA infiltration. By reading the Warren Commission, the Iran-Contra committee, the Kerry Committee, and the 9/11 commission reports. Now I know that the American government is a sound epistemological ground on which to base my incorruptible belief system. And its congressional committees offer a sound evidence base to prevent my perception being distorted by propaganda.

The Church Committee? The Assassinations Board? Does that epistemology include the Mueller Report? Or the House Judiciary Impeachment committee?

If anyone is interested – and I swore I wouldn’t do this again – I’ve posted about three archives of information that shows the Kennedy’s ran Operation Mongoose as the “highest priority of their administration”. If you can contort all the evidence – including that RFK ran the operation personally, and JFK sat in on at least one meeting – into ”they didn’t know” …you are welcome to that belief.

But not on the risible basis of the Church Committee. You’ll have to trawl back to find detailed analysis. I can’t be bothered trying to square historical fact with propaganda anymore. I just want to assure you that no Cuban’s died in the making of this myth. And it wasn’t the primary basis for the Cuban Missile Crisis. It wasn’t ever an existential threat to millions. It didn’t happen. Frank Church said so.

Geordie
Geordie
Dec 17, 2019 12:06 PM
Reply to  BigB

I left school at 16, but even I know the plural of Kennedy is Kennedys.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Dec 16, 2019 11:14 AM

Whilst I myself don’t ‘Tweet’, I do follow Twitter to see what is being said. I was interested in the recent exchanges between OffGuardian and Huw Edwards regarding BBC bias…or not.

It struck me that Edwards’ position is rather at odds with that of his erstwhile colleague John Humphrys. In his post-BBC autobiography published this autumn and referred to in a Guardian article, Humphrys …

described what he labelled as the “institutional liberal bias” at the BBC and condemned the “Kremlin”-style corporation for being out of touch. He writes that BBC bosses were devastated by the victory of the Leave campaign, and likened their expression following the referendum to a football fan whose team has just missed a penalty.

[Following BBC journalist Carrie Gracie’s complaint about BBC gender pay differences] Humphrys thought “Well at least I’ll be able to grill her [they were co-presenters on the Today radio programme] about her claim – should make a bloody good interview.” But Humphrys was told that option had been ruled out. He said “I despaired. This wasn’t just poor news management. It made the Kremlin circa 1950 look sophisticated”.

When he retired, Barbara Bleiman, co-director of the English and Media Centre, was [also] relieved that Humphrys was no longer on the Today programme, alleging he had “entirely failed to keep under control his own inappropriately partisan views and now criticises the employer who paid his vast salary”.

Unintentionally, and in so few words, Bleiman succeeds in revealing all that is wrong with the BBC.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/sep/21/john-humphrys-attacks-bbcs-liberal-bias-days-after-retiring-from-radio-4

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 16, 2019 8:28 AM

Excellent article, thank you Louis. I am reminded of a book I read twenty years ago which changed my thinking and caused me to write my own book, outing the TPTB through the global financial system aspect:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/fnahvp-free-book a free PDF is available on request to [email protected]

The book in question is well worth a read: Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins who also has an active website: https://johnperkins.org/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Confessions-Economic-Hit-Man-shocking/dp/0091909104

Frank
Frank
Dec 16, 2019 7:58 AM

Thanks a lot, Louis, for your sterling work. For those among us who’ve long since abstained altogether from the mainstream media narrative, you appear to encapsulate everything about it that is transparently duplicitous, underhanded and untenable to everyone but a geopolitically illiterate drooling idiot.

Your contributions remind us why we avoid the MSM completely. Long may you continue to post here.

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 16, 2019 10:39 AM
Reply to  Frank

Nice one Frank.

Orage
Orage
Dec 16, 2019 10:50 AM
Reply to  Frank

How can a Marxist side with the Atlantic council and Jihadists?

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 16, 2019 2:33 PM
Reply to  Orage

Say what?

Orage
Orage
Dec 16, 2019 7:17 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Referring to Louis, self declared Unrepentant Marxist

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 16, 2019 7:42 PM
Reply to  Orage

Ah. Thread ordering gets confusing after a while, Orage. And yes, Louis’ stance is baffling – but he is by no means alone on the Trotskyist Left. I wrote a recent piece on this.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 16, 2019 9:44 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Aaahh Philip… I just replied to Orage about all these various Trotskyite groups and idiots like Proyect, and was trying to rack my brains thinking of the title of an article Diana Johnstone did on this very subject couple years ago, and told him to type in her name, Syria and Trotskyists and then I scroll down and see your comment…. With attached link to your article! Sigh.
Will read it later, as on way to sell the mag.
Will be much interested in your take as, I’ve just joined the Socialist Equality Party.
I don’t even consider myself a Trotskyite.
I greatly respect all the work the SEP has done in defending Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning, and I fully agree with much of their analysis.
Given the parlous state of the anti capitalist Left worldwide, including its lobotomisation by identity politics, and the very real threat of all out war, rampaging imperialism all across the globe, vast levels of inequality …. I just can’t sit back anymore.
That’s mainly why I joined.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 16, 2019 10:58 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Lets join Labour and stop the Blairites coming back from the morgue of their backbenches.

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 17, 2019 9:25 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah my article singles out SEP as an “honourable exception” to the rule of Trotskyist positions on middle east and Russia both. I’m not a member myself. A former Workers Power escapee, I’m wary of having my style cramped (or too addicted to petit-bourgeois lifestylism) but visit WSWS site frequently. It’s a great resource, refreshingly free of the algorithmic predictability and hackneyed tone of such as Socialist Worker.

I haven’t read DJ though a mate of mine speaks highly of her. I’m aware of her parting of the ways with CounterPunch but not of the substantive details.

Best.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 17, 2019 10:24 AM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Philip – just read your ‘Syria How Did Trotskyism Get It So Wrong’ peice.
I agree with literally everything you wrote, excellent and powerful, and your summation of events in Syria is what I have believed occurred for quite a few years now.
As I said, I agree with the analysis of the WSWS regards Syria and elsewhere, and noted at the end of their very deserved take down of Mr Proyect, they labelled him a ‘liar and provacateur’.
I couldn’t resist a chuckle.
I attended another meeting on Sunday held by the Socialist Equality Party in defence of Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning and to build a campaign to oppose extradition, and I joined up after the meeting.
There’s just too much shite going on in the World.
And things are only going to get worse.
Better to physically be around like minded people who also oppose capitalism and imperialism and rank injustice (as with JA) than be an isolated island sitting at a keyboard.
Just saying – but the other admirable things about the SEP is they focus on class analysis while firmly rejecting Identity Politics, and make a conscious effort to organise in working class areas.
Unlike almost every other socialist group in Aussie.
Have a good day Philip, cheers…

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 17, 2019 7:42 AM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

“…pissing contest;” ?

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 17, 2019 10:26 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Happy to be proved wrong on the point, mate. I did follow with, “I’ve given a one-sided account .. my interlocutors would no doubt give different versions …”

From where I pen, I see a lot of armchair sneerers. If you are not one of them, if the cap don’t fit, then I’ll be delighted.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 17, 2019 1:56 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Do you remember the O-G article header? I keep no record and have never mastered O-G’s search functions.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Dec 18, 2019 2:06 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

It’s a simple word or phrase search. Or alternatively out can look in the category or tag archive that seems appropriate

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 19, 2019 3:45 AM
Reply to  Admin1

Sorry, I should have asked for a link, not a name. I thought that Philip’s similar comments on the subject on this site sounded like something he mentioned in his own blog. Here they were–I think–under an article he did not write and, to date, searching for such comments using the available site tools is not something I have figured out, whereas, in an On-Guardian search, ones own comments (or those of them that haven’t been openly censored or completely disappeared) provides a way that’s less than a herculean task. (But I do see that permitting unregistered pseudonyms as Off-Guardian does (hurrah) maybe just kicks that ball across the road, dumping the herculean task onto the programmer rather than the user.)

Orage
Orage
Dec 17, 2019 10:49 AM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Thanks Philip. Brilliant article BTW.

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 17, 2019 1:17 PM
Reply to  Orage

Thanks man!

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 16, 2019 9:26 PM
Reply to  Orage

Bingo! Exactly what I’ve been thinking for a long time. Whole range of pseudo socialist groups and individuals like Proyect, the Democratic Socialists Of America (Jacobin mag) former International Socialist Organisation, here in Australia, Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance who have got things so warped, they are shills for imperialism, and as you say, literally cheering for jihadists!
Truly bizarre.
Diana Johnstone did a really excellent peice on this a couple years back. Can’t remember title of her article, but try Diana Johnstone Syria Trotskyists.

Deb
Deb
Dec 17, 2019 3:32 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

The article you mention was published on Consortium News. Maybe type Trotskyists into Consortium News search bar and her article will show up in a Google search.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 17, 2019 4:05 AM
Reply to  Deb

Thanks Deb. Coz I use a smartphone, can’t open up a new window to find something while I’m using another window to comment here – if that makes sense.
Diana Johnstone’s article was very powerful, and described people like Louis Proyect and his fellow travellers at orgs like Socialist Alternative in Australia and the Democratic Socialists in America to a perfect tee.
Incidentally, Socialist Alternative are now frothing at the mouth about the Hong Kong ‘democracy protesters’ without mentioning NED, the CIA, the United States embassy, Jimmy Lai, Steve Bannon, or the Ukrainian Neo Nazi’s who have joined these ‘protests’.
The mind boggles how they could get things so wrong.
However, I strongly suspect some of their leadership may be, shall we say, ‘compromised’.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 17, 2019 6:57 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Coz I use a smartphone, can’t open up a new window to find something while I’m using another window to comment here – if that makes sense.

No, it doesn’t. What sort of smartphone (operating system, not brand). Why can’t you?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 17, 2019 7:10 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Hi Rob. It’s a Huawei android. I’ve tried that before several times – making a comment here, then wanted to look up something to add to the comment, opened up a new window to find info I wanted, went to go back to my first page, and it, um, cough, disappeared, so I had to start comment from scratch.
You’re talking to someone with the most basic computer literacy. I mean Basic.
Don’t even know how to do a link to an article I’m referencing (much to Milosevic’s bemusement!)
I had a similar comment with him a while back. Sigh. Thanks.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 17, 2019 2:00 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

…went to go back to my first page, and it, um, cough, disappeared…

How disappeared? The article and all or just your comment?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 17, 2019 8:19 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Everything Rob – Not just my comment, the whole page, so I have to bring up the page, say Offguardian again, then start my comment from scratch. It’s like when I go to find the original page with my comment on it, it’s gone.
Rushing for trains and buses, on way to ‘work’… Have a good evening

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 18, 2019 2:25 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

OK. Huawei’s Android phones may come with one or two browsers. One is called “Browser” and the other, if it’s installed, “Chrome”. I also use a Huawei (about 4 years old, about £40, so it’s probably about the same ‘level’ as yours) and entering part of a post then opening another ‘tab’ (not ‘window’ with a new instance of the browser), selecting and cutting something from it, and going back to the original tab to paste it into a half-completed post there works on both “Browser” and “Chrome”. So, which browser do you use? Either of the two likely to be pre-installed or a different one?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 18, 2019 7:50 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Hi again…. Its Chrome. There’s an instruction manual thing in phone manager or settings or somewhere on my phone. I’ll just go into that and work things out myself, thanks Rob.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 19, 2019 1:24 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah,

Don’t feel bad about being a Luddite. I’m on 56k dialup modem with Windows 7 Professional which is no longer supported by Microsoft as of Jan 15th 2020. You have High Speed iPhone with Chrome for a browser. My browser is Explorer which is slower than turtles and has the efficiency of an atrophied dementia riddled & autopsied blog of dying grey matter floating in a jar of formaldehyde with a 6 volt battery attached by probes.

I’d take high speed over 56k dialup modem any day of the week & twice on Sundays.

MOU

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 19, 2019 2:03 AM

Thanks MOU… I’m 57, no computers or laptops when I went to school (obviously) and usually go to an Internet cafe, where everything is already set up, tho that’s not feasible when I’m home or out working and making comments here.
So, basically, never learnt to be computer literate.
NEWSFLASH*** Trump has been Impeached. What now? Does Christian Fascist and Rapturist Mike Pence became President?

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 19, 2019 3:16 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Happy to share Trump’s impeachment with announcement of it coming from Oz first. Down under got the headline before moi.

Oh happy day!

Cheers!

MOU

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 19, 2019 3:39 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

So, basically, never learnt to be computer literate.

At the time that Nicholas Negroponte was setting up the “One Laptop per Child Association” to bring digital literacy to a grateful world, David Suzuki was fronting the leading popular science program on Canadian TV. His response to Negroponte? The world and its children would be far better off with a plant pot or an ant farm per child to bring environmental sensitivity to an even more grateful world.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 19, 2019 3:16 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Now we’ve off-topiced this far, might as well complete it.

On the top row of the Chrome browser, you’ll see a either box or an icon that looks like a stack of books with a number either inside or beside it (1 if you’ve just started browser up and have gone to only one site). Touch it to go to a list of the tabs you have open.

Beside that list, usually at the top, you’ll see a + sign. Touch it to open a new tab and a blank start page will open. Use it to go to the second site. You’ll see that the number has changed to 2.

When you’ve found what you want on the second site, touch the tabs icon again. In the list, touch the first item and you’ll find you’re back on the first site again, with anything you might have typed in there still intact.

You can switch between sites, cut and paste from one to the other, etc., using the tabs list in the same way.

Want to go to a third site? Open the tabs list and touch the + button. Another blank start page will appear. Type in its address. The number will now read 3…

To close a tab, go to the tabs list and touch the × beside the one you’re finished with.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 19, 2019 10:33 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

When I went to school in the late 60s and 70s, no such thing as Internet or laptops or smartphones or even video players!
Just never learnt. Been going to Internet cafes for years where everything is already set up for you. Now, no need to even go to Cafes when everything is on your phone.
Thanks for this advice Rob, appreciate.
Have a good weekend😁

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 19, 2019 8:26 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Don’t even know how to do a link to an article I’m referencing

Just type or cut-and-paste the address (‘URL’, i.e. http://example.com/page) of the site/page you want to reference into the text you are typing. Leave at least one space or newline on each end.

In O-G’s editor you can also make some of the text itself into a link. Select the text concerned and touch the link button at the top of the text box. Type or cut-and-paste the URL into the box that pops up. No need to worry about spaces.

Deb
Deb
Dec 18, 2019 12:27 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I go to WWSW to read occasionally, mainly their History section and the Archives, always look at the comments section of their articles too. I noticed they are copping a lot of criticism with their HK articles and so they should, support of “democracy protestors”, yeah sure they are, tools a better word for them. Like you I have my doubts about them, mainly because they follow US Foreign Policy in this weird way if you get what I’m saying. They have never corrected the Tiannamen Square “massacre”, if they are a news source they should. I have a FB friend who is a SEP follower of Trotsky and WWSW, and I put it to him about it needed to be corrected, and he said I was wrong, thousands massacred in Tiannamen Square. So I asked for evidence and he said he was researching it and would get back. Still tapping foot waiting, it’s been months. However, a recent post of mine on FB he made a comment and thanked me for sharing, with no acknowledgement of what was revealed in the article. The article was about the ABC 4Corners Program, scary music and all, on China spies. Nestled in that article was a retired Australian diplomat stating the very point I made. One other thing, it was on WWSW that I first learned how the left and student groups were infiltrated, one branch, I think the Communist Party, every member was an agent. LOL. Cheers

Deb
Deb
Dec 16, 2019 1:16 AM

Dr Timothy Leary, “turn on tune in drop out” fame, claimed in an interview that 80% of the time the CIA was telling him what to do. IMO the CIA used MK-Ultra techniques and propaganda on their own people.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 16, 2019 3:00 AM
Reply to  Deb

Leary was a professor of Experimental Psychology. No professor on the face of planet Earth would state that the CIA ‘was telling them what to do’. If any professor stated something along those lines they would immediately be summarily fired outright from any academic institution in the Western world.

MOU

Deb
Deb
Dec 17, 2019 3:36 AM

Well, he did say that on an interview, and long after he had held that position, and been in gaol. I don’t think he belonged to any academic institution at the time of the interview. If you want I will look for the article and link it here, if you still insist I am making this up or it’s fake news.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 17, 2019 3:52 AM
Reply to  Deb

Please link the article.

MOU

Deb
Deb
Dec 18, 2019 8:08 AM

Google MKUltra, read The Politics of Heroin, Google Iran Contra, it’s well known CIA involved in drugs and disguised it.

Read “Acid Dreams: The Complete Social History of LSD: The CIA, the Sixties, and Beyond.”

Even people like Ken Kesey and William Burroughs have questioned whether Leary was a tool of CIA to destroy the new left.

I can’t seem to find where I got this quote from an article but I’ll post it anyway, because it’s well known.

“According to Angleton’s deputy, Scott Miler, in early October 1970, CIA is busy trying to answer the question: “What was Eldridge Cleaver doing in Algeria?” Curiously, Leary now flies to Algiers and joins up with Black Panther Party leader Eldridge Cleaver. Leary’s travels, and the operation to spring him from jail, have been financed by Stark and the Brotherhood. By October 21, 1970, a CIA memo reports prized CHAOS source is now overseas.
From November 1970 -May 1971, Cleaver grows suspicious of Leary, searches Leary’s apartment “for documents proving that Leary and his wife were CIA operatives, and imprisons him in the Panthers’ Algerian compound as “white slaves.””

Now the links below.
The 1st article will background a bit, and then read the 2nd link, and note the author is mentioned in the 1st article, he knew Timothy Leary, and had a newspaper called East Village Voice, Leary said it in an interview with him. There’s other connections, Leary also knew Cord Meyer and his ex wife Mary. The Ronald Stark mentioned in the article, was found by an Italian court to be a CIA asset, extradited back to the US on conspiracy charges, which were dropped. He was running the Red Brigades from inside Italian Prison.

https://belhistory.weebly.com/acid-daze.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20020816114149/http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/tlcia.html

Leary reminds me a bit of the Dalai Lama how people dote on what he says, all smiles, talks shiz.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 17, 2019 7:00 AM
Reply to  Deb

MOU is hardly master of his own keyboard. Best left as ‘practice for the reader.’

mikael
mikael
Dec 16, 2019 12:09 AM

Ok, this was an god flashback to whats defined as propaganda.
BUT.
Then comes the cowboys riding, and shoots down the entire debate, with what, truths, holohoax, sorry, I dont belive an single word of it, camps yes, but massgraves, nothing( 3.2 million khazar jews, changed their names in Poland, from 48 to 60s, and the holohoax propaganda was created late in the 60s and thru out the 70s to whats known to day, this millions of jews never was gassed or killed, they simply changed their names and I have much more than just this, but I know some Polaks knows this to, like the presen Pope whom is orignaly an Jew and go to sites like UNZ, and read about a lot of this peopeganda ripped to shreads, and thats a lot of it to) , not an single mass grave and yet if I write this you start to choke the coffy, and then why, because of propaganda, of course.
I have maybe one gift, I have really problems with remebering names, and can read sphicticated languages but they just make narratives blury, and what I do have is an good memory, photographic memory, etc, and I focus more on patherns, that on whom said what and to witch extent, since I have read much, I have cutt some of it down to some few red lines, and one of them is Palestina, and then the Khazars, and since then I have learned a lott, also because I belong to an people whom is pushed completely out of history and have our story taken away and given to others, (dempgraphic lies, aka the fake jews, thats why I could ripp their storys to shreads and I wrote about Khazars an decade before others picked it up and now they even admitt it and yet they whine about anti-semetism) and this few “tricks” have I used as an tenplate for revealing much of whats going on this days, to unravel propaganda and lies, like the Syrian Gass attack, and the war on Libya.
I know we where few in the begining of the war on Libya, and the gass attack, when I then pointed out the stupidity of their propaganda more people got it, but stil it lingered for an while, like Libya.

The second thing is, the MSM, and the insane level of historical distortions, this runs deep, really deep, and all thoe the CIA ended their mind control programs they continued in Norway, Gaustad hostpital is one horrible ex. and Norway used the minoritys as their guinea piggs all the way up to the 80s, and then we have the eugenic programs, witch of course nobody talks about to day, but screams something about Nazi Germany, again with links I find questinable to be frank, since I know most of what we claim is history is de facto lies, twisted to be an prodjection of reality witch dont reflect what actually happened.
I have been acused for a lot of things, but my main goal have been, like I warned the Hurra patriots in Russia, it was fun as long it was punshing the west, but when I turned east they started to whine, just like the western people whom have learned everything they know thu the MSM and school and in this I place science to history.
The scary part, is how easy it was to fool millions when they started the Gass attack narrative, when the truth was so easy to show, to debunk the lies, and in Libya to.
I dicovered that and a lot of other things to, like the extent the west created fake sites, etc to manufacture more lies and fake storys, like mass extcutions to mass rape and some viagra on it to, by creating in real time several so called native news sites, like using the Berbers, when most of this sites where 100% fake.

To be honest, the problem isnt as much propaganda, the truth is people are going dumber and dumber, cares less and less about our world, and have left the politicians and the MSM to do the thinking, and just swallows whatever they say or shows us as facts, and in that sense they have mastered the agenda of propaganda, and even when I know virtually everything is lies, the problem is how then to convince people about what is lies or not, in an world we some few sites and TV channels have covered the entire field of vision, since humans are creatures of perseption.
I am afraid just because what some of us writes are so damaging, so controversial, so “far out” from whats become the norm, like printing mooney out of thin air, etc, to quantum physics witch to day is just an scam, like AGW, hehe, etc, again, regarding AGW, witch I have encountered before must others have, the first thing I looked for was something that flashed before me years before, namely the Greenland ice core drilling, that was the first thing I looked for, and from then on I knew it was an scam, and stil is.
And my fear is, since we/I am controversial, we will be chopped off, and banned, the exuse isof course, the f…. word but I know no child is reading this anyway, and then the anti-semetism, another mental prodjection and a loaded word, witch is pimped so hard it gives instant associations and if you dont follow its something wrong with us/me.
I write this no as much for you and other comenting in here, some of you know a lot and some are as far I am conserned really good, but for those than is uncertain, just to show you that you are not alone, I have even held back on some issues, not because of fear, but because of watching what comes, the west is certain rotten to its core, but others is not so known, or is stil, not willing to expose their issues and history where as they all have something to hide, from the past to the present, like Russia, witch i could write something so far out that most of you wouldnt have heard anything about, or simply dont belive, and that goes to Russians to and I talk history, even further back than the revolution, long before, and to witch extent the lies and propaganda is reaching, just to give you an hint.
Even Africa, South america, etc.

But to sum it up, usually I have an rule of thumbs, if you find One inconsistency, then you should take note, and look for more, not as much on what, but fond inconsistencys, in videos to storys, and then unravel the case from there and back track to the begining.
I dont have any problems with narratives as conspiracy nutts, I simply dont care, if you cant handle it, its your problem not mine, but I have also been wrong, and is wise enough to acknowledge that and trun, because of it, that is nothing to be shamed bye, never forget that, I grew up in the same world as everybody else, just read the right books and learned the tricks of the trade but mostly thru having the lines drawn, from then on its easy to see whom is fake or not, like the fight for the Palestinians.
Have an nice day.
Cheers.

peace

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 16, 2019 1:08 AM
Reply to  mikael

Well! ..? … just asking.

Maybe translation software? Or just pissed? Does not matter. Nice rant.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Dec 16, 2019 9:58 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Right. Quantum physics today is just a scam.

Of course it is to those who a) never heard of, or b) never understood the ‘Double Slit Experiment’.

It has become apparent most recently, that it is statements like that (and similar) give away that someone knows absolutely nothing – but the whisperings of propaganda. WikiPedia becomes a trustworthy source and by deducting one propaganda from another, one becomes as brilliant as above. Discrediting those, who truly continue the process of thinking.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 16, 2019 10:50 AM
Reply to  nottheonly1

?

Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob
Dec 16, 2019 10:01 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Two rule of thumbs is better than one right?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 16, 2019 10:51 AM
Reply to  Bootlyboob

? ?

Do both you and NTO1 intend these comments to moi?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 18, 2019 3:54 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Do both you and NTO1 intend these comments to moi?

No they do not mean it as a reply to you except, possibly, as a response to your apparent possible “approval” of some of the content of the original post that could be implied from your “Nice rant.”

NTO1 is taking exception to the original poster’s bullshit (not the first instance on this site) and Bb seems to be commenting, quite wittily, on the average matrix bottom dwellers’ primary interface to the real world.

Louis Proyect
Louis Proyect
Dec 15, 2019 4:09 PM

It’s had its work skewered by the likes of Seymour Hersh and MIT professor Theodore Postol, and its US government connections pointed out by many others, including Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal at The Gray Zone.

That’s some group of authorities. LRB eventually stopped publishing Hersh even though it was hitherto a treasure-trove of pro-Assad propaganda. Postol writes a piece absolving Assad for the peer-reviewed journal at Princeton upon whose board he sits and they find it unworthy of publication. Finally, as for Norton and Blumenthal, who reversed themselves 180 degrees on Assad after Blumenthal attended a gala dinner for RT, they have just written an article that takes up the cause of a Syrian fascist as I pointed out before.

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In an astonishing display of how low Max Blumenthal and Ben Norton have sunk, a recent article (https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/08/us-uk-military-intelligence-apparatus-destroy-jeremy-corbyn/) about “Russiagate” type smears against Corbyn includes this paragraph:

“His victims included Mariam Susli, a well-known Syrian-Australian social media personality, the famed Ukrainian concert pianist Valentina Lisitsa, and a British pensioner named Ian Shilling.”

Marian Susli, better known as the Syrian Girl, has written for Infowars, made appearances on David Duke’s podcasts as well as having been interviewed by white supremacist Richard Spencer.

She has also been interviewed by the Holocaust denier Ryan Dawson, whose views she apparently shares, having told The Daily Beast in 2017: “Jews were ethnically cleansed from Germany… [On] specifics and numbers and events…I’m going to leave that to the historians. And I think you’d find that there’s historians on both sides.”

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 15, 2019 5:29 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Hahaha, I wondered when you’d show up, was going to mention it but I couldn’t remember you name. This one’s all about you “comrade”.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 15, 2019 5:54 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Interesting post there Louis. The bit about Syrian Girl appears to be copied from Wiki who give us nothing on Ryan Dawson other than to say he’s a “Holocaust Denier”. Googling around, I find myself confronted by the usual vacuity of stuff like this:

“Ryan Dawson, RT’s “Human Rights Activist,” A Holocaust Denier Who’s Friends With Hate Criminals”

Those “Hate Criminals” again. What are they? Criminals who have been seduced by some mysterious entity called “Hate”?

From Dawson’s own Twitter account I see this:

“Holocaust exaggerations are the main cause of Holocaust denial. There was a Holocaust. It was bad enough on its own. Starvation, shootings, disease, beatings and being worked to death. You dont need to add extraordinary bullshit to it like soap lampshads gas and ovens”

He’s not denying a Holocaust although he is certainly rejecting some of the claims. And as for that Syrian Girl quote you give:

“Jews were ethnically cleansed from Germany… [On] specifics and numbers and events…I’m going to leave that to the historians. And I think you’d find that there’s historians on both sides.”

It’s hardly rejecting the mainstream accounts. Or are you nervous about that “both sides”?

Your entire approach seems to be based on the same blasé assumption that McCarthyites had when they felt the very word “communism” would send everyone shrieking for the hills.

Louis Proyect
Louis Proyect
Dec 15, 2019 6:21 PM
Reply to  George Mc

People can judge Ryan Dawson from this softball interview he did with Eric Hunt.

https://altcensored.com/watch?v=qJn7lO1DcwM

I should add that Hunt disavows his past videos, like “The Jewish Gas Chamber Hoax”. I can’t say if Dawson has as well.

Louis Proyect
Louis Proyect
Dec 15, 2019 6:27 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

I should add that Dawson, like Marian Susli, thinks it is okay to be interviewed by white supremacist David Duke.

https://davidduke.com/monday191111-2-2/

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 15, 2019 8:03 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Yes I have seen this ‘contamination’ manoeuvre before i.e. to say that if X has material published on a white supremacist site then every argument X makes must be ditched. Back in the months following 9/11, when I queried Richard Seymour about why he didn’t suspect the official account, he responded with a reference to one ‘truther’ who, Seymour was careful to point out, was a ‘Holocaust Denier’. Implication: doubting the official account of 9/11 makes you a ‘Holocaust Denier’. Well it doesn’t.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 15, 2019 7:57 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Interesting link with the Hunt video there. I have seen this ‘revisionist’ argument before. The basic point is made about 6 minutes in i.e. not querying that people died, not querying that they died in vast numbers – but querying that there was an extermination programme involving gas chambers. Now I know this is an incendiary matter. But I’d like to know one thing. Is it actually illegal to make this last named query?

If I look here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

there is the comment (emphasis added in capitals):

“The EU extradition policy regarding Holocaust denial was tested in the UK during the 2008 failed extradition case brought against the suspected Holocaust denier Frederick Toben by the German government. As THERE IS NO SPECIFIC CRIME OF HOLOCAUST DENIAL IN THE UK, the German government had applied for Toben’s extradition for racial and xenophobic crimes. Toben’s extradition was refused by the Westminster Magistrates’ Court, and the German government withdrew its appeal to the High Court.”

How does the US stand on this?

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Dec 16, 2019 10:05 AM
Reply to  George Mc

…Toben’s extradition was refused by the Westminster Magistrates’ Court…

Too bad Julian Assange is not a holocaust denier.

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 15, 2019 6:18 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

So. LRB and Princeton editors find those who’d defend Assad from imperialist propaganda too hot to handle. Well well well, how surprising. LRB is hardly alone on the liberal left in finding Hersh – who broke the My Lai story – now too hot to handle. Like the veteran John Pilger, Hersh has difficulty getting published anywhere. And you – a marxist?!? – see such de facto blacklisting as evidence not of the very points Ed Curtin is so ably making, but as pointing to defects in Seymour Hersh’s character, his sanity even. Shame on you, sir.

Assad’s a Syrian fascist? There was a time when marxists, unrepentant ones at any rate, took great care with the f-word. It was not to be lightly tossed around like a schoolyard epithet. Shame again.

You ready yet to apologise for your Vanessa Beeley misogyny?

Louis Proyect
Louis Proyect
Dec 15, 2019 6:38 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

So. LRB and Princeton editors find those who’d defend Assad from imperialist propaganda too hot to handle.

You make it sound like being pro-Assad is like being such a fearless exercise. In fact, Charles Glass writes for the NY Review of Books, Harpers and other prestigious magazines making the same points that Edward Curtin made above. Meanwhile, the Nation Magazine publishes James Carden and Stephen F. Cohen who also agree with Curtin. With Postol, Hersh and the Grayzone boys, it is a matter of not being elegant enough when it comes to defending hospitals in Idlib being bombed. You need to be more nuanced when it comes to legitimizing war crimes.

Louis Proyect
Louis Proyect
Dec 15, 2019 6:55 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

I should add that Tucker Carlson, the white supremacist Fox News host, has also put down the red carpet for Blumenthal and others who agree with Curtin. This is not exactly the kind of spiel that would risk losing your career over.

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 15, 2019 7:36 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

You lose me with the syntax and hence the meaning of your second sentence but I get the drift, I think. Curtin and Blumenthal are damned by being endorsed by Carlson.

And vegetarians by the fact Hitler was one.

Sonia Heaney
Sonia Heaney
Dec 15, 2019 8:00 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

All vegetarians are racists! That’s logic. 😉

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 15, 2019 7:33 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

I’ve been unable to decide in your case whether I’m dealing with one who is obtuse or dishonest. I’m coming to the reluctant conclusion it’s the latter.

Of course it is permissible to write as Ed does, and be published. But that’s not what we’re speaking of here – as you well know. We’re speaking of blacklisting voices questioning the specifics of an empire friendly narrative on Syria.

It follows that your final two sentences are demonstrably false not only in ignoring mounting evidence against, and lack of evidence for, war crimes in Syria. (I’m sure these are being committed because that’s the nature of war. But at issue is whether Damascus, in a life and death struggle against imperial aggression, is doing so egregiously. For instance, was Russian bombing of Aleppo somehow worse than US bombing of Mosul, where my daughter was based at the time and can vouch for its ferocity? On what ground do you say so?) False also in a disingenuous posturing that would have us believe Hersh et al’s inability to gain a mainstream hearing is down to their being insufficiently “nuanced” and “elegant”.

Could you direct me to the more nuanced and elegant “legitimizers of war crimes” who are being published in the mainstream?

And yes, Louis. I do make it sound as if being pro-Assad is tough for those operating in the mainstream. Why would I think that, d’you suppose? Duh!

Louis Proyect
Louis Proyect
Dec 15, 2019 8:08 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Could you direct me to the more nuanced and elegant “legitimizers of war crimes” who are being published in the mainstream?

Sure. David Bromwich, Hugh Roberts, Patrick L. Smith, Robert F. Worth, and Andrew Cockburn. They’ve all written pro-Assad articles for the LRB, the NYRB, the NY Times, and other top-drawer periodicals but less obviously propagandistic than the crap that Blumenthal writes. I guess Blumenthal doesn’t care about being considered toxic in these magazines since he can always count on the rubles pouring in.

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 16, 2019 2:32 AM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Louis this is an example of precisely why I fear I may have to join so many others in giving up on you as a serious debating adversary. As George Mc points out elsewhere on this thread, links you provide too often turn out not to back up the point you appear to be making. I too have experienced this in past exchanges. It smacks of dishonesty, of smokescreening in the hope people won’t check your ‘sources’. I guess that’s a self fulfilling hope because, guess what, I too am on the verge of not bothering.

In this case, however, you provide no links at all. Just a slew of names. To be clear, albeit repetitively so, what I ask of you is evidence of mainstream journalists and commentators who (a) challenge the specifics of imperialist allegations in respect of Douma last year and (b) do so from an anti-imperialist perspective. I also ask that you address the media silence on the ongoing challenge to the Douma narrative. Rather than rebut it, they have chosen to ignore that challenge.

This is where arms length helpers like Bellincat and White Helmets come in. They can do the rottweiler stuff and, should their credibility disintegrate, be cut loose with minimal damage to the empire’s core.

Er, Vanessa Beeley apology? Any time this century?

RealPeter
RealPeter
Dec 16, 2019 5:14 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Just after the Douma incident, I distinctly remember reading a piece by Robert Fisk, who went to the area in the days following the alleged gas attack. He spoke to a number of local residents, none of whom had suffered from, witnessed or heard of any such attack. His conclusion was that no gas attack had occurred. Fisk is no friend of the Assads.

Unfortunately, I can’t remember where the article was published. Perhaps some Off-G reader can help with a link.

Peter Fletcher
Peter Fletcher
Dec 17, 2019 9:38 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Milosevic, thanks for the link to Fisk’s article, showing what appears to have been, not to put too fine a point on it, a simple but toxic (pun intended) propaganda stunt – not toxic for the children filmed being hosed down in misleading videos, but for the ignorant Western publics being lied to yet again. Highly recommended reading – a pity it’s a bit lost in the present thread.

Louis Proyect
Louis Proyect
Dec 15, 2019 8:22 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

For instance, was Russian bombing of Aleppo somehow worse than US bombing of Mosul, where my daughter was based at the time and can vouch for its ferocity?

Of course not. They were both war crimes, as far as I am concerned. In fact, I consider aerial bombardment ipso facto criminal.

https://louisproyect.org/2015/11/17/a-history-of-bombing/

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Dec 15, 2019 8:51 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Please try to use the blockquote option when quoting text, it makes it much easier for readers to follow the conversation. You can find it in the editor tab just above the text area

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Dec 16, 2019 2:40 AM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Ah. On this at least we might find ground for progress. ALL aerial bombardment is to be condemned. Excellent. What I need now are links to your doubtless many articles and posts condemning what happened at Mosul. What I also need are either your plan for a Syrian “third way” that posits Ba’athism’s demise without that country falling into the US orbit … or your plan for how Damascus could have resisted the terror unleashed on it, and reclaimed its sovereign territory from Isis and the like, without resort to aerial bombing.

The USA, as we’ve agreed, couldn’t pull that off in Iraq, but I’m sure you have the blueprint for success in Syria …

Orage
Orage
Dec 15, 2019 7:09 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Louis
There are people within the OPCW who have objected to the final report and who think that that report did not represent the scientific findings:
https://wikileaks.org/opcw-douma/document/
Any comments?

Orage
Orage
Dec 15, 2019 8:53 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

I thought you should be more rigourous than that in trying to produce a counterargument. This is a quote from Mr Whitaker of Al Baab

Note: I shall be studying WikiLeaks’ batch of documents in more detail over the next few days and hope to have a more detailed report later.

Mr Brian Whitaker is the man behind Al-Bab. a one man band and his opinion may or may not be reliable. Any other sources?

Per/Norway
Per/Norway
Dec 15, 2019 9:22 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

I only feel pity for people like you bc there is only 2 alternatives to who/what you are.
1. NPC/useful idiot
2. A traitor paid to post propaganda online
So no matter which is true you are a traitor and a 5th column that help to destroy innocent childrens lives around the world and in your own country. Watch Bezmenov`s intervju after he betrayed Sovjet, pay extra attention when he starts talking about “useful idiots” and their fate😏

Per.

Sonia Heaney
Sonia Heaney
Dec 15, 2019 7:57 PM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Syrian Girl’s name I believe is ‘Maram’ – an ethnic Arab name and not your colonially patronising ‘Marian’!!

Tells us all we need to know about you.

Frank
Frank
Dec 16, 2019 7:59 AM
Reply to  Louis Proyect

Thanks a lot, Louis, for your sterling work. For those among us who’ve long since abstained altogether from the mainstream media narrative, you appear to encapsulate everything about it that is transparently duplicitous, underhanded and untenable to everyone but a geopolitically illiterate drooling idiot.

Your contributions remind us why we avoid the MSM completely. Long may you continue to post here.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 15, 2019 3:58 PM

The CIA & Five Eyes still practice neurological control today & they also practice Satanism. Benevolence was never an inherent attribute of the CIA or any of the intel agencies. Collectively, they are all criminally connected to organized crime & Murder Inc., and have always been criminally ungrounded.

Without Bernays’ promotion of Professor Emeritus Sigmund Freud the world would never have heard of him. Bernays was not all skullduggery historically. The CIA was built upon Systems Theory & Western religion undergirded by Capitalism with a culturally deviant homosexual at helm of the FBI.

Secrecy about sexual orientation was paramount for all homosexuals during that era and beyond. The homosexuals naturally gravitated towards the areas of LE & government that engaged in that form of societal control. Homosexuals also gravitated towards organized religion over time knowing that their lives were cloistered similarly to that of gay clergy in the Roman Catholic Church.

Historically, the homosexual clergy in organized religion have always been institutional misogynists and that’s why they made female homosexuals dress like penguins.

Today, female homosexuals don’t flock to organized religion in order to find likeminded human beings.

Back when Bernays was promoting Freud for American consumption he was well aware of the secrets that bread hysteria throughout society given that he was promoting Freud post-Studies in Hysteria 1896.

You would not know who Freud was without his nephew Bernays making sure that happened.

MOU

BigB
BigB
Dec 16, 2019 11:53 AM

Is that strictly true, MOU? Freud – and his contemporaries Jung, Fromm, and Adler – exerted huge influence on the Continental School …most notably on Lacan. Even those who rejected him – such as Deleuze and Guattari – where nonetheless hugely influenced by him …eg ‘anti-Oedipus’ or ‘anoedipal’. Are you saying that was down solely to Bernays?

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 16, 2019 4:00 PM
Reply to  BigB

Yes it’s true given what biographers have stated about the historiography. Any historian worth their salt knows the integral part Bernays played to get Freud’s writing to American markets & readers.

Adler was booted from the Wednesday Society by Freud himself. Jung was supposed to take over from Freud but diverged instead and formed his own models.

Freud demanded that colleagues follow his theories as dogmatic adherents. Jung & Adler were far too individualist & independent to require mentorship as Freud envisioned it.

Fromm was heavily influenced by Freud’s work to the point where Freud’s historiography was key to his own theorizing and undergirded it.

MOU

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 15, 2019 3:05 PM

Anyone know how they proceed with deradicalisation? ‘They’ claim it works. My guess is a mixture of blackmail (threatening to inform their fellow travelers they’ve been turned, whether it’s true or not. Evidence held proving they are complicit with authorities), threats to harm their families, rewards and showing them how insignificant they and their loved ones truly are…..I don’t imagine they actually attempt to alter their beliefs.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 15, 2019 11:40 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Look at how the USA deradicalized Kanye West post White House visits to Trump wearing a red MAGA baseball cap for some attention.

Kanye West is now doing the televangelist circuit and speaking out against ‘the devil of Hollywood’.

King Trump demoted him.

That’s how they proceed with deradicalization.

MOU

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 16, 2019 8:10 AM

I meant the official Muslim deradicalisation in place in Britain. Msm often speaks of it but I haven’t a clue as to what it entails.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 15, 2019 2:23 PM

Edward Curtin, thankyou for the article and info though I am confused by the lack of two items in the piece which i believe would sit well in the piece.

1.No mention of the ‘sheeple’ man?

Alex Carey : ‘It is arguable that the success of business propaganda in persuading us, for so long, that we are free from propaganda is one of the most significant propaganda achievements of the twentieth century.’
https://off-guardian.org/2019/08/16/inside-the-submissive-void/

2. ‘Stockholm Syndrome’

‘The victim sees the abuser as the “good guy” and those trying to win his/her release as the “bad guys”, as this is the way the abuser sees things.’

Part of my tracking of excuses to cover the blatant FIXING of the election.

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Dec 15, 2019 2:02 PM

All children learn to ‘see’ and develop their own understanding of their world from their relationship with parenting, their peers and their society. So there is a neccessary adaptation within an inherited, acquired or imposed ‘curriculum’ of education that initiates and conditions or trains us to social functions – within which are personal or individual responsibilities.

Civilising might be a better term for awkened responsibity for life – and socialisation might be better to differentiate the identification with the ‘social curtain’ of masking persona – that embodies a ruleset or narrative set of socially held definitions that are outwardly presented but also inwardly and secretly concealed.

Without awakened relational responsibility – is a masking survivalism – of life or self identified in the mask or ego of a set of beliefs and self-definitions running the cover story, for the hidden agenda.

The mask is the split of mind as to what is accepted and rejected. The child’s experience of rejection or denial can be simply exposure to parents distress at a stage of development that has yet to self-differentiate. Taking on responsibility for what is not ours is a major part of being set in struggle to live out someone else’s conflict issues. A deep sense of guilt for not being ‘enough’ at a formative moment in infancy – can be manipulated and reinforced by social mores and behaviours.
This gives rise to trying to be someone else to either win acceptance or defy and deny rejection.
Making our own identity is then part and parcel of setting others in identifications.
They are one thing – as an entanglement of mutually reinforcing purpose, operating self-conflicting outcomes as if victory in such a frame is both desirable and possible.

Power struggles play out such a script.

Education into life, rather than into a cover story working manipulative intent – is lost to power struggle or attempts to become real or valid at another’s expense. And yet only the living can open and share in it. That is the impulse to know, to learn and to share in the life that results – as a democratic sense of a world FOR such a living – has to be given right of way over the impulse to mask in manipulative attempt of personal security that reinforce identity in the mask of separation conflicts seeking narrative identity in escaping or overcoming its conflict ‘externally’.

Under such an identification, life IS war – whether outwardly engaging open attack or by masked agenda of building ‘peace’.
Hence the antidote to succumbing is the recognition and release of the ‘thinking’ that sets the identity in triggered reaction.

Recognition behind the masking that doesn’t release it – persists a clique or factioning of mutual shared interest – such as ‘loving’ those who share a secret understanding and growing a bubble ‘reality of judgements, grievances and fantasy self-vindications that effect conflict under the fantasy one is resolving it.

Invested identity in our ‘worldview’ can then assert the problem as the attempt to deal with it, such that the problen itself becomes too big to fail – because we equate it with the source of life and self as possession and control.

Dissociation thus results in the progressive sacrifice of all that you are for what and who you are not – but have invested in to the point of forgetting. Of being unable to recognise life in self, other and world because the life that you are is given no voice, no expression of movement, no with-ness, or worth-ship.

The final solution then is death or denial of life to te fantasy of its substitution. Enacted over and over and yet over again because there is no substitute for life that lives – no matter how intensely we hold it to our hearts in attampt to make it real or suffer and prove it real. And no matter how artfully we shapeshift or redefine our world to reset the scene.

Is it the unknown that we fear or is life what we project upon it from conflict of our past that overwhelmed a sense of inadequacy or powerlessness that our mind is set to never relive again?

And so in trying not to, do we not then always keep in mind – behind the curtain of its escape or overcoming – the very things we THINK to be set or identified against and apart from?

Is this also not who we fear to be exposed and hated for – and believe because we hate this in ourselves? And so must we not then WANT to see it in others and give them such roles as protect us from ourselves?

Illuminating the mind-in-act calls for release of judgement – regardless the ferocity of the storm.
But I write to self-awareness as the willingness to accept life and extend it as both freedom and responsibility. Rather than to except our own part in its denial as the right to judge over others.

We each and therefore together, accept a reintegrative recognition of life as distict from its masking substitution, by allowing ourselves to be truly moved – rather than seeking possession and control of the movement.

The trickery of the mind is worth noting. In an instant, it can present to you a world out of imagination, by which to justify yourself to yourself.
In its true alignment – this serves our capacity to engage and explore in experiencing the thought and perspective we accept and resonate in as true of who we feel and know ourself to be. It identifies us perfectly as the visibility and tangibility of love.

To give the power of love to that which limits, conflicts and substitutes for love is to propagate limiting, conflicting thoughts, beliefs, definitions and mores that are not just as the packaging presents – but carry a hidden agenda.

Love has no hidden agenda – and in that sense needs no masking – save that which is willing to meet people where they are rather than seek to expose them in who they are not.

The psyop is the madness of our own dispossession to a manipulative intent. Even as torture brutalises and dehumanises the perpetrator, wilful deceit destroys the capacity to recognise and hence answer the Call to Life.
No one is specially selected or excluded but each is in our own set of rules and filtering distortions running behind the social curtain.

Let Bernays provide an education – not in the dark arts of a private self interest preying on the trust of others or upon the gullibility and cynicism of others who WANT something to be true or untrue and are therefore already willing to accept the lie that serves their perceievd self-interests.

The art and science of healing, is the bringing to awareness and release, that which by denying, denies us wholeness. From an awakened and shared wholeness we may rightly deny thoughts of limitation, division, conflict and substitution of the felt movement of our being with an emotion-backed narrative dictate. Hence aligning in the joy of your being in any moment of noticing and acting out is the condition of unconflicted mind or purpose i which the false shows up as obviously false.

You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Discernment is always current and regardless the insights of past experience – is always current.

Growing a new or fresh currency is ‘good news’ in that it is true witness rather than manufactured masking. Learning to tune in to this rather than to what we judge against in others is becoming able to hear their Call for life even through the distrortions of the mask. Join with them there for your own release or know you choose an identity in fear OF release – and let that noticing become curiousity instead of feeding a mask of lack and shame.

To not be manipulated by triggered past experience is to be willing to open it to healing – one step at a time.

But unless a light extends past the appearaces of unworthiness or hatefulness – the mask is all that can be seen. Unhealed ‘healers’ who seek to remake their world in the image of their social curtain by redefining the experience of others for them in ways others are willing to pay for.

The power of suggestion is your willingness to give it your focus of attention.

Berlin beerman
Berlin beerman
Dec 15, 2019 1:48 PM

It starts with schooling of young children. Propaganda starts from day one. The entire methods to learned behaviour begin early.

Its become rather evident in the last two decades that youth have little ability to differentiate between opinion and fact, hence opinions become facts and history re-writes more easily than ever before.

Presenters on the tele are not research based reporters anymore, not that that made a difference in the past 50 years but at least you saw the reporting which made you think. Today we do not even know who is reporting.

Fresno_Jim
Fresno_Jim
Dec 15, 2019 7:02 PM
Reply to  Berlin beerman

Not so sure reporters were ever not pressing a political agenda. I visited Sam Simeon Ca., the William Randolph Hearst mansion actually. In the tour the guide stated unequivocally that W R Hearst was know in the 1920’s as the king-maker. If you wanted to be President of the US you first had to kiss his ring. The names and players may have changed but the game is still the same.

Berlin beerman
Berlin beerman
Dec 15, 2019 8:39 PM
Reply to  Fresno_Jim

Propaganda.

Hurst was appalled at the Hollywood propaganda machine. He saw the damage it caused and he had the weapons with which to fire back opposing opinions.

Today the media outlets rarely have opposing views and if they do its still not entirely on a global agenda.

Today you have speed of information, granted it can be flawed and dishonestly interpreted, yet its upon us in a heart beat and on mass.

Today you have opinions stated and written as fact with minions who can not fathom the difference between the two.

Fact and fiction have been part of world history from the beginning. Eventually some begin to see and to understand and to hate and to feel violated, of wasted time, and worse.

Propaganda usually works on uniformed, simple minded individuals. The propagandists are not much different other than they are in tune with their evil and self centered objectives.

Switch the power to these “minions” – do you think they would think twice given the chance to protect it and to use it to enrich themselves? Human behaviour is something that we can not escape.

Propaganda is as much our enemy as it is our vice.

Fresno_Jim
Fresno_Jim
Dec 15, 2019 11:15 PM
Reply to  Berlin beerman

Actually Hearst is the definition of yellow journalism.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 16, 2019 7:33 PM
Reply to  Fresno_Jim

Hearst was the grandfather of yellow journalism.

MOU

Ivan
Ivan
Dec 15, 2019 1:02 PM

A good article. I too cannot understand how a journalist who cares about truth agrees to present awards to “Bellingcat”, since it looks so probable that they are tied to western “secret services”, thus CIA/NSA/… This should discredit at least his judgement, if not himself as a person who cares about morality of his actions.

Ivan
Ivan
Dec 15, 2019 2:28 PM
Reply to  Ivan

“to present awards to “Bellingcat”” – sorry, I was not citing the article correctly, it was actually an Emmy award to a film whitewashing “Bellingcat”, not an award to “Bellingcat” itself.

paul
paul
Dec 15, 2019 4:36 PM
Reply to  Ivan

Why shouldn’t Elliott get an award?
He was previously Underwear Salesman Of The Year.
He has a history of excellence in whatever field he is in.

ArseaboutFace
ArseaboutFace
Dec 15, 2019 12:58 PM

Interesting that Firefox screenshot seems to have gone mental when trying to save this for future reference …

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Dec 15, 2019 2:19 PM
Reply to  ArseaboutFace

Always better to save the whole page / article as an archive file in Firefox, or else print it as a PDF file.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Dec 15, 2019 12:13 PM

Actually the most dangerous situations are mass media organisations which build a decades long brand for some point of view being turned into the exact opposite without telling the readers.

The Guardian is the classic example. It is now owned by neocons and so, surprise surprise, it is now a neocon outlet. But still the sheep on the left keep reading it. It is no more left wing than Boris Johnson is monogamous.

The Democratic Party is also now a neoliberal party, utterly disconnected from blue collar IS workers. Just like New Labour ended up and London Labour now is.

The EU started with a reputation of being communautaire, but is now unashamedly neoconservative and fancies being a global imperialist. But still the duped Remainers think otherwise.

When there are bloody coups, everyone knows what has happened. Ukraine, Bolivia, Venezuela etc.

When it is Major to Blair, no one gets it until it is too late. I said before 1997 was out that Blair had acquired more power than Mrs Thatcher had got after five years in office, but the great Labour supporters of my family could not bear to discuss it. Being right is not much use if the majority remain wedded to the false illusion.

The great job of propagandists is to ensure that trust is granted to the unworthy.

I suggest you all assemble headlines of DT journalists for a while and ask if you trust any of those mouthpieces. When you piece together their imperatives (bombing Syria, Lionising the White Helmets, saying the US should take over the ‘failing NHS’, crush the Labour party into the ground etc etc) and their silences (9/11 was organised to benefit Israel, Tony Blair earned £50m+ for being a lying warmonger, the media represents London and London alone, political influence should always be granted ro foreigners, nondomd and tax exiles etc etc) you need to ask if that is what being conservative represents (because reading what people who call themselves Conservative write at right wing blogs tells me that they are frothing, eyes are bulging in incandescent rage at how their value system has been misrepresented in their traditional organs).

Those in the conservative trenches have eithdrawn their trust from right wing organs.

It amazes me that those on the left have not done the same or if they have, what they are doing about it.

The MSM no longer represents any ordinary opinion, be it left or right wing.

paul
paul
Dec 15, 2019 4:43 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

The MSM is dying on its feet. It is laying off tens of thousands of people in the US and being outsourced to “Steve from Mumbai” for $5 an article. People just aren’t buying what they’re selling any more. All the lies have become too obvious. It has lost all credibility and become a standing joke, only partly because of Trump. Ditto Britain. All the real journalists are as dead as the dodo, replaced by clickbait.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 15, 2019 10:47 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

That bit about ‘the sheep on the left’ who carry on reading a ‘traditionally left wing’ paper without noticing that it has turned completely around reminded me of the story of actress Maggie Gyllenhaal who appeared in the anti-union propaganda film ‘Won’t Back Down’. On being criticised for this, Gyllenhaal said, ‘There’s no world in which I would ever, EVER make an anti-union movie. My parents are left of Trotsky.’ Note the typically American glitzy hyperbole that shows no awareness of what she’s talking about. But the main wonder is that she embodies that ludicrously shallow notion that you can be something by simply calling yourself it.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 16, 2019 1:39 AM
Reply to  George Mc

It’s not easy being the greatest drummer in the entire world but someone has to be that individual even if I don’t proclaim it often enough to warrant being characterized as shallow.

MOU

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 20, 2019 4:58 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

…the most dangerous situations are mass media organisations which build a decades long brand for some point of view being turned into the exact opposite without telling the readers. The Guardian is the classic example. It is now owned by neocons and so, surprise surprise, it is now a neocon outlet.

The Guardian was never, not ever–from its foundation by Midlands mill owners united against their workers, in Manchester or anywhere else–left of centre, and it has frequently veered to the deep right.

The Democratic Party is also now a neoliberal party […] Just like New Labour ended up…

“New” Labour was always Tory Light. Tony Blair’s pitch to the Labour party for the leadership role, which he won 2 treacherous years 9 treacherous months and 11 treachourous days before becoming Prime Minister, was a quite explicit break not only from the “old” Labour left but also from any meaningful semblance of socialism (not that the Labour party, from its inception onwards, was anything much more than an appeasement mechanism in the servicee of capital).

The EU started with a reputation of being communautaire, but is now unashamedly neoconservative and fancies being a global imperialist.

“Reputation”? Rock Hudson (who he?) had a “reputation” of being an all-American he-male. The EU, from the earliest days of the ECSC onwards has been 100% rock-solid imperious capitalist. Lip service to a humanist, democratic polity made in the 1957 Treaty of Rome in order to lull politicians into somnolence have acquised themselves into full-scale smoke and mirrors duplicity ever since, with the 1997 Treaty of Amsterdam definitively cementing in the fascist dream of its pre-WW2 proponents with the formal adoption of the acquis principle. The “communautaire” in “Acquis Communautaire” does not refer to a community of real persons, it refers to a community of hard-right nation states with the only proviso being that none of them shall project an image of overt fascism lest internal and external trade under globalized predatory capital be disrupted by the inconvenience of conflict and the cost of cannon fodder.

Why do you propagate myths of some never-existent golden age to the contrary?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 20, 2019 5:06 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

It amazes me that those on the left have not done the same or if they have, what they are doing about it.

Putting together, if too late, flawed movements, conflicted parties and honest publications. What did you think?

BigB
BigB
Dec 15, 2019 12:04 PM

Lipmann was also the Father of Neoliberalism: which is often traced to the Lipmann Colloque in 1928. Menger, Mises, and Hayek gestated their ideas in thinktanks sponsored by the Mount Pelerin Society and City of London before starting their great social-Darwinian behaviorism and and social engineering project in Chile. The rest they say is history: or is it?

The big idea was organising society around the equilibrium of supply and demand: which was the only emancipatory distribution of production which led to absolute freedom. So long as the state stepped out of the way. Of the many flawed fallacious contradictions that have come to light – such as the extremised and polarised inequality of distribution (ah, but the market is neutral – it’s your fault if you are not making it large) – was that the market mechanism was severely crisis prone. So the state remained integrally valuable as the backstop to the market economy. The place where could ‘cash in your chips’ and socialise your debts: whilst privatising profits. Which you could then use to buy up the assets of the whole countries you had just destroyed: laundering fictitious capital for state national assets. Which would extract a rentier profit in the next business cycle.

The lesser known part of this cycle was that society itself was integrated into this market fundamentalism – by Thatcher most obviously – which Polanyi called the great transition to the market society. Society being an intersubjective colloquial and consensual community: modern subjectivity became a dependent function of market forces. The individual was the atom of regional/local society; of the national state; and the transnational market economy. Not necessarily willingly: but modern epochal subjectivity is market dependent as a soft neoliberal subjectivity.

With all this focus is on the state/deep state nexus: none is in the contemporaneous subjective part of the dialectical process. That is: if the state/deep state nexus is so shit – why do we keep validating this market society hierarchy? As circa 30 million subjects voted to subordinate themselves to self-maximising market fundamentalism once again.

The consensual contract with the state – quasi-formalised by the state electoral process (voting) – sets the relationship of the market subject to the state as one of obedient powerlessness. We transfer power of attorney to the state legislature and statutory jurisprudence as executor of the General Will. In return for: well you tell me …because they obviously have some addictive narcotic something we keep buying into? And we have become operantly conditioned to enter a consensual term-contract with a cannibalistic hyper-capitalist market monster for diminishing returns in wealth, wellbeing, rights and freedoms …long after this Market Social Contract ceased to work for anyone. Including all life on earth and the very environment itself.

The state will never change: only extremise. Only we can change: or we risk extremising ourselves by being continually subject to exponentially expansive dialectical market dynamics. The repeat reinstatement of the market state and our offered powerlessness to it has passed fundamentalist theodicy into actual madness. If we can diagnose the market state economy and its integral ideology industrial complex as insane: surely we have to lend our legitimacy to a greater sanity? Which leads to the greatest impasse of all. The Great Sanity is a synonym of the Great Simplification. Embracing sanity means great personal sacrifice and relinquishing of status, security, wealth, and self-importance – which are market dependencies – in return for love, compassion, loving-kindness, humility and emancipatory alter-globalised equality – which are true values independent of the market state. And a voluntary simple life of personal sufficiency.

Which is a conclusion I suspect many will be coming to as the only solution to the multiplex of ecological, social, and psychological crises we face. Because of our blind faith devotion to the market state madness we have continually volunteered to subordinate our full humanity to. For reasons best left in the Collective Cognitive Unconscious – mediated and coordinated by cognitive linguistics – as endocolonised by market-dependent hyper-individualism (if you do not know: reality is socially co-created unconsciously long before we ever became reflectively aware of it).

Which is everything we are not. The future is here when we choose to reject our acculturated pre-conscious conditioning and institutionalised habituation of state constructivism. Until then: the state/deep state ideological market nexus is the major part of who we voluntarily choose to be and vote to extend in the state electoral process. Which is a self-evident socialised anomie and insanity …especially now we have legitimated the Trump/Johnson administration as executors of the trans-Atlantic General Will.

If we cannot see that the state electoral process is nothing other than an expedited extinction protocol now: nothing can save us from us ever again.

The consensual contr
The consensual contr
Dec 15, 2019 12:20 PM
Reply to  BigB

Oh come on. Firstly, we are powerless to initiate change, you said it yourself.

The consensual contract with the state – quasi-
formalised by the state electoral process (voting) – sets the relationship of the market subject to the state as one of obedient powerlessness

So why is your narrative always that we are morons for even bothering to try and force a small change on the back of neoliberalism’s obvious failure.

If we can diagnose the market state economy
and its integral ideology industrial complex as insane: surely we have to lend our legitimacy to a greater sanity? Which leads to the greatest impasse of all. The Great Sanity is a synonym of the Great Simplification. Embracing sanity means great personal sacrifice and relinquishing of status, security, wealth, and self-importance – which are market dependencies – in return for love, compassion, loving-kindness, humility and emancipatory alter-globalised equality – which are true values independent of the market state. And a voluntary simple life of personal sufficiency.

Schoolboy dreams.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 15, 2019 12:21 PM

I posted the above, not the consensual whatever.

BigB
BigB
Dec 15, 2019 9:30 PM

Yes, because working hand in hand with neoliberalism to produce universal-emancipatory humanism is working out just fine, so far. We’ve state-socially agreed our way to the event horizon of species extinction …and we are still negotiating for corporate concessions as we enter the egoically devolutionary black hole.

If you try a set of behaviours and they fail …you adapt and try a new set. If you stick with the same set over and over expecting different results …is that a definition of sanity or insanity? Why are we so wedded to the capitalist state and the expedited extinctionism on offer? And the white supremacism …the ethnocentric exceptionalism …the imperialism …the extractivism …the toxic social inequality? Maybe next time conscious capitalism will raise the global poor out of poverty by another cent to compensate for subsidising the global rich for another year?

Last week: 30 million people voted to extend this most evil and pernicious system …which almost universally considered “normal”. Only, on what value-ethical criteria? None on which we can survive on.

Socrates said a life unexamined is not worth living. Ours won’t be for much longer if we don’t commit to more radical analysis than we presently undertake. The idea that the natural attitude of the UK electorate is normal doesn’t stand to life-affirming reason. Nor does the idea it would be normalized without dark influence is just a story we tell ourselves as part of the self-deception. The market state society is a sickness that has been hypernormalised …but is anything but. It wasn’t just the media that did it …we did it to ourselves. By never examining the dualistic conceptual categories we were acculturated and socialised into.

If we cannot see this cultural hsociopathology clearly now… we never will. If we do not try and diagnose the pathogenesis and etiology of our disease – as Professor John Mcmurtry has done… we will remain terminally ill

Geordie
Geordie
Dec 17, 2019 12:24 PM
Reply to  BigB

I’ m not sure what some of those words mean, bonny lad, but if I can just ask — what you you think us ordinary people struggling to help make a difference should do if voting doesn’t work?

My dad was a coal miner, I drive a delivery van three days a week so I’m after practical suggestions not a philosophical treatise, if it’s all the same man.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 20, 2019 5:49 AM

So why is your narrative always that we are morons for even bothering to try and force a small change on the back of neoliberalism’s obvious failure.

That’s not what he’s trying to say. What he’s trying to say is that no change at all is any longer (see ‘negentropy’ as repositioned by Fantappiè and subsequent commentators) if you persist in trying to place and effect that change within the anti-life framework that has spawned, amongst other anti-human monstrosities, neoliberalism.

Schoolboy dreams.

Actually, vice versa.

Molloy
Molloy
Dec 15, 2019 1:52 PM
Reply to  BigB

Yes. Is this not the psyops, deliberate indoctrination, that more than 60% are afflicted by — — despair and learned helplessness?
For me, utterly amazing how many seemingly become so apathetic re blatant election fraud.
What can we do?!!

BigB
BigB
Dec 16, 2019 11:12 AM
Reply to  Molloy

They play a part. When I said human perception is distorted before we become aware of it …I mean thousands of years before. We inherit the sedimentation of millennia of assumptions and beliefs. That is what a culture is. And cultural-linguistics are the means of inter-generational transmission …which is epigenetic.

The categories we use are a little modified direct epigenetic transmission straight from Aristotle. The major politics – of progressivism and conservatism – stem largely from Aristotle and Plato. Which have evolved as syncretic ideals accordingly. But not that much if you struggle to read at least some of the Republic. It’s pretty much all there. “Authoritarianism is the footnotes to Plato” is how I frame that.

We essentially inherit shit distorted representations of the world: and make them more shit and distorted inter-generationally. It is an epigenetic anti-evolution. The distorted conceptual representations determine the distorted appearances of the world: and the distorted appearances determine the distorted representations. It is a vicious vortex dynamics of distortion. Which can be semantically framed as a ‘hermeneutic hyperloop’ and closed, self-amplifying, distorted representation/appearance cognitive cycle. 98% of which is unconsciously categorised preceding any awareness of it.

And yes: it is weighted toward power. Rather than choose to emancipate ourselves from this state-market-social constructivism …we more or less totally act out (perform) and honour our millennial culturally-conditioned indoctrination into state-slavery.

I will now play on the world’s smallest violin to point out that the oppressors are victim to this intergenerational traumatic transmission of our dis-ease and social anomie. There is no them and us: it is a false dualised dichotomy we need to transcend. If and when we transcend ALL false dualised dichotomies: the state/subject, oppressor/oppressed, master/slave, self/other binary dualisms all collapse into co-equality. At which point we will no longer need fraudulent elections.

This is realism: not idealism. But worry not: I only write to point out that the world CAN change. Quite easily, if it wants. I have no real faith it WILL change. We will just act out the same millenarian death cult of nuclear-peace and super-abundance under the technocracy of unlimited transnational capital accumulation. Which is absolutely insane: but no one is going to take my word for. It must be down to the indoctrination of the CIA?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 20, 2019 5:21 AM
Reply to  BigB

Which is a conclusion I suspect many will be coming to as the only solution to the multiplex of ecological, social, and psychological crises we face.

Enough, if enough enough still remain, will only be coming to that conclusion when, as an assistant to the manager of the Playboy Club in Park Lane said long, long ago, the most “will be dropping like flies” dead in the streets.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 15, 2019 11:35 AM

Very powerful peice of writing Edward, thank you.
‘Bellingcat: Truth In A Post Truth World’. Jayzus… Who came up with such bullshit? Higgins himself? The loon wouldn’t know Truth if it fell on him from a 5 storey building. And the bloody film wins an Emmy!?
Its almost as Orwellian as Obama winning a Nobel Peace Prize.
The first thing we need to do is detach ourselves from the propaganda matrix as much as possible, if not fully.
Dump the mainstream presstitutes where they belong: The Sewer. I totally avoid American brainrot TV shows like NCIS and 24 and all the other crap, which is just crude propaganda.
In fact, I watch almost no TV at all, except the occasional game of football, and once in a blue moon, a documentary.
I won’t watch anything from Hollywood full stop.
Interesting to note the CIA’s idea of courting the compatible Left (i.e Gatekeepers). I think a lot of us here have a fair idea of who they are. Rather coincidentally, just bought a book today entitled ‘Postmodernism And The Politics Of The Pseudo Left’.
The disclosure earlier this year of who was funding the defunct International Socialist Organisation in the United States all made perfect sense, given their warped disgraceful views about Syria, Libya and elsewhere that dovetailed very nicely with the Establishment narrative on regime change in those uppity countries.
There are only about 7 independent news sites I trust now. They most definately do Not include Counterpunch, Alternet, Jacobin and The Intercept.

milosevic
milosevic
Dec 17, 2019 9:39 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

The disclosure earlier this year of who was funding the defunct International Socialist Organisation in the United States all made perfect sense

Who was funding them?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 17, 2019 12:58 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Hi Milosevic…. The defunct International Socialist Organisation and their publishing arm Haymarket Books had an umbrella organisation called Centre For Economic Research And Social Change – CERSC.
At least 37% of CERSC funding came from Democratic Party aligned think tanks and foundations including the Wallace Fund, Tides Foundation and Lannan Foundation.
Since 2007-08, CERSC received $3.172 million from these and other foundations. Rockefeller Brothers Fund gave CERSC a $40000 grant in 2018, and they also received a $25000 grant from the UNZ foundation… as in Ron Unz. Billionaire businessman.
Why would he, and the Rockefeller’s give grants to a ‘revolutionary socialist’ (cough) organisation?
The Tides Foundation as mentioned above was established by an RJ Reynolds tobacco heiress, and was recently being funded millions of dollars by…. Guess who. Yep, George Soros.
The Lannan Foundation was set up by a Financier, Patrick Lannan.
Another funder for the Tides Foundation has been USAID.
So, in summary Milosevic:
Follow the money!! And it will lead you to the puppet masters.
As we both know, gatekeepers and phonies everywhere. Refer to Cord Meyer from the CIA in the 1950s who stated the CIA could ‘work with the compatible left’.
I hope this answers your question.

Geordie
Geordie
Dec 17, 2019 12:27 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I personally have my reservations about Consortium News too, and not sure what to make of Caitlin Johnstone after her bit of line-toeing over 9/11.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 17, 2019 1:15 PM
Reply to  Geordie

Hi Geordie… I make comments at Caitlin Johnstone, and yeah, saw that article on 9/11, and like you was quite perplexed by it.
After that, will be more aware of what she says.
I also note with her blog, the topic of the Zionist lobby or even Israel itself hardly ever gets mentioned. At all.
Also note she uses the phrase ‘American Centralised Empire’ which strikes me as a bit odd.
However, most of what Caitlin says, I do agree with quite strongly.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 15, 2019 11:31 AM

Freud’s influence has waned dramatically over the last 2 generations. Psychoanalysis is now seen as charlatanesque by many and importantly it has never been shown to work for anything in a randomized trial.Its practitioners said that trials were unnecessary, it’s benefits were so obvious. In the 70’s I recall asking analysts in NYC, home of the great Institute, if it did any good. I finally got one to reply without the steely stare reserved for those suspected of wanting to starve the offspring of analysts. He said with a thick Brooklyn accent, “Does it do any good?! Look, I got a house, a car and a big boat!” He meant it. Ah the candour before post-truth.

It has been supplanted by CBT which does work. But for decades analysts were the embodiment of the poseur, but never achieved much cred among their medical colleagues who saw them for what they were. They never said much, and could not be challenged without that stock steely stare. While many thought the stare concealed brilliant churning analysis of their ids and the like, it was as deep as the look your male dog gives you when you peel him off the back of a bitch.

In contrast, Bernays’ legacy is all around us, like sauce (different sp), in our faces, minds, ears, and eyes. Has he been the most negative influence in human history? I think so. He should be better known and much more reviled.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 15, 2019 12:23 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

I couldn’t agree more.

Molloy
Molloy
Dec 15, 2019 1:58 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

“….supplanted by CBT which does work..”
CBT only works in the minority of cases; often by victim blaming and persuading the individual to conform with mainstream stupidity.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 15, 2019 3:30 PM
Reply to  Molloy

Yes that’s why a Nobel was given for it. You may wish to read the citation. Your summary of CBT is frankly unreasonable, unsupported and naive. It does not work well for many personality disorders but nothing does. They are the only maladies failing to respond to placebo and a measure of their intractableness is that even metastatic bone pain responds to placebo.

Molloy
Molloy
Dec 15, 2019 3:47 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

“We found no evidence for the superiority of CBT or short-term psychoanalytical therapy…..”
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanpsy/PIIS2215-0366(16)30378-9.pdf

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 15, 2019 5:13 PM
Reply to  Molloy

My dear Molloy, I hope you don’t mind me saying that link is very misleading in this context and you fail to point out that the study you cite is solitary, in a very specific condition, viz. adolescent unipolar depression, and one which hardly be expected to shed light on the general run of psychiatric disorders, and does not address the usual bedevilling issues of dose, context, and duration. Yes these are formidable.

If personality disorders and psychiatric diseases are anything they are heterogeneous and multifactorial.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 16, 2019 2:12 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

Personality Disorders & Psychiatric Disease models are primarily western inventions whereby referents of disease are based in the individual instead of the society & environment. Causality & direction of causal determinants of psychopathology are culturally determined.

The American Diagnostic Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders is an insurance manual for physicians & MDs mostly. Only wealthy cohorts get to see a Clinical Psychologist or Psychiatrist in practice. Wealthy clients are not research data for most academic studies as they are protected via privacy rights. Most academic work is done on university undergrads which skews generalizability to the population as a whole.

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is great for dogs & cats. I suspect it works for seriously phobic individuals too.

No psychotherapy is a panacea for self knowledge & introspection except maybe Psychoanalysis.

MOU

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 16, 2019 1:54 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

Freud was the first to systematize Psychosexual Development & Psychological Defense Mechanisms, plus he was midwife to Psychoanalysis which was actually given to him by Joseph Breuer his mentor & the grandfather of Psychoanalysis proper. Freud was grandfather of Psychoanalytic Theory.

Psychodynamic discipline in Personality Theory is historically known as First Force Psychology & Depth Psychology. Freud also was instrumental vis-a-vis the Third Scourge of Humanity via Uber Coca and his introduction to the world of Cocaine.

I thought he was the cat’s pajamas, frankly.

MOU

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 16, 2019 2:13 AM

But many think psychoanalysis, especially as it became practised in his later years on rich neurotics, to be akin to frenzied self-abuse. He spawned hordes of cash and carry analysts who never found it necessary to ask if it was actually of any value to the patients nor to subject it to the usual measures of efficacy. It being helpful to themselves was sufficient. He owed more than he allowed to Pavlov.
But he surely contributed to many fields including aphasia, understanding humour and to dreams. Cats knickers yes.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 16, 2019 2:50 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

I collaborated on academic research with two APA Chairs of Psychoanalysis back in the 90s. They are both serious Experimental Psychologists with extensive research track records. They were never inclined to entertain neuroticism as being fundamental aetiology of psychopathology.

Read Frank Sulloway’s _Freud: Biologist of the Mind_

Freud was also the first to invent & develop cell staining technique with a silver Golgi stain for analysis of cell tissue. He was a Neurobiologist before he invented Psychoanalytic Theory.

MOU

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 15, 2019 11:10 AM

This may seem off topic but I think it’s an indication of the vast change the entire Western world is going through:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP4TUARDa4A

S B Cohen is speaking on behalf of the old media paradigm i.e. the one I grew up in where I could simply put my faith in “proper news” – indeed it was unthinkable, as in unthought – to have to say “proper” there. There was one main news outlet. This has of course broken down with the internet and the old order are panicking.

There’s too much going on in this clip to summarise but I will highlight the brilliant observation that Cohen’s supposed unmasking of prejudice is actually a projection of stereotypical prejudice which his victims momentarily go along with just to please him. In short, it’s a microcosm of the basic tactic of creating your own enemies to justify your own aggressive acts.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 15, 2019 6:16 PM
Reply to  George Mc

From S B Cohen’s speech:

“…Zuckerberg says that “people should decide what is credible, not tech companies.” But at a time when two-thirds of millennials say they haven’t even heard of Auschwitz, how are they supposed to know what’s “credible”? How are they supposed to know that the lie is a lie?”

You’re not to be trusted to know what’s ‘credible’ unless you know about Auschwitz. The Holocaust is your guide to everything!

And isn’t it curious how the Holocaust has ceaselessly been used to emphasise a misanthropic view that says human nature is irredeemably evil – especially when amplified by masses. And to note that SBC’s ‘humour’ is based on ‘proving’ that everyone is racist and bigoted. Note how all this feeds so conveniently into that oldest political trick: divide-and-rule.

J-J
J-J
Dec 15, 2019 9:35 AM

Chris Hedges was shown for the lackey he’s always hidden from view when he called Lenin a right wing dictator! And as for Glenn Greenwald hes another shill controlled opposition journo for liberal kiddy winks

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 15, 2019 9:31 AM

The only ‘rule’ I have for tackling disinformation is to mistrust any site that offers itself up as a ‘guide to disinformation’. I’m afraid there is no alternative but to roll your sleeves up and get in there and keep your critical faculties working all the time. What makes it even more arduous – or ‘interesting’ – is that you may find a site that is offering obvious bullshit or which has a basic point of view that seems contemptible – and yet it may offer up info that is genuine, this being an attempt to ‘stain’ the good stuff with the bad.

The entire thrust of a consumer capitalist world is to hear, ‘Don’t do the work. Let us do it for you’. Never trust that. There is simply no substitute for thinking for yourself.

J-J
J-J
Dec 15, 2019 9:39 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Well people like you and I are in the minority because I show people the evidence for certain things and their responses is along the lines of “but the news/papers said so, why would they lie” even though these are same people that say “I don’t believe a word I’m told by the media” the mind boggles

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Dec 16, 2019 3:34 PM
Reply to  J-J

Perhaps we cannot confront people directly without triggering defence. It may be that our trying to get through generates the very reaction that blocks.

Integrating what we open to as our own life, is a freedom to be who we are, that doesn’t need to recruit or convince anyone – but does pass through loneliness and exclusion with all that that brings up – as PART OF a deeper reintegration. But it will seem a block or negative outcome at first and for many is a block that prevents even listening.

Fear OF exclusion, of isolation, of loss of supported identity, clings to the ‘known’, because on one level it works – even if when pushed it is a pack of cards – and so is strongly or artfully defended.

A world of lies is a very hard and dark world to live in – if you have no foundation in the truth of love – I say the truth of love because it is nothing to do with words or presentations but what we live to each other and give and receive – despite or regardless appearances. Then we recognise we live in who we are – and bring that to our world rather than living in the world of appearances – or rather of appearances as if they have fixed and assigned meanings.

Perhaps being at peace with ourself or unconflicted in our relational being speaks the word that your verbal communication is then supported in. For those who resonate in what is relevant to them at that timing.

Many can only let in a little at a time as a process of shifting allegiances and supports.
Perhaps being with or listening to them may uncover something for us in ways we don’t expect.

Love cannot be forced. You may say what’s love got to do with it – bit if someone comes at you with demands and expectations to be what they want you to be – you will not feel seen of heard – but there might be a mutually manipulative social mask set over the lack of relational ease.

Molloy
Molloy
Dec 15, 2019 2:02 PM
Reply to  George Mc

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream – and not make dreams your master;
If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
‘ Or walk with Kings – nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And – which is more – you’ll be a Man, my son!

— Kipling

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Dec 16, 2019 2:07 PM
Reply to  George Mc

If you don’t read what I write in joining with your comment – the short version is yes, and thankyou.

I’ve been skimming through comments on this page and so much is ‘making an identity by reaction’ rather than growing a consciousness from which to share in. From the attempt to understand in a frame that precludes understanding perhaps.

In a curious way, clashing identities reinforce each other no less than by ‘agreement’ – within the contest of some arguable facet of truth. But this merely makes ‘noise’ by which the signal is lost – and into which ‘taking sides’ attracts emotional identity investment. A battle of illusions from which truth must be excluded if we seek to make it a weapon against anything.

A key recognition in my appreciation is that the truly helpful is often uncovered where we would least and last look – or behind what we judge and are identified against.

Creating the conditions in which truth reveals itself, is our abiding through ‘reactive mind’ where there is the noticing or prompt to do so – rather than the reflex or recoil from ‘judged reality’.

In short then, ‘judgement’ operates an identity seeking reinforcement, and discernment allows a revealing of that which identifies truly. Sympathies and antipathies both exclude an embracing compassion for what is really here – rather than whether we like it or not.

Judging from subconscious habits SEEMS easier because it is aligning in old learned patterns of reactive unconsciousness – in which dissonance is essentially perceived as a toxic overhead to escape, deny or get rid of, but discernment is the result of being willing to feel or abide through a dissonance as a direct and willing curiosity and desire to know.

I add that to know or to be certain does not pertain to objects of thought but to conscious decision. To know our purpose is to know who we are and what we do in the being and doing as one flow – rather than a separative sense of thinking that seeks to possess and control its own chaos that results.

Without the responsibility for our consciousness – there is none that grows, persists and knows itself living. Instead, a conflicted, vacillating and self contradictory self-erasure takes place – as if being seduced to death by fantasy of life’s replacement.

So gratitude for what I appreciate in your post as a companionship even if only in a shared appreciation without any personal aspects coming into play.

There is a sense where a reintegrative consciousness simply wants to ‘come out and play’ in the old sense of life happening from being together in life. But most everyone is busy losing their mind to the belief they must think themself to live.

But not everyone.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 15, 2019 8:55 AM

Bernays did use his knowledge for peaceful purposes. He took a cakemix that wasn’t selling well and reasoned that it was because, with only the addition of water to the mix, housewives didn’t feel they were actually ‘makeing’ the cake. His solution, he removed the dried egg powder and got ‘housewives’ to beat VB an egg into the mixture. The cakemix was hugely successful after that.
It’s taught to all marketing students and shows how easily you can control thinking by playing up to social customs.
In his own way, Higgins does the same. He started out as “Brown Moses” during the distruction of Libya. He had an obsession with weapons but developed a following, firstly among Sunnis living in Britain, and secondly by conservative supporters wishing to justify Libyan (and then Syrian) intervention. At the
time, I thought he was in Libya/Syria, it was only later when he started responding to people calling him out with stuff like “Sick my hairy sack” that I understood he wasn’t Syrian/Libyan, or even Muslim. He was an obsessive nutter who’d taken his gun obsession and made himself an expert to people who wanted to hear what he said.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 15, 2019 9:00 AM
Reply to  lundiel

An afterthought. In our society Higgins is an entrepreneur.

Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob
Dec 15, 2019 8:41 AM
Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Dec 15, 2019 8:32 AM

First they came for Democracy, having captured justice, fairness, kindness, the ability to think, and finally they murdered Truth. The latest election in the UK is just the latest example of the choreographed slaughter of truth, and the unstoppable boot of Fascism stamping on the Face of Humanity. But as long as a few candles (like Offguardian) still burn, then perhaps there is still a flicker of hope? For if we abandon hope, then evil has finally triumphed.
Still mourning the UK election, I was reminded that everything in the end is corrupted, just as in Nature. In the Western Christian church, incorruptibility was one sign of sainthood. (Though in the Eastern tradition, did it mean vampire?).
Many thanks for reminding us of which quasi-truth tellers have joined the Hellish Chorus of lies and half-truths. As always, the Litmus Test is the assassination of JFK. Thinking of Kinzer here, his lies can reveal truth – provided one has eyes to see and a mind to think.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 15, 2019 3:35 PM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

Hugh you have a platinum tongue.

Roberto
Roberto
Dec 15, 2019 5:09 PM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

First, the Labour Party voted to remove their leader, but he refused to resign. Then, that leader led the Party to their worst defeat since 1935, and he didn’t immediately resign.
He promises to resign after a ‘suitable period of reflection’.
What is it with leftist leaders who will just not go? Propaganda aside, the Party’s message just did not resonate with voters, who realise that political idealism, and especially radical idealism, has had an unfortunate record of failure in history simply because of the forced conformity it requires.
The typical reaction of leftist failure is to blame everyone and everything else; there is evil, corruption, superior propaganda, fascism, untruth, and inhumanity because they didn’t win, and they mourn the result. That’s when you realise that to leftists, an election is only an unfortunate stumbling block to gain power; ideally (and historically), voting for the candidate of your choice of only one party is the ideal form of democracy, and taken to its logical conclusion, crypto-feudalism is the unfortunate result.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Dec 15, 2019 5:36 AM

‘In the 1920s, the influential American intellectual Walter Lippman argued that the average person was incapable of seeing or understanding the world clearly and needed to be guided by experts behind the social curtain.’

Lippmans hubris blinded him to the fact that most education systems around the world teach young people WHAT to think, not HOW to think.
That, and the massive education divide between the haves and have nots, has produced a mainly compliant, obedient and gullible
society.
We reap what we sow.

J-J
J-J
Dec 15, 2019 9:42 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

I sure didn’t sow it but I am reaping the rewards of past generations stupidity and fear of their own thoughts