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Connecting the Dots

John Steppling

“Capitalists are no more capable of self-sacrifice than a man is capable of lifting himself up by his own bootstraps.”
Lenin – Letters from Afar

Many on the left seem to have forgotten that capitalism is actually bad. That the reason the planet sinks under the weight of pollution and militarism is because of capitalism.

Nothing that works within the capitalist system is going to save anyone and will only reinforce the existing problems and further the suffering of the poor and disenfranchised.

Now allow me to first start with a few observations on writers published by leftist sites…in this case Counterpunch actually. Louis Proyect titles his piece as a question, If Time Magazine Celebrates Greta Thunberg, Why Should We?

The answer is, if TIME celebrates something, if corporate media celebrate someone or thing, the response should logically be INVESTIGATE and be suspicious. Which is what Cory Morningstar has done.

But Proyect spends his the entirety of his pointless article attacking Morningstar….go figure. He also lies. Morningstar does not attack Greta, she investigates the forces behind Greta. For a guy who wears his marxism like placard around his neck, you would think Proyect might grasp the distinction. Cory Morningstar is almost certainly the most important living journalist in the world (next to Assange perhaps).

And just by way of cursory correction…when Proyect writes:

Just two months ago, (Jamie) Margolin joined other young people in suing Democratic Governor Jay Inslee and the State of Washington over greenhouse-gas emissions. Inslee depicts himself as a liberal, environmentalist governor. If Margolin is a Trojan Horse like Thunberg, her choice of a target hardly sounds like she is trying to make it in corporate, Democratic Party, environmentalist circles.”

…what he fails to recognize is that Margolin is already in the Democratic Party inner circles and served as an intern for Hillary Clinton.

But the bigger problem is that Proyect seems on board with all the activities of Thunberg, and her cohorts. Proyect quotes Morningstar…

Today’s climate emergency mobilization must be recognized for what it is: a strategically orchestrated campaign financed and managed by the world’s most powerful institutions – for the preservation of capitalism and global economic growth. This is the launch of a new growth industry in the Global South coupled with the creation of new and untapped markets.”

And then writes…

Yeah, who cares about icebergs melting and the Great Coral Reef disappearing? The real problem is capitalism—as if the two phenomena were not related.”

The entire point of Morningstar’s work is to bring attention to the fact that Capitalism IS related, not just related but the primary cause of planetary destruction. How does massive PR and billions of marketing stop the death of coral reefs?

But again, class analysis is the issue (and perhaps an inability to read carefully). Thunberg has enlisted corporate billionaire backers (well, they enlisted her). That was the goal.

If Proyect thinks the capitalists behind Thunberg are about to bring radical change and challenge the status quo, he is for a rude awakening. But then Proyect calls Off Guardian a conspiracy-minded site. Such provincial disdain is all too representative. But more on conspiracy theory below.

Allow me to link to Morningstar’s investigation of We Mean Business, a project that gets the Proyect stamp of approval (We Mean Business, not Morningstar)…

I ask the reader to consider the facts. (hint: class analysis, the rich are not there to help anyone but themselves).

Then we have Kirkpatrick Sale and an article (Political Collapse: The Center Cannot Hold) that might well have been written by the state department.In this hideously distorted piece Mr Sale also lies. The biggest of his falsehoods is that Venezuela is a failed state. Uh….maybe he has a different definition. But what Sale is really doing is excusing and providing cover for the Imperialist west.

Yemen is listed as failed but the reasons for its failures are not really made clear. Global Warming? The correct answer is a vicious several year-long attack by the Saudi monarchy and the US and UK military. A genocidal assault that has resulted in mass death and pestilence (180,000 NEW cases of cholera were just reported by WHO). But Mr Sale never mentions that.

Not a peep about western militarism. Not a single word. Nor about the orchestrated illegal covert CIA assault against Venezuela, and more recently and successfully, Bolivia. Imperialism is not touched upon, even once.

Mr Sale writes:

At the moment, there are no less than 65 countries are now fighting wars—there are only 193 countries recognized by the United Nations, so that’s a third of the world. These are wars with modern weapons, organized troops, and serious casualties—five of them, like Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, and Yemen, with 10,000 or more deaths a year, another 15 with more than 1,000 a year—all of them causing disruptions and disintegrations of all normal political and economic systems, leaving no attacked nation in a condition to protect and provide for its citizens.”

But he never explains the role of the US in any of this.

Who made the weapons used in these wars? Well, the answer is largely the US, but also Russia, China, Israel and Brazil. But the vast majority are from the US. Also Syria was targeted by the US for a coup (referred to in polite company as regime change..a term created by the marketing arm of the Pentagon).

Assad has openly been a target of the U.S. Who created and funded ISIS in fact? Answer is the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. Not a word about that fact either.

Here is another quote from Sale…

“These include seven completely failed states—Congo-Brazzaville, Central African Republic, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, South Sudan, and Venezuela—and another seven that are on the edge—Guinea, Haiti, Iraq, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Chad, and the Sudan—plus 19 that are in an “alert” category, meaning that some but not all government functions have failed, 15 in Africa and 4 in Asia.”

What do these nations have in common?

They were targets of the Imperialist West (directly in the cases of Syria, Yemen, Somalia and South Sudan, and Iraq…not to mention the non-failed Venezuela, or indirectly in the neo-colonial plunder of Congo, AFR, Guinea, and Haiti). And, as I pointed out, Venezuela is not failed, nor even close to failed. Its a perfectly functioning country under sanctions by the US. Another fact Sale omits.

Why is Libya not on that list? You know, Libya, where the U.S. destroyed the African nation with the highest standard of living on the continent and reduced it to a slave market run by traffickers.

All in all, Sale is either about room temperature IQ or just a liar or politically aligned with the State Department and Pentagon.

I have no idea which but I do wonder why his tripe is appearing in a leftist site like Counterpunch.

Proyect I understand, because he wears that placard announcing he is a leftist, and because he sort of is an editor at CP. Sale doesn’t and isn’t, so I really do wonder at why this reactionary non-article is published by anyone this side of the CATO Institute?

But that brings me to the next point, which is the narcotic-like effect that the entire Greta story has had on, mostly middle-aged white men. If you cannot but see the obvious stage-managed aspect of the Greta story, the marketing and image control involved, then you are blind or possibly caught up in the cult-like thinking of much new green activism yourself.

For one example, just look at the photo TIME used for its cover.

Greta in an oversized sweater, sans make-up —how old does she look? 13, or 14 I’d say. Well, she is in fact 16. Her sister is 15 and looks much older and certainly clearly into puberty or even past it. Greta is being presented as the virgin symbol of purity.

Now this will be called an attack on Greta…by Proyect anyway. But I am sure many others. It’s not. She is simply the actor in all this (though actors are responsible for their choices, too). For her troubles she gets yacht rides and great dining with world leaders. Why wouldn’t she sign on.

But the rest of the phenomenon is in fact global capital usurping the green movements and activists globally. And the coup in Bolivia is against the indigenous of that nation, many of whom are environmental activists as was President Morales. Which is why the smear campaign (by the same people who help manage Greta) was designed to undermine his environmental work. The biggest thing environmentally that Morales did was to throw out the U.S. military.

But the white men of the West are channelling their disappointments (because capitalism disappoints, at the very least, nearly everyone but the top 3%) into something that resembles a fairy tale narrative of a guardian flock protector (the white guy narrator) defending the honour of blond pre pubescent teenager (in volkisch pigtails and large sweater). Greta is the virgin queen of the environment.

What happens when she gets a boyfriend? I’ll be curious to see. Will the white middle-aged flock protectors feel betrayed? Seems possible. As my friend Hiroyuki Hamada noted, the white male defense of Greta is a reflection of patriarchy and that disappointments today are felt more acutely because they are more flagrant and there are fewer mitigating salves than in the past.

The point here is that why would any socialist or communist sign on to anything supported by the Royal Families of Europe, by global billionaires, and why cant they see that photo ops with Obama and the Pope are not just accidental.

Nobody ever granted Berta Cacerces a photo shoot in Vogue. A genuine activist today is at risk of death by the rising tide (rising fast) of fascism. Look at the heroic defense of Bolivia by the indigenous people of that nation. So many of whom have fought off western mining interests. And the same in Brazil where today there is a wholesale war on the indigenous. Or the vast western mining interests in Africa, and the forced displacement of entire villages to accommodate those interests. Enforced by western security forces.

Much of the climate consensus seems aligned with the ruling class in a fear of a black and Asian planet, and one that is fuelled by the spectre of eugenics (making the world safe for white people). And lest you think that at all hyperbole, just spend some time investigating the activities of the Gates Foundation. Its curious to me why so many liberals froth in admiration of Gates.

Jimmy Wu writes (Capitalism is Dangerous for Your Mental Health, Medium 2019):

Yet capitalism’s reach extends much further than its economic effects; it also shapes our ideology and how we perceive our place in the world. Modern-day capitalism, with its unshakable faith in deregulated markets, privatization of the public sphere, and austerity budgets, has of course contributed to our financial misery, leading to mass hopelessness and anxiety.

But far from being confined to economic policy, contemporary capitalism (often called “neoliberalism”) also embodies a philosophical belief that self-interest and competition, not cooperation, should pervade every aspect of our lives.

In short, our world is shaped in the image of the market. For those in distress, Margaret Thatcher’s oft-cited mantra, “There is no such thing as society,” sends the most disturbing possible message: “You’re on your own.”

This is the psychology of advanced capitalism. And Hollywood and mass media drive home in obsessively repetitious fashion that message of individualism. Of a ruthless individualism. In the recent V Wars (vampire wars) on Netflix, a doctor struggles valiantly throughout the first season looking for a cure. He fails. His only son abducted.

In the last scene we see him, presumably months later, doing chin ups…his rock hard abs and bulging biceps glistening with sweat. He turns to face the came and slings an AK 47 over his shoulder. He stares at camera…he is ready for season two. And the message is, don’t be a pantywaist doctor, they get nothing done. Be a violent sociopathic vigilante.

That’s the message of America in a nutshell.

Richard Slotkin in Gunfighter Nation wrote…

1890, the moment when the landed frontier of the United States was officially declared ‘closed’, the moment when ‘frontier’ became primarily a term of ideological rather than geographical location.”

That remains the principle shaper of consciousness in the U.S. today.

Now one might ask why so many on the left view the Climate discourse without any class analysis. Do you not think that if Prince Charles is supporting a cause that one might be suspicious? I mean would he betray HIS class? Not fucking likely. Would Pierre Omidyar? Would Jeff Bezos, Richard Branson, or Bill Gates??

The answer is no, of course, and yet I see people lining up to sign onboard projects that are endorsed by millionaires and royals. Why? Well, because, partly, of what Jimmy Wu wrote. And I will add another quote from Wu’s piece…

The psychological toll of this market-extremist thinking is ubiquitous and measurable. A long line of social science research has shown that unemployed people are much more likely to become depressed; after all, under the reigning ideology, our self-worth is measured by our economic output. Moreover, since the market is (we are told) a level playing field, with no single actor appearing as the obvious coordinator, those who happen to be losers in this global scramble ostensibly have no one to blame but themselves.”
Jimmy Wu (Capitalism is Dangerous for Your Mental Health)

The same logic applies to those throwing Maduro or Morales under the bus. Or for that matter Assad. Look, if you are a leader targeted by the U.S. there must be a reason. And that reason is independence from the global neoliberal system — and independence is not allowed. Ask the people of Iran or the DPRK or Cuba. Ask Qadaffi. The U.S. does not do things for moral reasons. They are not motivated by ethics or morality.

The rise of fascism is also a reflection of the same conditions that spawned the ‘Greta Defender’ symptomatology.

Fascism is attractive to those who fear being identified as *losers*. Fascism provides a sense of belonging, of unity and purpose. American democracy does not. The ideological frontier that Slotkin noted is what defines the consciousness of most Americans, certainly white americans.

That rugged individualism that Hollywood continues to spew forth in cop shows and spy shows and lawyer shows and even doctor shows is one that is not real. There is no space, materially or psychologically, for Daniel Boone today.

Most of the empty spaces of western America are owned by the federal government.

Most land overall is owned by billionaires. Sixty-one percent of the surface land of America is privately owned. And most of that is empty. The government owns around thirty percent. The working class owns nothing, essentially. Blacks (13% of the population) own under 1%, as of 2016.

But over the past decade, the nation’s wealthiest private landowners have been laying claim to ever-larger tracts of the countryside, according to data compiled by the Land Report, a magazine about land ownership in America.

In 2007, according to the Land Report, the nation’s 100 largest private landowners owned a combined 27 million acres of land — equivalent to the area of Maine and New Hampshire combined.

A decade later, the 100 largest landowners have holdings of 40.2 million acres, an increase of nearly 50 percent. Their holdings are equivalent in area to the entirety of New England, minus Vermont.”
Christopher Ingraham – Washington Post, 2017

80% of the people live on 3% of the land.

Ted Turner owns over 2 million acres. John Malone over 2 million. Stan Kroenke owns over a million and a half acres. The Hadley family, the Galt family, the Lee family…these are the owners of America’s land. Or Anne Marion who owns the 260,000 acre Four Sixes ranch in Texas. Or the Collier family, or the Barta family in Nebraska.

All own close to a million acres of land. There are essentially 75 families, maybe a few more, that own the vast majority of land in the U.S. Jeff Bezos owns half a million acres in Texas. The Irving family owns a huge percentage of Maine, or the Reeds, who own vast swaths of northern California and Oregon.

You and I own shit. We are the new serfs in the feudalism of advanced capital. So, why defend those who represent the ruling class?

The racial disparity in rural land ownership has deep historical roots based not just in chattel slavery, but in the post-slavery period as well. After emancipation, black farmers tended to be tenants of wealthy white landowners working for sub-poverty wages and doing mostly subsistence farming.

Average land ownership for black farmers peaked in 1910, according to the Agriculture Census, with about 16 to 19 acres. In contrast, black farmers owned just 1.5 million acres of arable land in 1997.

In many cases, the land African Americans lost over the 20th century was expropriated in one form or another and not sold freely. In the 2007 documentary, Banished, filmmaker Marco Williams describes numerous examples of white mobs forcing out African-American farmers and taking their land.

This outright stealing, intimidation, and violence had a devastating impact on black wealth ownership.
Antonio Moore (Inequality.org)

Just as white America feared black ownership of, well, anything, the white ruling class capitalists today fear the potential for a black planet. America has military bases in all the countries of Africa save one. France and Germany and the U.S. continue to recolonize Africa. And now, the U.S. is directing renewed attention to Latin America where they fear indigenous power and socialist movements.

The international financial institutions, all of them situated in Europe or the U.S., are the contemporary expression of colonialism, essentially. They discipline and punish the dark-skinned peoples of Africa, South and Central America, and many Pacific Islands. And in many cases, too, those countries formally part of the Soviet Union.

If you want to grasp the work of Cory Morningstar, this is not a bad place to start for now.

One cannot separate climate change from Imperialism. You cannot separate climate change from militarism. If change is going to try to correct global warming, or limit its impact (which honestly nobody knows) then one must learn to read how marketing works.

One must question anything applauded by the Royal families of Europe, of by billionaires in general. Those billionaires will not betray their class, rest assured. The billionaires and corporate interests behind Greta Thunberg are not looking to help the poor and working class, they are looking for massive land grabs and further raids on pensions, social security, and whats left of working class and socialist movements.

Maybe Proyect can connect the dots between the coup in Boliva, the opposition in Venezuela (that failed state per Sale) and the big money orchestrating the Thunberg phenomenon. The ruling class stick together.

*Conspiracy theory* used to be reserved for invisible helicopters and such, now its simply any class analysis. Anytime someone points out who is funding a project there are cries of *conspiracy theory*.

Why would any rational person look at the Greta phenomenon and not grasp that it is manufactured? There is a LOT of money behind this girl. But the non-profit industrial complex, the UN, the World Bank and IMF — they don’t do things altruistically. Capitalism is investment, not virtue. Capitalism created the crisis, it won’t solve it. Greta also retweeted the now sort of infamous Minh Ngo tweet that was part of the smear campaign against Morales. She is linked and backed, additionally, by Purpose and Avaaz — both of whom are connected to U.S. foreign policy in South America.

But Morningstar has the details here:

She also endorses and tweets support for Hong Kong colour revolution leader Joshua Wong (yet another U.S. asset). She is, as Club de Cordeliers put it (on twitter), ‘the ruling class poster girl’. And this is not even to get into her comments about holding disobedient leaders up against the wall. The infantilism of the western public is well prepared for child leaders. This is a canny gambit by the marketing apparatus and by all indications (and articles like Proyect’s) it is working to perfection.

Greta is not anti-capitalist. She may say a few things that suggest, vaguely, an anti-capitalist sensibility, but the reality (which is what Morningstar provides) is that she works for big money, corporations and FOR capitalism.

You know when Greta gave her last speech in the U.S. … at the UN in fact…(where she flubbed her lines, saying creative PR and clever accounting. It was meant to be creative accounting and clever PR…but learning lines is tough) she sailed back to Europe. The captain had been flown in to sail the yacht on its return voyage.

The whole thing is so ludicrous and idiotic that one really does wonder if the West is not in some trance state. The inability to read marketing as marketing is at this point inexcusable in someone self-identifying as a leftist.

The system sails along, like a billionaire’s yacht, increasing profit at the expense of the everyone not of the top 2 or 3%. Greta is a manufactured distraction, and all those protests that her campaign managed to generate are not to help stop war and exploitation. They are pretty much as meaningless as choosing to drive a Prius.

I will end with a quote from Cory Morningstar (from social media)….

You are about to get slammed by 2 globally orchestrated campaigns

1. #GlobalGreenNewDeal
2. #NewDealForNature & People

And when I say slammed – I mean slammed. Like a hammer over your head. Another campaign to assist both is #SuperYear2020.

Goal: obtaining the social license required to re-boot / save the failing global capitalist economy. To usher in an new unprecedented era of growth. The monetization of nature, global in scale (new/ emerging markets)(see past posts). That is, the corporate capture of nature. Those with money – will literally buy nature.

The pitch: The ruling class, corporations, capital finance – all those that have happily destroyed the planet in pursuit of relentless profit have learned their lesson.They have magically changed. Those that destroyed the biosphere will now save it. And save you. All they need is your consent. Forget that capitalism devours everything in it’s path. They can work around this inconvenient truth. But it’s going to take everyone. There are no class divisions, we are all in this “together”. Yesterday’s capitalists are today’s activists. Accept. Join hands.”

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Laurence Howell
Laurence Howell

Previously, I was of course referring to the Oregon Petition.

Debunking the corporate shills and trolls that infest all truthful attempts to bring a balanced view to Geo-Politics is not what I do. I do not need to, they debunk themselves with arguments that expose where their loyalties lie.

Having taken the time to read the comments in this article from people who, in the main, are searching for answers to the so called “global climate emergency”, many comments prove that the truth is alive and well and seeded throughout the Off Guardian readership.

I challenge anyone to engage me with any arguments, scientific or otherwise, that prove beyond a reasonable doubt that man made global warming, if it exists at all, is having a catastrophic effect on Earths Climate.

The peoples “right” to freedom of speech is under attack from all sides and specious arguments which rely on banning debate on a worldwide carbon tax because “the science is settled” is doomed to failure.
Saint Greta, the UN’s poster child, has galvanised a flagging scientific fraud by recruiting schoolchildren to play upon the uneducated minds of adults who should know better.

But most adults are not equipped to fight against hidden frauds, especially scientific frauds because we are all brought up to believe that scientists would never stoop so low as to commit a scientific fraud in the first place. How wrong we all were.

The two articles in the Off Guardian, “A look at 97.4 % of climate scientists” and the “Climate-gate emails” readily establish that scientists commit fraud and manipulate already selective data. We must be vigilant and challenge the curtailment of the peoples right “to freedom of speech” in all its guises. This is a battle that must be won or 1984 becomes the birthright of newborns today.

Laurence Howell
Laurence Howell

Perhaps ORAGE could try and understand the Milankovitch Cycles and the corrupted science revealed in the East Anglia University, Climate Units emails so generously hacked and posted on the net.

Please engage me with your science ORAGE, I have pointed you in the right direction with some of mine.

Laurence Howell
Laurence Howell

When constructing the unworkable and false mathematical models, the criteria used, disregarded the actions of the Sun and Water Vapour in the atmosphere. Are there any Guardian journalists that carry out their own research into the Climate Emergency Scam?

If so they will discover that over 30,000 scientists of which 8000 are PHDs have signed the Oregon letter decrying the debasement of science. This has seen schoolchildren being abused and becoming anxious at the hands of the paid for lackeys of Al Gore and George Soros and their Illuminati bosses. This Guardian newspaper is as corrupt and rotten to the core as the BBC and Monbiot a disgrace to the Journalistic profession

TFS
TFS

Surely, the Climate Change, Global Warming THINGY is the biggest challenge facing man, so why not choose something easier to tackle first?

I suggest making the UN, ICC and the like do their jobs and tackle the war machine, a far simpler task.

Or Greta, here’s a far simpler task. Get the EU to stop moving buildings every month, or move the UN into one of them, away from the cancer that is SpartUSA.

Carola Polakov
Carola Polakov

FACTS: As the planet warms and forests and jungles worldwide are being cut and burned, there is increasingly less CO2 consumed thus less oxygen released. The warming of the oceans is a verifiable reality and extreme weather the consequence.
Environmental movements are not excluding the poisoning of the planet. Indigenous people all over the world who are at the forefront of the battle to protect their lands against corporations deforestation, mining, spilling and dumping wastes, are allied with Greta.
The largest corporations in the world are the fossil fuel industries and they are at the forefront of the campaign to kill the messenger as a distraction from the message, as does this article which does not even mention the realities of what is happening to the planet.
That there may be other corporations that will capitalise on the worldwide alarm regarding the obvious results of the Climate Emergency, rising seas, droughts, floods, famine, wars, diseases, plagues and climate refugees may not be a bad thing. The demands of a more aware public may inspire them to participate in a more sustainable or at the very least, a less damaging economy utilising the many technical advances in sustainable agriculture, construction, industry etc.

Admin1
Admin

Could you link to a source for the currently warming oceans?

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

You could consult the science and observations, now couldn’t you. Googling one immediately gets Scientific American quoting ‘numerous studies’ from the Argo program that since 2000 has measured oceanic salinity and temperatures down to 2000 metres. Try starting there.

Orage
Orage

Hang on a minute. Is the author denying that there is a man made climate crisis or is he merely stating that it is real but that the capitalists have highjacked this to produce an agenda to beat us with?
These are important differences. When I first read the article I thought it was the later but reading the comments which are mainly denialism, and their upvotes, I wonder.
Nobody denies that in 2007 the world economy tanked but mostly we thought they way it was handled stank and the perpetrators of the fraud where bailed out at our expense. This is how I know see man-made climate change, not to deny it’s existence, but to find an answer that does not reward its perpetrators. Denying the science behind the climate change will only help marginalising the ostriches with their head in the sand.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

You’re new around here, aren’t you.

Orage
Orage

I have frequented the site before but only started to comment recently. It is a shame that there are many here who don’t seem to understand what science is.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

‘Science’ is what I say it is-the Dunning-Kruger credo.

Orage
Orage

Richard
I blame it all on Google. People now think they become instant experts by googling something. Google can’t teach interpretation, lateral thinking or substitute for experience.

TFS
TFS

Science behind Climate change?

Now I’m a bit fuzzy on this, but about 10yrs ago the UN used a piece of science to support man-made climate change. The data supporting the UN assertion was not provided so another scientist challenged the scientist making the claim, for access to this data.

The case, I believe has been rolling on for 10yrs in the Canadian courts, which I believe found that the data should be released.

You have to ask why the UN has suppressed the data up until this point. It off itself does not mean there isn’t a link, just that this particular bit of science is junk. I only say it’s junk, because I see no other possible reason/justification for it being withheld.

Orage
Orage

Indeed you are fuzzy and you do not provide a link or actual reference. Things have moved on in the last ten years. Apart from the clear evidence of climate change (whether cyclical or man made) that abounds, which I hope you do not contest, but do tell me if you do.
The scientific publications show overwhelmingly that the cause of the climate change is human activity related to burning fossil fuels, very few publications show the opposite or conclude that there is no evidence for this. Most governments in the world believe in this and have taken measures, except for the unscientific Trump and a few others.

TFS
TFS

Here you go:

https://www.wnd.com/2019/08/court-rules-against-hockey-stick-climate-change-graf-creator/

I notice you similarly fail to list the scientific publications supporting the link. I would have suspected by now, people making this claim, showing link, would have to hand the sum total of supporting evidence, maybe a page on the UN website?

I do not contest the fact that their is a link, because I have not availed myself of the literature, so will not take it as fact by someone else stating it. As for scientific publications, they have a long history of truth, haven’t they?

My take, so far. Mans doing a fine and dandy job of making in unhabitable for ourselves. I can see that with my own eyes. I see it every day I find myself in a Supermarket.

Orage
Orage

I shall give you the benefit of the doubt and try to answer your claims. My first comment is this: you quote as your source the WorldNetDaily. This is a right wing publications and here is what Wikipedia says about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily
I do accept that Wikipedia can be susceptible to bias but we are also here not starting with a scientific publication, but a report of a court case that was dismissed because of delay. Here is what Michael E Mann, the scientist whose case was dismissed has to say
https://community.oilprice.com/topic/7448-supreme-court-of-bc-dismisses-dr-michael-mann’s-defamation-lawsuit-vs-canadian-climate-skeptic-dr-tim-ball/
So this was a court case in the District of Columbia, not by any means a major scientific institution that was producing a legal verdict, not a scientific one and therefore is of no relevance here.
Now as to evidence, apparently 97% of all climate change papers claim that the current global warming is related to human activity and only 3% say the opposite. These three percent, analysed by a panel of experts, showed that these three percent quite often have methodological errors and are flawed:
https://qz.com/1069298/the-3-of-scientific-papers-that-deny-climate-change-are-all-flawed/
There is a consensus built around what is called the Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change IPCC and here is their report of 2014
if you have a few minutes to spare then please read this summary:
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/AR5_SYR_FINAL_SPM.pdf
Thank you.

Orage
Orage

I wonder why this comment was premoderated or is it me who is premoderated?

Orage
Orage

Yes we know what the problem is but what exactly is the solution? Any suggestions? Global revolution? Is that going to happen anytime soon, like before the icecaps melt?

paul
paul

You can find all these millennial apocalyptic death cults throughout the ages.
They were previously of a religious character, with emphasis on dates like 1000 or 1500.
In 2000 we had an updated example in Y2K, and there is a long list of similar fantasies and delusions.
They seem to be common to all cultures. The Aztecs professed similar end times delusions.
The Vikings had their Ragnarok when the gods would go down fighting against the forces of evil.
The current Global Warming version is a hangover from mainstream religions, which all talk of a deity violently bringing an end to this system of things to usher in a new golden era.
You used to see men with sandwich boards at football grounds proclaiming that the end was nigh.
People seem to be predisposed or pre programmed to swallow this garbage, like the Reverend Jim Jones or the Waco Death Cult.
But they no longer believe in hell fire, so the fire and brimstone have been replaced by CO2.
Though in some cases UFOs and extra terrestrials have filled the same function.
As endorsed by “all the scientists.”
“All the scientists” previously confidently announced that we were on the verge of a new Ice Age.
You would have to fight off marauding polar bears and packs of wolves whenever you went out to post a letter. We might just be able to stave off disaster for a few years longer by dumping millions of tons of black soot on the polar ice caps to warm them up a bit.
But everything now is down to Global Warming, whether it’s drought or floods or heatwaves or blizzards.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Well, if you perturb the global climate by causing energy to accumulate in the Earth system by pumping heat-trapping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, then you are going to cause climate and weather anomalies. It is pretty well inescapable. And they are accumulating after all. And there never was a time when ‘all the scientists’ predicted a looming Ice Age. That is simply not true.

breweriana
breweriana

Even Exxon concluded in the 1950’s that the burning of fossil fuels would cause the Earth to heat up.
Your mistake is that you do not seem to understand that it is not the current CO2 from plants, humans, animals etc. causing the problem, because it is simply recycled back into the Earth’s system, as it always has been. The Earths system was in perfect balance.
The problem is the millions of tons of pre-historic CO2 being released from burning fossil fuels by man – CO2 captured from sunlight that last hit planet Earth millions of years ago – and nature cannot keep up with the new rate of re-cycling needed to trap this rush, hence the increase in CO2 levels.
Should be common-sense, really.

Mucho
Mucho

CO2 is plant food, a fudamental aspect of the process of photosynthesis, whereby plants consume CO2, water and sunlight in order to release oxygen, which we inhale and which is essential for our existence. This is a God created, synergistic, pefect relationship. All mammals exhale CO2 when they breathe, and the plants eat it. Beautiful.

The global warming/climate change hoax is yet another chapter in a long line of Satanic Inversions of reality, where those who control our world, who are verifiably evil, are completely and utterly fucking with our heads, in part, for their own amusement. They are laughing at us, rolling on the floor, pissing themselves while millions and billions of people run around in a state of hysteria over a carefully manufactured lie.

Planet poisoning, caused entirely by the big corporations and the military, is the real issue. The amount of carnage these entitites have inflicted upon the world is nothing shy of breathtaking. Greta’s job, who obviously means well, in her innocence, is to divert attention away from the real problem of planet poisoning, by propogating the Satanic inverted reality hoax for her backers by claiming that CO2, which is in fact essential for all existence, is killing the world. It isn’t. They are lying. Again. Wake up!

Mucho
Mucho

Hard evidence for the ongoing programme of miltary/corporate weather manipulation. This is a must watch, easily a best in field documentary.

FRANKENSKIES

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The point is that you can have too much CO2 as it will cause a planetary energy imbalance by trapping re-radiated heat that would otherwise escape into space. And the rate at which CO2 accumulates in the atmosphere, along with the other greenhouse gases like methane, nitrous oxide etc, is crucial. The current forcing of greenhouse gases from c. 280 ppm to 415ppm and 490 ppm CO2 equivalent, is the most marked and most rapid (c.200 years) for hundreds of millions of years, and, just as science predicted, it has fatally destabilised the planetary climate. It’s just basic science, reinforced by evidence from reality.

Corbett Fan
Corbett Fan

You’re misusing terminologies in an attempt to sound as if you understand the science when all you really understand is the media scare articles you have consumed and believe.

“The current forcing of greenhouse gases” is science gobbldygook. ‘Forcing’ in climate science means ‘influencing the climate’s behaviour.’ Greenhouse gases are theorised to be one set of forcers. They may ‘force’ the climate. But they themselves are not ‘forced.’ You are totally misusing the word because you don’t understand the science and are trying to affect an understanding you don’t have. You are being dishonest. Please stop pretending you are su fair with the science when you are not.

FYI – current CO2 levels are totally unremarkable and much lower than in many times in the geological past. Neither can the speed of increase be compared with any other period of increase since the ice cores and other proxies simply can’t provide that kind of detail. It’s just guesswork and inference.

‘Science’ as a monolith doesn’t predict anything about CO2 and the climate. Some Scientists believe the hypothesis that CO2 causes global warming. They currently get all the funding and media attention. Other scientists are less convinced or even completely sceptical. Since you get your information from mainstream media you will not hear about these other than as ‘deniers’ whose opinions and data are auto-deplatformed.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The forcing is of the climate system, through increased CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions, which disturb the heat balance of the Earth system by trapping re-radiated heat that would otherwise escape into space. My usage is fine. The scientists who affirm the current validity of the anthropogenic climate destabilisation theory are the majority of scientists, generally, and nearly all ie c.99% of actively publishing climate scientists. The moneys they receive are called salaries and research grants, and no-one gets rich on those, unlike the tiny coterie of denialists, gifted hundreds of thousands by the climate change denial industry.

Berlin beerman
Berlin beerman

When Miss. Thunberg mentions and perhaps discusses the counter effects of global dimming on global warming and the ice formations in the antarctic and how these effects factor into the global climate discussion,

it may rouse my attention.

In the meantime …..

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Global dimming is a vital component of the problem. When and if global particulate smogs are reduced, we will see that another degree or two Celsius is baked into the system.

Berlin beerman
Berlin beerman

Your correct.

Is CO2 the only issue? No, there are a few others that are equally if not more important but I guess they are more complicated to be explained (and taxed) to the mass populace by a sweet young person (girl).

So Greta gets involved to break the news ….. governments are listening now Greta.

The solution – Governments will impose a carbon tax as a solution to a small part of the problem – if one actually exists.

How this solves the issue of corporate environmental rape ? Ask Greta to explain it. Unfortunately she knows little if nothing. But the world is listening, Greta.

The key problem here is when corporations thorough governmental occupation latch onto a young persons desire to make a difference and twist it into farcical theatre. The outcomes are predictable. Idiots begin to call Greta a tool – and perhaps she is – while others ( the same ones that drive their kids to school in SUV’s) suddenly awake to the notion of accepting more taxes to save their little darlings from extinction. The winner is the corporation, not the environment.

To date we have been given a few models that appear to be flawed if compared to actual conditions. How these models fare with the effects of global dimming ? Worthy of serious discussions I think.

Lets ask Greta.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Fixing the anthropogenic climate destabilisation cataclysm before it renders the Earth uninhabitable for our species is a vital first step to ecological repair and sustainability. That there are many other ecological crises caused by elite greed is no reason to ignore the worst. I rather hope Thunberg will say something about the others. If she does not, the suspicion that she is ‘controlled opposition’ and a ‘limited hangout’ will surely grow.

Berlin beerman
Berlin beerman

So give me your thoughts on the fix.

Carbon tax on those who drive their kids to school in SUV’s will be used for what exactly?

Those who walk or cycle to work and own no cars will be rebated I suppose if the theory holds.

Then Governments will use the carbon tax to do what exactly ?

Offset variable mathematics to make corporations look better…. no this is no fix its another waste of time.

Useless models forced to make a point. No I am still not interested.

Electric cars, ugly wind turbines, outdated solar tech – still not interested.

Start discussing Hydrogen fuel and H extractors for use in individual dwellings and offsetting reliance on taxed based electrification energy that is needed to prop up failing government spending – dictated by corporate agendas – then perhaps I will start to listen.

Perhaps Greta is trying to say this but I fear not as I think your anthropogenic climate cataclysm has more to do with idiots living on our planet than anything else.

Merry Christmas all the same – talk soon.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

If I ruled the world every day would be the first day of spring, and I’d totally decarbonise as fast as possible. Carbon pricing is a ‘Market’ solution, so is just another scam to be exploited and rorted by the parasites. I would do taxes, but all the money would be hypothecated to decarbonisation, ecological repair and reimbursements to much of the population, the ‘tax and dividend’ idea.
I would electrify everything, have efficiency greatly improve, do something about the albedo flip in the Arctic (what I have to idea), institute a fully circular economy that recycles everything possible, reforest, with forests not plantations, every possible part of the planet, find some means to draw CO2 down from the atmosphere and sequester it for the long-term combined with rocks or in the deep seas, have roofs, roads etc, made more reflective to increase planetary albedo, hopefully safely, and destroy Market Fundamentalist capitalism, seize the ill-gotten fortunes of the billionaires, close all tax havens, and redistribute wealth to the real ‘wealth producers’ the working people of the world. I would also encourage veganism and vegetarianism, outlaw feedlots and other barbarous animal raising practises, encourage organic agriculture and regenerative grazing for intractable carnivores, and end the agri-chemical Holocaust. Then, after lunch….

Brian Steere

Confucius was asked what he would do if in the reigns of power – real power – not the wishful fantasy.
“I would redeem the dictionary” he said (in his own tongue).
I wonder how many here would appreciate why he gave the power of the word the foundation from which all else follows?

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

As the sage observed, ‘A wassail bowl is not a wassail bowl’.

Orage
Orage

I would vote for you. But look what happened to Corbyn with a much less ambitious agenda.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Well, I’d fight the ‘antisemite’ smearing for a start, and not stab comrades like Williamson and Livingstone in the back, for starters.

starac
starac

Reasonable discussion.
However, still not the solution, still wiggle in the mud.
Stop the money being the reason for living.
Stop growth.
Stop breeding.
Stop interfering in other tribes territories.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate

There aren’t many days that pass where I fail to experience the narcissistic thirst of some vampirish ego or other, one who’s opinions are founded on nothing more than a sick self bent image of reality, it’s the land of trumpet heads, where partiality is hallowed ground, why so ?…because its a snug and comfortable fit for their mental mirror box of inflated tricks, so try all you like to exchange views, crack the cloudy seeing glass – and gain some visibility – but unless your as equally disposed, it’s pointless, – as they’ll only deflect you into their own deformed reflection, then return it to you in some jibbering disarrangement, far far away from the one you conveyd….whats worse is, I find that that these irritating fantisizers, have more often than not, qualified into positions of power , and actually hold sway over others !….Now that, never ceases to amaze. So what have we become, how did we develop into such downtrodden apple-polishers, who so readily accept contamination from these ignorant, self-serving, duplicitous scum.

to whoever runs this place, those that take time to write (and respond)…Thanks. Enjoy the season, it’s Sun rise, Son rise or whatever rise yours.

Richard Wicks
Richard Wicks

Greta Thunberg. The kid that rocketed to stardom in less than a year, yeah – seems legit to me..

She’s a media creation, PR. Somebody is bankrolling her. I really had to laugh when she told the UN they were a bunch of do nothing hypocrites in here little speech and then watch them applaud “yeah, she’s right! We are a bunch of hypocritical scumbags that express values we don’t actually hold!” (applause).

If I was in front of the UN and called them a bunch of corrupt warmongers on the take, and they are, I wouldn’t get out without being tasered at the minimum.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz

Richard – as their surveillance technology advances their hope is that one day they’ll be able to taser you for justing – “thinking about” – calling them corrupt warmongers.

Richard Wicks
Richard Wicks

The point I was just making is that the idiots that UN demonstrated that Thunberg is a PR plant by applauding her for stating they haven’t done anything in the decades that they’ve warning catastrophe is imminent.

They are jokes. You can lie for a decade, maybe 2, maybe 3, but 4 – that’s getting long in the tooth of keeping the lie going.

The real threat is peak oil/fossil fuels – that

    WILL

happen. Not certain when, but it may already have. Fossil fuels aren’t a threat to our environment, but imagine all petrochemicals being in scarcity, and being 5 times more expensive tomorrow. That’s a threat to our society, and it’s inevitable.

I don’t think the buffoons that are supposedly our “representatives” even know the “global warming” is a lie – I think it’s a cover for the end of extractable oil resources – because eventually, that’s going to happen and they’re just told to talk about “global warming” because the end of the planet is something scarier than the end of modernity.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz

Richard – I’ll have to respectfully disagree regarding your position on climate change Richard. Having lived in the arctic and now in southern California, as well as having read widely the emerging science over many years, in the end I’ll trust my own eyes over anything else. The underground ice houses that kept whale and seal meat intact for as far back as we can trace Inupiat tribal culture in Alaska are melting, filling with water and ceasing to preserve meat, and this is occurring in “real-time,” not geologic time over thousands or hundreds of thousands of years.

Only ten short years ago I lived with Inupiat people in Barrow, Alaska who at that time could still store their food in these underground ice cellars dug into the permafrost. These same ice cellars are now failing rapidly, the meat spoiling and an entire way of life is in danger because you don’t just put the literally tons whale meat that was to feed an entire village into the modern chest freezer on the porch.

Should, as seems inevitable, the methane in the arctic become released due to the rapid melting of the permafrost it will no longer matter what either you or I “think” about any of this Richard.

I certainly don’t trust the mega-capitalist forces behind the promotion of young Greta. I don’t trust their motive, intentions or planned “solutions.” Nor do I expect them to do anything meaningful to stop decimating our planet with poisons quite separate from the fossil fuel issue. However, that doesn’t mean I doubt we are in the midst of a human caused planetary catastrophe that is unfolding in real time.

Richard Wicks
Richard Wicks

Well where I grew up there was plenty of snow in winter so we went skiing every weekend up until the early 1980’s and then it disappeared mostly and was sporadic until 2000. Plenty of it now.

You talk about permafrost, do they not know how to dig deeper?

The short of this is, that even if global warming is a problem, a life threatening problem to Earth, NOTHING WILL BE DONE. The government proposes a carbon tax – how does that fix anything? How is that supposed to address it, at all?

What’s the heat retention of CO2 versus nitrogen? How much better of an insulator is CO2 over Nitrogen, Oxygen, Water Vapor – etc? Why isn’t that known? Easy enough to measure. Seems like this would be a basic thing to measure.

For me, it’s that I’ve caught climate change “scientists” LYING a lot. Lying and lying and lying – for decades. They’ve cried wolf too many times. The government offers no actual solution but it’s another opportunity for a tax to go to god knows what, certainly not the repair of lead pipes in Flint Michigan..

We may be facing a real serious problem, and in fact, we certainly are. Fossil fuels are a non renewable resource. They will be depleted. There’s your actual emergency. At some point, it will take more energy to extract fossil fuels than you get by burning it. When we hit this point, our modern society ends.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

It is known. You list a series of plain wrong assertions of scientific ignorance, but every one is long established science. And what LYING are you slanderously asserting? Give us just ONE concrete example, please. And your demand that the Inupiat just dig deeper into the permafrost is typical of the denialists lack of human compassion, but it is a nearly entirely Rightist phenomenon, so that comes as no surprise.

Admin1
Admin

FYI we try to discourage the use of propaganda terms such as ‘denialist’ and ‘conspiracy theorist’, because they have been deliberately inserted into the popular mind to close down debate & use programming to render certain POVs unacceptable without analysis.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

What do you call someone who denies settled science and the reality of climate and weather destabilisation, for no other reason than ignorance, paranoia and ideological fanaticism, then? Why is a supposedly ‘Leftist’ site such a refuge for fanatic devotees of an irrational Rightwing cult?

Richard Wicks
Richard Wicks

It is known. You list a series of plain wrong assertions of scientific ignorance, but every one is long established science.

List each assertion I’ve made, and demonstrate that each on is long established science.

And what LYING are you slanderously asserting? Give us just ONE concrete example, please.

That CO2 has a longer heat retention than nitrogen which makes up 75% of the air. In other words, that it’s a superior insulator to NO2.

There, you have a concrete example, it’s testable in a laboratory, it’s simple to invalidate or to validate.

Richard Wicks
Richard Wicks

Oops, I mean N2. Not NO2 – that belongs almost exclusively in beer. We can measure insulation properties, and we already know that CO2 has less heat retention than N2 and I’ve never heard an explanation of what carbon dioxide is a “greenhouse gas”, when nitrogen is demonstrable worse.

Our media and governments lie to us all the time and sometimes, it is professionally dangerous to explain to the commoner how they do. I know we don’t have freedom of speech, and when you dare to express it our “news” certainly won’t repeat it.

Again, I’m absolutely no scientist, but I know how to test the proposed phenomenon.

I’ll be blunt – fuck the liars that pervert reality. You can’t test everything for certain but if a politician is making the claim, assume they are lying.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

‘I’m absolutely no scientist..’. The beginning of wisdom. If N was a greater greenhouse gas than CO2, a proposition so fantastical that I sense we are approaching Peak Denialist Lunacy, the Earth would be like Venus.

Richard Wicks
Richard Wicks

Here’s something really simple.

Find out what the heat retention of Co2 and N2 is. Go ahead, should be easy to find that, it’s just measuring their insulating properties.

Notice nobody has actually published this anywhere.

It’s a very simple measurement to make. The reason there’s such a lack of information on this subject, and it’s so vague, is because it’s BULLSHIT. They are lying. When you try to nail them down to something that actually is testable and is verifiable, they squirm away from it.

norman wisdom
norman wisdom

gretna greena

fashion and religious ikon indeed indeed

hair by harmony hair spray ozone depleter xtra hold
boy blood and urea make up by maria abrahamovich @ house of epstein inc.
xxx tra small Schutzstaffel ss shirt buy hugo boss
virgin kinder chabad jacket by branson by branson island corpse inc
gender fluid trans medication by bill and melinda gate keeper eugenicks foundation

soul sole property of satan ltd all rights reversed

nottheonly1
nottheonly1

…gender fluid trans medication…

Why ruin a good comment by laying blame on those who are abused in their condition and because of their condition. Why is that an issue? 800 billion for war is not reallt that important. But people with differing gender experiences are connected to these pathetic psychopaths that use a community of human beings that are ready to be gassed in the ovens. Not the rich asswipes.

You may consider the intend by the owners to rile up the masses against anybody that is ‘Transgender’. While there is no problem with ‘Transparent’, the childless gender adjuster/ess does not receive that nod.

Gender and anything that has to do with it need to be retired. It is time to move on and first get all the other costly shit in order before inciting hate against Trans/Gender/People. As it looks, the Trans- haters have their priorities ludicrously backwards.

We (human kine) need to focus on military spending and wasting before anything else. Wasting precious resources for the benefit of a few.

Transgender People deserve the same respect than anybody else. At least.

norman wisdom
norman wisdom

because greta greena is a boy
dear boy
a very naughty one
the worst possible
a male actor from a sick satanick acting dynasty

as for gender fluidity just another zio communist project

John Manning
John Manning

There is another dot to connect in Greta’s story. When considering why the world of billionaires has taken an interest in climate change consider the two areas of the world that are still commons. That is not property which can be owned. They are international waters and the atmosphere.

There are already people arguing that the only way to protect the atmosphere is to remove it from the commons and make it a property. This argument uses the libertarian capitalist principle that people will only care for what is theirs. Those promoting this idea say it does not matter who owns the atmosphere just as long as it is private property. That is as good as saying they intend it to be owned by the few which will not include you or I.

At first you may think the proposal is ludicrous. However we have already moved in that direction. The Kyoto climate agreement made atmospheric carbon a property which could be bought and sold. With the principle in place it only needs extending.

So imagine your future when it requires a payment to enjoy the opportunity to breath.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

That the ruling global parasites are seeking to profit from the climate destabilisation disaster does not change the science.

iskratov
iskratov

How did capital come about historically? From work, the bourgeois respond ideologically. Marx unmasks the “bourgeois tale” and highlights the true origin of capital, which “comes to the world dripping blood and dirt from head to toe, from every pore”. In fact, far from being born from work, capital is the result of bloody expropriations.

Richard Ong
Richard Ong

Hyperbole alert! Defcon III.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Iskratov is correct. The six million slaves murdered by the Spanish in mining the silver of Potosi, which provided a great deal of the capital that launched capitalism in Europe, is a pretty bloody Holocaust if you ask me. One of very many.

John Doran
John Doran
John Doran
John Doran

that’s desire-to-rule

JD.

John Doran
John Doran

From my viewpoint we no longer live under a capitalist society: it’s morphed into an insidious form of Fascism. When our spineless politicians declared the banks “too big to fail” that threw capitalism out the window.
The Fascism becomes more obvious each day.
We have a gigantic liar, war criminal & mass murderer, the Stony Bliar, walking free & advising on govt & elections. We have a man who helped reveal war crimes, Julian Assange, banged up in Belmarsh high security, being tortured to death.

Looking back in history, reading Matt Ridley’s The Rational Optimist, for example, it is great to see the progress Mankind has made in metrics such as longevity & prosperity since coal power & the steam engine unlocked the Industrial Revolution. Life expectancy has doubled since 1900, for example.
It is difficult to see industry & fossil fuels as anything but great boons for mankind. Points that are very ably, calmly & logically made by Alex Epstein in his book, The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels.
These points of view are, of course, demonised by the 1%s owned, fake news MSM.

Also demonised is safe & clean nuclear power, another path of progress for Mankind.
Our fake news MSM scream NUCLEAR DISASTER at us every chance they get.
The facts are that there were zero radiation fatalities at Three Mile Island, one radiation fatality at Fukushima & we would need a Chernobyl each & every day to equal the fatalities & health costs imposed by coal power. There are costs to progress, but we are steered away from progress by the 1%s & their MSM, in pursuit of their 3 agendas: Depopulation, De-industrialisation & a World Totalitarian Govt.

Nuclear PhD engineer Robert Zubrin, lays this out clearly in his 2013 book: Merchants of Despair.
Written for the layman, it’s a real eye-opener.

JD.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Is your description of nuclear power as ‘clean and safe’ meant to be a parody of the Panglossian optimism of the ‘The Market is God’ crowd? Fossil fuels proved useful, but the deadly legacy of their polluting side-effects, primarily greenhouse gases, has been well-known for decades, and will now undo all the benefits bestowed, and much more besides and no quantity of denialism will stop that process.

Richard Wicks
Richard Wicks

Greenhouse gasses, like CO2? The entire climate change nonsense is just that, and I was a big believer in it starting when I was 15 years old, 30 years ago.

I’m an electrical engineer now, I have a computer that is fully capable of simulating a Cray supercomputer from 1993, but you know what I don’t have? A climate change model. I also have never seen any prediction made by this model turn out to be correct, despite alarmist cries (which I truly believed in) for 30 years. The arctic was supposed to be ice free, the end of snow predicted in the UK, LA and NYC under water by 2000. The polar bears are dying off.

I’m not scientist, but I understand the scientific method. A scientific theory takes into account all hypothesis both correct and incorrect, and explains them all. If a theory can’t make any useful predictions, you either have a very flawed theory that needs a lot of work to fix it, our your model is entirely wrong.

CO2 isn’t a greenhouse gas. This is easy to verify – if it was, it should have longer heat retention than the other gasses in the atmosphere. How does it compare against nitrogen, oxygen, and water vapor? That’s the vast majority of our atmosphere. Guess which one of those gasses does have long heat retention? Water vapor by FAR.

It really has become a religion, a religion I believed in for 30 years. 10 years ago, if I was reading what I’m writing now, I would think I was reading the rantings of a crazy person. I still have some level of gullibility and belief in argument by authority back them. It seems totally nuts you can get so many scientists to stay mum on the subject, but it’s been done.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Extraordinary. So ALL the Academies of Science and scientific societies on Earth, 99% of actively researching climate scientists, the IPCC, WMO, NASA etc are all either fools, complete idiots, or engaged in a gigantic conspiracy to some strange end, that nobody has revealed, save in paranoid declarations, sans facts, sans evidence sans a single scintilla of proof.

Richard Wicks
Richard Wicks

99% is a myth. I have actually looked up the names of “scientists” listed, and they aren’t scientists at least half the time or they are in the soft sciences the other 1/2 of the time.

They aren’t fools. They are liars. They are propagandists.

You don’t believe a gigantic conspiracy could possibly exist. Find that weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq yet? The OPCW just had to admit that they have no evidence that Assad gassed his own people. Find that Russian Collusion yet? They happen all the time. Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, right?

Governments, and their toadies, lie all the time. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin that never happened?

I am an engineer, certainly not a scientist, but I have more than enough education to understand what a scientific theory is. Where’s the model I can test, and I can duplicate? To my right, I literally (and I mean literally as in literally) have a machine that can simulate a Cray supercomputer from 1993 and run faster than the original machine did. It’s 30 cm away. Where’s the model? Why isn’t the model available?

This is junk science and in 15, 20, 30 years, whatever, you’ll realize it was too because there will be NOTHING DONE to stop “climate change”. The most you will see, is a tax. I’ve had this threat hanging over my head for 1/2 my life, only to realize it’s a bold faced lie.

It’s nothing more than an excuse to tax people for simply being alive.

CO2 has less energy retention than water vapor does. Water vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas today. Sulfur dioxide is worse, but that is a poison.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The three examples of conspiracies you list are all cases where the evidence that the ‘official version’ is garbage is and was copious. It was just that the MSM hid it all from the plebs. With climate science there is no evidence of the massive conspiracy, surely the greatest ever in scope, save laughable inventions by the denialist industry, like ‘Climategate’. Red meat only for the true disbelievers.

Richard Wicks
Richard Wicks

It was just that the MSM hid it all from the plebs.

With all due respect, it’s the MSM that has convinced you that global warming is going to kill us all in 12 years.

With climate science there is no evidence of the massive conspiracy,

In 12 years, marvel that you are alive when nothing has been done to curb CO2 emissions. Again. I’ve gone through it 3 times.

You believe “99% of scientists” – that is your dishonest “news” media.

Now: don’t get me wrong, I was tricked too. No shame in being wrong, and you are wrong, just as I was 20 years ago. I’d be on your side of this argument back in 2005.

The reason none of the predictions are correct, is that it’s simply a lie. I know it’s hard to imagine your news media would lie to you this blatantly, because you know it’s science and therefore it will ultimately be proven or dis-proven and it will destroy the credibility of our “news” if it turns out they are lying.

Well, they are lying, and they have no credibility. This was a kamikaze mission for them.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The MSM is not monolithic. Here in Australia the Murdoch cancer and ‘business’ rags like the Fin Review remain denialist, pro-fossil fuels, viciously anti-Greenies etc, and in places dementedly so. The rest of the MSM remains ‘even-handed’ giving air time to denialist loons, although less so than before. The public is far ahead in recognising the undeniable. However all still downplay the gravity of the situation.
The ‘We’ll all be dead in twelve years’ scam was part idiocy, part misrepresentation by the denial industry. It was, if I recall correctly, a prediction that our fate would be sealed in twelve years, because the process of climate destabilisation would be irreversible, even if we totally decarbonised overnight. That’s wrong, but only because we have already reached that situation and there’s no need to wait for 2030.
As for water vapour, it is far more prevalent in the atmosphere, but its residence time before precipitating out is very short compared to CO2. And increasing global average temperatures lead to increased atmospheric water vapour levels at about 7-8% for one degree Celsius increase, a positive feedback seen in the increasing derangement of the hydrological cycle. as seen in increasing floods, deluges and droughts etc.

Richard Wicks
Richard Wicks

Haha, believe what you like, It’s not my lifelong work to deprogram you. You’ll see for yourself in time.

Your government and your “news” media lies to you constantly. It will just take time for you to realize that, and again, there is no shame in being fooled. I said previously I was. I wasn’t fooled because I was stupid, I was fooled because I didn’t recognize our “news” media as what it actually is – propaganda.

We are all victims of disinformation. I just have the ability in this area to recognize these lies. You do as well but it may take longer for you. I cannot get a model for climate change although I’ve really worked to get it, this is because there is no actual model. It’s really a bold faced lie, and you will know this in another decade or so.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Richard, if I may be so bold-your reply seems not connected to my observations at all.

Richard Wicks
Richard Wicks

I don’t care about your observations. They are anecdotal.

With all due respect, every scientific theory MUST have a model to accompany it. There are models for evolution (and we use them all the time to make everything from self driving vehicles to optical character recognition systems, to chip routing algorithms), there’s a model for gravity, there’s a model for magnetism, there’s a model for electricity, transistors, for fluids, everything.

The purpose of a model is so you can make accurate predictions. With a good model, we can design using the model to come pretty close to an expected result. Everything that an engineer uses is bases on models to make everything and look at what we have today – you can talk to me clear on the other side of the planet and at practically no cost because of models of light through single model fiber optic cables.

There is no model that comes CLOSE to making accurate predictions in Global Climate Change, the model cannot be reviewed – the NOAA has had to be sued to get original data before, and they’ve been caught falsifying past data.

We do face a very serious problem of resource depletion. If you know anybody that works in the oil business surveying land to find deposits, you know this is a real problem. Should we run out of classical petroleum energy, our society is doomed without an energy replacement.

And it indeed looks like we’re facing that. Solar might be a viable alternative, even with it’s energy inefficiency – because a solar cell will (over its lifetime) produce more energy than it takes to make the cell. Wind turbines are about break even, ethanol requires more energy than it ultimately produces, shale is in the same category. Nuclear is certainly viable HOWEVER, just like solar, it requires storage because you can’t just turn on a nuclear power plant or turn it off on a time.

It seems to me that some idiots decided it was easier to lie about global climate change to get people to reduce energy consumption, than it was to explain the planet is going to eventually run out of non renewable resources. I have no idea why they believe it’s easier to tell a lie, than to tell the truth. This is the crisis our civilization will eventually face.

Compounded upon that is that we have really stupid governments and corrupt officials that will take advantage of the crisis, and turn it into an opportunity – for them. Take Solyndra for example – ever see their solar cell idea? That was a complete scam. Meanwhile, the likes of Stirling Energy Systems was left to die and that produced energy that was cheaper than natural gas.

Corbett Fan
Corbett Fan

None of those authorities you cite have claimed the apocalyptic version of catastrophic climate change you read in the popular media.

The strongest statement yet made by the IPCC et al is that human activity is ‘likely’ to be responsible for ‘some’ recent warming. And even this is a fudge.

But don’t take my word for it, go and read the actual reports issued by these people.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Of course the IPCC and its ‘Reports’ are rubbish. It has been plain that they have seriously understated the extent and rapidity of climate destabilisation for at least twenty years. Apparently the Reports require ‘consensus’, as do the COP conventions, so must be dumbed-down and minimalised to meet with approval from hard Right, fascistic and religious fanatic rogue regimes like the USA, Saudi Arabia and Australia.

kevin morris
kevin morris

Yes . Well done. You’ve finally got it!

John Doran
John Doran

Three cheers for John Steppling: an article with real breadth & depth.

He has seen through the man-made climate fraud & rightly called out Saint Greta for the billionaire manufactured creature she is. I have an autistic grandson & feel sorry for poor Greta: she has surely been brainwashed by her odious family et al into the climate cult.

The cult is totally anti-science: it violates the second law of thermodynamics.
A cooler body cannot warm a warmer body. It’s a fraud.
A great little book for the layman, by climatologist Dr. Tim Ball:
Human Caused Global Warming The Biggest Deception In History
Only 121 pages reveals all: the science & scandals, the politics & profiteers.
Dr. Tim names the Bankster Rockefellers & multi-billionaire cronies George Soros, Ted Turner, Maurice Strong & others as the chief pushers of this fraud.
He identifies their 3 main motives: Depopulation, De-industrialisation & a Totalitarian World Govt.
The depopulation will be as much as 95% if freakos like Ted Turner prevail.
For plotters & motives click on Quotes:
http://www.c3headlines.com

Dr. Tim has won 2 important court cases against these frauds, one vs Andrew Weaver, & one vs Mikey “Hockey Stick” Mann.

John Doran.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig

Excellent posts and links, John. Thank you! And have a Merry Christmas.

John Doran
John Doran

@Seamus Padraig,
thank you & have a mighty fine Christmas yourself.
JD.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

How can ALL the Academies of Science and scientific societies and 99% of actively researching climate scientists not understand thermodynamics, but you do?

Corbett Fan
Corbett Fan

You’re simply reciting a popular lie. The ‘consensus’ story is media propaganda.

There is a rough ‘consensus’ among climate scientists on the very very broad concept that manmade CO2 may be a factor in recent warming in the northern hemisphere.

There is no consensus about the extent of this potential forcing, whether it’s minor or major, no consensus about the likely extent of future warming it may produce (if any), and very little agreement on the matter of climate catastrophe.

This is the reality behind the scare headlines and bogus ‘97%’ figure. So strange that sites such as this and journalists such as Cory Morningstar, that question every other aspect of the media narrative still completely accept the media narrative of AGW.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

No-there is very broad and deep consensus among climate scientists. The very few deniers among them are mostly on the denial industry payroll, directly or indirectly, some alumni of the tobacco harm denial industry, and the remainder are mostly Rightwing zealots. Denialism is the quintessential Rightwing project.

Corbett Fan
Corbett Fan

That is just not true. Read the literature rather than the lying corporate media version.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

I don’t read the corporate media for facts, and, in any case, the corporate media, particularly the Murdoch cancer but others as well, not just here in Australia, are the leading lights of denialism.

chris
chris

Methane in the Arctic and Positive feedback loops not mentioned.
Your Remarks about big money is behind Greta is wrong.
I expected more from off guardian.
We are not impressed.
have a nice day yourself.

Corbett Fan
Corbett Fan

If you can provide ONE solid scientific source for ONE piece of solid real world evidence that positive feedback loops have EVER existed in real world climate cycles I for one will be happy to debate that data with you.

Big Money isn’t behind Greta? So Amazon, Google, Facebook and BMW didn’t fund and promote Climate Strike then? Funny I thought they did.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The science regarding ‘hot-house Earth’ mass extinctions like the End Permian ‘Great Dying’, where an initial greenhouse gas forcing eg the eruption of the Siberian Traps igniting great beds of coal, then causes an initial warming, which causes the release of methane from frozen clathrates, and we’re off to the races, is pretty well established. Try reading the literature explaining that process.

Corbett Fan
Corbett Fan

None of that is ‘pretty well established’. It’s a hypothesis based on computer models built by people assuming the hypothesis is correct. If a positive feedback loop had occurred in the past the Earth would have continued to warm and warm and warm. It didn’t. In fact it cooled again and warmed again and cooled again in cycles we can clearly observe if not explain. The entirety of physical evidence shows the Earth maintains checks and balances and nothing indicates the probability or even possibility of positive feedback loops.

If you claim the contrary please indicate the physical evidence for such a loop in the geological record. You won’t, of course, because there is none.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

There is very much more than computer modelling involved in the hot-house Earth hypothesis. Most of the evidence is geological, and paleontological from the signs of great basaltic eruptions, study of isotopes in rocks from the time, and the fossil, evidence of the extinction, during the End Permian, of 95% of aquatic and 90% of terrestrial genera.

Corbett Fan
Corbett Fan

If you understood the science you’d know none of those things you cite are in any way evidence of positive feedback loops and have never been claimed to be.

John Doran
John Doran

@ mr sarc,

utter tosh, as is all you write.
The geological evidence proves that CO2 has NEVER EVER been a main climate driver.
A great book by geology Prof Ian Plimer:
HEAVEN AND EARTH Global Warming: The Missing Science
500+ pages, 2,000+ ref’s to peer-reviewed papers etc & well indexed.

While you seem incapable of producing a single reference to back your waffle.

You do, however, seem to manage to stretch the 97% consensus lies to 99%.
Where does the extra 2% come from? Your delusions?
Dr. Tim Ball, as I ref’d above, in his book calls out 2 of the main frauds guilty of the 97% consensus lies: Naomi Oreskes & John Cook, the crook who runs skepticalscience.
If Dr. Tim were wrong these clowns would sue him in an instant.

A graph showing, over geological timescales of 600 million years, CO2, Carbon Dioxide, plant food, has had zero correlation with global average temperatures, which have NEVER shown a runaway warming.
In global tropical periods temps have not gone above 22DegC, while ice ages have not gone below minus 12 DegC. NO MATTER THE LEVEL OF CO2.
http://www.edberry.com/SiteDocs/2010/10/EarthHistory1.jpg

I am delighted to see you being decisively downvoted here: people are waking up to the warming/climate fraud.

JD.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Ian Plimer!! The rogue geologist with extensive interests in fossil fuel businesses? The embarrassment of all who have crossed his path. The fellow is a standing joke. I recommend the Skeptical Science review of Plimer’s most recent tome, if you have a few hours to peruse Plimer’s scores of misrepresentations, distortions and outright idiocies. The man is a renegade even among geologists, the last scientific specialisation to come on board (no doubt due to financial conflicts of interest)with the theory.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1

We are not impressed.

Who is “We”, if I may ask?

Gwyn
Gwyn

It might be the royal ”we.” If so, we are honoured!

If anyone needs me, I’ll be tugging my forelock as hard as I possibly can…

norman wisdom
norman wisdom

hey chris close the door on the way out
it is bloody cold in hear with all that global warmings
un alls

who owns the carbon fiber graphene ship that greta sails ?
maybe the same family that own the economist perhaps
my life already

Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob

For what’s its worth, I’ve started buying solar panel cells via a company called The Sun Exchange, who then install them for South African communities. I use bitcoin to pay for them and they pay me back in bitcoin. It’s not a huge return or anything but I hope this sort of direct action is a way we can start investing in actual, tangible things and services for people rather than paying straight to the fucks at the top.