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Keep It Simple and Question: Propaganda, Technology, and Coronavirus

Edward Curtin

My father, a well-educated lawyer with a very sophisticated mind, used to advise me to “keep it simple.” By simple he didn’t mean simplistic. He meant fundamentally logical and to the point. So I will do that here and stick to some simple realities, now that understanding what is going on in the world has become an idiot’s game played by the corporate mass media to confuse people.

I have been writing about the dangers of technology for many years. Not all technology, of course, for the pencil I am writing this with is a technology, and an amazing and underappreciated one. I am referring to the techno-scientific, digital, high-tech sort, the world of computers, cell phones, genetic engineering, biological weapons development, etc. You know, all the stuff that has made our lives better and easier.

Two of the major problems the world faces – world destruction with nuclear weapons and the poisoning of the earth’s ecology and atmosphere – are the result of the marriage of science and technique that has given birth to the technological “babies” (Little Boy and Fat Man) that were used by the U.S. to massacre hundreds of thousands of Japanese and now threaten to incinerate everyone, and the chemical and toxic inventions that have despoiled the earth, air, and water and continue to kill people worldwide through America’s endless war-making and industrial applications.

Technology and technique, the technical way of thinking that undergirds it, are what we should fear most, not the will-o’-the-wisps marched out daily by the corporate mass media to create fear and panic. Those are ghost fears that should only frighten children.

But as I have written before, most Americans are children, living inside a doll’s house of illusions and delusions while government and intelligence forces and their mass media accomplices play with them through technological propaganda.

For every problem caused by technology, a technological “solution” is always offered that creates further technological problems ad infinitum. But since people have been taught to love technology, they embrace the alleged technological “solutions” that are necessitated by the problems caused by the original technology. It’s a circle game.

In our technopoly, logical thinking has become illogical; cause and effect, means and ends have been inverted. The causes of our problems are touted as the means to end them. These “solutions” are always offered with a straight face, as if they made perfect sense. This is how societies operate when in the grip of myths. In this case, the myths of science, progress, and history.

Such myths render the obvious invisible as they create a hopeless inevitability in people who can imagine no alternative and have been convinced that science is the secret to salvation and the means to the things they have learned to desire, including longevity and perhaps “immortality.” And these things have become the means to additional means in an endless loop from which, by definition, ends are absent. As a result, the search for truth, celebrated as a goal of science, is slyly eliminated. Keeping it simple becomes harder and harder.

The important point is that the entire system of propaganda works on fear that is promulgated via the electronic media: television, cell phones, and computers. It is pumped out non-stop.

The fear is the fear of death, the fundamental human fear that haunts humans like nothing else and is a linchpin of human activity. It is what the powerful know how to manipulate to control people.

Death that can come at the hands of fabricated enemies, disease, or state forces that will get you if you step too far out of line. Russia, China, Iran, corona virus, Julian Assange, and Chelsey Manning being a few prominent recent examples of what to fear and what will become of you if you resist the fear-mongering and lies, and are brave.

Since today’s news is dominated by the fear of coronavirus, here is a partial list of other diseases that since 2003 we were told loudly and repeatedly would become pandemics and decimate the human race. Diseases to be very afraid of since they were coming for you if you weren’t very vigilant and forgot to wash your hands.

  • 2003 SARS
  • 2005 Avian Flu
  • 2009 Swine Flu
  • 2012 West Nile Virus
  • 2014 Ebola
  • 2016 Zika

Well, they didn’t, very far from it; they were like scam telephone calls that scare the gullible into believing the message that they will be immediately arrested if they don’t send $1,000 to Mr. X somewhere. But just like the colour-coded terrorism warnings under George W. Bush, the pandemic alerts regularly pressed the panic button and kept fear in the air, until the panic balloon later burst under careful scrutiny, but at a point when most people had ingested the false fear of the earlier headlines and were not about to follow-up.

Now we have Coronavirus (COVID-19). So beware. Let us show you how to wash your hands and protect yourself.

Ten minutes viewing of any of the major television networks news shows is like entering a house of horrors at an amusement park. After viewing one, you want to wear your football helmet and mask, go to bed, and never get up. They ooze fear, as is their intent.

The game is both obvious and subtle. Even while COVID-19 is hyped, here and there the media throw in exaggerated figures on the regular flu, as if to say: we are fair and objective; both are bad, even if the coronavirus might soon become a pandemic.

It’s akin to their saying Trump is really scary, but look how scary the socialist Sanders is. You don’t want either.
You want the one we will tell you to want who will protect you. Listen to us, for we are here to advise, so you will consent.

The news reports about the regular seasonal flu are most revealing. If you peruse the media across all platforms, including alternative sources, you will see people repeating as fact the numbers of flu deaths in the U.S.A. so far this flu season (October 1, 2019 until today).

The numbers range from 12,000 to 18, 000 and higher, from CNN, CBS, NBC, etc. Try it. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates the “flu deaths” for this season will be 18,000 to 46,000.

However, if you dig down into the CDC figures and look at its table, which few do, you will see that the actual number of flu deaths claimed by the CDC for this season is 3,994 at the time of writing (3/6/2020 – the latest data through eight weeks of 2020), while they also estimate at one place on their website the deaths from flu at 20,000 – 52,000 so far and 20,000 at another spot.

The disparity in figures is bizarre. They also claim the number of cases is decreasing and this season doesn’t look particularly bad. (Go here, scroll down, and click on “View Data Chart”).

Isn’t that strange? A bit of a simple discrepancy, wouldn’t you say? Why would the CDC do that, and why would the media repeat it?

The CDC estimates that there will be 18,000-46,000 deaths this season and estimates 50,000 or 20,000 have already died of the flu but their facts show only 3,994 have so far died of the flu and the peak months for flu have ended. Where do those tens of thousands of additional deaths come from? Estimates?

Despite the facts at the table on their own website, in the next six months, the CD will announce , as they do every year just in time for the next flu season and the PR campaign for everyone to get their flu shot, the cumulative results for the season, which will be many tens of thousands.

What kind of game is going on here? Are you confused yet?

To repeat: the essential fear that the powerful use to manipulate and control people is the fear of death. Death in many guises: physical, social, psychological, etc. But the fear of death must be used in a way that is very confusing and scrambles people’s thinking while it frightens them.

If we keep it simple and examine what there really is to fear, it is the growth of the sophisticated modern technology in the hands of governments and corporations that has destroyed privacy, poisoned people and the earth, created digital dementia on a vast scale, allowed propaganda to flourish as never before, and is poised to blow the world to smithereens with nuclear weapons.

Then, of course there is the biologic disease warfare research and development that the U.S.A. has been involved in since it brought the German scientists here after WW II (Operation Paperclip) to continue the work they did for Hitler. Genetic research and the creation of virulent forms of viruses and bacteria became twisted into a system of science and medicine funded by the government to serve duel purposes that have become hard to distinguish.

So instead of panicking, perhaps it is better to ask some simple questions and seek simple answers. Maybe start by checking the CDC data and then asking what those anthrax attacks following the attacks of September 11, 2001 were all about, and why the U.S.A. refused in the summer of 2001 to sign the Protocol to the 1975 Biological Weapons Convention (BWC) that would have added verification procedures to the BWC.

Maybe read Graeme MacQueen’s eye-opening book, The 2001 Anthrax Deception.

Maybe see that the mass media reports about the coronavirus conceal more than they reveal.

Keep it simple and question.

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Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 14, 2020 5:05 PM

Covid19 is a TICKING TIMEBOMB and the USA won’t cope

14 Mar 2020

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 13, 2020 8:48 PM

China publishes coronavirus patients autopsy results, says infection sources determined

The report notes that the coronavirus was found in the human excretory system

Excerpt:

The article provides data on infection degree and pathological changes of lungs, and reports significant shrinkage of spleen and degradation of myocardial cells. The report notes that the coronavirus was found in the human excretory system, which might also serve as the source of contact and aerosol infection mechanism.

Aerosol infection mechanism implies transmission of the virus while talking, coughing and sneezing. It also includes the dust transmission, when dust particles containing the virus get inside the lungs of a healthy human.

Besides, Chinese researchers have discovered two subtypes of the novel coronavirus with different virulence, Beijing Daily reported Wednesday citing Chinese Academy of Sciences.

https://tass.com/world/1126545

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 14, 2020 2:29 AM
Reply to  Vierotchka

TASS dateline ->4<- March. Having previously sequenced and published the genome in record time, then–from it–developed the first half-reliable test kit (while, meantime, in the same time, the US CDC developed a fiasco), then (now 10 days ago) having distinguished two evolved subtypes and determined several differences in various parameters and their pathologies, then published all that (this is ‘old’ news, already reprinted elsewhere), one has to hand it to those inscrutable Chinese: they’ve been thinking so quick on this novel Coronavirus stuff compared to everyone else, despite a long pre-, in- and post-denial period, waiting for Xi to emit an aerosol or two of dodgy flatulence, it’s almost like they’ve been using an occult cheat sheet.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 14, 2020 3:56 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Did I say several ‘critical’ differences? I meant to say several critical differences.

Prez Xi mitigating his “excretory system” flatulences: https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/71789437e9072a6ccef4f88f21d9ecd8
(even more inscrutable than usual, as appropriate for such delicate bodily functions). Note: as a leading member of the world’s ‘socialist’ elite, Prez Xi never travelled on the N95 from Victoria to Becontree and, as we see here, he still wouldn’t (/doesn’t).

Q: How many tiny dots of “excretory system” flatulence does it take to connect Wuhan’s Level 4 biolab to the CMC in Bejing (rhymes with ‘Jinping’).
A: Not too many.
C: Hellöo…

Tony
Tony
Mar 14, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  Vierotchka

Vierotchka,

There are numerous reports on the net similar to this one claiming different strains of coronavirus are at work. There is a recent one published in the Lancet on pathological findings:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30076-X/fulltext.

However, you won’t find any concrete scientific evidence in these reports about the isolation of the virus itself or that it, and it alone, is the cause of COVID-19.
All we get here in this one, is a reference to RT-PCR – here’s the quote from the Lancet article cited above:

On Jan 22 (day 9 of illness), the Beijing Centres for Disease Control (CDC) confirmed by reverse real-time PCR assay that the patient had COVID-19.

But if you haven’t isolated that strain of virus and published the genomic details (which they have not done) PCR assay is useless to confirm it was a coronavirus that caused the COVID-19 syndrome under investigation.

These so-called ‘scientific’ news stories that you report MUST include full details and proper scientific references to be worth anything and not half-cocked details that are not acceptable and will not do to establish this alleged virus and its alleged effects – period!

Even the CDC in the US admits that PCR assays do not detect virus because it can only do that if the genome has been sequenced FIRST but it hasn’t – here’s the quote:

Notably, the detection of influenza viral RNA or nucleic acids by molecular assays does not necessarily indicate detection of viable virus or on-going influenza viral replication.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 14, 2020 5:04 PM
Reply to  Tony

Covid-19 is not an influenza virus, it is a coronavirus.

Tony
Tony
Mar 14, 2020 6:20 PM
Reply to  Vierotchka

Vierotchka,

Nobody said coronavirus was an influenza virus it is an RNA virus similar to what they are referring to as an influenza virus because it allegedly causes similar symptoms. The acronym COVID-19 by the way, is not a coronavirus either, its the alleged symptoms that the virus is supposed to cause. Here’s the full quote from the CDC for all its worth:

On February 11, 2020 the World Health Organization announced an official name for the disease that is causing the 2019 novel coronavirus outbreak, first identified in Wuhan China. The new name of this disease is coronavirus disease 2019, abbreviated as COVID-19. In COVID-19, ‘CO’ stands for ‘corona,’ ‘VI’ for ‘virus,’ and ‘D’ for disease. Formerly, this disease was referred to as “2019 novel coronavirus” or “2019-nCoV”.

The only reason why influenza viral RNA was mentioned in my last post from the CDC quote was to illustrate the fact that a PCR assay cannot detect virus whether its an RNA virus or a DNA virus unless the viral genome has been isolated and sequenced FIRST to be used as a gold standard of comparison which has not been done.

Tony
Tony
Mar 13, 2020 12:49 PM

OK Edward,

Let’s try and make a more complex issue simple.

There are now stories going about that this alleged coronavirus strain was ‘genetically engineered’. So what? The same problem still has to be addressed by science even if we assume it was engineered.
What is very SUSPICIOUS more than anything else is that NOBODY – NO SCIENTIST has ever claimed to have isolated this alleged virus and sequenced its genome by the proper methods required.

You can rest assured that if the virus were genuine – engineered or otherwise, the scientific results of the study would have been published and peer-reviewed soon after the so-called outbreak commenced. They have had plenty of time to have done that -assuming there was nothing to hide.

So, even if we assume the existence of such a ‘virus’ – the same scientific criteria must apply to the isolation/purification and genetic sequencing of that virus that I have specified numerous times on other threads and the pure particles must be proven to be ‘infectious’ with the proper scientific controls.

Since nobody has ever done that to date, and delivered the required proof, therefore, any claim that such a virus is ‘pathogenic’ due to being genetically engineered (or otherwise) in a lab, or is the one and only cause the of the so-called “COVID-19” syndrome is simply based on PURE SPECULATION not FACT.

Tony
Tony
Mar 13, 2020 4:34 PM
Reply to  Tony

Also check this folks by Dr Lanka:

https://neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 6:05 PM
Reply to  Tony

“…any claim that such a virus is ‘pathogenic’ due to being genetically engineered (or otherwise) in a lab, or is the one and only cause the of the so-called “COVID-19” syndrome is simply based on PURE SPECULATION not FACT.”

That would depend on who is making (or not making) or obfuscating (or not obfuscating) such a claim, to whom, and–if there were any genetic engineering involved–then what the intent of that engineering was, including all aspects of its intended behaviour (such as its intended pathogenicity or otherwise, its intended titre, and so on) and how close any such engineering effort was to achieving its pre-specified (black budgeted) goals, etc. To address only the first point: if such a virus had been the object of an engineering effort that either escaped or had been escaped, which Level 4 lab in any country that was seriously committed to a ‘defence’ budget would seek to clarify, beyond ‘speculation’, anything at all? By way of analogy, consider post Vanunu Israel re confirmation of not of any detail whatsoever of a possible national nuclear ambition (or not). You think the Pentagon or its analogues in other countries eschew ‘speculation’ in their assessment of possible future ‘requirements’? What do you imagine the word ‘games’ in ‘war games’ means? Something that John Nash confined to battles of tic-tac-toe with his special friends at RAND to keep his beautiful mind mathematically ‘pure’?

Tony
Tony
Mar 13, 2020 7:41 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Rob,

I agree that would depend on who is making the claim one way or another. One example of such a ‘claim’ in question stems from the Epoch Times in an article by Yuhong Dong who holds an M.D. from Beijing Medical University and a doctorate in infectious diseases from Beijing University, he states that:

There are many scientific questions regarding this novel virus. Based on recently published scientific papers, this new coronavirus has unprecedented virologic features that suggest genetic engineering may have been involved in its creation.

Notice that he is suggesting that genetic engineering only “may” have been involved – he doesn’t know that is was in fact involved here and there’s no proof that it was.

He also cites that a Lancet article which reported that the Wuhan virus was “not likely to be caused by natural recombination”. It has also been claimed that the genome of this virus has been sequenced but the scientific papers I have read are scant in relevant detail and don’t use the appropriate isolation methods that are absolutely necessary.

But were back again through the revolving door, nobody DOES claim to have isolated a pure virus with its whole genome intact and conclusively proved that it, and it alone is the single cause of COVID-19 –with the proper necessary experimental details and controls. They obfuscate the issue, and try to blind people with scientific jargon and metaphors like viruses ‘hijacking’ and ‘controlling’ cells when they can do no such thing.

Another article by Mike Adams of Natural News appeared March 3rd entitled: Irrefutable: The coronavirus was engineered by scientists in a lab using well documented genetic engineering vectors that leave behind a “fingerprint”.

Hence Adam’s bald statement:

Every virology lab in the world that has run a genomic analysis of the coronavirus now knows that the coronavirus was engineered by human scientists.

But in fact, and in reality, nobody has ever run a proper “genomic analysis of the coronavirus” in question (whether claimed to be engineered or not) because you have to isolate the original coronavirus FIRST and prove that you have actually done that FIRST before anything else -before you can engineer a new strain of coronavirus and prove that it’s the cause of COVID-19. To pretend otherwise, would mean that you wouldn’t know what you were engineering! It might be something but it certainly wouldn’t be a coronavirus!

So to say that “every virology lab in the world knows that the coronavirus was engineered by human scientists” is a pure speculative statement and is not a fact. How can Adams know what the scientists in every virology lab in the world knows???? It’s bad enough trying to
know what’s in one’s own mind let alone someone else’s!

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 14, 2020 4:11 AM
Reply to  Tony

“Notice that he is suggesting that genetic engineering only “may” have been involved – he doesn’t know that is was in fact involved here and there’s no proof that it was.”

Not interested in Adams, not saying that practically everything about this virus is not speculative (note double negative). Am saying that speculation (and circumstantial evidence) is usually all there is to go on in most national covert planning. Doesn’t stop us knowing pretty well what Dimona is up to even behind Mordechai’s back. Claimer: am acutely aware of evidence v speculation gaps, am extremely allergic to tinfoil.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 14, 2020 4:13 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Ooops. For :

“Notice that he is suggesting that genetic engineering only “may” have been involved – he doesn’t know that is was in fact involved here and there’s no proof that it was.”

read

“Notice that he is suggesting that genetic engineering only “may” have been involved – he doesn’t know that is was in fact involved here and there’s no proof that it was.”

Tony
Tony
Mar 14, 2020 11:22 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Yes Rob, you say “that speculation (and circumstantial evidence) is usually all there is to go on in most national covert planning”. But when the fire brigade arrives at a fire to put it out they are not necessarily the cause of the fire, if you catch my meaning.

Circumstantial evidence and speculation as put out by the MSM and others can lead us down the wrong path towards drawing the wrong conclusions. In fact with circumstantial evidence one can often think whatever one wants to think! There’s enough “tinfoil” going around Rob, so it’s probably a good thing you are allergic to it, so you can avoid it like plague!

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 16, 2020 1:16 PM
Reply to  Tony

What is a fact is that every single available piece of evidence perfectly fits the hypothesis that the coronavirus pandemic story we are told is, in reality, a “live exercise” where deliberate anomalies are introduced into the story to distinguish it from a real pandemic (on top of the naturally occurring ones) while numerous questions are raised for the “real pandemic” story.

Tony
Tony
Mar 16, 2020 3:38 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Hi Petra,

I’ve just posted this on the along with another post on the “Watch: Is this the big event thread” see what you think.

Here’s a summary of some of the possible, unlikely, and also undetermined scenarios connected with coronavirus and COVID-19:-

1. The coronavirus is real has not been genetically engineered in a lab and is the sole cause of COVID-19 but the virus rapidly mutates. (Unlikely, because no scientist has produced any scientific paper claiming to have ever isolated the virus and proved that it is indeed infections whether it mutates rapidly or not).

2. The virus is real and was genetically engineered in a lab somewhere in China (or America or elsewhere!) and is pathogenic and is therefore the sole cause of the outbreak of COVID-19 (Unlikely, because it cannot be proven that any virus is the sole cause of disease including COVID-19, and it’s never been isolated to date to prove that it even exists or is infectious, or whether it mutates).

3. The coronavirus exists as a ‘pathogen’ in name only and is just a cover cause for the syndrome known as COVID-19 which manifests as a form of pneumonia and flu-like symptoms but is really caused by trial run for the new scalar weapons technology that several countries now possess as well as China and are being deployed in selected areas throughout the world. You can decide the motive or agenda.

4. The coronavirus has nothing necessarily to do with COVID-19 – in traditional Chinese medicine this syndrome would be referred to as Wenbing – a warm disease caused by different forms of pathogenic energy or Qi (Chi). That was the case with SARS and it was classed as a ‘heat-wind’ epidemic (not a virus per se, but you can call pathogenic Qi a ‘virus’ if you like).

5. The coronavirus and COVID-19 are part of a psyops programme and also a trial run for the oncoming economic collapse, again, using opportunistic ‘infections’ such as pneumonia and flu-like symptoms for COVID-19 and blaming an alleged ‘coronavirus’ because it fits the frame very well
because the majority of the population believe in pathogenic viruses and are easily conned.

6. Which scenario (or combination) will you chose and why?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 16, 2020 9:44 PM
Reply to  Tony

There is nothing in what I’ve seen of alleged sufferers that indicates they’re suffering from anything so I would go for Number 5 (at least as far as COVID-19 is concerned – whether or not coronaviruses in general exist I wouldn’t know, however, I think it’s perfectly possible that they’re all made up) and other than alleged sufferers I’m not aware of any evidence that indicates anyone is suffering from the alleged COVID-19 as distinct from whatever viruses and flus are floating around normally.

I think SARS, Swine, Avian, Ebola, MERS and Zika are all made up too.

SARS allegedly came from the civet cat and for the current pandemic we see an image of someone holding a civet cat. However, the caption says:

“Media said about 50 types of wild animal were on sale at the market, including endangered pangolins.”

I’m sure it didn’t say “Media said …” when I first looked at this article. “Media said …”. Doncha love it?

https://dunyanews.tv/en/Health/529988-Wuhan-market-contained-snakes-porcupines-foxes-pangolins-before-coron

They love connecting their hoaxes with little references and I have to say I do get a chuckle out of the animals. “Narwhal tusk” for recent attack in London, cat and two guinea pigs for Skripals, civet cat for SARS, camel for MERS and now pangolins, Chinese cobra and many-banded krait.

Around the time of the Swine flu I did hear of people allegedly suffering from it, however, I think they were probably just suffering from a really bad flu that happened to be going around at the time.
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/01/25/new-china-virus-swine-flu-hoax-history-matters/

This is footage of obvious staging for both Ebola and COVID-19.
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=5O5S44R54H3X

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 16, 2020 11:11 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Just to add: I also think they wouldn’t manufacture a virus and release it because that would fuck with the control of the story … and it’s all about total control of the story.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 16, 2020 11:16 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

And just to add again: I think in their psyops they only ever do what they want for real, for real. Everything else is staged. They wanted the buildings down on 9/11 so they brought them down. They didn’t want real death and injury nor faked plane crashes so they didn’t do them for real – not that doing it for real was possible for the plane crashes or would have worked well for death and injury either. But a psyop is a psyop! And I think they take pride in ensuring that their psyops are 100% psyop.

Yet the whole time they psyop us they tell us the truth at the same time. That’s the staggering thing about it. They always give us the clues.

Tony
Tony
Mar 17, 2020 3:42 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Hi Petra,

I think that you now see why the coronavirus has been selected as the easiest way to explain COVID-19? The current virus theory
in microbiology is incoherent and untenable as it stands but I
don’t want to get into details of that now and I’ve probably said enough already. However, for the present I would like to add the following points regarding the current situation wrt Psyop.

Bearing in mind that behavioural changes are at the root of a Psyop mission and information and disinformation are used to achieve certain strategic objectives. So let’s consider the following points:

1. The population already believes in the one cause germ theory, through constant social conditioning and indoctrination with mainstream medical ideology and propaganda for decades – because it’s so easy to understand anyway. Unfortunately, this has resulted in the strong tendency to generate an underlying germ phobia, and that germs must be killed, and in the current situation a ‘virus phobia’.

Also, many people are now apprehensive and afraid of what’s going on and what’s going to happen to them, but that is exactly what the perpetrators are banking on – and now the fear itself is generalizing, and in some cases paranoia and agoraphobia is beginning to set in – particularly in the elderly, and the authorities are making it worse through their various threats of confinement etc. An old divide and rule strategy is also gradually being implemented to ‘regulate’ and isolate people socially and physically by inculcating the fear of contagion.

2. The ‘virus’ is the easiest way of explaining the situation and symptom picture of COVID-19, because the mainstream scientists and the central and local authorities themselves believe in the pathogenic virus myth and the scientists are either too far gone in their belief, or too afraid to admit and determine that there are other causes and conditions at work in producing the presenting COVID-19 symptoms that have nothing to do with any virus. If they are forced to admit that, it would give their game away and contradict their mono-causal germ and virus theory.

This implies that many diseases blamed on viruses either have unknown or undetermined causes and conditions, or other causes and conditions are known but suppressed due to the financial interests involved and the political influence of the pharmaceutical industry who is the main supporter of virus and germ theories of disease which help to flog its bogus vaccines to make huge profits.

3. As already indicated elsewhere (and in my opinion unless proved otherwise) the popular lived fixation with the ‘coronavirus’ myth serves as an ideal cover story not only for explaining the symptoms of COVID-19, but is also represents a practical diversion of attention away from the causes of the long overdue problem of the oncoming financial collapse as it will for the most part be blamed for it, (again it’s easy for the population to grasp single cause explanations – it’s the coronavirus that caused it!).

4. It will therefore be an attempt to shift the blame from the corrupt practices of the international criminal network of top bankers, corrupt politicians, ideologues and corporate powers etc that are responsible for the dire mess we are now in and whose imperialistic policies have destroyed, and still are in the process of destroying, the global economic and social fabric of nations.

5. However, if this so-called current ‘pandemic’ does just turn out be just a socially engineered ‘trial run’ for worse things yet to come, then it should be a lesson to be learned and for people to get their houses in order –fast, before it’s too late.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 13, 2020 3:16 AM

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Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 13, 2020 2:57 AM

PANDUMBIC (Official Trailer) | The Daily Show

10 Mar 2020

One man… immune to information.

PANDUMBIC

See also:

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1238272311226175500

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 2:48 AM

You’ve overheated the loonies this time, Mr Curtin. They’re feeding each other with your coronavirus. How many coronavirus articles does it take to fabricate one gluten free steak?

insearch of reason
insearch of reason
Mar 11, 2020 3:59 AM

8 billion humans find themselves divided and sorted into 206 different but commonly managed and linked containers (nation states). The invisible few claim the right to rule by power of some kind of enabling instrument; they use that same claim to institute laws, generate military force, and to make the masses work and pay to redirect the benefits of society to the invisible few. <=what is wrong with this situation? Why do the programmed masses allow it.. because they have been kept in the dark?

Virtual division of containerized humanity. Inside of Container A people are taught, urged and forced to hate the people inside of Container B. The people in each a and b containers are sorted into governor vs governed, then sorted by political party (red vs blue); and again sorted by a long list of binaries. In time these sorts develop their polar opposites into hate groups. the members of the polar red group are taught to hate the members of the polar blue group.

Think Are we each and all victims of division strategy and experience control? Our experience molds our thoughts, controls our behaviors, and instills our morality. Has the power to rule been extended to be the power to mold and govern conscious human existence?

Any binary can be used to divide and polarize humans (20 polar negatives[against abortion)+20 polar positives(for abortion) = net 0 votes <=the vote of the 41st person rules ). The governed are manipulated into fearing and hating the humans in the other nation states so that the manipulated humans become tools of war to be lead by those in charge. within each container, polar binaries (democrp/reputaturd, abortion/no abortion, Bexit/remain, socialism/capitalism, public/private health care, war/no war, etc.) are used to render helpless the power of mankind to organize and to coordinate that power in ways that serve the collective masses.

Human gene products are differentiated by their experience. [<= the most greedy persons and most devious minds seem to direct the activities inside of the containers] the mental state of each containerized person is a result of a sensory-system-visible, engineered-environment.

Behavior, knowledge stores, and belief are functions of experience.. Human experience shapes the character, establishes the relative feeling of security and defines the behaviors allowed to, or expected of, each human person.

The environment inside of the container (nation state) is structured to enable those in charge to manipulate the variables that determine human behavior, that express human emotion, that polarize opinion, that allow tolerance to the other, and that establish human belief.

C. E. Leper, Jr. <=meaningless mnemonic, but useful to remember and to standardize the list order..
| || | | | | | | | race
| || | | | | | | jobs
| || | | | | | religion
| || | | | | economics
| || | | | propaganda
| || | | entertainment
| || | law
| | education
| culture

Each person is a gene product of their genetic composition, but after birth, humans mature into behavioral and emotional echos of their personal experiences. The sensory visible environment in the container produces standard thoughts, regulated behaviors, and it suppresses our objections to immorality.

It is prudent to ask, if the viral nature or genetic target of this virus was or is composed of a genetically engineered element, or if its pathological element is natural, but its path to target human infection has been enabled by human intervention. It is urgent to the survival of mankind to discover if this is a 9/11 type event or not.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Mar 11, 2020 11:56 AM

Nice attempt – but as I say above and below – just follow the MONEY.

That covers all your points and gives you a truly historical time line.

Some important topics to try and coalesce about are :
Treaty of Westphalia, Setting up of the Bank of England, the Red Shield enterprise, the East India Companies, the American rebellion, Napoleon, Duke of Wellingtons rise, Cecil Rhodes rise, British Empire, American Civil War, assassination of Lincoln, the setting up of the Federal Reserve, its role in the First and Second and THIRD world wars and the world of QE we have been living in for the last dozen years and upto date the rise of the SCO nexus that finally kills the ancients Imperial escapade.

Of course it can go back to the various papacies and Crusades and the Roman Empire !

Tim Steinkamp
Tim Steinkamp
Mar 18, 2020 4:42 AM

Watch prime time TV, it is all about government employees or Hollywood. Like Patty Hearst and the many people in cults we are brainwashed. It starts with the Lie of Santa Claus and goes to school, boot camp, law school, medical school or any thing that needs a license to make money.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 11, 2020 12:39 AM

The disparity in figures is bizarre. They also claim the number of cases is decreasing and this season doesn’t look particularly bad. (Go here, scroll down, and click on “View Data Chart”).

Isn’t that strange? A bit of a simple discrepancy, wouldn’t you say? Why would the CDC do that, and why would the media repeat it?

There is a very simple reason for their doing it, Edward, and it pains me that I have to explain it over and over and over again as if to people who are simple-minded.

This is the irony, Edward, the massive irony.

The power elite are utterly scrupulous in the manner that they hoax us which is completely at odds with the way we plebeians analyse how the power elite exert their power over us. We plebeians choose to willfully turn from and wave away the clear evidence in front of our eyes while the whole time the power elite push it in our faces. They ram it in, they make a complete mockery, they chortle their heads off while we turn our heads away and … even worse … turn on those pointing out their mockery, deriding with “you-think-everything’s-a-hoax” (does the evidence say it isn’t?): Flight 175 popping out the other side of the South tower; the terrorists popping up alive; Robbie Parker, smiling broadly as he approaches the microphone to twice tell us in a 17-minute press conference about a fundraising site already set up (with no explanation or limit) for his 6-year-old daughter who was allegedly brutally murdered the day before.

Could they make it any clearer? They really couldn’t … and yet even those who’ve allegedly swallowed the red pill demur from seeing the clear truth in front of their eyes. They’ll only go half-way which to my mind is completely ineffectual … and also EXACTLY how far the power elite know people will go – an ineffectual half way.

How the power elite are utterly scrupulous while we plebeians are not:

— They always give us clues of staging: sloppiness of execution, over-the-top ridiculousness, discrepancy between show and tell, the actual truth, smiling grievers, things that don’t add up, contradictions in the story, physical impossibilities, Masonic numbers and symbols and on and on.

— They are utterly scrupulous in manifesting total absence of a single piece of evidence faked so well that it can be used by believers of their stories to defend their belief. When you blow away the magic propaganda dust, there’s simply nothing there.

How many times do I have to say this for people to get it? It’s so self-evident and when I initially heard the first part (the corollary second part I observed for myself) I didn’t pause for a nanosecond in believing it because it explained so many things that had puzzled me, including items identified above.

So why would the CDC do that, Edward?
Because it’s part of the MO. The MO is to include deliberate discrepancies to distinguish “live exercise” from real event. It is so very, very simple.

The power elite always give us the chance to opt out of the response they wish to instil in us but, generally, either, we completely go along or we go along at least part of the way. We accept figures that don’t add up because we respect the BIG DEATH TABOO which means that we cannot state that people said to have died did not. In the case of the coronavirus we do have a perfectly good way of avoiding breaching the BIG DEATH TABOO – we don’t have to worry about whether they’re lying about the death statistics only that they’re lying about the cause so I’m sorry that OffG haven’t taken the opportunity to call this out as a complete hoax because they could have avoided breaching the BIG DEATH TABOO anyway. Of course, while we little plebs respect the BIG DEATH TABOO, the power elite only exploit it to silence us and keep us in our place. They show no respect at all by telling us ALL THE TIME that people who died didn’t so we really choose to put ourselves on an uneven playing field when we respect the taboo that they only exploit. We choose blunt swords against their sharp ones when we really don’t have to … it’s just a damn taboo after all. If our search for truth and desire to expose it means respecting societal taboos then … you may as well just forgeddaboudit cos the big boys don’t play fair in that way.

Another anomaly on the CDC website is that they give us only three symptoms: fever, cough and shortness of breath. For such a serious health issue shouldn’t they talk about symptoms as the disease progresses towards possible death?

We have not been shown a single convincing case of a sufferer of this virus and another commenter, Tony, obviously clued up on virology says the alleged COVID-19 cannot be isolated so there is no way to identify sufferers of this virus if it even existed.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe in this pandemic in any shape or form except as a “live exercise” (which every single piece of evidence presented supports heartily) following Event 201, the “pandemic tabletop exercise” held in October last year.

And, Edward, Chelsea Manning is an intelligence asset who used the faked-up Collateral Murder to infiltrate Wikileaks. You talk about myths. You have swallowed the “brave whistleblower” myth lock, stock and barrel by the look of it. Nothing could make more sense than the power elite pushing out something that makes them “look bad” – with zero repercussions, of course – (they sooooo don’t have a problem with that and it only makes them look bad to the small percentage of people who care in any case) in order to establish the credibility of an infiltrator. Please apply logic, evidence and reason to Chelsea Manning, brave whistleblower. If you can provide the tiniest skerrick of evidence that she’s genuine please do and if you can’t (and I know you won’t be able to because the power elite are utterly scrupulous in always giving us the clues and never providing a single thing that a believer in their psyop can brandish to defend its reality) then please do the logical and intellectually courageous and honest thing that you surely believe everyone should do – change your mind about Chelsea, brave whistleblower.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/wikileaks-controlled-opposition.html

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 12, 2020 2:28 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Actually, I shouldn’t say the big boys don’t play fair. What one is obliged to do is not respect taboos but the evidence – that’s really not a huge ask on their part, is it, simply to accord absolute respect to the evidence? If only we respect the evidence we cannot go wrong in working out what these events are. The perps always give us on a platter the evidence of their hoaxery and they never, ever fake anything so well that a believer of their story can brandish it in support of their belief.

They could give us a real dead body (say, taken from a morgue) to throw a complete spanner in the claim of fakery, but they never do.
They could have a griever cry in a convincing manner, but they never do.
They could make their discrepancies less obvious, but they never do.

They implement their “live exercises” by the book and really go out of their way to ensure lots of signs of fakery without anything convincing with which to back their story.

They implement their hoaxes with blaring signs and lack of reality flawlessly while our analysis pathetically ignores, glosses over, does not accord correct significance to and even denies the evidence.

Tony
Tony
Mar 13, 2020 4:32 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Hi Petra,

Check this out by Dr Lanka:

https://neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 15, 2020 6:38 AM
Reply to  Tony

Okaay, Tony, what a can of worms. My questions about polio, measles and smallpox are though that these diseases exist (whatever the cause) and vaccinations work for them, no? So if not a virus for these diseases what causes them, assuming you accept they do exist (at least, smallpox did exist and is supposedly wiped out). I’ll leave HIV/AIDS for the time being.

Tony
Tony
Mar 15, 2020 3:46 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Hi Petra,

You ask a valid question, and there are several different answers to that question.
Perhaps the first point to make is that everyone is DIFFERENT and so are the causal factors and so are the conditions of existence of each particular case of disease.

If you define say polio as an illness caused by an alleged polio virus then each and every polio case must have precisely the same viral cause – namely, the polio virus, they must all have that in common because that’s the way the disease was conceptualised.

If each and every polio case is simply an effect of the same virus as cause, then how do we account for any differences in the conditions of existence of the disease itself and its causal factors if they are all equally effects of the polio virus? Do you see the problem?

The answer is – we pretend they don’t exist or that the differences in each case are just so many different expressions of the same cause – the virus. The essentialism is evident – the virus is the essence (cause) and the signs and symptoms of the disease are simply the phenomenal forms of its expression (as effects). It’s easy to con you from there. But that’s philosophy not science and you can’t explain differences between particular polio cases effectively by reference to a common essence –an alleged polio virus. It ‘s the same with coronavirus and COVID-19.

Insofar as science is concerned, you have to specify their different conditions of existence and specific the causes in each case which is not easy to do as I have already indicated elsewhere. Polio has also undergone a few name changes in its time from a form of abortive poliomyelitis, to aseptic meningitis (nonparalyitic polio) and paralytic polio all allegedly caused by the same virus! Viral mutation is usually played as the ‘get out of jail free card’ but they never come up with the actual isolated virus as proof, so if any further differences in the disease pop up they would be explained away simply as expressions of the new alleged mutated virus! Simple isn’t it?

You have probably heard of the blood brain barrier (BBB) which is supposed to protect the brain from toxic molecular material. Well, they have now discovered that there are parts of the brain without such ‘protection’ where toxic material and ‘excitotoxins’ like MSG can get through anyway and damage the neurological tissue brain and produce an inflammatory response, and the bacteria will then move in to play their part, but the bacteria are not the cause of polio.

Heavy metals like lead and cadmium are well-known CNS toxins, and so are certain pesticides, many industrial poisons, aluminium and mercury in vaccines all play a role as causal factors to mention only a few. But any specific toxic materials(s) would have to be determined in each case and that is unlikely to happen, since they believe it’s all down to a mythical virus and won’t move away from that dogmatic position. There are many other causal factors too but hope that this will suffice for now. This article might help for starters. Let me know what you think.

https://realnewsaustralia.com/2019/02/27/the-real-history-of-polio-20-things-you-didnt-know/

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 15, 2020 11:17 PM
Reply to  Tony

Holy fuck! The mind simply boggles. I thought waking up to 9/11 was a big one … but, in the scheme of things, not so big really and there’s so much more hoaxery … only to be expected, of course.

OK, so what about smallpox, the first vaccinated-against disease I believe? Is that a con too? If genuine and suffering cowpox prevented it, it would seem to be that a vaccination against smallpox based on cowpox would be pretty benign but perhaps you know better? I won’t keep asking about every virus, I can do my own research but if you’ll answer on smallpox I’d be grateful.

Tony
Tony
Mar 16, 2020 5:03 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Hi Petra, hope this helps:

In the late 18th century, Edward Jenner developed the practice of using raw pus from cows referred to as ‘cowpox’ to innoculate people against smallpox – harmless viruses were not discovered until 1892.

Jenner then took pox pustular lymph from the pock of an inoculated human and rub it into the arm of the next human recipient. Although many other diseases from the vaccinated were spread by arm-to-arm vaccination, this method was used for about 100 years until it was outlawed in 1898.

Jenner and the medical community ignored abundant evidence that the vaccine was ineffective and caused harm. In the 1844 smallpox epidemic, about one-third of those who had been vaccinated contracted a mild form of smallpox, and nearly two-thirds a severe form, and roughly 8% of those vaccinated died. Deaths resulting from vaccination were often not reported because of allegiance to the practice of vaccination. Also, death and other adverse effects from cowpox vaccination were very common and often resulted from a disease called erysipelas. Lymph-derived vaccine could also transmit hepatitis, tuberculosis and syphilis.

Vaccine contamination was not addressed in the 19th century. A 1915 investigation showed that vaccines were contaminated with foot-and-mouth disease and had probably been responsible for several outbreaks of that disease.

Today if we consider smallpox caused by an alleged ‘smallpox virus’ and the vaccine that’s supposed to have eradicated it, even the CDC admits that the smallpox vaccine allegedly containing the ‘vaccinia virus’ has never been proven to cause even a mild dose of ‘smallpox’ (which almost all medical and non-medical authorities on vaccination agree that vaccines are designed to cause a mild case of the diseases they are supposed to prevent). But it might cause a dose of something else. Why is that?

Firstly have a look at what’s in the vaccine, and it is definitely NOT what is alleged to be VARIOLA – the smallpox virus itself. According to the CDC website:

•The smallpox vaccine currently available in the United States (Dryvax, produced by Wyeth) is a live-virus preparation[s] of infectious vaccinia virus. Smallpox vaccine does not contain smallpox (variola) virus. •The current vaccine was prepared in the early 1980s from calf lymph with a seed virus derived from the NYCDOH strain of vaccinia virus. The vaccine is provided as a lyophylized (freeze-dried) powder in a 100-dose vial, and contains the antibiotics polymyxin B, streptomycin, tetracycline and neomycin. The diluent used to reconstitute the vaccine is 50 percent glycerin and a small amount of phenol [carbolic acid is a neurotoxin] as a preservative.

The vaccines don’t contain the smallpox virus (variola) because they have never isolated it and sequenced its genome to prove that it is infectious and is the sole cause of smallpox. To determine the real causes of smallpox you need to determine the causal factors in each case other than blaming a virus as the single cause, and whose existence has never been effectively established by science to date.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 16, 2020 9:48 PM
Reply to  Tony

Oh my goodness. So why is it that smallpox seems to be eradicated?

Tony
Tony
Mar 17, 2020 10:46 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Hi Petra,

Here’s the simple answer given by DR S. Humphreys:

There are numerous reputable sources that clearly demonstrate how improved living conditions, more nutritious food, better obstetric care, and other non-vaccine elements were responsible for the decline in infectious disease death rates. Despite this clear evidence, today’s vaccine proponents continuously and falsely claim that vaccines are the principal reason for the increase in life expectancy we enjoy today. (Dissolving Illusions, Dr Suzanne Humphreys, p. 57)

In the United States for example, starting from 1900, the measles mortality rate had declined by more than 98% before the introduction of a vaccine, and whooping cough mortality had declined by more than 90% and diphtheria mortality by 98% before the DTP (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis) vaccine was introduced.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 11, 2020 12:07 AM

Goodness me!

Right-wing pastor Andrew Wommack had to cancel an event because some attendees might not have strong enough faith to protect themselves from the coronavirus and if they spread the disease, he’d get blamed.

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1237426686536437761

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Mar 10, 2020 1:23 AM

every time I see those assumed illustrations of this Corona (Sun) Virus….I’m reminded of the tens of billions of professed planets drifting around the universe – so even if I felt this latest trip was ritually pure – there’s still no way on Earth I could take it for the critical adventure…it’s said to be.

paul_m
paul_m
Mar 9, 2020 10:18 PM

thanks petra. still nothing from the uk as far as i know

Nikos
Nikos
Mar 9, 2020 7:26 PM

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 10, 2020 7:57 PM
Reply to  Nikos

If you are saying that global economic terrorists should be able to use virus scares to loot the economy repeatedly because ‘it is better to be paranoid than not’, then the world will be full of serfs very soon.

This event has been flagged up for a few years and the outcomes emerging from it have been too.

They involve huge losses of freedom for the majority and yet again the hyper rich will be bailed out by the poor.

It is not possible to separate out CoVid19 from global economics. The two are irrevocably intertwined.

Nikos
Nikos
Mar 11, 2020 5:12 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

4300 deaths so far, not an economic issue Mr.

paul_m
paul_m
Mar 9, 2020 3:57 PM

petra,
a friend of mine,a boy soldier,was sent with his regiment, to the south pacific(christmas island)after ww11 so that the powers that be could see the effect of radioactivity on the body of a squaddie.
they were lined up and told to put their hands over their eyes when ordered to by a sergeant. my friend followed the order when it was given. the “supposed weapon” was activated and he saw the bones in his hands.
returning to the uk he subsequently married and had two children.the teeth of both children crumbled and they were left toothless, before becoming teenagers,without any sign of disease.coming from a farming community in the north of england,neither side of the family had a history of dental abnormality.
make of that what you will.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 9, 2020 9:36 PM
Reply to  paul_m

Paul, There is no “fakery” answer to your friend seeing the bones in his hands. I feel for his children (and no doubt their children will suffer issues too). All I can say is that there is evidence that nuclear bombs were not dropped in Japan and that the Bikini atoll tests were faked too. http://mileswmathis.com/bikini.pdf

It seems the tests in Christmas Island were real. It sounds as if the test your friend the British Army used your friend in was part of Operation Grapple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Grapple

Maggie
Maggie
Mar 10, 2020 1:08 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Hi Petra, thanks for those links. It would appear that we have four trolls here?

Maggie
Maggie
Mar 10, 2020 1:11 PM
Reply to  Maggie

addition: Your first link was wrong. Without a doubt the atom bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I have a book written by children and adults who were victims.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 10, 2020 1:29 PM
Reply to  Maggie

It’s a big hoax, Maggie. It astounds me the number of books and films they make about hoax events and the number of people who participate in them. The 1993 Battle of Mogadishu was staged and they got the film, Black Hawk Down, out of it. These hoaxes make heaps and heaps of money from the books and films made about them. What a great title … but all hoax and we have the soldiers allegedly involved spinning their stories.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/battle-of-mogadishu-1993.html

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 9, 2020 2:48 PM

Excellent report Edward, thank you, and I am entirely with you on this one. My search for truth always requires Occam’s Razor to be applied, and for Covid-19 this is equally true.

DON’T PANIC – Stay Calm and Carry On (as normal). At a minimum, 50% of the people have no symptoms whatever. Another 25%, at least, have mild effects akin to a bad cold. The rest are treated well and recover. It’s mainly the old, weak and infirm who actually die and would probably expire in a short time anyway.

It has all been planned to be highly infectious and persistent. Exactly what I would design if I wanted to induce short-term panic to cover for a financial crash. Never underestimate the psychopathic elite that hold the power in this world – don’t let them win this time around.

I wonder why no panic in Russia? Because they already know? “When we asked clinical infectious disease specialist Valentin Kovalev to comment on the situation surrounding coronavirus diagnoses, he expressed certainty that people infected with the new virus have in fact entered Russia. “I think the coronavirus infection got to us from China a long time ago, and a lot of people have already contracted it. However, we don’t know about those cases because most of the time, the infection feels just like any other ordinary respiratory illness, and people who are infected get better on their own. Nobody here is about to routinely check everyone who comes down with a cold at home.”
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/03/06/why-are-there-so-few-reported-covid-19-cases-in-russia

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 9, 2020 10:06 PM
Reply to  austrian peter

I’m an aficionado of Occam’s Razor too, Peter. There is no evidence of a single sufferer (only people falling flat on their faces, lying on the ground, crying hysterically, etc) so in the absence of evidence of a genuine sufferer Occam’s Razor favours complete hoax and lying statistics – either statistics are applied to people suffering or dying from other causes or they’re made up.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 10, 2020 1:06 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Glad at least someone else is thinking straight! Cheers Petra.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 2:30 AM
Reply to  austrian peter

“My search for truth always requires Occam’s Razor to be applied, and for Covid-19 this is equally true.”

OK. So provide a precise formulation of your COVID-19 meanderings in terms of the correct application of Occam’s razor.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 13, 2020 4:41 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

In March 2013 the Cyprus bank crisis turned out to be a test run for the ‘Bail-in’ process to protect banks during a future bank run. It had been modelled earlier. My book starts with the Cyprus event.
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/03/07/the-financial-jigsaw-issue-no-94/

This time we have Event 201 in October 2019 and a release of the exact same postulated virus in November 2019 – coincidence? I think not.
https://www.hopkins-cepar.org/on-alert/two-different-drills-with-two-different-goals

We know that the central banks know that the global economy was due to crash – all they needed was cover – follow the money.

The WHO was resisting calling a ‘pandemic’ – I wonder why? Is it because there are a great deal of the World Bank’s ‘pandemic’ bonds due July resting on it? – Follow the money:
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/feb/28/world-banks-500m-coronavirus-push-too-late-for-poor-countries-experts-say

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 2:21 PM
Reply to  austrian peter

“This time we have Event 201 in October 2019 and a release of the exact same postulated virus in November 2019 – coincidence? I think not.
https://www.hopkins-cepar.org/on-alert/two-different-drills-with-two-different-goals

Thanks for the reply. I haven’t read your book, apart from an initial glance just now, so I stand to be corrected, but from your response hereabove and other postings in this forum I’d say that, in its epistemological connotation, you’re as much an aficionado of Occam’s razor as is your new soulmate Petra, in that neither of you has a fucking clue as to what the hell, in either the traditional ‘logic’ sense deployed by Ockham or in the more modern but closely analogous, ‘scientific’ sense of some of his current successors, his ‘razor’ is either for or about. I don’t think it’s fair to label an uncompounded ignorance behind fatuous claims as “false advertising” when it’s actually just uncompounded ignorance, so I won’t.

Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Mar 9, 2020 2:35 PM

The latest Modi coronavirus mania making move is to put a _very long_ recording of how to “tackle coronavirus” when you call someone. Only after you’re forced to listen to someone coughing and then the interminable lecture (for almost a minute) will the other phone start ringing. Assuming that by then you haven’t hung up in disgust and messaged instead, of course.

binra
binra
Mar 9, 2020 12:15 PM

Very well said Edward Curtin.
Fear CAN call forth a deeper self-honesty and alignment in being.

I would expand ‘fear of death’ to fear of pain of loss.
This hasn’t the same dramatic ring to it, but consider fear of utter humiliation, rejection, exclusion and isolation; fear of denial and deprivation of needs; fear of impotence and helplessness relative to the inflicting of pain and death on those you love and upon yourself.

Death can thus offer ‘salvation’ or escape from such pain – and in a sense is often accepted in such terms when life becomes too much of the above to bear. Because we can unfold the experience of our fear in a ‘care home’ or a diminished life that has become a terrible isolation or meaninglessness – with or without the manipulative leverage of the FEAR of the above as inducing belief in it as our impending reality, and thus reacting ‘self-protectively’ along the lines of a contrived agenda.

Fear itself – regardless to what it attaches or associates is thus the toxic debt or conflict that an ingenuity of mind seeks to hide from – and yet hides IN, as the masking or repackaging of a sense of self-defence that escapes fear by flagging it AWAY. Casting it out to the evils of ‘others’, world and a sense of love and life rendered treacherous and unworthy – and thus to be controlled, replicated and replaced as a ‘new order’ that runs as the management of life as fear-conflict-threat-pain-loss.

What then at root is fear – BEFORE it is flagged to ‘outside agents, forces, inheritance or pathogens?

… Continued at:

https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/03/fear-can-call-forth-deeper-self-honesty.html

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 9, 2020 2:55 PM
Reply to  binra

Excellent Binra thank you. When I was completing my diploma for counselling in 1997 I came across a small book which I have used extensively and effectively with my clients. It uses twelve steps for personal transformation and deals with “Love is Letting go of Fear”:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Love-Letting-Fear-Gerald-Jampolsky/dp/1587611961

Binra
Binra
Mar 9, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  austrian peter

You are welcome austrian peter.

Thankyou for your willingness to share in sharing the appreciation of true worth in a world so given to disinformation. Without a true foundation – is nothing that will stand.

I live and walk in Companionship with the source material that inspired Gerry to make a ‘more accessible’ rendering of its core teachings and the ‘attitudinal healing’ movement.

Until fear is recognised as fear, it will seem to be something else – such as all the means by which to cover it over, hide it, hide from it or seem to have it.

That we can cover our hearts with layers and levels of deceit and diversion is from an initial impulse to DO from what we took to be love at that time and met dissonance, resistance and opposition in a chaos such as to call for the defence of a love denied, deprived or abandoned and betrayed. Fear became our protection from areas of self experience that were at that time unresolvable or irreconcilable.

No one willingly releases their protection – and so they seek love in the image of themselves protected or empowered.

Letting go of fear, love Is.
But no one can release what they are not the owner of.
While we WANT the cause flagged or projected OUT onto the ‘other’ or our past or to ‘conditions’ we get a mitigated sense of temporary and conditional relief in exchange for the true power of decision – and give it to whatever seems to ‘work’ in our particular pattern of addiction. Where addiction is the driven compulsion to evade facing what is actually troubling us – and can be anything or any pattern of thing.

Because practical spirituality of awakened and aligned purpose – can be virtue signalled, dressed up in and made a self-masking ‘identity’ of – its underlying insights are thrown out with the dirty bathwater.
This is also when we seek to share what we have not really allowed to penetrate and register with us – in attempt to validate or vindicate a ‘self lack’ by teaching what we think is a matter of information rather that relational willingness for the heart of listening.
This then makes a wishful ‘love’ that has no healing and aligning power and can operate as an intensity of good intentions – but again covering a sense of self-lack.

The practical result is the fruits by which we recognise a true alignment, and release the driven need to support an off centred attempt to impose balance on the whole – as if set apart and seeking control, instead of yielding to the movement of our being as the wholeness in which we are already truly identified by the extension of wholeness instead of a filtering and blocking distortion – such as the disinformation theme in this article.

The persistent development of the mind as lack of love, in wishful forms of controls and protections set to escape or overcome conflict, brings us at last to recognise that without love is nothing. Because a word can be misused, taken in vain or mocked does not at all affect the truth. But it does affect the mind of the intent to do so. Until we change our mind (about our mind).

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 2:36 AM
Reply to  austrian peter

“When I was completing my diploma for counselling in 1997…”

Got it. You’re one of the papier-mâché template brigade, right?

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 9, 2020 10:36 AM

More disinfo from the house rag of globalism:

“The German government has decided on a raft of measures to soften the blow of the coronavirus on Europe’s largest economy, as the number taken ill rose to 1,112 on Monday, reports the Guardian’s Berlin correspondent, Kate Connolly.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/09/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-italy-lockdown-quarantine-uk-usa-america-australia-recession-fears-update-latest-news

No. 1112 people have not been taken ill. A particular virus has allegedly been discovered in 1112 people.

‘Taken ill’ implies symptoms at the very least.

Sheesh!

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 9, 2020 10:17 AM

Technology is of value only insofar as it helps us humans to live more fulfilling lives. In nutrition we are familiar with U-shaped curves whereby the optimal amount is somewhere in the middle, with an increase or a decrease bringing disadvantages. I think something similar operates with regard to technology, which although applied in the past to relieve us of a large amount of drudgery, is now being used purely for ist own sake – a kind of fetishism, for the the sake of profits and for the control which it gives the rulers over the ruled.

Technology increasingly frustrates the achievement of fulfilling lives and distances us from each other and the real world. It creates a ‘virtual reality’, within which psyops such as the present one can be more easily carried out.

Willem
Willem
Mar 9, 2020 6:56 AM

How a black swan is created and why ‘the interventions’ make no sense at all (unless you want to create a black swan)

https://thegreatrecession.info/blog/pandemic-pandemania-causes-global-economic-crisis/

In short:
1. The death rate of COVID 19 is inflated as it concerns a biased sample of admitted/symptomatic patients
2. You cannot test for COVID 19 positivity. If you do, you get false positives that may be related with opportunistic infections, like common cold or pneumonia, and that is all.
3. Interventions (like closing down universities or companies) are made by non-experts who are more concerned about prudence or liability than they have any background into biology or epidemiology

This thing is a hoax, and it will kill the elderly but not through the virus, but through the (upcoming) austerity measures like cutting pensions as the stock markets imploded ‘because’ of COVID 19.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 9, 2020 7:03 AM
Reply to  Willem

Right on, Willem … except I think loads of people are probably in on this and the interventions are actually done with full knowledge that the alleged pandemic is just an exercise.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 9, 2020 2:58 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

It was an exercise: check out Event 201

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 9, 2020 10:25 PM
Reply to  austrian peter

Yep, glad we’re on the same page, Peter.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 2:39 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“Yep, glad we’re on the same page, Peter.”

So they lock you up together and it’ll all be singing in harmony thereafter?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 9, 2020 9:05 AM
Reply to  Willem

What interest would the Chinese government have in helping its NATO enemies perpetrate a hoax on this scale?

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 9, 2020 9:46 AM
Reply to  milosevic

If the hoax is necessary to reconfigure the world financial and monetary system – a change from which China will benefit.

The hoax would be necessary in the West because the coming changes will result in hyperinflation in Europe and the US, with the concomittant destruction of pensions and savings and reduction of other incomes. The psyop would allow the infrastructure of control to be put into place in order to contain the necessary disorder – quarantines, martial law etc.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 9, 2020 9:51 AM
Reply to  clickkid

My current position is still however that the attacks on China and Iran were real, but that we are witnessing a psyop in the West.

However, it is still in China’s interest to cooperate with the psyop.

I noted with interest that in a speech several weeks ago, Predsident Xi said that China would emerge more prosperous from the crisis.

Remember, China is still effectively ‘on strike’ – and in going ‘on strike’ is contributing to the monetary paradigm shift.

China/Russia vs the West. On some levels competing, on others cooperating.

Henriette
Henriette
Mar 9, 2020 7:07 PM
Reply to  clickkid

I concur with your opinion. On march 8th on tass.com chinese scientists published the autopsy report of Covid19 patients . They mention significant shrinkage of spleen. The spleen is a very resilient organ whose function related to blood cleansing.
Anthrax Bacteria damages the spleen for example .
China had no chance of saying the truth the western press would have annihilated them and there has to be also great care taken with reaction of the chinese citizens

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 1:06 AM
Reply to  clickkid

I rather think that it is, plainly, a bio-warfare attack on China and Iran, but appears to have gotten out of control in the West. Perhaps the targeting of East Asians through the ACE-2 receptors was not perfected, or there was some mutation at some time into diverse populations. In any case the Western Empire is freaking out that China has got this near or well under control, and the hate-mills of racist Sinophobic agit-prop are grinding away with fury. Why, the BBC even dredged the very bottom of their sewer to regurgitate the execrable Matt Frei, who got right down to the most vile Sinophobic hate propaganda, targeting the WHO, for praising China’s efforts, as well, like some FoxNews reject. But, is there really any real differences between the BBC and FoxNews?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 9, 2020 2:05 PM
Reply to  clickkid

If the hoax is necessary to reconfigure the world financial and monetary system – a change from which China will benefit.

— in that case, what reason would the NATO-zone governments have for helping their Chinese enemy perpetrate a hoax which would hurt their own interests?

China and the Empire can’t simultaneously be collaborators and enemies with respect to the same issue. It has to be one or the other.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 9, 2020 3:10 PM
Reply to  milosevic

The power elite have no national interests; they are out for total global control regardless of country of origin. However, Putin is not playing the game at present, for his own reasons, as Russia is in a very strong financial and economic position. He has single-handedly crashed the oil price and left MBS swinging in the wind whilst the Fed have nowhere to go but down after a decade of Mal-investment.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 9, 2020 8:09 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Each player in this simply plays that card or cards, which at any particular time appears to have the best chance of maximizing present and future power. Power being the only issue. Sometimes this involves conflict, sometimes compromise, and sometimes cooperation.

In this situation the order of play could have looked something like this:

2013 to 2014:

China ceases accumulation of US government bonds, announces Belt and Road.

2015 to 2016

US pushes back – tries to dissuade allies and others from joining China’s projects.

2016 to 2019

A new faction – based around the Pentagon rather than the CIA – takes power in Washington. This faction sees the key to the maintenance of US hegemony in turning up the pressure on China.

Increasing economic pressure on China is coupled with a massive ratcheting up in propaganda.Plans for military action (bio weapon) are put into place.

September 2019

Repo market breaks in US. Monetization of the budget deficit (itself increasing) goes up several notches. End of the dollar’s reserve status comes several steps closer.

October/November 2019

US intelligence agencies become aware of a Chinese plan to issue a gold-backed cryptocurrency within the next 6 to 8 months – as mentioned by Max Keiser on RT in November.

November to January 2020

US realizes time is short. Maximum pressure needed on the Chinese economy – either to bend her to the will of the US or to at least weaken China as much as possible.

Military action goes live in Wuhan

January to March 2020

China realizes of course that she has been attacked. Realizes that her Daoist strategy of rolling with America’s punches has now reached its limit. Goes ‘on strike’ in order to deal with the attack and – as the workshop of the world – to ‘call time’ on the current US-dominated monetary and economic arrangements. Demand shock ripples out. Supply chains break.

February 2020 –

NATO executes Covid-19 psyop. Surprised and frustrated by China’s success in getting the epidemic under control, NATO first attacks Iran and then sets about building the infrasructure of control, which will be needed to deal with civil unrest as China and others institute a new monetary paradigm. The ensuing depression to be blamed on ‘the virus’.

Let’s see what happens next. None of us can know with certainty what is really going on, but my sketch does seem plausible to me.

By the way I don’t think any of these power blocks are as monolithic as we tend to think they are. Rather it is fractal, with different factions, organizations and sub-groups all having their own agendas, and often involved in shifting coalitions with and against each other. Nevertheless, there are broad themes and lasting trends at the top macro level.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Mar 10, 2020 12:38 AM
Reply to  clickkid

If you want to clearly see the dying empire struggling with the emerging empire you need to go back at least a little further in time! Back to the millennium at least.

The SCO was just setup and China and Russia set a plan to resist the Anglo Imperialist once and for all.
Within a year of getting serious 9/11 happened! The old empire set its sights on the ME to grab a victory march on the usurpers.

20 years later without being able to go to a boots on the ground and body bags and having lost with their proxy armies – they still want their regular payday. A wartime economy without being able to go to war.

That is the geo-politics of what we are witnessing now.

We arr in a war and it has become wholly economic now. The Dollar as a Reserve Currency may not survive.
——–

The new flu spreading now will take a few seasons before it achieves the same status that we have with our current strains and herd immunity rises. In the meantime without resorting to full blown socialist public management of the situation we instead have a short sharp shock!
Instead of the managed chinese one! We ate in the exponential phase now and the inflexion is not due for a month at the moment, before peaking around the end of April into May by which time there may be enough isolation beds and blood oxygenating machines around so we don’t have to intubate the thousands of serious cases.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 1:12 AM
Reply to  clickkid

Well, click, I reckon that might just be a very close approximation to the truth of it. The Real Evil Empire was never going to allow China to surpass it, and their increasingly desperate measures were always at risk of producing ‘blowback’ of considerable intensity, and it looks awfully like that has happened. Poor war-gaming, perhaps, but it certainly makes war that much more likely.

Mucho
Mucho
Mar 9, 2020 7:43 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Milo I nearly answered this question the other day, when you asked why Iran, China and Russia would participate in a co-ordinated hoax? Brendon O Connell has gone to great lengths to show that these exact countries, as well as a few others, do indeed work together. As Brendon says, to get to the truth, you’ve got to go five layers deep. Nothing is what it seems. What they show you in the media is not reality, it’s a rolling show. All the world’s a stage. I laughed when you mentioned those three as a combination

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 11, 2020 2:51 AM
Reply to  Mucho

why Iran, China and Russia would participate in a co-ordinated hoax

That’s not what I asked. It’s not a secret that those countries have a de-facto alliance; it’s called the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

The question is why any one of them, or all three together, would participate in a hoax intended to further the interests of their mutual enemy, the anglo-zionist empire.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 12:55 AM
Reply to  milosevic

You gotta BELIEVE, Milo. Everything is a fake. Don’t you get it?

Mucho
Mucho
Mar 10, 2020 3:06 PM

He asked the question, and it turns out a link between the exact nations he highlighted has been established by a very talented researcher. It proves nothing, but the link is there. If you are an Aussie, Richard, you might be interested in Brendon as he is an Aussie as well. His stuff is all on YT.
As clickkid points out, this could be a more complex scenario than we appreciate. 20,000+ US troops have recently landed in Poland for a training exercise called “Defender Europe 2020”. involving multiple nations, which is quite scary. These are to be the biggest “training exercises” ever. Frightening
We know about training exercises popping up at just the right time when shit really starts kicking off, which it already has, to an extent, especially if you are Italian. This is potentially a big manoeuvre by the controllers to tighten their grip, that’s what it’s all starting to look like, plus all the benefits to be had from cashing in on an engineered crisis. Instigating big change through crisis.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=20000+troops+poland

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 9, 2020 3:02 PM
Reply to  Willem

Agreed, bang on – it is a hoax – see my above comment. I hope more people begin to understand this and the silliness will eventually moderate. Tulips and South Sea Bubbles come to mind. The herd will always panic first and then run off the cliff.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 9, 2020 3:54 AM

8 Mar 2020

Coming up on Episode 38 – #MOATS

– Coronavirus crackdown. Should we really self-isolate?
– Syria. We go live to Beirut
– Israeli Election. Gideon Levy is live
– Plus your calls, and who’s on the Wall Of Shame this week?

All coming up on this week’s incredible show.

paul
paul
Mar 9, 2020 12:05 AM

I went to church today, but it was closed down, locked up like Fort Knox.
This has never happened before. Even during WW2 churches stayed open.

16 million are quarantined in Italy now, nearly 400 dead.

Whatever the origins of this virus, however much it may have been hyped or otherwise, whatever you think of the official response, this is going to have an unprecedented effect on the global economy and the everyday lives of ordinary people, rightly or wrongly.

There is tremendous scope for significant disorder, instability and political unrest, and social breakdown.

Step by step, and day by day, the impact will increase. At the moment we are like a frog in a pan of boiling water. In a few weeks time, we will look back and realise how much things have changed.

I would put just a few questions to people who question this.
How confident are you in the general competence of people like Johnson and Trump/ Pence to respond to the situation?
What happens when the virus spreads to places like Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Gaza and similar places, where millions of people are struggling to survive in wartime conditions, hungry, homeless, without water or electricity, already weakened by outbreaks of illnesses like cholera, where writ of the state does not run, and medical services vary from very poor to non existent?
Or the refugee camps on Lesbos? Or the tent cities of illegal immigrants in Paris and other cities? Or the half million homeless in the US, living on the street amid human sewage and dirty needles?

Somehow I don’t think this is going to end well.

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Mar 9, 2020 4:36 AM
Reply to  paul

Did the mosques stay open? People are in very close contact there……. purpose?

I think this virus is more serious, but maybe only because I am older and in my household we are a lot more susceptible than last year. We often bemoaned overpopulation – now it’s addressing itself.

paul
paul
Mar 9, 2020 8:37 PM
Reply to  Wilmers31

They’ve cancelled the Haj.

austrian peter
austrian peter
Mar 9, 2020 3:14 PM
Reply to  paul

Somehow, I think you are right Paul. Google: The Fourth Turning; it will explain much about what is happening now but not how it might end. For this you will need the Bible.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Mar 8, 2020 11:38 PM

like having a door opened for you – then stepping over the theshold just enough to sense the atmosphere within – evaluating whether to continue on….leave, or close it to a crack, give it ear….to giggle glower wince and squinch at its prepostery – any which way – its all a same feeble derangement….a stage for punchinello.

NO FEAR.

” I have of late – but wherefore I know not—lost all my mirth, forgone all custom of exercises, and indeed it goes so heavily with my disposition that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory; this most excellent canopy, the air—look you, this brave o’erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire—why, it appears nothing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapors. What a piece of work is a man! How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty! ….how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god! The beauty of the world. The paragon of animals.
And yet, to me, what is this quintessence of dust?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 1:14 AM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

‘A tale told by an idiot..’, of course.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 8, 2020 11:33 PM

I’m afraid you’re missing a couple of hoaxes in your article, Edward.

Anthrax
Anthrax is a complete hoax – seriously, what a hoax is that. Unbelievable.
The evidence given for the alleged post-9/11 anthrax attacks is truly laughable.

What they do is push out Story A for the non-questioners and Story B (often a false flag) for the skeptics and non-believers … all along though it’s Story C – an exercise pushed out as real where death and injury are staged. They did it for 9/11, the anthrax attacks, the 1980 Bologna station bombing and Pearl Harbour among others.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/anthrax-attacks-after-911.html

Nuclear weapons
Nuclear weapons are also a hoax. I need to write a post on these but I haven’t got round to it.
Review of the book, Death Object: Exploding the Nuclear Weapons Hoax below:
https://www.amazon.com/Death-Object-Exploding-Nuclear-Weapons-ebook/dp/B071NGKY17

Of the 17 reviews almost all are 5 star and the 1 star review has no credibility.

Review
I was merely expecting a book with eye-witness testimony from Japanese that contradicted the official story that nukes are real. The book includes that, but so much more. The book did numerous scientific analysis of the various first nuke tests and actual alleged nuke explosions in Japan. Any engineer who is familiar with the engineering design to test to deployment cycle from experience will at the very least, suspect something is very fishy with the reality of nukes ever existing. I have no doubt that attempts to create nukes occurred. But at some point late in WWII, it was determined that a chain reaction fast enough to make an actual nuke explosion was not possible. But to end the war, the psy op of nukes was still used. The book’s scope was mainly limited to the first nukes and first hydrogen bombs, so it does not speculate beyond why Japan would go also with the nuke charade. Japan found the charade to be an adequate excuse to surrender to the USA (to save face among their own proud people), even though apparently the real reason they surrendered was due to the Soviet Union declaration of war against Japan after the alleged nuking. The implications of this book are far beyond what I can imagine, and thus make this a must read for anyone willing to go beyond standard storytelling on the matter.

Nuclear leaker/scientists
If you read the article in Wikipedia for the alleged leaker of Israeli nuclear secrets, Mordechai Vanunu, and that for the alleged “assassinations” of Iranian nuclear physicists, Masoud Alimohammadi, Majid Shahriari, Darioush Rezaeinejad and Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, they’re obviously bogus too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostafa_Ahmadi_Roshan

Coronavirus and all the other viruses you mention
There is zero evidence of a virus at all. As commenter Tony says in answer to Willem’s question on another OffG CV article:

Q: What is the gold standard if it isn’t antibody testing, PCR or clinical diagnosis?

A: The ‘gold standard’ is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not PCR or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such).

This will never happen (short of a miracle!) because of the various constraints imposed on mainstream virologists and microbiologists. So yes, no isolated virus = no gold standard of comparison for any genetic material found, therefore no coronavirus and no COVID-19 per se apart from opportunistic infections that are common and pneumonia grouped under that acronym to ‘fit the frame’.

You can debate this issue till the cows come home but only concrete scientific proof of this virus and proof of its ability to cause disease with proper controls, will determine the truth of the matter leaving aside all of the other possible issues discussed on this thread including, Psyops, false flag, as a silent weapon to see how the population will react for even worse things to come, and all the other ifs, and buts and whys and wherefores.

There are other numerous anomalies in the Coronavirus story in which we see not a single example of a genuine sufferer but many examples of fakery which strongly indicate it is simply a pandemic live exercise, following Event 201, a pandemic tabletop exercise, held last year.
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

For a number of anomalies from various angles see:
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Mar 9, 2020 4:39 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

wikipedia is a problem. They are so system-conform that you could think the system is funding them. I have stopped correcting.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 9, 2020 5:08 AM
Reply to  Wilmers31

Sure, Wilmers, however, it’s great for psyops because, for whatever reason, the clues to their psyops are almost always present in the entries. I suggest you read the pages of the links above and, if you like, come back and comment on whether you think the psyop is revealed.

In the recent OffG article on Wikipedia, intelligence agency personnel are mentioned as being responsible for the content after all.

Whenever I suspect a psyop, my first port of call is Wikipedia. I find that I scan the page, my mind tending to be rather skeptical of the information, when bingo! the CIA (or whichever intelligence agency) jumps out at me like an evil jack-in-the-box and I burst out laughing at the nonsense before me. I have to say it is a little embarrassing finding the nonsense put out by intelligence agencies amusing but I cannot deny it.

The last one I looked at was Dr David Kelly, who allegedly died by suicide (although some suspect murder). I think he was sheepdipped myself (given a new identity and shipped off somewhere) and that all the WMD (chemical weapons and bioweaponry) finger-pointing is staged … not to mention the weapons themselves.

What made me burst out laughing in Dr David Kelly’s case was this:

As far as it known, Kelly walked a mile (1.6 km) from his house to Harrowdown Hill. It appears he ingested up to 29 tablets of co-proxamol, an analgesic drug, then cut his left wrist, severing his ulnar artery, with a pruning knife he had owned since his youth.[4][134][135]

I think it works better when you read the whole entry rather than simply look at the nonsense snippet – a bit similar to hearing the entirety of the joke rather than just the punchline. One must give them that they do make their hoaxery entertaining up to a point. A lot of it is simply nauseating … but then there are the odd utterly hilarious nuggets.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 9, 2020 8:52 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 9, 2020 9:59 AM
Reply to  milosevic

And? How we know what the explosions represent?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 9, 2020 2:14 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

— because you can’t possibly produce explosions of that magnitude with conventional explosives. The fireball is four miles across. The bomb crater is over a mile across; you can see it here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@11.6979074,165.2709296,5935a,35y,341.06h/data=!3m1!1e3

Koln
Koln
Mar 9, 2020 8:19 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Bikini Atoll is not a crater from a nuclear explosion you dumbass

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 10, 2020 3:40 AM
Reply to  Koln

— Bikini Atoll is about 25 miles across, so that can’t possibly be what I was referring to when I said “the bomb crater is over a mile across”, you dumbass.

quoting from the dreaded Wikipedia:

Castle Bravo was the first in a series of high-yield thermonuclear weapon design tests conducted by the United States at Bikini Atoll, Marshall Islands, as part of Operation Castle. Detonated on March 1, 1954, the device was the most powerful nuclear device detonated by the United States and its first lithium deuteride fueled thermonuclear weapon. Castle Bravo’s yield was 15 megatons of TNT, 2.5 times the predicted 6.0 megatons, due to unforeseen additional reactions involving 7Li, which led to the unexpected radioactive contamination of areas to the east of Bikini Atoll. At the time, it was the most powerful artificial explosion in history.

The Bravo Crater is located at 11°41′50″N 165°16′19″E.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bravo

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 9, 2020 9:15 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Milo, Miles Mathis analyses the fakery here: http://mileswmathis.com/bikini.pdf

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 10, 2020 4:43 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

pretty good special effects for 1946, wouldn’t you say?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 10, 2020 5:41 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Lots of things wrong with the Bikini story, milo. Can you address them all?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 10, 2020 6:54 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I’m not aware of anything that’s wrong with the story, except perhaps the alleged “accident” of it being three times more powerful than expected.

That document is based on the same kind of absurd misunderstandings as all the rest of the fake evidence you always refer to. Most of them are effectively refuted in the video above.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 10, 2020 7:04 AM
Reply to  milosevic

I’m not discussing it anymore milo. My claims are about Japan, Vanunu and the Iranian nuclear physicists not the testing of the Hydrogen bomb in the Bikini atoll – I’m not going to research that at the moment. Who knows – perhaps it really happened.

Of course, you’ll let me know when you have 10 points against the four plane crashes on 9/11 being faked when you have them, won’t you, Milo, so you can claim your $5,000.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/four-faked-plane-crashes.html

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 10, 2020 7:47 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

no, I don’t want to waste any more of my time, refuting your absurd disinfo.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 8:28 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Everything petra ‘investigates’ turns out to be ‘fake’. God help us if she gets onto the Big Bang.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 10, 2020 10:12 AM

There are an awful lot of people, Richard, who recognise no planes on 9/11 not just me – even a friend who has zero interest says a plane wouldn’t melt into a building like that. Just in the thumbnail we can see that what is allegedly flying into the building is a “plane object” not a plane.

You see far greater definition in this real 767 than in the one allegedly flying into the building.

Milo just puts up one video or another. I’ve put forward 10 points (actually more) for the plane crashes and offer $5,000 for 10 points favouring four plane crashes weren’t faked – he doesn’t have to show all four weren’t faked, just the one will do but he doesn’t do that – wouldn’t you think he’d get so much satisfaction demanding $5,000 from me (even if he didn’t expect to get it) but no he doesn’t do the work required which you’d think would be so little as he’s so utterly sure a plane crashed into the South tower.

From a number of perspectives: record of planes taking off, crash physics, plane popping out the other side (now that really is a good one, no?), lack of wreckage, different angles of Flight 175’s approach, alleged lack of flying skills, lack of interception, problems with phone calls, lack of evidence for hijackers boarding planes and making changes to transponders, problem with black boxes there is overwhelming evidence for no planes. I mean, seriously, it’s a complete joke.

I shall say no more on the subject on planes on this thread and try to avoid 9/11 completely unless there is good reason to engage.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 10, 2020 2:01 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

ROTFLMAO!

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 11, 2020 3:10 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

You see far greater definition in this real 767 than in the one allegedly flying into the building.

this is the root of the problem: you’re an ignoramus.

one digital video has higher resolution than another — well that just proves it. everything is fake.

it couldn’t possibly be that a video from 2016 was filmed with a higher-resolution camera than one from 2001, where the camera was probably analog, and the video was later digitized.

no, that can’t be right. everything is fake; it’s the only possible explanation.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 11, 2020 3:22 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Just to let you know, milo, (I know I’ve said it before), I’m not going to engage with you any more on the planes. Of course, if you wish to respond to my $5,000 Occam’s Razor challenge with 10 points favouring the hypothesis that not all four plane crashes were faked on 9/11 and get an aircraft accident investigator to validate those 10 points (and even there I’m open to discussing challenge rules), of course, I’m willing to engage – but otherwise it’s just a waste of time, isn’t it?

Put your money (in fact, you don’t even have to put your money as I have done) where your mouth is, milo, otherwise you may as well just breathe hot air.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/four-faked-plane-crashes.html

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 11, 2020 4:18 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Methinks you don’t understand the principle of Occam’s Razor and have got it upside down.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 10, 2020 2:56 PM
Reply to  milosevic

On the other hand, there is zero evidence that the Pentagon was hit by a plane – all the evidence points to it having been hit by a cruise missile painted to make it look like an American Airlines plane.

See https://www.voltairenet.org/article139203.html

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 10, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  Vierotchka
Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 10, 2020 7:50 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Couldn’t help noticing this story, milo, published on Feb 22, 2020. Doncha love the double 22 – no doubt you have no truck with Masonic numbers … but just couldn’t help noticing.
https://www.japanbullet.com/news/ex-sailor-exposed-to-bikini-nuclear-test-dies

In this story we’re told:

Masaho Ikeda died of stomach cancer in a hospital in Fujieda City in Shizuoka Prefecture on Thursday. He was 87 years old. His relatives say he had also suffered esophagus and liver cancer.

Poor man, lots of cancers there from all that radiation … but still 87’s not a bad old age to reach and he looks in pretty good shape considering.

Ikeda kept silent about his experience initially, but nearly 60 years later, he began sharing his story with younger generations.

He and other former crew members gave accounts of their experiences in a documentary by a US film director released last year.

Last February, Ikeda attended a funeral of another former crew member, Susumu Misaki, who died at the age of 92. Ikeda had said Misaki was like a brother to him.

60 years eh? Funny how the name of the film isn’t mentioned and a mate lived till 92. When you consider what is said in the Wikipedia entry below this is quite remarkable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_testing_at_Bikini_Atoll

Ninety minutes after the detonation, 23 crew members of the Japanese fishing boat the Daigo Fukuryū Maru (“Lucky Dragon No. 5”)[30] were contaminated by the snow-like irradiated debris and ash. They had no idea what the explosion was and no understanding of the debris that rained down like snow, but they all soon became ill with the effects of acute radiation sickness. One fisherman died about six months later while under doctor supervision; his cause of death was ruled a pre-existing liver cirrhosis compounded by a hepatitis C infection.[31][better source needed] The majority of medical experts believe that the crew members were infected with hepatitis C through blood transfusions during part of their Acute radiation syndrome treatment.[32]

“a pre-existing liver cirrhosis … during part of their Acute radiation syndrome treatment.”

This is an image of one of the fisherman who allegedly died a few days after the alleged exposure. Can you explain what looks like a knife poking up from the blanket over him?comment image

Not buyin’ it, milo, but you go right ahead.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 11, 2020 3:20 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

no doubt you have no truck with Masonic numbers

— it figures that you would believe in numerology.

one of the fisherman who allegedly died a few days after the alleged exposure

— mocks victims of American nuclear weapons. I guess the people who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the people of the Marshall Islands who were poisoned, were all faking it, too.

stay classy, you f***ing disinfo shill.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 1:15 AM
Reply to  milosevic

What about that other hoax, the Tsar Bomba?

Ken Kenn
Ken Kenn
Mar 8, 2020 10:43 PM

Despite all the ” looking at ” of the UK government some poorer people and even some of the lower middle class people are going to have to choose to go to work or not go to work .

Those on Benefits are going to have to ” choose ” to go and sign on or see an adviser ( on pain of Universal Credit being stopped ) yet all the UK government does is ” look at ” things.

Very simple for all people who may think they may have the virus for the government to help.

It is a right wing Tory one but hope springs eternal.

For as long as you self isolate you will be paid what you got last month last week until you are clear of the virus.

Johnson and his Weird Cabinet should all self isolate – forever.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 8, 2020 10:39 PM

So there I was in Dumfries Tesco’s talking to the check out guy and he told me a bunch of monks came in to raid the shelves for various hygiene items to defend from the new Black Death. These monks were gathering so much that the management had to limit them. So they took as much as they could and departed …apparently to the other Dumfries Tesco’s to raid there too! I remarked that this behaviour did not seem very Christian only to be told that the monks were Buddhists (presumably from the Kagyu Samye Ling Monastery).

I read that Buddhahood is a state whereby “one is said to attain a state of continuous bliss mixed with a simultaneous cognition of emptiness, the true nature of reality”. Apparently this true nature of reality isn’t completely empty. It contains the corona virus!

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 9, 2020 1:44 AM
Reply to  George Mc

If they were Buddhist monks, they most likely did this to distribute the goods to those who cannot afford them.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 9, 2020 8:09 AM
Reply to  Vierotchka

In that case I shall await their arrival at my door.

Gall
Gall
Mar 8, 2020 9:29 PM

Biowarfare is as old as the hills and has been used for centuries probably millennia either by accident or design witness the Americas. The indigenous population was almost annihilated by virgin soil epidemics by accident followed by intentional genocidal actions thus a pattern was developed by the conquering European powers to use disease as a weapon to weaken the target population followed by more conventional methods of warfare.

This is probably what is happening right now with the Chinese and the Iranians. Especially the latter since there seems to a high incidence of infection at their highest level of Government. Yet the problem is that with such an intermixing of cultures and races it is almost impossible to create a biological weapon that is only specific to a certain race without causing blowback.

One would think that these genocidal maniacs who develop these killer viruses would be aware of this factor but it seems that they are deluded by the false “science” of eugenics.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 9, 2020 7:06 AM
Reply to  Gall

Was no doubt used in the past, Gall, but in more recent times I think it’s all fearmongering and staging.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 9, 2020 9:03 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I don’t think it’s ALL ‘staging’. What speaks against the theory of there being an attack on China and Iran coupled with a psyop in the West?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 9, 2020 10:01 AM
Reply to  clickkid

There are massive anomalies in the story they tell, including many obviously fake visuals from China – people falling flat on their faces, crying hysterically, etc

What reason is there to believe an attack on China and Iran?

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 9, 2020 2:34 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I agree with the idea that there are lots of ‘fake visuals’ – prpaganda value. That doesn’t mean nothing happened.

Why the attack on China and Iran?

1. The strategy of nibbling away at the edges of Eurasia – Syria, Ukraine, Myanmar etc had reached an impasse. Maybe it was time to go for the heart – China?

2. Belt and Road fundamentally undermines the Empire, it fundamentally undermines dollar supremacy, and thus fundamentally undermines the power of the London-New York axis.

3. Propaganda preparation for the attack, building over the last several years, refounding by Bannon and Co. of the Committee on the Present Danger. The Trump admin introduced a new strategy of focusing on China and Iran instead of Russia. US elites realize there is a dwindling window of opportunity to stop China – it’s now or never. I think it’s too late. During the Obama/Brzezinski years the focus was firmly on Russia. Trump and his advisors considered China to be the weaker link. Dollar funding issues since the repo crisis began in September giving an impulse to action. US Government deficit surging.

Propaganda preparation includes stories about ‘Uighur concentration camps, harvesting of organs etc etc.

4. Turkish Nationalist tweet displayed foreknowledge of attack on 11th June 2019.

5. Wuhan Military Games – opportunity?

6. ‘Perfect timing’ – just as Chinese New Year was breaking.

7. Two-layered rollout of ‘explanations’ for the outbreak:

a) The ‘bat soup’ nonsense for the sinophobes – and those who think in
cliches.

b)The Wuhan lab story for those looking deeper.

8. China reacted as if it had had been attacked – ‘breathtaking’ – Pepe Escobar.

9. China has suffered decimation of its pigs in the last year – with apparently drones being used to spread infection. Also chicken flu. Coincidence ?

10. Iran is a country of 70 Million People. How likely is it that with several thousand infections so many cases would be among the leadership?

11. Many younger people have apparently died in China and Iran – including two 29 year old doctors in Wuhan. In Italy the average age of the dead is 81. It seems to be a very different phenomenon in China and Iran than elsewhere.

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
Mar 9, 2020 6:33 PM
Reply to  clickkid

No. 11 is my pet (unsubstantiated, of course) theory.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 9, 2020 10:22 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Unfortunately, clickkid, all I really know is fakery which can be a great limitation when it comes to such massive events as this pandemic “live exercise” so cannot comment further.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 1:21 AM
Reply to  clickkid

Spot on.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 1:20 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

You’ve obviously never worked in an Emergency Department. With or without an epidemic, people get hysterical, aggressive, and every other form of human emotional incontinence you can think of, often in combination or serially.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 10, 2020 9:56 AM

Richard, are you suggesting there are no signs of fakery in alleged sufferers? That falling flat on face, lying outside on the ground and on the floor in hospitals, crying hysterically and shaking uncontrollably are all genuine (if perhaps psychosomatic) expressions of virus sufferers. Are you seriously suggesting that?

When you say “spot on” you are agreeing that I’m no position to make a comment but not agreeing according to my claim. What I say is that I specialise in fakery – true it doesn’t mean I’m always right – I know for a fact I’m not but in many cases I know I’m right and I find it utterly incredible that I’ll point out, for example, that someone is suffering from vitiligo rather than from burns and people will try to shout me down and say no, the person is suffering from burns not the very, very obvious vitiligo.

If you seriously suggest that no fakery is apparent in sufferers of the virus then you will even be at odds with the MSM because they themselves have come out and said “fake news”. They published it but now they’re calling fake.

crank
crank
Mar 8, 2020 9:28 PM

Undeserved panic does no one any good. But neither does ill-informed complacency. It’s wrong to assuage the public by saying “only 2% will die.” People aren’t adequately grasping the national and global systemic burden wrought by this swift-moving of a disease.

I recommend this thread by Liz Specht:
https://twitter.com/LizSpecht/status/1236095180459003909

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Mar 8, 2020 4:13 PM

The marriage of science and technique gave birth to two technological “babies” innocuously named Little Boy and Fat Man. These two deformed creatures at birth were left to run wild over Nagasaki and Hiroshima. How fitting, for those teratogenic specimens to be delivered by “Mrs. Enola Gay.”

The sardonic humor of those delivering the two unexpected siblings should not be overlooked. The Boeing B-29 Superfortress bomber, Enola Gay, was named after the mother of the pilot, Colonel Paul Tibbets. On August 6, 1945 at the final stages of World War II, Tibbets, piloted the first aircraft to drop an atomic bomb. How many cigars were handed out after Enola dropped off her two grotesque freaks for a playday in Japan incinerating 225,000.

What we truly should be fearful of is the wedlock between scientific technological innovation with its unknown “final” application.

Good intentions as they say are not good enough…. The most benevolent well-intended concepts can be
seized by the immoral and the malicious. History has proven, the species Homo sapien to be quioxitic and erratic. Simply put, it’s a species capable of being benevolent and loving, but it’s also an organism quite adept at being barbaric.

This is the struggle humanity faces. Can a species possessing such a disparate nature be granted the power to determine the fate of all life. This is what we’re grappling with in the 21st Century. We’ve reached the moment in sociological evolution where the eradictic nature of humankind will be tested at its highest level. The test, is whether the species is capable of survival or whether its ordained to self-destruct…….

What’s most unfortunate, is the exclusivity of this empirical test–the sample represents an extremely limited and controlled population comprised of the most powerful, influential, and potent. Regrettably, this is the most mercurial segment of the genus Homo Sapien. This fraction is prone to unpredictable capricious mood swings.

In the final analysis, anxiety–fear of the future will remain beyond our control, if we abrogate all power
allowing “this experiment” to continue uninterrupted progressing towards a highly uncertain end.

Let me tell you a little secret–it’s been hidden by a multitude of convincing mendacious
sources– you have the power to stop it all– and reset.

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 8, 2020 5:58 PM

These days I often recall what I once heard about a belief held by Tibetan monks: That there are people among us who look human, but are not. The political soullessness on display every single day in our media bears out this belief, as does St. John’s Book of Revelation in the Bible when it talks about “the mark of the beast” – a mark on the forehead (which I take to be symbolic rather than literal) without which nobody may engage in barter or commerce…
Sound familiar? Yes, it certainly does. Most of us have a knack for “reading” the face of another human being – at least to some extent – and we are currently getting a lot of practice at polishing that skill. As usual, we must look at ourselves in the mirror too, but I reckon that “mark” is getting so obvious that it might as well emit a blinding golden light.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Mar 8, 2020 6:24 PM
Reply to  wardropper

The mark of the beast is the mark of sociopathy. These individuals seem soulless because they lack empathy. And very frequently are misanthropic. Lack of emotion can be inherited or developed. At this point, it doesn’t make a difference. However, this personality disorder always seems to rise to the top in politics and business. Don’t get me wrong, some of the most charming people you’ll ever meet are sociopaths. They know how to make everyone feel like a million bucks, especially if they want something.

The big problem is what to do now they control the entire f–king world. It’s about time for the next generation to get off their arse and begin to seriously organize and mobilize into organizations that are genuinely interested in affecting structural change.

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 8, 2020 7:13 PM

It is indeed a sad fact that lack of empathy underlies the very institutions which we “civilized” humans have created specifically to look after us.
Something is wrong with the way we select our representatives…

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 8, 2020 9:53 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Elections are rigged–the ballot box won’t affect change. The only hope is mobilized demonstrations.
I fully expect the ruling class to use COVID-19 or some other similar condition to inhibit public assembly.

nastran
nastran
Mar 8, 2020 11:12 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

Mobilised demonstration ( as common perception) would not work. Revolutions, like bolshevik’s, would not work, the grass is now conditioned and fire will not spread. Deluded by “individuality”.
Communication is almost under full control. To mobilise, next level of creativity in connection is necessary.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 1:22 AM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

Extinction Rebellion, that ‘terrorist’ group, for starters.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 10, 2020 4:08 PM

It’s the red meat they all need to become vegan. 😁

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 8, 2020 9:23 PM

Capitalism is built on compassionless, insatiable, greed and hatred of and contempt for others. A capitalist humanity must destroy itself, the process nearly consummated.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 8, 2020 10:09 PM

Oh yes, great wealth is built on insatiable greed and corruption. To amass a fortune numerous financial crimes are committed against the working-class.

That being said, it seems things haven’t gotten bad enough.
When it does the rapacious repulsives will hop on their jet and hide in a luxurious sanctuary.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 1:23 AM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

If they think New Zealand is safe once the Maori know that they have pulled the plug on humanity, they’re going to get a nassty surprise.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 10, 2020 9:17 PM

Supposedly they built underground guarded luxury dwellings ready if everything collapses. I guess, they have to hope the guards don’t to want be the owner of the dwelling.
The greatest fear of the ruling class.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 8, 2020 9:21 PM
Reply to  wardropper

A grand clue is when the dead souls laugh-it’s either a rictus of barely concealed schadenfreude at some other’s ‘comical’ misfortune, or a mask of phony amiability, calculated to hide the malice within.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 8, 2020 10:57 PM

You must be describing the commentators on MSNBC and CNN.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 1:25 AM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

Oh, yeah. Madcow has a face which gyrations reveal a truly nassty persona dwelling behind it.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 10, 2020 7:36 PM

She’s a disgusting presstitue.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 9, 2020 11:09 PM
Reply to  wardropper

The mark of the beast can also be on the wrist, I think. Entirely coincidentally, the place best suited for a microchip implant, due to ‘temperature fluctuations’ or somesuch.

Always look on the bright side of life, de dah, de dah, de dah de dah, de dah …

Willem
Willem
Mar 8, 2020 7:23 PM

Reminds me of Vonnegut’s cats cradle, where this fictional character recalls the day that his Father developed the bomb, and after the bomb destroyed a city, his son wrote down the following:

‘ After the thing went off, after it was a sure thing that America could wipe out a city with just one bomb, a scientist turned to Father and said, ‘Science has now known sin.’ And do you know what Father said? He said, ‘What is sin?’

The whole book is actually about scientists going mad, so in case you haven’t read it already, you may like it. The book serves as a good warning.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 8, 2020 9:59 PM
Reply to  Willem

Are schools still choosing poignant materials to critique. Critical thinking is an important skill that seems to be declining among the smartphone population.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 8, 2020 10:49 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

the phones became smart, so that the people could become dumb.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 8, 2020 10:59 PM
Reply to  milosevic

What happens if there’s a permanent power outage…..

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 9, 2020 1:47 AM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

People will have to learn to wash their clothes by hand and hang them to dry, to wash their dishes by hand, to rise with the sun and go to bed when the sun goes down, to walk and use bycicles to get around, to fetch water from the nearest lake or river, to make candles, etc. Not such a bad thing, in the final analysis.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 9, 2020 4:10 AM
Reply to  Vierotchka

There would be total chaos and most would die. Those that survive would settle into an early 19th Century life style–maybe.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 1:28 AM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

The early 19th century-Beethoven, Goethe, Schubert, forests, oceans full of fish, clear skies outside the dark, Satanic, cities, fresh water, stable climate, no television, radio, Internet etc-a veritable Hell on Earth.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 10, 2020 3:19 PM

In the 19th Century many died from the most minor infections spreading and poisoning their entire body. Women regularly hemmoraghed to death during childbirth.

Ninety percent of the population wouldn’t survive. There would be food riots and total chaos followed by mass slaughter. It would bring out the inner-beast in many determined to survive at all costs.

The notion of a simpler life sounds romantic, but the only people who could navigate such a situation are those living armed and completely off the grid. They will be the only survivors.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 10, 2020 5:33 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

In the 19th Century many died from the most minor infections spreading and poisoning their entire body. Women regularly hemmoraghed to death during childbirth.

If it was as bad as you think it was, we wouldn’t be over seven billion humans on earth today, we’d perhaps be a few million.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Mar 10, 2020 5:52 PM
Reply to  Vierotchka

When a culture devolves rather than evolve the outcome is always tragic.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 10, 2020 6:34 PM

Rediscovering as well as inventing new simple ways of surviving is not necessarily devolution, it often is evolution.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Mar 10, 2020 7:12 PM
Reply to  Vierotchka

That’s not the point–I’m describing what would actually unfold.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 11, 2020 12:05 AM

You’re describing what you think and imagine what would actually unfold.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Mar 11, 2020 2:16 AM
Reply to  Vierotchka

I’m describing what would occur in the US.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 11, 2020 3:56 AM

You’re describing what you imagine and believe would occur in the US.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 11, 2020 10:34 AM
Reply to  Vierotchka

I’m not a believer in magical thinking.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 11, 2020 1:27 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

Yett you have maniestly wholly integrated it and pracice it – go figure!

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 11, 2020 3:00 PM
Reply to  Vierotchka

In your opinion…. let’s move on and end this particular discussion.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 8, 2020 11:04 PM

On August 6, 1945 at the final stages of World War II, Tibbets piloted the first aircraft to drop an atomic bomb. How many cigars were handed out after Enola dropped off her two grotesque freaks for a playday in Japan incinerating 225,000.

#thingsthatneverhappened

The second atomic bombing in history occurred on August 9, 1945, when a B-29 labelled “Bockscar” dropped a plutonium implosion bomb on the city of Nagasaki.

https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/nagasaki-the-last-bomb

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 8, 2020 11:40 PM

Thank you, Charlotte. I really wondered where the name, Enola Gay, came from.

There is a very good reason those bombs were called Little Boy and Fat Man and the plane was called Enola Gay and – seriously – they would name a bomber after its pilot’s mother?

I don’t think so.

The reason for these names is that the alleged nuclear bombing of the Japanese cities is a hoax. Of course, there was bombing and great damage was done. How much death and injury though I don’t know. See my comment above (needs to be approved because of number links).
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/08/keep-it-simple-and-question-propaganda-technology-and-coronavirus/#comment-125067

Brian Eggar
Brian Eggar
Mar 8, 2020 4:00 PM

There is a lot of speculation and rumour surrounding the whole of Covid 19.

Most of the deaths appear to be among the old who might already be suffering from something else. Again if all the intensive care beds are already occupied people might be dying and their death put down to Covid 19.

I found it interesting that China for their test kit obtained materials from Cuba. Could it be that America was not prepared to buy anything from that country.

I find Iran an interesting case study as it appears to be a secondary primary target which has got to a major part of the leadership. There is one country in that part of the world that would like to erase Iran from the face of the earth and would also have appeared to be participating in the World Military Games in Wuhan.

RobG
RobG
Mar 8, 2020 3:59 PM

Gosh, as well as the twerrorists trying to kill me it’s also the evil communist germs (Strangelove eat your heart out).

I’m going back to hiding in the cupboard under the stairs, with lots of bottled water, and spare batteries for my torch, and of course lots and lots and lots of toilet paper.

I’ve heard that Bowie wrote this song as a reaction to the Cold War and impending nuclear annihilation, which is as real now as it was back in the 1970s…

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 8, 2020 8:52 PM
Reply to  RobG

I read somewhere that Bowie (along with Nick Drake) was convinced THE END would come in 1980. Maybe it did?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Mar 8, 2020 2:13 PM

Given the events in Vienna (Opec+ meeting ends in failure for SA) and infighting in the Hose of Saud, lockdown and arrests – a major event is certainly underway.

Following the money is the vital keeping it simple strategy.

So Edward , where is the money leading to?

I have asked repeatedly of the various authors and many a poster in recent days but there is no answer forthcoming.

What of the PANDEMIC BONDS?
Why is the WHO not allowed to use the word be ause it has legal implication?
How about the out of control daily QE in the repo market?
What about the actual Black Swan being ignored the now walking dead – BOEING?

And ultimately the end of the 20 year escaped in the ME in defeat for the 5+1 eyed anglo Imperialist gollum.

The virus that is spreading is just a massive cover for the implosion of the bubble as the creators pocket their gains yet again from their asset inflation.

And the bbc has been using the word pandemic since yesterday in every report ! ‘Panic but not legally’ !

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Mar 8, 2020 3:05 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Btw – If it is a bio warfare weapon it must have a greater purpose than simple flu symptoms and – few vulnerable and elderly deaths – something like mass infertility!

Maggie
Maggie
Mar 9, 2020 1:34 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

DunG, I think they miscalculated the con-virus dosage, which was meant to kill far more and cause far greater panic? That’s why we are being subjected to the propaganda day and bloody night, just in case we didn’t get the message in the first week.
The infertility will come via ‘voluntary transgender-ism’..
It’s taking a little while to implement, but should be up and running in a year or two.
So make the most of every day, while we still can. Turn off ALL news.
Live, love and be happy.

Maggie
Maggie
Mar 10, 2020 1:04 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Hi DunG, Got some more important info for you, from The Last American Vagabond.
My Husband who is also researching this gave me this this morning and it is without a doubt the most thorough investigation today. And completely exposes the whole stinking business.

I thought of you when I read this comment from Steve:

Steve A
I’d like to know how “THEY” and the average local GP (doctor) is diagnosing patients when they walk in to the surgery.!?? Seems like another BS fear mongering manufactured virus. (Israeli Laboratory 🔬)
Lets be honest most Doctors wouldn’t have a clue, and would send you on your way and tell you to take a paracetamol when you get home. This so called virus suits all the Zionist controlled Governments just fine for their New World Order agenda’s and vaccines (complete with chemical sterilisation) to depopulate.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Mar 8, 2020 12:03 PM

The notion that science and technology are to be feared is reactionary. Science and technology are highly beneficial. It is true that science and technology can be used to cause harm. But so can any tool. A hammer, for instance, can be used not only for good but equally for obviously bad purposes such as killing someone. This does not mean we should ban hammers. Rather, what we do is ban murder. And that is precisely how we should deal with all tools, including science and technology: embrace the positive and ban the harmful.

binra
binra
Mar 9, 2020 1:06 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

A hammer is purposed to drive a nail into wood etc.
Yes you can hit yourself or another with destructive effect.
That is where you are correct.

Technologism (as the action expression of science) becomes destructive, when subverted to Corporate and Government investment, capture and control, for corrupted narratives masking in scientism of both the denial of moral significance and wholeness of being (Meaning), and the falsification of scientific endeavour for the pursuit of private agenda.

Thus tools and technologies – are developed specifically as means of weaponising to protect invested agenda by purpose of undermining threat or rival to a monopoly control – as broad spectrum dominance.

Your wishful naiveté belies the idea of plausible deniability – such that you may gratify your own self-justified position as excepted from moral responsibility because you are aligned with and as representative of a ‘higher truth’ of Science.

Howbeit you are deceived.

The notion of embracing the positive is thus that of embracing and funding the weaponisation and marketisation of masked or hidden agenda – rather than embrace a truly integrative and democratic science of uncovering both true significance and truly helpful workability.

The WHO of who sets the agenda for what is to be embraced as ‘consensus science’ and social ‘correctness’ is also the WHO that is to be given the power to ban, deny or persecute the right to question or challenge such narratives enforcements.

The nature of judgement is inherently divisive because it is one set over another.
To a controlling technocracy, humans are living tools – slaves – to use or discard according to their utility.

The ability of the mind to ban or excommunicate its own relational field of support and fulfilment for the purpose of possession and control is the negatively polarised sense of identity. Not that it is evil, so much as the mind becoming possessed of its own tool.

The development of the tool-mind has dislocated and displaced us from our relational inherence under a psychopathy of rational blindness.

Patented science is proprietary and protected. Dark science runs under jurisdiction of state dictated National Security. Mainstream science is a story by which to manipulate the masses – who are nominally the ‘greater Good of Humanity’ that scientists use to justify themselves – but are actually targeted or used by such agenda.

Most of all of this is the exchange of a living mind for a systemic structure. I’m not into the blame game so much as identifying where false presumptions lead to destructive outcomes.
An example of which might be germ theory – and the massive multinational toolset that has grown upon it.

I am not suggesting that science and technology are to be feared – but that fear works a hidden agenda or trojan blind spot by which science and technology are doing the very things they are supposed to be delivering us from. Look up from the model and take stock.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 3:08 AM
Reply to  binra

“Your wishful naiveté belies the idea of plausible deniability – such that you may gratify your own self-justified position as excepted from moral responsibility because you are aligned with and as representative of a ‘higher truth’ of Science.

Howbeit you are deceived.”

You tell him Binra:

STEVE HAYES IS A SELF DELUDED PRICK WHO USES THAT GRATIFYING DECEPTION TO JUSTIFY HIS ABROGATION OF MORAL RESPONSIBILTY AND GET ALL SCIENTIFIC. ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN I LICK MY NAVEL THE STENCH OF ROSES EMANATES FROM MY ARSE. ALL STEVE HAS TO DO TO RELEASE HIMSELF FROM THE FEAR OF HIS FALSE IDOL IS TO GET BEHIND ME AND TAKE A GOOD SNIFF.

Binra
Binra
Mar 13, 2020 6:48 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

You misconstrue what I wrote to smear the ‘person’ while refusing to address the issue.
Wishful thinking might also apply to presuming to shit from on high in SCREAMING CAPS. You can make a fantasy world for yourself and get off on it but you cannot make it true.

Wishful thinking can envision a ‘nice world’ where rationality has banished superstition. But such ‘rationality’ then becomes the panacea for every kind of fear that hides behind its mask.

I made reasonable points that you don’t acknowledge because you only seek to be offended and use your grievance to fuel vendetta.

I don’t promote my person. I share ideas that can be engaged with or not. If you read anything anywhere have any kind of ‘aha’ moment or stirring of curiosity – then you are in your OWN process of relationship and self-honesty.

Without this willingness you are subject to your own personal mythology – by which you cast your world. And suffer it.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 15, 2020 4:39 AM
Reply to  Binra

“Your wishful naiveté belies the idea of plausible deniability – such that you may gratify your own self-justified position as excepted from moral responsibility because you are aligned with and as representative of a ‘higher truth’ of Science.

Howbeit you are deceived.”

You tell him Binra:

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 15, 2020 4:49 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Goddamed blockquotes to sequence a conversation summary–instead of the traditional inline quoting convention–equals, in this case, a premature “‘Post Comment’ button oops”. I’ll try again when I wake up properly in a few hours.

Toby McCrossin
Toby McCrossin
Mar 8, 2020 11:46 AM

“Isn’t that strange? A bit of a simple discrepancy, wouldn’t you say? Why would the CDC do that, and why would the media repeat it?”

You’re a journalist aren’t you or are you just posing as one? Why don’t you call a spokesperson for the CDC and ask them?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Mar 8, 2020 3:18 PM
Reply to  Toby McCrossin

Edward is not a journalist and it used to be identified on his articles here what exactly his biog was.

Curiosly it seems to have disappeared! Not just from this article but all his previous ones here!

Wtf is going on Admins with such reverse rewriting ???

——-
But Tobby here is Ed’s own biog from his own site for your edification.

‘Educated in the classics, philosophy, literature, theology, and sociology, I teach sociology at Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts. My writing on varied topics has appeared widely over many years. I write as a public intellectual for the general public, not as a specialist for a narrow readership. I believe a non-committal sociology is an impossibility and therefore see all my work as an effort to enhance human freedom through understanding.’

…so NOT a journalist.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 8, 2020 3:40 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Offguardian takes contributions from a wide range of authors. Mr Curtin’s qualifications and goals are transparent and, imho, impressive. No ‘reverse rewriting’ of biogs is going on. The format of the website is such that this information is controlled centrally and, during a previous redesign or troubleshooting, this feature was likely disabled for the time being. It is not a permanent change and will likely reappear soon. Your feedback is really appreciated.

Toby McCrossin
Toby McCrossin
Mar 8, 2020 9:41 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

I see. So he’s not a journalist or an expert in epidemiology. Then why the f&$k us he being permitted to disseminate his tinfoil hat ravings on this website? 300 people are confirmed dead in Italy as of now and this thread is awash with cranks arguing coronavirus to be a hoax. LOL

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 8, 2020 10:02 PM
Reply to  Toby McCrossin

Just a thought, rather that be too preoccupied with professionally pigeonholing our contributors, why not address the statistics he offers or dismantle his argument in some useful way? I for one am not alone on this site in questioning what the professional moniker ‘journalist’ usefully means in this day and age. A cursory glance at most mainstream news outlets poses this question far more effectively than I could pose it here! A2

Toby McCrossin
Toby McCrossin
Mar 9, 2020 1:08 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Right, rather than be preoccupied with whether or not the above article was rigorously researched or whether or not the author is an expert in the field, I should just argue the facts? Well, the author is quite obviously editorialising so I will too. In my opinion the author has started with a point of view, that Coronavirus is not a public health emergency (an opinion he’s not qualified to make), and has worked backwards from there. He’s proposed questions concerning the CDC but has made no attempt to answer them. Why is that? Because the answer would upset the narrative he’s trying to spin. Articles such as this are not in the public interest, quite the opposite. They encourage ignorance and distrust of institutions in place to protect public health.

Because of articles like this one I cannot link to OffGuardian as a source say on the OPCW scandal because I’ll be told I’m relying on a website that promotes conspiracy theories. Which I’m afraid to say, it does.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Mar 9, 2020 7:52 AM
Reply to  Toby McCrossin

Toby, I admire your motive and agree with you about what journalism ought to be if it is to be quoted.

1. Having said that – Curtin writes what he does in his style, on various subjects, look up his previous stuff – what is published by Off-G is not claimed to be ‘traditional independent investigative journalism’ by them is it?

2. Regardless of Off-G’s motives or some authors (see any number of my comments on most articles) the platform is here for you, me and others to share sources of information and to debate what msm and so propaganda is being deployed – I and others are refugees from the Guardian comments pages having been purged for daring to question the propaganda there.
Of course trolls are here too, who are now widely distributed across all media – their job is never done – spreading lies and disinformation bullshit along with just a little truthful sweetness. I suggest you learn to identify and ignore them – starting with the mantrap you walked into with ‘Petra’.

3. Seeing as you thirst for genuine understanding of the issue at hand and if you haven’t come across it already, I recommend bernard over at MoA for the quickest and sharpest analysis on the web!

And here is a great chronology yesterday from SST which shows how fast the science and China has been on the now pandemic,

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2020/03/a-short-note-on-coronavirus-covid-19-by-walrus.html

4. So while not quoting Off-G as a reliable narrator or accepting the opinions if its published non-expert writers at face value or getting into bunfights with trolls i expect you may run into nuggets of gold and indeed bring some to the party yourself. Take it easy and happy digging.

Toby McCrossin
Toby McCrossin
Mar 9, 2020 10:53 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Hey Dungroanin, (love the name BTW), it’s refreshing to know that not all those commenting below the line here are barking mad. I too have been banished from many a website for my comments beneath the line. “The Conversation” finds me particularly unnerving and has banned me some 4 or 5 times as has Salon and Alternet. I once had a comment removed from the ABC Australia website on the topic of a day in the life of an FBI agent, what would you do? I said I’d try and blackmail a civil rights leader into commiting suicide like they did with MLK Jr. They didn’t like that for some reason.

Thanks for the heads up about Moon but I’m well aware of his work. I think his explanation for why there is such massive attention given to this particular disease when there wasn’t in other cases, (the opportunity it gave the MSM to beat up on China) is spot on. Loud and Clear (the radio Sputnik program) is also an invaluable source of information about the virus. I recommend listening to it if you don’t already.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 9, 2020 8:07 AM
Reply to  Toby McCrossin

— you don’t think an accurate description of the “OPCW scandal” is an absolutely paradigmatic “conspiracy theory”?

The senior managers of a UN agency suppressed the findings of their own technical staff, in the interest of providing a pretext for military action against a disobedient third-world country. (hmm, when have we heard that kind of story before???)

If that doesn’t qualify as a “conspiracy”, then nothing does. You’re either down the rabbit hole, or not — make up your mind.

Toby McCrossin
Toby McCrossin
Mar 9, 2020 11:02 AM
Reply to  milosevic

The difference is that while “coronavirus is a hoax” is a conspiracy theory, “the OPCW report in support of a chemical weapons attack in Duma” is a conspiracy fact.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 9, 2020 10:57 AM
Reply to  Toby McCrossin

Articles such as this are not in the public interest, quite the opposite.

Toby

I think you’re being rather unfair to Edward Curtin and the relatively small number of other authors on this site. The whole point of the site is to throw topical issues out there for debate and it then falls to BTL posters to challenge or validate what is in the articles without fear of censorship. It is this which definitely makes all the articles on this site “in the public interest” unlike MSM outlets. Speaking personally, I find the BTL comments just as educational and enlightening as the articles themselves because they open up the debate so widely and may be written by people who have their own relevant expertise.

If you look back over previous articles (e.g. on climate change) you will find BTL comments throughout challenging assertions made by authors of Off-G articles, leading to lengthy BTL debate. Those of us who have been regular readers here regard that as a healthy ‘given’. The other commendable feature of the Off-G editorial team is that they are willing to consider using articles sent to them by people like you and me. We don’t get opportunities like that with the MSM.

I could go on, but hopefully you see the points I am trying to make. The simplest way of expressing it is to say that whenever you read an article on here just imagine there is a single instruction at the end: ‘Discuss’ 😀

Toby McCrossin
Toby McCrossin
Mar 9, 2020 12:05 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

I think Off-G is a very good website but for it’s foray down the rabbit hole on this particular topic. It frustrates me that by publishing such opinions as those above it is diminishing its own credibility. Why does it want to be a home for ant-vaxxer cranks and their ilk? As the epidemic turns into a pandemic Off-G is going to have a lot of egg in its face. It’s a shame.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 9, 2020 11:37 AM
Reply to  Toby McCrossin

Toby McCrossin, I think what you need are some slightly less judgemental friends 🙂 and, while we in no way wish to make you a laughing stock in front of them, we must concede that it’s impossible to please everyone. You are clearly a person who enjoys pigeonholing things, and as long as we live in a universe in which one man’s conspiracy fact is anothers’ conspiracy theory, and as long as we live in a world in which CIA-generated memes from the 60s still govern what we are socially permitted to have a conversation about in public (for some reason), I further suggest that Offg is placed in a particularly impossible position.

We do, however, try our best. Thanks for adding your opinion.
It is welcome here.
A2

Toby McCrossin
Toby McCrossin
Mar 9, 2020 12:21 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Make me a laughing stock? Among anti vaxxers and assorted tinfoil hat wearers? I’ll wear those stocks as a badge of pride. When coronavirus becomes a full scale pandemic will you be retracting any of these articles?

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 9, 2020 12:51 PM
Reply to  Toby McCrossin

No Toby, I meant nothing as confrontational as that! I meant I hoped Offg wouldn’t embarrass you too much, in reference to your comment above:

Because of articles like this one I cannot link to OffGuardian as a source say on the OPCW scandal because I’ll be told I’m relying on a website that promotes conspiracy theories.

But let’s forget all that! I really appreciate your remarks and I honestly sense you’re trying to shape Offg for the better (albeit perhaps slightly more confrontationally than necessary to begin with).

As JudyJ points out very well above, good quality comments BTL enrich Offg. We never censor and hardly ever moderate.

Offg will always issue retractions, corrections and updates to its pieces whenever appropriate to do so.
A2

Toby McCrossin
Toby McCrossin
Mar 10, 2020 12:33 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I see how I misinterpreted your comment. And agree that I can be confrontational at times. It’s not friends who I worry will laugh at me, they’ve been doing that for years! It’s strangers on the internet who I want to take my argument seriously, ( not that I’m emotionally invested in it, I just enjoy arguing).

If I’m making an argument online and support it with links one of the go too troll moves is to dismiss the link as coming from a website that promotes conspiracy theories. I’ll usually steadfastly defend the site as being one that is highly credible. Unfortunately the series of articles on coronavirus here, dismissing it as much ado about nothing, makes that task more difficult.

As a skeptic I want to hold as many beliefs that are true as possible and as few that are false. In my view the opinions offered about the virus here are not true and that’s why, in my admittedly irrascible way, I’m challenging them.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 10, 2020 2:51 PM
Reply to  Toby McCrossin

And may Offg be of some small service to you, to that honourable end! Thanks for your message, Toby, much appreciated.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 9, 2020 4:43 AM
Reply to  Toby McCrossin

Toby, When they conduct “live exercises” they obviously need to fabricate statistics in one way or another as part of the operation – perhaps the deaths and alleged sufferers are real in one sense but not in the sense “COVID-19”. We have zero reason to believe the statistics as there are a wealth of anomalies in the story they tell us. Statistics lie as they say and they can lie in a variety of ways, one of them being “made up”. Shock, horror, yes, completely made up. You don’t think that they wouldn’t stoop so low as to make up statistics, do you?

A person, who, unfortunately, identifies himself only as Tony (probably has a job he doesn’t want to jeopardise) gives what sounds to me an authoritative and credible rationale for why the statistics must be completely bogus.

In response to Willem’s question, “What is the gold standard if it isn’t antibody testing, PCR or clinical diagnosis?” Tony answers:

The ‘gold standard’ is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not PCR or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such).

This will never happen (short of a miracle!) because of the various constraints imposed on mainstream virologists and microbiologists. So yes, no isolated virus = no gold standard of comparison for any genetic material found, therefore no coronavirus and no COVID-19 per se apart from opportunistic infections that are common and pneumonia grouped under that acronym to ‘fit the frame’.

You can debate this issue till the cows come home but only concrete scientific proof of this virus and proof of its ability to cause disease with proper controls, will determine the truth of the matter leaving aside all of the other possible issues discussed on this thread including, Psyops, false flag, as a silent weapon to see how the population will react for even worse things to come, and all the other ifs, and buts and whys and wherefores.
————————————–

But there are so many anomalies in the story there is simply no good reason to believe the statistics. None whatsoever.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020

Toby McCrossin
Toby McCrossin
Mar 9, 2020 5:14 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Who on earth are the “they” you are talking about? Health officials? And why is it “obvious” that “they” need to “fabricate” anything? Compiling data does not equal fabricating data though I think you are confused by this idea. What possible reason could you have to believe fabrications are taking place? You use a lot of scientific vocabulary to ramble on about “gold standards” and “purified particles”. Are you an epidemiologist? Do you have any expertise in the field? Given your conclusions I think not.

“only concrete scientific proof of this virus and proof of its ability to cause disease with proper controls, will determine the truth of the matter”

Such already exists. The Chinese have genetically sequenced the virus and made the information public. Proof of its ability to cause disease is in the numbers of deaths. Your use of scientific gobbledygook masks the fact that you don’t have anything substantive to say beyond tinfoil hat conspiracy theories.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 9, 2020 5:59 AM
Reply to  Toby McCrossin

Toby, perhaps read a little more carefully. It is not I talking about gold standards but Tony. I just looked it up and it is a “thing” – perhaps you’d like to acquaint yourself with what it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard_(test)

You say “rambling on”. To me, Tony sounds as though he knows what he’s talking about. He sounds less to me like an epidemiologist than someone who knows about viruses.

“They” is the power elite at whose behest staged events (of all kinds) are conducted by intelligence agencies around the world. The power elite, according to Dutch ex-high finance operative, Ronald Bernard, comprises 8,000-8,500 of the very rich and powerful from all nations and includes those such as the Rothschild and Rockefeller families, powerful politicians, royal families and so on.
Ronald is well worth a watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEpcY5JU120

The Chinese have genetically sequenced the virus and made the information public. Proof of its ability to cause disease is in the numbers of deaths.

So they tell us, however, there are numerous anomalies in their story so when their story contains numerous anomalies and no convincing evidence of a genuine sufferer – if you have convincing evidence of a sufferer please point me to it – we have no reason to believe any part of the story.

If you’re willing to open your mind and actually consult a number of the anomalies that completely undermine the story you will find them here:
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 9, 2020 11:26 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Well done Petra. I was going to post the ‘no gold standard’ piece too.

To me, the proof Toby puts forward – “Proof of its ability to cause disease is in the numbers of deaths.” is scientific, or logical, misunderstanding, at best.

They’ve analysed a virus. Great. Lots of deaths. Not so great. A meaningful connection – nowhere to be seen.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 4:30 AM
Reply to  Toby McCrossin

“Who on earth are the “they” you are talking about? Health officials?”

The many voices in her head that all keep on saying the same thing.

Maggie
Maggie
Mar 9, 2020 8:47 PM
Reply to  Toby McCrossin

There are some 1 BILLION cases of influenza worldwide; up to 45 MILLION cases in the U.S. per year. Tens of thousands of deaths in the U.S., and 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide. Seasonal flu has a fatality rate of less than 1%; Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said that figure is closer to 0.1%.
The incubation period for coronavirus is estimated at between 2 and 14 days but, unlike flu which is 2 and 4 days, little is known about COVID-19’s period of contagiousness.

Influenza and COVID-19 come from a different family of viruses.
COVID-19, also called severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 or SARS-CoV-2 is brand new. Influenza has been around for at least 500 years. Scientists say the “novel influenza A viruses” in humans lead to a pandemic, approximately once every 40 years. But, again, flu vaccines exist.
“While both the flu and COVID-19 may be transmitted in similar ways, there is also a possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route, meaning that tiny droplets remaining in the air could cause disease in others even after the ill person is no longer near,” said Lisa Maragakis, senior director of infection prevention at Johns Hopkins Medicine in Baltimore, Md
Of course, there are similarities between influenza and COVID-19. Both viruses are not treatable with antibiotics, and they have almost identical symptoms — fever, coughing, night sweats, aching bones, tiredness and, in the more severe cases of both viruses, nausea and even diarrhea. They can be spread by touch, coughing and sneezing.
Worldwide, there were 110,588 COVID-19 cases and 3,841 deaths worldwide as of Monday morning, and 62,109 people worldwide have recovered, according to data published by the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering’s Centre for Systems Science and Engineering. In the U.S., 22 people have died, and there are approximately 564 confirmed cases, Johns Hopkins added.

Last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000
and 70,000 per year. Nothing shut down, life & the economy went on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!

Roger G Lewis
Roger G Lewis
Mar 8, 2020 11:36 AM

“Nature rejects the monarch, not the man; The subject, not the citizen;
for kings And subjects, mutual foes, forever play A losing game into
each other’s hands, Whose stakes are vice and misery. The man Of virtuous
soul commands not, nor obeys. Power, like a desolating pestilence, Pollutes
whate’er it touches; and obedience, Bane of all genius, virtue, freedom, truth,
Makes slaves of men, and of the human frame A mechanized automaton.
Nature! -no! Kings, priests and statesmen blast the human flower Even in
its tender bud; their influence darts Like subtle poison through the bloodless veins
Of desolate society. The child, Ere he can lisp his mother’s sacred name,
Swells with the unnatural pride of crime, and lifts His baby-sword even in a hero’s
mood. This infant arm becomes the bloodiest scourge Of devastated earth;
whilst specious names, Learnt in soft childhood’s unsuspecting hour,
Serve as the sophisms with which manhood dims Bright reason’s ray and sanctifies
the sword Upraised to shed a brother’s innocent blood. Let priest-led slaves cease
to proclaim that man Inherits vice and misery, when force And falsehood hang
even o’er the cradled babe, Stifling with rudest grasp all natural good.
44 1v ‘War is the statesman’s game, the priest’s delight, The lawyer’s jest,
the hired assassin’s trade, And to those royal murderers whose mean
thrones Are bought by crimes of treachery and gore,
The bread they eat, the staff on which they lean.
Guards, garbed in blood-red livery, surround Their palaces,
participate the crimes That force defends and from a nation’s rage
Secures the crown, which all the curses reach That famine, frenzy,
woe and penury breathe.
These are the hired bravos who defend The tyrant’s throne -the
bullies of his fear; These are the sinks and channels of worst vice,
The refuse of society, the dregs Of all that is most vile;

Shelly, Queen Mab.

More
More
Mar 8, 2020 11:30 AM

Science is amazing and admirable. Engineers can produce clear calculations of how many planes will fall from the sky should they prioritise certain cutting cost measures.

Equally amazing but much less admirable to realise that lobbyists, supposed to be humans, can and did fool aviation authorities to approve the sales of flying coffins, branded Boeing 737 MAX 8 (Note the marketing trick of using the lucky number 8 to gloss over known defects.

Science and humans used to co-exist in harmony. Not anymore!

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 8, 2020 11:24 AM

Thanks, good article. To me though, a shame you used ‘Americans’ rather than ‘people’. 🙂

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 8, 2020 11:39 AM
Reply to  JohnB

it’s not the case that people everywhere are as dumb as Americans are, on average. especially in third world countries, most people can’t afford the luxury of having idiotic delusions about what’s actually happening in the world.

More
More
Mar 8, 2020 11:52 AM
Reply to  milosevic

“the luxury of having idiotic delusions”

I am not sure if true, but I heard -over there- they fly military aircraft as a warm up for things like a football game.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 8, 2020 12:30 PM
Reply to  More

More
More
Mar 9, 2020 1:34 AM
Reply to  milosevic

So .. is this what they are proud of, ‘Exceptional Trash’? They seem to be really into it. On youtube page there was even a link to a compilation of ’10 Best Stadium Flyovers’ .. The United States of Creeps.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 8, 2020 3:41 PM
Reply to  JohnB

You haven’t traveled outside of your country much, have you?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 8, 2020 9:54 AM

Thanks Edward again for your common sensical logic.
Because many in Australia have gone stark raving bonkers. Driven by fear. The level of panic buying is mind boggling – toilet paper, flour, paracetamol.
Yesterday while selling the mag by a suburban supermarket, I watched people non stop leaving that store with packs and packs of loo paper. Some people must’ve had 30 rolls.
On their faces – just this grim determination to get that paper home.
To their homes. Not to be shared with anyone outside their immediate family.
I’ve seen video clips of fights breaking out in supermarkets over…. loo paper.
What happens when the entire ponzified economic system collapses? How will people react to that? And even scarier, what are they capable of doing over a weeks worth of food, or even say, a couple loaves of bread.
Why do I think that the psychopaths who rule us are watching all this; watching how people react to the Coronavirus scare.
Remember Y2K, and the panic that engendered? I pretty much avoid the presstitutes who lie and smear and censor by omission and indulge in fear porn to get the gullible yelling: ‘protect us, save us… do something’.
And the powers that be oblige.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 8, 2020 1:08 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I doubt if “Gavin and Stacey” gave a monkey’s about Y2k. However, they are probably up to their eyeballs in loo paper.

(apologies….. that’s probably something Marina Hyde could have written…. and probably has).

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 8, 2020 8:59 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

There’s actually people selling the stuff on Ebay Mike. What happens when there’s a serious economic crisis?

Guy
Guy
Mar 9, 2020 1:01 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Now that is funny ! Ebay LOL

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 9, 2020 11:59 AM
Reply to  Guy

🤧🚽🤑…. Sorry Guy, couldn’t resist the emoji reply.

BigB
BigB
Mar 8, 2020 1:19 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Did I hear right: one of your papers is printing blank pages that can be cut up and used in the dunny! My brother in Perth told me. I’m not sure if he was winding me up. 😀

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 8, 2020 8:56 PM
Reply to  BigB

I havn’t bought a newspaper for at least 15 years, and even then, I think it was to clean my windows!
Hadn’t heard about the black squares B, but, seriously, there’s been some very odd behaviour down here in Aussie. Disconcerting in fact…

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 5:00 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

“I havn’t bought a newspaper for at least 15 years, and even then, I think it was to clean my windows!”

Most bright young things haven’t heard of that. Dampen crumpled paper with water. For a natural cure add a little vinegar (about 1/4 to 1/8). If you want to OD on technology, add about 1/16 methylated spirit and a small squirt of dishwashing detergent. Take care to keep excess liquid off painted surrounds as it leaches the ink off the paper and might stain. Finish off with crumpled dry paper. Simple (Obontopic).

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 5:06 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

For “…to OD on technology, add about…”
read “…to OD on technology, also add about…”

And keep liquid shaken during use to prevent separation (especially if you haven’t added detergent).

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 13, 2020 5:28 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Thanks Rob😁. Have used newspapers heaps for window cleaning years back.
Standing outside a suburban supermarket today, and it’s just mass, frenzied, full frontal, panic buying. People have gone over the edge, and it’s just every man, woman and dog for themselves. Scary as…

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Mar 13, 2020 10:09 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Could you possibly try to use the blockquote function? It’s basic HTML

tags. Didn’t you say you wrote code? Should be second nature for you. Please try.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 1:20 PM

“Could you possibly try to use the blockquote function? It’s basic HTML”

You talking to me? Yes, I could, and for quite a while I did, in response to your (??–‘admin’ had no suffix back then) earlier, general, unaddressed request. I still do (and always have) for ‘external’ quotes, but found it somewhat intractable for various reasons, not excluding the fact that it does not follow either the Internet convention for ‘> inline’ quotes or any of the usual hardcopy conventions (as I noted when abandoning it). However, if you were talking to me: OK, I’ll try again, but this time retaining ordinary quotation marks as well, as above. As an aside: yes, I did do a lot of coding once upon a time, initially mostly Algol and (sometimes) Fortran but–later–assembler and various PAL/HAL/GAL and similar sorts of programming so, therefore, I do not usually denote writing HTML as “coding” but, rather, as “marking up”…

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 8, 2020 3:47 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I went to the Coop supermarket close to my place yesterday afternoon. The displays were full of merchandise – not a single one was empty, there was no panic buying at all, all the people were calm and respectful and using hand sanitizers, etc. The Swiss are balanced people.

Guy
Guy
Mar 9, 2020 1:00 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Can we really blame people ,how many of us buy newspapers anymore ,nothing but crap anyways,forgive the pun.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 9, 2020 2:54 AM
Reply to  Guy

Point taken Guy, and yeah, a lot of people wouldn’t even know they’re being propagandised.
As Chomsky used to say: “they don’t even know that they don’t even know” and my ire/angst/frustration/contempt should be directed at the perpetrators of the propaganda matrix.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 9, 2020 8:13 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

— you took the trouble to inform yourself, at some point in your life, about how the world really works.

What’s their excuse?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 9, 2020 9:17 AM
Reply to  milosevic

The invasion of Grenada started it for me. Was 21 at the time, and just kept thinking Why? Where I lived there was no such thing as activist or solidarity groups.
First time I moved to Aussie in 1985, couple years after that joined a Central American solidarity group, and my eyes were fully opened to the horrors perpetrated by the fascists in Washington.
I get what you mean. Many times with friends and acquaintances I’ve pointed them to sites like here, Moon Of Alabama, The Greanville Post, etc, and even handed them articles.
Almost every time the response was total silence, or it was alluded ‘they’ (those sites – reporters) seemed too close to Putin or Assad. So why am I still friends with these people is a fair question, and one I’ve wrestled with a lot actually.
Those people have No excuse Milosevic. Just wilful refusal to open their eyes. Deliberately turning their backs on, say Julian Assange, for example.
They have no excuse. I can’t make them open their eyes. No one can.
But… those who have never had these things pointed out to them, who have never been in a solidarity group or such, or been informed about the White Helmets or Syria or Yemen, and get their news from the MSM – no, I don’t blame them.
A long answer to a short question.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 6:13 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

“So why am I still friends with these people is a fair question, and one I’ve wrestled with a lot actually.”

Because most people are decent in their own estimation and true friendship is a close up, looking into the eyes, real present person to real present person, empathetic understanding of a shared humanity behind all sorts of prior unshared actualities. Because Cherokee Will Rogers made critical joking comments about all sorts of prominent people but when it came down to one-on-one he never met a man he didn’t like, and he was proud of that. Because, as Chomsky said, “I think people have a right to burn books if they want. I was in fact interviewed about it, I said the obvious thing – I’d rather they read them than burn them, but if they want to burn them, I don’t care […] Now if the government burns books, that’s a different story, or if a corporation burns books, that’s a different story.” Because Chomsky, whom you have quoted in this BTL, believes that the right to freedom of speech enshrined in the principles and practice of the hard-won Enlightenment is distinct from the content of that expression (“…it is precisely in the case of views that are almost universally despised and condemned that this right must be most vigorously defended”–where ‘universal’ is the whole world or the immediate sub-group) and it is not to be abridged by the cetainties of neo-Hegelian fascisms (including Bolshevism) or corporatisms. Because you are one of the more humane, irrational, hot-headed and grounded posters in these creepy BTL’s. How many “becauses” do you need, you raving, half lunatic, certified people-loving old fart?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 13, 2020 8:55 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Thank you for the compliment Rob. Except for the ‘old fart’ bit (I’m 57)
I quoted Chomsky because it fitted the context of what I was saying – but have only read 3 of his books: Manufacturing Consent, Year 501 and Understanding Power, nothing for years tho, especially when he openly advocated voting for Obama!
An ‘anarchist’ advocating people vote!!? And for a mass murdering war criminal to boot…
I had a catholic upbringing, with a quarter of Irish blood in me, and I’m turning into Victor Meldrew. There you go. Grumpy old Gezzah.
As I’ve said numerous times, I come here to vent my spleen at the gross injustice on this Planet and wanton criminality of this Empire.
Three words: Syria, Yemen, Iraq. As we both know, many many other examples.
I actually Don’t find this BTL at Offg creepy at all. I’m often in awe of some of the other commenters here, and their level of knowledge.
Yes, we get regular loons come here like Espartaco, Crispy and William H Bonney, (should I mention LP also?) but what alternative anti establishment site dosn’t?
Not sure where you are, Oz, UK, NZ, but batten down the hatches, stock up on plenty of non perishable food, coz I believe things are about to get very rocky. Look at Italy.
Events with crowds of over 500 look to be banned in Aussie, already major sporting events affected.
Have a good weekend Rob…

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 1:45 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

“An ‘anarchist’ advocating people vote!!?”

As far as I know, Chomskers has never described himself as an ‘anarchist’ but has in the past used (maybe still uses?) the term ‘anarcho-syndicalist’ to denote an important part of his personal political philosophy.

Obama? Chomsky is an extraordinarily complex (but nevertheless, in my opinion, admirably honest–hence courageous–and straightforward) thinker, unlike many of his unthinking detractors.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 3:13 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

“I’m turning into Victor Meldrew.”

I don’t belieeeeeve it.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 14, 2020 4:41 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

“I don’t belieeeeeve it.”

On second thoughts, I’d like to revise that:

https://youtu.be/Cfg7aQMowVE

“Thank you for the compliment Rob.”

???? I don’t do compliments.

“Except for the ‘old fart’ bit (I’m 57)”

Don’t blink.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 5:12 AM
Reply to  Guy

“…how many of us buy newspapers anymore…”

Only the old farts who are going to die as soon as the coronavirus gets them. For William Randolph Hearst it never rained but it poured. Said Patty.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 13, 2020 6:59 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

I don’t know where you live, but in my neck of the woods young people do buy and read newspapers. Newspapers are also made available in cafés and restaurants for the customers to read, and many of the young customers do read them.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 14, 2020 4:46 AM
Reply to  Vierotchka

“I don’t know where you live, but in my neck of the woods young people do buy and read newspapers…”

I think you have me confused with some other guy.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 14, 2020 10:00 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Nope – I replied to what you wrote:

“…how many of us buy newspapers anymore…”

Only the old farts who are going to die as soon as the coronavirus gets them. For William Randolph Hearst it never rained but it poured. Said Patty.

Willem
Willem
Mar 8, 2020 9:46 AM

Keep it simple: the numbers cannot make sense as the test for diagnosis is faulty. And if you combine a faulty test (that sometimes turns out positive just by mistake) multiplied by the number of people who are tested for COVID 19, you get your exponential increase of people tested positive for COVID 19.

Willem
Willem
Mar 8, 2020 9:47 AM
Reply to  Willem

I am amazed that commenters who seem to know that COVID 19 is for real do not support extra experiments that can make clear whether this is COVID 19 is for real or a hoax, that is by testing a large unselected group of individuals on COVID 19 follow those who are tested positive through time and calculate the true death rate.

It is as if some commenters prefer to believe in bullshit, since bullshit is so much more interesting to believe in than the usual routine of normal life.

Willem
Willem
Mar 8, 2020 9:48 AM
Reply to  Willem

And for the so called experts, they are in for a rough time as this thing will be exposed for the hoax which it is.

Which is quite problematic as for some instances, it is better to believe in experts than that we are all entitled to have an opinion.

Perhaps we should all become experts.

Willem
Willem
Mar 8, 2020 9:48 AM
Reply to  Willem

https://off-guardian.org/2020/02/29/media-whipping-covid19-panic-to-unprecedented-heights/#comment-123893

Excellent comment from Tony that explains why COVID 19 testing is faulty

Thom
Thom
Mar 8, 2020 10:12 AM
Reply to  Willem

I’m not sure many people are saying it is a complete hoax – just hyped up for political ends, so it can be used as an excuse for political and economic failure, and to further control people.

binra
binra
Mar 9, 2020 1:34 PM
Reply to  Willem

The ‘polio experts’ were never held to account. Why will this time be different?
(IE: Fear of the Invisible – Janine Roberts).
We stand on the shoulders of giant mistakes. Lies too big to fail.

Expert witnesses or advisers are rightly called on to be cross examined or chosen for their perspective, but not as the power to which we abnegate our will.
Of course under ‘expert led propaganda’ – we have no such power and yet must give it them as their supporting role.

Expertise is different from mastery – which implies a process of integrated learning rather than specialisation. Discerning truth amidst a seeming chaos is the essence of the creative alignment within true desire.

The use of fear to disturb the heart is the opportunity for mind control.
Opinions are cheap – but decision is the act that you stand in.
Where fear can operate as effectively as a weapon it is the weapon.

Yes to self-education!
Question in the heart.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 6:59 AM
Reply to  binra

“The ‘polio experts’ were never held to account.”

Expand?

Binra
Binra
Mar 13, 2020 8:38 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Now my first thought was not to give you answer because your past responses indicate only an intent to attack my person and only skim what I write for ammunition to re-contextualise to your own agenda.

But I extend to you the curtesy of one human being to another.

I offered a book title above for those who wished to expand in the light omy statement. It’s a readable and compassionately honest way into this (virology) subject at this time – in my opinion.
Suzanne Humphries – ‘Dissolving Illusions’ is another. It can be hard reading – because of the content and implications.
You can research yourself online
http://whale.to/v/polio2.htm
has already a collections of documents that are not part of a herd mind training. (Though of course merely hating the haters is only propagating the mind-virus)

You have to come to your own view.
I am not in the business of telling anyone what to think.
But if you only have the history of the’ victors’ you may live in its framework unquestioning.

After all I have read and weighed I have completely changed my view on ‘polio’. I never looked before, because I thought I knew all I wanted to know of something horrible.

Incidentally – not so long ago a woman at a quaker meeting confided in me that as a child her father had run a factory involved in developing new agricultural chemicals and brought some home – that she was expressly forbade to touch!
You know what is coming next.
The settee had fleas, and she put some of this DDT on it. Only a few drops.
She was rushed into intensive care – kept alive on machines for a long time, and though she came through it – she never recovered from partial paralysis throughout her life since.
She had never told any medical doctor – or her father about the DDT – and at the time her condition was simply a mysterious and sudden striking of an unknown almost fatal condition. She had somewhat recently wondered at telling her doctor but didn’t want to risk diverting him from the addressing the pressing needs of his patients by perhaps following the trail of something that was only about her several decades ago.
She also overheard some of the frantic phone calls going on behind the scenes before another chemical catastrophe broke into the news and could not be made to go away – anymore than the arms and legs of the children would be made to regrow.
Her story was not part of my education so much as my education was part of truly hearing and being with her in her recounting of something she had never spoken of. Nor did she know why she was moved to do so.

Science and technology need not be feared – but its applications can be extraordinarily shortsighted and destructive – and so transparency and accountability are necessary. But once the system has grown upon false premises that run as cover story for unspeakably criminal behaviour, it became the hiding place for a racket.
That has no where else to go. The system is sealed from any real accountability. All destructive outcomes are assigned to the disease and as a call for more funding and greater controls and interventions.

I don’t see it as power but as a death cult that can easily invoke fear and smear as the sacrifice of communication to the split personality of fear triggered into grievance, hate and attack. Communication breakdown as self-reinforcing cycle that only needs occasional priming.

The reading of natural biological process as invasive attack is the justification to block it, attack it, undermine and replace it.

The persistent undercurrent of fight-flight as the ‘biochemical’ and psychic context of or truth of our being is a self-reinforcing loop. But it runs in our minds under our name as our chosen ‘protection’. And those who suckle it become adapted and fitted to it as a sort of food or energy supply.

If I thought screaming in capitals at the horror of the willingness of human beings to deny the lives of others under such pretext I would – but all that does is signal invalidity.

I bought and read a novel recently (I rarely read fiction any more). But the author appears to me to have been suicided – and that was also a theme of the book; ‘Malice’ by Jennifer Jaynes. It has a theme of an ‘immunoceutical drive’ against the rhino-virus set in the life and love relationship of a young doctor. It uses the thriller to story out a counter narrative. But one in which some of the background that isn’t usually known is illuminated.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 9, 2020 11:36 PM
Reply to  Willem

When’s it better to believe the experts, please, Willem ?

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 8, 2020 9:34 AM

Today, the Sunday Times runs a story that the experts ‘best bet’ of UK deaths due to CoVid19, including of course deaths from regular flu, will be 100,000 out of a population of officially somewhere near 70 million (unofficial estimates put it closer to 80 million). The ‘estimates’ are that around 20,000 of the deaths will be due to regular flu.

The article also quotes the ‘worst case scenario’ of 500,000 deaths ‘if 80% of the population become infected’, which to me seems an absolutely cretinous calculation, because large numbers of healthy younger members of society may be infected entirely asymptomatically and to date we have no young healthy people having succumbed. None. The ‘experts’ are extrapolating the death rates from those early sufferers/victims, who are mostly either old, immunocompromised or both, into mass population ‘estimates’. It is a laughably inappropriate extrapolation to make, one that experts should be pulled up on rigorously.

Why this is valuable is that these are official guidance figures from ‘experts’ which ‘Downing Street does not dispute’.

So what we have here is a clear statement of experts which can be evaluated retrospectively.

It is very important that it IS evaluated retrospectively, particularly if the conclusion to be drawn is that ‘you experts could not organise a statistical piss up in a brewery’. If the experts’ predictions turn out to be absolute rubbish, then their credibility in making future predictions should be suitably downgraded. You know: treat experts like economies, DJIA stocks: give them investment ratings like Moodys etc give (now those are corrupt too, but there is a semblance of sanity in the reasoning behind AAA ratings….). If they are useless, downgrade their advice utility accordingly. There are several grades of investible ratings, after all. Junk is a long way down the list….

On the other hand, if the experts have actually got this one about right (I remain to be convinced that they have, but you can never cast judgement ex ante, you have to let the data flow inward), then the value of their advice should be maintained/upgraded.

Astonishing concept, actually holding experts to account.

We have not done so the past 40 years, otherwise plenty of them would have been sacked, demoted, even imprisoned.

It is high time it became situation normal………

Emmanuelle d roy
Emmanuelle d roy
Mar 8, 2020 1:07 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

You can retrospectively evaluate the experts’ statements and actions for any of the past viral events. I read lots about H1N1 last week. (I chose H1N1 because I lived through it and even lost a friend to it) I can tell you WHO was not doing a good job then and what is said about this pandemic now is twisted. They had declared a pandemic then and not this time. They hadn’t restricted air travel or gatherings. They hadn’t recommend masks, They gave my poor little country 1,000,000 doses of useless vaccine after the threat (in 2010) and that has to be because they wanted to be able to say that they hadn’t over reacted, that they hadn’t ordered too much… Though what they are doing the opposite this time around, they are still inspired by the same kind of experts. (See that thing with the world bank not wanting a pandemic declared before another month. )

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 8, 2020 3:21 PM

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 7:27 AM
Reply to  Vierotchka

‘Masks won’t protect you’ = RT unnuanced headline clickbait.. Old guy in video to whom this viewpoint is attributed:

Of course using masks is highly recommendable. I’m not saying it’s not! […] it will help protect others if you’re infected…

When are you going to apologise to me for trying to tell me that my post saying exactly the same thing was refuted in the clip, thereby wasting a bunch of my time reviewing that clip to check, just because you were too up yourself to read what I wrote, Vierotchka?

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 13, 2020 6:34 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Why should I apolgize to you? I posted that video long before you posted anything about wearing masks. Since when does one have to apologize for something that hasn’t happened yet?

bob
bob
Mar 8, 2020 9:32 AM

To put it simply, we are agreed – americans are stupid

Portonchok
Portonchok
Mar 8, 2020 10:12 AM
Reply to  bob

And we modern British come a close second.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 2:03 AM
Reply to  Portonchok

As an Austrayan, I protest. Our morons are the world’s best!

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 8, 2020 9:25 AM

Latest: Italy are quarantining millions and here beards have been declared lethal. Tomorrow: all bodily hair must be sand blasted off.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 8, 2020 12:14 PM
Reply to  George Mc

OK, this was funny for a while, but now it’s getting out of hand.

https://www.rt.com/news/482590-italy-quarantine-lombardy-coronavirus/

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 7:32 AM
Reply to  George Mc

“Tomorrow: all bodily hair must be sand blasted off.”

Ooo-ooo-ooo-ooo. Gives me the shivers. Makes me think I’m young again. How do I get into Italy, George?

Anthony North
Anthony North
Mar 8, 2020 9:10 AM

Fear of death is a product of our illusion of individuality.
There’s nothing wrong with tech – the problem is its role to induce reliance on trivia.
What we lack is a Big Story – first, the product of religion, then philosophy.
Science cannot provide this. It splits everything into specializations, leaving us all fragmented.
Hence, we have little stories to provide fear and control, such as covid-19.
But who is doing it? Big Biz?
I don’t buy conspiracy theories – society is always geared to allow those who think the same to rise to power.
Those who think the same will act the same, giving the illusion of conspiracy.
The reason is culture and it’s ability to allow memes to go viral.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 8, 2020 12:17 PM
Reply to  Anthony North

Those who think the same will act the same, giving the illusion of conspiracy.

— for example, four different people might independently decide to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings, at the same time, on the same day. thus does the illusion of conspiracy arise.

Anthony North
Anthony North
Mar 8, 2020 12:24 PM
Reply to  milosevic

If you’re going to quote me, get the perspective right :

I don’t buy conspiracy theories – society is always geared to allow those who think the same to rise to power.
Those who think the same will act the same, giving the illusion of conspiracy.

I wasn’t talking about terrorists, but people in power – politicians, CEOs, etc.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 8, 2020 12:38 PM
Reply to  Anthony North

you must not be paying attention. the people in power — politicians, CEOs, etc. — are the terrorists.

but that’s probably just one of the conspiracy theories that you don’t buy.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 13, 2020 7:44 AM
Reply to  Anthony North

“If you’re going to quote me, get the perspective right…”

Admonishing milosevic is hardly going to emulate a drop in that ocean. There’s another anti-something forum site that disallows any sort of quoting in order to avoid your problem. Didn’t note the name. “No fun there,” I thought.

Paul Melzer
Paul Melzer
Mar 8, 2020 1:11 PM
Reply to  Anthony North

Thank you for your comment.I find myself questioning authority more and more these days, including the authority/power such memes. Theories are meant to be challenged, no less those expounded by a few or by many. And “conspiracy,” like denier (as in climate d) is used to dismiss all counter argument.
I did find the authors own use of fear to be the only chink in an otherwise, for this reader, illuminating read.

BigB
BigB
Mar 8, 2020 1:15 PM
Reply to  Anthony North

Anthony:

It is the product of Big Science that we have no metatheory or ”Big Story”. Science split humanity in two – broadly along the lines of C P Snows ”Two Cultures” – of the natural and social sciences. Snow was a propagandist for the scientific Method (Methodological Monism) which dictates that only natural science can produce certain, objective, and true facts – the generalised regularities of which produce Laws.

The Humanities cannot produce objective, regularised Laws – like Physics does – and so they are ‘literary’ and inferior. It is this ongoing split into Two Cultures – divided by one dominant, objective methodological certainty that prevents the integrated synthesis into an, as of yet, fictional Third Culture.

This split – into the “nomothetic” (the law-seeking generalisation of grand narratives) and the ”ideographic” (the navel gazing and wool gathering of personal narratives that much of the humanities seem prone to) – gives rise to the semantic wars of “absolutism”; ”scientism”; ”historicism” versus ”relativism”; ”subjectivism”; and ”constructivism”.

Smart cookies – like Kuhn, Rorty, Varela – look into the problem and see that there is not that much to shout about. There is plenty of scope of a convergence on approximate theories; semirealism; subtle realism; or (my own preference) critical realism. As Ricouer made clear: both sciences use the same Hermeneutic method after all.

So, the perceived split is ideological. Science bound in metaphysics is convergent on a final Truth – singular and essential. Which will describe humanity from the outside – in terms of ”allonomic” externally created universal Laws …in terms of a ”final vocabulary” of a natural hierarchy of deterministic cause and effect, law-like logical structures. Administered by Universal Reason alone: parsed of any humanitarian considerations of empathy or altruism. Which is the eternal ”Philosopher’s Stone” of dictators and autocrats from Plato and Aristotle to the metaphysical destiny (entelechy) of a technocratic scientism that awaits us.

So, the metaphysical ”illusion of individuality” is the only ground of such a Methodological Monism. The simpliciter is: “There is no external reality”. Only, humanity, in its wisdom (largely due to the disproportionate influence of the Ruling and Guardian Priest caste) has erected a succession of grand edifices of illusion to substantiate the simplex notion of an individual self. And now we are all fooled by the spectacular success of science …the modern scientific illusion of the individual – the metaphysical and ideological-I.

Except science ruled humanism *personae non gratae* from Gallileo on. Subjectivity contaminates the Method. The Method is the illusion of an objective, external, reality.
Those who are awaking from historicity cannot be rid of the powerful narratological remembrance of being an ‘I’. Which is the root of the root of metaphysical essentialism.

The lexicalised ‘I’ appears only in descriptions in language. There is no ‘I’ apart from this. But when we look to the semiosis of the ‘I’ (as many have done) – a funny thing happens. You get attacked; not by the cognitive elite …but from the street. The common sense reality shares the same metaphysical structure as the Method …constructed on the fallacious concrete basis of a permanently exteriorised objective ground. Which is proved absolutely.

Those who are waking from historicism and scientism need a new emergent theory of the self …as an interdependent – not independent – identity. And that view has to come ‘from the inside’ as a first person experiential wisdom. A *tertia* or Thirdness which bridges the gap between the dead Cartesian metaphors of subject/object; self/other; and inside/outside …which can be semantically sealed by the poetic metaphor of ”structural coupling”. Which Varela and Maturana’s ”biology of cognition” forms the kernel of.

Science can save us from metaphysical authoritarian scientism – if, and only when we awake some more from both law-like historicism and atomised individualism: by deciding to leave the individual self in Plato’s Cave – where it belongs. And if, and only if, those who are willing to admit the self is a cultural invention – one that recursively invents culture – do not get beaten to death by their interbeing fellow awakening selves …who have yet to shake off the essentialist dream that their selfhood is radically individualised by the culture that invented them.

Anthony North
Anthony North
Mar 8, 2020 6:18 PM
Reply to  BigB

I work with P-ology, or rational holism, a hoped for bedfellow to specialization, not to offer truth, but ideas.
The idea is to merge ideas and ideologies.
That’s the reality – we have to keep putting out new ideas to change things to stop the autocrats.
As for getting it right, no system is perfect, which is the point. We’ve got to stop attempting perfection.

https://anthonynorth.com/essays/

BigB
BigB
Mar 9, 2020 11:48 AM
Reply to  Anthony North

P-ology, rational holism: I’ve not heard of them before. Sounds good as it brings up automatic associations of Dewey’s ”dialogical democracy” and Rorty’s post-Darwinian Neo-pragmatism …that rests on Dewey’s shoulders.

The problem, as I see it, is that whilst the grand ontology of Truth suits autocrats – it is also nothing other than the expert verificationism of Folk or Naive Realism as an unassailable ideology. As such, it is at the same time the Cartesian view of reality that everyone holds. When I say ‘everyone’ – that would normally be a gross generalisation. Not in this case.

Anyway, always glad to come across a fellow questioner. I will check out your essays.

Best wishes
Bryan

[Don’t know why I bothered with the BB thing]

Ken
Ken
Mar 8, 2020 10:28 PM
Reply to  Anthony North

@Anthony North So, regarding 9/11, which conspiracy theory do you not buy — the most empirically supported theory of false flag or the establishment fairy tale of 19 shitty, amateur single-engine-plane pilots performing miraculous maneuvers and the magically collapsing skyscrapers?

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 8, 2020 9:10 AM

Keep it simple and question.

Prime question: who has the most motive to organize fake news X, Y or Z? Means and opportunity are secondary to that.

Roger G Lewis
Roger G Lewis
Mar 8, 2020 8:49 AM

A friend sent me an email last night.

Hi Rog,

As events continue to unfold I begin to think more and more that the virus may be ‘The Black Swan’ catalyst that sees a major market reset…not a crash /single day/week event but large increments that all taken together represent a major drop in values. The virus will be used as the explanation for the fall (all fundamentals ignored) then we will see Govt’s reaction and the ‘temporary’ measures turned into permanence.
What you think ?

I sent this reply,

Events are unfolding the main focus right now is Covid 19,
Meanwhile.
Fed QE–
ECB QE
Bank Stocks Crashing
Climate Narratives?
Brexit ?
Trump 2020? Bernie v Biden
Syria Turkey
Sehal, EU Military and NATO Doctrines
Silk Road

Which time scale do we look at ?
This is from Ian R Crane Autumn 2007

Peak oil Myth or reality.
This from The Late 60’s
Jun 22, 2019
VISIBLE (PUBLISHED)

Tragedy and Hope Updated via Byron Fagan 1967 Speech to 2019 Brexit and Trump
TRAGEDY AND HOPE MYRON C FAGAN THE ILLUMINATI AND THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS. THE THEORY AND PRACTICE OF OLIGARCHICAL COLLECTIVISM BY EMMANUEL GOLDSTEIN #MAKE 1984 FICTION AGAIN

https://www.bitchute.com/video/zlAB2wnrn1Va/

Etimov from 2003

Thorium

I think its all about the control Grid and Full Spectrum dominance
Alex Jones End Game is quite remarkable.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mvJpHd4SEOrB/

& Tarpleys Ecoscience
https://www.bitchute.com/video/M09rWwaHXPMJ/

The Stock Market is yet another part of the Bread and Circuses its all Professional Wrestling choreography Mike in my opinion.
The Time lines are quite long and all the focus is very short this is an ideal way
to distract from the clear direction of travel.
Centralised Tyranny.

The International System of depopulation globalization explained

1 year, 4 months ago

https://www.bitchute.com/video/XikjAJ4yeLXv/

I will also now sens a link to this excellent article.
With a great big KISS.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 8, 2020 9:46 PM
Reply to  Roger G Lewis

You outsiders think black swans are rare, but down here in the profound depths of the antipodean Hell that once was Australia, we have them aplenty. Apart from the feathered type, we have anthropogenic climate destabilisation, deep drought alternating with floods and increasingly violent storms, dust-storms, giant hail, deforestation, species loss, topsoil loss, sea-level rise, the death of coral reefs, mangroves, sea-grass meadows and kelp forests, massive use of agricultural chemicals, smoke choking cities for weeks and months, and megafires, raging even in rainforests.
The economy is drowning in debt, produces nothing but mines anything, no matter the harm eg coal and gas, wages are long stagnant, casualisation rampant (handy during a pandemic), wage theft ubiquitous, bullying endemic and the whole farrago run by certifiable cretins, devotees of the Free Market death-cult. And we are deeply involved in the war on China, with hatred reminiscent of the Yellow Peril days spewing out of our MSM every minute of every day.And to top it all, we are fighting in the aisles over-toilet paper. There’s a metaphor there, or several.

Roger G Lewis
Roger G Lewis
Mar 9, 2020 2:37 AM

That events are not as advertised on the packaging should by this stage be apparent even to the mildly hard of thinking. The Hubris of TPTB may be that they think people really are that dumb? or,do they know that the bread and circuses are keeping the stupor going.

https://thetechnocratictyranny.com/corruption/surrender-of-the-economy-and-its-consequences/

“A similar summation on western economies is not being given because as Greenspan pointed out, we all understand basically how our economic system works – at least we did at the point when Greenspan spoke at this event. What we didn’t know was that Greenspan was conjuring a way to logically merge the eastern and western economic systems using a redefinition of the word “market” as we in the west have traditionally used it.
In the new paradigm, the word “market” didn’t just mean the pool of buyers, sellers, producers and consumers (supply and demand) of a particular product in the United States, the words “free market economics” meant common market economics which is an entirely different thing because a common market separates the economic system from the political system in a country. It’s a major step toward the disintegration of a nation-state because the nation-state relinquishes sovereignty over their economic fate.”

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Mar 9, 2020 8:23 AM

Sharp and succinct Richard.
Australia. We’re shitting on it.

Philpot
Philpot
Mar 8, 2020 8:22 AM

Instead of brain washing children that they may not be male or female, but on some kind of weirdo, Tatchell Spectrum, government should insist that Orwell’s ‘1984’ and the film ‘Dr Strangelove- or how I came to love the bomb’ are mandatory on the curriculum. But then again, they might, potentially, give the game away that we are governed by psychopaths.
Back when the British Army was actually an effective organisation, the mnemonic ‘KISS’ was lesson 1; Keep It Simple Stupid. Back in the late 80s and early 90s things got done. Simply. Effectively.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 10, 2020 2:11 AM
Reply to  Philpot

‘We must not allow a trans-gender toilet gap!’.

Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Mar 8, 2020 8:00 AM

As an Indian, I noticed that the Modi regime media suddenly and in concert began to push the panic button on Coronavirus – just after the Modi regime failed to crush protests by Muslims and secular Hindus, and, in fact, drew international attention to its actions. Now Modi regime media magazines have started Coronavirus sections on their websites and these dwarf real news. I don’t think this is coincidental.

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 8, 2020 9:14 AM
Reply to  Jihadi Colin

Who had motive to create riots during the Modi-Trump summit in New Delhi?

Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Mar 8, 2020 12:06 PM
Reply to  Antonym

The Modi gang, because they imagined that could do it while attention was focussed on Trump.

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 8, 2020 12:35 PM
Reply to  Jihadi Colin

Ah, so those two days with the world press in New Delhi for the summit was the best timing for the BJP to go on public pogroms right next door?

The reverse makes 100% more sense: the BJP’s opponents chose that timing to blacken Modi’s party.

Stone throwing crowds playing victim for cooperative press after is the M.O. copied from Kashmir and first from Gaza.

Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Mar 9, 2020 2:32 PM
Reply to  Antonym

If that is so please explain why Modi party goon Kapil Sharma declared in advance that either the police should clear the protestors in three days or it would take matters into its own hands. Also please explain why the violence was entirely one sided for two days, Hindunazi-on-Muslim, before the Muslims fought back on Day Three.

I really love how you North American and European foreigners always know more about what’s going on in our countries than we do and feel free to lecture us about it. You should be ashamed of yourselves but you’re too stuffed with smug racist superiority to understand it.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 8, 2020 9:20 AM
Reply to  Jihadi Colin

Which proves, first, that the overlords have found a scam that unites them and, second, that the con-o-virus has now taken over from sport as the choice topic for news polystyrene.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Mar 8, 2020 6:34 AM

The cognitive and emotional impacts of collective human fear of death, both on the conscious and unconscious level, have been very well researched and documented by social psychologists examining what is called TMT (Terror Management Theory). The word “terror” referring to the human fear of death.
The theory comes out of the work of Ernest Becker and his brilliant book “Denial of Death.”

https://ernestbecker.org/resources/terror-management-theory/

Though we have long known that elites routinely use fear-mongering and claims of collective mortal danger at that hands of some evil “other” in order to short-circuit the thinking of their subjects, TMT goes a long way toward explaining how this actually happens. It sheds light on “why” in fact these tried and true methods of mass manipulation by elites in fact work so effectively even if we are skeptical of the lies we are being told about “why” we should be afraid and crave the protection of the State. There are now decades of well substantiated research papers, over 500 studies, and several books on the TMT research are now available.

The TMT research is well worth reading in order to better understand how and why we are constantly the target of these fear-mongering campaigns. From the constant Red & Orange Alerts of Bush the Dumber’s reign in the U.S. following 9/11; to the multiple more recent “terror attacks” in Europe in which the official stories never really added up; and all the way back to the CIA/NATO Operation Gladio false flag bombings in Europe – all of these trafficked in the State manipulation of the public’s fear of death, both on conscious and unconscious levels in order to achieve larger political ends.

KarenEliot
KarenEliot
Mar 8, 2020 3:16 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Thank you for this Gary, and to the OP for reminding us that this is a crude psyop. The state of existential panic occasioned in the aftermath of the Soleimani was another recent example and of course 911 was the point where the paradigm shifted, it seems to me.

I grew up in apartheid era SA where narratives included a “total onslaught” by communists, very successfully yoked to “swartgevaar” (fear of Black people), to prop up the disgusting regime. Helped of course by numerous racism enablers including the performers and sports teams who elected to play Sun City or give the all white rugby team the chance to prove their mythical racial superiority. Elton John, Queen, Graeme Gooch, take a bow. (I see Morrissey is touring Israel soon, and wonder if he would have played the Colosseum, Johannesburg, back in the day. Probably.)

The same crude tropes are relentless and ubiquitous at the moment and Covid19 is a crisis that’s too good to waste. That is genuinely terrifying.

KarenEliot
KarenEliot
Mar 8, 2020 3:18 PM
Reply to  KarenEliot

“…the Soleimani assassination” *

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Mar 8, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  KarenEliot

Karen – ah yes, the ““total onslaught” by communists” card was one my American government has played throughout my lifetime. It reached absurd levels when the Reagan administration presented Nicaragua as a mortal threat to the U.S. and declared a state of national emergency. That Obama declared the same national state of emergency regarding Venezuela and neither he or Reagan was laughed out of office for such farce speaks volumes about the effectiveness of such MSM supported propaganda operations in America.

Those of us who have grown up white in colonial nations have often witnessed the ongoing brutality of our political leadership toward colonized populations domestically or abroad (Nicaragua & Venezuela) – being simply psychologically inverted and then projected onto those populations themselves. Thus while the U.S. waged our brutal immoral illegal Contra war and we leveled crippling sanctions and have continuously fomented a coup in Venezuela – the public in our nation, the nation which was carrying out this aggression, was told that “we” are the “one’s in danger” from these two poor completely unthreatening nations.

Probably the core of Terror Management Theory is that when the state initiates any type of action like a “state of national emergency,” declares a “global pandemic,” or a “Red Alert” suggesting possible impending terrorist attacks – for the mass of the population the result is that this – (“intensifies strivings to defend their cultural worldviews by increasing positive reactions to similar others, and negative reactions toward those who are different”). These operations thus effectively short circuit our critical thinking and reasoning ability. For example I literally had co-workers explain to me back in the 1980’s that it is – “better that we fight the communist Sandinistas in Nicaragua than have to fight them in Texas when they invade.” Just try bringing “reason” into that conversation.

To bring this up to the present “mortality reminder” operations by the State – I can almost feel my brain cells dying every time I accidentally happen to encounter yet another MSM version of “Russia, Russia, Russia, Putin! Oh MY!” or “the Coronavirus apocalypse is upon us” run for your lives!

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 8, 2020 10:02 PM
Reply to  KarenEliot

In Australia, during the apartheid regime, the Right in politics and the MSM fully and enthusiastically supported apartheid in every way. They pretend otherwise today, of course, transferring their most enthusiastic racist hatred onto Zimbabwe, Arabs in general but the Palestinians in particular, and that old favourites, the Indigenous of this country, and the Chinese ‘Yellow Peril’.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Mar 8, 2020 5:44 AM

Thanatos hovers above us like a cloud of putrid gas.
And he wears a suit.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 8, 2020 4:56 AM

But as I have written before, most Americans are children, living inside a doll’s house of illusions and delusions while government and intelligence forces and their mass media accomplices play with them through technological propaganda.

That brought this to mind: