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Boris Johnson – Did the UK get what it deserves?

Andre Vltchek

For in a democracy, every citizen, regardless of his interest in politics, “hold office”; every one of us is in a position of responsibility; and, in the final analysis, the kind of government we get depends upon how we fulfill those responsibilities. We, the people, are the boss, and we will get the kind of political leadership, be it good or bad, that we demand and deserve.
JFK

I constantly receive such letters; letters which repeat, again and again, year after year, basically the same thing: “If only we would have an opportunity to vote out our damn system!”

Such letters, emails and messages keep coming to me from the United States, but also from the United Kingdom. Particularly, after certain events, like when the Western empire overthrows some progressive government in Asia, Latin America or the Middle East.

I honestly wonder: “Don’t my readers actually periodically have that proverbial opportunity they are longing for? They can, can’t they, install socialism; to let it storm into Downing Street like an early spring?”

But they keep missing that opportunity, again and again. Or, are they really missing it? Actually, for so many years they have voted in the most extreme forms of capitalism and imperialism, so one has to wonder whether the British voters perhaps truly deserve their rulers?

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The results of the British elections became so radical, so conservative, that even the most conformist British press, like The Economist, doesn’t appear to be able to stomach them, anymore.

Of course, I am being sarcastic, because precisely that the mainstream press is one of the main reasons, why the British electorates vote as they do.

But seriously, could anyone in his or her sane state of mind vote for BoJo?

Just put Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn next to each other, and listen to each of them for ten minutes, and it would appear that anyone who would vote for the leader of the Conservative Party should be ripe for the mental asylum.

Unless… Unless!

Yes, precisely: Unless he or she actually openly or secretly longs for those neo-liberal, deeply conservative “values”, which were introduced to the “Western world” by Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, after some wild and extremist theories that were floated behind the walls of the Chicago School of Economics by market fundamentalists such as Friedman and Von Hayek. And after entire nations, such as Indonesia and Chile (both of them now lying in ruins), were raped, tied up and then used as guinea pigs.

Unless the British voters really admire Western imperialism, and that notorious, legendary, sadistic hand of the English teacher holding a ruler over the fingers of a petrified pupil, roaring threateningly: “Shall I?” Unless they truly like this kind of arrangement of the world.

I often wonder: What if they do? Perhaps they do. They most likely do, at least many of them. The voters, I mean…

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For years and decades, many thinkers, writers and left-leaning intellectuals are, for some abstract reasons, convinced, that the great majority of Europeans are tricked or coerced into supporting that beastly, insane foreign policy of the United States.

They think that “were Europe to be truly free”, it would embark on a socialist path, as it tried, but was prevented from doing, right after WWII.

I never bought into that argument. Socialist, even Communist European euphoria lasted for only a few years. What followed was the abandoning almost all values and ideals for a series of orgies: food orgies, sex orgies, sports orgies, pop crap culture orgies, and finally the empty travel orgies.

Europe is living beyond its means, and is planning to do so, for decades to come. It cannot survive, and it doesn’t want to live without the brutal plunder of the world, or read, without the “conservative neo-liberal regime”.

These days, most of the Europeans support its brutal and unruly offspring, on the other side the Atlantic. Such support guarantees that the complexes of superiority will be pampered, that the working hours will stay short (at the expense of those ‘un-people’ in all corners of the globe), food cheap, and porn and sports free or almost free of charge (at least on television and computer screens).

So, basically, we are talking a clear status quo, which in turn is almost synonymous with the “conservative values”.

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The Economist went mental, commenting on the elections in its leading story “Britain’s nightmare before Christmas”. And that was even before the results were announced.

Predictably, it trashed Mr. Corbyn and his “bankrupt views” (among them his refusal to antagonize, loot and provoke Venezuela, Iran and Russia), but then it went after BoJo’s throat:

Brexit is not the only problem with Mr. Johnson’s new-look Tories. He has purged moderates and accelerated the shift from an economically and socially liberal party into an economically interventionist and culturally conservative one. Angling for working-class, Leave-voting seats in the north, he has proposed extra state aid, buy-British government procurement and a sketchy tax-and-spending plan that does not add up. Also, he has absorbed the fatal lesson of the Brexit campaign: that there is no penalty for lying or breaking the rules. He promised not to suspend Parliament, then did: he promised not to extend the Brexit talks, then did. This chicanery corrodes trust in democracy… For all these reasons this newspaper cannot support the Conservatives.”

How truly heartbreaking!

Deep drift inside the conservative world?

Not really. Boris Johnson simply broke some rules. He showed himself as unreliable, vulgar and embarrassing. He did it all in public. These things are never forbidden, at least not in the U.K. Racism, even sexual crimes, are fine there, as long as they are kept behind closed doors.

Well-camouflaged lies are perfectly fine, too, no matter which party leaders utter them, be it Thatcher or Blair.

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But back to voting and the British nation.

To simplify everything: Jeremy Corbyn is a decent man. Not perfect, but decent. It is obvious. He is a person who cares about his fellow citizens. He also cares about those billions, in all corners of the Earth, who have been robbed and brutalized by the Western empire (of which the U.K. is, undeniably, an indispensable part).

Look at Boris Johnson and you get the opposite. And it is not a state secret. I have many friends in the U.K., and a great majority would confirm that he is an upsetting buffoon, if not something much more terrible.

Mr. Corbyn is true Labour. He is trying to reverse what all of us know is taking place: that the U.K. has sunk so low, and many of its children are literally starving. Its social system has collapsed under the right-wing (in the past, both Conservative and “New Labor”) governments. That British citizens cannot afford to live in their own cities, anymore. That both education and medical care, as well as infrastructure, are crumbling, in fact going to the dogs.

He wants to stop the despicable suffering of the millions of victims of the Western reign, in all parts of the Earth.

Of course, these facts would never appear in the pages of The Economist.

Boris Johnson does not give a flying fuck about the issues mentioned above. He is on the stage. Since his youth, he has always been playing and acting, as well as self-promoting. He is perhaps the most embarrassing figure in British politics.

And yet… And yet. Perhaps Corbyn’s humanism is his biggest weakness. At least in Europe, particularly in the U.K.

As The New York Times reported:

As votes were counted on Friday, the Conservatives were projected to win 364 seats in the House of Commons, versus 203 for the Labor Party, according to the BBC, with almost all of Parliament’s seats decided. That would give the Conservatives about a 75-seat majority, their largest since that amassed by Margaret Thatcher in 1987.”

That is clear message where the public stands, isn’t it?

Of course, I know that soon, my friends and comrades will begin to read into the outcome of the elections: that only a fraction of the population voted. That people were confused. That the mass media manipulated the entire narrative. And many arguments of this nature.

And I am sure that they will be correct.

However, the United Kingdom voted, and these are terribly, outrageous results.

People voted for the most extreme, shameless type of neo-liberalism. They voted for a brigand type of imperialism, neo-colonialism and racism.

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My personal observations do not matter, but I’d like to add them, nevertheless.

I come to London at least twice a year. Almost all my visits are work, or “struggle-related”. I am interviewed there, I show my films, promote my books, or speak at the universities.

I used to enjoy my visits. But not anymore.

There is terrible tension in the air. People have become impolite, even aggressive.

As a Russian, I am constantly challenged. Even my very slight accent provokes immediate questions “where am I from?” When I reply, what follows are often direct provocations.

My Chinese friends report much graver abuses.

London is not at peace with itself, that is certain.

I have written about Brexit on several occasions, and as a matter of principle, I refuse to do it in this essay.

Lately, everything is being explained and justified by Brexit.

I don’t believe that it could be. Doing so is a gross simplification.

Perhaps the West is truly an anti-socialist, anti-Communist entity. Perhaps that is why it keeps overthrowing left-wing governments, all over the world. Perhaps that is why it keeps voting in the most unsavory individuals one could imagine.

Perhaps the U.K. deserves the rulers it gets.

There is one little nuance which is being constantly overlooked: the U.K. is not really against Labour. Remember Tony Blair, a closet Thatcherite, and a man who served as an advisor to the murderous Paul Kagame, President of Rwanda, responsible for millions of lost lives in the Democratic Republic of Congo? Blair is also a man responsible for hundreds of thousands of the lost human lives in the Middle East. Remember? Well, he was so-called “New Labour”. But that was obviously just fine, as far as the British voters were concerned.

And there is one more ‘little nuance’ worth mentioning: almost the entire Europe is moving to the right; towards the racist, self-serving right. And it is not only Europe which wants to stay in the EU, or Europe which desires to leave the bloc. Both parts are heading in a similar direction.

Perhaps, after all, the voters deserve their leaders!

Right-wing “leaders” are thriving. While rationality, decency and kindness are kicking the bucket in agony.

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First published by NEO – New Eastern Outlook – a journal of the Russian Academy of Sciences

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paul
paul
Jan 2, 2020 4:00 PM

This site is knackered again.
It’s completely f****ed.

Maria
Maria
Jan 1, 2020 2:47 AM

The Tory landslide was a great relief to the majority of the country The amount of money Corbyn was going to borrow was eyewateringly scary We have hopefully unentwined ourselves from the shackles of the EU and stopped the rot before it’s too late and Boris was the man for the job whether we like him or not Being in a Socialist Britain under a Marxist Corbyn goevernment and a member of the EU Superstate would have been too much to bare and thank goodness it never materialized The British people stood up for their sovereignity and freedom and I hope we will be a beacon of light for other Nations that have gone astray like Sweden

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 1, 2020 7:09 AM
Reply to  Maria

Such delicious idiocy. I am so looking forward to Little Britain and all the Diminutive Britons getting their long, long, overdue comeuppance, if only for the looting of India, Africa and China under the Empire. Sweden is hard Right, too, long gone from socialism, but your type don’t do facts, do you.

Maria
Maria
Jan 1, 2020 9:31 AM

Happy New Year and I know it’s painful for you disillusioned lefties Nationalists in Sweden are now challenging the liberals as it becomes apparent that multi culturalism doesn’t work Check out Sanity4Sweden on you tube

paul
paul
Jan 2, 2020 3:19 PM
Reply to  Maria

Yes, but think of all the cultural enrichment, M.
Well worth a welfare bill of E40 billion and a bit of mass rape and beheading.
You have to weigh up all the pros and cons.

Maria
Maria
Jan 2, 2020 11:50 PM
Reply to  paul

Just a pipedream now thank goodness The British people weighed it up and obviously didn’t have the stomach for it

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 4, 2020 5:59 AM
Reply to  Maria

The racists, xenophobes, imbeciles, greed-heads and all-round ignoramuses among the English people, don’t you mean?

Maria
Maria
Jan 4, 2020 8:55 AM

You sound like Hilary Clinton Trust the satanic, paedophile psychopaths who want to rule us and feel bad about yourself for wanting freedom, sovereignty and preservation of our culture

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 4, 2020 5:58 AM
Reply to  paul

Dear me-the Islamophobe racists getting together. You’ll need a room, soon.

Maria
Maria
Jan 4, 2020 9:00 AM

Cancers need to be removed Mohammad was a false prophet and so therefore should not be a significant part of our culture Check out Apostate Prophet videos on you tube

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 4, 2020 5:57 AM
Reply to  Maria

Gee-you’re a racist, too. Who would have thought it?

Maria
Maria
Jan 4, 2020 9:03 AM

Accusing anyone who disagrees with you as being a racist is becoming a joke A tool to control the narrative and making people scared to speak out

paul
paul
Jan 2, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  Maria

Heil Boris! Heil Boris!! Heil “I Am A Fervent Zionist” Boris!!!
Get your Bullingdon Club badges here!

Maria
Maria
Jan 2, 2020 11:56 PM
Reply to  paul

He is also anti Russian, pro gmo’s and pro White Helmets and doesn’t seem to be doing much for Julian Assange However voting for Corbyn wasn’t an option as far as I was concerned The Russiagate and the “Russian threat” narrative I hope will become more reasonable and we will regard Russia as a trading partner rather than a nuke target

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 4, 2020 6:01 AM
Reply to  Maria

Corbyn is one of the finest people in the Westminster sewer, a life-long anti-racist and humanitarian. I can see why you found him unpalatable.

Maria
Maria
Jan 4, 2020 9:09 AM

Yes and he watches the Queen’s speech in the morning , changes lifelong voting habits and would not be a safe pair of hands to be in charge of the economy Asked where he would get billions from that hadn’t been mentioned in the manifesto and he says government reserves That’s why people are afraid of him being in power it would be the same old story of the Tories having to sort out the mess in 5 years time

Anthony Matthews
Anthony Matthews
Feb 10, 2020 10:37 PM
Reply to  Maria

Like most of what you say that’s rubbish, Maria. Since 1955, when they were first measured, there have been 14 recessions and contractions (by year or quarter) and 10 of them occurred under Tory governments. How about you let that sink in?

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 4, 2020 9:44 AM
Reply to  Maria

And that glorious beacon of light is already shining Maria. With the continuing collapse of those nasty evil Marxist public services and the growth of those wondrously liberating zero hour gig economy jobs, the British people are finally getting rid of all that Satanic health so that through the divine hallucination of starvation and disease they can now see the glowing backside of their creator shitting out his marvellous uplifting turds of freedom on them. My disabled son is also feeling the magnificent effects of this calling from above and is on the verge of jumping out of his wheelchair. Halleluiah! Give it another two weeks and we’ll all be ‘Mericans!

Maria
Maria
Jan 4, 2020 11:34 AM
Reply to  George Mc

It wasn’t all Labour’s fault for the recession back in 2008 but a global financial crisis but I think Blair/Brown’s policies like deregulation of banks probably didn’t help They left us in 2010 broke and handed the country over to the Tories to sort it out So what do you do Borrowing more is out of the question Having to cut public spending and trying to redress the situation was the only option on the table Even so we are still heading for a £ trillion national debt which is increasing by £5107 per second Anyone can see that Corbyn’s economic plans of borrowing billions more would end in disaster where the poor and disabled would be worse off because of an economy on life support

Maria
Maria
Jan 4, 2020 11:36 AM
Reply to  Maria

That’s £3 trillion Check out the national debt clock

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 4, 2020 3:50 PM
Reply to  Maria

And how interesting that you bring up that bank bailout. That bailout was a fascinating giveaway. Even capitalist apologists have admitted that it went against capitalist ideology. And that little aberration is an interesting insight into what happens when the capitalist system fails the “wrong ones” i.e. that they will do anything necessary to bail themselves out.

Now even assuming that all your other remarks are – ahem! – consistent with the capitalist mantra, it is interesting what this all really means to the vast majority. And it clearly means sinking into a horror from which they will not emerge. The question as to “who is to blame” will of course be referred to the capitalist economists who will generate the noises needed to justify whoever benefits.

But the fact that the banks HAD to be bailed out is evidence that the system doesn’t work according to its own principles. It is a rigged game. And so all the reasonable sounding rhetoric about “what must be done”, “what is on the table”, “the only option” etc. is just a pack of lies.

Maria
Maria
Jan 4, 2020 5:01 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I’ve just got a book which looks into “the toxic internal culture and the ‘light touch’ regulatory regime that gave rise to RBS/NatWest’s near collapse” It’s called Shredded by Ian Fraser Looks like a fascinating read of about 600 pages

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 4, 2020 3:33 PM
Reply to  Maria

“It wasn’t all Labour’s fault for the recession back in 2008 but a global financial crisis but I think Blair/Brown’s policies like deregulation of banks probably didn’t help They left us in 2010 broke and handed the country over to the Tories to sort it out”

Labour = Tories ever since Blair got in. (Thatcher herself said so.) The dual party model has been an illusion ever since. The oddity of Corbyn is that he was the first Labour leader in 40 years that actually represented Old Labour. Clearly that was not going to happen. Think of him as a brief hiccup from the 70s that was quickly dealt with.

“So what do you do Borrowing more is out of the question”

It’s very interesting to talk about what is “out of the question”. It should have been “out of the question” for those banks to make off with 3 trillion of OUR money. They didn’t think at all about just making off with it.

“Having to cut public spending and trying to redress the situation was the only option on the table”

It’s another interesting question to muse on what is “the only option on the table”. How about getting those banks to pay back? How about cutting the obscene amounts getting piled into “defense” i.e. developing ways of killing increasingly large numbers of people? How about more tax on the equally obscene amounts raked in by the rich? How about scrapping the surveillance systems? How about scrapping the endless amounts churned out on media propaganda? How about refusing to wipe royal arses?

“Even so we are still heading for a £ trillion national debt which is increasing by £5107 per second”

Well precisely. It is clear that this is a rigged game that “we” i.e. the real we cannot possibly win.

“Anyone can see that Corbyn’s economic plans of borrowing billions more would end in disaster where the poor and disabled would be worse off because of an economy on life support”

It is becoming increasingly apparent that the poor and disabled are doomed anyway, that the whole intention of the one-party neoliberal order was to wreck the public services and send us back to the days of untrammelled capitalism i.e. the Dickensian working conditions. Capitalism “with a friendly face” is no longer “viable” i.e. it cannot continue to offer any concessions at all to the vast majority of the population.

But in the meantime “we” will scratch our heads and tug our hair over what “we” can do, about what is “sustainable”, “efficient”, “affordable” and all those other magic expressions of capitalist necromancy.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 4, 2020 3:34 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Sorry – my block quoting seems to have gone awry there. I hope it’s clear what I meant.

Maria
Maria
Jan 4, 2020 5:21 PM
Reply to  George Mc

At least you were aware of the facility unlike me lol

Maria
Maria
Jan 4, 2020 5:08 PM
Reply to  George Mc

There were defence cuts along with everything else When the higher earners decide they are being taxed too much they go off abroad like The Rolling Stones did in the 70’s Trouble with that is the tax revenue dwindles and there are problems financing the Socialist state

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 4, 2020 8:25 PM
Reply to  Maria

There is no socialist state. The state is there to protect capitalism. And the capitalist system is facing a transformation through which neither the UK nor the US will be able to offer the concessions that we have enjoyed up till now i.e. the services necessary to an actual civilised nation are no longer congruent with the profit maximisation needed by capital.

We always hear about how various services are “unaffordable” and these are inevitably services for healthcare, education etc. We never hear about other “services” like defense, financing royal and sporting events – and of course bailing out banks. For the latter services, there is always enough money.

Maria
Maria
Jan 5, 2020 12:19 AM
Reply to  George Mc

No there isn’t a Socialist state because labour lost the election As I have already mentioned we will have to wait and see how the next 5 years pans out with the extra money that has been allocated to health care and education As I said before there have been cuts in Defence to the extent that some people thought they were trying to make us so run down militarily with the effect of us wanting to stay in the EU Might be something in it I don’t know but May made considerable moves to keep us in a military unification with them and that was after the referendum hence the name Treason Mayhem There was no choice but to bail out the banks because like the note the Tories got when they came into power in 2010 that there was no money, we would have found the same thing when we stuck our cards into the holes in the wall I agree about the Royals The cost of their weddings etc is obscene The world government they want to bring in will be Socialist and there will indeed be changes but the elites will still enjoy their lavish lifestyles It’ll just be us that are poorer

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 5, 2020 9:11 AM
Reply to  Maria

“No there isn’t a Socialist state because labour lost the election”

Seriously? It’s as simple as that? “Labour” = Socialist? Umm…I’m just going to go away now (after I can find my jaw) ….

Maria
Maria
Jan 5, 2020 11:10 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Perhaps Corbynism = Socialism would be more accurate

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 5, 2020 2:22 PM
Reply to  Maria

Yes “Corbynism” would be the definition of Socialism as it existed under old i.e. real Labour. But that chapter has clearly come to an end. As I said above, Corbyn was an unexpected blimp on the radar of mainstream politics which has been pretty monolithic since Blair came along at the helm of something called “New Labour”. The concessions that marked the old “collective bargaining” model are no longer “feasible” under the neoliberal paradigm. Thatcher is the one usually blamed for this – but it goes back before her. Jim Callaghan had already told the TUC that “the party is over”. (Looking back now – it seems he meant the “party” in more ways than one!)

Maria
Maria
Jan 6, 2020 9:09 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I suppose it’s all about balance and not going too far one way or another Extinction Rebellion went too far when that guy protested on the tube train which was the means in which people got to work Disrupters and rent a mob had to go and somehow or other we went from being the sick man of Europe to 5th largest economy in the world

Maria
Maria
Jan 6, 2020 11:22 AM
Reply to  George Mc

George Galloway talks to an American journalist on how he sees the political situation and how the parties seem to have swapped places or as he puts it indulged in cross dressing https://youtu.be/hsRlUSKup98

Maria
Maria
Jan 4, 2020 5:20 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Socialists like there surveillance systems too as we remember from the Soviet era It’s not just the government though is it It’s the deep state that is always there and I think it’s interesting to see what Dominic Cummings’s plan is to reform the Civil Service We do understand that our politicians are really just puppets which became very clear with the Maybot I think Jeremy is a puppet as well and George Galloway has done a good video on where he went wrong

Maria
Maria
Jan 4, 2020 5:39 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Well in 5 years time we will know how it went I see Sir Keir Starmer is in the running for PM He’s a member of the Trilateral Commission A tentacle of the world government agenda

Anthony Matthews
Anthony Matthews
Feb 10, 2020 10:47 PM
Reply to  Maria

It’s nice that you’re so concerned about the poor and the disabled, Maria. Even if it does tend to run counter to what’s actually happening under the Tories. The British Medical Journal has associated the deaths of 120,000 vulnerable people with Tory austerity policies since 2010. No doubt it’s gone up a bit since then though. Happy days, eh?

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 1, 2020 12:41 AM

Oh it’s New Year and we don’t want to be negative …however, I just caught a bit of a Scottish comedy show called “Only An Excuse” in which we get swipes at Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn. We get both mocked – so it’s “balanced”. However BJ gets the cliched “he’s so stupid!” sneer while we hear that JC is probably not suitable for Bar Mitzvahs. Which is more damaging? And so the Labour/anti-Semitism is once again displayed as part of the “media furniture”, a blandly presupposed “fact” which “everyone knows”.

No – this is not an example of a conspiracy that everyone is “in on”. But it does show the effects of a belligerently co-ordinated smear campaign and of how its effects have become absorbed into the general media landscape. This is how Corbyn will be remembered – by the representational grid of the media.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 1, 2020 7:12 AM
Reply to  George Mc

The fraudulent ‘antisemitism’ slur is being universalised as a weapon, for the Right, to be used against the Left. And if the Left all prove as spineless as Corbyn, they will be destroyed, because these creatures are ruthless, relentless and driven by the real ‘Oldest Hatred’, that of Judaism for those not of their ilk.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 1, 2020 9:20 AM

The anti-Semitism slur will be compulsively trotted out because the Nazi/Holocaust/Genocide of Jews has been the most powerful Pavlovian response grid known for the past …well, forever as far as present generations are concerned – or, at least my generation and adjacent ones (I was born in ’61). But the whole instant nerve response network no longer works as well. Of course that won’t stop the media from using it. They have little else.

I also caught an old episode of Have I Got News For You where somebody had the audacity to question Corbyn’s designated “anti-Semitism” when the host suggested that all you had to do to find out “it was all true” was to post that suggestion on Twitter i.e. post the suggestion on the medium where the hacks can control it so well.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 1, 2020 9:22 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Sorry typed too quickly there. The last paragraph would hve made more sense like this:

I also caught an old episode of Have I Got News For You where somebody had the audacity to question Corbyn’s designated “anti-Semitism” when the host suggested that all you had to do to find out “it was all true” was to post that query on Twitter i.e. post the query on the medium where the hacks can control it so well.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 4, 2020 6:04 AM
Reply to  George Mc

The odd thing is that using the Nazi Judeocide to justify Israel’s crimes against humanity is, in fact, an insult to the memory of the Jewish victims of the Nazis. And note, too, that EVERY other genocide and massacre in history, many greater in number than that of the Jews, are almost totally ignored, but the Judeocide has been made into a compulsory cult, in accord with Jewish narcissism and self-obsession, that MUST be copied, unquestioningly, or you are an damned, eternally, ‘antisemite’.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Dec 31, 2019 10:03 PM

Mr VlTchek

This election was about Brexit, pure and simple.

Jeremy Corbyn was an EU leaver, but he was hamstrung by a party obsessed with Remain, so had to find a compromise. The UK public would not wear it.

There is nothing stopping a socialist government in the next election, if Brexit is achieved. A socialist government cannot exist in the EU, as state subsidies are illegal, as is nationalisation 9although state-owned Franco/German companies can be ‘privatised tender submitters’ in the Wonderland called UK public procurement. Explain that to no nonsense Yanks…….

There are a lot of moaners claiming we are about to become a colony of the US. I do not think we will: there is no majority wanting a sell-out trade deal and plenty of people wanting Britain to stand on their own two feet.

Boris is actually a very bad liar, so he will not last very long if he tries it on. He is tasked with Brexit and doing global trade deals, not with joining NAFTA, which was not an election issue and for which he has no mandate whatever. There is very, very strong resistance to letting chlorinated chickens come over here and we have a very great contempt for certain US agricultural practices. We do not want trade deals lowering our standards where food is concerned.

The biggest danger is actually asslicking Israel. Israel is an utter irrelevance and so are loud-mouthed London Jews, including the execrable Chief Rabbi, who think they are intrinsic to UK survival. Most of us would use a more robust version of ‘Pack your bags and go, then!’ if they start playing politics again trying to claim they are victims of antisemitism. They are shysters on the make and on the take and no-one is remotely taken in by all the media lying. But MPs are biddable and corrupt and too many by half have been on expenses paid trips to Israel for reasons having nothing to do with representing their constituents. They need stringing up about abuse of privilege……..

You also need to be aware, Mr Vltchek that the Labour Party is capable of transmogrifying at pretty short notice into a trumped up version of New Liebour. There has been fervent plotting and attempted coups on a regular basis the past four years and nobody wants the Campbell-Blair axis within 100 miles of Downing Street. They were the PFI calamity architects, being so ignorant they could not see American shysters picking them off. The NHS funding crisis is primarily down to Blair and PFI. Asshole….

The problem the British people have is that the last Parliament was treasonous vis a vis Brexit so the GE was to create a mandate to push it through. The difficulty is that a GE is not a repeat referendum, there is loads of other stuff slipped in under the radar.

Far better to have burned down the Palace of Westminster with 400 corrupt MPs inside it.

But we do not do things like that here. We accept far greater levels of imperfection to maintain vestiges of decorum you know.

We are appalling democrats in Foreign Policy, but sometimes we are anally retentive in letting MPs get away with murder domestically in order to maintain our democratic sensibilities.

paul
paul
Jan 2, 2020 4:34 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I’m glad we’re spending £7,000 million or so to do up the House of Commons.
Those selfless MPs do so much for us.
It’s the least we can do.

kevin morris
kevin morris
Dec 31, 2019 11:37 AM

If Jeremy Corbyn- a thoroughly decent man as you say- had followed his own political inclinations and supported Brexit, if his party hadn’t doggedly defeated every attempt by Theresa May to get her Brexit bill through parliament, there would have been no general election and it’s possible that Corbyn’s Labour Party would have defeated the Conservatives in a 2022 election.

The majority voted in 2016 to come out of Europe and were angry at the way their decision was being downplayed. Speaking personally, on several occasions, I found myself reminding angry fellow Brexiteers that it was the Labour Left that had spoken most eloquently of the dangers of being in the then Common Market in 1975. I reminded them too that through almost his entire parliamentary career, Jeremy Corbyn had spoken eloquently against Europe, but it was to no avail.

The people knew they had lost their birthright by Britain being a member of a political state that is undemocratic and an economic basket case. They had every right to fear that their plainly expressed wishes were going to be swept under the carpet by an unholy alliance of socialists, liberals and Scottish nationalists. Frankly, they had been humiliated on almost a daily basis in our news media and in parliament and they felt they only had one option, which was to vote in the man who said he would take us out of Europe.

Like it or not, and clearly, most Off Grauniad readers don’t, our recent general election was a supreme example of democracy in action and there really is little point snivelling now about the result.

andyoldlabour
andyoldlabour
Dec 31, 2019 1:18 PM
Reply to  kevin morris

Great post Kevin, which sums up entirely what I feel about politics over the past three years.
People tend to forget, that back in 2014 both Labour and Conservative MEP’s voted against Jean Claude Juncker becoming President of the EU Commission, stating that him becoming leader would make it harder to redform the EU. We have never had any influence in the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/09/labour-opposes-jean-claude-juncker-european-commission-president

kevin morris
kevin morris
Dec 31, 2019 3:59 PM
Reply to  andyoldlabour

Thanks, Andy. Despite everything, I do have a great deal of sympathy for Jeremy Corbyn, who remains a thoroughly decent guy, and who sadly believed that if he propitiated the parliamentary party, they would back him. They clearly had no intention, believing that at least, losing the election would free them of Corbyn as leader. It was they too who orchestrated a good deal of the nastiness that was aimed at Corbyn by the news media, and it was clear too that they cared not a jot for the likes of you and me.

Perhaps the saddest thing about the whole story is that they were warned again and again, but the Party showed utter contempt for the views of their own supporters in Brexit constituencies. They hadn’t the gumption to realise that the people would punish them for the three years of parliamentary sclerosis. Nor do they realise now that having stuck the boot in on Corbyn, blaming him alone for their collapse at the polls, nothing will change.

No, Labour will learn nothing from the harsh lessons of December 12th and I fear that the Party will be out of government for a long, long time.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Jan 1, 2020 2:18 AM
Reply to  kevin morris

Indeed, Kevin. Regardless of where you stand on Brexit, the electoral arithmetic was always clear: 65 per cent of Labour-held seats in the old parliament voted ‘leave’ and 80 per cent of the seats it needed to win voted ‘leave’. The overwhelming majority of seats Labour lost on 12 December voted leave.

Despite these plain facts, the Blairites and some ‘socialists’ are – for very different reasons – in denial about the effect that the party’s Brexit U-turn had on the result. Blairites like John McTernan who rail against Corbyn and blame him for the defeat insult our intelligence.

I’m prepared to cut Jezza a lot of slack: the job of opposition leader is hard enough, even when you don’t have disloyal scum in your own parliamentary party.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 1, 2020 7:19 AM

McTernan turned up here in Australia, like a turd washed ashore by an ill-wind, to ‘advise’ our Blairite (before Blair) Labor Party. He was instantly recognisable as a complete (series of expletives deleted).

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Jan 1, 2020 7:39 AM

McTernan was also communications director for Julia Gillard when she was PM. I wonder if he was the one who advised her to cut benefits for single parents.

Note he is a welcome and too-frequent ‘guest’ of the breakfast programme on the Corbyn-hating ABC Radio National (most recently after the GE, when he ranted against Corbyn, claiming he selected all the parliamentary candidates, etc). Defenders of the Labour leadership are NEVER guests of RN.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 4, 2020 6:06 AM

The Australian Labor Party is so effed it is quite funny. Since the Hawke/Keating sell-out to neo-liberalism, the ALP has stood for nothing.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Jan 4, 2020 7:06 AM

Yes, but ALP apologists argue that no matter how many times the ALP lets you down, if you’re ‘progressive’ you must vote for them because there is ‘no other group that could ever form a non-conservative government’.

The old ‘lesser evil’ approach: a dead-end in the US and Australia.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 1, 2020 7:17 AM
Reply to  kevin morris

The fate of Corbyn proves the bleedin’ obvious-that a decent, honest, humane person has no place in UK politics. The onrush to self-destruction has just been accelerated.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 1, 2020 7:15 AM
Reply to  kevin morris

The Blairites in the PLP cunningly used Brexit to destroy Corbyn. What he could have done with a PLP full of Blairite Quislings is beyond me.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Jan 1, 2020 7:51 AM

That has been Corbyn’s major problem all along and it would only have got worse had Labour won the election.

The malign influence of Blair and his ‘ism’ may have damaged the party in perpetuity. He apparently told the BBC that unless the party moved away from the ‘extreme left’, it would be destroyed. Doubt whether he (or the BBC) mentioned that under the Blair-Brown gov, Labour lost 5 million votes and half its membership.

davemass
davemass
Dec 31, 2019 4:20 AM

Thatcher was the biggest populist to be elected, with her
council-house giveaway at knock-down prices. To make Tory voters from the tenants.
Better to live under a one-party system, a la USSR, or Singapore, (PAP), or China.
Then you can say ‘I didn’t vote for this’ if you’re unhappy!

I live in Thailand, now a pseudo-democracy under an unelected, ‘chosen’ PM, backed,
in the end by guns and a corrupt monarchy.
People just live day-to-day as in too many parts of the world, Indonesia included.

BTW, Brits voted for Brexit- (I’m a ‘Leaver’ but understand how people feel about the way the EU has treated us in ‘negotiations’- So Corbyn backed into a remain corner was always going to give this result. Arrogance of the EU elite is something other countries in EU are pondering).

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 1, 2020 7:21 AM
Reply to  davemass

In China the ruling elite work to increase the standard of living of the entire population. In the West the ruling elites work to drive the serfs into the mire of neo-feudalism, with astonishing success.

Antonym
Antonym
Jan 1, 2020 8:08 AM

The Chinese elite is of another variety of “Chosen people”, those of the Chinese Communist Party top. They are not greed or ego less: they like to control all the others like serfs through their “social credit” system a la 1984. A zombie society ruled by totalitarian technocrats – soul less. Some of them made billions too, apart from non monetary power.
Hitler’s Autobahns were also an astonishing success if one disregards the process and stares at the product.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 4, 2020 6:12 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Zionist race and cultural hatred of the Chinese is visceral. It derives from the Chinese being just as clever as any Ashkenazi Jew or other White Ubumenschen. It comes from China not being a so-called Judeo-Christian civilization, that treats Jews as fellow human beings, nothing more, nothing less. And it is worsened by the Chinese refusing to worship at the altar of the Holocaust religion. The Chinese know it was a great tragedy, but they lost five times as many in the same period, so groveling obeisance is out of the question. You illustrate that hatred, your Orientalist ignorance and your Talmudic viciousness by declaring the Chinese ‘soulless’, rather than merely possessing inferior souls to Jews. Plainly you see them as animals, as you do the Palestinians. Loathsome.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Dec 31, 2019 12:37 AM

Boris the fecker can not only be arsed to comb his hair, he can’t be arsed to shave himself properly.

Rais
Rais
Dec 30, 2019 5:13 PM

When I see a statement in an article that I know to be wrong I doubt the rest of the article. The overthrow of the former governments of Indonesia and Chile is mentioned, ” both of them now lying in ruins.” I’m not familiar with Chile but I’m very familiar with Indonesia. I have lived there, I visit there frequently and I speak the language. Much is wrong with Indonesia but it is certainly not lying in ruins. Millions of people have graduated into middle class life. Authoritarian government has given way to multi party democracy far from the ambitions of many but better than the previous system. Yes the wealthy dominate as they do in my home country Australia. The society is unequal but less so than India. But the country is not lying in ruins.

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Dec 30, 2019 2:18 AM

Those who pull the puppet strings on our currently democratically elected rulers do not control who gets in but who gets to be a listed candidate. They allow their darlings on the lists; 17 intelligence services do not do IQ tests all day long.

An interesting example is the late German Chancellor Helmut Kohl. In the denazification processes after 1945 he got a file and was seen as one who would be compliant and could be used. He had a stain on his university entry examen which they found and made him obedient. With Blair it was blatant greed and the desire to feel important which made him so obedient to the villains.

We are on the way to Dickensian circumstances; the brainless privatisations are now unstoppable because they have been ruled ‘governing ideology’ which takes us right back to where we started. Only a mixed economy can deliver – they are going to find out the hard way, hopefully after I am ash.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 30, 2019 8:32 AM
Reply to  Wilmers31

I did love the recollection of a visitor to Blair’s office while he was PM. His financial controller, Lord ‘Cashpoint’ Levy, was present, and the visitor was most impressed by how Lord Levy ordered Blair around like a lackey.

norman widom
norman widom
Dec 30, 2019 1:05 PM
Reply to  Wilmers31

so it was nothing to do with the toilet arrest and the name anthony lynton given?
sex crimes jpeg,negative audio visual perversion crime act is how they are captured
is it or is it not
already?

norman widom
norman widom
Dec 30, 2019 12:22 AM

look close at the image above
can you see it
can you
yes yes
fat faced donmeh

not so young turk
an honest broker
you can take that to the b i s bank

already

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Dec 29, 2019 11:44 PM

I did not vote Tory, though I did vote for Boris Johnson, to be Mayor of London, and I reckon he did a good job, largely conintuing the policies of the former May of London Ken Livingstone – who is labelled extrem left of the labour party, whilst Boris is supposedly extreme right of the Tory party. Yet I thought both these men, were excellent mayors of London – and the policies they introduced were very socially enabling…they both massively encouraged fitness and cycling, and for those all less enabled Free Rail Bus, and Tube Travel for anyone not that fit, or anyone over the age of 60.

So who knows what Boris Johnson is and what he might do…

Well checkout the competition, If you haven’t worked it out yet – Tony Blair( Globalist War Criminal not yet in jail) then God Help You. Can’t you tell the difference???

Whilst Boris may not know exactly what he is going to do next, looking at the next blonde (and even I do that)…he seems somewhat empowered by his new fanbase. The Northern Working Class, who have never voted Tory before in their lives..That is a Powerful Change. Even a total psycho has at least some connection and affection to his new fanbase.

See what George Galloway had to say about this today – and read Jimmy Moglia’s article on the Saker Blog. I am in awe of such people. I would rather see, and read people like these than watch anything on TV.

Happy New Year to all the people who run Off-G – You guys are awesome.

Come down the pub on New Year’s Eve. There’s a Really good band on.

“George Galloway on Brexit and UK’s political future”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOmJyzRNZIY&feature=youtu.be

“Quantitative Easing” By Jimmy Moglia.

http://thesaker.is/quantitative-easing/

Thank You, and God Bless,

I like people like you.

Tony

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 29, 2019 10:53 PM

Well if we are about to embrace that good old American Dream, there’s a very odd matter to face: how to fit into this strange new community with its schizophrenic blend of gee-shucks all round cutesy niceness and a fixation on psychopathic macho genocidal violence.

That feel-good movie for psychos “American Sniper” sports a “philosophy” derived from a book called “On Combat” by one Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. This heart warming take on the human condition features a theory in which most people are “sheep” who must be guarded by “sheep dogs” i.e. special macho individuals against “wolves” i.e. evil outsiders. I found a jaw dropping review of this book on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R133W3VFW00J8N/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B008068P8K

The review is titled:

“A wonderfully informative and movitational book for all ages!”

Sounds most edifying. Read on:

“I couldn’t recommend this more highly for those of us who want to prepare ourselves and our families for the physical/psychological effects of combat and killing!”

Yes – the last three words are a bit of a shocker! Like watching a Disney movie which suddenly goes Texas Chainsaw!

“The lessons about the sheep and the dogs versus the wolves were especially meaningful to me. I read sections of this book to my son and then we discuss the readings and practice tactical breathing techniques every night before bed. Although he’s too young to understand most of the lessons in “On Combat”, “On Combat” does provide an abundance of excellent tips for realistic training that will help him to overcome his urge to be a sheep.”

“…too young to understand …”? The poor little sod! Still you can’t have him turn into a “sheep”!

I reckon we can skip the details of child abuse that follow. Then there’s this:

“Lt Col Grossman’s discussions on the dangers of a warrior letting puppies take control of his mind are an absolute must read. Thanks to Lt Col Grossman, I’m armed with the knowledge necessary to yank those namby pamby puppies from the heads of my wife and my son and replace them with vicious pit bulls. Without a doubt, what I’ve learned from Lt Col Grossman’s Warrior Science about bullet proofing my family will help my wife to protect herself from dangerous predators when I’m not around and will help my son to be a future leader of men on the battlefield!”

“Bullet proofing” to protect the family from “dangerous predators” when the hubby is not around? Well you never know when an Al Qaeda terrorist group might spring up in the supermarket when you’re off boozing in the bar!

Our concerned transatlantic cousin ends:

“On Combat should be required reading for all of America’s NCOs, Officers, and parents of future American soldiers!”

Isn’t it odd how he never sees the contradiction between protecting the sheep and the obvious contempt he has for them? What kind of guardian is it that hates what he guards?

But the real oddity is this American blend of the chummy with the psychotic. Perhaps it’s all to do with this culture that has been raised on 24 hour screen entertainment from birth. I recall one shooting incident where the shooter winced in pain when a cop grabbed him and said, “Hey – you’re hurting me!” There is an odd split between perception and feeling. Enjoy all the bloodshed you want. It’s all just a movie!

RobG
RobG
Dec 29, 2019 10:42 PM

Once again a very brief round-up of what went on in France yesterday (the 59th week of continuous protests), starting with Paris…

https://twitter.com/Gerrrty/status/1211004330435923968

Then Bordeaux…

https://twitter.com/val_stoquer/status/1210956146921656320

Rouen…

https://twitter.com/Ellefan_SC/status/1210991436386230274

Montpellier…

https://twitter.com/france_ghost/status/1211108556885364737

I could go on and on with this, and could quite easily post hundreds and hundreds of videos of the protests in France this weekend (where things haven’t been as violent as they usually are, what with it being Christmas, and all).

Apparently, now that the French unions have joined in the fun (we’re now into the fourth week of a massive general strike) President Macron will address the nation’s worries in his New Year’s Eve address this coming week.

andyoldlabour
andyoldlabour
Dec 31, 2019 1:23 PM
Reply to  RobG

Macron sees himself as a latter day Napolean, whereas the people see him as Louis XVI.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 1, 2020 7:25 AM
Reply to  andyoldlabour

I see him as Tartuffe.

Robyn
Robyn
Dec 29, 2019 10:18 PM

I would like to add my own personal observation to André’s experience when he responds that he’s Russian because it rings a bell with me. A few years ago, one of my grandchildren started studying Russian. Catching up with a friend, and later a relative, I mentioned the choice of Russian. These two generally benign women both had identical responses, spitting out their response – ‘Russian!?’ It was said with such vitriol their faces contorted just saying the word.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Dec 29, 2019 9:41 PM

The key to modern elections is FUD — “fear, uncertainty and doubt”. You don’t present policies because they’re too easy to take down, instead you opt for simplistic slogans that mean nothing and attacking your opposition. The result is that a significant part of the electorate find themselves voting for the status quo merely because its the Devil you know.

This explains the focus on the center — you’re looking for that slice of the electorate that can tip the balance rather than spending resources on those who are already committed. You figure out what motivates them — typically they want to be left in peace — and develop the buttons to press accordingly. Hand in hand with this is also determining what groups you can persuade not to vote (and, if the circumstances are favorable, how to prevent undesirable groups from voting).

Most people haven’t caught on yet — they still think politics is about honest debate.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 29, 2019 4:49 PM

Given that 3.8 million Brits visit America each year, I’d say we deserve exactly what we got.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Dec 29, 2019 5:14 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Indeed. It appears that many Brexiters would like us to be a State of the US.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 29, 2019 5:32 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

And those who would like that would be well advised to speak to any of the close neighbours of the US. Like Canadians for example. Or anyone in Central or South America.But I realize there are some who are into pain and exploitation.

And they must keep in mind the glory from poodling along into Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc. And the esteem-generating exercises in rendering, torturing, leasing Diego Garcia, the lunatic paranoia about the Russians, Chinese among others. But if you treat others like shit I guess you can be understood to imagine they aren’t looking out for your interests.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 30, 2019 1:54 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

And if the 41 random massacres (killings) this year of 219 people in the US are insufficient to give pause, be patient. They continue to rise, a new record was reached this year. “We’re number one”!

https://apnews.com/4441ae68d14e61b64110db44f906af92

This new record went unnoticed by the front page of the NYT. They did report a brutal machete attack on relatives in Brooklyn, where no one died, both as an alert and on the front page two consecutive days. It also emphasized how the mentally ill suspect was found in Harlem, we all know what that means. The governor called it “domestic terrorism“. Not exactly sure how he got there however, in the compulsive desire to hitch on to the terrorism cachet? But because the victims were Hasidic, “hate crime” was invoked but so far unconfirmed.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 30, 2019 8:40 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

The MSM attention to attacks on Jews, plainly tragic, even wicked, although the perpetrator may be mentally disturbed in this case, must be far greater that attacks on goyim, else will be considered de facto evidence of ‘antisemitism’. That mirrors the attention given to massacres and genocides in history, where the overwhelming attention is towards the Nazi Judeocide, there is some attention given to politically advantageous massacres, like the fake ‘genocide’ in Srebrenica, or the fake ‘massacre’ in Tian An Men, or the real genocide in Rwanda, where the Western stooge and perpetrator, Kagame, becomes the hero, and the rest are ignored, downplayed or denied.
In fact, over recent decades there have been tens of thousands of scholarly studies of the Nazi Judeocide, but only one or two concerning the hecatomb in the Belgian Congo, which probably took off as many lives. Of course, pointing out this staggering discrepancy is ‘antisemitic’, and the Nazi Judeocide must ritually be declared ‘unique’, which in itself is true as an individual tragedy, but as a category definition simply reeks of a differential view of the worth of Jewish and non-Jewish lives. But then one is reminded of Abe Foxman’s opinion, expressed some years ago, that Hitler’s real crime was not genocide, but deicide.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 30, 2019 9:14 PM

Actually hate murders of Jews seem rare everywhere, as far as I can tell, and that is obviously a good thing. But pretending otherwise seems to distract attention from so many other social injustices. Will this act by a reported schizophrenic will be counted as “anti-Semitic” by the JDL accountants, regardless of how it turns out?. It is amazing that even with suspect reporting that Usually seems not to have passed muster by objective independent arbiters, the rates are so low. Police brutality vs people of colour and the Draconian imprisonment of young black males, robbing to feed their families, seems a much more pressing problem. And it draws punishment which is often orders of magnitude greater than received by Jeff Epstein, Les Moonves, Roman Polanski et al.. His murder was surely not part of any official sentencing.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 1, 2020 7:32 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

Acts of ‘antisemitism’ sometimes include false flag incidents like threats and graffiti committed by Jews for propaganda purposes, and, of course, the all-purpose ‘outrage’ where a non-Jew dares argue with a chauvinistic or even openly racist and fascist Zionist Jew. It is rapidly becoming unlawful to support the Palestinians in any way, and thus the rate of ‘antisemitic’ acts will mushroom, until we are all forbidden to mention any Jew, anywhere, but in terms of the most obsequious groveling. At the same time Zionists are the chief creators and sustainers of the Islamophobia hate campaigns, while truly deranged Zionists like Melanie Phillips declare that Islamophobia does not exist, and to argue with her must be seen as ‘antisemitism’.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 29, 2019 5:33 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

‘It appears that many Brexiters would like us to be a State of the US.’ – maybe that’s not what they wish for but its what they are going to get.

Iain Duncan Smith has already begun to Americanise welfare and despite gross failing he is to be ‘honoured’ for his ‘achievements’.

Health care next.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 7:32 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

The odious IDS did not ‘fail’. He succeeded greatly in his task to kill chavs through malign neglect, hence the gong.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 29, 2019 5:40 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

And I wonder what the future has in store for our new Yankee nation. Gated communities? School shootings? Paying for the sheer honour of being able to use medical waiting rooms? Bombing abortion facilities? Outlawing lessons in evolution? Televangelists?

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 7:59 PM
Reply to  George Mc

All of the above. Moving Embassy to Jerusalem, too, I’d bet.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 30, 2019 2:16 AM
Reply to  George Mc

…I wonder what the future has in store for our new Yankee nation. Gated communities? School shootings? […]

Have you considered the possibility of Boris’s warming to a newly-feasible role as a traditional British bulldog guarding the traditional independence of traditionally independent “British values” and “fair play” (albeit from the position of a traditional, patrician, pre-defeat-of-the-Sterling-reserve English conservative)?

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 30, 2019 10:28 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Re: Boris’s new role as Churchill for the gamer generation, yes I’m sure there will be a lavish stage show going on at the front to keep the Daily Mail readership happy. Meanwhile in the Lovecraftian blasted heath of the hinterland: gated communities, school shootings etc.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jan 1, 2020 7:05 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Some pretty venal people have risen remarkably upon taking political office, and some apparent saints have crashed disastrously, even if many haven’t, don’t and won’t.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Dec 29, 2019 6:40 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

”Indeed. It appears that many Brexiters would like us to be a State of the US.”

Which Brexiteers did you have in mind? In fact we have been a state of the US since the end of WW2

A de facto client state of the US since 1946 when we J.M.Keynes was angling for a loan, which he got – but with conditions, namely: a break-up of the Sterling Area which the US always wanted to enter, and then the Suez crisis of 1953 when both the UK and France were cut down to size and forcefully reminded that the boss on the other side of the pond was now calling the shots. That was the end of the UK as a great power and its beginning as a subaltern state. Of course the EU has been an American operation since 1945; its sphere of influence being brought about by CIA programmes like operations Gladio, Mockingbird and Paperclip.

The US wants to keep control of the EU through its control over NATO. The EU is merely the civilian wing of NATO. The US wants the UK to remain in the EU – and Obama chastised the Brexit supporters reminding them that if Britain was to leave the EU it would go to the back of the queue in the event of any trade deal between the EU and US. Jog any memories?

Kayaboosha
Kayaboosha
Dec 29, 2019 10:37 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

I would suggest the UK has been a vassal state of the US since WW2. Maybe it’s time for that fact to be recognised and another star added to the US flag?

RobG
RobG
Dec 30, 2019 12:07 AM
Reply to  Kayaboosha

I would suggest that it’s more nuanced than that.

Big Capital doesn’t care about borders or countries.

The head of the snake is the City of London, with American (psychopathic) corporations a short second.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 30, 2019 2:34 AM
Reply to  Kayaboosha

I would suggest the UK has been a vassal state of the US since WW2. Maybe it’s time for that fact to be recognised and another star added to the US flag?

Perhaps you might broaden your suggestion to recognise the fact that, since the late mid 1940s, Britain was no longer at the centre of US concerns, which had shifted to seeing Europe, of which Britain was only a part, as a vassal continent? Johnson has been caught out as a local political underdog trading away the NHS role as the family doctor of Britain’s poverty class, but now–as he is the political overdog of that very same class–perhaps he may become as expansive in his 2020s vision of the UK reviving a decaying Europe as the US was of its role in the mid 1940’s?

kevin morris
kevin morris
Dec 31, 2019 11:56 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Utter twaddle! What they wanted was the honouring of the 2016 vote to leave Europe.

Monobazeus
Monobazeus
Dec 29, 2019 1:19 PM

https://www.globalresearch.ca/climate-money-trail/5690209

Your Bonnie King Charles is in cahoots with monsters

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 8:02 PM
Reply to  Monobazeus

That the global parasite castes are seeking to profit from the global ecological Holocaust that they caused does not change the science. This is one of the denialist industry’s more cunning canards.

nick
nick
Dec 29, 2019 12:48 PM

Nice article in a way, but don’t forget that the Tories only scored 43.7% of the vote for their massive majority in parliament.
That means 56.3% voted against the Tories.
For the tories, 1% of the vote equated to 8 seats, for Labour 6 seats, for the lib dems, 1 seat.
So how come “we deserve the politicians we vote for”?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 30, 2019 2:47 AM
Reply to  nick

So how come “we deserve the politicians we vote for”?

The most backward, shit-for-brains dregs of the former British colonies, the fish still otherwise rotting from it’s erstwhile UK head down, Australia and New Zealand, both managed to constitute various forms of proportional representation several to many decades ago?

Nick
Nick
Dec 30, 2019 9:42 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

so we are more backward and shit for brains than backward and shit for brains australians and new zealanders? that is your “explanation”? I should have known better than to expect reasoned discussion on an unmoderated website.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 30, 2019 1:13 PM
Reply to  Nick

The problem with “moderated” websites is that they may start “moderating” you too, Nick.

Nick
Nick
Dec 30, 2019 1:19 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I’d have no problem with that so long as it relates to netiquette. “shit for brains”, really, for an entire population? This is xenophobic, to say the least.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 30, 2019 3:33 PM
Reply to  Nick

“netiquette”? You see the whole problem with censorship is that you don’t see what is censored. You have to take the word of the censor. I prefer Mick Jagger’s attitude:

I’ve always been opposed to censorship of any kind, especially by conglomerates. I’ve always said, ‘If you can’t take a joke, it’s too fucking bad’.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 30, 2019 3:34 PM
Reply to  George Mc

That last bit was meant to be blockquote. Sorry.

Nick
Nick
Dec 30, 2019 6:13 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I think we can distinguish between moderation and censorship. For example, many sites operate a reporting offensive comments facility. Not perfect, but then what is?

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 30, 2019 7:50 PM
Reply to  Nick

“I think we can distinguish between moderation and censorship.”

No “we” can’t. The question is: who decides? And the result is that you always have to trust the declarations of those who censor. That’s why Off-G are wise in not censoring except after they have delivered warnings and all can see what the issue is. In the meantime I think we can survive “shit for brains”.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 1, 2020 7:34 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Easy for a very rich man to say.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 29, 2019 5:39 AM

There are times I wonder why the people of France have rebelled en masse, with the admirable Gilets Jaunes opposing the Neoliberal economic order, struggling for over one year now, and also the recent General Strike in France, which again, saw masses of people on the street.
Yet in the UK, in the United States, and in uber apathetic Australia. Nothing. Not a peep. Not a yellow vest to be seen anywhere.
Down here in Melbourne, the streets and shopping malls have been absolutely heaving the last few days with people of all ages, lumbered down with multiple bags. Things that they really really really need. Of course.
Most would vote for Bojo if they could. After all, this year, they voted for a far right Christian fundamentalist Scott Morrison and his merry band of crypto fascists.
So, what’s the difference between France, and what is Not happening in countries like Australia and UK? In a nutshell – why?
Is it in the blood?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 29, 2019 7:11 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

There are times I wonder why the people of France have rebelled en masse, with the admirable Gilets Jaunes opposing the Neoliberal economic order, struggling for over one year now, and also the recent General Strike in France, which again, saw masses of people on the street.

Individuated self-interest writ large. What was on offer was (is) not the chance of a gain larger than the loss aversion limits that would apply were there implicit or overt choice, but the certainty of a significant loss without any choice other than a write-in/DIY-action option.

Since their assimilated but never overthrown revolution, the French have developed an encultured direct-action response to such offers; the British and Australians respond similarly, but theirs is centred around the debilitating, disempowering myth of an ultimately enduring millennium-old, revolution-defying ‘parliamentary democracy’.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 29, 2019 9:51 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Fully agree with the sentiments expressed Rob. I havn’t voted for over 20 years.
It took me a long time to wake up and smell the coffee, and realise it was all a confected Punch & Judy Show.
The system is still in place the day after the election. Nothing substantive changes.

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 29, 2019 10:28 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Give it a couple of months whilst the slob gets his feet under the table, we’ll see whether or not anything changes, the NHS will be unrecognisable for a start, the blind idiots have voted the most right wing government into power, and you’re suggesting nothing will change, why are these lice like ugly patel, idiot raab, doughnut smith, coffee the lunatic ignorant truss ,leadsom etc and the rest of the despicable load of shite

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Dec 29, 2019 2:19 PM
Reply to  GEOFF

…you’re suggesting nothing will change…

This site’s BTL would be a lot less stupefying if more posters bothered to read what was written.

Thom
Thom
Dec 29, 2019 9:16 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Are the Gilets Jaunes a grassroots rebellion, though? Or is it all instigated by the intelligence agencies as, probably, are the protests in Hong Kong?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 29, 2019 9:59 AM
Reply to  Thom

How much mainstream media coverage have the Gilets Jaunes had in the last year Thom, compared to the wall to wall blanket coverage of the Hong Kong ‘protests’ which we know are deliberately orchestrated, thanks to the revelations of The Grayzone and other independent media.
The fact the GJ’s have been almost completely ignored for this long tells me they’re almost certainly genuine.
If the 0.01% want you to believe something, they use their pet presstitutes to get the message out.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Jan 1, 2020 3:08 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Indeed. The ABC sends one of its ‘top journalists’ to Hong Kong for a week to report on ‘police brutality’ towards demonstrators but does not inform us that the French authorities do worse to the Yellow Vests (blindings, hands shot off). And it tells us nothing at all about the violence of the post-coup regime in Bolivia. Selective reporting and lying-by-omission as usual.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 1, 2020 7:38 AM

The shit-heap still known nostalgically as the ABC, has been central to the years-long campaign of hatred against China. No lie is too preposterous, no false assertion is ever acknowledged or corrected, by these plainly racist, Orientalist and insufferably arrogant swine. Their little faces often twitch with rage when they peddle the latest lie, and there is NO dissent, not even at the margin, allowed any more.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Jan 1, 2020 10:49 AM

No dissent is allowed, either, from ABC Radio National’s smear campaign that UK Labour is systemically ‘anti-semitic’. It wheels out one political hack after another to make this allegation, not as the thing which has to be proved, but as the proof itself.

Powerful dissenting voices exist, but they’re never allowed near the ABC’s microphones. And, of course, the ABC takes great care to ensure that neither it, nor its chorus of ‘guests’, define what they actually mean by ‘anti-semitism’.

No point complaining to the ABC internally about any of these things; you’ll be told that black is white, up is down, etc.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jan 2, 2020 12:17 AM

Hi CM… I hope you’re nowhere near any of the fires?
Maybe 30 years ago, there was some semblance of balance in the ABC (still within the boundary of permissible ‘debate’ tho) but that is long gone.
All bets are off, so to speak.
There’s a community radio station in Melbourne – 3RRR, I was listening to after I moved to Melbourne a few years ago, but they went all Rachel Maddow; frothing at the mouth about Russiagate and how Putin was responsible for Trump and blah blah blah….
All straight out bullshit with absolutely no evidence provided. Lies asserted as facts. So you know what – I hit the off button, and havn’t listened since.
I fully agree with Richard Le Sarc’s reply to you also. The key words are Shit and Heap.
We’re very lucky to have sites like this CM. I’d go nuts otherwise!
Enjoy your day.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Jan 3, 2020 10:37 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Thankfully, nowhere near the fires, GP and I hope the same applies to you.

I don’t know 3RRR, but it sounds like the old story…decline after a reasonable start.

I agree about OG – a wonderful thing to have available to us.

Cheers.

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 29, 2019 12:06 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Stockholm syndrome!

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 29, 2019 12:19 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah, I read the Guardian everyday and know nothing of these ‘yellow vest’ riots.

Can be it be true France burns every week while Britain’s premiere liberal outlet fails to provide analysis?

If they wound down their operation to smear Corbyn maybe a few more journalists would be available to inform readers about a hugely significant chapter in civil dissent.

I know they are busy providing a blow by blow account of events in Hong Kong but is it too much to ask for coverage of domestic civil war nearer to home?
Hell, while they are at it they the might even mention Britain’s torture of a journalist for exposing war crimes (instead deleting references to this BTL).

They seem to be pretending none of these terrible things are happening – perhaps because they don’t want the oppressed people of Britain to get any ideas?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 29, 2019 1:18 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Harry, with respect to you, I wouldn’t use the Guardian to pick up dog poo.
Have you not heard of Operation Mockingbird? The revelations of Udo Ulfkotte? Manufacturing Consent? Brian Williams of NBC, and here’s a real doozy for you – Rachel Maddow.
The mainstream media are the propaganda arm of the 0.01%. They are the cheer squad for imperialist wars and regime change. They are the enthusiastic promoters of the global neoliberal order. They are fully complicit in war crimes.
And in covering them up.
With respect, you are supporting these vile bastards every time you buy a copy, unless you’re reading it in your local library?
That’s assuming your local library is still open?
In short – they are the lowest of the low.
Why was this very site set up? Why does your ‘paper’ censor or delete comments? Harry, there are plenty of decent, quality, independent news sites out there.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 29, 2019 8:52 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

In defense of Harry, I am guilty of reading NYT, WaPo and two raving lunatic neocon sites, one the Gatestone Institute. Simply because these represent what I perceive to be the greatest threats to my family’s future. Watching the m.o. of Gatestone and their gymnastic attempts to deceive can be hugely informative vis a vis the poisonous machinations of the American government.On line readership does not even slightly alleviate the chronic shortage of budgie cage liners. Readership does not equate to endorsement, surely.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 29, 2019 9:41 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

Thanks George my post was meant to be humerous rather than an endorsement of the Guardian.

But Gezzah has a point – visiting their page in a small way contributes to their ongoing existance.

I go there usually to remind myself just how dire things have become (even BTL) sometimes throwing in the odd riposte hoping the censor has fulfilled the required number of moderations to satisfy memory hole quotas for that particular article.

There are still a few good posters BTL but in the main the pendulum has definitely swung far to the right.
Above the line regular columnists practically trip over themselves to illustrate how the stock of supposedly liberal voice in the MSM (or at least one that is not rothingly right wing) has fallen to such abysmal levels.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 8:04 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Really-the Guardian, particularly its loathsome ‘female’ maenads, are cheering on Assange’s lynching.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 29, 2019 10:47 PM

Like the ‘red queen’ (oxymoron) Van Badham, and her #MeToo cohorts.
Interesting to note how often she appears on ABC as well. Probably there to give the ‘radical left’ viewpoint. Cough.
As with the odious Alexander Downer, Esq, they’re all just Establishment lackeys toeing the safe, defined boundaries for ‘acceptable debate’.
Whatever they proclaim to be.
I posted a comment on Badham’ s Facebook page weeks ago proclaiming ‘Free Julian Assange – Oppose the Mainstream Media’ s lies about Julian and Chelsea’ or something similar.
My comment was ignored. Obviously.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 30, 2019 2:39 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

A little exposure on the Drum and one discovers that Badham is just another dipshit-but a very arrogant one with it.

norman widom
norman widom
Dec 29, 2019 3:40 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

So, what’s the difference between France, and what is Not happening in countries like Australia and UK? In a nutshell – why?

consumerism
collectivisation
medication

programming
soft power
bbc
100 years of tavistock mind mapping
herding
cattle training
open air farming
small box containment

margaret thatcher the milk snatcher
no such thing as society
thatcher surrounded by zio cons and child fiddlers
rothschild agents major minor
tory toilet trader blair
wheres the gold gone get me another boy
browns bottom
poisoned zombie foods

total khazar control
init

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 29, 2019 8:53 PM
Reply to  norman widom

Really like your postings Norman, aye.
Twas also thinking, the French sense of culture, of identity, of who they are is probably much stronger than the 5 Eyes (Anglo Saxon) countries; especially outside the big cities.

Berlin beerman
Berlin beerman
Dec 29, 2019 3:25 AM

Andrei,
Lets get one thing straight – almost the entire Europe is not moving towards a “racist right” – well other than Poland which is and always has been rather racist and self serving to the point of stupidity.

Hungry is Hungry and Mr.Orban is old news in that country’s political theatre. Hes been there before and for someone briefly educated at Oxford, what the hell did you expect from him? he’s an opportunist at best with simple roots and money to gather.

Germans are still bitter but smarter than the rest. Not very racist and perhaps too tolerant. they keep it within as do many other EU nationalities.

UK has been a racist back country for as long as I can recall. The US even worse, so I am perplexed at your analysis.

Mr. Trump, if anything, is no racist. He may blurt things out without much thought at times but that’s it. It’s an improvement.

We all know that racism in the EU exists and is not about to go anywhere. It exits on your left and on your right. Stop generalizing as it takes away from your otherwise brilliant writings.

Also stop talking about the left and the right – have you not figured out yet that there is the clan and then there are the rest. The clan rules the fake lords within the House of Lords, it rules the UK political system and it plays the “rest” as it sees fit. Certain politicians break through the mold once in a while – Mr. Trump is one and perhaps Mr. Orban is too, only to be fucked over by the MSM machine on behalf of the ruling clan and to the detriment of the “rest”.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Dec 29, 2019 6:18 AM
Reply to  Berlin beerman

“Poland which is and always has been rather racist and self serving to the point of stupidity“
“Germans…not very racist”

You have an utterly perverse perspective of European history.

Berlin beerman
Berlin beerman
Dec 29, 2019 9:23 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

I think not. When did your “history” start ? Its a bit older than 70 years on.

Furthermore, current events are also relevant and its what we were primarily discussing.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Jan 1, 2020 7:40 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Poland is priest-ridden, an even direr fate. Like the old Ireland on steroids.

paul
paul
Jan 3, 2020 12:05 PM

I think that’s overblown. Religion often serves a purpose that has nothing to do with spirituality. A Polish bloke explained it to me. Being a Catholic was just a way of saying “I am not a communist.” Gravestones in cemeteries had either a red star or a cross on them. Wearing a cross was often just a way of rejecting communism.

mikael
mikael
Dec 28, 2019 10:43 PM

Urg… racism, of course, the magic wand, wipping and wipping, of course with an moral high ground, since eh…. we are all humans.
Not bad in it self, nope, but this blame game, is orcestrated by the very same MSM that lies about everything else, and the rest is propaganda, period, I dont belive much, anymore, thats why I never have cared what label one use when the case in it self is crystal clear, you dont deed to drown straight in our face bullshit, ad infinitum, since we dont belive an word you say, yeah, snow is an thing of the past on top of it, selfmutilated them self, anc castrated what little left of anything resembling balls.

This result Brits have been long time awaiting, they knew it and so did we, and now we are here and what do we then have, an dopehead, an Trumpian MiniMee, an “master” in drivel, spraying bollocks, feeding the fog, or cover up for the elite, or plainly just another corporat bitch, or, for the first time on many decades are the borderline straight infront of you, freedom or chains, you took the jump, because the actual work, Brits, safe guard your self above all, end the wars, and then ends the reson for this invasion of so called “refugeezz”, with the curtecy of western backed NGOs howering just some miles outside Libya the the western aproved one, the human trafficing we all know is happening and when we want that to end, that requires peace, and from then on, you have an much larger marked for British Gods, for heavens sake, grow up, and nothing will change is you dont do your god given f…. right, and straike if souths, but keep Britain british, it will take time, years of time before any kind of normality will be the line into the future, I guess, it is and will be, despite the Neo-CONservaTick, with their nonsense and a MMT ready for the scrapyard of human history, and the rush for privatisiting, yeah, and new marked with you have to aply for, and all this, never ever forget this, because this is highly vitale, everything put into practising or become an norm, from deals to whom to trade to/for, with what, you can change that, to be more to reap the benefits of self-sustainability, self rule, direct democrasy on/in issues regarding local resources this is what you have Brits, how to manage that in the coming century/s.
You have right now, once in an life time opertuinty to do something radical, and make Britain great again.

The Imperial banana republic is of course, high on power and yapps in every direction and its an sight to watch the theater of insanity displayed on the Tube, they jump everytime the Yankikes say we shal do, huh, and just because I think for the benefit on our nation and people, why on earth is it so hard to see that to now, we have just made things much, much worse, but the main issue should be, peace, and then trade, and now, you are your own master and if ruled wisely, your own man.
Aka an True Brit.
I like Brits, hehe, despite those I meat, looks like pitbulls but ok people, but of course I benefit from been from Norway, in all of the isles, incl Ireland.
But Hey, to be frank, everywhere I go, people behave, so to be more, eh….. multicultural, I prefere to travel to teir homeland, innstead of jogging into Oslo Centrum an weekend evening, yeah, I might even see an real fight, havent seen them for years.
Tings, take, time.
Chapice….
Blessed be the peacemakers.

Otherwise I liked the article, good style.
Cheers, or drool in the haze.
I dont judge you, but use your f…. brain, dont waist it, and dont rott in an chair, and get an flat ass, huh, before 30, jesus, but the worst ting, this is my humble opinion, this eh…. infested times of various deRagements, syndromes, is the way people talk, 40?+ talks like 18 years and chews gum like an monkey.
Its the Lionness that hunts, and give birth to future lions.
And then we have, now at the end of 2019, an peculiare trait, I my self observed on my holliday, in Malta by the way, I like history, hehe, Malta is packed, was that everybody was stearing Down, like hunchbacks, Quasimodos in all shapes and forms, incl colors, and I asked my wife, did they even know where they was when it looked like 80% of the time, they looked down.
Huh.
Dunka, dunka.
My warning is, dont waist your time.

peace

John Manning
John Manning
Dec 28, 2019 9:23 PM

A question arises from this article and the many comments made. Is western democracy still functioning.

The number of commentators who propose that the election was rigged is a problem in itself. When a significant proportion of an electorate no longer trusts the system then countries risk rebellion. Whether or not election rigging is real. Bolivia is a very real and recent example.

It would be very difficult to rig the British voting system however that does not mean that the system wasn’t tampered with. The media depiction of Corbyn versus Johnson was very unfavourable to Corbyn. The lead into that, was 2 or more years of anti-Corbyn propaganda. I have no preference for either of them, its not my country, so I speak as an unbiased party.

Can this sway an election. Well the Americans think so. About half of Americans think Putin chose their President by some nefarious use of Facebook posts.

So is the British system failing. The BBC reporting of exit poll results before voting was completed says yes. The media beat up of an antisemitic labour party says yes. The separation between opinion polls and actual votes says yes. So join the rest of the worlds democracies and remember its nothing new. As previously noted by another commentator Mark Twain told us over 100 years ago, if voting made a difference they would not let us do it.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 8:44 AM
Reply to  John Manning

The message is that, no matter how fine your character and how very much needed be your agenda, if any member of the Jewish elite does not like your lack of obsequiousness, support for Israel’s victims, or, as one worthy, the odious Sacks I think, made plain, detests your ‘Leftwing policies’, then the Jewish elite and Jewish hysterics, plus their goy stooges, will destroy you. So in fact, the only people who count in UK politics are the half or so of the Jewish community who can be called Likudniks and Talmudic fanatics. In other words something less than 1% of the populace. And this ‘antisemitic’ destruction campaign is being rolled out already, by the Right, in Australia, France, Germany and the USA.

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 29, 2019 2:20 PM

Hence the recent graffiti

Thom
Thom
Dec 28, 2019 9:02 PM

It seems hard to understand why most people would vote for Johnson. But do the public deserve it? Probably not – for even if we generously assume there was no outright vote rigging, the entire establishment machine from Five Eyes to the monarchy to the media pulled out all the stops at their disposal to block Corbyn, and yet a majority of voters still chose other parties.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 28, 2019 9:58 PM
Reply to  Thom

Five Eyes + One = Six Eyes

P.S. I’m an Eye too but don’t tell the other Six Eyes. I’d rather let them think they are the only analysts capable of seeing what everyone else is up to.

😉

MOU

Thom
Thom
Dec 29, 2019 9:23 AM

Who dares to leave and make it Four Eyes?

Gall
Gall
Dec 28, 2019 8:10 PM

One fact is that Corbyn was undermined by his own party much like Bernie Sanders was here back across the pond. Another one was his campaign was also sabotaged by proposing a second referendum on Brexit.

Personally I don’t think most Brits know the actual implications of Brexit but that is what they voted for.

RobG
RobG
Dec 28, 2019 7:42 PM

I disagree with you here, Andre:

And there is one more ‘little nuance’ worth mentioning: almost the entire Europe is moving to the right; towards the racist, self-serving right. And it is not only Europe which wants to stay in the EU, or Europe which desires to leave the bloc. Both parts are heading in a similar direction.

In America the political left was almost entirely destroyed in the early 20th century (and often quite violently, with lots of people getting killed). In Europe the same started happening from the 1980s onwards, and in Britain we ended-up with ‘New Labour’ (aka New Tories). Incredibly, in France over the last decade or so we’ve seen exactly the same thing: now, heading into 2020 the political left in France has all but been destroyed (because the psychopaths who rule us will not allow any whisper of socialism).

But ‘the left’ in France has not been destroyed. It’s been out on the streets demonstrating every weekend for the last 59 weeks. The gilets jaunes are almost entirely white, working class and middle class people, many of which would normally identify as being on the right of politics; yet the gilets jaunes movement is about as left wing as it gets (which includes ending French imperialism in Africa).

59 weeks of protest; something that’s totally unprecedented in modern European history, and it’s a left wing movement.

You should have seen the gilets jaunes out on the streets today, all over France, getting hit with rubber bullets, tear gas and water cannons on a sub-zero day in late December.

It takes some balls to do that…

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 28, 2019 9:46 PM
Reply to  RobG

“You should have seen the gilets jaunes out on the streets today, all over France, getting hit with rubber bullets, tear gas and water cannons on a sub-zero day in late December.”

Thank you for telling it as it is, RobG. I wonder where the BBC is then? Perhaps I should stick to RT?

Grafter
Grafter
Dec 29, 2019 1:24 AM
Reply to  austrian peter

The BBC are the propaganda arm of the Establishment.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Dec 28, 2019 11:10 PM
Reply to  RobG

RobG – amen to that brother!

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Dec 28, 2019 7:38 PM

It is of course always a worthwhile exercise to attempt to analyze and rationally examine such events to better understand the dynamics and forces involved, the “whys” and “hows” of it all. I give Andre great credit for his ongoing efforts to do just that. He is truly an honorable man. However, we must also acknowledge that we have now reached a point of complete post-reality absurdity in the West.

In the realm of political and MSM discourse, events that actually provably occur in the physical world = “facts” – are simply completely irrelevant to the construction of establishment propaganda narratives. Corbyn is an “anti-Semite” because we say he is. Assad “gassed his own people” because we said he did. The findings of the Western organizations such as the OPCW, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch are “credible” – because we say they are. The White Helmets are “good guys,” because we say they are. MSM objectively reports the “news” because we say it does. “We” in this case of course having nothing whatsoever to do with “you” or “me” or anyone else outside the loops of power.

Evidence, as in physically observable events, simply isn’t part of the equation anymore. There will never be enough OPCW whistleblowers to get the same MSM outlets who peddled the “regime-change” by “moderate-rebels” propaganda on Syria – to instead challenge the credibility of the OPCW and the forces that blatantly influenced it’s corrupt reporting.

But none of this is new. The entire top tier of progressive leadership in the U.S. was assassinated within a five year period during my youth in the mid-1960’s. JFK, MalcolmX, MLK and RFK all publicly murdered. Given many decades of tireless work by independent researchers, only the most willfully ignorant can claim they aren’t aware that the CIA, FBI and military leadership were the forces behind this purging of progressive leadership, or that MSM has been dutifully parroting the official lies decade after decade after decade. A “magic bullet” – indeed!

In Europe during the late 1960’s and onward you had the CIA/NATO Operation Gladio shaping and turning public opinion away from progressive parties and candidates with false-flag bombings and murders blamed on those very progressive forces in order to demonize them in the public mind. It took until 1990 for the truth and public acknowledgement in Italy to emerge that these bombings and murders were actually carried out by extreme right-wing forces under the control of the CIA & NATO. I can’t speak to what the everyday European citizen knows about Operation Gladio, but I would say it is virtually an unknown history here in the U.S., though America funded and organized it. Yet how can we understand today’s European “socialist” parties which are now only “socialist” in name if we don’t understand this history?

This is the world we live in. A world of shadows and lies. The “Kuwaiti incubator babies,” “Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction,” “Gaddafi’s viagra fueled rape camps,” “Assad is gassing his own people,” any progressive leader in Latin America (fill in the blank) is a “dictator,” “communist,” “socialist,” “human rights violator,” and must be overthrown, and of course, “a bunch of guys with box cutters” who couldn’t fly no less, outwitted all of America’s defense systems, pulled off 9/11 and thus forced us to launch our “War on Terror.” This is all of course just the completely invented routine slap-stick nonsense that we in the West are expected to accept as our collective – “reality.”

Most here at OffG know all of this. Many of us here have methodically spent years of our lives taking the illusion machine apart and examining it from every facet we are privy to, and yet I dare say we share a common struggle to find a way to impact that machine through effective forms of mass resistance. And so we are left with our reliance on mere “facts,” on words tied to actual “events in the physical world,” on our rational analysis. This seems all we have to hold up in opposition to the empire’s complete contempt for said “facts” and for it’s completely “irrational analysis” and for it’s pathological aversion to the truth.

I appreciate that OffG remains a place where we can continue to educate ourselves and “think out loud” in the comments section. Thank you all for the work you do. There are too few venues where this remains true.

RobG
RobG
Dec 28, 2019 8:28 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

You are absolutely spot on with what you say, Gary.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 28, 2019 8:35 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

‘I appreciate that OffG remains a place where we can continue to educate ourselves and “think out loud” in the comments section. Thank you all for the work you do. There are too few venues where this remains true.’ – couldn’t agree more, Gary, especially the important point you make about (self) education.

The standard of commentary and analysis (above and BTL) is generally way ahead of most of the other forums I have come across.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 28, 2019 9:58 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Excellent discourse, Gary, thank you and I support your report unconditionally. My attempt to even the playing field is to write a book over these last six years which I plan to publish early next year, it now being almost ready. The hundreds of publishers that I have approached reply that it is too controversial for them to put their name to – to be expected – since they are all bought and paid for.

In the meantime, I content myself with RT’s News and Renegade Inc on Monday evenings and ZeroHedge during the day as well as, of course, this excellent vehicle I am grateful to have found.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Dec 28, 2019 11:08 PM
Reply to  austrian peter

austrian Peter – be sure to let us know about it when you do publish. I myself have been trying to bring focus to some dearly held writing projects, but I must admit I’ve struggled since my wife and I relocated back to the U.S. from rural France several years ago. In France I was able to write and I published several pieces on the GlobalResearch site that were picked up elsewhere also. Now living here in the suburban U.S. in southern California it feels so difficult for me to find and sustain the focus required to really think about and write about what I find most pressing. So it is inspiring to know others are actively at work writing about what needs to be said and discussed. The best of luck with your work going forward Peter.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 29, 2019 8:00 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Thank you Gary for your support and encouragement. I understand your problem having spent six years researching and writing ‘The Financial Jigsaw’ and finally it is almost ready to publish. I was motivated by the banking crisis in Cyprus during 2013 and was horrified to see the general populace getting literally robbed of their savings by the EU, ECB and IMF. IMO it was a banker’s test for the new ‘Bail-in’ system which has now been implemented worldwide by the central banks.

I am fortunate to live in a quiet rural village in the depths of Somerset, UK and we have eight months of dark, damp and gloomy weather in which to hunker down and do things indoors, like writing.

We returned to UK in 2009 having spent ten happy years in sunny Cape Town where everything is outdoors and distractions are everywhere! I empathise with your difficulty in the balmy climate and long summers in California.

I have sent hundreds of copies of my draft manuscript to readers around the world and you are welcome to a copy on request to: [email protected] It has been my objective to have the contents tested in advance for content and verification. It has proved extremely helpful and rewarding having met many online friends and supporters.

My book has also been serialised weekly by kind permission of Jim Quinn at The Burning Platform, we are towards the end of this project now:
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2019/12/28/the-financial-jigsaw-issue-no-84/

Best wishes and Happy New Year.

John Thatcher
John Thatcher
Dec 29, 2019 10:22 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

“However,we must also acknowledge that we have now reached a point of complete post reality absurdity in the West”. Whatever our squabbling about the detail,I would think nearly all who come here,will agree with that sentence.

Peter
Peter
Dec 28, 2019 7:12 PM

Interesting article about Socialism v Capitalism, Yes there are problems with both systems. But you provide no answers. Apart from stupid voters, if they bothered to vote, Yet complained of voter apathy if the stupid, or not stupid people, saw through the illusion that voting is a waste of time.

Communism = the Party rules and the workers work.
Capitalism = the owners rule and the workers work.

It as been possible with frugal individual spending to claw your way to a decent life-style but you get the moans and groans. why have you got that and i have not?

But in all your rambling you let slip

“Europe is living beyond its means, and is planning to do so, for decades to come. It cannot survive, and it doesn’t want to live without the brutal plunder of the world, or read, without the “conservative neo-liberal regime”.

To many people, claiming this that or the other, but not enough people paying into the system [at all levels to sustain the people in Europe [and the west] in the manner to which they have become accustomed to.

What is the answer? More migration to replace the older Indigenous people? But don’t migrants grow old too? Is it fair to allow migrants free access to all that is [was] available in the west?

Should they not pay into the system for a few years before they can claim benefits. [You pay your insurance premium before your house burns down or you have a car accident?] On the other hand could the employers who require the extra workforce be obliged to pay all housing and social costs for each employee for say two years?

The west should look to the east and see how the rulers, rule their people? Not to omit it is virtual impossible for an outsider to go and live in their countries and make use of their limited resources. Maybe there is a lesson there to be learned.

Then again their are some countries who practice control om migration and only allow those in who can a] pay for themselves and are not a drain on their society, or b] have the skills and mind-set to fit in in their society and culture, if that fails they offer option c] short-term work contracts, the contract worker goes home on completion of his contract.

I am not being racist, or biased, just being honest. I have spent 20+ years working as a contractor. Finding on my return to the country of my birth to treated like some sort outsider and a stranger in my native country.

I am old enough, having sufficient funds to live my life without need of too much state help. To say to others Do as i have done, don’t expect things for free that other have paid for. If the makers design life is three score and ten, [+/- 10%] then i am well on the way to my design limit. I just look at the world with the eyes of the late George Carlin. A hour or two looking at his bio and his many U-tube films is both enlightening, educational and enjoyable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 28, 2019 7:01 PM

‘Did the UK get what it deserves?’ – not only is IDS being worshipped by the establishment but battalions of ‘Britain First’ are tripping over themselves to sign up to the right’s new reich.

Rousing chorus of Panzerlied, anyone?

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 28, 2019 10:09 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

You shall know them by their actions (fruits) – Matthew 7:20.

Peter
Peter
Dec 29, 2019 11:31 AM
Reply to  austrian peter

There were many people who even though they served in the second world war. Believed that they fought the wrong enemy.

As history proved them wrong?

Greece, Palestine, Korea, Vietnam, Malaya, Kenya, Cyprus Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and too many to mention
?
What was achieved? apart from death destruction for the common people and profits for our betters?

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 29, 2019 12:10 PM
Reply to  Peter

Yes, Peter, thank you, it is sad but true that human nature never changes, greed trumps fear and we are all driven by fear but strive to drive with love. All wars are banksters’ wars:

“Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes its laws” – Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild, Banker

As an humanistic counseller I have used this book very effectively in healing emotional distress and overcoming irrational fears with some of my clients over the years:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Love-Letting-Fear-Gerald-Jampolsky/dp/1587611961

norman wisdom
norman wisdom
Dec 28, 2019 6:38 PM

Did the UK get what it deserves?

world leaders in the concept of gangs counter gangs and pseudo gang
country take downs

taken down

all sides are controlled by zio agents.
boris is just another puppet a donmeh not so young turk

like terry may dave nice but dim cameron tory blair
all internationalist owned blackmailed freaks.

From the days of Spartacus, Weishophf, Karl Marx, Trotski, Belacoon, Rosa Luxenburg, and Ema Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th Century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

winston churchill

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Dec 28, 2019 3:46 PM

Andre, you refuse to talk about Brexit, but that it the single reason Johnson won. Labour, working class voters who had never voted Tory voted for him for the time. It’s a clear fact, not opinion.

You are burying your head in the sand, and refusing YOUR, and others on the far left, contributory responsibility for Johnson’s win. You promoted Brexit as a great idea, to be supported by all working class people, to free them from the apparently neoliberal EU: an EU that allowed those working class voters enhanced workers rights, an EU which fought and fined Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple and many other US corporations.
Hardcore neoliberal EU? Yeah, right, pull the other one Andre.

But your argument won. People voted for the only main UK party who outright supported to “get Brexit done”. Now you have it, Boris in power, enjoy. Congratulations. How else did you imagine your Brexit could be achieved? Are you so naive or uninformed about British politics? So you got your result, now
don’t complain that the neoliberal, dual US citizen is in power.

***

Expanding a little, I’ve always maintained that Brexit, regardless of its potential democratic merits, was always a far right, neoliberal project and it could only hand them more power. I said that, sadly, the far left were deluded in thinking they could be a victor in a game controlled by the fascists.

Not only that, Brexit is intended to give more power to Washington. By the UK breaking off, it weakens the EU. Within 5 years the EU also risks losing Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Italy and perhaps others.

Divide and conquer is the US game. They will smash Brussels, but still own the countries / politicians through their membership of NATO. Washington will be the clear winner:

– Political opposition / EU Parliament removed
– A powerful competing currency (Euro) removed
– A powerful economic competitor removed
– A powerful proponent of workers and human rights removed
– Populist, far right right / fascist leaders across Europe
– TTIP on steroids arrives as the US-UK trade deal

Congratulations. ERG and the other neoliberal / neocon traitors will be creaming their pants.

Now, kindly take your partial responsibility for this outcome on the chin, instead of writing reams complaining at the appalling outcome people who like myself predicted and warned about. And then please consider making a New Year resolution to avoid writing about the UK, which you apparently know so little about.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Dec 29, 2019 6:09 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Putting aside (for the moment) whether Brexit is a good or bad thing for the masses, in what sense did EU membership “allow…working class voters enhanced workers rights” when it allowed the Gig economy and zero-hours contracts to flourish? I ask this question in all seriousness in the light of that truly disturbing film “Sorry We Missed You” which I saw yesterday.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Dec 29, 2019 6:31 AM

The EU Working Hours Directive for a start. However, Thatcher negotiated significant opt-outs for the benefit of British corporations.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Dec 29, 2019 11:51 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

If neo-liberal governments can negotiate opt-outs, then what does that say for the practical value of workers’ ‘protections’ provided by the EU?

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 29, 2019 9:18 AM

From my understanding , zero hour contracts aren’t used in most European countries as they are here, I was told in Belgium that the least people can work or be paid for is six hours, and as Frank rightly suggests the working time directive, which gives everybody covered by it 28 days holiday a year, so it will be interesting to listen to the idiots who voted for the slob next year when they go back to three weeks, remembering that when it first came in (three weeks holiday ) our caring and selfless employers stated to count bank holidays as part of the three weeks, I think the country has had it, I’m glad I’m the age I am (74 ) I’ve played my part in life as a shop steward, putting my family at risk three times , not being able to find work, the whole lot has just been thrown away in the misguided belief the ‘unions were too strong’ it went down like a fine wine, I remind them that we never won one national dispute, not one that’s how strong we were.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Dec 30, 2019 12:19 AM
Reply to  GEOFF

My perception: the UK endured neo-liberalism under the EU and will continue to be stuck with it (irrespective of whether it is in or out of the EU).

We’ve had the same anti-union propaganda offensive in Australia. Millions of workers fooled into disliking unions while wages stagnate, corruption at the federal political
level flourishes and corporate profits soar.

You’re right about ‘union power’ being grossly over-stated by our enemies for political reasons. As a worker, I had direct experience of how little power unions actually have.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 28, 2019 3:32 PM

Mr Vltchek – there was NO FREE & FAIR ELECTION.

Just an illusion- like the woman chopped in half or the Indian rope trick.

It seems that ‘the people’ think they live in a open, fair, democracy.

Not a theistic monarchic ancient imperial statelet – with a veneer of parliamentary control.

In the Empire- they have only once or twice been unable to control the outcome of a ‘election’

It happened in 1945 when the IGNORED soldiers Parliaments in their barracks of millions knew they were going to demand their rights to security- homes, health, education, pensions, safety net, decent jobs and conditions and fair pay.

The officers of the Empire could NOT control their canon fodder and too many had survived!

Ever since it has been a long term effort to reign in that true choice.

BY HOOK OR CROOK.

RobG
RobG
Dec 28, 2019 7:52 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

In 2017, Corbyn came within an inch of power (in the first past the post system it literally came down to a few thousand votes).

In the 2019 election there were record breaking queues outside polling stations. I don’t think they were queuing up to vote for Boris & Co.

Of course the election was rigged; but we will probably never be able to confirm it one way or the other.

Andy Ellis
Andy Ellis
Dec 28, 2019 2:58 PM

Just a thought, but what if the election was fixed ? Voting machines can be hacked.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 28, 2019 3:21 PM
Reply to  Andy Ellis

‘What if the election was fixed ? Voting machines can be hacked’ – so can the minds of naive voters given the shit they come out with on ‘Question Time’ or political blogs.

Corbyn, a dangerous racist who poses an existential threat to Jews: god give me strength!

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:05 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

As their enemy, but role model, Hitler observed, ‘When telling a lie, tell a Big Lie, because it will impress the plebs’-more or less.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Dec 28, 2019 3:47 PM
Reply to  Andy Ellis

There are no voting machines in the UK.

Andy Ellis
Andy Ellis
Dec 28, 2019 5:02 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

I stand corrected. I guess I have been in the U.S for far too long.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Dec 28, 2019 5:32 PM
Reply to  Andy Ellis

….however, although there are no voting machines, the ballot box contents could be switched or the Whole ballot boxes swapped en route to the counting point. There was apparently some evidence that this may have been done in the Scottish referendum by MI5.
There are also postal votes for which the same can happen.
So much for democracy.

Yr Hen Gof
Yr Hen Gof
Dec 28, 2019 6:12 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Further, the postal ballot is organised and counted by a private company Idox, which has strong links to the Tory party (Peter Lilley sits on the Board). I’d guess they also have access to the full Electoral Register to enable them to operate the postal ballot. Little problem in corrupting that I’d have thought.
Doubtless, that’s why Kuennsberg and Hancock had advance warning of Labour doing badly. That either they or someone else saw them and advertised the fact was a criminal act will doubtless be ignored by PC Plod.
Indeed, so much for democracy.

norman wisdom
norman wisdom
Dec 28, 2019 6:47 PM
Reply to  Yr Hen Gof

lileth
Kuennsberg insider pre crime pre count vote trading
and lileth
jane stanley pre crime pre visualized the controlled demolition collapse of wt 7 on the 9 and 11
33 mins before the event or sum such
those bbc boy girls whatever they are sure are ashkhanazi clever
init

paul
paul
Dec 30, 2019 1:43 PM
Reply to  norman wisdom

Norman,

You have a gift for wordsmithing.
You should publish your posts.
Like a UK Ben Garrison or a Nostradamus without the quatrains.

John Thatcher
John Thatcher
Dec 29, 2019 10:31 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

With an average 38% postal vote,the opportunities to fix an election are obvious, but as RobG says above,”we will probably never be able to confirm it one way or the other”

andyoldlabour
andyoldlabour
Dec 28, 2019 2:14 PM

Corbyn is indeed what I would call a “decent man”, but how long would he have lasted if Labour had been elected. You see, the Labour party is still a split party – Bliarites on one half, far left Momentum on the other.
I think the likes of Kier Starmer and Yvette Cooper would have ousted Corbyn within weeks or months, because they are blind, self consumed by what they want, rather than honouring the wishes of the electorate.
This is exactly why the Labour heartlands, full of decent working class people turned on the Labour party.
If folks think that Corbyn did badly, they should look back to Miliband and Brown in the elections previous to Corbyn’s tenure on the Labour leadership.
In 2019 Corbyn – 32% of the vote
In 2017 Corbyn – 40% of the vote
In 2015 Miliband – 30.4% of the vote
In 2010 Brown – 29% of the vote
After Brown’s disgusting remark about an elderly Labour voter was caught on microphone – “That bigoted woman”, many working class people realised that New Labour had left them behind.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Dec 28, 2019 5:20 PM
Reply to  andyoldlabour

Israel would have ensured that he had a heart attack. He had already been described as frail by a British civil servant. The intelligence services, police and military were against him so he would not have been protected. We live in a fascist nation.

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 29, 2019 9:26 AM
Reply to  Haltonbrat

I agree, I was surprised that the sudden death of Bob Crow passed without any questions, I wouldn’t mind betting his death was state assisted

paul
paul
Dec 28, 2019 5:26 PM
Reply to  andyoldlabour

If you take the 11 elections held over the past 40 years, I think 2019 rates as 5th out of 11 in terms of performance.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:08 PM
Reply to  andyoldlabour

Brown’s words weren’t ‘disgusting’. The woman presented in that conversation as precisely a bigot. Are no ‘working class people’ bigots, and do they tolerate bigots among themselves?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Dec 29, 2019 12:15 AM
Reply to  andyoldlabour

He wasn’t caught. It was a setup. Like his head in heads response at a RADIO interview later. And the supposed offer to Clegg to make his mind up because Brown had an appointment with HMQ. And the dumb post-it note about no money being left.
Brown was as NuLabInc as Tony and their charade of the Deal in a Islington restaurant.

A pig in a poke.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 8:49 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

His selling all the UK’s gold at $250 an ounce was another stroke of genius. We had a Brown here in Australia, Paul Keating. All the neo-liberals had to do was piss in his pockets, telling him what an economic genius he was, and we got Blairism long before Blair. They let the eejit have a few million in ‘business opportunities’, too, but not too much. He was just a ‘useful idiot’ after all.

BigB
BigB
Dec 28, 2019 1:28 PM

Andre seems to have had a bit of the Christmas tipple: and strangely morphed into me!

With a left-liberal bent: I think we might be underestimating the rejoicing the election result has brought. I live in the South Tory heartlands: where they really believe in MEGA …’Make England Great Again’. Which is positively Trumpian.

From an ecological perspective (what’s that?) – I feel as though we have moved into a ‘Neoliberal Endtimes’. There was something Christological about the religious fervour focused on the leaders. Which has the air of a millenium cult about it. Trump, sorry, Johnson, didn’t even have any policies (which appears to have worked in his favour) …except the praying mantra “Get Brexit done”. Then MEGA!

This is absolutely terrifying from an ecological POV. Our core business model is liquidating the biosphere and extracting surplus value from the rest of the world. Their humanity is part of our hidden property portfolio. One which subsidises BOTH political wings of the City.

“Oh, no it doesn’t” is as weak a response as the fading echoes of the last solemn chorus of “Oh, Je-remy Corbyn” (another cargo personality cult of millenarian hopelessness). That pantomime has finished its run. Before we get to the round chorus of “Oh, Re-becca Long-Bailey” (or “Oh, To-o-om Watson”) …I do not suppose I can timorously propose transnational socialism? Which is not a thing yet. Because we have never collectively considered the global class structure imposed by neoliberalism.

In other words: it is not all about us. We have a deliberate unequal distribution of wealth – imposed by all the Lib-Lab-Con neoliberal parties – but it is not as severe as the deliberate maldistribution and maldevelopment we have coercively imposed on the rest of the peripheralised world. That includes the Ecological Unequal Exchange that supports the imperialist core. Corrupt finance flows South and the unequally exchanged and extracted surplus value and materials flow North as a tribute to finance capital. We are a consumption materialist and pollutional bourgeoisie: whether we recognise it or not.

It is only be re-educating ourselves away from this parochial pantomime shitshow we can effect any real change. No one can be forced into a World System or an Earth System POV. But if this government we deserve is not a massive wake up call to any supposed socialist: I do not know what will be. There is another prayer that can be repurposed and given new meaning: “Think globally, before you act locally”. Only then can the horizons of compassion exceed these blood-soaked shores.

As the great political pedagogue Paulo Friere put it:

“In a situation of manipulation, the Left is almost always tempted by a “quick return to power,” forgets the necessity of joining with the oppressed to forge an organization, and strays into an impossible “dialogue” with the dominant elites. It ends by being manipulated by these elites, and not infrequently itself falls in an elitist game, which it calls “realism.”

Manipulation, like the conquest whose objectives it serves, attempts to anesthetize the people so they will not think. For if the people join to their presence in the historical process critical thinking about that process, the threat of their emergence materializes in revolution…One of the methods of manipulation is to inoculate individuals with the bourgeois appetite for personal success. This manipulation is sometimes carried out directly by the elites and sometimes indirectly, through populist leaders.”

Critical consciousness demands we abandon the bourgeois Eurocentric political system – embedded in the neoliberal market economy – and reach out in solidarity with the oppressed globally. And connect to the fact that it is the selfsame bourgeois Eurocentric political system that oppresses us that in turn we rely on to oppress the rest of the world. From that: a global class consciousness can emerge …with a new political ecology and ecological socialism.

Or we can put our faith in Long-Bailey, Lisa Nandy, Jess Phillips, Kier Starmer, or Tom Watson to do it for us. Which, personally, I would take as a piss-poor abdication of everything it means to be human. But what do I know in a country where 31 million people just endorsed another five years of neoliberal globalisation in return for a poorly syncopated chant.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 28, 2019 12:11 PM

I think you have it completely wrong Andre. In David Harvey’s “Condition of Postmodernity” he spoke of the “aestheticization of politics” i.e. the reduction of the Western view of politics to a pure spectacle with no economic understanding at all. Harvey’s specific example was that when Ronald Reagan left office, his policies were the most reviled ever and yet he was the most loved president ever. There is therefore a schizophrenic split between what people see as the political realm and the reality that supports it.

I am convinced that the majority of British voters see BJ as a fluffy posh oaf who strikes them as being even lovable! Corbyn on the other hand struck them as a crotchety old git. As for words like “communism”, well that’s some old system that “was tried out and failed and is now gone so don’t bother us with it!”. Meanwhile “capitalism” is the best of the worst etc.

And all of the above is worsened by the numbing effect of the mass media. I gave up the TV habit thirty years ago and it was like coming off a drug where I could see the pernicious effects afterwards e.g. how self-referential TV was. And when I venture to watch now I can’t believe how obviously manipulative it is – and how nobody seems to notice e.g. talent shows have been a staple of TV all the way back. Well – it’s cheap entertainment I suppose. Get the plebs to come out and make a fool of themselves. But back in the 70s I never could have foreseen the present glitzy, seamless, camera swooping, the snazzy graphics – and most of all, the constant zooming in on the judges/audience to see their reactions which the home viewer is meant to mimic. I’m convinced that, most of the time, the viewers are not honestly reacting at all. They are simply copying reactions from the screen.

In short, I think the critical capacity of the majority has hit rock bottom. Add to this a sense of despair – which, to be honest, I share – and you have a population sleep walking to catastrophe.

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 28, 2019 12:25 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I have hears it said on many occasion, people who don’t read ‘newspapers’ or watch the idiot box, are more informed than those that do.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 28, 2019 1:15 PM
Reply to  GEOFF

And a century + ago Mark Twain could say the man who can read but doesn’t, has no advantage over the man who can’t read.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Dec 28, 2019 5:52 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

What was so special about Mark Twain? Is he equivalent to the MSM?

Jen
Jen
Dec 28, 2019 7:24 PM
Reply to  Haltonbrat

Mark Twain, author of “The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn”, remarkably did a 180-degree turn in his political viewpoint during the wars the US fought in Cuba and the Philippines in the late 1890s. Initially he believed the US was genuinely fighting for the independence of these countries. He came to realise that the US was doing no such thing as the death toll of Filipino civilians climbed into the tens and then hundreds of thousands, and that the US govt intended to make these countries its colonies. Twain became a life-long critic of US foreign policy.

He managed to do all this without the advantages of the Internet, in an age notorious for so-called yellow journalism when news reporters were unashamed about being literal presstitutes and newspapers were no more than the personal opinions of their publishers.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 28, 2019 7:44 PM
Reply to  Jen

Indeed Jen, and see my reply above to Haltonbrat.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Dec 29, 2019 6:40 AM
Reply to  Jen

in an age notorious for so-called yellow journalism when news reporters were unashamed about being lite ral presstitutes and newspapers were no more than the personal opinions of their publishers.

Nothing’s changed then,

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 29, 2019 9:55 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Indeed. The brief period when the internet seemed to offer genuine freedom of info may be over. The net is now the new yellow journalism.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 28, 2019 7:42 PM
Reply to  Haltonbrat

He wrote eloquently about the common man and the poor, and didn’t have to fake his empathy.
See A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court for his brilliant smackdown of organized religion. It was on the Catholic Church’s Index of banned books, so it became a must read for me as a contrary minded teen.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Dec 28, 2019 1:16 PM
Reply to  GEOFF

Wasn’t it Mark Twain who opined that:

”If you don’t read the newspapers you are uninformed, if you do read the newspapers you are misinformed.”

That’s about right.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 28, 2019 1:20 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Twain also said:

‘If Voting Made a Difference, They Wouldn’t Let Us Do It’.

Particularly relevant right now.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 28, 2019 1:51 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

That too

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
Dec 28, 2019 9:38 PM
Reply to  GEOFF

I attended a Christmas party of (self-styled) upper-middle-class, well educated revelers who are “up on things,” all deeply into what Vltchek describes as “travel orgies.” At the beginning of the evening, in a little mutually satisfying discussion of politics, they were all expressing identical (MSM) opinions, eerily so. To express a contrary, or even mildly dissenting opinion to this groupthink would be to be cast to the outer darkness – to be quite obviously NOT upper-middle-class or well educated, certainly not up on things, maybe not travelling. Even non-political discussion is remarkably uniform.

This is now the norm in social situations. No exit.

Willem
Willem
Dec 29, 2019 9:08 AM
Reply to  nondimenticare

I agree. Yet, I do not believe social etiquette was different in the past.

People tend to socialize with other people with whose opinions they a-priori agree. Clever conversations are hard work, and also a bit scary, as you may end up saying something foolish in public as you hadn’t thought things through correctly.

So you play it safe and stick to the conventional wisdoms that are told to you by the MSM. It’s deadly boring, but find comfort that that feeling is probably mutual.

A way out of this situation is to talk about anything that is not discussed in the MSM. Your pet, your garden, some old books you read, definitions that nobody ever heard of, yet were fashionable years ago, your kids (if you have them) and how they surprise you, your family, friends and relatives, the surrounding of the house where you are socializing, the food, the drinks, etc, etc.

I do all this when socializing, otherwise I will be just bored to death. Drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes may also help you to get you through the night, certainly if you are not a smooth talker.

But at the same time, I am always looking for the emergency exit when socializing and from where I can quitely dissapear from the stage as a Houdini trick.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:22 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I can tell you that the Masters in Australia are still petrified by the spectre of Communism. Leaving aside the morally insane Murdoch MSM hate machine, the regime controlled ABC (staffed in large by Murdoch alumni)has waged a relentless hate campaign against China for years. While the racist, supremacist and Orientalist elements are plain enough, the concentration of the Rightist hacks, many from think-tanks endowed by Raytheon, Lockheed or the US State Departmentm is on the ‘Chinese Communist Party’, the repository of all Evil, Without the CCP the Chinese people would yearn to be free, like the heroes of Hong Kong.
The ABC has also been celebrating the fall of the Berlin Wall, including with a tendentious series on why the Cold War ‘still matters’. Presented by one of the hordes of US ‘academics’ who infest our universities, and so moronically Manichean and propagandistic as to be hilarious for five minutes, before the gorge also rises. It is now in its third airing, for our summer holidays, and that is unusual. Needless to say the ABC hacks ALL hate Putin, Russia, the DPRK, the Yellow Peril of China, Iran, ‘antisemitic’ Jeremy Corbyn etc with that 100% Groupthink sans even a nuance of difference that is such a trademark of our ‘Free Press’.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 28, 2019 11:22 AM

I see the man who promoted the bedroom tax, benefit sanctions, scrapped child poverty targets, scrapped the independendt living fund, blocked information on benefit claimant deaths and slashed PIP (personal independence payments) has been honoured with a knighthood.

Of course Iain Duncan Smith deserves this fabulous accolade but where would he be without the good people of Chingford and Woodford Green goose-stepping along with him every step of the way.

The 23,481 tory supporters who voted for IDS earlier this month must be feeling a warm glow of satisfaction that Iain’s important contribution to British culture has been recognised by his fellow abusers.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 28, 2019 11:46 AM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Sir Ian that is, joins Sir Jimmy and Sir Rolf? His contribution? Sir Ian Dunkin’ Doughnuthole?
His empathy for the ill who could not work was chilling. Although I must say, a knighthood was not what sprang to mind to reward his efforts on behalf of cardiectomised coupon-clipping Tories.

It’s amazing how people’s attitudes change when they themselves get ill. Not that I wish him a disfiguring, painful, relentless, cruel and intractably long illness, refractory to medication for agonizing pain, but he does recall the old Jewish saying “ May you inherit a ship full of gold, and may it be insufficient to pay your medical expenses”. Yes, dated, and yes, there is NHS but not because Dunkin’ Doughnuthole and his cronies want to keep it.

paul
paul
Dec 28, 2019 5:29 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

No, no, you’re quite wrong. ID Smith knew all about poverty and the needs of ordinary people from his experience of living in his girl friend’s 80 room mansion.

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 28, 2019 12:28 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

The bastards do it to wind us up!

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Dec 28, 2019 5:58 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

He added the name Duncan, having been christened Ian Smith. In the army he was known ironically as Drunken Smith as he was so boring. He had Lord Freud working with him who became a Lord for his work. Freud did same work for Blair/Brown who started the attack on benefits.

Yr Hen Gof
Yr Hen Gof
Dec 28, 2019 6:31 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

I suspect that Johnson has no more love for Smith than the general public, although they do have in common an affection for telling the most appalling lies, it was a perfect opportunity for Johnson to show his utter contempt for the British people by knighting someone almost universally despised (saving the National Socialist German Workers’ Party of Chingford and Woodford Green naturally).

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:25 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Rightists hate other people-the good burghers would be delighted, many openly, by the fruits of Tory class hatred in action.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 28, 2019 11:02 AM

I have previously pointed out the Hansard poll which showed only 42% of the British public could name the Prime Minister and much less their MP. MEP was ~20%. The response was not more education, or shifting gaze from the navel to the soul but to have Hansard stop asking those questions!

But the public could rattle off Katie Price’s incumbent“ beau” , who was next to go on “ I’m a celebrity…”, and the last winners of Strictly.

The UK is not modernized Masterpiece Theatre or updated Downton Abbey. Neither is it the incomparable British humour or BBC documentaries or dramas, or Oxbridge, all often its face outside it.

The disinterest in politics is understandable but is costly, leaving the public extremely vulnerable to power-broking media. And as long as that is true, the course of the nation will have little to do with public needs.

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 28, 2019 12:37 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

Exactly thats why they make football so important to them, they can name the date of any goal scored at any time, any transfer, but as you suggest, any politician, apart from Derek Hatton who would be etched on their minds for ever and people like Arthur Scargill,because the press ordered them to think that way, and they do.

Andy Ellis
Andy Ellis
Dec 28, 2019 3:01 PM
Reply to  GEOFF

Sounds like a very bLiarite quote.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 28, 2019 5:26 PM
Reply to  Andy Ellis

Ouch! You sure know how to hurt a guy. Which part?

Andy Ellis
Andy Ellis
Dec 28, 2019 5:47 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

The naming of Derek Hatton and Arthur Scargill plus the use of ” they ” and ” them “. Very divisive. The only thing missing was ” they like being poor ” .

Andy Ellis
Andy Ellis
Dec 28, 2019 5:49 PM
Reply to  Andy Ellis

As I have just finished watching Newcastle v Everton. 😉

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:30 PM
Reply to  Andy Ellis

They are working class serfs. The brainwashing machine portrays the working class as drunken, incontinent, ignorant, chavs. Ergo, the working class loyally in accord with Pavlov and Skinner’s insights, loathe themselves and one and other, and worship their betters. It only need afflict, say, 50% or so, and elite rule under ‘democracy’ is guaranteed.

Andy Ellis
Andy Ellis
Dec 28, 2019 10:45 PM

This working class plumber does’nt loathe himself or anyone else for that matter and as for worshiping his betters, what a cloudy view you have of people. I would be intetested to know what colour the sky is ,in your world Richard.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 8:52 AM
Reply to  Andy Ellis

So, you speak for ALL the UK working class, do you Andy? I wish.

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 29, 2019 8:44 AM
Reply to  Andy Ellis

What?

paul
paul
Dec 28, 2019 5:35 PM
Reply to  GEOFF

Football, beer and gambling, the preoccupations of the proles.
Maybe Bojo and ZOG will bring back venerable traditions like bread and circuses.
On secong thoughts, delete bread.

Andy Ellis
Andy Ellis
Dec 28, 2019 10:47 PM
Reply to  paul

I wish I could judge the ” proles ” with such certainty Paul. You sound like a great judge of character.

paul
paul
Dec 29, 2019 12:49 AM
Reply to  Andy Ellis

It was true in 1984 and is now.
With the addition of page 3 of the Daily Tits.

Andy Ellis
Andy Ellis
Dec 29, 2019 1:45 AM
Reply to  paul

Paul, your sage like certainty amazes me. To tar a whole class of people with the same brush amazes me.What if and its a big what if, the media displayed headlines that said Boris is ahead and then what if IDOX where ” economic with the actualite ” of the count ? Boris wins and nobody questions the result. Then you could free the ” proles ” of blame. The trusting classes would believe the end result.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Dec 29, 2019 6:53 AM
Reply to  paul

Bread is already deleted since the 1960s when bakers introduced the Chorleywood process that produces that dreadful fake-bread for the proles…the best fake-bread since sliced bread.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 28, 2019 4:09 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

The ‘power-broking’ MSM is an appeal to the lowest common denominator sub-class of the intelligentsia. The intelligentsia is always in bed with power given their socioeconomic status and educational background. The intelligentsia knows it is being hoodwinked every election so that strategic voting is actually the game being played.

Strategically, BoJo was assisted in the win as it was a team effort & superordinate goal of UK Finance. The MSM will now control the social upheaval emanating from that power struggle between Labour & Neocon factions so that UK Finance is help up as being paramount to goal seeking for all in the UK.

Finance wins every time as the game is indeed rigged for favoured outcomes long in advance of advanced polling. First out of the gate every time are the polling companies that blast the MSM with correlational data sets whereby the data is never disclosed so that causality is never determined.

MOU

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:27 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

‘Men fit to be slaves’.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 28, 2019 11:01 AM

To be fair it wasn’t an easy choice for the British electorate.

On the one hand they had a party that had inflicted a decade of austerity, asset stripped the country and supported imperial wars.

On the other a leader who wanted to provide free broadband, abolish tutition fees, strengthen workers rights and recognise Palestine.

Naturally they chose the former rather than the latter: so when they are writhing in agony on a trolly in a hospital corridor waiting for one of the dwindling number of health care staff waiting to attend them perhaps they should be asked, who did you vote for, and how do you think its going?

Even so the near collapse of public services is a price some still think is worth paying to ‘take back control’.

Basically we have all become Americans.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 28, 2019 11:18 AM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

… Americans. And the downward trajectory that entails. So America is voted the greatest threat to world peace (Gallup) and is loathed worldwide. Why wouldn’t one want to hitch his/her wagon to their shooting star?

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 28, 2019 11:48 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

Or the new Soviets according to Adam Curtis

Tutisicecream
Tutisicecream
Dec 28, 2019 12:01 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Yes Harry, Woke-ington Wo+man failed to convince Workington man and woman that the Labour party could deliver on Brexit or any other issue, given that it had been completely f*cked over by the Blairite soothsayers on the Brexit referendum issue. Oh and the anti-Semite witch hunt which proved to be a huge non-entity of a distraction.

Pity really as Corbyn tried to fight clean, but the Tories and the Blairites [the establishment] don’t play by the rules. Interestingly Johnson was handed the election by those now accusing Corbyn of losing them the election. Irony knows no bound and takes no prisoners.

Johnson as with Trump before him basically managed to portray himself [but this time with the help of the British establishment/ deep state etc] as the anti-establishment candidate! I.e with his “get Brexit done” mantra.

The right wing worked a real blinder wining with a huge majority and not even having to bother with a manifesto!

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Dec 28, 2019 12:34 PM
Reply to  Tutisicecream

Indeed – Britain, a place fit for terrified Jews to live in, now the prospect of a Corbyn led government has been quashed (if you accept the careful narrative developed by the Guardian).

Of course significant numbers will be damaged by real rather than invented threats.
The irony is the Guardian will go into concern-troll hyperdrive lamenting the terrible problems that will inevitably arise under Johnson, as if they had nothing to do with the tories electoral success by orchestrating a long running smear campaign against Corbyn.

All in all a very high price to pay for the lame-duck version of Brexit Johnson’s majority guarantees.

We are fast moving toward the era in which the average Brit will be embracing theoretical rather than real freedoms.

On the plus side the political equivalent of Jimmy Saville has been rewarded by the establishment for crushing the poor.

Rustbelt America, Soviet era Russia, take your pick – either way we are now living in a totalitarian age.

Tutisicecream
Tutisicecream
Dec 28, 2019 1:53 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Here’s Cathy Viners on Adam Curtis in 2011. Now the node-in-chief at the Graun. Clearly the Alog’s and their sponsors are in charge. And if not who is? Grossed out capital. The future of surplus labour. Welcome to the machine. Roger Waters is not now welcome, neither are other truth tellers.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2011/may/06/adam-curtis-computers-documentary

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:33 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

The Guardian unmentionables, particularly their coterie of odious ‘female’ Maenads, are truly the very scrapings from the bottom of the barrel.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Dec 29, 2019 7:01 AM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Inverted Totalitarianism, as Wolin described it – already nearly two decades ago.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 28, 2019 4:19 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Does this mean that you are finally willing to state that the United Kingdom is a third world banana republic just as the USA is now known to be in light of their $23 trillion in debt?

MOU

Willem
Willem
Dec 28, 2019 9:08 AM

The way I see elections is that its high heels vs low heels. If you want to want to change that system, you can, but it will not go through voting. It will also not go through violence. It will go through giving the good example: being good to yourself and be good to all around you. If everybody would do that, there would be no reason for politics. But it is all of us who should do that, and you should not allow shortcuts, like voting for a guy, who will take the responsibility for you to do good on your behalf, because you gave him that consent through a vote. True, individual people can make bad decisions with the idea that they do good, but others (those who are around the person) could micro-manage the mistake. I know this sounds Utopic, but as Oscar Wilde said

‘A map of the world that does not include Utopia is not worth even glancing at, for it leaves out the one country at which Humanity is always landing. And when Humanity lands there, it looks out, and, seeing a better country, sets sail. Progress is the realisation of Utopias.’

To be honest, I see this people trying to give the good example all around me, only not in the papers. So it may not be so Utopic after all, perhaps it’s real, only it is not televised.

The contrary idea that ‘man is wicked’, as Vltchek suggests, is a dystopia. And that Europeans, because of their wickedness, deserve a Bojo is black and white reasoning. I heared all of that before, in a time that ‘we’ were supposed to be good, and that if you were not with us, you were against us. It is all nonsense. If Corbyn would have been elected, we most likely would have seen just the same politics in the UK as with Boris Johnson. Because a) one person cannot change a system and b) all politicians lie, which becomes clear the moment that they gain power. Only until politicians receive power they look like humans’ saviour, as they have to pretend to be such, for gaining votes.

One way to disrupt the system is by not voting. But only if (nearly) everybody abstains from voting, you may get a revolt, as José Saramago explains in his novel ‘Seeing’. We are getting there, with voter turn-outs dropping during general elections in countries where there is nothing to vote for (like The UK, the US, France) and where they can easily rig elections, when the people do not vote for the leader where they ‘should’ have voted for.

Chris Rogers
Chris Rogers
Dec 28, 2019 8:19 AM

No disrespect to Vitchek, but anyone living outside of the confines of UK borders was fully aware that as of June 2017 the UK establishment went into Corbyn overkill, the Establishment being more fearful of a Corbyn-led government rather than a No deal Brexit – people forget that Labour were shy of 2000 votes in the GE of 2017 in becoming the largest Party in Parliament, from that time onwards JC was eviscerated in the MSM and by the Establishment whores who man much of the PLP itself, obviously, within the Rightwing ranks of the PLP Antisemitism and Brexit were utilised to destroy the Corbyn project with the pro-EU PLP majority threatening to split the Party (see T Watson’s threat of March 2019), whilst those very same forces were also at the forefront of the AS crap – Corbyn’s ultimate failure was moving the Party to a full Remain stance and grovelling to the Israeli Lobby – had he done a Bojo, namely cleared his own ranks for Establishment fifth columnist masquerading as democratic socialists things would have been different. And no, the UK does not deserve a Clown as PM, alas, this is what our dysfunctional voting system vomits us, and JC could have embraced full Constitutional change, which is another failure in my book.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Dec 28, 2019 9:05 AM
Reply to  Chris Rogers

Labour’s failure? Look for the enemy within. This ‘broad church’ cannot win an election since the PLP is the establishment Trojan Horse, and not forgetting that Zionist-front entity, the Labour Friends of Israel; a cabal that privileges Israeli interests above British interests and flagrantly interferes in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation. No-one should be surprised by Tory tactics and the establishment opposition, but Labour has been elected in the past. No the real reason Labour lost was that it adapted to the new neo-liberal order, and why vote for neo-liberal Labour when you can get the real thing.

After the 1997 election one of the first things Labour – in the shape of Gordon Brown – was cede independence to the Bank of England. This meant that economic policy was outsourced to the Central Bank in keeping with neoliberal policy. Just to rub salt in the wound Brown then sold off half of the UK’s gold stock. Incredibly he announced this sale in advance, which gave the speculators every opportunity to ‘short’ the precious metal, which they did with alacrity.

Then came the Blair years, more adaptation, more crawling to the Americans, pro-EU, pro-Trident, pro-NATO, and what seems to be an irreversible shift to the right. As things stand Labour has little chance of coming to power, precisely because of this enemy within. The enemy within is making a comeback, it was just waiting for such an opportunity. The result of the election was not just because of Tory and media propaganda, it was crucial to have its allies within the broad church. I hope the appropriate lessons will be learnt from this but I doubt it.

Chris Rogers
Chris Rogers
Dec 28, 2019 9:14 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Well Francis, we made a big push for Open Selection and failed, in the vanguard of this push was the International Section of the LP, but many of the CLPs also supported this push, that JC failed to embrace this, preferring the September 2018 Trigger Ballot stitch-up, also contributed to his own demise and absolute lack of real Leftists within the PLP post 12 December. Again, many of the buggers opposing JC, among them T Watson would have been removed had we had Open Selection. Instead, and as per the course, many CLP candidates were imposed, and this was the fact in Watson’s old seat, now Tory held, which sums it all up really.

BigB
BigB
Dec 28, 2019 10:07 AM
Reply to  Chris Rogers

The elephant in the room is that real power moved ‘offshore’ – to the transnational global governance of the corporatocracy – decades ago. The national government is not much more than a state bureaucratic administration …a neoliberal *Reichsgau* for the administration of capital occupation. We are occupied by capital, neoliberalism, NATO, and the EU.

At the end of the day: 31 million people voted to endorse this arrangement going forward – almost entirely without question as an autonomic non-mandatory response to their cultural conditioning. 10.5 million now want to say it would have been different if only sequence X,Y,Z had occurred. But it wouldn’t have.

The core inner logic of the neoliberal globalised suprastate was never in danger of being elected out. Nor will it ever be. That state has its nominal capital (it is actually deteritorialised) in the City of London – which is not even covered by the election. International relations and the global structure of the internationalise market economy are governed by finance capital created ‘offshore’ in the City to create a peripherlised dependency of resource cursed countries …whose wealth flows as a tributary system to support BOTH our major party polities.

Which is the best I can sum up the World System in a nutshell. Our party politics is subsidised by the coercive dependency of much of the rest of the world. Which Samir Amin called the ‘New Colonialism’. Almost identical to the old colonialism: but with capital occupation instead of military occupation. In effect, 31 million people voted to extend the New British Empire of finance capital in return for some blood money fealty. And 10.5 million of them would no doubt say “No, we didn’t”. “It would have been different our way”. No, it would not.

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 10:38 AM
Reply to  BigB

‘Tis true. And at the end of the day in a competitive global society – people will vote with their wallets. Other agencies will operate via bribery or blackmail. Has it ever really been different?

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 28, 2019 12:36 PM
Reply to  Rick

People will “vote with their wallets” if their wallets have, like you know, actual money inside. How do they get money? By working. How do they get a job? Ah well – that’s the whole problem isn’t it. There is a vast economic realm in existence before we even get to the smug self-satisfied consumer who automatically presumes that he will always have money.

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 3:49 PM
Reply to  George Mc

It all starts with being able to offer somebody something they can’t do, don’t want to do, or don’t have. You find the demand, and develop the skills. It’s not a big secret, it just requires effort. And you don’t have to be smug, that’s just what you want to think.
And when you make some money for all your effort – you’ll want to vote differently to how you did when you were a student/on the dole. I’ve been there, but I got out. I no longer hate people.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 28, 2019 4:03 PM
Reply to  Rick

“It all starts with being able to offer somebody something they can’t do, don’t want to do, or don’t have.”

No – there is a rich history of the development of society. Originally small communities did everything for themselves. The whole idea of “offering” something has to come in at a late stage obviously after the development of money. Also after the development of the concept of “free labour” and the “autonomous individual”.

“You find the demand, and develop the skills. It’s not a big secret, it just requires effort.”

Find the demand? As simple as that? What demand is “valid” in a society that already has more than enough physically and which therefore has been running on various induced demands emphasised by repeated propaganda known as advertising. And where does the single individual fit into this? In a highly advanced society like ours there is no longer much, if any scope for individual craft – there is, instead vast throughputs of goods manufacture and sold in bulk. The individual has no option but to sell his labour in a system that is already there. And don’t forget that the very viability of all these endeavours depends on consumers who, by definition, must have money and therefore livelihoods

“And when you make some money for all your effort – you’ll want to vote differently to how you did when you were a student/on the dole. I’ve been there, but I got out. I no longer hate people.”

I have been making money for over thirty years now. I am now more of a socialist than ever before. I have never “hated people” but I have always despised hypocrisy.

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 4:22 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Even in small tribes people need to offer and do something. Everyone pulls their weight by having a role. Slackers are not tolerated. Actually that is the best form of society, small and transparent agrarian communities where everyone contributes something. Trading between tribes has been around long before money, and it is trade and commerce that developed and merged societies from all over the world.
Well I guess it comes down to imagination. Let’s just say I know people who became tree surgeons and landscapers in leafy boroughs who now make more money than they did in the city. It doesn’t all need to be glittery mindless crap.
I work 4-5 months a year for society by the tax I pay… I guess that makes me a socialist. But I’m not giving any more away.
Good that we both despise hypocrisy.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 28, 2019 4:35 PM
Reply to  Rick

All of your concepts are predicated on the capitalist paradigm of buying and selling and its concomitant ego jousting. Primitive tribes are collectives which did not even have the modern concept of the self-defining individual. The very word “slackers” suggest a demand for constant production for exchange and not use.

Your concept of “socialist” is bizarre and seem to lend weight to the suggestion that you are American i.e. you seem to think that government of any kind at all is socialist.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 28, 2019 10:59 AM
Reply to  BigB

First 3 paragraphs…. Bang on the money. Excuse the pun.
The ship sailed decades ago, as you point out.
“There will be no end of exploitation through voting for a Parliament in which the ruling class always wins”… quoted from:
‘Fear and Loathing: Electoral Politics in a Capitalist Crisis’ @ Leftcom.
I know this won’t be very popular here, but I’m saying it anyways.

BigB
BigB
Dec 28, 2019 1:57 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

What’s popular is neoliberalism: by dint of the datapoint of its 31mn votes. And we cannot assume that the other 16 mn registered voters are communists or anarchists …merely the disenfranchised and disengaged.

Which hints at the power of the neoliberal Nomenklatura’s rebranding and marketing campaign. Leopard’s can change their spots. Quite easily unfortunately: by offering some social inclusivity and a weak promise to tackle the ‘climate crisis’ (which is itself a neoliberal semantic framing to screen the much broader ‘permanent everything crisis’ neoliberalism itself caused).

Neoliberalism clothed itself in hollow promises of national sovereignty; and the captured political parties were led by the WEF to the sacred magic money trees. And, curiously, he who did not pick of this fruit was duly elected. I’m not sure that this is not the largest mass hallucination of the principles of the ‘free’ market economy in history?

And thanks to old Attenborough’s best propaganda efforts: there is an almost lobotomised dissociation between our ‘climate’ bourgeois lifestyle as a causal mechanism of the global ecological crisis. Apparently, we do not have to do anything to fix it. Mark Carney and the neoliberal Nomenklatura will fix it for us. I’m left wondering if there is any functional critical thinking going on in this disunited kingdom? Not enough!

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 29, 2019 8:27 AM
Reply to  BigB

After 40 years of Neoliberal propagandising and marketing, I’m not surprised at the lack of functional critical thinking in the UK.
It’s the same everywhere, including Australia (literally a basket case of infantilised views) New Zealand, and of course the United States.
I note Mr Attenboroughs shows are shown almost weekly on TV here.
Will go and get a dose of gritty UK neoliberal reality tomorrow, as channeled by Ken Loach, and see Sorry We Missed You.
Outside is meant to be 36 degs. Sauna like.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 8:56 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Who says we’re ‘infantilised’? Just look at our brave ‘firies’.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Dec 29, 2019 10:09 AM

I meant the majority of people – those who lap up American culture, who lap up the sound bytes put out by the presstitutes, plus the dumbing down of the education system, plus the constant propagandising, plus the growing presence of the Hillsong type churches in Oz (looking for a saviour) plus society becoming more alienated and atomised…. A whole range of things.
I was thinking more of the general populace when I said it.
Bloody 41 degrees in Melbourne tomorrow. And the fires are still burning…

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 8:14 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

The moronic religious psychopaths are the greatest danger for the future. Lunatic scum actually looking forward to the ecological Holocaust, to usher in the End Times when all their enemies will be obliterated and flung into Hell, forever, by their ‘loving’ God.

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 9:22 AM
Reply to  Chris Rogers

JC does not “play well” with the deeper state institutions and he is anti “defence industry” so his fate was sealed. The anti-semitism smear was a key weapon even though most voters could not give two hoots – it’s a powerful connotation and ever-useful joker card to play.
He would also have made too many waves in a time of global uncertainty and almost certainly have crashed the UK stock market and hammered the pound even more. The Boris bounce was the market breathing a sigh of relief. Not that Boris has an ounce of his oratory skill or moral principles – in the end the strings were pulled via a concerted MSM hit job.
What it shows is that people ultimately and privately vote with their wallets regardless of what they pretend on social media or in public with their social/liberal virtue signalling. Quel surprise – we are creatures of survival, and self determination (losers call it greed) will always trump socialism. Is it for the greater moral good? Probably not…

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 28, 2019 12:45 PM
Reply to  Rick

Once again a colossal mountain of presumption.

“…we are creatures of survival, and self determination (losers call it greed)…”

“Survival” means survival of the community without which there can be no individual as presently conceived. “Self determination” is also predicated on a background of community. No point in being “self determined” in an empty wasteland. And that “losers” – oh how splendidly Nietzschean! Well it seems your entire “philosophy” is predicated on the notion of a community already there and waiting to be stamped into the ground just so you can show off your magnificent profile. How capitalist! Well – “enjoy” it while you can. Although I suspect you will just be cheerleading the big boys from the side trying in vain to gain some vicarious pleasure before you too get shafted.

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 3:40 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Nobody genuinely acts altruistically – it’s an act to get social kudos, another twisted facet of self-survival. Society is an emergent property of people striving individually to get what they want in life, to be slightly better than average, facilitated by trading lawfully and respectfully with others. If we all just smoke weed and go on marches against “fascist worker scum” then society will indeed collapse. The “left” can then pillage all the stuff they wanted without having to work for it, which is after all, what they really want. Just imagine what you could achieve, if you stopped finding excuses.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 28, 2019 4:14 PM
Reply to  Rick

God this is so dreary – the old Ayn Rand crud.

“Nobody genuinely acts altruistically – it’s an act to get social kudos, another twisted facet of self-survival.”

Would you please stop separating the individual from society. They are interdependent – therefore the whole mantra of one against many is already a fraud.

“Society is an emergent property of people striving individually to get what they want in life, to be slightly better than average, facilitated by trading lawfully and respectfully with others.”

You have already contradicted yourself. Society is an “emergent property” of individuals “facilitated by trading lawfully” i.e. facilitated by society.

“If we all just smoke weed and go on marches against “fascist worker scum” then society will indeed collapse.”

Veering off into Daily Mail tabloid fantasy here. Society is already in the process of collapsing and it has nothing to do with those stereotypical student layabouts. Society is collapsing due to collapsing social services.

“The “left” can then pillage all the stuff they wanted without having to work for it, which is after all, what they really want. Just imagine what you could achieve, if you stopped finding excuses.”

Still in the Daily Mail mode here. It is not the Left who are pillaging (as if they could). It is the capitalist class who have always exploited everyone else. And the Ayn Rand superman flourish at the end. What I want to “achieve” is to live in a fair society where those who are needy can get what they need. I am not interested in these pathetic little egotistical superhero dreams pumped out by the media.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:41 PM
Reply to  Rick

Projection, Ricky-crass projection of your own psychopathology onto others. Whatever gets you through the night…..

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 28, 2019 11:18 AM
Reply to  Chris Rogers

Spot on, I doubt there will ever be a Labour party that will give us the opportunity we had, Once an election is called the media should be banned from making false stories up and heavily fined if they do, as you know the shit about the IRA stuck in idiots minds, as far as I’m aware he never met the IRA , Sinn fein yes, but it sticks in their heads because they can’t red anything to the contrary, can you imagine the average voter trying to find access to sites like this?

paul
paul
Jan 3, 2020 12:11 PM
Reply to  GEOFF

Don’t worry, Geoff, Jess Phillips is standing for the leadership. She’ll sort everything out for us.

GEOFF
GEOFF
Jan 3, 2020 5:46 PM
Reply to  paul

That would be all we want, at my age it matters not, after the last result , I’m finished with it, if people are so stupid to vote against their own interest, how the hell are we ever going to win

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 7:44 AM

The basic fissure is between those who wish to live in peace and co-operative amity with others, and those who hate and fear others. The first let us call ‘Left’, the others ‘Right’. There are other concomitant features such as insatiable greed, love of violence. unstrustworthiness, gigantic egotism and indifference or outright animosity towards Life on Earth ever evident among the ‘Right’, and the opposite features on the ‘Left’. There’s your chasm-be ruled by the Right and you will end up dead, through austerity, obesity, ecological collapse or thermo-nuclear war, but put the Left in power and humanity might just last a little, or a lot, longer. The chavs made their choice.

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 8:25 AM

The “left” do not live in peace or co-operate. It is always the “left” who march in the streets and shut down cities when others are working. It is always the left who promote violence and trash buildings when their votes are insufficient. It is always the left who refuse the democratic process and call for deplatforming of any opposition to their monologues. By their own actions they expose themselves as true fascists in the correct sense of the word.
They just want to be the new leaders, the pigs of animal farm who will be far worse than what they seek to replace by force. It has to be by force because they cannot dialogue.
It is the “right” who are generally tolerant and pay the taxes to fund the laziness and mindless entropy of others. Support the left and we all go back the the ’70’s – we’ll enjoy power cuts every day, strikes every day, 60% tax on those who choose to work, and eventually drown in an unfunded bloated socialist quagmire like Venezuela or ossify in time like Cuba.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Dec 28, 2019 8:42 AM
Reply to  Rick

So how’s Life in your long dark tunnel Rick?

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 8:51 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

Life is good. I work hard, make good money and am self-determinant in relation to my personal efforts.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Dec 28, 2019 9:46 AM
Reply to  Rick

Ahh. The great American success story.
Sad that it’s all coming to a very messy end.

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 10:35 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

It sounds like you hope it will, which says a lot about you.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:44 PM
Reply to  Rick

One rather prefers to hope that Evil will perish rather than continue. Basic moral hygiene.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Dec 28, 2019 9:07 PM
Reply to  Rick

Truth is found through diminishing ignorance Rick.
Accumulation only adds to ignorance and hubris.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-8WYfHQ-Njk

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 28, 2019 11:40 AM
Reply to  Rick

Most people work hard, even harder under a right wing fascist government via their zero hour contacts, you are obviously a very selfish person. and if you are a yank , than that seals my case, anyone who doesn’t agree with you , or use the dollar throw sanctions at then, twist the argument about ISIS and all that CIA controlled shit and people like you fall for it, people who are working can afford to be ill, if you’re poor you die, because you’re all selfish and didn’t want to contribute a little so everyone is covered, I haven’t used the fire service . or the NHS but I was more than willing to pay for then in case I ever did.

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 3:15 PM
Reply to  GEOFF

Wandering arounds Sports Direct in a tracksuit is not what I’d call working hard, and should not pay the same as an engineer or doctor. So I’m selfish for self-educating, finding a career and net-contributing to society? Sure thing, Geoff.. you just keep on hating those who try, instead of cry.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:43 PM
Reply to  Rick

The legendary ‘Self-made man who worships his creator’.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:42 PM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

Rick rather proves my very slightly hyperbolic point. Compassion? What dat?

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 28, 2019 10:15 AM
Reply to  Rick

Self-delusion is a powerful thing. You never pulled yourself up by your bootstraps. Your/our generation had a once in a Millenium welfare gift from the state, the fruits of hard work and plunder from other countries…..economic growth and the great council house give-away which was then nurtured into house price inflation to buy the votes of the new middle class. Your children won’t get the same benefits and their children will get far less. When the crash came in 2007/8, you blamed Labour for “spending other people’s money”, the same Labour that bailed out the banks and gave us permanent austerity and let you off the hook. You deserved to have your benefits withdrawn then, you should have lost your savings and your houses but you were bailed out again and the poor were made to pay to keep you afloat.
While you think this travesty will go on forever and that you got where you are through your own devices just shows your delusion. War is coming, along with famine and ecological disaster. Economic growth is in decline and fake green economics won’t provide the answer any more than neoliberalism can be permanent. Your greed is your gift to your children’s children.

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 10:33 AM
Reply to  lundiel

I like how you think in terms of “you” and “us”. Tribal thinking is part of the problem of a divided society. It comes from the politics of envy and hate, that governments engineer to keep people fighting and not looking at the big picture. I did not make money through property or financials or any boom but through self-education and the development of bespoke IT products. i.e. hard work. Yes there has been an unsustainable boom in assets and equities and it’s easy to hate others for you missing out. And yes it is unsustainable and yes kids will not enjoy the same growth – but that is also due to a population explosion and globalism opening doors and increasing competition for everything. You vote for liberal globalist ideas and the world regresses to the mean – which means the West falls, the East rises. Perhaps there will be war, perhaps not, we may even see a green tech revolution – but at least I didn’t waste my life hissing and hating, but building and paying a LOT of tax so society can function. I am not deluded, I contribute to society and get on with my life and don’t waste energy in hating others and praying for armageddon to save me.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 28, 2019 12:20 PM
Reply to  Rick

Malthusianism and increasing competition, eh Rick? And you such a hard worker against the nasty “left” who have the gall to protest that they are getting shafted. It’s so nasty and violent to object and much better taste to simply accept the worsening of all conditions of life. But then again the only way out is pure individual effort – build your own empire selling the latest gimmicky crap to …oh but wait a minute, there’s nobody to buy ‘cause their all trying to sell their own gimmicky crap. Oh never mind! There’s always those bloated parasites away at the top benefitting from everyone’s increasingly expanded rectums.

Oh but I’m hating! I’m consumed with envy! Hold on a minute! I’ll bend over and lubricate my anus! Always look on the bright side of life!

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 3:20 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The actual conditions of life are not worsening. Job competition is increasing and the West is simply regressing to the mean. So how do you contribute to life? I cnahged careers 3 times to keep out of the gutter. Quit whining and do something. Nobody gets paid to do fun things and dance in fields of flowers. We all get shafted, just some of us still make a life of it. You think I like working, buttercup?

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 28, 2019 4:22 PM
Reply to  Rick

Both my wife and I work in the care sector. Conditions are nearing breaking point. There are people who cannot get the proper care and the ones helping them are almost in the same position. We are nearing the situation where the old are looking after the old, the sick after the sick etc.

I also have a disabled son whose care is now being put out to those shady third sector organisations – all of them introduced for the sake of that “competitive” model.

And this emphasis on “competition” was always a fraud introduced to facilitate a brutal race to the bottom for the majority while the minority milk the benefits at the top.

So you see, Rick – you are basically just a liar.

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 4:42 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I too work in medicine and my wife is a nurse. We have also worked in Europe and Asia. Our healthcare is outstanding considering it is free at point of entry, though it is still abused and there is much wastage in areas such as procurement and “management”. What to do when only 40% of the population net-contribute fiscally to society? The UK is also 1.8trillion in debt and most of us can expect to be means tested on State pensions in the future. How do other countries cope? Most are part-privatised as it is not sustainable vs population growth/migration and increasing life expectancy. I don’t see why I’m basically “just a liar” for working hard and being one of the 40%. How would you balance the books?

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 28, 2019 5:14 PM
Reply to  Rick

You certainly present a most curious hodge podge of off-the-cuff prejudices and reductions e.g. the sneer at zero hour workers as those “Wandering arounds Sports Direct in a tracksuit”. Presumably they “contribute nothing” to this society. As for “balancing the books”, well I can’t help noticing the matter of eight people owning as much wealth as half the global population. Do they “contribute more” to the world? As for my own case, there have been yearly reductions of 20 million to the council budget for quite a while now. Meanwhile we are getting lively little pep talk lecturers coming in and telling is about how communities can help themselves – without anyone even needing to get paid. Money, eh? Who needs it?

Your wife works with you in Healthcare “free at point of entry”? I hope you make sure that the ones you are providing health for aren’t “slackers”. Being ill is so unprofitable. And there’s this:

“What to do when only 40% of the population net-contribute fiscally to society?”

How does anyone “contribute fiscally”? Give me money and I’ll give you money – thus I contribute fiscally! Of course I need to DO SOMETHING first – bur who determines if what I do is “worth the money”? Don’t forget our little pep talk people telling us to work for nothing!

And we certainly can’t hope to sustain those eight people with all that dosh. Especially since “working hard” is increasingly coming to have less and less to do with money.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 8:17 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Yeah-ricky is a creation, a persona invented by some PR hack operation.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 28, 2019 6:10 PM
Reply to  Rick

What to do when only 40% of the population net-contribute fiscally to society?

You know jack-shit about economics. Everyone contributes fiscally to society. Everyone has value as a commodity from the cradle to the grave. Even criminals are valuable, they are the commodity that drives the criminal justice system.
Wow, just wow.

Mucho
Mucho
Dec 29, 2019 3:01 PM
Reply to  lundiel

This is real economics, a grand a week dole money. That’s the answer. Yawn.

Kevin Bridges “I’ve Got Mates Like Greece”

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 29, 2019 7:01 PM
Reply to  Mucho

Like Kevin Bridges is God? Money is an IOU, it can’t disappear, it is either speculation or assets. Yawn.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 30, 2019 9:44 AM
Reply to  lundiel

Apologies, it’s actually good.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 8:19 PM
Reply to  lundiel

It’s standard Rightwing pre-genocidal hatred of the ‘useless eaters’. ‘Ricky’, if he existed, would have been an enthusiastic camp guard, although low on the pecking order.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 8:59 AM
Reply to  Rick

You didn’t have to ‘regress’ ‘rick. You were born mean, I’d wager.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 28, 2019 12:22 PM
Reply to  Rick

I suggest you reread your original comment, it’s dripping with smug justification. Your bespoke IT products are just another service, at least during my working life I contributed through relational database design, not sales. Also, I’m not a globalist and as I said, your original comment is spiteful, wrong and stupid.

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 3:30 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Is it lundiel, or is that just your bitter hate projection? Why belittle my products? Pathetic. You’re just another hater. If you must know I write software for medical device companies. I started out as a lowly lab technician on hopeless money, then studied to be a software engineer. I changed careers and countries 3 times and took on a lot of debt through professional education. I now employ people and net contribute to society by quite a lot. What do you do? Quit hating, and get a life. If you contributed so much you should be rewarded – why weren’t you? Tell me all your excuses, and why you deserve more, go on. Life has so many options, people have so many excuses.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 28, 2019 3:43 PM
Reply to  Rick

Yes, I know all about people who corner the market with hugely overpriced medical technology. You’re still a salesman. Go and boast somewhere else.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 28, 2019 3:51 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Rick, the Tory “entrepreneur”. Priti Patel would be proud of you, maybe you can employ some of her countrymen on the cheap and become even more successful.

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 5:53 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Wow, just wow.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Dec 28, 2019 3:57 PM
Reply to  Rick

@Rick – Are you suggesting everyone in society can achieve wealth and security if they only try hard enough? Doesn’t the entire economic system require a percentage live in poverty in order for the ‘successful’ to succeed?

Rick
Rick
Dec 28, 2019 5:57 PM

No that would be impossible – I’m suggesting an awful lot of people who just complain about society can do a lot better if they try a bit harder, look at the EU people who travel thousands of miles to come here away from family and friends – and make a good living – and stop blaming others all the time.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 28, 2019 6:09 PM
Reply to  Rick

First, you are ignoring the Admin’s point that “success” needs “failure” i.e. the “successful” actually feed off “the losers”.

Second, what kind of world is it that demands migrations of workers and therefore inevitably produces unemployment wastelands? The logical termination point of this is to create vast slum areas – even within the “developed” world now that the whole globe has opened up to allow jobs to go to the cheapest workers. Another race to the bottom.

Jen
Jen
Dec 28, 2019 7:42 PM

Am I the only person here who suspects Rick takes his instructions from his supervisors at GCHQ? His comments about what he does for a living look so vague, one surely does wonder if they haven’t been cobbled together from a bunch of expensively produced marketing brochures

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 28, 2019 9:00 PM
Reply to  Jen

Or, he’s sitting in his bedroom wearing grey underpants and a string vest.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 28, 2019 5:03 PM
Reply to  Rick

I’ll try and be polite in the of your outlandish comments. Firstly, people like you and I are two a penny. I came to IT late in life and never saw deal benefits by the time I’d repaid my loans and cleared my debts along with 6 years in a junior position. I only started making good money when I went self-employed.
Your employment history on the other hand, reads like an all American success story….the guy who pulled himself up by his bootstraps, except as Marx said, that doesn’t happen. I’m guessing you had extraordinary luck, a great deal of help and really cool networking…..or maybe you’re just a genius tech-guy, entrepreneur, oracle, financier and the world is your oyster.

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 28, 2019 11:34 AM
Reply to  Rick

Is that some form of piss take?

George Cornell
George Cornell
Dec 28, 2019 2:57 PM
Reply to  Rick

Rick, believing things are black and white goes pari passu with wanting them to be so.

Andy Ellis
Andy Ellis
Dec 28, 2019 3:05 PM
Reply to  Rick

Spoken like a little bLiarite.

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 28, 2019 11:32 AM

Can’t see why anyone would want to vote that down.

Jim Porter
Jim Porter
Dec 28, 2019 7:34 AM

Did the UK get what it deserved? No. But then, it wasn’t offered what it deserved. You seem to think that Labour are so holy and the Tories are evil. Corbyn showed that he wasn’t a leader as he meekly agreed to anything the Blairites told him. Labour showed desperation towards the end and Brexit WAS their killer, just not the only one.
London is not the UK and is now like a foreign country to the rest of us. The rest of the UK gets a tiny fraction of the investment London gets and subsequently good jobs are thin on the ground.
Boris didn’t win, Labour (Blairites) deliberately lost it as they themselves hate Corbyn.

Jen
Jen
Dec 28, 2019 4:46 AM

Andre Vltchek misses a major part of the problem in so-called British democracy: voters are unable to get rid of the system they have because the system is self-sustaining with a rigged system of determining who wins which favours the current status quo that enables certain individuals and groups to continue dominating what passes for the political establishment.

The First-Past-The-Post principle enables a party with more votes than any other, even if that party has far less than 50% of the total votes, in electorates to be declared winner in those electorates. I understand that there was a referendum attempt in past years to reform the voting system in the UK but the choice presented to voters was restricted to a choice between FPTP and one alternative, instead of simply asking voters whether they still preferred FPTP or not.

On top of that, in the recent general election, postal votes made up as much as 40% or even 50% of the total votes cast. There have been many allegations of electoral fraud that involve postal voting, too many to be ignored. In other countries, electoral authorities discourage postal voting and prefer that people show up to polling booths to vote on the day of polling.

If Vltchek were to actually speak to the people who suffer under Conservative Party policies, rather than to those (like the academics and creative artist types who attend his talks) who claim to intercede for the British public on their behalf – a complaint I and other Off-Guardian.org commenters have raised about some of Vltchek’s posts in the past – he might come to realise that, however the British vote, and who they vote for, is not reflected in the proclaimed results.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 28, 2019 7:28 AM
Reply to  Jen

Thanks Jen, a very good overview with which I agree. The FPTP system was developed by the ruling elite of the distant pass and is surely out-of-date, inappropriate and undemocratic. Our society is an oligarchy but few wish to disturb the status quo because they are ‘entertained’ and distracted by those that know and in control.

Your assessment of postal votes is accurate:
“Postal votes – We found 38% saying they had voted by post. The Conservatives won 48% of postal votes, with 29% going to Labour and 13% to the Lib Dems. 41% of Conservative and Lib Dem voters voted by post, compared to 34% of Labour and 33% of SNP voters:”
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/12/how-britain-voted-and-why-my-2019-general-election-post-vote-poll/

The last PR referendum was rigged by the ridiculous choice of transferable vote. Britain needs serious revisions to its constitution and electoral methods but we first have to wrest power from the ruling elite before changes can be implemented. Our small group are adding to the cries of political transmogrification: http://harrogateagenda.org.uk/ and a short video of explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvJAmkSOuck&feature=youtu.be

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 7:46 AM
Reply to  Jen

If voting made any difference they would not allow it. It’s the brainwashing that gets me, the dull, pig ignorant, acceptance of your role as a serf scrabbling for scraps from the Masters’ High Table.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Dec 28, 2019 10:00 AM

You’re thinking of Rick, I take it…?

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 28, 2019 11:47 AM

I agree , if they put whips in their wage packets , they would walk out whipping themselves.

BigB
BigB
Dec 28, 2019 10:37 AM
Reply to  Jen

We were offered AV in 2011. After a very lacklustre public enthusiasm – in the face of the usual project fear – we voted to reject it with an abject turnout. Arguably: AV was no real improvement. But as I did argue at the time: it could have been a stepping stone to AV+.

As also argued: it was probably a once in a lifetime opportunity. I can only conclude that the UK electorate actually endorsed FPTP. The fact that they are not representative becomes a moot point. FPTP is the way we want to do elections: much to my personal dismay. The result of the elections can’t really be called into question because the methodology was also endorsed by electoral mandate – warts ‘n’ all, so to speak. So yes – including the endorsement of the electoral method – we did get what we deserved.

What is perhaps more frightening is that in the community at large – most people are cock-a-hoop with the result. I should point out I live in the South and my local MP is a Tory with a 26,000 majority. Whilst this is not representative: they really think we will “get Brexit done” and become a Churchillian great nation again. It’s ‘MEGA’ …make england great again. Depending on where you are in the country: you might get a shock as to what the people think and say. The system is rigged because it suits them and they want it that way. We underestimate Johnson by portraying him as a toxic buffoon. A great many people do not see it that way.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 28, 2019 3:59 AM

We do have the system we deserve/want within the context of nearly 50 years of propaganda and an innate certainty that we can’t change anything anyway. There was never any debate about Corbyn’s policies beyond a popular belief that “they were unaffordable”, proved that “Labour still couldn’t be trusted with the economy” and that they somehow rejected what was for many, the golden era of Capitalism fueled by the great council house giveaway, share-sales, buy-to-let housing portfolios, white van men/women, internet influencers, innovators and individualists in the era of never-ending growth as opposed to a return to the “bankrupt economics and social order of the 1970s”.
The awful reality of the world of work is never questioned. People hate workplace performance targets, job insecurity, low pay, laughable pension funds, working longer, being cast on the scrap-heap once you hit 50 and the service economy.
We never talk about foreign policy either. We believe that we need trident, or at least we accept the inevitability of it. We no longer complain about American bases in our country or the absorption of our bloated security services and military by America, we never ever question whether it’s right to be so completely in their sphere of influence, nor do we question the validity of NATO.
Lots of us don’t vote, we don’t I think, believe in parliamentary democracy. So, until those who do vote, decide not to, nothing can change, because, as long as they receive a few scraps and dreams are still seen as possible they will continue to take on debt to finance the dream.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 7:54 AM
Reply to  lundiel

Half the population is, by definition, of below median intelligence, many far below.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 28, 2019 8:27 AM

I prefer to believe that 50 years of introduced decline, the reality and urban mythology of how immigration affected communities, corrupt politicians of both parties from the bottom (local government) to the top (MPs), appalling education, the loss of community cohesion, intergenerational reliance on the benefits system and the black economy, the obvious fact that ‘democracy’ is managed, poverty and despair along with 50 years of Sun headlines inflaming smouldering resentments has had a far, far greater effect than ‘intelligence’ ever could.

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 28, 2019 11:50 AM

That is why the make football so important to them , because that’s all they can speak about, the opium of the masses.

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 28, 2019 1:54 AM

And there is one more ‘little nuance’ worth mentioning: almost the entire Europe is moving to the right; towards the racist, self-serving right

Which is the result of unlimited immigration of millions of half educated young males – many Muslims – looking for subsidies, easy money etc. allowed by Western Europe’s leaders bribed and shepherded by the Anglo-Arab oil dollar for protection racket in the ME.
Soul for oil.
The Anglo nations have only military hard and software plus finances to offer so to keep their currencies and profits afloat they had to prostitute…. their populations. UK “grooming rings” were the literal pinnacle. They means most Western politicians in power, “Left” , “Tory / Rep” and “Center”. Actual Facist “Right” is Islamism as in KSA, Pakistan or Iran.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 28, 2019 3:04 AM
Reply to  Antonym

You know, I used to debate with a self-declared fascist btl in the Guardian, and I have to say, his opinions, distasteful as they were, didn’t have a patch on yours. The constant sectarian hatred you display with your thread hijacking and flimsy caricatures has to stop. You don’t deserve to have your voice heard.

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 28, 2019 3:10 AM
Reply to  lundiel

You don’t deserve to have your voice heard.

Typical totalitarian mind: Koran raized by any chance?

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 28, 2019 3:19 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Or Marxist / Stalinist?

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 28, 2019 8:05 AM
Reply to  Antonym

No. I hate sectarianism and organised religion. Both are used to coerce people like you to further divide and rule schisms, especially pitting the working-class against each other and their own best interests. The fact that you don’t see this, or choose to ignore it, is very loud and clear in your simplistic narrative, that’s why you don’t deserve to post here. I have never called for you to be banned, it’s just that your arguments if you can call them that, are all driven by the pidgeon-holing of those you dislike and you ‘dislike’ because of programmed nationalism that you never question nor examine.

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 28, 2019 11:00 AM
Reply to  lundiel

Good example of pigeon-holing by you.

You prefer globalism over nationalism? Than you are in the company of the tax evading billionaires, drug kings, mafia, the CIA, the Ummah, and the internationalist Socialists.
No borders gives them an easy playing field: no referees let alone police or army. The laws of the jungle reign; bigger and badder will dominate.

You fell for Hitler’s deepest deception: calling his party National Socialist. He was actually an internationalist with zero social notion, which is why his armies ventured into Africa and Asia too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers_negotiations_on_the_division_of_Asia

Tarring the word “national”, which also can mean a benign cultural zone.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 28, 2019 12:14 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Not only are you unable to debate, but your comprehension is way off-kilter. Capitalist globalism is only trumped by sectarian nationalism which you have in spades.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:54 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Sounds MUCH more like the Talmud to me.

Jen
Jen
Dec 28, 2019 4:55 AM
Reply to  Antonym

In case you haven’t noticed, Antonym, your favourite country in the Middle East has also moved to the extreme fascist right and its middle class is fast disappearing with at least one-third of all families and nearly 40% of children living in conditions of poverty.

In addition, at least 60% of the country’s financial industry was under the control of just 18 families way back in 2010. I daresay the situation has not improved and would have actually worsened under the prime ministership of the fellow who has contrived to wreck the results of two general elections in May and September or October in 2019, mainly to keep himself and his equally porcine missus out of the courts on charges of bribery, fraud and corruption, and out of jail.

Yet your favourite country has done all it can to keep out unrestricted immigration of millions of half-educated men of military draft age from Muslim and other countries of mostly non-white complexion into its territory.

Care to explain how your favourite country managed to become fascist all on its ownsome?

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 28, 2019 5:37 AM
Reply to  Jen

Look at the neighborhood of Israel: hostile to non-Islamic people. Islam state religion in Egypt, Jordan, KSA, Irak, Iran.
Claiming already Jewish and Christian center Jerusalem on one dream of their prophet.

How did the UK end up with people like Blair or May on a island with open, friendly neighbors like Belgium, France and Holland?

Jen
Jen
Dec 28, 2019 8:16 AM
Reply to  Antonym

You cannot blame Israel’s neighbours for Israel inflicting crooks like Netanyahu and his wife Sara on itself for over a decade, for having high levels of child poverty, for dismantling its social welfare state or allowing a situation in which a small number of individuals and families hold over 60% of the nation’s wealth. You have to do far more to explain how Israel lost its prosperity and social and equality among its own people over the past 50 years.

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 28, 2019 11:27 AM
Reply to  Jen

I didn’t know Israel had prosperity around 1969; equality yes. New wealth concentration is a phenomenon happening in the whole world, even in Israel.

I am no fan of Netanyahu by the way- let him be imprisoned if guilty, just want the Jewish culture to have its own safe little territory like all others.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 28, 2019 12:43 PM
Reply to  Antonym

I think most of us would want that. Unfortunately, Israel wants greater, not little.

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 29, 2019 11:54 AM
Reply to  lundiel

Israel was 15 km wide at one point: in-defendable and you know it. Another one of the many crazy borders the British / French colonial powers left behind as booby traps in Asia and Africa.

lundiel
lundiel
Dec 29, 2019 12:23 PM
Reply to  Antonym

So what, not many people want to live there despite the best efforts of Zionists. There’s 2 million people in the Gaza strip and 5 million in Palestine. Don’t be so greedy.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 8:25 PM
Reply to  Antonym

That’s why the plan is to seize Eretz Yisrael,, ‘from the Nile to the Euphrates’, according to Herzl, and cleanse it of the ‘two-legged animals’. Israel is ‘defensible’ through its nukes and total control of the Western stooges, but would be even more so if it ceased being a belligerent, racist, fascist terror-state, intent on grinding an entire people, the Palestinians, because they can. If Israel had peace it would exist fairly happily, although it might like to cease being a world centre for economic crime, sex trafficking, human organ trafficking, blood diamond trafficking and other nasty habits.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:49 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Israel is the second most unequal society in the OECD, after its colony, the USA.

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 29, 2019 11:43 AM

As compared to Jordan, KSA, UAE, Qatar (royals) or Syria (Assads)? Lebanon an Egypt also have some billionaires https://gulfnews.com/how-to/your-money/egyptian-tycoon-is-worlds-richest-arab-forbes-1.2184597

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 8:29 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Israel is a rich country thanks to billions annually in tribute from the USA, the proceeds of overseas crime like the looting of the former USSR, and the profits from economic crimes like binary options rackets, major ‘white collar’ crime in the USA, ‘vulture fund’ blood-sucking, sex trafficking, human organ trafficking, arms and surveillance equipment trafficking and other traditional business enterprises. Yet that wealth is distributed immensely unjustly, even among the Jewish population itself.

paul
paul
Dec 28, 2019 5:49 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Yes, look at the neighbourhood, threatened by an alien genocidal, bloodthirsty, racist regime with a huge illegal nuclear arsenal gifted to it by the US/ UK/ France, populated by people who regard the rest of humanity as insects put on the earth to serve their needs.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:52 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Israel claims TOTAL control of Jerusalem, FOREVER, on the basis of religious myths invented thousands of years after Jerusalem was first settled. It is sacred to Jews, Moslems and Christians, but according to the Zionist fascists only the Jews count. Now that ain’t nice, now is it. Jerusalem had existed for several thousand years before the entirely mythological King David.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 8:07 AM
Reply to  Jen

The parallels between Israel and Nazi Germany are many, and tragically ironic. Both fancied their inhabitants as Herrenvolk, or Chosen People. Both ruthlessly oppressed others on straight racialist grounds. Both were and are aggressive and expansionist. Both claimed lebensraum, on the basis of their Blut und Boden, in the east coincidentally, as theirs by divine right, and the inhabitants untermenschen to be dispersed or exterminated. The German fascists claimed eastern Europe as theirs, the Israeli fascists claim Eretz Yisrael ‘from the Nile to the Euphrates’, according to Herzl, although others claim the Arabian Peninsula as well.
Of course the Israeli fascists have not killed as many as the Germans did, but only so far. The Nazis did not have thermo-nukes, but Israel has, and numerous Zionists have threatened to use them, even to provoke a nuclear winter, so the Nazis may yet be outdone.

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 29, 2019 12:00 PM

Get help.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 29, 2019 8:34 PM
Reply to  Antonym

The truth could set you free, otherwise you are, yet again, creating hatred for yourselves through your cruelty, arrogance and belligerence. By ‘you’ I do mean the pernicious and poisonous fraction of Jewry, the group most strangely intent on self-destruction in the world, I would say. Give peace a chance, instead of hatred and narcissistic self-delusion.

paul
paul
Dec 28, 2019 5:44 PM
Reply to  Jen

What is there to explain about the world’s only openly racist ethnostate?

richard le sarc
richard le sarc
Dec 28, 2019 7:58 AM
Reply to  Antonym

There does seem to be plenty of ‘grooming rings’ run by Jewish human beings like Weinstein, Epstein, the porn industry etc. Are you just as concerned by those? Do you regard Likud et al as ‘fascist’? Jabotinsky appears to have paved the way from admiration of Mussolini to the drive for lebensraum on the West Bank.

GEOFF
GEOFF
Dec 28, 2019 12:05 PM
Reply to  Antonym

No doubt an admirer of the ‘anti elitist’ Farage.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 28, 2019 12:24 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Ah once again it’s Ant and his Marvellous Travelling One Note Symphony Show! Take it away, Ant: “Oh here we go round the Muslim bush, the Muslim bush, the Muslim bush ….”

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 28, 2019 1:22 AM

BoJo is merely following the dictates of UK Finance that must decouple from the EU before the USA Stock Market crashes on fat tails. The USA is predicted to crash outright in Q1 with no possibility of extension. BoJo got the UK out of the EU just under the wire of Macroeconomic Apocalypse across the entire Western Fractional Reserve Banking System.

The entire EU structure was rendered unsustainable as soon as Bear Stearns was murdered on March 10th 2008 around 11:00am. Lehman Brothers Inc. was slated for complete financial destruction following Bear’s untimely demise, and the history is evidence enough that the United Kingdom had no chance of staying within the EU since 2008 September 16th.

The left-of-center granola crunching so-called ‘socialists’ in the UK have been sucking the hind tit of governance in the UK for so long that they have collectively forgotten that Labour in the UK has always been the very same liars & thieves as the Conservative camp entertains to mollify the financially illiterate amongst the throngs of intelligentsia that never studied macroeconomics in their entire uneducated lives.

The left-of-center in the United Kingdom is completely ignorant when it comes to Macroprudential Policy & Macroeconomics.

BoJo may indeed be an unrefined buffoon but he is at least financially well aware that the UK must decouple from the European Union before Q1 & concomitant systemic banking crash is unleashed.
Chair Powell of the USA Fed Reserve is trying to keep a lid on the macroeconomic contagion until Q1 when he will no longer be able to stop himself from giving the Wall Street junkies their next fix of monetary heroin.

MOU

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 28, 2019 2:04 AM

OK, so they go QE4ever; IMHO the Fed has all the firepower it needs to fund Repo and save the banks? Surely it was JPM forcing the issue when they withdrew $200bn and caused the 916 crisis? It’s very quiet at present due to holidays but I expect a mini crisis at the turn which will be dealt with.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 28, 2019 2:24 AM
Reply to  austrian peter

Powell has to continue lowering the benchmark to zero. Wall Street does not care if the Fed Reserve has no ammunition for the next downturn, and neither do the Wall Street junkies.

Asset inflation for Berkshire Hathaway & Amazon Inc. is not going to fuel the EU & main street USA. Main street USA has had no liquidity infusions or QE in the entire time the banks were bailed out along with the corporate world since 08.

Recession will usher in mean reversion either through deflation of the dark pool derivatives universe or through violent social revolution in 2020. The USA is equally divided between left & right orthodoxies which is analogous to civil war.

MOU

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 28, 2019 6:31 AM

Thanks MOU, you seem very certain and maybe you have reason to be. Sitting in this English backwater I only have the runes to read and they can be misleading. Being a cautious soul, I have battened the hatches and furled the sails ready for the coming storm. Thanks for the heads up.

BigB
BigB
Dec 28, 2019 11:14 AM
Reply to  austrian peter

MOU is right. Where I would slightly differ though is that there can be no decoupling. It is a globalised system, as you posted below. The City of London is the epicenter of global finance and effectively, a nominal quadrillion $$$$ derivative bubble sits above the City …supported by LIBOR. It is the transition from LIBOR that coincided with the repo market crisis. Whether this was correlation or causation – toss a coin.

The ensuing ‘not QU4′ is gasoline to a fire burning out of control. I don’t know if you follow Jack Rasmus: but we have been in an Epic Recession leading to a global Depression. It is not so much if, as when. Which I would not presume to predict. Rasmus put his money on this Quarter – Q4: which is not quite over yet – and MOU on Q1. There is a vanishingly small possibility they could sort out the repo-pocalypse …but not for long. We are indeed headed into stormy waters in 2020.

Which is the motivation for the greenwashing of finance capital. Which could potentially increase the financial base by privatising nature. Which would stabilise and extend the derivative and financial M-M’ money-from-money market. At the cost of the Earth.

Whatever happens: the UK is exceptionally exposed to the risk and moral hazard it has itself created. I would be even more forthright in my criticism: but for the fact I live here!

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 28, 2019 12:12 PM
Reply to  BigB

Excellent response BigB, thank you and I take all you say on board. In my book I do argue that we are already in recession and have been since 2008; the next step is a deepening global depression IMHO, although the timing is unpredictable, I feel that MOU’s Q1 is reasonable. However, I continue to feel “don’t fight the Fed” might hold for now.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 28, 2019 9:46 PM
Reply to  BigB

The USA & White House has already been decoupled from geopolitics & macroeconomic market share. Emperor Xi is now aligned with the Russian Federation for money markets & brokerages. Pacific Rim is forcefully under the boot of Emperor Xi, and King Trump is forcefully under the boot of Democrats led by a cut-throat Italian woman.

Everyone in the world can be certain that Nancy Pelosi will outwit the underclass opposition Real Estate scion from New York shitty. Pelosi’s daughter once said that her mother ‘will cut your throat without you being aware of it’. Trump & Republicans are out of their element with a woman like Nancy Pelosi I assure you.

Lawrence Summers postulated Secular Stagnation whilst everyone dismissed his arguments but we are now faced with end of cycle lack of stimulus & end of cycle lack of organic growth suitable for maintenance of EU block & USA states combined.

The USA does not want Russian Fed supplying energy to EU. Nord-2 is decoupling of the Western empire of Energy hegemony.

The Efficient Markets hypothesis has been repudiated since 08 Lehman Moment.

All traditional markets are now decoupled from dry bulk shipping to oil per barrel whereby Middle East is strategic hot spot between China, Russian Fed, & drunken meandering Uncle Sam’s USA.

My money is not on the USA, or Trump.

MOU

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 28, 2019 3:33 PM
Reply to  austrian peter

The ‘overnight’ REPO & Term REPO Federal Reserve operations is backdoor QE-4 swept under the carpet so that the bellicose buffoon of belligerence is not upstaged by recession pre-electoral gambit.

When you have narcissistic text book Psychopaths running the show to dictate terms of the Federal Reserve Chair, and fuck up Fed independence, you are certain to undermine confidence system wide.

Chair Jerome Powell is a PhD in math. He knows that the USA is trying to print their way out of debt and inflate the money supply.

The Duck hopes that you will buy his rhetoric and vote him in again for a second term so that his brand profits off of American ignorance which is a good bet on the Duck’s part given how truly ignorant Americans really are when it comes to calculus & general math.

2020 is certain Recession for EU & USA given the lack of real organic growth system wide.
This is why the Green Bonds & Climate Change pseudoscience is being utilized post-Lehman Moment 08.

MOU

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 28, 2019 4:17 PM

Can’t disagree with your logic, MOU, but you sound kinda angry. I was taught not to get angry, get even, but then that was in my Xerox days and it was the 1970s after all!

Happy New Year anyway.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 28, 2019 4:51 PM
Reply to  austrian peter

That anger you sense from me is deep rooted since 1971 when Nixon closed the gold window. At the age of 11 I knew this was going to happen to the world because of Nixon’s bad choice and incompetent marcoeconomic advice he received from his advisors. When Clinton deregulated Glass-Steagall Act in 1999 I knew what was going to happen, and I knew when it was going to happen too.

When Bear went down I was fully aware of it before the US Treasury Secretary was. If you knew what I know you would be gobsmacked.

The stuff I know is not for public consumption and is highly proprietary stuff of my own that was engineered by me.

When the NYSE blows fat tails I will be taking over Finance & Macroeconomics worldwide. I’m angry because of all the Black Money that was utilized to keep this rotted mess afloat until now. The QE era was merely Federal Reserve buying time with Geithner’s Too-BIG-to-Fail, Nail, or Jail.

When the NYSE blows fat tails on the worldwide distribution of stocks it is GAME OVER zero sum.

That’s where I make my entry to global power.

Very best to you in the New Year, Peter.

Cheers, MOU

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 28, 2019 9:39 PM

Wow, thank you MOU for being so forthright; I am humbled, but also encouraged, to know that at least one other person out there knows what I have suspected all along but lack the definitive evidence to nail my colours to the mast.

I was likewise energised by my anger at the effrontery of the EU, ECB and IMF when they literally robbed the general public of their funds on the 1st April 2013, in the banking crash of Cyprus – it has taken me six years of research to get this far – it may not be adequate having no inside knowledge of banking. My attempt to get even was to write a book in an effort to inform others of the risks inherent in our dysfunctional economic and global financial system and expose the bad actors.

I should be most grateful if you were able to skim my manuscript before I publish next year. It is feedback from persons of repute over the years that I have arrived at what I think is a likely solution.

Thank you for your good wishes, [email protected]

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Dec 28, 2019 10:11 PM
Reply to  austrian peter

I’ll read it, and feed back after I’m done, Peter. We are still on holidays so I’ll be reading slowly as I have to watch seasonal movies as well or I’ll get cyber-confused from reading too much over the holiday season.

MOU

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 28, 2019 10:20 PM

My grateful thanks dear Sir, I will await your contact and wish you happy holidays – I too have to suffer Netflix on occasion when the grandchildren visit!

Nick
Nick
Dec 29, 2019 12:55 PM

sad to see climate change denialism on here. On what basis can one say anything is pseudoscience except from a scientific viewpoint? The relevant science is climatology and it is far from pseudo. Try reading a basic textbook.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Dec 28, 2019 1:04 AM

Excellent summary of our disorder here in UK, Andre, thank you. There is so much that I could write in reply and add to your clear exposé. The key fact is that Britain’s voting system is rigged which is why we keep getting the worst of an elite coalition. The First-Past-The-Post (FPTP) system causes a minority government to rule. In the recent election 52% voted against the Tories, 48% for and that was after an extreme shift in loyalties.

A while back, we had a referendum for proportional voting, but that was scuppered by the choice of system, for there are many, and the people rightly rejected the transferable vote system proposed. So long as the elite in UK rule the roost, supported and controlled by the City of London, there will be no left of centre government here.

The Anglo/American empire will continue on it’s way until Herb Stein’s rule comes into effect, and it stops, probably with an almighty crash, and which I fear is not far off now. My book covers all this and much more. A free PDF is available on request to: [email protected]

If readers haven’t seen this video explaining much about the continuing British empire, take some viewing time, it’s only a hour of your day or night: