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Is the US Now at War Against Iraq AND Iran?

Eric Zuesse

Iraqi Parliament – recently voted unanimously to expel US troops from their country.

On January 9th, Iraq’s Prime Minister and Parliament again ordered all American troops out, but on January 10th the AP headlined “US dismisses Iraq request to work on a troop withdrawal plan” and reported that the U.S. State Department “bluntly rejected the request, saying the two sides should instead talk about how to ‘recommit’ to their partnership.”

It was not a “request” from Iraq; it was a command from them; and the U.S. and Iraq relate as conqueror and conquered, not as “partners.” Consequently: the U.S. Government, now that it has been so unequivocally ordered to leave, is back again, unequivocally, to its invader-occupier role in Iraq.

The AP report went on to say that, “The request from Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi pointed to his determination to push ahead with demands for U.S. troops to leave Iraq.”

Again there was that false word “request.”

The AP report said that U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo asserted, in reply:

“Our mission set there is very clear. We’ve been there to perform a training mission to help the Iraqi security forces be successful and to continue the campaign against ISIS, to continue the counter-Daesh campaign.”

Though that’s the invader-occupier’s excuse, the reality is that the US needs Iraq in order to invade Iran, which is the US Government’s objective, though not overtly stated.

Already, America’s assassination in Iraq of Iran’s top general Qasem Soleimani on January 3rd is an enormous act of war against Iran.

It is intended to obliterate Iran’s main strategist, and this successful attack against Iran inside Iraq is a devastating first strike, by the U.S. Government against Iran.

So: now, the U.S. is at war against both Iraq and Iran.

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paul
paul

The murder of Soleimani is being misrepresented as a cock up by halfwit shabbos goy Trump.
But this is wrong. This has been planned for a long time. The intention is to destabilise Iran internally and undermine its leadership by making them appear weak and vulnerable. Iran’s failure to respond adequately is falling into this trap and storing up trouble for the future. A few hundred or a few thousand MEK demonstrators will be bigged up by the Fake Media, while 500,000 French in a general strike are casually ignored.

paul
paul

This is borne out by what has occurred since. Pompeo and the Orange Baboon are now threatening to double down and extend their murder campaign to include Russian and Chinese officials and military officers. Failure to respond adequately and impose a heavy price on the part of Iran will prove to be a colossal mistake.

Rod diplock
Rod diplock

Just how many countries is the US of A (and toadies) allowed to be at war with for it to be classified as a World War?

Protect
Protect

There has been an increase in military budget. So, we now see more Pentagon apologists on these chat boards.
When budget is not so high, they are happy to press a couple of buttons and activate automated Denial of Service attacks.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe

The US “unofficially has been at war with Iran since 1979. The overthrowing of the Shah (a US installed puppet dictator) generated unresolvable hostilities. Iraq, Iran’s neighbor has been a longtime US colony. It was run by Saddam Hussein another “CIA invention” who like Gaddafi was useful in advancing US imperialism until he was NOT. Removal is the expected fate for all leaders who believe their sovereignty is more powerful than the Empires.

The intentions of the Western imperialists are overt–they’re seeking unilateral hegemony in the Middle East and beyond. Everyone remembers Wesley Clark’s “announcement” in 2002 regarding the Pentagon’s goals: “We’re going to take out seven countries in five years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran..”

The voracious appetite of the military/security/surveillance/corporate state is not surprising what is
disappointing is the lethargic apathetic US public which allowed more than 30 years of endless wars.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The vermin are still infesting Germany and Okinawa seventy five years after WW2. Hard to get rid of than herpes.

harry law
harry law

Is the US Now at War Against Iraq AND Iran? No Eric, they are also at war with Syria, Lebanon and Yemen, known as the ‘Arc of resistance’ and the US/Israel are going to lose big time.
I think this interview with Professor Norman Finkelstein is most appropriate for the peoples of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen at this time.. Professor Norman Finkelstein IN DEFENCE OF LEBANON. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylcrQVNH5gY
I agree with every word.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The USA is at war with humanity and with its future. On one hand the Pentacle kills and destroys in the here and now, and the Zionists in the Treasury starve populations into submission through thoroughly Talmudic sanctions, and on the other the Washington Consensus of neo-liberal capitalism destroys the planet’s habitability, thereby killing the human future.

Estompista
Estompista

“through thoroughly Talmudic sanctions”, hissed and bleated the barely concealed neo-Nazi psychopath unctuously holding out his disgusting wares.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

I see Tony is inconsolable after the death of a dictator who failed to hold an election for 50 years?

Britains foremost war criminal said, “I heard the news about His Majesty Sultan Qaboos bin Said of Oman with great sadness. He was a leader of vision and purpose who took over the leadership of his country at a difficult time and raised it to an entirely new level of development and prosperity. He was a man of culture, humanity and deep conviction who strove to make his nation and the world better and more peaceful. He was kind, thoughtful and with a big heart. He had great wisdom and insight from which I benefited often as did so many others. My deepest sympathy, prayers and condolences are with the people of Oman. He will be sorely missed. – Tony Blair.
https://twitter.com/InstituteGC/status/1215920898966020096

Yes, I’m sure you did ‘benefit’, Tony – blood money I think they call it, you amoral scumbag.

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

Blair is perhaps the archetypal Sabbat Goy stooge. His appointment as a ‘Middle East peace envoy’, in which role he did less than nothing but kiss Bibi’s arse, was a gob of spittle delivered with relish to the Palestinians’ face. And then, at the Iraq ‘investigation’ white-wash, he took the time to publicly urge the same destruction be visited on Iran. The creature is truly Satanic.

paul
paul

Making Blair Middle East peace envoy was like putting the Moors Murderers in charge of a children’s home. It must be the most grossly inappropriate appointment in political history.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker

I’m really disappointed to read yet another article on OffG about Iran. It’s getting really boring and those backward desert dwellers deserve all they get anyway. Let’s get it over and done with and takeover their oilfields and make lots of money. What I really want to see here instead are lots of articles about Meghan and Harry.

(note to non-British readers, it’s called irony)

Rod
Rod

Perhaps The Daily Telegraph’ would be more in keeping with your tastes.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE

The ever cowardly United States of America is officially at war with everyone in the world except the uneducated dolts & imbeciles that support the Imbecile-in-Chief narcissist whackjob nutbar effin’ retard run amok.

Fuck America & the Republican Party that lives on forever war with everyone in the world including American taxpayers.

Screw the imbecile-in-Chief to a wall of his making.

Death to America!

MOU

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

Oh, you are a wag, Eric – is the US killing machine that just incinerated the Quds foremost military strategist ‘now at War Against Iraq AND Iran’ – well its hardly an act of peace, is it?

By the way, has anyone been listening to Raab pontificate about ‘international law’ – apparently the minister for Tory lies appears to be oblivious to the fact that Soleimani’s execution was almost certainly illegal, and was only possible because Britain and American actions are always placed above the law.

Lets just remind Raab, and murder apologists like him that, “Outside of an on-going armed conflict, the first use of military force is regulated under the jus ad bellum. The first principle of the jus ad bellum is the prohibition on the use of force, a peremptory norm codified in United Nations Charter Article 2(4). The only possible exception to the prohibition applicable in this case is self-defense. The exception is narrow. Some restrictions are provided in UN Charter Article 51; others in the general principles of international law. Article 51 permits the use of military force in such as the Hellfire missiles carried by Reaper drones, if “an armed attack occurs”. The International Court of Justice has emphasized that the attack must be “grave”.
https://www.ejiltalk.org/the-killing-of-soleimani-and-international-law/

Neocons want to start killing Iranians (which they already are doing via economic sanctions) – time for the west to grasp this inescapable reality.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1

What do these countries have in common?

U.S. IR UK FR AUS DE CAN NZ PL UK ES BR COL SA UAR NL SW NOR ET AL?

They are all

M O ☐ H ☐ R ☐ A R ☐ H ☐ ☐ C K ☐ R ☐

Yes, you may buy an ‘F’.

That includes its populations, that do it by default. They are programmed and conditioned from early on to be in harmony with the Pompeos, the Busches, Obamas, Trumps and whatever their names are that have this planet in stranglehold.

U.S. MUST PAY for all damages it inflicted over the last ~213 years. The ticket is endless – and with the indiscrininate use of weapons of mass destruction, very expensive.

In a world of justice, the rich people would be given the shittiest places in these countries and the rest be divided among the victim Nations of these pathetically religiously fascist psychopaths.

Is the use of the term ‘religiously fascist psychopath’ now reason for a drone strike?

Well, what are you waiting for? You are okay with the above fascist nations to do pre-emptive murders, but hesitate to do the same?

What an epic Upfuckery.

Because – in other words – nobody capable to do the one act that is excempt from Karmic retribution? Rather than doing that, saner beings are actually leaning back in the most fatalistic way. What is it good for, if the sane let the insane do whatever they please – or their mental illness dictates them to do?

Hitler was a good example. He was not mandated to undergo a psychological evaluation. And I don’t care where you set the red line. Being part of genocide is plenty enough at any given day. And there can be no more limitations of terms.

Maybe the prevailing opinion about all this is for it to be a joke. But that only appears to be so, because the populations of the above listed nations et al, are murdering innocent women and children (future population reduction) in the Nations on the receiving fascist shit end of the stick.

On a side note and only marginally related:

Listening to the early Beatles and their ‘depressing’ songs, the mind drifted to ‘The Man in Black’ (that I adore) and his song about why he is wearing black and likely to do so into his grave, which he did. The song I have on mind changes the lyrics a bit, but stays true, or emphasizes the new expression.

Well, you wonder why I’m always using ‘fuck’.
Why you’ll never hear me leaving out the muck.
And why my words have such a somber tone.
Well, there’s a reason for the things I’m bringing on.

Oh, and yes, for what its worth: invest yourself in aeroponics. Learn everything about it and start your own food production – using very little, very clean water and clean air, delivering healthy greens. It will work in an apartment as well as in a large greenhouse. The REAL Foodevolution.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin

Yes the US has been at war in the ME for a very very long time Eric.

Their advance was halted and is now in retreat, bar a few ‘battles of Bulges’ false hopes – they are heading back to their bunkers and throwing the kiddy corps into the front lines to take on hardened campaigners. They have even resorted to assassination of the Generals and leaders – opening the way and hoping for equal retaliation, to sway the public perception.

The Iraqis want the US out – and are threatened with economic sanctions and freezing of their US$ accounts!

Just like Venezuela and Iran and Libya and Yemen ..,

The Iraqis are proceeding with their closer ties with the winners – the Eurasian conglomerate, the Belt & Road investments; the superior Russian weapons systems and no doubt the disengagement from the petrodollar, ball and chain of a slave.

Like an abused woman who wants to remove the ‘ex boyfriend’ who moved in a decade ago – has never paid any bills, doesn’t do housework or maintenance and brings round his mates to wreck the place

Iraq has served a legal order to remove the abusive bastard !

Get the fuck out – or the bailiffs will be called to do it – and that will mean MORE cost you bully!

If that is MORE war then retreating Empire will see a REAL war on all fronts including for the first time ever in their own country – the bodybags will be required domestically – just like the poor civilians have been dying in theit tens of thousands at the proxy US forces hands for decades.

The people of the US need to get past their daily diet of super sugared Hollywood superiority and understand THEY are the EVIL EMPIRE and THEY are LOSING as the downtrodden ewoks of the many countried are fighting back!

Francis Lee
Francis Lee

The record reads: America Has Been At War 93% of the Time – 222 Out of 239 Years – Since 1776 i.e. the U.S. has only been at peace for less than 20 years total since its birth. I think that says it all.

GEOFF
GEOFF

After the USS Vincennes in 1988 had shot down Iran Air Flight 655 and killed 290 people, including many children, the U.S. government denied any culpability. George H. W. Bush, the vice president of the United States at the time, commented: “I will never apologize for the United States – I don’t care what the facts are… I’m not an apologize-for-America kind of guy.” Despite its “error” the crew was given medals and the captain was even awarded a Legion of Merit “for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer

GEOFF
GEOFF

The above is from moon of Alabama I forgot to mention

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

The butchers haven’t apologised for the one million plus slaughtered in Iraq since the illegal aggression of 2003, now have they. Or the four million in Korea, the four million in Indochina, the millions in the Middle East since WW2, the hundreds of thousand slaughtered by US-trained fascist proxies in Central America in the 80s, etc, etc. I believe that most major US cities have a ‘Holocaust’ museum of some sort, but only one in the country dedicated to the memory of the victims of the Atlantic slave trade. And none, as far as I know, to the tens of millions of dead Indigenous.

paul
paul

On that occasion Iran did a tit for tat response over Lockerbie, repaying the Americans in their own coin. The failure to do so on this occasion is a grievous error.

Vivian J
Vivian J

Wha? Lockerbie (almost certainly a false flag) was blamed on the Libyans, nothing to do with Iran…

paul
paul

It was blamed on Libya because Gaddafi was the Hitler Du Jour. Like the murder of Hariri was blamed alternately on Hezbollah or Iran according to who was being demonised the most that week. Iran did Lockerbie as a reprisal for the murder of 290 on their people on an Airbus in 1988. Murdered pilgrims and 66 children on their way to Mecca simply had to be avenged. Gaddafi obtained perfectly adequate revenge from his point of view for the bombing of Libya and the murder of one of his children by giving the IRA $3 million, then $10 million, then 5 small shiploads of weapons, each 150 tons plus, only one of which was intercepted. He could sit back and laugh with every bomb that went off for the next few years.

Yarkob
Yarkob

Have a listen to Whitney Webb on QTR podcast giving her take: https://youtu.be/dmaypBvuNzs?t=376

George Mc
George Mc

Example an American “request”:

Antonym
Antonym

That’s the CIA today; not the USA.

George Mc
George Mc

Granted that it’s not the whole of the USA – but it’s not just the CIA and it’s certainly not merely “today”. Incidentally, Brando said his attraction towards playing the Godfather is that he thought it was a prefect demonstration of how the American political system really works.

Protect
Protect

From Zero Hedge / The Strategic Culture Foundation:
“Abdul-Mehdi [The Iraqi prime minister] spoke angrily about how the Americans had ruined the country and now refused to complete infrastructure and electricity grid projects unless they were promised 50% of oil revenues, which Abdul-Mehdi refused.
The complete (translated) words of Abdul-Mahdi’s speech to parliament:
“This is why I visited China and signed an important agreement with them to undertake the construction instead. Upon my return, Trump called me to ask me to reject this agreement. When I refused, he threatened to unleash huge demonstrations against me that would end my premiership.
“Huge demonstrations against me duly materialized and Trump called again to threaten that if I did not comply with his demands, then he would have Marine snipers on tall buildings target protesters and security personnel alike in order to pressure me.
“I refused again and handed in my resignation. To this day the Americans insist on us rescinding our deal with the Chinese.
“After this, when our Minister of Defense publicly stated that a third party was targeting both protestors and security personnel alike (just as Trump had threatened he would do), I received a new call from Trump threatening to kill both me and the Minister of Defense if we kept on talking about this “third party”.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/deeper-story-behind-assassination-soleimani
and there is this:
“I was supposed to meet him [Soleimani] later in the morning when he was killed. He came to deliver a message from Iran in response to the message we had delivered to the Iranians from the Saudis.”

richard le sarc
richard le sarc

And in the Solomon Islands the USA is threatening sanctions, the cutting off of aid, the fostering of separatism and regime change for the crime of the Solomons recognising China, rather than Taiwan-incidentally the USA’s own position. No corner of the Earth is safe from these Evil vermin, and you can be certain that the MSM presstitutes will never dare report the truth.

lundiel
lundiel

Here’s your answer from the state department, it appears to be both yes and no (depending on financial incentives).

America is a force for good in the Middle East. Our military presence in Iraq is to continue the fight against ISIS and as the Secretary has said, we are committed to protecting Americans, Iraqis, and our coalition partners. We have been unambiguous regarding how crucial our D-ISIS mission is in Iraq. At this time, any delegation sent to Iraq would be dedicated to discussing how to best recommit to our strategic partnership—not to discuss troop withdrawal, but our right, appropriate force posture in the Middle East. Today, a NATO delegation is at the State Department to discuss increasing NATO’s role in Iraq, in line with the President’s desire for burden sharing in all of our collective defense efforts. There
does, however, need to be a conversation between the U.S. and Iraqi governments not just regarding security, but about our financial, economic, and diplomatic partnership. We want to be a friend and partner to a sovereign, prosperous, and stable Iraq.

Gall

Typical imperialistic boiler plate. America being a “force for good in the Middle East” or anywhere else is a lie. Remember Vietnam? As for “continu(ing) the fight against ISIS” the SOS really means to continue to finance and supply ISIS while pretending to “fight against” them. There whole statement is a Stygian Stable full of total BS.

The Iraqis should tell them again to get the f-k outta Dodge or they’ll go Wyatt Earp on their sorry lying asses.

Frances

Pardonnez-moi, but why do Canada and Australia also UK (Boris) take their ‘cue’ on foreign policy from the USA? Sending defence forces to fight Washington’s wars and banker’s wars for resources?

austrian peter

I answer to your question, Frances, take out an hour of your day to find out:

Andy
Andy

This edition of Crosstalk seems to encapsulate perfectly US arrogance and stupidity/disingenuity.

https://youtu.be/Rlkeyl4adJ0

Brian Harry
Brian Harry

That assertion by Mike(“We lied we cheated we stole”…..)Pompeo is a total lie. The USA invaded Iraq under a complete pack of lies, about Saddam Hussein’s “Weapons of Mass Destruction” back in 2003 and are still there after having murdered Hussein and now occupy Iraq.
The Elected Leader of Syria has also told the USA to “Get out of Syria”, but the USA has not done so.
The USA(and it’s ‘owners” Israel, are the problem in the Middle East, NOT IRAN or Iraq.
Israel’s anaesthetised donkey, The USA, is completely controlled by Israel…….It’s pathetic. but it’s true.

austrian peter

In the sixties we all knew that “NO” meant “YES” and these guys are from that era.

Brian Harry
Brian Harry

I think that the World has grown sick and tired of the LIES, spewing out of the Military Industrial Complex……..In the highest levels of the USA Government, “if their lips are moving, they’re LYING…….

austrian peter

Yep, with you 100% and the bulk of the 99% are getting the message too.

Yarkob
Yarkob

“the bulk of the 99% are getting the message too.”

Don’t kid yourself, Peter. I’d love to agree with you, but there is little evidence of that on those sites that allow comment on this. the masses have drunk the kool aid long and deep. Yes, there’s some pearl-clutching going on but he was “still a trrst” so it’s all ok. Back to sleep.

Look! Harry and Meghan!!

austrian peter

Take your point Yarkob, thank you. I was trying to be optimistic – in my world my network is gradually becoming more aware – I hope that my book, due to publish this quarter, will ride the wave; fingers crossed!
:-))))

Admin
Admin

Where are you seeing this BTL? Bear in mind that comments in most corporate media sites are heavily censored these days, and replete with sock puppets manipulating debate & seeding talking points.

George Mc
George Mc

As I have often said, the MSM not only lies but gives a false image of public opinion. Granted that it is not easy – or even possible – to really know what the population is tending towards in their opinion, I think we can safely say that the MSM always bullshits about it. I love it especially when they not only bullshit about what “everyone thinks” abut also about what everyone “WILL” think e.g. the blathering about what party is “electable”.

I am not, by any stretch, a subscriber to David Icke but he did come up with one wonderful expression when he described what the MSM pump out as “the movie”. That is exactly what it is. And I’d like to believe that less and less people believe it. Of course the big problem is that even if you reject it, you have to put up with the fact that, obviously as far as the “mainstream” goes, it’s the only show in town. And a lot of people still regurgitate what they hear. So e.g. a lot of people go along with the manufactured outrage over Corbyn “refusing to apologise” while these same people have no idea what he is apologising for – other than a vague notion that he must be some kind of Hitler guy. It all comes down to vibrations set up in the MSM. If you shit enough and often enough then eventually many will swallow it.