The Skripal Case – Two Years On
It’s been two years to the day since disgraced former military intelligence officer Sergei Skripal, and his daughter Yulia, were allegedly found on a park bench in Salisbury, near unconscious and apparently very unwell.
A lot has been said about the unanswered questions revolving around the incident. But perhaps the best of way of demonstrating the peculiarity of the alleged situation is to simply relate, in full, the “official version”.
Here it is:
- Sergei Skripal, a Russian military intelligence officer, was found guilty of spying for the UK in 2006, and sentenced to 13 years in prison.
- In 2010 he was released and traded to the United Kingdom as part of a spy swap. Having settled in the UK Sergei lived a quiet and comfortable life of retirement, so far as we know
- Eight years later, in early 2018, with a Presidential election looming and just weeks before Russia was due to host the FIFA World Cup, Vladimir Putin decided to assassinate him for as yet obscure reasons.
- The GU, Russia’s military intelligence unit, dispatched two of their elite officers, who proceeded to fly direct from Moscow under aliases they had allegedly already employed and using Russian passports.
- These alleged assassins carried with them two perfume bottles full of “Novichok”, allegedly one of the deadliest nerve agents ever devised. This would be enough to kill around 800,000 people.
- On arriving in the UK these highly-trained covert agents book a hotel with a CCTV camera on the front door, and the next day, March 3, they travel to Salisbury by train, allegedly to recon the area, then return to London. They are apparently observed by CCTV camera’s the entire time.
- The day following, March 4, they again travel to Salisbury, this time the master assassins walk to Skripal’s house and somehow “smear” the liquid Novichok on the handle of his front door.
- No eye-witness, photograph or piece of CCTV footage has ever been made publicly available to show either of these two men anywhere in the area of Sergei Skripal’s house.
- The whereabouts of the opened bottle of poison have never been established.
- Having applied the poison, the two highly trained assassins do two things before returning to London. 1) They drop their second, unopened, bottle of novichok (presumably enough to kill approx 400,000 people) in a charity donation bin, rather than destroying it or taking it back to Russia. 2) They stop by an antiques store to browse.
- The two assassins leave the country that afternoon, flying direct to Moscow, without knowing if their alleged target is dead, and again making no effort to conceal their origins.
- Despite both handling the poison, and somehow carrying enough of it back to contaminate their hotel room, neither of the men – nor any of the staff, train passengers or passersby who come into contact with them – ever become sick, even though only 0.2mg of Novichok is an allegedly lethal dose.
- Later that afternoon, Sergei and Yulia Skripal are found “almost unconscious”on a park bench in Salisbury town centre. It is claimed this was due to contact with the Novichok smeared on Sergei’s door handle, though reports originally stated neither he nor his daughter had returned to the house, and the timing seems to make it unlikely they did
- The person who found them was the most senior nurse in the British Army (likely in the area as part of Toxic Dagger, the British Military’s landmark chemical weapons training exercise which began Feb 20th and ran on until March 12th).
- The nurse and her family administer “emergency aid” to the two alleged poisoning victims. Neither she nor anyone else on the scene, nor any of the first responders, ever experience any symptoms of nerve agent poisoning. Neither do any of the other people the Skripal’s came into contact with that day.
- DS Nick Bailey, a CID officer is in contact with the Skripals or their home at this time and subsequently becomes ill. It has never been stated how exactly he was exposed. It was initially reported he was a first responder to the scene, but that story was changed and it was later claimed he visited the Skripal hpouse. Despite the alleged lethality of novichok in even very minute doses, Bailey is fit to return home after 18 days.
- Porton Down, the British government’s chemical weapons research centre, is brought in to help identify what chemical – if any – the Skripals/Bailey were exposed to.
- Within a month they release a statement claiming the poison was “a novichok like agent”, but that they could not pinpoint its origin. How they were able to test for a (at the time) theoretical chemical without having a sample to test against, has never been explained.
- Porton Down is 8 minutes away from Salisbury by car.
- Nearly four months later, in late June of 2018, Charlie Rowley finds the unopened perfume bottle a full of novichok (whether he bought it from a charity shop or found it in a bin is unclear, both stories have been reported). Upon using the perfume Rowley’s partner, Dawn Sturgess, falls ill. Later that day Rowley also falls ill. Sturgess dies in hospital two weeks later. But Rowley survives. Making him the fourth person in this narrative to survive exposure to an agent lethal in doses as small as 0.2mg.
- Sergei Skripal and Julia both recovered and allegedly chose to live secluded lives. Sergei has not appeared in public at all since allegedly being found on that park bench. Yulia made one brief press statement. Their current whereabouts are totally unknown. Their family in Russia have apparently been denied all access to them. DS Bailey was initially also keen to maintain his privacy but has subsequently given at least one interview some while after the event.
This is the UK government’s version of what happened. Unvarnished and unsatirised. None of it is disputed, exaggerated or speculative.
If you can see any unanswered questions, logical gaps or peculiar coincidences…you are likely a Russian bot.
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what about the identities of the two suspects?
are they or are they not intelligence officers?
answering that question is necessary, and
what where they doing in Salisbury?
and
why they lied in RT interview claiming a fake identity as businessmen?
I agree with this article but lacking a response of these questions means that the issue is not wholly explained
I haven’t seen the interview on RT but did they not say they planned to see Stonehenge and other heritage sites in the same area on a weekend trip to England.
You know just like many middle and working class Brits visit the European continent on weekend trips.
So much so that Richard Ayoade has made 10 series comprising a total of 40 episodes of a TV show doing just that, several of those episodes being to Russian cities.
Implying that two middle class Russians would not be inclined to spend their income on a weekend trip to sites with in one of the most well known, excavated, detailedly scanned, researched and mapped neolithic sites in Europe, Salisbury Plain, for the purposes of their own personal enjoyment smacks of outright Racism.
More so than the casual British racism of doing funny foreign accents and the streotypical use of saying all Australians and Poles are racist.
When you say
‘The person who found them was the most senior nurse in the British Army (likely in the area as part of Toxic Dagger, the British Military’s landmark chemical weapons training exercise which began Feb 20th and ran on until March 12th). ‘
That seems remarkable because:
1. On 7/7 the powers that be were actively playing out a role playing game in London, which just happened to be the targets the alleged perpetrators actually attacked.
2. On 9/11 there were all sort of wargames in play, including ones involving hijacked planes, and FEMA happened to be in the locale for another pertinent exercise when hijackers decided to crash the party.
I do hate it when my left gonad starts to itch. It’s usually happens when someones trying it on.
In my opinion from researching the entire picture the Skripal fiasco was initiated for a number of reasons, 1 the Golden Showers Dossier invented by former head of the Russia desk at MI6 Mr. Christopher Steele loyal former MI6 agent at the Russia desk Pablo Miller and his former double agent Sergei Skripal. The fall out that the UK’s secret service had been working against the now POTUS could be devastating and any ‘loose threads’ needed to be pulled, Sergei was just such a loose thread. 2, Russia had ruined the UK’s plan to remove Assad in Syria via their proxy Islamist terrorist armies they’d been corralling since as early as 2009, turning Syria into yet another failed state which could pose no threat to the West’s new vision of the Middle East. This vision was now well and truly flushed down the lavatory thanks to Putin. 3, Humiliate Russia by ruining the World Cup, had half a dozen teams decided not to enter because of the fake novichok tale the World Cup would have been a total wash-out and Russia would not have been able to impress the World and its mother, a situation that came to fruition and tourism has had a massive boost since the World Cup. 4, peddle the lie that Russia is this James Bond like villain who goes to ridiculous lengths with ridiculous plot lines to murder its enemies with the most dangerous chemical known to man thus threatening many innocent lives, only luck stopped this happening. Of course motive is one aspect completely missing from the UK’s version, if Putin had wanted Sergei dead he’d have died in prison, or when he contacted Putin 3 years previous asking permission to return to see his mother, Putin refused, surely had he wanted the man dead he’d have said yes and then had him thrown under the wheels of a passing lorry? And we must remember that the highest levels of polonium in the Litvinenko case were found not in the tea pot or the hotel but in Litvinenko’s boss’ office the dodgy oligarch Boris Berezovsky. No explanation has ever been made for this fact.
Looking once more at the photo of the Skripals above, is that a glass of Corona Sergei is toasting with? (Sorry for being so flippant. I was getting awfully confused/depressed with the other OffG story…)
I still cannot recall who the chap taking the photo is: was he dining with them, or maybe from a different table, or one of the waiter staff? Is he relevant to the narratives (official and alternative)?
He’s Pablo, Sergei’s MI6 handler.
Thanks, Lundiel. Is he then protected by the D Notice? One wonders if he has a new job at Integrity Initiative, or maybe he is the new head of White Helmets….Lots of interesting job opportunities for these psychopathic liars. They are indeed like a contagion which seeks to infest and destroy the minds and lives of simple, honest, trusting people. It would be fascinating to read a psychiatric assessment.
As far as I know, Pablo Miller is protected by a D-notice so if he were the individual whose reflection appears in the mirror of the photo, that photo would presumably have never seen the light of day in the first place and would not have been available for sharing since then. The individual taking the picture of the Skripals sharing a toast is likely to be someone else.
Some sources I have seen suggest that person was the driver who picked up Julia Skripal at the airport in London and drove her to Salisbury Saturday 3 March 2018 to meet her father. The driver was well known to both Skripals as the photo of the two holding up their glasses predates their March 4 disappearance.
Not sure about that. If you compare to the photos of him on the web, the eyebrows are very different.
I disagree Tony.. look at the bridge of the nose where the eyebrows meet. the creases are the same .. the photographer is Pablo Miller.
Maybe,this could be like The Mouse Trap”.
Could the detective have been applying some BZ around the Skripal home and spilt some on himself.
That might explain why the Skripal home had to be virtually demolished along with everything else.
You may be right there Brian? Perhaps that is why the ‘Detective’s home’ has been demolished?
I had forgotten about that.
Again if Skripal had got hold of some of the viruses that Porton Down were working on then that might explain the paranoia exhibited by the British Government.
Novichock is the red herring here Brian..
Skripal was working for MI6 on a dossier requested by Killary, intended to discredit Trump and prevent him being President. He knew his position was fragile, so to cover his back he kept a copy.
When his daughter came to invite him to her wedding in Russia, and said she had a safe passage for him, and two bodyguards had been arranged to escort them. The spooks had to act quickly to get them off the streets, so drugged their drinks, and then when they had been given the anti dote, MI6 tortured them to find out where the duplicated documents were. That is the reason they took the house to pieces, and even removed the roof?
Yulia and Sergei are now dead.
‘Wars really are started by the mainstrem media’
During the war on Iraq did you know America’s media watch-dog was run by Colin Powell’s son?
I wasn’t aware of that Harry, thanks.
Are you aware that the Syrian Opposition Watch/ United National’s Democratic Council is controlled by the Butcher of Homs Rifaat al Asaad’s son Safir? Who is also the chairman of the Arab News Network, the first Arab satellite channel focused on Middle Eastern affairs, political news and analytical journalism. which broadcasts in both English & Arabic & is dedicated to News& entertainment. LONDON.
Safir and his brother Ribal can be seen constantly criticising his cousin, on Western media.
God shave your queen,and her fascist regime,still stands.
Well, this is disappointing. First it mocks the official narrative because the “highly trained assassins” were caught on CCTV (which is a particularly specious line of reasoning), and then it mocks it for them *not* being caught on CCTV. Apparently, without a hint of irony 🤦🏻♂️
Then it mocks the official narrative because the people who came into contact with the Skripals were unaffected, before proceeding to mention the policeman, who *was* affected 🤦🏻♂️
It repeatedly claims that the compound was much less deadly than Novichok, ignoring the facts that (a) it did kill somebody, (b) it’s wrong to presume that it was 100% pure, and (c) assuming, realistically, that they were using old Soviet Uzbeki stock of the notoriously-difficult-to-synthesise compound from the 1970s, the efficacy would have dropped significantly, because all drugs “go off” 🤦🏻♂️
They falsely hypothesise that the compound couldn’t have been identified as a Novichok-like nerve agent because Novichoks were unknown, hadn’t been characterised before, and there was no sample to test it against. The facts are that they’ve been known to intelligence agencies since the 1990s, samples were created and characterised in Iran in 2016 and given to the OPCW, and there was never any need for a reference sample because unknown compounds can be identified by mass spectroscopy (which is a very basic analytical chemistry technique) 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
There’s clearly some degree of obfuscation surrounding the events, but the author has just filled the holes in the official story with unscientific, irrational nonsense
All those people disliking my post because they don’t agree with objective reality. SMH 🤦🏻♂️
Sorry Daniel – the person ” killed ” was Dawn.
Her long running inquest into how she died and what she died of is apparently still ongoing.
No-one has provably died of Novichok poisoning.
Not according to the Coroner as of yet.
The OPCW found the Novichok to be pure, even though it had been exposed to the elements, and was several weeks old.
The first responders (Army senior nurse and daughter) didn’t get infected. Children helping the Skripals to feed ducks in the park (one of them ate a piece of bread handed to him by Sergei) didn’t get infected. Nobody in the pub the Skripals were drinking in got infected. Nobody in the Zizzis restaurant the Skripals ate in got infected.
A year-and-a-half after Dawn Sturgess’s death ( yes, she had a name), and there STILL has not been an inquest.
Btw, shills being uncofortable about the personal details of victims when telling lies is always a dead giveaway.
Not exactly. The OPCW found the Novichok in the blood samples of the Skripals to be pure, even though those samples were taken some twenty or so days after the Skripals were allegedly poisoned, which means that pure Novichok was added to the blood samples because after 20 days, if someone is poisoned with Novichok, much of the Novichok has been metabolized and is not pure at all.
If the government narrative is to be believed, the Novichok spent some time exposed to the elements on the front door handle of Sergei’s house. As you point out, the fact that the Novichok analysed by the OPCW was found to be pure makes a nonsense of the government narrative.
I reckon you’ve squished Matt2 pretty comprehensively there.
The author of the article has not said anything that departs from the official version of the timeline of the events surrounding the Skripals’ disappearance and the mysterious government and police treatment of their house. If anything, you are putting words into the author’s mouth (or fingers as it were) and insinuating that the author is smearing the official account with lies. Then you have the hide to whine when people see through your attempts to twist facts and derail the discussion.
Poor widdle troll.
It’s just ‘Matt’, in his new mask. Now he’s a scientist. There’s upward mobility for you; only two years ago he was a computer-science student in his final year of university. And a Venezuelan to boot.
Is he still receiving money from his family in Venezuela to pay off the student debt or is he sending money to his family because his folks are all poor and suffering from Maduros being unable to manage the economy due to the US sanctions?
🙂
Integrity Initiative have cloned ‘Matt’.
“Btw, shills being uncofortable about the personal details of victims when telling lies is always a dead giveaway.”
Wind your neck in, Tone 😂 What on earth makes you think I felt uncomfortable about using her name? It was just an unnecessary detail. And I read the exact same article you did, so no need to repeat it.
I’m sorry for mistakingly using the word “pure” – I was speaking colloquially, and was actually referring to the concentration (which means something else in chemistry)🤦🏻♂️
“If the government narrative is to be believed, the Novichok spent some time exposed to the elements on the front door handle of Sergei’s house. As you point out, the fact that the Novichok analysed by the OPCW was found to be pure makes a nonsense of the government narrative.”
That’s a weird assumption to make 🤔 What makes you think that it being on the doornob would make it less pure? Or less concentrated, for that matter? 🤔🤔🤔
“The author of the article has not said anything that departs from the official version of the timeline of the events surrounding the Skripals’ disappearance and the mysterious government and police treatment of their house.”
But that’s not true though, is it Jem? Literally every single paragraph is full of insinuations. Were you reading something else?
“Then you have the hide to whine when people see through your attempts to twist facts and derail the discussion.”
Okay, so having an opposing viewpoint, based on scientific fact, is “twisting” facts and “derailing” the discussion? It’s a funny sort of discussion that’s comprised of people just agreeing with each other, and ignoring the facts 🤦🏻♂️
– Did the article mock the official narrative for both having CCTV footage and *not* having footage of the suspects? Yes
– Did it mock the official narrative for people not dying after contact with the substance, and then acknowledge that someone (called Dawn – thanks!) actually did die? Yes
– Did it try to undermine the possibility of it being the drug in question based on dubious assumptions about its potency? Yes
– Did it falsely claim that the Novichoks were uncharacterized, and that it’s not possible to identify a compound without a sample? Yes
So, what exactly are you chumps giving me grief for? 🤔
Oh, because I’ve got a scientific education and I’m not dumb enough to fall for blatant Russian disinformation. Well done, guys! 👍🏻
Daniel, repeating your lies after they have been completely debunked is as dumb as it gets. I really, really hope that you are just a lone moron, because the alternative is that the security services are scraping the barrel.
“and ignoring the facts”
What facts? What actual real-life facts are there? And don’t try to fly off down some rabbit hole about what Novichok is or Novichoks are (your preferred formula is plural to blur the issue). It is irrelevant what Novichok is.
If there are any facts, they are that none of the alleged subjects of the case ever showed indications of nerve agent poisoning, as was confirmed in a letter to the Times by the senior consultant working on the case at the hospital. That is a fact that you cannot wriggle away from.
Stephen Davies of Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust wrote an open letter to The Times, published on 16 March 2018, clarifying that contrary to reports, no nerve agent was involved: “Sir, Further to your report (“Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment”, 14 March), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning”.
But you, at your keyboard, know better than that, eh? Because you just know.
Poor Dawn Sturgess. Whatever happened to the inquest into the perculiar and vague circumstances around her death? The inquest seems to have disappeared.
It seems clear that the UK media has been ‘briefed’ by the Security Services about the ‘truth’ relating to the Skripal Affair and the editors have understood that for reasons of ‘national security’, asking too many questions wouldn’t be… ‘appropriate’ at this stage.
The BBC seems to employ something I call the ‘fifty year rule.’ One has to wait 50 years to tell the true story about certain events.
Like I was surprised to hear a recent docu about Northern Ireland in 1969 where they mentioned in passing that the British Army had issued the Royal Ulster Constabulary with heavy-duty, Browning machine-guns, which they fitted to Landrovers and began firing them in Catholic streets! These weapons were so powerful they could literally shoot through the front-doors of the average terrace house, pass through the front room, the kitchen and then out the back door. Pity about the people who got in the way of the bullets! At the time I’m sure the BBC and Guardian didn’t report any of this.
There are many instances of the 50-year rule being stretched indefinitely. A lot of royal correspondence and security assessments will never see the light of day….or get accidentally shredded or lost. So imagine what will happen to all the conniving and lies since the second world war. It will mean a completely false history is recorded.
The British state was running El Salvador style death squads over there for the best part of 3 decades. A lot of the bombings and shootings were false flags. All sorts of skulduggery.
Just been reading MOA on the Skripal case. It turns out that there is no evidence of the existence of an arrest warrant for the two Russians.
Under the carpet.
Yes and the idiot foreign Secretary at the time was prepared to go to war with Russia if you remember !
All Foreign Secretaries are under orders. Why else would the FO be funding fanatical, barbarous mujahideen in Idlib? With public funds! Who voted for that?
And now politicians are beginning to show some independence (e.g. Priti Patel), the Swamp is getting a bit nervous.
Covertly funnelling (even more) cash to Israel is ‘showing independence’ against the Swamp?
Got your story a bit twisted there, ain’t ya?
Yeh, you may be right about Patel. I’ve heard conflicting stories, e.g. that the Israeli visit was set up by MI5 to discredit her because the Swamp knew she was trouble: too independent.
I’m open to persuasion either way in her case.
Put me down as a Russian bot, because there are plenty of other holes. Sometime before the Skripals ‘fell ill’ (but on the same day and after the ‘poisoning’ occurred) they were feeding the ducks scraps of bread in a local park. Some children wanted to help, and took pieces of bread from Sergei Skripal’s hand and fed it to the ducks. One boy even ate a piece of the bread. None of the children exhibited any symptoms.
When the Skripals entered a multi-story car park, having come direct from Chez Skripal, one of them touched the meter, to obtain a time-stamped ticket, with a bare hand. The meter was never checked for toxicity, and nobody else was reported to have been poisoned by it.
In photographs of the operation carried out by British chemical-warfare specialists to obtain samples from the deadly bench upon which the Skripals were found – so toxic, remember, that it had to be burned, thus neatly destroying the evidence – we see chemical-warfare operatives clad in full-body Hazmat suits and masks working away, while several firefighters stand just behind them in simple turnout gear, with no breathing apparatus. The media alternated between frightening the shit out of the town’s residents, and reassuring them that simply washing the clothing they were wearing that day would be protection enough.
Dawn Sturgess allegedly sprayed the toxic ‘perfume’ on her face and wrists, which is how she came to affected several hours later. A nerve agent dispersed as an aerosol is the fastest-acting of the media, and she would have been incapacitated in minutes, probably not even able to leave the house.
If Russia tried on a silly story like this, the British media would die of a snark overdose; they’d be stitched up in fits of laughter, and TV comedians would make it a staple for weeks. But because this originates with HM Government – or with those who give HM Government its marching orders – we are meant to take it seriously, and internalize its ridiculousness and somehow pretend it makes perfect sense.
As I remember it, the train on which the two allegged Russian agents accused of the murder arrived in Salisbury well after the Skripals left home and were found on that bench.
I think the point that we should understand all of us by now,is that it does not matter anymore if the tale told to the public,the narrative,is genuine,truthful,plausible or just impossible.Because truth is what they force up on us to know about.We can jump high or low,in the end it’s the media that tell us what to think.One is compelled to believe.Syria,Venezuela,Donbass,Bagdad,it’s the narrative that is the truth,period.Like in 1984 it can change from one day to the next day,there is no noticing of it allowed,the truth is what they state in an instant t.
I really think we should drag those mischievers from theit offices ans studios in the street and do some thing nasty to them,that is,in case we care about society.
One is compelled to believe. Syria, Venezuela, Donbass, Bagdad, it’s the narrative that is the truth, period. Like in 1984 it can change from one day to the next day, there is no noticing of it allowed, the truth is what they state in an instant.
Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
That’s probably why the Uncivil Service ( the ‘US’) are getting their knickers in such a twist over Priti Patel. She’s questioning ‘the narrative’! Cannot be allowed! Call the Dirty Tricks dept.
To someone like me, who has a degree in biochemistry, the British Government statements about the Skripals were full of lies from day one.
What troubles me now is that during Yulia’s one post poisoning interview she expressed a wish to return to Russia, her home. Since then she has disappeared. The last comment from the British Government was that the Skripals would be given new identities. The notion that someone, whose photo has been published in every major newspaper in the UK, can then disappear simply by a name change is another lie.
Has the British Government finally achieved its assassination of the Skripals. If not then let them speak in public again.
Plastic surgery? Sent to the USA in a witness protection program? Or simply bumped off and incinerated?
They’re DEAD.
A bunch of articles about the Skripals from two years ago:
https://www.stalkerzone.org/tag/skripal/
I wonder how closely the coming BBC drama/doc about the Skripals and Salisbury will stick to the offical narrative outlined above? I suppose it’s possible they’ll turn it all into a black, grotesque, satire that lampoons the whole thing? Possible perhaps, but highly unlikely. Still, as the state’s version is full of holes, absurd and literally incredible; it’ll be… ‘interesting.’
With the Novichok on the outer door handle theory what they all have to explain is:
There are two doors at chez Skripal.
One is the outer Upvc door ( a storm porch door ) and the door that opens into the actual house.
That’s two handles – the outside storm porch handle allegedly contaminated and if the Skripals did return to the house the alleged Novichok would not just be on the outer handle it would be on the inner handle (closing the door from inside the porch ) – on the outer handle of the actual front door or the yale lock into the house and the inside handle of the inner door – the one inside the actual house.
It gets even more bizarre if the Skripal’s never returned at midday or sometime in the afternoon.
The Russian asssassins were beautifully filmed in HD
Yet no-one has ever seen any beautful scenes of the Skripal’s feeding ducks or on the bench being nearly unconscious.
Perhaps Salisbury’s very own Cecil B- Demille was on a day off on a Sunday?
The Militart weren’t it appears.
Is not the point that it was dominating the media for a few weeks?
Now the media is just fairy stories for grown ups, what does it matter whether it has any truthfulness or not?
After all, the aim was some Russia bashing, Vladimir Putin bashing and smearing Donald Trump by association (he apparently quite gets on with President Putin when not told to abhor him by Deep State Intelligence operatives too close to the Presidential circles of influence for comfort).
We killed a couple of junkies, we claimed to have poisoned one police officer (who recovered), so what?
I mean: in a state which sees human rights as only relevant to the rich and powerful, what is there to complain about?
We are not some nation providing moral examples, after all. Oh no: we are the gang members saying: ‘Yeah, right on!’ every time our gang leader puts it about with the other lot.
The Tories killed 200,000 with ‘austerity’, so two Russkies ain’t much trouble at all.
Now the media is just fairy stories for grown ups, what does it matter whether it has any truthfulness or not?
— that’s a good way of putting it.
You’ve got to hand it to the “creative writing departments” of our Western intelligence services. The Skripnal saga story-line is right up there with the classic American narratives positing the existence of a “magic bullet,” and the contention that massive steel and concrete buildings can simply pulverize into a fine dust in mid-air – “because we say so.”
Perhaps we the masses could finally manage to warrant the attention of our clueless oligarchic betters and their professional intelligence services – “narrative managers” – if someone considerably more tech savvy than myself could simply design and widely disseminate plans for a – “3-D printable guillotine?” Just a thought. Ok, ok, I guess it’s really more of a “fantasy.”
That is the way things work now.
Corbyn is an anti semitic communist terrorist – because we say so.
Assad gasses his own people – because we say so.
Putin is a corrupt dictator – because we say so.
Trump/ Sanders/ Tulsi Gabbard/ Julian Assange/ Wikileaks/ anyone who disagrees with us or challenges our narrative in any way, are Kremlin agents and Russian bots – because we say so.
Iraq/ Iran/ whoever else we dislike have got illegal nuclear weapons – because we say so.
Venezuela is a communist dictatorship – because we say so.
There are no Nazis in Ukraine – because we say so.
Throat slitting jihadis are moderate rebels – because we say so.
And because out state controlled BBC says so.
And because the rest of the corporate MSM says so – so it must be right.
And Elliott Higgins, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the Atlantic Council all agree with us after we have sent them their cheques – so it must be right.
End of story. All settled. No further evidence required.
Note that Amnesty International has finally organized a petition to save Julian Assange, so it isn’t all that bad after all.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/get-involved/take-action/julian-assange-usa-justice/
Only because AI is being shamed to do what it was founded to do.
Better than doing nothing with regard to Julian Assange.
It is that bad. What the f*** have they been doing for the last ten years?
They’ve just now realized that enough people are concerned about the issue that continuing to ignore it may seriously impair their credibility with their target audience, so they have to be seen to be doing something, even at this extremely late date.
Both Amnesty and Human Rights Watch have shamelessly repeated American regime-change propaganda aimed at propagandizing Western populations into supporting the destabilization or invasion of multiple Middle Eastern nations. They are intimately complicit in massive numbers of deaths and the creation of millions of refugees, as well as the complete destruction and disintegration of Libya. They are not appreciably more ethical or accurate in their coverage of American imperialism in Latin America. Both have become over time simply extensions of corrupt Western imperial power – based on any objective and ethical analysis of their actual behavior. Yes they are “that” bad.
More accurate: they got addicted to copious Wahhabi funding, which goes also beyond the ME. Partner CIA is also into the plot.
It’s vastly more likely that they got addicted to copious zionist funding, as evidenced by the nature of the wars and regime change operations that they choose to shill for.
how’s your hasbara internship going? does it pay well?
https://hasbarafellowships.org/brochure
Nope, all the shekels and all the fat cheques came from Israel’s butt goys in Washington.
Amnesty were fully taken over when the US State Department droog, Suzanne Nossell took over, some years ago. HRW has ALWAYS been a Zionist front.
— because we say so.
The truly astonishing thing is how well it works, at least on the functionaries of the Outer Party. Try arguing about the 9/11 event, Skripals, White Helmets, “ISIS”, any of it, with some middle-class liberal goodthinker. You can actually see the doublethink gears grinding away inside their heads. If you persist, sometimes they collapse into outright hysteria.
This is perhaps a worthwhile exercise, in that permanently destroying such people’s facade of rationality and intellectual competence, tends to weaken the elite consensus that sustains all the others.
Maybe they should have worn a tinfoil hat, like they’re always recommending to their social inferiors. a**holes.
Unable to sleep for thinking about the Skripal case (due mainly to Emily Durron’s insightful comments) I have to add my not quite tuppence worth. I have never been a fan of crime/spy fiction and detest James Bond movies on so many levels. One level of my dislike is due to my inability to believe in the combination of ruthless killer, competence, intelligence, duty, courage etc. it’s all a James Fleming wet dream, and I suspect that the majority of so called intelligence agents are better represented by the Johnny English character but even he has some redeeming features, unlike them. Once you combine their colossal incompetence with their inability to tell the truth and put them all into one club which represents for them the only group deserving their loyalty, to whom petty matters like law, truth, justice apply only to those lesser mortals outside the Club. The police are not inside the club but must obey. Now add to that toxic stew the trend to create businesses and security consultancies, just as retired army generals, then you will get unofficial ops, but whose agents still have access to friends inside with access to the levers of power I.e. control of the MSM and the D Notice, then it is possible to see a linkage between the Steele Dossier, Pablo Miller, DNC, HRC, WikiLeaks, the murder of Seth Rich etc.
As Emily Durrow has suggested, the Novichok script was not a propaganda seeding op, but proves that the Skripal operation was a complete botched job and a hasty attempt was made to apply it in retrospect. The D Notice was to stop any awkward questions. The police had to be stopped too because even Clouseau would have seen through the nonsense after talking to the RSPB about the ducks….
I have asked before about the identity of the chap whose reflection in the mirror taking the photo of the Skripals, but cannot now recall the answer. Suffice to say that IF indeed Skripal had been the source of the fake intel in the Steele dossier and then been allowed back home to Russia, then the FSB would have access to some gems that would have destroyed the operation to destroy Trump, hurting the DNC, FBI, CIA, MI6. HMG is in thrall to the last 2 mentioned, as is our MSM. Julian Assange is collateral damage, as was Seth Rich, as were the Skripals. Dawn Sturgess may not be connected, but her misfortune has been weaved into the false narrative. As Sir Walter Scott wrote: Oh what a complex web we weave when first we try to deceive” (It’s 5am. The quote may be wrong)
The modern spy is likely to be someone more like James Le Mesurier than Johnny English. Businessmen, charity workers and NGOs are their natural homes, their background is military intelligence. These days you don’t sneak into a military base to steal secrets, you use technology, bribes and blackmail. Behind the scenes the most important assets are academic researchers in places like Oxford and Cambridge university who work very closely with American post-grad academics studying here, along with journalists, and of course recruiters. This is where the real work of shaping opinion is done.
To me, Steele is basically an unlikable real life version of James Wormold, MI6’s man in Havana.
Poor Gareth Williams couldn’t even make his way out of a paper bag….. sorry sports bag.
(according to a pay walled Torygraph story) that might have been the Ruskies as well…)
If you look at Yulias’ face in that restaurant shot it is rounder and she is fair bit heavier than
the copper haired slim young woman who was observed at the Russian airport.
That means to me that this photo was taken quite a while before Yulia arrived in March.
There were plenty of CCTV cameras in Salisbury Town centre to catch anyone up to no good but no Crimewatch style appeal was issued on the BBC.
Why?
Because there may have been people who are paid to get up to no good and I don’t think they were just Russians.
The visit routine doesn’t wash – they were there to meet someone or some people.
For all we know those people could have been internal state actors – hence no CCTV exposure to the public.
The lovely CCTV shots (they are the only decent CCTV shots we’ve seen ) of the Russian pair were as if they knew they were coming and where they were going.
I will re-iterate re: the door handle.
If a poison was found on only the outer handle of the outer storm porch door – the Skripal’s left and never went back into the house.
This means that the applicators must have done the dirty doorhandle deed whilst the Skripal’s were in the house.
It would be no use doing that after they left unless they knew the Skripal’s would be coming back.
I don’t know the photo of “the copper haired slim young woman who was observed at the Russian airport”. But that description fits likewise to the Yulia who was in the scripted TV footage “I vont to be alone” with the visible tracheotomy scar. So there idoes appear to be a mismatch of photos, or from the wrong ends of the narrative.
As the BBC is producing one of their infamous drama-documentaries about the strange events in Salisbury, it’ll be interesting to see how the rest of the BBC and the media cover the programme, without wondering about where the Skripal’s are today and why they haven’t contacted their friends and family back in Russia.
It the Skripals were still ‘valuable’ to the UK Security Services and could be used as live propaganda against Russia, basically supporting the UK’s narrative about events in Salisbury; I’m convinced that they would have been produced and interviewed by one of those nice journalists from the BBC, or even the much nicer… Luke Harding from the Guardian. After all Harding’s whip smart and a trusted expert on all things Russian, he even doesn’t speak the language so he’d be the ideal interviewer.
That they haven’t been brought out to speak and smear their own country and have literally vanished, indicates that Sergie Skripal isn’t prepared to give the right kind of interview, or maybe his ‘price’ is too high?
It’s odd really, how little interest there is in the media about the Skripals and their strange fate. Journalists seem afraid to ask the correct and blindingly obvious questions for fear of being labeled as ‘upatriotic’ or, worst of all, being sypathetic to Russian fake news!
I ask myself why the BBC is doing this (producing a programme about the Skripal saga) thereby inviting adverse comments from websites such as this one. Anyone with a grain of intellect doesn’t believe a word of what the BBC and MSM put out, so it has me thinking there might at some time in the not too distant future, be some further denigration of the Russian state or some such expedient issue and this envisaged programme will be proffered as ‘evidence’ to substantiate the government narrative.
Is it true Guardian moderators earned more in overtime deleting comments that challenged the ‘official’ Skripal narrative than police officers who spent 7 years patrolling the Ecuadorian embassy?
Brilliant summary by the way – could never imagine anyone in the MSM setting out the chain of events in such lucid and compelling terms.
In fact haven’t we reached a stage where the MSM is the least credible source whenever controversial events like this arise – for example remember the arse Monbiot made of himself shooting his load all over the chemical weapons attack in Syria.
I only read the Graun and the Indy if I want to start the day in a foul mood.
Monty Python hilarity all round. Perhaps Sergi’s absence from public view can be because he locked himself up in a zip up holdall, in a bath, last summer ? The dresses in the house were for Julia.
I can’t think of a single reason why the Skripals aren’t front and center in SpartUSA as cheerleaders for the Mycarthyite Brigade.
We’ve had people like Bill Browder help create the Magnitsky act. The Skripals deserve their own act, unless of course….
Am I missing something?
— yes. The Official Story is so transparently absurd that the Deep State has decided to bury it and hope that everybody forgets about it. Continuing to parade it in public would only further impair their own credibility, which has already been seriously damaged by the contradiction between various other Official Stories and objective reality.
It’s time to save whatever is still salvageable; for this project, the Skripal/Putin/Novichok legend could only function as a fatal lead weight, dragging down to doom all the others which might yet be recuperated with sufficient shouting, threats, lying, and bluster.
which makes the alleged ‘new’ BBC Skripal doco all the more puzzling.
Do they think it’ll “reinforce the narrative”?
More likely to make it unravel completely.
The Skripal narrative is a loyalty test. Anyone who expresses any scepticism exposes their self as being disloyal. This was demonstrated immediately when Theresa May delivered her “highly likely” sermon to the House of Commons, in that as soon as Jeremy Corbyn asked for evidence, he was accused of being on the side of Vladimir Putin. The corporate media took this to the absurd degree of actually interviewing a sceptic and accusing them of being a Russian bot.
CCTV
At the end of 2017. Salisbury had just upgraded its system to probably the most advanced in Europe.
The council and contractors were crowing about it!
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That not a single piece of footage or stills has been released from these showing the victims or perpetrators is ‘the dog that hasn’t barked’ of the whole event.
I personally think it very likely that the two Russians did make a quick contact with the Skripals in the park. cctv would confirm that.
But it would also confirm who else made contact with the Skripals immediately afterwards that led them to fall into a stupor or if they pretended to.
Where is the CCTV footage?
This story needs some refreshing because the real facts appear to have been completely erased…
Sergei Skripal was a double agent… recruited in 1990 by MI6 agent Pablo Millar, also known as Antonio Alvarez de Hidalgo, to spy against Russia. It was Millar whom the British media declined to name. Miller was an MI6 agent in Tallinn, the capital of Estonia, and it was his main task to recruit Russians to provide information about their country to the British. An interesting fact, possibly coincidental, was that the MI6 officer ‘under diplomatic cover in Moscow’ at this time was Christopher Steele.. who was later to become better known as the principal author of the infamous Trump dossier.’
When Steele returned to London, he ran MI6’s Russia desk between the 2006 and 2009. While Skripal was in Prison? The information that Skripal disclosed would have been given to Steele, first in Moscow and later in London.
Since his work with the agency Miller became the Director of British Security Consultancy Orbis Business Intelligence, based in West London, along with colleague Christopher Burrows, the same private intelligence agency as that of Christopher Steele. But Miller’s name has been removed from his LinkedIn profile??
”A FORMER Brit spy named as the man behind the lurid dossier against Trump once worked with murdered Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko, it has been claimed.”
Ex-MI6 agent Christopher Steele’s identity was last night revealed, forcing the 51-year-old to flee his Surrey home, asking neighbours to look after his cat. The 52-year-old, who was reportedly hired by one of the President-elect’s rivals to compile the information against Trump, has now been left “terrified for his and his family’s safety” after being named.
But while Donald Trump has vehemently denied the accusations made in the dossier, saying it was “all fake news”, more information about Steele’s former work has come to light.
It includes claims of sex parties in Russia and coordination between the President-elect’s team and the Russian government. It is widely acknowledged that Intelligence Officers often use diplomatic postings as cover for their espionage activities.
The Steele dossier, also known as the Trump–Russia dossier, is a private intelligence report written from June to December 2016 containing allegations of misconduct, conspiracy, and co-operation between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and the Government of Russia during the 2016 election. It has been described as “one of the most explosive documents in modern political history”. Some allegations have been corroborated, while others remain unverified. The dossier, leaked without permission, is an unfinished 35-page compilation of raw intelligence based on information from witting (Skripal?) and unwitting anonymous sources known to the author, counterintelligence specialist Christopher Steele, a former head of the Russia Desk for British intelligence (MI6), written for the private investigative firm ‘Fusion GPS’. The dossier’s 17 unredacted reports allege that Trump campaign members and Russian operatives had conspired to co-operate in Russia’s election interference to benefit Trump. It also alleges that Russia sought to damage Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, including sharing negative information about Clinton with the Trump campaign. The draft dossier was published in full by BuzzFeed News on January 10, 2017.
Unidentified intelligence officials cited by CNN said that the source of the documents was a credible former MI6 agent and that he had worked in Russia in the 1990s.
It seems more than a mere coincidence that the same three men, who had personal and professional links going back to the 1990s, should have a continuing association at the same time as the Steele dossier was being compiled.. and later as the so-called Russiagate inquiry was imploding…
On both 7th and 14th of March 2018, the DSMA Secretary issued a DSMA-Notice to try to prevent commercially-controlled media from publishing Miller’s name in connection with the Skripal Affair, too late!
Consider this…
So, Killary authorised the campaign against Trump, and when it began to unravel, had to begin tying up all the loose ends, beginning with the little fish with the flappy mouth..
Forget all the Novichuckle garbage. This whole scene got way too much publicity and out of hand and there was nothing else for it but to knock Yulia and Sergei off, to ensure their mouths were closed, and focus the attention elsewhere.. Don’t look over there look here.
https://americafirstpatriots.com/updated-clinton-kill-list-full-list-people-mysteriously-dead-working-clintons/
Maggie missing some dots there …
The Tank Regiment alumni – Syria/WhiteHelmets, CW/OPCW/ BBC etc – LeMesurier, DeBtetton-Gordon, Mark Urban etc. Bunch of funny tankers…
CIA/NSA/MI6/GCHQ nexus -our chiefs Masud and Dearlove and 5-eye cohort…
FBI paid asset role of Steele…
Coupgate.
As for Skripal being a ‘secret’ after his release – he was living openly under his own name in Salisbury reportedly near Miller (who apparently also taught princess Anne to ski or something in his Tank days as a fun fact) -so not hiding from anyone.
— JFK’s brain ate it, whereafter both disappeared into the hole in the ground which had swallowed United Airlines flight-93.
Ah, yes … I remember it well – just another little ploy to keep us plebs occupied whilst the real misdeeds are carried out in private – so many questions …. so few answers
Don’t think the Skripals are the only ones who’ve ‘disappeared’ – there’s Melanie Walsh and , of course, the delightful magistrate Baraitser ……………
thank you OffG for posting something closer to home – it won’t last ……….;o)
Yes, why is there so much secrecy surrounding Vanessa Baraitser?
She’s a public official, after all: on officer of the State to see that justice is done – and SEEN to be done. Why can’t we see her?
During the Japanese/US Pacific war (1941-1945) both sides occupied strategic islands in the Pacific. These bases were lavishly equipped with the various materiel of war together with various provisions necessary for the support of the occupying force.
With the end of the war, the military abandoned the airbases and stopped dropping cargo. In response, charismatic individuals developed cults among remote Melanesian populations that promised to bestow on their followers deliveries of food, arms, Jeeps, and so forth.
The cult leaders explained that the cargo would be gifts from their own ancestors, or other sources, as had occurred with the outsider armies. In attempts to get cargo to fall by parachute or land in planes or ships again, islanders imitated the same practices they had seen the soldiers, sailors, and airmen use. Cult behaviours usually involved mimicking the day-to-day activities and dress styles of US soldiers, such as performing parade ground drills with wooden or salvaged rifles. The islanders carved headphones from wood and wore them while sitting in fabricated control towers. They waved the landing signals while standing on the runways. They lit signal fires and torches to light up runways and lighthouses.
They even built life-size replicas of airplanes out of straw and cut new military-style landing strips out of the jungle, hoping to attract more airplanes. The cult members thought that the foreigners had some special connection to the deities and ancestors of the natives, who were the only beings powerful enough to produce such riches. Manna from Heaven.
In today’s west we have our own version of the Cargo Cult. The readiness of most of the population to imbibe and believe the fairy tales spun by the mainstream media. Of course not everyone is taken in, there is a residue of scepticism but it is narrowly focussed. Renegade elements of the middle-class as well as a significant section of Orwell’s Proles are able to cut through the bullshit. But of course the elites, or inner party, as Orwell defined them, know precisely what is going on. But the fairy tale ideological mysticism is most solidly rooted in the outer party of true believers who make up the bulk of the middle-class: journalists, politicians, businessmen, and professionals of various kinds who believe themselves to be upholders of civilized values.
The problems arise when the PTB start to believe in their own infallibility (bullshit) and are hungry for absolute power – viz., world conquest and world hegemony. There is no limit to the power lust, even if this means the termination of the human species through nuclear war or climate change and pollution of the natural environment, or both. The PTB and their petit-bourgeois shock troops are exhibiting the symptoms of what I would characterise as rational insanity. How this will eventuate is a moot point, but there will be a reckoning sooner rather than later I think.
It has never been easier to see behind the wizards curtains.
Until the great lockdown starts to bite – prepare by installing the modern ‘underground presses’.
Get alternatives to mainstream social media platforms and fake alt-news sites.
The wizards are few we are MANY.
Indeed, not forgetting the wizard’s sleeve – many more people are beginning to peer up the wizard’s sleeve and are seeing what ill-concealed nefarious tricks he has up there…
The PTB and their petit-bourgeois shock troops are exhibiting the symptoms of what I would characterise as rational insanity. How this will eventuate is a moot point
One might assume that Trump Derangement Syndrome is one of the initial symptoms of the disease.
Anthropogenic climate change is yet another cult.
The idea that we could significantly alter the climate (in either direction) is fantasy.
Now, a Krakatoa style volcano could do. But we can’t control (or predict very well) those either.
Keep buying those Tesla’s though.
A ‘cult’ agreed to by ALL the Academies of Science and scientific societies on Earth. A ‘cult’ that successfully predicted to present rapid climate destabilisation, most recently seen in the 1.4 C increase in the latest northern winter, over the previous record warm winter in the last 150 years.
As for volcanoes, a favourite denialist canard, humans emit 100 times as much greenhouse gases per year as volcanoes. A big eruption, like Krakatoa with a VEI of 6, will make up that difference a bit, but its energy at c.200 megatons of TNT, pales into utter insignificance besides the increase in heat energy trapped in the Earth system by the anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases which amount to 4 watts/metre2 per second, or five or six Hiroshima detonations, per second, over the entire planet. So it takes c. 2600 seconds for these emissions to equal that of Krakatoa, or about forty minutes. The only fantasy is that our massive alteration and destruction of the planet’s systems can have no effect on those systems and the planet as a whole.
Hi there, may I request we don’t open up the climate science can of worms? It’s pretty off topic and liable to hijack the conversation. Thanks.
If a movie comes out I think I’ll have to see it. How on earth would they manage it?
Hats off to a superb effort in undermining credibility. They could not have done a better job. I thought it was bad before but in its entirety it really is something else.
But you left out the best part – the cat and the two guinea pigs!
And don’t forget the ducks.
Didn’t know about the ducks. Truly hilarious.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/457010-skripal-ducks-children-cia/
Just when you thought the Skripal case couldn’t get any more Pythonesque, it just did. According to a report published this week in the New York Times, the then-deputy director of the CIA, Gina Haspel, showed President Donald Trump pictures of “young children hospitalised by the Novichok agent that had poisoned the Skripals” along with “a photograph of ducks that British officials said were inadvertently killed by the sloppy work of the Russian operatives.”
The ‘emotional appeal’ from Haspel, made last March, was successful as Trump “fixated on the pictures of the sickened children and the dead ducks” and embraced the CIA’s “strong option” of expelling 60 Russian diplomats.
Anything that involves security services in the UK, leaves us both emotionally aroused and logically closed off. We just love our James Bonds and our SAS (Who dares wins) but we totally refuse to apply logic to any narrative that is fed to us.
In the event of an operation going disastrously wrong, as in Libya, when some farmers captured a spook and his SAS minders, who were all wearing Calvin Klein boxers with secret pockets containing gold coins, we employ memory loss.
Given all the available evidence was removed and if organic, incinerated, I think it highly likely Sergei and Julia suffered the same fate.
You’ve got to hand it to them, Julia’s tracheotomy was a genius method of silencing her in those early fraught times when the whole thing looked like unraveling.
The Skripals are living quietly in Russia as part of a deal with the Russian Government, which is what the Skripals wanted. As part of that they agreed to take part in a dodgy propaganda stunt put together by people who aren’t as clever as they think they are. The Russians don’t mind because outside of MSM world the British Government have made asses of themselves anyway.
Thar’s my cool headed analysis anyway.
I concur with that version. Incinerating the Skripals by UK spy agencies, may backdrop when Russian spy agencies find out and report about it. So better be on the safe side and convince Russian agencies beforehand that the Skripal narrative is necessary for domestic consumption only (why would the Russians care) and that the Skripals will be safely guarded to the US (or another country) where they will anonymously live happily ever after. If anyone finds out about that latter narrative, both UK and Russian spy agencies can be blamed. But since it is highly unlikely that any of those agencies will now backdrop the story, as they sort of speak, both have a gun pointed at their head of which the other spy agency may pull the triggerthe moment someone starts talking, it is highly unlikely that we will ever find out what happened with the Skripals yet do know what happened…
They are all friends, as explained in that Dr Strangelove scene
https://www.google.nl/amp/s/boingboing.net/2017/04/07/that-dr-stranglove-scene-wher.html/amp
Of course, even friends can make stupid decisions that are harmful to both of them, yet they are friends whether they like it or not…
Nice. That Putins a player! It also goes to explain why Trumps still standing.
Also why the conspirators aren’t all in Jail but facing removal by innuendo.
Just Pompeo’s gauntlet makes me think that the censure didn’t extend to the uk.
Hope you’re right, for the Skripals’ sake.
Yes we all must be “Russian bots”. I laughed my ass off at the Media reports on the Skripals which like the 9/11 Commission report required a total suspension of disbelief that could only be applied to say the Ed Wood classic Plan 9 from Outer Space. Actually come to think of it Ed’s movie is actually far more believable.
Real person “Russian bot” here and proud of it!
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Yes, it’s increasingly appearing that the Russians are the only ones with any integrity.
They certainly appear to be the only ones defending the values of The European Enlightenment (16th-19th cc.) against fanatical Islam and gender-bending misfits.
What of fanatical Zionism, Albert?
Absolutely. Fanatical Zionism is no different from fanatical Islam or fanatical Christianity. The keyword here is ‘fanatical’.
The Soviet Union arguably attempted ‘fanatical atheism’ which is a bit of an oxymoron. The Russians seem to have learnt the lesson.
The Chinese don’t seem fanatical, rather a common-place tyranny with Maoist thought replacing the ‘Mandate of Heaven’. Their designs on Tibet, Mongolia, Manchuria, Taiwan, etc., seem typically irredentist but, given the sufferings of the Chinese throughout the last century, their current tyranny is understandable and not so oppressive, but still a tyranny.
Reinhold Niebuhr’s quote (not much different from Plato’s noble lie) seems applicable here
‘Rationality belongs to the cool observer, but because of the stupidity of the average man, he follows not reason, but faith, and the naive faith requires necessary illusion and emotionally potent oversimplifications which are provided by the myth-maker to keep the ordinary person on course.’
Unfortunately I know quite a number of persons, who are generally smart, yet believe the Skripal narrative without question. What identifies them is that they all read newspapers and that the narrative that is spun there (sports, literature, culture, career, identity) suits their lives very well. So a lie like the Skripal case is not noticed, similar as to that it is not noticed that dog food is put in food when it is garnished with lots of spices and mixed very well. Disgusting, yet true.
The problem with the ’stupidity of the average man’ is that it is not the average man who is stupid, but that thise who believe that they are the cool observers are stupid. Average men do not fall for the Skripal case, but simply do not care. It is the high brow quality newspaper reader who is fooled time and again when it concerns Skripal, COVID 19, the US elections, and the endless list of false flags and synthetic events.
What makes a high brow different from the average man, is that the average man does not question, because he does not care about the question, while the high brow does not question because the question tastes so well within all the other narratives that defines his world view.
If people would only become more sceptical…
There has been a time that I thought that people could only learn to be sceptical when they were rudely awoken from the narrative they lived in. In movie style: the matrix (a silly movie) or Vanilla sky/ the Truman show. And although I believe that people who consume the consequences of propaganda (they who live under the bombs) are far less likely to be bamboozled into false narratives than those who believe propaganda (they who made the bombing possible)
A. That treatment is a horse remedy and may be worse for the individual than the disease itself.
B. May not lead to treatment as people whose narratives are no longer represented in the newspapers/glossies/soap box opera’s may come to believe that it is their own fault, while it is in fact the system that screwed them up.
Their is a nice thesis about working class millenials by sociologist Jennifer Silva who explains how ad B) works and which I recommend to anyone who is interest to read about the Dr Phil-ination of society.
Silva explains that through identity politics and making class conflict (group) into a psychological conflict (individual) one ends up in self-pity and taking all sorts of drugs that do not work (yet make it worse, like opioids, benzodiazepines, and other self-harm)
https://www.amazon.com/Coming-Short-Working-Class-Adulthood-Uncertainty/dp/0190231890
Becoming sceptical is not natural for mankind, is my firm believe. Natural is that man is gullible and naive, for which I do not blame mankind. But I do loath those individuals who use this human trait in making believe people the most incredible stuff that is very harmful for them and/or mankind.
Becoming sceptical could be learned in schools, but unfortunately the schooling system is mostly (but not completely) into how to become an obedient worker who doesn’t question the environment he lives in, and it is only through self-education that one can become sceptical.
Sometimes you can push persons into the right direction (of becoming sceptical). But it only works when one does it kindly and is not offended by the naïveté of those who are taken by false narratives and actually believe that it is the sceptic who wears a tinfoil hat. That surely is a slow progress, but if the Ro (to steal from the COVID 19 narrative) is higher than 1, it ultimately will take over any false narrative
So we know what to do…
With apologies for the long post, which I just had to get off my chest…
I am very doubtful about the last UK election. What does that make me?
Answer: a sceptic, if you can come up with reasons why you believe the Uk election was rigged, reasons that can be (quantifiable, since nice it is about the counting of votes) defended. There are plenty of reasons to believe the last UK election was rigged. To me the postal vote issue makes quite a solid case to believe that the UK election was rigged.
On the other hand, should we act surprised?
When Syriza won in Greece, that was not a rigged outcome. The Oxi outcome was also not rigged. Still, the population did not get what they wanted as Tsipras caved in, and Varoufakis became friends with types as Jeff Sachs and Larry Summers, who are real warriors for just causes, but who made some ‘mistakes’ in the past (help with the ending of Glass Steagal, imposing neoliberalism in Russia, etc), but are still awesome. Just like Christine Lagarde is awesome and Wolfgang Schlaube is a great German minister of Finance who was uncapable to stop the austerity on Greece even though he imposed it to Greece, as is explained in Varoufakis highly entertaining and at the same time highly hypocritical book called Adults in the Room.
Long answer for a short question…
Conscious.
We have Mark Twain to thank for the following insight:
“If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you’re mis-informed.”
Last month the new British Ambassador in Moscow, Deborah Bronnert was interviewed after her credentials ceremony with Vladimir Putin. She told Kommersant when asked about are the Skripals alive:
“Of course they are alive. I can’t tell you where they are, because we respect the right of people to make their own decisions. Both the government and the police will always be guided by the wishes of individuals.”
Bronnert refused to answer a question about whether the Skripals remain in the UK.
With America’s anti-Russia propaganda and actions in full swing, they might be near Langley or Tel Aviv. Whether Trump knows about that or not would not be relevant.
When Skripal was unmasked before his 2006 trial the covers of 200 to 300 people was blown. These people and their relatives had and have motivation to harm the Skripals. They were also from the same ‘game’ and could well have had access to substances. We are, once again not told the full truth.
Can someone present one or some of those whose cover was blown?
Or far more likely, they are ash, scattered to the winds.
Some of them, yes. But people have spouses and children. They all shrug their shoulders and say, bad luck?
That simply proves that they are dead.
“…we respect the right of people to make their own decisions….Both the government and the police will always be guided by the wishes of individuals….” These laugh out loud howlers prove that it’s all a scripted comedy.
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Watch out, Whitty’s about.
They’re dead.
I believe everything that the British government revealed about this dastardly Russian operation.
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Can we please have an irony icon OG?
“Can we please have an irony icon OG?”
Not having one can be more fun.
My sister knows DS Nick Bailey’s wife. Mrs Bailey apparently told her that after Nick was released from hospital, the family were instructed to move out of their home (near the New Forest) , so that the property could be sanitised. After some time (days, weeks?) the family were then informed that they would never be able to return to the house, AND it was then demolished and the building material removed from site. My sister did not dare ask her friend for more details.
demolished and the building material removed from site
that’s an interesting coincidence, the same thing happened to some buildings in New York City, a few decades ago.
Some of that building material (and possibly some human remains) ended up in the USS New York apparently. Gruesome if true.
Not just gruesome but somewhat incongruous since the metal used allegedly was unable to resist the impact of a 767 yet they decided it would protect a Naval craft. I mean go figure?
To preclude any independent investigation. They also went as far as washing it down before sending it to Fresh Kills to be shipped to China. The only reason anyone would wash down metal is to remove any radioactive contaminants
what about explosive and thermite residues?
Thermite can not create a Cherenkov effect nor does it leave radioactive isotopes.
— whereas smoke detectors, which there must have been many thousands of in the WTC towers, depend on the presence of radioactive isotopes in order to function.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_detector#Ionization
as for Cherenkov radiation, surely you don’t expect anybody to take your disinfo seriously, without even an attempt at an explanation or reference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation
You gotta be kidding! Citing Whalesopedia as a “source” while bloviating about disinformation
😂😂😂😂
Oh the irony!
https://www.theonion.com/wikipedia-celebrates-750-years-of-american-independence-1819568571
Smoke detectors use Americium 241 not Tritium moron. Also they don’t leave traces of other radioisotopes of strontium ,thorium, barium and uranium. See:
https://www.911tap.org/557-news-releases/703-review-of-atomic-elements-found-at-the-world-trade-center
Also see Heinz Pommer’s independent research:
https://www.911history.de/aaannxyz_ch01_en.html
Maybe you should read a book instead of Whalesopedia which is edited for and by morons.
Like McPhee’s The Curve of Binding Energy and the full DOD release on the Effects of Nuclear Weapons which can be down loaded here:
https://www.dtra.mil/Portals/61/Documents/NTPR/4-Rad_Exp_Rpts/36_The_Effects_of_Nuclear_Weapons.pdf
Then come back when you get a clue.
How do explain the crater of molten rock and metal that burned for months or the Cherenkov Effect that occurred immediately after the first rains or the traces of radioactive isotopes found by the USGS or the high incidence of cancer in the immediate vicinity Einstein?
Also underground nuclear explosions do not immediately form a torus cloud like those shown in Dr. Strangelove or the Day After. Even so if you review Heinz Pommer’s research you’ll find that the do appear latently.
You must also be some kind of comedian. Yammering on about disinfo while citing Disinfopedia as you did in a later response. Do you even know how hypocritical that is?
The radiation level at GZ was never above background level as far as we know.
Actually rads would read latently after a subterranean blast and would be hard to read until after the rubble was cleared from “Ground Zero”. Note that it was called “Ground Zero” which until that time was specifically used to describe the immediate area above or below a nuclear explosion.
I suggest you read the following article in VT and ignore milosevic’s whales-o-pedia’s entries:
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/01/30/google-censored-the-german-french-consummate-proofs-of-nuclear-9-11/
If their home was so dangerous, how come the whole family wasn’t poisoned?
Thank you Vierotchka, for staying on topic. These 9/11 commentators haven’t yet read Dr. Judy Woods’ authoritative book: “Where Did the Towers Go?” because they’re still broadcasting untenable explanations for the Twin Towers’ destruction.
DS Nick Bailey’s family home was razed, I would imagine, with nothing more exciting than a mechanical digger, and yes, Novichok has been described as being quite fragile in the open environment. Destroyed by rain, for example?
I’m hoping one of the Off-Guardian readers can confirm Bailey’s home was destroyed. The motivation for such an act would be fascinatingly to unravel. As you write it can’t possibly have been for toxicological reasons.
“DS Nick Bailey, a CID officer […] visited the Skripal hpouse.”
Just what is someone as smart as a CID DS could reasonably assumed to be doing visiting the Skripal hpouse when he should have been visiting the Skripal house?
I am sure Sherlock Holmes could have solved this and he might have called it “The Case of the Leaky Colander”.
Sometime ago, when I read that Porton Down had received a lot of money from the American bioweapon research programme and that they were possibly involved in work on African Swine Fever, a thought came to me.
Skripal perhaps still a loyal Russian, if he had got wind of a plot to kill off all Russian pigs what might he do?
Could the two GRU agents have been sent to collect information and possible samples?
Then you have the third Russian who arrived in the country but never departed, leaving an empty seat on the plane back to Moscow. Was this seat for Skripal?
https://www.dw.com/en/russias-sergey-lavrov-claims-sergei-skripal-was-poisoned-with-western-bz-nerve-agent/a-43390589
Then you have the odd results of the samples sent to the Swiss laboratory. They found it contained a nerve agent that would have given the effects observed in Skripal and his daughter. It doesn’t kill and the Americans have even tried it on their troops. There was A 234 the so called Novichok but in two parts a degraded version and a later fresher version. Can anybody explain that? Maybe our Foreign Minister who was Boris at the time.
As Dr Spock once said “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth”.
MR Spock.
The other one was a ‘guru’ on baby training.
As Dr Spock once said
— that’s one of the more glaring misattributions I’ve seen recently.
http://www.bestofsherlock.com/top-10-sherlock-quotes.htm#impossible
Thank you.
You are of course entirely right. I had thought that Dr Spock had said something relevent so I went to a site giving Dr Spock quotes. I did think that Sherlock had said the same thing but that maybe a lazy script writer had purloined the words.
Maybe I could have used this one.
“The curious incident about the dog in the night time”
“The dog did nothing in the night time”
“That was the curious incident”
Are you a betting man?
What are the odds of the Skripals still being alive or feeding the fishes?
Clearly something happened in Salisbury. But what was it? There are several possibilities.
1. The official account is entirely accurate.
Putin ordered the killing of the has been nonentity washed up spook Skripal as an act of revenge or terror against Britain, using a bizarre deadly poison and the most incompetent agents in the FSB. They bungled the operation, with serious political and diplomatic blowback for Russia.
Not very likely, to put it charitably.
Even the UK government has been unable to suggest any convincing motive for such an operation.
2. There was a Russian connection, but without direct state involvement, some kind of freelance operation by out of control Russian spooks or organised crime, for as yet unexplained reasons.
Possible, but still “highly unlikely” to coin a phrase.
3. A deliberate provocation by the UK state or rogue UK spooks or other UK actors.
4. A deliberate provocation by a third party state or non state actor.
You can probably shave off 1. and 2. using Occam’s Razor, leaving 3. and 4.
Chewy Bono may shed some light on 3. and 4.
Would the usual third party suspects, America, Israel stage a difficult and elaborate hoax in the heart of the UK for reasons of their own, without UK knowledge? They are capable of it. Israel faked an attack on its London embassy in 1994. USS Liberty and 9/11 spring to mind. But it is difficult to see what they would gain. So 4. probably falls by the wayside, leaving 3.
The location and character of the incident, the involvement of Porton Down, the use of some kind of non lethal chemical agent, are suggestive of direct state involvement.
It is possible that this was a rogue freelance operation by UK spooks. In the past, they mounted an abortive operation to assassinate Gaddafi on their own initiative. There is a long history of false flag bombings and death squad murders in the Northern Ireland conflict, and provocations going all the way back to the Zinoviev Letter. But such an operation would pose great risks for those planning or participating in it, without official knowledge.
So it was probably undertaken by the British state.
For what purpose?
The ongoing campaign of vilification and demonization against Russia, targeting the Russian leadership and state, Russian businessmen, diplomats, athletes and private individuals.
To ensure the continuation of sanctions against Russia.
To try to wreck the Nordstream pipeline project.
To meddle in the Russian elections.
To wreck the sporting tournament being hosted by Russia.
This is clearly the most plausible explanation.
That leaves a couple of loose ends, however.
The woman who died 4 months later after supposedly handling the perfume bottle. Did this actually happen? Assuming it did, why did this woman die and not the Skripals? They may have been affected by a NATO non lethal poison. So why did she die, if she did? She may have been vulnerable because of substance abuse, but something clearly doesn’t add up.
What were the two bungling Russian “Johnny English” spooks doing in Salisbury? Were they tourists? Or the most incompetent agents in history? Could they have just been on a secretive weekend gay and/ or drugs binge?
We clearly haven’t yet been given any remotely plausible version of events, and probably never will be.
But if the Litvinenko episode was regarded as serving a useful purpose by the British state, they may have decided to double down and give a repeat performance.
And the British state has played a major part in the Gas Hoax incidents in Syria, to generate a casus belli. Le Mesurier, White Helmets, Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, and an extensive and elaborate propaganda infrastructure.
In at least some of these “sarin” attacks, something non lethal was used, or nothing at all happened.
We will probably never know the full story.
Try this:
http://johnhelmer.net/cyber-soldiers-penetrate-the-skripal-case/
and this: John Helmer “Skripal in Prison”
https://johnhelmer.net/skripal-in-prison-the-first-book-to-report-the-truth/
All the attacks on Russia are aimed at Putin. A New Yeltsin must be imposed so that Russia can join the Great Crusade, the racial Clash of Civilizations to destroy China, and ensure that the White Man, God’s Chosen People, continue their reign of terror over humanity, forever.
That’s quite interesting. In the Guardian interview: Bailey was the first to the house.
Which was the bench. From the Salisbury Journal – 10th March 2018.
And again:
Statement from Wiltshire Police Chief Constable Kier Pritchard: 22nd March 2018.
They had to roll out establishment liar Sir Ian Blair to try and change the narrative. Rob Slane also asked the question: just where was Nick Bailey really poisoned?
http://www.theblogmire.com/where-was-detective-sergeant-nicholas-bailey-poisoned/
It’s like Deep State Cluedo: Nick Bailey – with the Novojoke – maybe at the bench; maybe at the house …maybe they just made it all up!
How dare you notice that Blanche. You’re on The List, old thing. Don’t go to any Chinese restaurants.
If any of the real pros, Mossad, the CIA, whoever else, had wanted Sergei to be terminated, for any reason, he would have disappeared without trace. The only ones to know would be the pros on the opposite side. These are all secret games. Anyone who has read Le Carre knows all about this.
Everyone also knows that a hit squad consists not of two bozos who allow themselves to be pictured by every CCTV camera in the UK and who travel by train on a Sunday (“Passengers on the 9:41 Assassins’ Express service are notified that due to engineering works in the Woking area this train is replaced by a bus service as far as Basingstoke. We apologise for any inconvenience that resulting delays will cause and wish you a pleasant journey. Thank you”), but of 20-30 individuals including a reconnaissance group, at least four mobile close observation teams, a command team, a logistics team, who do basic stuff like hiring cars for everyone involved in the job, a weapons team of trained ops to look after the Novichok expertly, and so on and so on.
Not that any of the serious pros would have even considered “Novichok” as a tool of a targeted assassination, delivered via a door handle or anywhere else.
Listen though, and this is crucial to understand, although utterly laughable; in the months just before the “incident”, Sky One had aired its series “Strike Back: Retribution”, where the Russian villains use “Novichok” as a deadly weapon. The series premiered on 31 October 2017 on Sky One in the United Kingdom and 2 February 2018 on Cinemax in the United States.
So that is it. The British secret or intelligence services, in all their genius, cooked up a plot for public consumption based on a thriller series they had been watching on Sky One.
And everyone swallowed it hook, line and sinker, no questions asked, including our legendarily impressive media in all its forms.
The British secret or intelligence services, in all their genius, cooked up a plot for public consumption based on a thriller series they had been watching on Sky One.
— consider the opposite possibility, that the Mockingbird operatives embedded in the corporate media inserted a plotline into one of their disinfo narratives, based on the script for an upcoming psychological warfare operation by their deep-state controllers. Psyops work much better with propaganda seeding of the target population conducted in advance.
“the Mockingbird operatives embedded in the corporate media inserted a plotline into one of their disinfo narratives, based on the script for an upcoming psychological warfare operation by their deep-state controllers“.
Fair point, but would they have used Sky One? Not enough reach, surely. In their shoes, BBC1 would have been more logical.
In ‘The Sum of All Fears’, the dastardly Russians use Novichok against defenceless, freedom-loving, Chechnyans, if I recall correctly.
I think you mean “fanatical, foreign mujahideen” who took over the Chechen autonomy movement.
And they were well funded by Sadist Barbaria and well armed by the United Snakes.
This is most interesting, as the ‘hybrid warfare” involved in this multiple deception seems to include the use of films and TV dramas, either made specially to prepare the public mind, or exploited in some way. One thinks only of the recent release and awarding of “For Sama” just as the old stories about hospital attacks in Syria are a vital part of the war for Idlib, and of course of the delaying of the release of “Official Secrets” of which I have already written here. This film was first available just a week ago on DVD, after its publication and public screening was put off for three months, apparently after pressure from GCHQ. I advise anyone who hasn’t seen it to get a copy.
What remains most incredible, and stretching credibility of “Kremlin Bots” well beyond the daft conspiracy zone, is that the whole performance with hundreds of guys in green bottle suits, digging up half of Salisbury town centre and burying twenty vehicles, WAS a performance – a theatrical performance in which many of the actors apparently believed they were not acting!
Just one small last point – on the potential deaths from Novichok. It was HdBG, and later the OPCW head who came up with the “half eggcup full” of A234 allegedly used, without any suggestion it could kill about 5000 people. While others also did the calculation, I set out the details of the lethal dose and potential in an article on “highly likely”, and that sort of thing. Only later, as in the Panorama programme, did officials acknowledge that what they claimed was used would be enough to kill so many people; saying so at the time would surely have created widespread panic and disbelief. But one doesn’t need to overstate the case – enough to kill half of Salisbury’s residents would be sufficient.
There is a very detailed analysis by Rob Slane on his website http://www.blogmire.com Mr Slane has covered this topic in detail from an early stage and has some of the best analysis on the subject you are likely to read.
Wrong domain James.
The actual domain is: http://www.theblogmire.com
the delaying of the release of “Official Secrets” of which I have already written here. This film was first available just a week ago on DVD, after its publication and public screening was put off for three months, apparently after pressure from GCHQ. I advise anyone who hasn’t seen it to get a copy.
You can watch it on Youtube.
Alternatively, you can get it with bittorrent.
https://rarbg.to/torrent/wfog4tp
Thanks Milosevic. I might note that although Official Secrets was screened in Sydney and Melbourne in November and December, the DVD isn’t available here until a week’s time. Despite my exhortations to people to see it, I’ve had to wait all this time for them to understand why it’s important, and I’m still going to have to buy the DVD myself and get them to watch it! But perhaps a youtube link would be better, so thanks.
Novichok was mentioned years earlier in the movie The Sum of All Fears made in 2001 just before 9/11. The fact is there as a question of whether the stuff actually exists other than in the febrile minds of Tom Clancy and Paul Attanasio.
Gotta love the Russians sense of humor though. After the Brits went ape shit over Novichok a Russian company named their Vodka after it and it was a big seller:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6146633/russia-novichok-vodka-jibe-salisbury-poisoning/
Where d’ya get it!?
Ran out to the local BevMo to find it after reading the article to snag it as a collectors item but no luck. Maybe you’d have better luck down under. Just ask for Novichok at your local Liquor Store 🙂
Indeed, and how many other events have an official story whose absurdity stands all on its own? I think we can stop well short of accusing the masses of willful ignorance for not researching material that contradicts an official story because they, in fact, fail to Critically examine even a self-damning official story in its entirety.
Where’s Yulia Skripal…?
Apparently the May 2018 interview by the Reuters journalist took place at the US airforce base at Fairford in Gloucestershire. One might presume afterwards that Julia and Sergei Skripal were spirited off to the US with new identities and are now living in a new town there.
Or pushed out into the middle of the Atlantic en route?
FAR more likely.
The natural conclusion though would be that wherever she / they were they would contact her family to whom she was close – I think she was close her aunt or grandmother? and make contact. In the light of that it is hard to accept that she would not unless she couldn’t. At best that makes her (a foreign national) a prisoner of the state….. she would surely only accept that if she accepted that the Russian state was trying to kill her. If she had any exposure to alt media the internet etc. she would quickly know that whole story is a pack of lies. She would know that the state had lied to her and were holding her on a pretext. So whatever the reality it points that at best she is being held incommunicado probably against her will….
I think it far more likely that Sergei wanted to go home, Julia was assisting him, the Russian bozos were there to deliver him a passport, and one to change places with him until he was safely out of the country. British intelligence knew what was happening and gassed Julia and Sergei on the bench and poor Charlie and Dawn had a drugs overdose and were written into the fabrication, meanwhile, there were people in hazmat suits alongside people wearing no protection at all filmed in the Salisbury hospital ward where the “victims” were treated. All the evidence, including Skripal’s cats were incinerated……and that was also the likely fate of Julia and Sergei.
I therefore have been labeled .
March 20, 2018