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Putin Calls for a New System Guided by the UN Charter… But Is It Possible?

Matthew Ehret

Anyone looking with sober eyes upon today’s world and the feeble economic and geopolitical underpinnings holding the system together must accept the fact that a new system WILL be created.

This is not an opinion, but a fact. We are moving towards eight billion lives on this globe and the means of productive powers to sustain that growing population (at least in the west) has been permitted to decay terribly over the recent half century while monetary values have grown like a hyperinflationary cancer to unimaginable proportions.

Derivatives speculation alone under the deregulated “too big to fail” banking system has resulted in over $1.5 quadrillion in nominal values which have ZERO connection to the real world (GDP globally barely accounts for $80 trillion). Over the past 5 months $415 billion of QE bailouts have been released into the bankrupt banks to prevent a collapse. So, economically it’s foundation of sand.

Militarily, the west has followed the earlier Roman empire of yesteryear by overextending itself beyond capacity creating situations of global turmoil, death and unbounded resentment at the dominant Anglo American powers controlling NATO and the Military-industrial complex.

The recent near-war with Iran at the start of 2020 put the world on a fast track towards a nuclear war with Iran’s allies Russia and China.

Culturally, the disconnection from the traditional values that gave western civilization it’s moral fitness to survive and grow has resulted in a post-truth age now spanning over three generations (from the baby boomers to today’s young adults) who have become the most confused class of people in modern history losing all discrimination of “needs” vs “wants”, “right” vs “wrong”, “beauty” vs “ugliness” or even “male” and “female”.

Without ranting on anymore, it suffices to say that this thing is not sustainable.

So the question is not “will we get a new system?” but rather “whom will this new system serve?”

Will this new system serve an oligarchical agenda at the expense of the nations and people of the earth or will it serve the interests of the nations and people of the earth at the expense of the oligarchy?

Putin Revives a Forgotten Vision

President Putin’s January 15 State of the Union was a breath of fresh air for this reason, as the world leader who has closely allied his nation’s destiny to China’s Belt and Road Initiative, laid out a call for a new system to be created by the five largest nuclear powers as common allies under a multi-polar paradigm.

After speaking about Russia’s vision for internal improvements, Putin shifted towards the international arena saying:

I am convinced that it is high time for a serious and direct discussion about the basic principles of a stable world order and the most acute problems that humanity is facing. It is necessary to show political will, wisdom and courage. The time demands an awareness of our shared responsibility and real actions.”

Calling for Russia, the USA, UK, China and France to organize a new architecture that goes far beyond merely military affairs, Putin stated:

The founding countries of the United Nations should set an example. It is the five nuclear powers that bear a special responsibility for the conservation and sustainable development of humankind. These five nations should first of all start with measures to remove the prerequisites for a global war and develop updated approaches to ensuring stability on the planet that would fully take into account the political, economic and military aspects of modern international relations.”

Putin’s emphasis that “the United Nations should set an example” is not naïve fantasy, nor “crypto globalist rhetoric” as some of his critics have stated.

Putin knows that the UN has been misused by anti-nation state ideologues for a very long time. He also knows his history better than his critics and is aware that the original mandate of the United Nations was premised upon the defense of the sovereign nation state. Article 2.1 of the charter clearly says:

The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.”

For readers who are perhaps rightfully cynical that such organizations as the UN could ever play a truly positive role in world affairs, it is important to recall that the UN was never intended to have any unilateral authority over nation-states, or military power unto itself when was created in 1945.

Its purpose was intended to provide a platform for dialogue where sovereign nation-states could harmonize their policies and overcome misunderstanding with the aim of protecting the general welfare of the people of the earth.

Articles 1.3-4 state clearly that the UN’s is designed “to achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion and to be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.”

If the United Nations principles as enunciated in its pre-amble and core articles were to ever be followed (just like America’s own admirable constitution): then wars of aggression and regime change would not be possible.

Article 2.4 directly addresses this saying:

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state”.

These principles stand in stark contrast to the earlier 1919 Round Table/RIIA-orchestrated attempt at a post-national world order under the failed League of Nations which was rightfully put out of its misery by nationalists of the 1920s.

FDR’s 1944 vision, as Putin is well aware, was based not on “world government”, but rather upon the concept of a community of sovereign nations collaborating on vast development and infrastructure projects which were intended to be the effect of an “internationalization” of the New Deal that transformed America in the years following the Great Depression.

The closest approximation to this spirit in practice in our modern age is found in China’s Belt and Road Initiative.

Thousands of Asian, African and South American engineers and statesmen were invited to visit the USA during the 1930s and early 1940s to study the Tennessee Valley Authority and other great New Deal water, agriculture and energy projects in order to bring those ideas back to their countries as a driver to break out of the shackles of colonialism both politically, culturally and economically.

In opposition to FDR, Churchill the unrepentant racist was okay with offering political independence, but never the cultural or economic means to achieve it.

Although the world devolved into an Anglo-American alliance with FDR’s death in 1945, the other Bretton Woods Institutions which were meant to provide international productive credit to those large scale infrastructure projects to end colonialism were taken over by FDR’s enemies who purged the IMF and World Bank of all loyalists to FDR’s international New Deal vision throughout the years of the red scare.

Whether these corrupt financing institutions can be brought back to their original intention or whether they must simply be replaced with new lending mechanisms such as the Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank, BRICS New Development Bank or Silk Road Investment Fund remains to be seen.

What is vital to keep in mind is that Putin (just like FDR before him) knows that neither Britain nor Britain’s Deep State loyalists in America can trusted.

Yet, in spite of their mistrust, they both knew that a durable world order could only be accomplished if these forces were reined in under a higher law imposed by the authority of truly sovereign nations, and this is why FDR’s post-war plans involved a USA-Russia-China-UK partnership to provide the impetus to global development initiatives and achieve the goals of the Atlantic Charter.

This partnership was sabotaged over FDR’s dead body as the Cold War and Truman Doctrine broke that alliance. The goal of ending colonialism had to wait another 80 years.

At the 2007 Munich Security Conference, Putin had already laid his insight into history clearly on the table when he said:

This universal, indivisible character of security is expressed as the basic principle that “security for one is security for all.”

As Franklin D. Roosevelt said during the first few days that the Second World War was breaking out:

When peace has been broken anywhere, the peace of all countries everywhere is in danger… I consider that the unipolar model is not only unacceptable but also impossible in today’s world. And this is not only because if there was individual leadership in today’s – and precisely in today’s – world, then the military, political and economic resources would not suffice. What is even more important is that the model itself is flawed because at its basis there is and can be no moral foundations for modern civilisation.”

Putin is not naïve to call for the United Nations charter to serve as the guiding light of a new military, political, economic architecture.

Nor is he naïve to think that such untrustworthy nations as the USA, UK and France should serve in partnership with Russia and China since Putin knows that it will be Russia and China shaping the terms of the new system and not the collapsing basket-cases of the west whose excess bluff and bluster betrays a losing hand, which is why certain forces have been so desperate to overthrow the poker table over the past few years.

The fact that Putin, Xi and their growing allies have not permitted this chaos agenda to unfold has not only driven “end of history” imperialists into rage fits but also gives FDR’s vision for a community of sovereign nation-states a second chance at life.

Originally published by Strategic Culture.

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yuri
yuri
May 6, 2020 7:35 AM

ameikans r not agreement capable…Bercovitch describes the US as “the ultimate trickster’s paradise”—2/3 of all lawyers on earth live in the USA….”amerikan parents lie to their children, amerikan children lie to their parents–its expected”. Geoffrey Gorer. “amerikans have been liars and braggarts for 3 centuries”. Daniel Boorstin. “the men amerikans most admire tell them the most extravagant lies–the men they most despise try to tell them the truth”. HL Menkhen. “obama’s job is to lie to a nation of liars”. Kiese Laymon
when the empire collapses—in less than 10 years, perhaps then the amerikans will be agreement capable

paul
paul
Jan 26, 2020 10:03 PM

Who needs a new system when we’ve already got such a splendid one?
Tom Watson will shortly be picking up his peerage.
As endorsed by Jeremy Corbyn.

No peerages for Chris Williamson, Jackie Walker or Ken Livingstone.
They just get thrown under the bus to keep the Zionist Mafia happy.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 27, 2020 3:08 PM
Reply to  paul

Sure it wasn’t tories who nominated Fatberg Slim?
They certainly should have the 3 others for the ammo they provided against Corbyn.

paul
paul
Jan 26, 2020 4:57 PM

There were TWENTY protestors at Davos. Where have all the protestors gone? Where is last year’s snow? Last year, 2,300 billionaires increased their wealth by 12%. All the protestors are putting on balaclavas and playing at being Antifa terrorists. Or painting their faces and playing their bongo drums and falling in line behind little Greta. Meanwhile, Orange Man is firmly under the thumb of Globalist and Zionist interests. God forbid that Amazon, Google, Facebook should have to pay any tax. Luckily, he was able to head off this terrible threat by threatening 25% tariffs on car exports by his European satellites. While promising to cut welfare and medicare if he is re-elected in 2020. A small businessman in the US, something like a roofing or plumbing business with a turnover of $250,000, pays more tax than Amazon. Inequality is greater than at any time over the past 200 years. But… Read more »

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Jan 26, 2020 12:24 AM

The Dark Pool Derivatives Universe is far in excess of $1.8 quadrillion USD, and High Frequency Trading Algorithms run approximately 95% of the NYSE trades whereas human traders now occupy less than 5% of the trading volume. The United States of America is an asset inflation Ponzi scheme invented by Neoliberals that emanated out of the Chicago School of Macroeconomics most synonymous with Strauss et al on the right spectrum of politics. The USA Federal Reserve is now funding the dark off exchange Hedge Fund ‘primary dealer’ REPO facilities ‘term’ & ‘overnight’ free cash spigot to the tune of $1.8 quadrillion USD Dark Pool Derivatives Universe that can never be allowed to deflate given that asset inflation is all that Americans are capable of doing when it comes to running the 21st century version of the Weimar Republic United States of America banana republic. The USA deflationary $25 trillion debt… Read more »

Peter
Peter
Jan 25, 2020 4:20 PM

It always amazes me [even though it should not] but this sort of discussion never appears in MSM.

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Jan 25, 2020 3:23 AM

By the curious process of serendipity, whilst musing on the parallel lives of Erskine Childers and T.E. Lawrence (both ‘celebrated’ authors and British secret agents, both Anglo-Irish adding to their loss of self-identity) when I stumbled over a descendant of Childers who in 1994 co-authored a report on how to reform the UN – http://www.daghammarskjold.se/wp-content/uploads/1994/08/94_1.pdf. The shadows of assassinations stalk and undermine the best intentions of the best of men e.g. Childers may have had a hand in the assassination of Irish leader, Michael Collins. The paper was written under the Dag Hammarskjold foundation, who himself was probably assassinated by the Anglo-American Intelligence. Was TE Lawrence offed for his pro-Arab views or for his inside knowledge of the Sykes-Picot deal? Was FDR offed because of his betrayal of the Capitalist oligarchy? In short, the UN concept is a great idea and our last best hope. But as has been mentioned… Read more »

Antonym
Antonym
Jan 25, 2020 2:11 AM

the concept of a community of sovereign nations collaborating on vast development and infrastructure projects which were intended to be the effect of an “internationalization” of the New Deal that transformed America in the years following the Great Depression. The closest approximation to this spirit in practice in our modern age is found in China’s Belt and Road Initiative. Naivety at its peak; Xi Jinping’s Belt and Road + his String of Pearls are conducts for Chinese economical and political imperialism. The trick is to dept-trap these nations through hash contracts and that take the land as collateral. Most work is done by Chinese laborers and Chinese companies; no open bids. Putin has little to do with this; Russia is mostly by-passed. The Russian president is right that the present UN set up is a mess. The UK should be out and India as permanent member of the SC. Japan… Read more »

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jan 25, 2020 6:30 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Bog Standard Zionist Sinophobic hatred, from our resident ‘ God Upon the Earth’.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Jan 25, 2020 10:07 AM
Reply to  Antonym

The trick is to dept-trap these nations through hash contracts and that take the land as collateral.

Spoken like an insider on U.S./UK/IL business practices.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 25, 2020 11:44 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Move it to Palestine- fairly central in world affairs over eons.

Antonym
Antonym
Jan 25, 2020 12:00 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

The Center of the(ir) World for 70% here….

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 25, 2020 1:16 PM
Reply to  Antonym

100% for at least you.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jan 25, 2020 9:02 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

10000% for our resident Ziosupremacist.

Theo
Theo
Jan 25, 2020 11:50 AM
Reply to  Antonym

China has forgiven billions of dollars already.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jan 25, 2020 9:03 PM
Reply to  Theo

Unlike Paul Singer and the other vulture fund ghouls, nearly all of whom share Ant’ s Celestial Destiny.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Jan 26, 2020 12:54 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Historically the Chinese have never enslaved anyone or been interested in conquering the world — for much of their existence China was The World and the outside wasn’t even very interesting to trade with. Since they have lots of stuff that we’re interested in this resulted in the first Chinese serious trade imbalance problem that prompted the Opium Wars of the 19th century. All that’s behind them now and you’ve got to assume that they’re smart enough to figure that trade is a two way street — they can only sell to people who can afford to buy. The Belt and Road initiative not only enhances their trading position but it coincidentally helps people to pull themselves up – not people like us in the West, we should be able to take care of ourselves, but all those billions of impoverished people living in what used to be (used?) our… Read more »

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jan 27, 2020 8:20 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

‘Debt traps’??!! Just ask the IMF, World Bank, Paul Singer and the vulture funds. We seem to have Memory Holed ‘ Structural Adjustment Plans’ that killed tens of millions, and the ‘ economic hit-men’. Ignorance is Bliss.

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Jan 25, 2020 12:38 AM

This article does not persuade anyone that rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic will in some way extricate humanity from its current impasse. It’s not a matter of sovereign nations coming to more equitable arrangements via that den of thieves, the UN, or by some other international mechanism. Under imperialism such rearrangements at best are reactionary chimeras that can never address the true underlying monstrosity — capitalism. Imperialism is no mere ‘policy’, where the drive to predation of the major powers and their financial agents, primarily the IMF and World Bank, can be somehow changed by a UN vote. Each of the major powers has major financial and industrial cartels running their economies and governments, and these interests can never be altered at the ballot box or by a UN ‘resolution’. The root of the problem is that capitalism in the imperialist epoch has expanded far beyond the national boundaries… Read more »

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Jan 25, 2020 10:37 AM

Honestly, I could not take the time to write it up like you did. What angers me with a few articles of late – including this one – is the describing of pressing problems as if they only would need a little tweaking and it would be alright again. No, it will not be alright. Anything but that. It is fair to say that the ‘West’ is lost. It is the same ‘West’ that has dictated not only the creation of the ‘United’ Nations, but had also unilaterally created the prerequisites to create a controlling body like the UN. In conjunction with the ‘World’ bank, the International ‘Monetary Fund’ and the World Health ‘Organization’, a system was designed and implemented to make sure that the World would be organized under the business model of the ultra-rich. The same ultra-rich that paid for WWII. ‘Unbelievable Nazis’ would also be an apt… Read more »

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Jan 25, 2020 11:45 AM
Reply to  nottheonly1

I’m inclined to think that the west isn’t lost, but it has lost. Except it hasn’t realised it yet. Like the Roman empire, the US in its death throes will expend itself militarily, lashing out in all directions. It’s a very dangerous beast right now, and its imperial rivals strongly fear that the its reckless outbursts will bring the whole capitalist house of cards down. What some in the west may realise but definitely no-one wants to acknowledge is: (i) the Chinese real (productive) economy surpassed the US some years ago; and (ii) the US can no longer win a conventional or a nuclear war against Russia or China. This is because of the strategic advantage that each now has over the US with both hypersonic missiles and air defense systems. Their hypersonic missiles can now reach Washington or any other part of the mainland US and hit their targets… Read more »

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 25, 2020 12:27 PM

StephenM a reasonable attempt at trying to discern the wood – but you see too many trees. It is not capitalism that is the problem, it never has been, its bankerism. Every farmer ever has been a capitalist – investing in tools, seeds and labour to be rewarded after a harvest and taking it to a market. Getting public MONEY supply to pay interest to bankers for having ‘ownership’ of that state CREATED money has been the biggest scam from the creation of the BOE to the FED – set up as PRIVATELY owned companies themselves to collect interest from also created NATION states (Westphalia was only about that). Why you may ask did they need to create nation states? Because the people that were natives could then be marshalled to patriotic fervour to sacrifice & create Industries and infrastructure for ‘THEIR’ nations – in effect become willing slaves to… Read more »

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Jan 25, 2020 10:37 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

It’s not the means of exchange, ie money, or its creators (banks, bank cartels, government-run mints, etc) that’s the problem, even though they’re part of it. It’s the means of production which are in private hands, yet production is organised socially. Commodities are produced not for human needs but solely for realising private profits for the individual enterprise. That’s the alpha and omega of capitalism. The surplus that’s produced is appropriated and used in unaccountable and irrational ways at the exclusive discretion of the individual capitalist and his/her partners/shareholders. Capitalism is also an extremely wasteful system, ignoring the enormous literal waste that’s polluting the oceans, waterways, soil and air. So much is wasted on advertising, marketing and on all the other activities for realising the surplus value produced by the workers in their production of the capitalist’s commodities. Add in waste expended on the bloated state apparatus and war machines… Read more »

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 26, 2020 1:56 AM

StephenM, You completely ignored my starting example! You moved straight to the theory of capital and rentierism – Marx & Engels work! Why? You agree so far about banks and complain capitalisms problem is that it is in private hands – but it ALWAYS has been. Ok I’ll simplify it further and see if you can give a equally simple launchpad to what you believe. Lets go back to a fairytale- Jack and the Beanstalk. So jack has a cow that he takes to the market. Ok so far? Now as we know he didn’t quite make it to the market and got some magic beans instead… but lets not get ahead of ourselves. (I’m going to miss out a lot of detail here but will post it if absolutely necessary later) Everyone brings to the market the wealth created by their investments and skilled labours to exchange for others… Read more »

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Jan 26, 2020 4:42 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

You equate exchange of labour, money and product with capitalism, as do most liberals and others who defend it, as if capitalism has been with us since time immemorial, ‘in our bones’, part of ‘human nature’ no less. We Marxists on the other hand make a distinction between means of production, means of exchange, and ownership and labour relations. After barter, all manner of economic activity occurred before the capitalist mode of production took root and relied on some form of exchange medium. Those pre-capitalist modes were based on private ownership of the means of production, and included slavery and feudalism. These owning classes presupposed a level of productivity beyond subsistence sufficient to support a class living off the surplus product. Growing up in the midst of feudalism and laying the basis for capitalist production itself was mercantilism where produce from all over the world and domestically was put onto… Read more »

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 26, 2020 9:49 AM

Stephen you confirm my conjecture that you are merely pontificating some bs ‘Marxist’ trope – which has very little to do with reality. You confuse INDUSTRIALISATION with CAPITALISM. On purpose? Because you never thought it through? Creating mass production is what industrialism is it was about long before thecreation of Mills or Production Lines. Creating A SLAVE workforce and ARMIES of conquest is that original industrialism. Creating tools and weapons for their use and food and footwear is TRADITIONAL activity – capitalism, that you so insensibly hate, in spreading the bullshit ‘revolutionary communism/marxism’. It is that type of total BULLSHIT that leads to realities such as BREXIT is ‘good for the workers’ and HARD BREXIT even better – when it is only the BANKERS and the super rich who will benefit from it. YOU and your cohorts have enabled that. Either by design, in which case well played; or by… Read more »

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Jan 26, 2020 12:19 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Terms and categories which are grounded in specific periods of human development and history shouldn’t be used in an ahistorical, subjective sense in order to obscure any meaningful discussion and understanding about changes in human society or history. First, your use of the term ‘industrialisation’ where first you introduce its equivalence to ‘mass production’ (which is only partly true), then you proceed with this: ‘Creating A SLAVE workforce and ARMIES of conquest is that original industrialism.’ (and you could lay off the caps — they don’t make your pronouncements any more ‘profound’). No economic historian, anthropologist or ancient historian, let alone your despised Marxist, would ever equate simply a division of labour in the production of commodities or products with ‘industrialisation’. One can observe slave workforces and armies in ants nests. By your lights, ants have also ‘industrialised’. Industrialisation fully developed as a process only during the industrial revolution which… Read more »

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 26, 2020 10:27 AM

“elimination of the private ownership of the means of production itself, which also has been around a lot longer than capitalism.”

Imagine you are a artiste. Or story teller or craftsperson.

How would you function if you had NO ownership over your means of production or indeed the product?

The ‘money’ free world can NOT exist without removing all free choice. Tokens would still exist as they have in the recent past such as food and petrol vouchers of the 40’s. Not everyone wants sugar or meat or whatever – they want a choice.

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Jan 26, 2020 12:31 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Here’s some news for you: about 80% of the population has ‘NO ownership over your means of production or indeed the product’. That is, the workforce employed by the owning class, the capitalists.

We Marxists despise capitalism for its irrationality, inefficiency and its propensity for exploitation, war and destruction of human lives. Those blinded by their love for it must erect all manner of ‘definitions’ and fictions in order to defend it, as you so well demonstrate. Some call this religious belief in the ‘magic of the market’, and the sophistry it entails, ‘magical thinking’.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 26, 2020 1:01 PM

Supplying ones labour for reward IS exactly ownership of a resource. Withholding that resource IS a means of negotiation for better treatment of that resource and demand for security and reasonable reward. You neo-Marxists are mere cogs in the Bankers machinations and success- some of you know that and spread the bs philosophy that is built to fail the people and protect the banker – YOUR MASTER. You are haters of social democracies that actually have been working to raise the poorest and provide security, education and medicine for ALL. As has been proved in the western economies as well as spectacularly in recent decades in China and Russia and the failures in places where such governance has not been employed and left in the hands of the Banker Masters, which still influcts great privations on its peoples. You are shown to be the praetorian guards of the mightiest rulers… Read more »

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Jan 26, 2020 1:38 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Now you attempt to equate ‘ownership of a resource’ (in supplying one’s labour) with owning the ‘means of production or indeed the product’. Sorry, these are very different things that define the difference between the capitalist, who owns the means of production (the machines, raw materials, etc) and the final product the worker produces for him or her, and the worker, the wage slave with only their labour power to sell. Never the twain shall meet. And if ‘Withholding that resource IS a means of negotiation for better treatment of that resource and demand for security and reasonable reward’ is some kind of ‘normal’ operation of your free market in attaining that ‘reasonable reward’, then you need to get out some more. This claim is risible. When workers ‘withhold their labour’, they’re met with cops, courts and all manner of state and non-state violence in the service of the owners.… Read more »

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 26, 2020 6:57 PM

Show me the money.

What is your learned theory of money?

Unions are what allowed the workers to get better treatment- not your version of ‘marxists’.

You are slithering around the very realities I have presented for you to address. Because you are reading a script.

That makes you stand out as someones mouthpiece of an agenda.

So now for completeness sake I will go back and parse Jack and the Beanstalk, for the record.

Enjoy the benefits of your ideology as the Brexit bites and the these who believed the bs finally realise they didn’t get magic beans but a pup in a bag.

Pitchforks speak pretty loudly!

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 26, 2020 7:00 PM

Btw
” (That’s why, Virginia, the capitalist…)

Wtf does that even mean? Shirley doesn’t make sense does it?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 26, 2020 7:10 PM

Well lets get back to Jack – since it seems we are dealing with a hardcore divide & rule invective spouting parrot.

1A. How does he come to be an owner ? Is he a thief?
1B. How did he suddenly have a fully grown cow? Did he steal it?
2A. What is his need?
2B. Why is his need only going to be met by transferring his ownership of his cow to someone else?
3A. What is a ‘market’ that he has to go to effect his plan?
3B. Why would someone want to take ownership of his cow?
4A. What does he expect in return for giving away ownership of his cow – will the new owner be able to satisfy his need 2A?
4B. Will he never need to own a cow himself again?

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Jan 27, 2020 12:07 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Money (standard Marxist definition) is: (i) a measure of value; (ii) a universally accepted representative of value, a universally accepted embodiment of wealth; (iii) a means of payment. Today money in itself has no intrinsic value, even though historically it did where its value was reflected in the gold or silver content of the coinage. That went by the wayside as coin shavings reached the melting pot, but because money came to be accepted as the universal representative of value and therefore could be exchanged for any commodity, it is the universal commodity. Its universalisation only came about as commodity production purely for the market became universalised. Money’s only use value is as a measure of value and the means of exchange and payment. Unlike the commodity it’s exchanged for, which does have a specific use value, money doesn’t drop out of circulation or cease to be of value. It… Read more »

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 27, 2020 7:53 AM

StephenM, thanks for at least attempting to answer my posits, there may be hope yet if you can get past screed that you are parroting- like a trained cleric – for that is what your religion is. Before I summarise and address your arguments here are my answers to my questions:- 1A&B-if he didn’t steal it, he raised the cow from a baby cow – fed it, looked after it , somewhere it was secure (his home? A patch of commons?)- ie he invested in a baby cow with his effort. Maybe he found a baby cow or someone gave it to him in exchange for something he had – labour? He is an INVESTOR using HIS WEALTH (which can also be simply his labour). 2A – his need is to turn the result of his investments into something else that the grown cow can enable – food? clothes? Horse?… Read more »

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Jan 27, 2020 9:49 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

I think you need to understand that me relating facts isn’t some kind of religious parroting as you seem to think. These facts are well established, they’re ‘stubborn things’ and tend to get in the way of your fairytales. They no doubt will be repeated to you by others not necessarily of the Marxist persuasion. If you need fairytales to understand the world then that’s fine, but don’t expect anyone to take you seriously, including me.

Please try and engage with facts and history. Otherwise I’m not at all interested in your middle-school attempts to convey the simplistic ‘economic man’ explanation of the world. It’s moronic, insulting, and a time waster. If you can’t refute the facts and historical record that I’ve presented to you and instead resort to your fables, then please waste someone else’s time. I think I’ve humoured you for long enough.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 27, 2020 6:14 PM

These are not facts that you quote but ‘Marxist’ beliefs. I made up my dissection of Jack by myself based on years of trying to understand ‘money’ of which I have made a lot and lost plenty too. I studied Economics to A levels and science thereafter before my various money earning activities. It is only in semi-retirement and political engagement since that i have tried to use my logical training and experiences to question what was NOT taught in Economics and still isn’t, to realise that there is a veil and a fog which has been put in place a long time ago. To look beyond that to actual historical facts and not buy into the theories that we have been sold as some kind of religious creation myth. The fact is you have only repeated the prevailing myth created centuries ago like a good religious student – the… Read more »

Daniel
Daniel
Jan 25, 2020 2:31 PM

Excellent analysis Stephen and ‘nottheonly1’. Thank you. Are you aware of ‘the venus project’? A very carefully thought out and wise vision (after decades of study and observation) that proposes how to the practicay apply of exactly what you pointed out here.

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Jan 25, 2020 10:46 PM
Reply to  Daniel

Yes, I learnt about the Venus project a few years ago, and it’s impressive. There are numerous useful projects envisioning a rational future, which is always a good sign. But the main concern now is removing the chief obstacle, the social and historical baggage that weighs like a millstone around humanity’s neck, which seeks at all costs to prevent any possibility of such a rational and humane future ever arising.

paul
paul
Jan 27, 2020 4:02 PM

The answer is to ditch all corrupt, compromised, mendacious, politicised international organisations like the UN, IAEA, OPCW, ICC, ECHR, which are simply tools of US imperialism and US aggression, with a revolving door with the State Department.
Particularly the UN, which has never once lifted a finger against the genocidal Zionist Regime.
Add in all the CIA front organisations, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Save The Children.
And bogus charities like the Red Cross and Oxfam.
Together with WADA and the Olympics.

Set up new organisations which serve a genuine purpose and are not tools of Zionist/ Neocon intrigue and chicanery.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jan 24, 2020 10:52 PM

It looks like Putin has a Russian version of the Chinese priority, ‘harmony’, as a future model for humanity. Hence the fit between Russia and China in opposing the Atlanticist drive for ‘ Full Spectrum DOMINANCE’, that role granted them alone by Lawd God Awmighty hisself. I’m afraid that Putin and Xi’s vision stands no chance against the lunatic psychopaths who rule in Washington DC.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jan 25, 2020 12:18 AM

Was going to post a comment, but both yours and Pasha’s comment pretty much sums up our situation.
The nut jobs in Washington are not capable of being rational. They are insane with power and lust for Full Spectrum Dominance as you both say.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Jan 26, 2020 12:38 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

There are now 175 Canadian Firefighters downunder in Oz, Gezzah. Fifteen Canadian Military firefighting specialists are being sent over too. Sorry about one of our water bombers crapping out the other day but we are doing our level best to assist.

Cheers, MOU

pasha
pasha
Jan 24, 2020 10:29 PM

Yeah, nice idea but it depends on the parties being willing, sane and reasonable. The US is ruled by an idiot-savant, psychopathic, paranoid, megalomaniac oligarchy and asking them to participate in a rational discussion is beyond futile.
We will have change only when the current system collapses. It may happen soon or not but it will be an agonizing and terrifying process which the planet may not survive.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jan 24, 2020 10:55 PM
Reply to  pasha

You’ve hit the nail right into the lid. Who, in the Evil and moronic Inferno of Washington DC, is fit or inclined to lead the USA into a position of joining the rest of humanity in working to avoid the Apocalypse? Half the Evil vermin WANT the world to end, and soon, as their vile ‘ religion’ says that it must.

Gall
Gall
Jan 24, 2020 9:55 PM

The big mistake was giving France, UK and the US or FUKU or FUKUS, USSR NKA Russia and China any veto over the other independent Nations on the planet. Especially since the first two were responsible for hobbling together the Frankenstein monster known as the United States of America that was created by rapacious theft and genocide of the indigenous population followed by almost total ecocide and now has been loosed upon the world it seems to accomplish the same thing under the cover of bringing it “freedom and democracy”.

Paul
Paul
Jan 24, 2020 5:50 PM

It’s a pity the experience of the League of Nations isn’t examined any longer because it is instructive. OK Congress declined to approve it so the Pilot Wilson was missing but more serious was the problem of totally partisan and self serving decisions that made its provisions a mockery. Italy was ‘allowed’ to keep on occupying Ethiopia and sanctions eg on oil were simply declined, partly because the US supplied the oil and wasn’t going to stop selling it, especially to Mussolini who was rapidly becoming a client state of America in enormous debt.

BigB
BigB
Jan 24, 2020 5:21 PM

Someone said it was ”banal” of me to oppose ‘The Western Intellectual Tradition’ (TWIT). Well, here is its vision *in extremis*. If you do not recognise it: this is ‘Platonic Humanism’ in all its glory. It reads well. It is sensible and intelligible in its clearly written propositions. It has meaning and clearly denotes real world events – right? And yet it is ultimately unintelligible and non-sensical …in an early Wittgensteinian sense of its underlying logic. If you did not immediately recognise the subtextual vision of Lyndon LaRouche: you might want to read it again? The underlying logic is one of economic infinity: completely decoupled from the neo-Malthusian sustainable ‘green iron cage’ that prohibits the *productive* economy growing forever …as per the deluded LaRouchian proscription. Which is utterly banal: if not actually exceedingly dangerous. This fact of life is the essential proof that not only mankind but the universe is… Read more »

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jan 25, 2020 6:37 AM
Reply to  BigB

It is reminiscent of anthropogenic climate denialists. They simply deny that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, as these lunatics deny the Second Law of Thermodynamics. You can get away with it because every Dunning-Krugerite has a Nobel Prize in his back-pack, and are so very easily conned by snake oil peddlers employed by the fossil fuel industry and the ideological Right. One also thinks of the Flat Earth strangelings, although they seem to have fallen off the edge of the planet.

johny conspiranoid
johny conspiranoid
Jan 25, 2020 9:23 AM

” Flat Earth strangelings, ”
There’s a psy-op if ever there was one.

paul
paul
Jan 24, 2020 3:09 PM

Russia and China have always been status quo powers, more concerned with their own internal development than implementing insane Neocon/ James Bond Villain-style fantasies of world domination. This was true even during the period of communist rule. Their growth and influence in the world can only be viewed as a positive development.

China built the infrastructure in the Third World that was neglected during centuries of colonialism.

China builds things.
America (and its cringing satellites like Britain and France) bomb things.
Most people in Africa and elsewhere prefer building things to bombing things.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jan 25, 2020 6:40 AM
Reply to  paul

The Judeo-Christian tradition is one in large part consisting of hatred of the other, the heathen, the savage, the goy, from the Old Testament/Torah to Iraq, Libya, Syria, Gaza etc, with oceans of blood and woe in between.

paul
paul
Jan 27, 2020 4:10 PM

Toss in the gooks and the sand niggers.

Zoran Aleksic
Zoran Aleksic
Jan 25, 2020 10:55 PM
Reply to  paul

It’s actually a different choice – building things or being bombed.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jan 24, 2020 3:02 PM

A good piece – The UN is not fit for purpose. The SCO already operates under a ‘charter’ – which goes past religion and cultural hagemony by any one nation or peoples. Since it already represents more than half the worlds population and the majority of its land mass – it is only a matter of time that the defunct UN is upgraded to these standards and absorbed into it OR crashes and burns. Today there were hundreds of thousands of Iraqis – maybe over million, in showing the US and its allies that they really are serious about their national sovereignty and demand that the foreign forces fuck off! The US response? To revive the old divide and rule option. Break up Iraq into religion and sectarian areas – using the ‘never learning Charlie Brown’ proxy Kurds by offering them tet another football to kick! While the world accelerates… Read more »

paul
paul
Jan 27, 2020 4:15 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

The number of demonstrators was somewhere between 1.5 and 4 million.
Though if it was 40 million it wouldn’t matter to the Exceptional and Indispensable Folk.
They’ll shortly call out their head chopper Foreign Legion again with a brand new name and a brand new “really scary” mad moslem leader to do their dirty work and terrify us all.

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Jan 24, 2020 2:56 PM

Excellent. Worthy of wide dissemination for its first nine paragraphs alone.

BigB
BigB
Jan 24, 2020 3:54 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Phillip, my friend …this is not a personal attack, but – have you heard of Lyndon LaRouche? I suggest you might want to read up on his agenda then re-read the text in its wider context? The subtleties are not explicit: but if you are aware of LaRouche – or read some of the authors other texts – they are obvious in the subtext. The basic premise – unstated herein – is for Trump, Putin, and Xi to form a wider multipolar alliance against the British economic empire (the British Deep State infiltrators) for untrammeled infinite global economic growth – with maximum penetration of nuclear power (eventually nuclear fission) into every economy of the world. To the ends of a global bourgeois consumer culture serviced by the BRI intitiative. Unrestricted by neo-Malthusian ecologists like me, who say this is impossible. We may not always see eye to eye: but I’m… Read more »

Norn
Norn
Jan 24, 2020 2:51 PM

UN Charter .. “sustainable development of humankind”

One of the top priorities must be: Swift actions to STOP poisoning our food.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Jan 24, 2020 2:30 PM

A very sanguine view of FDR. To be sure, it’s impossible to say with 100% certainty what he would have done had he survived the war, but it boggles the mind to think that he was going to be forever cool with the idea of sharing the world with Russia and China, when he abjectly refused to share it with Germany and Japan in his own lifetime. And please don’t believe that old canard about the Japanese wanting to take over America; it was actually Roosevelt who precipitated the whole war with Japan, with his oil embargo and what not. He even had advance knowledge of Pearl Harbor from multiple sources, but deliberately withheld that intelligence from his own navy. FDR clearly wanted the attack on Pearl Harbor to be as devastating as possible, so as to drag his recalcitrant countrymen to war, and it worked. In fact, eighty years… Read more »

seriouslyman
seriouslyman
Jan 24, 2020 2:21 PM

Everything Putin says is perfect. There is nothing bad that can be said about Russia on offguardian. Anyone with any mild criticism of russia is a pro imperialist bastard and cannot be engaged with. Offguardian has rightly attacked almost every significant political figure on earth from corbyn to trump. Putin is the only person who can save us. There is no flaw in his character or politics and anyone who suggests otherwise is a conspiracy theorist. Good on Offguardian for never publishing any negative stories about this brilliant intelligent fair play hero who will save us all from hell.

paul
paul
Jan 24, 2020 3:14 PM
Reply to  seriouslyman

No, Little Greta is going to save us.
Vlad isn’t going to do that, but he has done quite a good job so far of stopping the Exceptional And Indispensable People from blowing up the planet.
This gives Greta the chance to save us all from the global warming and the polar bears.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jan 24, 2020 10:59 PM
Reply to  paul

What do you put your allergic reaction to reality down to?

paul
paul
Jan 25, 2020 2:27 AM
Reply to  paul

And the New Ice Age.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jan 27, 2020 8:27 AM
Reply to  paul

Will all that ice make your Flat Earth tilt over, sending us all falling into the void?

paul
paul
Jan 27, 2020 4:19 PM

No, all the global warming’s going to melt all the ice so it’s all going to cancel each other out.

Andy
Andy
Jan 24, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  seriouslyman

Sarcasm can be an effective tool for making a point. This is an example of it not being.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Jan 24, 2020 4:24 PM
Reply to  seriouslyman

I am trying hard to assess your contribution but couldn’t find anything either interesting or relevant to say about it, other than it is little more than sarcastic rant. How does it, or is it even meant to, increase our understanding of international relations? Who exactly makes those claims about Putin? What I would say about Putin is that he is simply talking like a foreign policy realist. More power to his elbow I say; we could do with some more realism. His political position is very similar to American foreign policy realists such John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt who to their credit put the Zionist noses (AIPAC, JINSA, ADL, AEI) out of joint with the publication of – ”The Israel Lobby”. Putin’s views could have come straight out of the Treaty of Westphalia (1648) which brought an end to the Wars of the Reformation could have come straight from… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Jan 24, 2020 5:53 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

seriouslyman has a point. The progressive world is extremely slow to recognise the capitalist colonisation of 70% of the Eurasian globe as an existential threat to humanity. As I have been pointing out: capitalism does not transform to a benign humanist alternative as it travels West to East. Russia and China’s economic expansionist extractivisim is inimical to all life on Earth. Especially as China has taken a coal-fired ‘Great Leap Backwards’ to maintain growth in the face of the secular synchronised global economic slowdown. When the very real extinction level threat of industrialised financialised capitalism is reduced to a personification and represented as the personality of one man – VVP – this is nothing more than a masking discourse that conceals the globalised extinctionism of fossil fuel capitalism. Perhaps the time to reflect on the superior personality of VVP will come when we are all gasping for our last breath… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 24, 2020 7:12 PM
Reply to  BigB

You know BigB I can’t help but get the feeling that behind all that polysyllabic pontificating, everything you say comes down to a kind of masked reactionary claptrap. You call yourself “neo-Malthusian”. Well that’s comparatively candid. Malthus being the most obvious case of a capitalist apologist of the most brutal sort. And how interesting that you are having a go at Putin here – as if to suggest that even some kind of socialist transformation isn’t going to save us. So what then? Some kind of reaching back to some healthy sparsely populated savannah filled with Conan the barbarian types? And this: “Perhaps the time to reflect on the superior personality of VVP will come when we are all gasping for our last breath – breathing in petrol?” Seems to me you are secretly longing for that moment of last breath when you can finally gleefully shout, “Nyah nyah nyah… Read more »

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jan 25, 2020 6:44 AM
Reply to  George Mc

By 2100, a savanna populated by Conan will seem paradisaical to the tattered remnants of humanity (if any)wandering the wastes of the far North and Antarctica.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jan 25, 2020 7:23 AM
Reply to  George Mc

And how interesting that you are having a go at Putin here – as if to suggest that even some kind of socialist transformation isn’t going to save us.

It isn’t. Or, to get the tense right, it hasn’t. Or to get the semantics right, it didn’t.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jan 25, 2020 7:29 AM
Reply to  George Mc

And how interesting that you are having a go at Putin here – as if to suggest that even some kind of socialist transformation isn’t going to save us.

It isn’t. Or, to get the tense right, it hasn’t. Or to get the semantics right, it didn’t. You’re still living and breathing? That’s called “borrowed time”.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 25, 2020 9:25 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

I assume by your “borrowed time” quip that you agree with BB? As for the socialism not saving us, well it didn’t get much of a chance – considering that it always took place against a capitalist background that sure as hell wasn’t going to give it a chance.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jan 26, 2020 12:06 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I assume by your “borrowed time” quip that you agree with BB? Agree with BB? In some things, yes. For instance his(?) in his self-proclaimed neo-Malthusianism (although I hadn’t thought of it under that banner), which has nothing to do with socialism v capitalism, but to do with finite resources (a much bigger concept than it appears to be at first sight, and why he spent so much time going on about negative entropy, later termed negentropy (see Schrödinger’s What is Life? for the concept’s origin), before he accepted that telling dumbfucks the blatantly obvious was to be on a hiding to nowhere (dumbfucks are dumbfucks) and switched to McMurtry’s more humanist formulation–see The Cancer Stage of Capitalism, particularly as presented in the second edition–instead). Socialism never given a chance? Of course it isn’t, except in the hearts of the despised, deprived and disadvanted, where it is the reason why… Read more »

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Jan 25, 2020 9:03 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Agreed. It sometimes sounds like Private Fraser in Dad’s Army ‘were dooooomed’ Historically speaking it seems like a reiteration of David Ricardo’s theory of diminishing returns. His friend and interlocutor Thomas Malthus was also besotted with this sort reactionary pessimism. The theory was that humans had a propensity to utilize abundance for population growth rather than for maintaining a high standard of living, a view that has become known as the “Malthusian trap” or the “Malthusian spectre” of cyclical mass starvation.As it turned out both were wrong. This is not to say that this tendency cannot happen, but it is a tendency not a law. The future is unknowable and mankind is very inventive and adaptable. As for economic theories, these must always be, and always have been provisional. Population growth is very uneven and in many places is actually in decline. Fertility rates in the whole of Europe is… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Jan 25, 2020 10:19 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

The particulars of the future are indeed unknowable. But Mandel coined the term “parametric determination”. When you reduce your options: the future is indeed knowable. The outcome of exponential debts; exponential growth; exponential entropy; and exponential depletion are not just known …we are living them. 1% of the global people own half the wealth of the planet- up 12% this year – while 21,000 children a day die from preventable causes to support them. Their wealth – if you can call it that – is down 11%. VVP and Xi’s welfare distribution is expropriated from that 11% polarization …which is fueled by fossil fuel extractivism. Surely you can project the underlying principles of capitalist wealth monopoly? I can. Short term extinctionism for those who are not already dying to support the exponentially widening divide. See Jason Hickel’s book of that title for conclusive proofs. The thing is: another world is… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Jan 25, 2020 9:36 AM
Reply to  George Mc

The very real point of occasionally commenting is to avoid the worst case scenario …not to gloat. I’d be a really sad sick fuck if that was my motivation. I haven’t got time to explain that I did not say a word about VVP. I spoke of the social construction of VVP as a configuration and representative concept for Russian capitalism. Which Marx calls a Fetish, which is an imagistic and imaginary social and ecological relationship. Forget VVP. Russia is the fourth largest primary energy consumer on the planet, which, with only 1% renewables penetration, is solely powered by fossil fuels and nuclear energy. It also has a bio-material source to sink throughput equivalent to a consumption rate of the bio-capacity of 3.3 planets per capita, increasing exponentially year on year. Which has not even the remote chance of decarbonisation or becoming sustainable. So, do you like the smell of… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 25, 2020 10:25 AM
Reply to  BigB

I daresay you’re a very clever chap BB. It’s just that I have difficulty understanding you. “The very real point of occasionally commenting is to avoid the worst case scenario…” I have no idea what that’s supposed to mean. It looks like a non-sequitur. If you’re going to start talking about social constructions and representative concepts then we’re on a slippery slope. Any figure appearing in the media could be described as a social construct or representative concept. Nobody likes the smell of petroleum. But you seem to have tied in this global crisis in with “the imagistic personality of one man” – as if this latter was a distraction. Well maybe it is – but is Putin in particular a distraction – or are you only saying that because Off-G and the left in general are likely to “idolise” Putin? (and this is where my suspiciousness about reaction comes… Read more »

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jan 26, 2020 3:02 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“The very real point of occasionally commenting is to avoid the worst case scenario…” I have no idea what that’s supposed to mean. It looks like a non-sequitur. It means what it says. BigB is hoping to replace the death culture narrative that informs capitalism (and many of its precursors), including the mindset that informs the organization of the nations of Russia and China, with a life culture narrative (and hence all associated social derivatives) to lead to a reorganization of our lifestyles on this planet that will avoid the worst case scenario, namely that the whole human life on Earth thingy goes down the extinction tubes, carrying you and everything else with it. Because without such a fundamental realignment of our undertandings and values, down the extinction tubes it will surely go, probably sooner rather than later. It’s just that I’m not sure what your counter narrative is –… Read more »

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jan 26, 2020 3:08 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

“…demonstrated ability either to conceive or…” –>”…demonstrated no ability either to conceive or…

tim jenkins
tim jenkins
Jan 28, 2020 8:54 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

“Say little about what you know and nothing at all about what you don’t know. When a discussion degenerates into a dispute, keep silent. Do not do anything which the whole world cannot know about.”

Following your links … 🙂 always a chuckle.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 26, 2020 3:29 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

“As we hear from German ideologists, Germany has in the last few years gone through an unparalleled revolution. The decomposition of the Hegelian philosophy, which began with Strauss, has developed into a universal ferment into which all the “powers of the past” are swept. In the general chaos mighty empires have arisen only to meet with immediate doom, heroes have emerged momentarily only to be hurled back into obscurity by bolder and stronger rivals. It was a revolution beside which the French Revolution was child’s play, a world struggle beside which the struggles of the Diadochi [successors of Alexander the Great] appear insignificant. Principles ousted one another, heroes of the mind overthrew each other with unheard-of rapidity, and in the three years 1842-45 more of the past was swept away in Germany than at other times in three centuries. All this is supposed to have taken place in the realm… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Jan 29, 2020 1:06 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The general mindset we have now – which is pan-global, at least at the “educated” or “advanced” level – has its roots in the Ionian School of the 6th century BP. The roots of current metaphysics were formalised by Plato, and categorised by Aristotle …who also introduced bi-valent logic. With very little modification then till now: this Foundation and Essentialist metaphysical core has been and is the architecture of all knowledge: philosophical, scientific, and even mathematical. Philosophies and ideologies may come and go: but the deep mindset and architectonics of belief remain unchanged. The one major modification was that the eternal predicates of the Platonic soul were transferred to that of the strictly objective rational mindset by Descartes. The only indubitable thing is the mindset itself. Feuerbach also showed that the predicates of God – which are a wholly human projection onto Nature – have been internalised as the predicates… Read more »

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jan 29, 2020 7:30 AM
Reply to  BigB

I think it is pretty plain that we have passed the planetary carrying capacity already. Around 1980 I reckon. ‘ There’s a deal of ruin in a planet’, but we’ve got there.

paul
paul
Jan 24, 2020 8:14 PM
Reply to  BigB

US investment good, Chinese investment bad!
US oil companies good, Russian and Chinese oil companies bad!!
Baa! Baa-aa!! Baa-aaaa!!!

Zoran Aleksic
Zoran Aleksic
Jan 25, 2020 11:10 PM
Reply to  BigB

Absolutely. Our fossil fuels production is progress, but when they dare extract their own it’s the world’s extinction. Evil bastards!

Frank
Frank
Jan 24, 2020 4:32 PM
Reply to  seriouslyman

Sorry, but this doesn’t sound much like satire.

It sounds like an 8-year-old taught you everything you know about geopolitics, and unfortunately it all went a bit over your head.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 24, 2020 7:53 PM
Reply to  seriouslyman

Two points:

First, I fail to see the point of pillorying Putin when the entire Western media is already doing so.

Second, to pillory Putin on the pretence of “a plague on all their houses” takes us nicely into that pleasant non-committal “higher sphere” where all-is-one-and-one-is-all. The old con trick of “being reasonable” in order to sit on an all-facing fence and basically have no opinion at all.

Gall
Gall
Jan 24, 2020 9:03 PM
Reply to  seriouslyman

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

Estaugh
Estaugh
Jan 24, 2020 9:39 PM
Reply to  seriouslyman

So far, Vlad has being doing a very good job, (saving us all from Hell), and it seems, most of the world is increasingly backing him up. That’s tough on ‘pro-imperialist bastards’ but that’s cricket.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Jan 24, 2020 11:48 AM

Are you okay?