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Boris Johnson – Did the UK get what it deserves?

Andre Vltchek

For in a democracy, every citizen, regardless of his interest in politics, “hold office”; every one of us is in a position of responsibility; and, in the final analysis, the kind of government we get depends upon how we fulfill those responsibilities. We, the people, are the boss, and we will get the kind of political leadership, be it good or bad, that we demand and deserve.
JFK

I constantly receive such letters; letters which repeat, again and again, year after year, basically the same thing: “If only we would have an opportunity to vote out our damn system!”

Such letters, emails and messages keep coming to me from the United States, but also from the United Kingdom. Particularly, after certain events, like when the Western empire overthrows some progressive government in Asia, Latin America or the Middle East.

I honestly wonder: “Don’t my readers actually periodically have that proverbial opportunity they are longing for? They can, can’t they, install socialism; to let it storm into Downing Street like an early spring?”

But they keep missing that opportunity, again and again. Or, are they really missing it? Actually, for so many years they have voted in the most extreme forms of capitalism and imperialism, so one has to wonder whether the British voters perhaps truly deserve their rulers?

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The results of the British elections became so radical, so conservative, that even the most conformist British press, like The Economist, doesn’t appear to be able to stomach them, anymore.

Of course, I am being sarcastic, because precisely that the mainstream press is one of the main reasons, why the British electorates vote as they do.

But seriously, could anyone in his or her sane state of mind vote for BoJo?

Just put Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn next to each other, and listen to each of them for ten minutes, and it would appear that anyone who would vote for the leader of the Conservative Party should be ripe for the mental asylum.

Unless… Unless!

Yes, precisely: Unless he or she actually openly or secretly longs for those neo-liberal, deeply conservative “values”, which were introduced to the “Western world” by Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, after some wild and extremist theories that were floated behind the walls of the Chicago School of Economics by market fundamentalists such as Friedman and Von Hayek. And after entire nations, such as Indonesia and Chile (both of them now lying in ruins), were raped, tied up and then used as guinea pigs.

Unless the British voters really admire Western imperialism, and that notorious, legendary, sadistic hand of the English teacher holding a ruler over the fingers of a petrified pupil, roaring threateningly: “Shall I?” Unless they truly like this kind of arrangement of the world.

I often wonder: What if they do? Perhaps they do. They most likely do, at least many of them. The voters, I mean…

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For years and decades, many thinkers, writers and left-leaning intellectuals are, for some abstract reasons, convinced, that the great majority of Europeans are tricked or coerced into supporting that beastly, insane foreign policy of the United States.

They think that “were Europe to be truly free”, it would embark on a socialist path, as it tried, but was prevented from doing, right after WWII.

I never bought into that argument. Socialist, even Communist European euphoria lasted for only a few years. What followed was the abandoning almost all values and ideals for a series of orgies: food orgies, sex orgies, sports orgies, pop crap culture orgies, and finally the empty travel orgies.

Europe is living beyond its means, and is planning to do so, for decades to come. It cannot survive, and it doesn’t want to live without the brutal plunder of the world, or read, without the “conservative neo-liberal regime”.

These days, most of the Europeans support its brutal and unruly offspring, on the other side the Atlantic. Such support guarantees that the complexes of superiority will be pampered, that the working hours will stay short (at the expense of those ‘un-people’ in all corners of the globe), food cheap, and porn and sports free or almost free of charge (at least on television and computer screens).

So, basically, we are talking a clear status quo, which in turn is almost synonymous with the “conservative values”.

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The Economist went mental, commenting on the elections in its leading story “Britain’s nightmare before Christmas”. And that was even before the results were announced.

Predictably, it trashed Mr. Corbyn and his “bankrupt views” (among them his refusal to antagonize, loot and provoke Venezuela, Iran and Russia), but then it went after BoJo’s throat:

Brexit is not the only problem with Mr. Johnson’s new-look Tories. He has purged moderates and accelerated the shift from an economically and socially liberal party into an economically interventionist and culturally conservative one. Angling for working-class, Leave-voting seats in the north, he has proposed extra state aid, buy-British government procurement and a sketchy tax-and-spending plan that does not add up. Also, he has absorbed the fatal lesson of the Brexit campaign: that there is no penalty for lying or breaking the rules. He promised not to suspend Parliament, then did: he promised not to extend the Brexit talks, then did. This chicanery corrodes trust in democracy… For all these reasons this newspaper cannot support the Conservatives.”

How truly heartbreaking!

Deep drift inside the conservative world?

Not really. Boris Johnson simply broke some rules. He showed himself as unreliable, vulgar and embarrassing. He did it all in public. These things are never forbidden, at least not in the U.K. Racism, even sexual crimes, are fine there, as long as they are kept behind closed doors.

Well-camouflaged lies are perfectly fine, too, no matter which party leaders utter them, be it Thatcher or Blair.

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But back to voting and the British nation.

To simplify everything: Jeremy Corbyn is a decent man. Not perfect, but decent. It is obvious. He is a person who cares about his fellow citizens. He also cares about those billions, in all corners of the Earth, who have been robbed and brutalized by the Western empire (of which the U.K. is, undeniably, an indispensable part).

Look at Boris Johnson and you get the opposite. And it is not a state secret. I have many friends in the U.K., and a great majority would confirm that he is an upsetting buffoon, if not something much more terrible.

Mr. Corbyn is true Labour. He is trying to reverse what all of us know is taking place: that the U.K. has sunk so low, and many of its children are literally starving. Its social system has collapsed under the right-wing (in the past, both Conservative and “New Labor”) governments. That British citizens cannot afford to live in their own cities, anymore. That both education and medical care, as well as infrastructure, are crumbling, in fact going to the dogs.

He wants to stop the despicable suffering of the millions of victims of the Western reign, in all parts of the Earth.

Of course, these facts would never appear in the pages of The Economist.

Boris Johnson does not give a flying fuck about the issues mentioned above. He is on the stage. Since his youth, he has always been playing and acting, as well as self-promoting. He is perhaps the most embarrassing figure in British politics.

And yet… And yet. Perhaps Corbyn’s humanism is his biggest weakness. At least in Europe, particularly in the U.K.

As The New York Times reported:

As votes were counted on Friday, the Conservatives were projected to win 364 seats in the House of Commons, versus 203 for the Labor Party, according to the BBC, with almost all of Parliament’s seats decided. That would give the Conservatives about a 75-seat majority, their largest since that amassed by Margaret Thatcher in 1987.”

That is clear message where the public stands, isn’t it?

Of course, I know that soon, my friends and comrades will begin to read into the outcome of the elections: that only a fraction of the population voted. That people were confused. That the mass media manipulated the entire narrative. And many arguments of this nature.

And I am sure that they will be correct.

However, the United Kingdom voted, and these are terribly, outrageous results.

People voted for the most extreme, shameless type of neo-liberalism. They voted for a brigand type of imperialism, neo-colonialism and racism.

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My personal observations do not matter, but I’d like to add them, nevertheless.

I come to London at least twice a year. Almost all my visits are work, or “struggle-related”. I am interviewed there, I show my films, promote my books, or speak at the universities.

I used to enjoy my visits. But not anymore.

There is terrible tension in the air. People have become impolite, even aggressive.

As a Russian, I am constantly challenged. Even my very slight accent provokes immediate questions “where am I from?” When I reply, what follows are often direct provocations.

My Chinese friends report much graver abuses.

London is not at peace with itself, that is certain.

I have written about Brexit on several occasions, and as a matter of principle, I refuse to do it in this essay.

Lately, everything is being explained and justified by Brexit.

I don’t believe that it could be. Doing so is a gross simplification.

Perhaps the West is truly an anti-socialist, anti-Communist entity. Perhaps that is why it keeps overthrowing left-wing governments, all over the world. Perhaps that is why it keeps voting in the most unsavory individuals one could imagine.

Perhaps the U.K. deserves the rulers it gets.

There is one little nuance which is being constantly overlooked: the U.K. is not really against Labour. Remember Tony Blair, a closet Thatcherite, and a man who served as an advisor to the murderous Paul Kagame, President of Rwanda, responsible for millions of lost lives in the Democratic Republic of Congo? Blair is also a man responsible for hundreds of thousands of the lost human lives in the Middle East. Remember? Well, he was so-called “New Labour”. But that was obviously just fine, as far as the British voters were concerned.

And there is one more ‘little nuance’ worth mentioning: almost the entire Europe is moving to the right; towards the racist, self-serving right. And it is not only Europe which wants to stay in the EU, or Europe which desires to leave the bloc. Both parts are heading in a similar direction.

Perhaps, after all, the voters deserve their leaders!

Right-wing “leaders” are thriving. While rationality, decency and kindness are kicking the bucket in agony.

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First published by NEO – New Eastern Outlook – a journal of the Russian Academy of Sciences

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paul
paul

This site is knackered again.
It’s completely f****ed.

Maria
Maria

The Tory landslide was a great relief to the majority of the country The amount of money Corbyn was going to borrow was eyewateringly scary We have hopefully unentwined ourselves from the shackles of the EU and stopped the rot before it’s too late and Boris was the man for the job whether we like him or not Being in a Socialist Britain under a Marxist Corbyn goevernment and a member of the EU Superstate would have been too much to bare and thank goodness it never materialized The British people stood up for their sovereignity and freedom and I hope we will be a beacon of light for other Nations that have gone astray like Sweden

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Such delicious idiocy. I am so looking forward to Little Britain and all the Diminutive Britons getting their long, long, overdue comeuppance, if only for the looting of India, Africa and China under the Empire. Sweden is hard Right, too, long gone from socialism, but your type don’t do facts, do you.

Maria
Maria

Happy New Year and I know it’s painful for you disillusioned lefties Nationalists in Sweden are now challenging the liberals as it becomes apparent that multi culturalism doesn’t work Check out Sanity4Sweden on you tube

paul
paul

Yes, but think of all the cultural enrichment, M.
Well worth a welfare bill of E40 billion and a bit of mass rape and beheading.
You have to weigh up all the pros and cons.

Maria
Maria

Just a pipedream now thank goodness The British people weighed it up and obviously didn’t have the stomach for it

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The racists, xenophobes, imbeciles, greed-heads and all-round ignoramuses among the English people, don’t you mean?

Maria
Maria

You sound like Hilary Clinton Trust the satanic, paedophile psychopaths who want to rule us and feel bad about yourself for wanting freedom, sovereignty and preservation of our culture

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Dear me-the Islamophobe racists getting together. You’ll need a room, soon.

Maria
Maria

Cancers need to be removed Mohammad was a false prophet and so therefore should not be a significant part of our culture Check out Apostate Prophet videos on you tube

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Gee-you’re a racist, too. Who would have thought it?

Maria
Maria

Accusing anyone who disagrees with you as being a racist is becoming a joke A tool to control the narrative and making people scared to speak out

paul
paul

Heil Boris! Heil Boris!! Heil “I Am A Fervent Zionist” Boris!!!
Get your Bullingdon Club badges here!

Maria
Maria

He is also anti Russian, pro gmo’s and pro White Helmets and doesn’t seem to be doing much for Julian Assange However voting for Corbyn wasn’t an option as far as I was concerned The Russiagate and the “Russian threat” narrative I hope will become more reasonable and we will regard Russia as a trading partner rather than a nuke target

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Corbyn is one of the finest people in the Westminster sewer, a life-long anti-racist and humanitarian. I can see why you found him unpalatable.

Maria
Maria

Yes and he watches the Queen’s speech in the morning , changes lifelong voting habits and would not be a safe pair of hands to be in charge of the economy Asked where he would get billions from that hadn’t been mentioned in the manifesto and he says government reserves That’s why people are afraid of him being in power it would be the same old story of the Tories having to sort out the mess in 5 years time

Anthony Matthews
Anthony Matthews

Like most of what you say that’s rubbish, Maria. Since 1955, when they were first measured, there have been 14 recessions and contractions (by year or quarter) and 10 of them occurred under Tory governments. How about you let that sink in?

George Mc
George Mc

And that glorious beacon of light is already shining Maria. With the continuing collapse of those nasty evil Marxist public services and the growth of those wondrously liberating zero hour gig economy jobs, the British people are finally getting rid of all that Satanic health so that through the divine hallucination of starvation and disease they can now see the glowing backside of their creator shitting out his marvellous uplifting turds of freedom on them. My disabled son is also feeling the magnificent effects of this calling from above and is on the verge of jumping out of his wheelchair. Halleluiah! Give it another two weeks and we’ll all be ‘Mericans!

Maria
Maria

It wasn’t all Labour’s fault for the recession back in 2008 but a global financial crisis but I think Blair/Brown’s policies like deregulation of banks probably didn’t help They left us in 2010 broke and handed the country over to the Tories to sort it out So what do you do Borrowing more is out of the question Having to cut public spending and trying to redress the situation was the only option on the table Even so we are still heading for a £ trillion national debt which is increasing by £5107 per second Anyone can see that Corbyn’s economic plans of borrowing billions more would end in disaster where the poor and disabled would be worse off because of an economy on life support

Maria
Maria

That’s £3 trillion Check out the national debt clock

George Mc
George Mc

And how interesting that you bring up that bank bailout. That bailout was a fascinating giveaway. Even capitalist apologists have admitted that it went against capitalist ideology. And that little aberration is an interesting insight into what happens when the capitalist system fails the “wrong ones” i.e. that they will do anything necessary to bail themselves out.

Now even assuming that all your other remarks are – ahem! – consistent with the capitalist mantra, it is interesting what this all really means to the vast majority. And it clearly means sinking into a horror from which they will not emerge. The question as to “who is to blame” will of course be referred to the capitalist economists who will generate the noises needed to justify whoever benefits.

But the fact that the banks HAD to be bailed out is evidence that the system doesn’t work according to its own principles. It is a rigged game. And so all the reasonable sounding rhetoric about “what must be done”, “what is on the table”, “the only option” etc. is just a pack of lies.

Maria
Maria

I’ve just got a book which looks into “the toxic internal culture and the ‘light touch’ regulatory regime that gave rise to RBS/NatWest’s near collapse” It’s called Shredded by Ian Fraser Looks like a fascinating read of about 600 pages

George Mc
George Mc

“It wasn’t all Labour’s fault for the recession back in 2008 but a global financial crisis but I think Blair/Brown’s policies like deregulation of banks probably didn’t help They left us in 2010 broke and handed the country over to the Tories to sort it out”

Labour = Tories ever since Blair got in. (Thatcher herself said so.) The dual party model has been an illusion ever since. The oddity of Corbyn is that he was the first Labour leader in 40 years that actually represented Old Labour. Clearly that was not going to happen. Think of him as a brief hiccup from the 70s that was quickly dealt with.

“So what do you do Borrowing more is out of the question”

It’s very interesting to talk about what is “out of the question”. It should have been “out of the question” for those banks to make off with 3 trillion of OUR money. They didn’t think at all about just making off with it.

“Having to cut public spending and trying to redress the situation was the only option on the table”

It’s another interesting question to muse on what is “the only option on the table”. How about getting those banks to pay back? How about cutting the obscene amounts getting piled into “defense” i.e. developing ways of killing increasingly large numbers of people? How about more tax on the equally obscene amounts raked in by the rich? How about scrapping the surveillance systems? How about scrapping the endless amounts churned out on media propaganda? How about refusing to wipe royal arses?

“Even so we are still heading for a £ trillion national debt which is increasing by £5107 per second”

Well precisely. It is clear that this is a rigged game that “we” i.e. the real we cannot possibly win.

“Anyone can see that Corbyn’s economic plans of borrowing billions more would end in disaster where the poor and disabled would be worse off because of an economy on life support”

It is becoming increasingly apparent that the poor and disabled are doomed anyway, that the whole intention of the one-party neoliberal order was to wreck the public services and send us back to the days of untrammelled capitalism i.e. the Dickensian working conditions. Capitalism “with a friendly face” is no longer “viable” i.e. it cannot continue to offer any concessions at all to the vast majority of the population.

But in the meantime “we” will scratch our heads and tug our hair over what “we” can do, about what is “sustainable”, “efficient”, “affordable” and all those other magic expressions of capitalist necromancy.

George Mc
George Mc

Sorry – my block quoting seems to have gone awry there. I hope it’s clear what I meant.

Maria
Maria

At least you were aware of the facility unlike me lol

Maria
Maria

There were defence cuts along with everything else When the higher earners decide they are being taxed too much they go off abroad like The Rolling Stones did in the 70’s Trouble with that is the tax revenue dwindles and there are problems financing the Socialist state

George Mc
George Mc

There is no socialist state. The state is there to protect capitalism. And the capitalist system is facing a transformation through which neither the UK nor the US will be able to offer the concessions that we have enjoyed up till now i.e. the services necessary to an actual civilised nation are no longer congruent with the profit maximisation needed by capital.

We always hear about how various services are “unaffordable” and these are inevitably services for healthcare, education etc. We never hear about other “services” like defense, financing royal and sporting events – and of course bailing out banks. For the latter services, there is always enough money.

Maria
Maria

No there isn’t a Socialist state because labour lost the election As I have already mentioned we will have to wait and see how the next 5 years pans out with the extra money that has been allocated to health care and education As I said before there have been cuts in Defence to the extent that some people thought they were trying to make us so run down militarily with the effect of us wanting to stay in the EU Might be something in it I don’t know but May made considerable moves to keep us in a military unification with them and that was after the referendum hence the name Treason Mayhem There was no choice but to bail out the banks because like the note the Tories got when they came into power in 2010 that there was no money, we would have found the same thing when we stuck our cards into the holes in the wall I agree about the Royals The cost of their weddings etc is obscene The world government they want to bring in will be Socialist and there will indeed be changes but the elites will still enjoy their lavish lifestyles It’ll just be us that are poorer

George Mc
George Mc

“No there isn’t a Socialist state because labour lost the election”

Seriously? It’s as simple as that? “Labour” = Socialist? Umm…I’m just going to go away now (after I can find my jaw) ….

Maria
Maria

Perhaps Corbynism = Socialism would be more accurate

George Mc
George Mc

Yes “Corbynism” would be the definition of Socialism as it existed under old i.e. real Labour. But that chapter has clearly come to an end. As I said above, Corbyn was an unexpected blimp on the radar of mainstream politics which has been pretty monolithic since Blair came along at the helm of something called “New Labour”. The concessions that marked the old “collective bargaining” model are no longer “feasible” under the neoliberal paradigm. Thatcher is the one usually blamed for this – but it goes back before her. Jim Callaghan had already told the TUC that “the party is over”. (Looking back now – it seems he meant the “party” in more ways than one!)

Maria
Maria

I suppose it’s all about balance and not going too far one way or another Extinction Rebellion went too far when that guy protested on the tube train which was the means in which people got to work Disrupters and rent a mob had to go and somehow or other we went from being the sick man of Europe to 5th largest economy in the world

Maria
Maria

George Galloway talks to an American journalist on how he sees the political situation and how the parties seem to have swapped places or as he puts it indulged in cross dressing https://youtu.be/hsRlUSKup98

Maria
Maria

Socialists like there surveillance systems too as we remember from the Soviet era It’s not just the government though is it It’s the deep state that is always there and I think it’s interesting to see what Dominic Cummings’s plan is to reform the Civil Service We do understand that our politicians are really just puppets which became very clear with the Maybot I think Jeremy is a puppet as well and George Galloway has done a good video on where he went wrong

Maria
Maria

Well in 5 years time we will know how it went I see Sir Keir Starmer is in the running for PM He’s a member of the Trilateral Commission A tentacle of the world government agenda

Anthony Matthews
Anthony Matthews

It’s nice that you’re so concerned about the poor and the disabled, Maria. Even if it does tend to run counter to what’s actually happening under the Tories. The British Medical Journal has associated the deaths of 120,000 vulnerable people with Tory austerity policies since 2010. No doubt it’s gone up a bit since then though. Happy days, eh?

George Mc
George Mc

Oh it’s New Year and we don’t want to be negative …however, I just caught a bit of a Scottish comedy show called “Only An Excuse” in which we get swipes at Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn. We get both mocked – so it’s “balanced”. However BJ gets the cliched “he’s so stupid!” sneer while we hear that JC is probably not suitable for Bar Mitzvahs. Which is more damaging? And so the Labour/anti-Semitism is once again displayed as part of the “media furniture”, a blandly presupposed “fact” which “everyone knows”.

No – this is not an example of a conspiracy that everyone is “in on”. But it does show the effects of a belligerently co-ordinated smear campaign and of how its effects have become absorbed into the general media landscape. This is how Corbyn will be remembered – by the representational grid of the media.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The fraudulent ‘antisemitism’ slur is being universalised as a weapon, for the Right, to be used against the Left. And if the Left all prove as spineless as Corbyn, they will be destroyed, because these creatures are ruthless, relentless and driven by the real ‘Oldest Hatred’, that of Judaism for those not of their ilk.

George Mc
George Mc

The anti-Semitism slur will be compulsively trotted out because the Nazi/Holocaust/Genocide of Jews has been the most powerful Pavlovian response grid known for the past …well, forever as far as present generations are concerned – or, at least my generation and adjacent ones (I was born in ’61). But the whole instant nerve response network no longer works as well. Of course that won’t stop the media from using it. They have little else.

I also caught an old episode of Have I Got News For You where somebody had the audacity to question Corbyn’s designated “anti-Semitism” when the host suggested that all you had to do to find out “it was all true” was to post that suggestion on Twitter i.e. post the suggestion on the medium where the hacks can control it so well.

George Mc
George Mc

Sorry typed too quickly there. The last paragraph would hve made more sense like this:

I also caught an old episode of Have I Got News For You where somebody had the audacity to question Corbyn’s designated “anti-Semitism” when the host suggested that all you had to do to find out “it was all true” was to post that query on Twitter i.e. post the query on the medium where the hacks can control it so well.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The odd thing is that using the Nazi Judeocide to justify Israel’s crimes against humanity is, in fact, an insult to the memory of the Jewish victims of the Nazis. And note, too, that EVERY other genocide and massacre in history, many greater in number than that of the Jews, are almost totally ignored, but the Judeocide has been made into a compulsory cult, in accord with Jewish narcissism and self-obsession, that MUST be copied, unquestioningly, or you are an damned, eternally, ‘antisemite’.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar

Mr VlTchek

This election was about Brexit, pure and simple.

Jeremy Corbyn was an EU leaver, but he was hamstrung by a party obsessed with Remain, so had to find a compromise. The UK public would not wear it.

There is nothing stopping a socialist government in the next election, if Brexit is achieved. A socialist government cannot exist in the EU, as state subsidies are illegal, as is nationalisation 9although state-owned Franco/German companies can be ‘privatised tender submitters’ in the Wonderland called UK public procurement. Explain that to no nonsense Yanks…….

There are a lot of moaners claiming we are about to become a colony of the US. I do not think we will: there is no majority wanting a sell-out trade deal and plenty of people wanting Britain to stand on their own two feet.

Boris is actually a very bad liar, so he will not last very long if he tries it on. He is tasked with Brexit and doing global trade deals, not with joining NAFTA, which was not an election issue and for which he has no mandate whatever. There is very, very strong resistance to letting chlorinated chickens come over here and we have a very great contempt for certain US agricultural practices. We do not want trade deals lowering our standards where food is concerned.

The biggest danger is actually asslicking Israel. Israel is an utter irrelevance and so are loud-mouthed London Jews, including the execrable Chief Rabbi, who think they are intrinsic to UK survival. Most of us would use a more robust version of ‘Pack your bags and go, then!’ if they start playing politics again trying to claim they are victims of antisemitism. They are shysters on the make and on the take and no-one is remotely taken in by all the media lying. But MPs are biddable and corrupt and too many by half have been on expenses paid trips to Israel for reasons having nothing to do with representing their constituents. They need stringing up about abuse of privilege……..

You also need to be aware, Mr Vltchek that the Labour Party is capable of transmogrifying at pretty short notice into a trumped up version of New Liebour. There has been fervent plotting and attempted coups on a regular basis the past four years and nobody wants the Campbell-Blair axis within 100 miles of Downing Street. They were the PFI calamity architects, being so ignorant they could not see American shysters picking them off. The NHS funding crisis is primarily down to Blair and PFI. Asshole….

The problem the British people have is that the last Parliament was treasonous vis a vis Brexit so the GE was to create a mandate to push it through. The difficulty is that a GE is not a repeat referendum, there is loads of other stuff slipped in under the radar.

Far better to have burned down the Palace of Westminster with 400 corrupt MPs inside it.

But we do not do things like that here. We accept far greater levels of imperfection to maintain vestiges of decorum you know.

We are appalling democrats in Foreign Policy, but sometimes we are anally retentive in letting MPs get away with murder domestically in order to maintain our democratic sensibilities.

paul
paul

I’m glad we’re spending £7,000 million or so to do up the House of Commons.
Those selfless MPs do so much for us.
It’s the least we can do.

kevin morris
kevin morris

If Jeremy Corbyn- a thoroughly decent man as you say- had followed his own political inclinations and supported Brexit, if his party hadn’t doggedly defeated every attempt by Theresa May to get her Brexit bill through parliament, there would have been no general election and it’s possible that Corbyn’s Labour Party would have defeated the Conservatives in a 2022 election.

The majority voted in 2016 to come out of Europe and were angry at the way their decision was being downplayed. Speaking personally, on several occasions, I found myself reminding angry fellow Brexiteers that it was the Labour Left that had spoken most eloquently of the dangers of being in the then Common Market in 1975. I reminded them too that through almost his entire parliamentary career, Jeremy Corbyn had spoken eloquently against Europe, but it was to no avail.

The people knew they had lost their birthright by Britain being a member of a political state that is undemocratic and an economic basket case. They had every right to fear that their plainly expressed wishes were going to be swept under the carpet by an unholy alliance of socialists, liberals and Scottish nationalists. Frankly, they had been humiliated on almost a daily basis in our news media and in parliament and they felt they only had one option, which was to vote in the man who said he would take us out of Europe.

Like it or not, and clearly, most Off Grauniad readers don’t, our recent general election was a supreme example of democracy in action and there really is little point snivelling now about the result.

andyoldlabour
andyoldlabour

Great post Kevin, which sums up entirely what I feel about politics over the past three years.
People tend to forget, that back in 2014 both Labour and Conservative MEP’s voted against Jean Claude Juncker becoming President of the EU Commission, stating that him becoming leader would make it harder to redform the EU. We have never had any influence in the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/09/labour-opposes-jean-claude-juncker-european-commission-president

kevin morris
kevin morris

Thanks, Andy. Despite everything, I do have a great deal of sympathy for Jeremy Corbyn, who remains a thoroughly decent guy, and who sadly believed that if he propitiated the parliamentary party, they would back him. They clearly had no intention, believing that at least, losing the election would free them of Corbyn as leader. It was they too who orchestrated a good deal of the nastiness that was aimed at Corbyn by the news media, and it was clear too that they cared not a jot for the likes of you and me.

Perhaps the saddest thing about the whole story is that they were warned again and again, but the Party showed utter contempt for the views of their own supporters in Brexit constituencies. They hadn’t the gumption to realise that the people would punish them for the three years of parliamentary sclerosis. Nor do they realise now that having stuck the boot in on Corbyn, blaming him alone for their collapse at the polls, nothing will change.

No, Labour will learn nothing from the harsh lessons of December 12th and I fear that the Party will be out of government for a long, long time.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man

Indeed, Kevin. Regardless of where you stand on Brexit, the electoral arithmetic was always clear: 65 per cent of Labour-held seats in the old parliament voted ‘leave’ and 80 per cent of the seats it needed to win voted ‘leave’. The overwhelming majority of seats Labour lost on 12 December voted leave.

Despite these plain facts, the Blairites and some ‘socialists’ are – for very different reasons – in denial about the effect that the party’s Brexit U-turn had on the result. Blairites like John McTernan who rail against Corbyn and blame him for the defeat insult our intelligence.

I’m prepared to cut Jezza a lot of slack: the job of opposition leader is hard enough, even when you don’t have disloyal scum in your own parliamentary party.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

McTernan turned up here in Australia, like a turd washed ashore by an ill-wind, to ‘advise’ our Blairite (before Blair) Labor Party. He was instantly recognisable as a complete (series of expletives deleted).

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man

McTernan was also communications director for Julia Gillard when she was PM. I wonder if he was the one who advised her to cut benefits for single parents.

Note he is a welcome and too-frequent ‘guest’ of the breakfast programme on the Corbyn-hating ABC Radio National (most recently after the GE, when he ranted against Corbyn, claiming he selected all the parliamentary candidates, etc). Defenders of the Labour leadership are NEVER guests of RN.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The Australian Labor Party is so effed it is quite funny. Since the Hawke/Keating sell-out to neo-liberalism, the ALP has stood for nothing.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man

Yes, but ALP apologists argue that no matter how many times the ALP lets you down, if you’re ‘progressive’ you must vote for them because there is ‘no other group that could ever form a non-conservative government’.

The old ‘lesser evil’ approach: a dead-end in the US and Australia.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The fate of Corbyn proves the bleedin’ obvious-that a decent, honest, humane person has no place in UK politics. The onrush to self-destruction has just been accelerated.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The Blairites in the PLP cunningly used Brexit to destroy Corbyn. What he could have done with a PLP full of Blairite Quislings is beyond me.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man

That has been Corbyn’s major problem all along and it would only have got worse had Labour won the election.

The malign influence of Blair and his ‘ism’ may have damaged the party in perpetuity. He apparently told the BBC that unless the party moved away from the ‘extreme left’, it would be destroyed. Doubt whether he (or the BBC) mentioned that under the Blair-Brown gov, Labour lost 5 million votes and half its membership.

davemass
davemass

Thatcher was the biggest populist to be elected, with her
council-house giveaway at knock-down prices. To make Tory voters from the tenants.
Better to live under a one-party system, a la USSR, or Singapore, (PAP), or China.
Then you can say ‘I didn’t vote for this’ if you’re unhappy!

I live in Thailand, now a pseudo-democracy under an unelected, ‘chosen’ PM, backed,
in the end by guns and a corrupt monarchy.
People just live day-to-day as in too many parts of the world, Indonesia included.

BTW, Brits voted for Brexit- (I’m a ‘Leaver’ but understand how people feel about the way the EU has treated us in ‘negotiations’- So Corbyn backed into a remain corner was always going to give this result. Arrogance of the EU elite is something other countries in EU are pondering).

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

In China the ruling elite work to increase the standard of living of the entire population. In the West the ruling elites work to drive the serfs into the mire of neo-feudalism, with astonishing success.

Antonym
Antonym

The Chinese elite is of another variety of “Chosen people”, those of the Chinese Communist Party top. They are not greed or ego less: they like to control all the others like serfs through their “social credit” system a la 1984. A zombie society ruled by totalitarian technocrats – soul less. Some of them made billions too, apart from non monetary power.
Hitler’s Autobahns were also an astonishing success if one disregards the process and stares at the product.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Zionist race and cultural hatred of the Chinese is visceral. It derives from the Chinese being just as clever as any Ashkenazi Jew or other White Ubumenschen. It comes from China not being a so-called Judeo-Christian civilization, that treats Jews as fellow human beings, nothing more, nothing less. And it is worsened by the Chinese refusing to worship at the altar of the Holocaust religion. The Chinese know it was a great tragedy, but they lost five times as many in the same period, so groveling obeisance is out of the question. You illustrate that hatred, your Orientalist ignorance and your Talmudic viciousness by declaring the Chinese ‘soulless’, rather than merely possessing inferior souls to Jews. Plainly you see them as animals, as you do the Palestinians. Loathsome.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Boris the fecker can not only be arsed to comb his hair, he can’t be arsed to shave himself properly.

Rais
Rais

When I see a statement in an article that I know to be wrong I doubt the rest of the article. The overthrow of the former governments of Indonesia and Chile is mentioned, ” both of them now lying in ruins.” I’m not familiar with Chile but I’m very familiar with Indonesia. I have lived there, I visit there frequently and I speak the language. Much is wrong with Indonesia but it is certainly not lying in ruins. Millions of people have graduated into middle class life. Authoritarian government has given way to multi party democracy far from the ambitions of many but better than the previous system. Yes the wealthy dominate as they do in my home country Australia. The society is unequal but less so than India. But the country is not lying in ruins.

Wilmers31
Wilmers31

Those who pull the puppet strings on our currently democratically elected rulers do not control who gets in but who gets to be a listed candidate. They allow their darlings on the lists; 17 intelligence services do not do IQ tests all day long.

An interesting example is the late German Chancellor Helmut Kohl. In the denazification processes after 1945 he got a file and was seen as one who would be compliant and could be used. He had a stain on his university entry examen which they found and made him obedient. With Blair it was blatant greed and the desire to feel important which made him so obedient to the villains.

We are on the way to Dickensian circumstances; the brainless privatisations are now unstoppable because they have been ruled ‘governing ideology’ which takes us right back to where we started. Only a mixed economy can deliver – they are going to find out the hard way, hopefully after I am ash.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

I did love the recollection of a visitor to Blair’s office while he was PM. His financial controller, Lord ‘Cashpoint’ Levy, was present, and the visitor was most impressed by how Lord Levy ordered Blair around like a lackey.

norman widom
norman widom

so it was nothing to do with the toilet arrest and the name anthony lynton given?
sex crimes jpeg,negative audio visual perversion crime act is how they are captured
is it or is it not
already?

norman widom
norman widom

look close at the image above
can you see it
can you
yes yes
fat faced donmeh

not so young turk
an honest broker
you can take that to the b i s bank

already

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc

I did not vote Tory, though I did vote for Boris Johnson, to be Mayor of London, and I reckon he did a good job, largely conintuing the policies of the former May of London Ken Livingstone – who is labelled extrem left of the labour party, whilst Boris is supposedly extreme right of the Tory party. Yet I thought both these men, were excellent mayors of London – and the policies they introduced were very socially enabling…they both massively encouraged fitness and cycling, and for those all less enabled Free Rail Bus, and Tube Travel for anyone not that fit, or anyone over the age of 60.

So who knows what Boris Johnson is and what he might do…

Well checkout the competition, If you haven’t worked it out yet – Tony Blair( Globalist War Criminal not yet in jail) then God Help You. Can’t you tell the difference???

Whilst Boris may not know exactly what he is going to do next, looking at the next blonde (and even I do that)…he seems somewhat empowered by his new fanbase. The Northern Working Class, who have never voted Tory before in their lives..That is a Powerful Change. Even a total psycho has at least some connection and affection to his new fanbase.

See what George Galloway had to say about this today – and read Jimmy Moglia’s article on the Saker Blog. I am in awe of such people. I would rather see, and read people like these than watch anything on TV.

Happy New Year to all the people who run Off-G – You guys are awesome.

Come down the pub on New Year’s Eve. There’s a Really good band on.

“George Galloway on Brexit and UK’s political future”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOmJyzRNZIY&feature=youtu.be

“Quantitative Easing” By Jimmy Moglia.

http://thesaker.is/quantitative-easing/

Thank You, and God Bless,

I like people like you.

Tony

George Mc
George Mc

Well if we are about to embrace that good old American Dream, there’s a very odd matter to face: how to fit into this strange new community with its schizophrenic blend of gee-shucks all round cutesy niceness and a fixation on psychopathic macho genocidal violence.

That feel-good movie for psychos “American Sniper” sports a “philosophy” derived from a book called “On Combat” by one Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. This heart warming take on the human condition features a theory in which most people are “sheep” who must be guarded by “sheep dogs” i.e. special macho individuals against “wolves” i.e. evil outsiders. I found a jaw dropping review of this book on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R133W3VFW00J8N/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B008068P8K

The review is titled:

“A wonderfully informative and movitational book for all ages!”

Sounds most edifying. Read on:

“I couldn’t recommend this more highly for those of us who want to prepare ourselves and our families for the physical/psychological effects of combat and killing!”

Yes – the last three words are a bit of a shocker! Like watching a Disney movie which suddenly goes Texas Chainsaw!

“The lessons about the sheep and the dogs versus the wolves were especially meaningful to me. I read sections of this book to my son and then we discuss the readings and practice tactical breathing techniques every night before bed. Although he’s too young to understand most of the lessons in “On Combat”, “On Combat” does provide an abundance of excellent tips for realistic training that will help him to overcome his urge to be a sheep.”

“…too young to understand …”? The poor little sod! Still you can’t have him turn into a “sheep”!

I reckon we can skip the details of child abuse that follow. Then there’s this:

“Lt Col Grossman’s discussions on the dangers of a warrior letting puppies take control of his mind are an absolute must read. Thanks to Lt Col Grossman, I’m armed with the knowledge necessary to yank those namby pamby puppies from the heads of my wife and my son and replace them with vicious pit bulls. Without a doubt, what I’ve learned from Lt Col Grossman’s Warrior Science about bullet proofing my family will help my wife to protect herself from dangerous predators when I’m not around and will help my son to be a future leader of men on the battlefield!”

“Bullet proofing” to protect the family from “dangerous predators” when the hubby is not around? Well you never know when an Al Qaeda terrorist group might spring up in the supermarket when you’re off boozing in the bar!

Our concerned transatlantic cousin ends:

“On Combat should be required reading for all of America’s NCOs, Officers, and parents of future American soldiers!”

Isn’t it odd how he never sees the contradiction between protecting the sheep and the obvious contempt he has for them? What kind of guardian is it that hates what he guards?

But the real oddity is this American blend of the chummy with the psychotic. Perhaps it’s all to do with this culture that has been raised on 24 hour screen entertainment from birth. I recall one shooting incident where the shooter winced in pain when a cop grabbed him and said, “Hey – you’re hurting me!” There is an odd split between perception and feeling. Enjoy all the bloodshed you want. It’s all just a movie!

RobG

Once again a very brief round-up of what went on in France yesterday (the 59th week of continuous protests), starting with Paris…

https://twitter.com/Gerrrty/status/1211004330435923968

Then Bordeaux…

https://twitter.com/val_stoquer/status/1210956146921656320

Rouen…

https://twitter.com/Ellefan_SC/status/1210991436386230274

Montpellier…

https://twitter.com/france_ghost/status/1211108556885364737

I could go on and on with this, and could quite easily post hundreds and hundreds of videos of the protests in France this weekend (where things haven’t been as violent as they usually are, what with it being Christmas, and all).

Apparently, now that the French unions have joined in the fun (we’re now into the fourth week of a massive general strike) President Macron will address the nation’s worries in his New Year’s Eve address this coming week.

andyoldlabour
andyoldlabour

Macron sees himself as a latter day Napolean, whereas the people see him as Louis XVI.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

I see him as Tartuffe.

Robyn
Robyn

I would like to add my own personal observation to André’s experience when he responds that he’s Russian because it rings a bell with me. A few years ago, one of my grandchildren started studying Russian. Catching up with a friend, and later a relative, I mentioned the choice of Russian. These two generally benign women both had identical responses, spitting out their response – ‘Russian!?’ It was said with such vitriol their faces contorted just saying the word.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher

The key to modern elections is FUD — “fear, uncertainty and doubt”. You don’t present policies because they’re too easy to take down, instead you opt for simplistic slogans that mean nothing and attacking your opposition. The result is that a significant part of the electorate find themselves voting for the status quo merely because its the Devil you know.

This explains the focus on the center — you’re looking for that slice of the electorate that can tip the balance rather than spending resources on those who are already committed. You figure out what motivates them — typically they want to be left in peace — and develop the buttons to press accordingly. Hand in hand with this is also determining what groups you can persuade not to vote (and, if the circumstances are favorable, how to prevent undesirable groups from voting).

Most people haven’t caught on yet — they still think politics is about honest debate.

lundiel
lundiel

Given that 3.8 million Brits visit America each year, I’d say we deserve exactly what we got.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

Indeed. It appears that many Brexiters would like us to be a State of the US.

George Cornell
George Cornell

And those who would like that would be well advised to speak to any of the close neighbours of the US. Like Canadians for example. Or anyone in Central or South America.But I realize there are some who are into pain and exploitation.

And they must keep in mind the glory from poodling along into Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc. And the esteem-generating exercises in rendering, torturing, leasing Diego Garcia, the lunatic paranoia about the Russians, Chinese among others. But if you treat others like shit I guess you can be understood to imagine they aren’t looking out for your interests.

George Cornell
George Cornell

And if the 41 random massacres (killings) this year of 219 people in the US are insufficient to give pause, be patient. They continue to rise, a new record was reached this year. “We’re number one”!

https://apnews.com/4441ae68d14e61b64110db44f906af92

This new record went unnoticed by the front page of the NYT. They did report a brutal machete attack on relatives in Brooklyn, where no one died, both as an alert and on the front page two consecutive days. It also emphasized how the mentally ill suspect was found in Harlem, we all know what that means. The governor called it “domestic terrorism“. Not exactly sure how he got there however, in the compulsive desire to hitch on to the terrorism cachet? But because the victims were Hasidic, “hate crime” was invoked but so far unconfirmed.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The MSM attention to attacks on Jews, plainly tragic, even wicked, although the perpetrator may be mentally disturbed in this case, must be far greater that attacks on goyim, else will be considered de facto evidence of ‘antisemitism’. That mirrors the attention given to massacres and genocides in history, where the overwhelming attention is towards the Nazi Judeocide, there is some attention given to politically advantageous massacres, like the fake ‘genocide’ in Srebrenica, or the fake ‘massacre’ in Tian An Men, or the real genocide in Rwanda, where the Western stooge and perpetrator, Kagame, becomes the hero, and the rest are ignored, downplayed or denied.
In fact, over recent decades there have been tens of thousands of scholarly studies of the Nazi Judeocide, but only one or two concerning the hecatomb in the Belgian Congo, which probably took off as many lives. Of course, pointing out this staggering discrepancy is ‘antisemitic’, and the Nazi Judeocide must ritually be declared ‘unique’, which in itself is true as an individual tragedy, but as a category definition simply reeks of a differential view of the worth of Jewish and non-Jewish lives. But then one is reminded of Abe Foxman’s opinion, expressed some years ago, that Hitler’s real crime was not genocide, but deicide.

George Cornell
George Cornell

Actually hate murders of Jews seem rare everywhere, as far as I can tell, and that is obviously a good thing. But pretending otherwise seems to distract attention from so many other social injustices. Will this act by a reported schizophrenic will be counted as “anti-Semitic” by the JDL accountants, regardless of how it turns out?. It is amazing that even with suspect reporting that Usually seems not to have passed muster by objective independent arbiters, the rates are so low. Police brutality vs people of colour and the Draconian imprisonment of young black males, robbing to feed their families, seems a much more pressing problem. And it draws punishment which is often orders of magnitude greater than received by Jeff Epstein, Les Moonves, Roman Polanski et al.. His murder was surely not part of any official sentencing.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Acts of ‘antisemitism’ sometimes include false flag incidents like threats and graffiti committed by Jews for propaganda purposes, and, of course, the all-purpose ‘outrage’ where a non-Jew dares argue with a chauvinistic or even openly racist and fascist Zionist Jew. It is rapidly becoming unlawful to support the Palestinians in any way, and thus the rate of ‘antisemitic’ acts will mushroom, until we are all forbidden to mention any Jew, anywhere, but in terms of the most obsequious groveling. At the same time Zionists are the chief creators and sustainers of the Islamophobia hate campaigns, while truly deranged Zionists like Melanie Phillips declare that Islamophobia does not exist, and to argue with her must be seen as ‘antisemitism’.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

‘It appears that many Brexiters would like us to be a State of the US.’ – maybe that’s not what they wish for but its what they are going to get.

Iain Duncan Smith has already begun to Americanise welfare and despite gross failing he is to be ‘honoured’ for his ‘achievements’.

Health care next.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The odious IDS did not ‘fail’. He succeeded greatly in his task to kill chavs through malign neglect, hence the gong.

George Mc
George Mc

And I wonder what the future has in store for our new Yankee nation. Gated communities? School shootings? Paying for the sheer honour of being able to use medical waiting rooms? Bombing abortion facilities? Outlawing lessons in evolution? Televangelists?

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

All of the above. Moving Embassy to Jerusalem, too, I’d bet.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

…I wonder what the future has in store for our new Yankee nation. Gated communities? School shootings? […]

Have you considered the possibility of Boris’s warming to a newly-feasible role as a traditional British bulldog guarding the traditional independence of traditionally independent “British values” and “fair play” (albeit from the position of a traditional, patrician, pre-defeat-of-the-Sterling-reserve English conservative)?

George Mc
George Mc

Re: Boris’s new role as Churchill for the gamer generation, yes I’m sure there will be a lavish stage show going on at the front to keep the Daily Mail readership happy. Meanwhile in the Lovecraftian blasted heath of the hinterland: gated communities, school shootings etc.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

Some pretty venal people have risen remarkably upon taking political office, and some apparent saints have crashed disastrously, even if many haven’t, don’t and won’t.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee

”Indeed. It appears that many Brexiters would like us to be a State of the US.”

Which Brexiteers did you have in mind? In fact we have been a state of the US since the end of WW2

A de facto client state of the US since 1946 when we J.M.Keynes was angling for a loan, which he got – but with conditions, namely: a break-up of the Sterling Area which the US always wanted to enter, and then the Suez crisis of 1953 when both the UK and France were cut down to size and forcefully reminded that the boss on the other side of the pond was now calling the shots. That was the end of the UK as a great power and its beginning as a subaltern state. Of course the EU has been an American operation since 1945; its sphere of influence being brought about by CIA programmes like operations Gladio, Mockingbird and Paperclip.

The US wants to keep control of the EU through its control over NATO. The EU is merely the civilian wing of NATO. The US wants the UK to remain in the EU – and Obama chastised the Brexit supporters reminding them that if Britain was to leave the EU it would go to the back of the queue in the event of any trade deal between the EU and US. Jog any memories?

Kayaboosha
Kayaboosha

I would suggest the UK has been a vassal state of the US since WW2. Maybe it’s time for that fact to be recognised and another star added to the US flag?

RobG

I would suggest that it’s more nuanced than that.

Big Capital doesn’t care about borders or countries.

The head of the snake is the City of London, with American (psychopathic) corporations a short second.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

I would suggest the UK has been a vassal state of the US since WW2. Maybe it’s time for that fact to be recognised and another star added to the US flag?

Perhaps you might broaden your suggestion to recognise the fact that, since the late mid 1940s, Britain was no longer at the centre of US concerns, which had shifted to seeing Europe, of which Britain was only a part, as a vassal continent? Johnson has been caught out as a local political underdog trading away the NHS role as the family doctor of Britain’s poverty class, but now–as he is the political overdog of that very same class–perhaps he may become as expansive in his 2020s vision of the UK reviving a decaying Europe as the US was of its role in the mid 1940’s?

kevin morris
kevin morris

Utter twaddle! What they wanted was the honouring of the 2016 vote to leave Europe.

Monobazeus
Monobazeus

https://www.globalresearch.ca/climate-money-trail/5690209

Your Bonnie King Charles is in cahoots with monsters

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

That the global parasite castes are seeking to profit from the global ecological Holocaust that they caused does not change the science. This is one of the denialist industry’s more cunning canards.

nick
nick

Nice article in a way, but don’t forget that the Tories only scored 43.7% of the vote for their massive majority in parliament.
That means 56.3% voted against the Tories.
For the tories, 1% of the vote equated to 8 seats, for Labour 6 seats, for the lib dems, 1 seat.
So how come “we deserve the politicians we vote for”?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

So how come “we deserve the politicians we vote for”?

The most backward, shit-for-brains dregs of the former British colonies, the fish still otherwise rotting from it’s erstwhile UK head down, Australia and New Zealand, both managed to constitute various forms of proportional representation several to many decades ago?

Nick
Nick

so we are more backward and shit for brains than backward and shit for brains australians and new zealanders? that is your “explanation”? I should have known better than to expect reasoned discussion on an unmoderated website.

George Mc
George Mc

The problem with “moderated” websites is that they may start “moderating” you too, Nick.

Nick
Nick

I’d have no problem with that so long as it relates to netiquette. “shit for brains”, really, for an entire population? This is xenophobic, to say the least.

George Mc
George Mc

“netiquette”? You see the whole problem with censorship is that you don’t see what is censored. You have to take the word of the censor. I prefer Mick Jagger’s attitude:

I’ve always been opposed to censorship of any kind, especially by conglomerates. I’ve always said, ‘If you can’t take a joke, it’s too fucking bad’.

George Mc
George Mc

That last bit was meant to be blockquote. Sorry.

Nick
Nick

I think we can distinguish between moderation and censorship. For example, many sites operate a reporting offensive comments facility. Not perfect, but then what is?

George Mc
George Mc

“I think we can distinguish between moderation and censorship.”

No “we” can’t. The question is: who decides? And the result is that you always have to trust the declarations of those who censor. That’s why Off-G are wise in not censoring except after they have delivered warnings and all can see what the issue is. In the meantime I think we can survive “shit for brains”.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Easy for a very rich man to say.

Gezzah Potts

There are times I wonder why the people of France have rebelled en masse, with the admirable Gilets Jaunes opposing the Neoliberal economic order, struggling for over one year now, and also the recent General Strike in France, which again, saw masses of people on the street.
Yet in the UK, in the United States, and in uber apathetic Australia. Nothing. Not a peep. Not a yellow vest to be seen anywhere.
Down here in Melbourne, the streets and shopping malls have been absolutely heaving the last few days with people of all ages, lumbered down with multiple bags. Things that they really really really need. Of course.
Most would vote for Bojo if they could. After all, this year, they voted for a far right Christian fundamentalist Scott Morrison and his merry band of crypto fascists.
So, what’s the difference between France, and what is Not happening in countries like Australia and UK? In a nutshell – why?
Is it in the blood?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

There are times I wonder why the people of France have rebelled en masse, with the admirable Gilets Jaunes opposing the Neoliberal economic order, struggling for over one year now, and also the recent General Strike in France, which again, saw masses of people on the street.

Individuated self-interest writ large. What was on offer was (is) not the chance of a gain larger than the loss aversion limits that would apply were there implicit or overt choice, but the certainty of a significant loss without any choice other than a write-in/DIY-action option.

Since their assimilated but never overthrown revolution, the French have developed an encultured direct-action response to such offers; the British and Australians respond similarly, but theirs is centred around the debilitating, disempowering myth of an ultimately enduring millennium-old, revolution-defying ‘parliamentary democracy’.

Gezzah Potts

Fully agree with the sentiments expressed Rob. I havn’t voted for over 20 years.
It took me a long time to wake up and smell the coffee, and realise it was all a confected Punch & Judy Show.
The system is still in place the day after the election. Nothing substantive changes.

GEOFF
GEOFF

Give it a couple of months whilst the slob gets his feet under the table, we’ll see whether or not anything changes, the NHS will be unrecognisable for a start, the blind idiots have voted the most right wing government into power, and you’re suggesting nothing will change, why are these lice like ugly patel, idiot raab, doughnut smith, coffee the lunatic ignorant truss ,leadsom etc and the rest of the despicable load of shite

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

…you’re suggesting nothing will change…

This site’s BTL would be a lot less stupefying if more posters bothered to read what was written.

Thom
Thom

Are the Gilets Jaunes a grassroots rebellion, though? Or is it all instigated by the intelligence agencies as, probably, are the protests in Hong Kong?

Gezzah Potts

How much mainstream media coverage have the Gilets Jaunes had in the last year Thom, compared to the wall to wall blanket coverage of the Hong Kong ‘protests’ which we know are deliberately orchestrated, thanks to the revelations of The Grayzone and other independent media.
The fact the GJ’s have been almost completely ignored for this long tells me they’re almost certainly genuine.
If the 0.01% want you to believe something, they use their pet presstitutes to get the message out.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man

Indeed. The ABC sends one of its ‘top journalists’ to Hong Kong for a week to report on ‘police brutality’ towards demonstrators but does not inform us that the French authorities do worse to the Yellow Vests (blindings, hands shot off). And it tells us nothing at all about the violence of the post-coup regime in Bolivia. Selective reporting and lying-by-omission as usual.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The shit-heap still known nostalgically as the ABC, has been central to the years-long campaign of hatred against China. No lie is too preposterous, no false assertion is ever acknowledged or corrected, by these plainly racist, Orientalist and insufferably arrogant swine. Their little faces often twitch with rage when they peddle the latest lie, and there is NO dissent, not even at the margin, allowed any more.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man

No dissent is allowed, either, from ABC Radio National’s smear campaign that UK Labour is systemically ‘anti-semitic’. It wheels out one political hack after another to make this allegation, not as the thing which has to be proved, but as the proof itself.

Powerful dissenting voices exist, but they’re never allowed near the ABC’s microphones. And, of course, the ABC takes great care to ensure that neither it, nor its chorus of ‘guests’, define what they actually mean by ‘anti-semitism’.

No point complaining to the ABC internally about any of these things; you’ll be told that black is white, up is down, etc.

Gezzah Potts

Hi CM… I hope you’re nowhere near any of the fires?
Maybe 30 years ago, there was some semblance of balance in the ABC (still within the boundary of permissible ‘debate’ tho) but that is long gone.
All bets are off, so to speak.
There’s a community radio station in Melbourne – 3RRR, I was listening to after I moved to Melbourne a few years ago, but they went all Rachel Maddow; frothing at the mouth about Russiagate and how Putin was responsible for Trump and blah blah blah….
All straight out bullshit with absolutely no evidence provided. Lies asserted as facts. So you know what – I hit the off button, and havn’t listened since.
I fully agree with Richard Le Sarc’s reply to you also. The key words are Shit and Heap.
We’re very lucky to have sites like this CM. I’d go nuts otherwise!
Enjoy your day.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man

Thankfully, nowhere near the fires, GP and I hope the same applies to you.

I don’t know 3RRR, but it sounds like the old story…decline after a reasonable start.

I agree about OG – a wonderful thing to have available to us.

Cheers.

GEOFF
GEOFF

Stockholm syndrome!

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

Gezzah, I read the Guardian everyday and know nothing of these ‘yellow vest’ riots.

Can be it be true France burns every week while Britain’s premiere liberal outlet fails to provide analysis?

If they wound down their operation to smear Corbyn maybe a few more journalists would be available to inform readers about a hugely significant chapter in civil dissent.

I know they are busy providing a blow by blow account of events in Hong Kong but is it too much to ask for coverage of domestic civil war nearer to home?
Hell, while they are at it they the might even mention Britain’s torture of a journalist for exposing war crimes (instead deleting references to this BTL).

They seem to be pretending none of these terrible things are happening – perhaps because they don’t want the oppressed people of Britain to get any ideas?

Gezzah Potts

Harry, with respect to you, I wouldn’t use the Guardian to pick up dog poo.
Have you not heard of Operation Mockingbird? The revelations of Udo Ulfkotte? Manufacturing Consent? Brian Williams of NBC, and here’s a real doozy for you – Rachel Maddow.
The mainstream media are the propaganda arm of the 0.01%. They are the cheer squad for imperialist wars and regime change. They are the enthusiastic promoters of the global neoliberal order. They are fully complicit in war crimes.
And in covering them up.
With respect, you are supporting these vile bastards every time you buy a copy, unless you’re reading it in your local library?
That’s assuming your local library is still open?
In short – they are the lowest of the low.
Why was this very site set up? Why does your ‘paper’ censor or delete comments? Harry, there are plenty of decent, quality, independent news sites out there.

George Cornell
George Cornell

In defense of Harry, I am guilty of reading NYT, WaPo and two raving lunatic neocon sites, one the Gatestone Institute. Simply because these represent what I perceive to be the greatest threats to my family’s future. Watching the m.o. of Gatestone and their gymnastic attempts to deceive can be hugely informative vis a vis the poisonous machinations of the American government.On line readership does not even slightly alleviate the chronic shortage of budgie cage liners. Readership does not equate to endorsement, surely.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

Thanks George my post was meant to be humerous rather than an endorsement of the Guardian.

But Gezzah has a point – visiting their page in a small way contributes to their ongoing existance.

I go there usually to remind myself just how dire things have become (even BTL) sometimes throwing in the odd riposte hoping the censor has fulfilled the required number of moderations to satisfy memory hole quotas for that particular article.

There are still a few good posters BTL but in the main the pendulum has definitely swung far to the right.
Above the line regular columnists practically trip over themselves to illustrate how the stock of supposedly liberal voice in the MSM (or at least one that is not rothingly right wing) has fallen to such abysmal levels.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Really-the Guardian, particularly its loathsome ‘female’ maenads, are cheering on Assange’s lynching.

Gezzah Potts

Like the ‘red queen’ (oxymoron) Van Badham, and her #MeToo cohorts.
Interesting to note how often she appears on ABC as well. Probably there to give the ‘radical left’ viewpoint. Cough.
As with the odious Alexander Downer, Esq, they’re all just Establishment lackeys toeing the safe, defined boundaries for ‘acceptable debate’.
Whatever they proclaim to be.
I posted a comment on Badham’ s Facebook page weeks ago proclaiming ‘Free Julian Assange – Oppose the Mainstream Media’ s lies about Julian and Chelsea’ or something similar.
My comment was ignored. Obviously.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

A little exposure on the Drum and one discovers that Badham is just another dipshit-but a very arrogant one with it.

norman widom
norman widom

So, what’s the difference between France, and what is Not happening in countries like Australia and UK? In a nutshell – why?

consumerism
collectivisation
medication

programming
soft power
bbc
100 years of tavistock mind mapping
herding
cattle training
open air farming
small box containment

margaret thatcher the milk snatcher
no such thing as society
thatcher surrounded by zio cons and child fiddlers
rothschild agents major minor
tory toilet trader blair
wheres the gold gone get me another boy
browns bottom
poisoned zombie foods

total khazar control
init

Gezzah Potts

Really like your postings Norman, aye.
Twas also thinking, the French sense of culture, of identity, of who they are is probably much stronger than the 5 Eyes (Anglo Saxon) countries; especially outside the big cities.

Berlin beerman
Berlin beerman

Andrei,
Lets get one thing straight – almost the entire Europe is not moving towards a “racist right” – well other than Poland which is and always has been rather racist and self serving to the point of stupidity.

Hungry is Hungry and Mr.Orban is old news in that country’s political theatre. Hes been there before and for someone briefly educated at Oxford, what the hell did you expect from him? he’s an opportunist at best with simple roots and money to gather.

Germans are still bitter but smarter than the rest. Not very racist and perhaps too tolerant. they keep it within as do many other EU nationalities.

UK has been a racist back country for as long as I can recall. The US even worse, so I am perplexed at your analysis.

Mr. Trump, if anything, is no racist. He may blurt things out without much thought at times but that’s it. It’s an improvement.

We all know that racism in the EU exists and is not about to go anywhere. It exits on your left and on your right. Stop generalizing as it takes away from your otherwise brilliant writings.

Also stop talking about the left and the right – have you not figured out yet that there is the clan and then there are the rest. The clan rules the fake lords within the House of Lords, it rules the UK political system and it plays the “rest” as it sees fit. Certain politicians break through the mold once in a while – Mr. Trump is one and perhaps Mr. Orban is too, only to be fucked over by the MSM machine on behalf of the ruling clan and to the detriment of the “rest”.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

“Poland which is and always has been rather racist and self serving to the point of stupidity“
“Germans…not very racist”

You have an utterly perverse perspective of European history.

Berlin beerman
Berlin beerman

I think not. When did your “history” start ? Its a bit older than 70 years on.

Furthermore, current events are also relevant and its what we were primarily discussing.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Poland is priest-ridden, an even direr fate. Like the old Ireland on steroids.

paul
paul

I think that’s overblown. Religion often serves a purpose that has nothing to do with spirituality. A Polish bloke explained it to me. Being a Catholic was just a way of saying “I am not a communist.” Gravestones in cemeteries had either a red star or a cross on them. Wearing a cross was often just a way of rejecting communism.