As I’ve noted in my recent work, many globalist agenda items are up for grabs as the world continues to freak out about the novel coronavirus and Covid-19. So is this the main event? Is the disease much worse than it’s being portrayed? Are reinfections after “recovery” common? And what should we do to prepare. James tackles these questions in depth in this edition of Questions For Corbett.
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The problem for us with not having a definitive test for Covid and the authorities refusing to test for influenza is that people can attribute all sorts of nonsense to Covid. Nobody self-diagnosed the flu this year, everybody self-diagnosed Covid. People “knew” it was Covid because of the loss of smell, despite the many years of evidence that shows that influenza victims also suffer a loss of smell. But the experts say it is a different loss of smell! Really!
How do we know that this years influenza is not the cause of the loss of smell? We don’t. And, watching the government dictats, they don’t want to know: a solution to Covid is not their first priority and neither is the collection of clean data that would enable real scientists and real statisticians (not corporate shills like Ferguson) to identify real solutions.
I knew Covid was a scam right from the start because the government was sabotaging the collection of clean data. That is a sure sign that they do not want to fix this. Government is putting no effort into finding out the truth. Instead they output slices of pop-science from places like Cambridge and other corporate universities, to pursuade the retards that they are doing some science.
Next will be vaccine passports and the next round of vaccinations for the variants, all the while heart disease, the number one killer in the UK and USA, is relegated to “not important” status.
Unfortunately, the retarded lambs think that Covid is way cooler than influenza, so my question is how to escape the flock that seems obsessed with charging over the cliff.
All one needs to do is ask for the scientific study that proves a virus causes the illness.
Dr. Thomas Cowan, M.D. hypothesizes that Coronavirus may be history repeating itself and caused by 5G. Discusses the link between viral epidemics and the development of electro-magnetic technologies going back to 1917; https://youtu.be/RIDIjE6FlEw
David Icke has recently come out with a statement (11th March) about a vaccine which will be ready in about 90 days for the coronavirus and COVID-19. He also stated that biotechnology was also being tested in connection with this viruses etc and they MIGAL’s technology group – quote: “chose to use coronavirus as the one to test and prove the efficiency of the technology” and then an amazing coincidence the coronavirus they say they were using to test their technology broke out. Icke goes on to say that DR Chen Katz the leader of MIGAL’s biotechnology group said “We decided to choose coronavirus as a model for our system just as a proof of concept for our technology.” Then there was an outbreak of the virus and Katz said let’s “call it pure luck”. Icke says “let’s call it not”.
In my post on ‘silent weapons’ on February 20th on the thread entitled Coronavirus: finding the ambiguous reality behind the fear porn headlines I quoted Bearden:
According to Lt Colonel Tom Bearden, and he should know if anybody does, that there are now lots of new ways to bring any nation to its knees, he remarks that:
“Some 10 nations or more now have LWIs [Longitudinal Wave Interferometers], and five have the QPs [Quantum Potential Weapons]. I’m still working on how many have the appalling negative EMP [Electromagnetic Pulse Weapons] weapons, but would estimate 6 or 7 nations have them in one stage or the other, either deployed or in at least advanced development. And in my estimation, the Yakuza [Japanese Mafia] will have them within three to five years if they have to build them themselves, and quicker if they can buy them from the Russians, Chinese, or???”
I also commented that there is also a quantum potential disease induction weapon that would be quite capable of inducing COV-19 symptoms in individuals particularly with compromised immune systems – virus not required….Note, the Chinese have these weapons too! I should have added that the virus is required as a cover story.
The vaccine is being developed (if it’s not already been developed!) by an Israeli company called The Galilee Research Institute (MIGAL). I checked this out here’s the quote from Newsweek.com:
According to the statement, a multi-disciplinary team created an Infectious Bronchitis Virus (IBV) vaccine which has been shown to be effective in pre-clinical trials. The scientists found the bird virus has a similar genetic code to and infects individuals in the same way as the deadly new coronavirus in humans……..The scientists adjusted the IBV vaccine to the virus which causes COVID-19, and are working on meeting safety standards which will enable them to test it “in-vivo,” or in living organisms. They hope these steps will “enable the initiation of production of a vaccine to counter the Coronavirus epidemic currently spreading throughout the world,” the statement read.
Here’s a summary of some of the possible, unlikely, and also undetermined scenarios connected with coronavirus and COVID-19 to date:-
1. The coronavirus is real and has not been genetically engineered in a lab and is the sole cause of COVID-19 but the virus rapidly mutates. (Unlikely, because no scientist has produced any scientific paper claiming to have ever isolated the virus and proved that it is indeed infections to cause COVID-19, and it can’t be determined whether it mutates rapidly or not).
2. The virus is real and was genetically engineered in a lab somewhere in China (or America or elsewhere!) and is ‘pathogenic’, mutates and is therefore the sole cause of the outbreak of COVID-19 (Unlikely, because it cannot be proven that any virus is the sole cause of disease including COVID-19, and it’s never been isolated to date to prove that it even exists or is infectious or whether it mutates).
3. The coronavirus exists as a ‘pathogen’ in name only and is just a cover cause for the syndrome known as COVID-19 which manifests as a form of pneumonia and flu-like symptoms but is really caused by trial run for the new scalar weapons technology that several countries now possess as well as China and are being deployed in selected areas throughout the world. You can decide for yourselves on that one.
4. The coronavirus has nothing necessarily to do with COVID-19 at all – in traditional Chinese medicine this syndrome would be referred to as Wenbing – a warm disease caused by different forms of pathogenic energy or Qi (Chi). That was the case with SARS and it was classed as a ‘heat-wind’ epidemic (not caused by a virus per se, but you can call pathogenic Qi a ‘virus’ if you like).
5. The coronavirus and COVID-19 are part of a psyops programme and also a trial run for the oncoming economic collapse, again, using opportunistic ‘infections’ such as pneumonia and flu-like symptoms but claimed to be manifesting as COVID-19 and blaming an alleged ‘coronavirus’ because it fits the frame very well and because the majority of the population believe in disease causing viruses and are easily conned due to constant medical propaganda.
6. The coronavirus and COVID-19 are just part of a scam to get the global population vaccinated with Bill Gate’s nanotechnology to further the Imperialist agenda for world domination and totalitarian control.
6. Which scenario (or combination) will you chose and why?
Very interesting Tony, thanks
Thank you Mucho,
If you are interested there’s more on the other threads that will fill in the gaps to this coronavirus myth – for the virus remains a myth for me until the scientific proof of its physical existence and infectivity can be truly established and it still remains to be a problem for the powers that be to deliver the goods concerning that issue.
I’m sure the doctors and nurses in NY and Italian hospitals would love to hear more about this myth.
The doctors and nurses are quite welcome to that if they choose to do so, that is, if you can get them to read my posts which I doubt.
The syndrome that has been designated COVID-19 is no myth, but the virus is until scientific proof ever comes to light that it has been isolated, its genome sequenced and its proteins have been determined and then proven to be infectious with the necessary controls according to the criteria for virus isolation / purification that I have specified in my other posts on this website.
1. Antibodies are not the primary response to viral infections: T-cell responses are. Antibodies will still be raised against viral proteins, but they are by no means the sole means by which humans fight viral infections.
2. Antibody responses are an initial primary response against a new infectious agent (to the patient). After that has been fought, antibody-producing cells are switched off but memory cells are retained in the body to combat subsequent infections. So expecting antibodies to hang around long term shows massive ignorance of basic biology.
3. Many viruses mutate sufficiently fast that a new primary response must be raised each time exposure occurs. This is most well known with flu virus. If Covid19 is like that, then antibodies against the first infection may be useless against subsequent infections anyway.
I agree with what you are saying about antibodies. However, what I don’t agree with because there’s no concrete scientific proof that has seen the light of day, that a mutating virus is pathogenic or that it is the single cause of COVID-19 or of any other infectious disease. This has never been established and can never be established in terms of monocausal germ theory which they have now cottoned on to and are now trying other tactics in a bid to save Louis Pasteur’s already tarnished reputation. Work in lab cell cultures is not the same as work in living human bodies either – as the conditions are completely different.
The only way those who advocate the idea of pathogenic viruses and make them appear plausible is by ignoring and excluding all other interfering causal factors (and variables) at work both outside and inside the cells from their experiments. Viruses as you know are metastable particles that are supposed to be able to perform miracles in even reaching the susceptible and permissive host cells by defeating all the extracellular defences etc. and then the intracellular defences.
Another myth is that these viruses can ‘self-assemble’ the capsid proteins once they are inside the cell.
To paraphrase Dr Rupert Sheldrake, its rather like delivering the right materials at the right time to a building site and expecting a house to build itself in the right form spontaneously. And then, they expect you to believe it’s mostly down to the electrostatic charges of attraction and repulsion of the proteins themselves!
We are supposed to believe that the proteins are endowed with the right brains too! But even if we grant that, there’s nothing in the viral or cellular genes themselves that can determine the precise form an assembled capsid will take!
Harmless viruses exist there is no question of that, but none that I am aware have ever been proven to be pathogenic despite all claims to the contrary. The German virologist and molecular biologist Dr Stefan Lanka for example, has this to say about alleged infectious viruses:
For almost one year we have been asking authorities, politicians and medical institutes after the scientific evidence for the existence of such viruses that are said to cause disease and therefore require “immunization”. After almost one year we have not received even one concrete answer which provides evidence for the existence of those “vaccination viruses”.
Dr Lanka won his case on appeal in the Higher Court in Stuttgart Germany (2017) against Dr Barden’s claim that the measles virus exists. Bardens submitted several scientific papers in response to a reward offered by Dr Lanka which claimed to have isolated the measles virus. However, to cut a long story short, experts were brought in and it was determined that those papers failed to do just that and that improper controls were used in the experiments. Dr Lanka won his case and Dr Bardens had to cough up with the court procedural costs. Nobody else has claimed to have isolated the measles virus to date, because they are afraid
of the rigorous scientific scrutiny that awaits their claim. May be they’ll get lucky?
By the way, Dr Lanka does not deny measles exists as a disease -he does deny that it is caused by a virus. Which should now be fairly obvious after the court decision in his favour over the Bardens fiasco.
Can you explain this incident: the last recorded death from Smallpox that occurred in Birmingham UK, the result of the victim being exposed to smallpox virus that had been grown in a lab. Do you have any theories about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_smallpox_outbreak_in_the_United_Kingdom
What’s your profession?
Scientist, pheasant plucker and seeker after truth.
I take it your main form of income is chicken plucker.
No Jay it’s not chickens its pheasants -you got it wrong.
Remember Bird flu? Well it’s now back with a vengeance – this time around they’re blaming the pheasants for incubating a new strain of coroanvirus that mutates faster than light – so fast they can’t even keep pace with it. However, before the virus can be isolated in the lab, (small hope of that), the dead pheasants that have also been blamed for somehow spreading COVID-19 (when they were alive), have to be well-plucked before they can be dissected and tested in the lab for virus.
Have a nice day, and keep clear of pheasants!
There needs to be some basic biology education happening here: an Asian doctor saying that ‘antibodies will not last for long’ is a ridiculously manipulative statement.
A naïve human first facing an external pathogen creates an immune response as part of fighting disease and getting well again. Antibodies are not actually the primary response mechanism to viral infections, they are the primary response to bacterial infections. Of course, antibodies can be raised against viral proteins, but I remain to be convinced that the T cell system has nothing to contribute to fighting CoVid19.
Be that as it may, normal antibody responses are:
1. Primary response to new pathogen – leads to large immune response and generation of specific immune cells to fight that specific pathogen.
2. After recovery, the immune system goes into ‘memory mode’. It no longer keeps making immune cell capacity that is no longer needed, but it stores in its long-term memory cells that can subsequently be reactivated if a secondary infection occurs.
Of course, if the mutation of the virus is rapid enough that every time a new infection occurs, a new primary response is required, then you have the characteristics of a typical common cold, influenza type of virus.
But to suggest that antibodies should be hanging around for a long time is simply irresponsible rubbish, especially from a medical professional.
There is a known method of ‘expert’ disinformation that comprises stating a common fact as if it were remarkable, dangerous, unusual or noteworthy, without going so far as to make that claim overtly. You can get a doctor or epidemiologist to go on record and say ‘ncovi antibodies don’t persist’ leaving the implication this is unusual, but getting him to overtly lie and state this is unusual would be a lot harder, because he has ethics and training that tell him not to say these things.
Hoax or not test..
MD: Expected total deaths from pneumonia in that region for that time of the year from historic stats.
CD: Total Deaths from Covid-19 over the same period and region.
MD – CD = x
If x +- = MD then Hoax
If x > MD + some factor then possibly not a hoax.
(Please factor in I am not a mathematician.)
Are there stats available to test this to calculate x?
Sorry have not had my breakfast yet..
flawed logic correction..
If x > MD + some factor then possibly not a hoax.
if CD higher (by a certain margin) than MD then not a hoax
CD = ‘claimed confirmed deaths from Covid-19’
PD: Non Covid-19 pneumonia related deaths for the same criteria
If CD + PD > MD then not a hoax
9/11 was primarily a hoax/ false flag/psyop to justify a series of criminal wars of aggression serving Zionist interests.
However, such a large operation was fully exploited to meet many other objectives, a case of killing many birds with one stone.
Grabbing the oil.
Creating a national security state with blanket surveillance.
Shredding civil liberties.
Enabling a vast transfer of wealth and power upwards to the 0.1%, the arms merchants and the spook agencies.
And others, short selling on the stock exchange, looting the gold bullion from WTC7, closing down investigations into mega financial crimes, the missing trillions from the military budget, to name a few obvious examples.
This situation should be viewed in a similar light.
The primary purpose of the current “crisis” is to provide an alibi for the long overdue, long delayed, inevitable collapse of the financial system and an economic depression on a scale greater than 1929.
“Not me guv, nothing to do with the mountains of debt, the even bigger mountains of derivatives, the tens of trillions of toilet paper money printing, the negative interest rates. It was all them dirty Chinks eating bats what had gone off a bit. On me baby’s life, guv.”
Enabling a further vast transfer of wealth upwards.
We will soon find out that Joe Shlomo and all the usual suspects have been shorting the airlines and the hotels and similar sectors for months, just like last time. Just like Lucky Larry Silverstein doubled the WTC insurance policy a couple of weeks before the planes hit.
The Gateses and the Adelsons and the Singers and the Bezoses will bug out to their funk holes in New Zealand with all the loot till things quiet down a bit.
But another key objective is to wreck the Chinese economy, destabilise the country, and bring about regime change, if they can. Tariff wars and the forcible transfer of production back from China.
But there are all kinds of likely other aims.
Shredding what is left of civil liberties.
“Police to get powers to detain virus victims.” – Tomorrow’s Times.
Compulsory vaccination, control of populations, closing down the Internet “to prevent panic and fake news”, and others.
This will be exploited for all it is worth.
The primary purpose of the current “crisis” is to provide an alibi for the long overdue, long delayed, inevitable collapse of the financial system and an economic depression on a scale greater than 1929.
I think this is almost certainly the fundamental explanation for this alleged crisis. Whether the virus is actually real, and if so, where it came from, and how dangerous it is, are secondary issues.
It’s far too late to cause regime change in China. The much more likely result will be ‘blowback’ on the Real Evil Empire and its end, as it follows Dmitri Orlov’s stages of collapse.
Just had to post this up. If only for the updated track ghost town
James Corbett – prescient podcast from 2009 on ‘Medical Martial Law’
The global system CANNOT support seven billion plus-the life-sustaining biosystems are already rapidly and synergistically collapsing. So several billion have to go. Thermo-nuclear war destroys precious property, and pollutes the place, so bio-warfare it must be, and will be. This is probably just a trial run, or maybe not. We’ll soon see.
They could use neutron bombs, get rid of the people and leave the property intact.
— and here we have the explanation for the widespread use of “depleted” uranium radiological weapons, during the past two decades of imperial rampage.
Don’t fret-their residue will be harmless in two billion years or so.
That’s the Zionist preference. There bombs are mostly neutron, for a big Bonfire of the Mitzvot.
I thought climate warfare to decimate crop yields was the way the thoughts were going: you know, use the HAARP technology to zap the ionosphere to create wild mood swings in weather.
If you do not believe that the US military has the capability to use weather to destroy any crop they choose to destroy, you are very, very naïve……….
if you have non-disinfo references for this hypothetical technology, please cite them.
It’s a bit out of date now but ‘”Angels Don’t Play this HAARP” by Dr Nick Begich is probably a good place to start with all the references you’ll need for an intro to this subject.
To claim that the US military has the capacity to use weather to destroy crops of a foreign nation or its own would be as preposterous as claiming that the US military is capable of producing and using viruses as means to attack, maim or destroy those not in line ( various foreign nations or individuals that is ). Preposterous and irresponsible. Akin only to Putin puppetry.
So it’s perfectly credible then.
In Cyrillic, the double negative is employed daily: liberally … 🙂
Akin to questioning with sarcastic twist or pure rhetoric 🙂 ,
answers, well known.
Ask Agent Orange or search how the birth control pill was tested on Puerto Rican women and deforestation chemical cocktails. Damn pubic hairs…
What’s perfectly credible is the incredible nature of the science of humanities, all academics alike ridiculing critical thinking,
on grand scales of ‘immoral justice’ for the few.
My point exactly.
If you haven’t already come across this it may be of help in answering a few questions:-
The UK’s chief medical officer mentioned yesterday that there’s no cure, and that we need to gain “herd immunity” from this new strain and its variants over the next few years.
I know tha’ts a common term in scientific circles, but it makes me feel that in fact we ARE being treated as a herd by our owners.
We’ll be exposed to viri, we’ll die or survive, some of us may be deliberately culled, we’ll be experimented upon with new and untested vaccines. Elections will be cancelled, sports events cancelled, schools closed, etc. We shall fear and we shall be therefore controlled by our saviours, our owners have our best interests at heart after all…
Moo, baa, neigh…choose your own favourite animal herd to join.
Portonchok (aka Frank Speaker)
We have a commenter – ‘Virus Guy’ – in this thread who believes there is no new virus, just an old one given a new name. Make of that what you will.
Did you tell us why you are choosing to use at least two names? Could you possibly select one and stick with that?
My name differences are technical…one device was used for the Guardian and Independent during the Salisbury Novichok saga, and a tounge in cheek name was created of Portonchok.
My usual name is Frank Speaker. My usual device clapped out and so I returned to the old one with Portonchok on it.
Now I will stick with Portonchok, it’s easier now. I just wanted to mention the other name, since I wrote an article for OffG using it.
The posts of ‘virus guy’ are interesting. A new coronavirus theory for me. He seems to have explained the science and testing procedures well enough. He seems to talk from a position of experience and authority.
My problem with it, is how could such a scenario play out on a global scale. And I’d probably have a few other questions.
But the last few years has taught me never to discount anything as often the unthinkable or most shocking finally prevails over the official narrative.
I wonder Admin, if he had offered an expanded version of his comments in an article and he and the science checked out or was at least arguable, whether Off G would have published it.
I appreciate the ‘make of that what you will’ in your comment could be construed several ways – eg ‘virus guy’ is nuts, or just referring FS to an interesting post. Just interested, that’s all.
The concept of ‘correlation is not causation’ is something propagandists hate having to deal with, it makes story telling so much more difficult to get away with.
I mean: why is it that Italy is suddenly such a centre of disease? Were there uniquely thousands of Italians in Wuhan when the outbreak hit (there are certainly plenty in Hong Kong escaping economic misery in Italy) or did some careless spook just open a vial in northern Italy to get the epidemic going there a bit faster?
I mean, if you want to organise economic terrorism, then choose which countries to hit and release a bit of virus there. Much more military precision than letting folks fly freely around the world.
No. But there are very large numbers of Chinese in the north of Italy from a city called Wenzhou in the province of Zhejiang- at least tens of thousands, and possibly in excess of 100,000 – many of them unregistered and clandestine. And Wenzhou has very close links with Wuhan. In fact, after Wuhan it had the highest number of cases in China.
Here’s a Reuters article from 2013 that explains it.
Here’s two completely different theories:
Bordering on conspiracy But not beyond possible
But it’s so hard for the layperson to be sure what the science is, isn’t it, Loverat? I agree VirusGuy sounds authoritative and what another commenter who sounds authoritative, Tony, says aligns pretty much with what he says. We certainly can have no faith that anyone with a relevant scientific background who goes along with this pandemic is speaking scientifically. It would be like looking to engineers who go along with fire bringing down the buildings on 9/11.
Whatever OffG publish they’re never going to be sure, are they, so why not publish what seems to make the most sense. The thing is though that VirusGuy and Tony obviously don’t want to use their real names and then it might be a question of whether OffG are prepared to use a pseudonym.
My opinion is that there is no virus beyond whatever viruses are going around now. This is a massive exercise and in their exercises they always like to control everything – making an effort to use real sufferers of any kind of virus interferes with control and there is no necessity for real sufferers or statistics that relate to a specific virus just as there was no necessity to kill 3,000 and injure 6,000 on 9/11 – doing things for real when it’s not needed is wasted energy and fucks with control. When they hoax they like doing it good and proper, they much prefer using their propaganda techniques to persuade (and silence us) than aiming for high-fidelity realism – no, they go so much in the opposite direction of doing things for real. We see people claiming they are asymptomatic and we see famous people such as Tom Hanks and our own Peter Dutton allegedly suffering from the virus. These people are in on the exercise, of course.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that the statistics provided or people shown to us suffering have anything to do with any particular virus or illness whatsoever. None at all. In fact, we can only infer everything is made up, except that statistics relating to sufferers and deaths may be real only insofar as some, at least, of the sufferers are afflicted with one illness or another and similarly, some of the dead, at least, suffered from one illness or another. I would very much doubt that the statistics are faithful even when applied very generally to sufferers of illness and deaths due to illness. Some of the people shown to us who are alleged sufferers we have every reason to believe are not suffering from any kind of illness at all.
This is an exercise perpetrated on (mostly) unwitting global citizens, the reality of virus infection is completely irrelevant to an exercise.
Just to add: in an exercise what you want is to control reaction to the event, not any reality of the event itself. The event only needs a sense of reality that can be created using smoke’n’mirrors, virtually no actual element of reality is required for the event itself. On 9/11 the only major reality was the buildings coming down … and that was a reality they actually wanted. The planes and death and injury were all faked. On 9/11 they didn’t want real plane crashes nor real death and injury. Similarly, they don’t want any kind of virus pandemic for this exercise they only want to engineer a humongous reaction to the sense of their being one. And aren’t they so successful at it?
i am an eu scientist
unique times need unique solutions
forced targeted vaccines multishot are vital for the coming tribulations to be effective.
the shots should most certainly include chemo and hiv medications we need to really do a good job on these virus germs alas washing hands and groin and feet areas has been shown to be inefective in the 5 corona strains test samples sent from fort detrick usa
I’m interested in your view as to how we can be inoculated against a virus that’s already mutated into at least 16 different variants, some way more potent than others? How does that work from an immunology perspective? Genuinely interested.
I think he was using sarcasm, Frank. 🙂
I am entirely confident you are not any type of scientist but you may be a sock puppet account with a checklist of talking points that you manifestly do not understand.
There is no prospect of or need for an effective vaccine. If a claimed vaccine is hurried into production it will likely be less effective than most flu vaccines – that is to say not very or at all. But it will be just as profitable.
If you are an EU scientist as you claim, then it should be easy for you to give me a reference to a long term detailed scientific study that conclusively proves that a vaccine works and prevents a specific infectious disease. HIV by the way is still an unproven virus as the cause of AIDS – see the Perth Group material for proof of fact.
I am trying to get to the truth regarding this issue as vaccines are now underway for a coronavirus which has never been effectively proven to exist, let alone be the cause of COVID-19.
Unfortunately, I can’t find any such references in the scientific literature – just as I can’t find any scientific papers that can conclusively prove that the pathogenic viruses that the vaccines are alleged to contain actually exist. My bet is that you can’t deliver on that request, but in fact I would be very happy if you can prove that the opposite is the case to resolve the issue.
Yep, never liked the term ‘herd’ when referring to humans.
Sadly, one suspects it was chosen ‘a purpose, by those clever NLP-ing illuminati.
Agree-it’s an insult to animals.
We shall fear and we shall be therefore controlled by our saviours, our owners have our best interests at heart after all… Moo, baa, neigh… choose your own favourite animal herd to join.
Virus is from Latin; it is neutral, therefore its plural might be VIRA, but it looks like there’s no instance in old literature …
It’s a mass word, meaning “slime”. So there’s little or no reason for a plural. We don’t usually say “slimes” either.
I say Slimey sometimes.
I’m wondering if anyone has come across information that is similar to what is presented in this brief article below from GlobalResearch. I live in the U.S. and I wasn’t aware that our bio-weapons site Fort Detrick was shut down by the CDC (Center for Disease Control) in August 2019 – which seems a rather unusual event I dare say:
from the horse’s
New York Times, Aug. 5, 2019 — Deadly Germ Research Is Shut Down at Army Lab Over Safety Concerns
It was partially reopened late last year.
Fear death figures all over the place. Don’t see any figures relating to ages of fatalities. Also previous illnesses or medical histories. Can anybody shed a light on this ? Also what are annual flu deaths annually in these countries.??
Also, the fact that some of the mortalities were diagnosed with a coronavirus prior to death doesn’t automatically mean that it either caused the death or even contributed to it. We are talking mainly of elderly, infirm, mortal patients after all. As I have alluded to previously, when Matt Hancock (UK Junior Health Minister) referred to the (then) latest death on BBC Question Time last week, he specifically said that that she had died “with” the coronavirus: far from being the same as saying “from” or “as a result of”.
Pneumonia deaths in Italy about 9000 per year – 2014.
Most recent from South Korea. Very low CFR below 50 years of age.
Hey, look at the positive side! People aren’t talking about Horny Harvey Weinstein or claiming that Epstein didn’t kill himself.
And that long overdue DOW crash? Why not hide it behind the Corona scare? That way, us peons won’t wonder what happened to our 401K accounts or our looted pensions of disappearing mutual funds. We’ll be too scared to complain.
Hey, look at the positive side!
As far as I’m concerned the cancellation of sporting events is a positive. All of which makes it fun when they get to the sport section and say, “Now here’s the sport – oh hang on a minute!”
virtual reality to the rescue:
The Phoenix Suns are playing out the rest of their season on ‘NBA 2K’ video game
My worry at the moment is, if one accepts the virus as credible and is largely reliant on professional/government advice and subsequent regulations/temporary laws. One would also have to take into account the political beliefs/philosophy of those currently holding the reigns of power. And I would be willing to guess/bet a substantial some of money that a Twitter comment alleging that Johnson and especially his advisor Cummins are believers in eugenics is true.
Just think of the savings to be made by eliminating many aged and disabled ‘useless eaters’. I’m sure BoJo and Cummings are completely in favour of that.
sounds a bit like the measles amnesia that pros are now pushing in response to us ‘’antis’’ talking about real immunity, and other health benefits from a short lived, mild infection.
Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research from Nov 2015
An experiment that created a hybrid version of a bat coronavirus — one related to the virus that causes SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) — has triggered renewed debate over whether engineering lab variants of viruses with possible pandemic potential is worth the risks.
After WWII, some Nazis got the rope for experimenting with this kind of madness. But not in the USA, woohoo Wuhan!
doth the lady protest too much???
A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence
— ladies and germs, I think we have a winner …
note the academic affiliation of two of the authors:
Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China
What justification is there for the decision to stop football for a month whilst welcoming the Cheltenham festival horse racing where many thousands of people will be gathered? This is surely not a ‘class thing’ is it???
My mother, who’s a keen race horsing fan, keeps saying the same thing. There’s been close to half a million people at the Cheltenham Festival this year. At most sporting events people tend to sit in a seat (or stand) for most of the duration. At race meetings people tend to mill around, and breathe all over each other.
Neighhhhh. Bat flue doesn’t affect horses…or their offspring.
Probably economic: the festival represents the vast majority of Cheltenham Racecourse income for the entire year in a way that football never experiences (they get season ticket revenue every summer, TV revenues quarterly and retail commissions as they are accounted for).
The Government probably said: ‘big downside and smaller upside’.
I agree with them.
Some people think that the psychopaths who rule us are using Covid 19 as a short test, to see what they can get away with.
My estimate, so far, is that this is much worse than that: the psychopaths seem to be attempting a full roll out of what some call ‘The New World Order’.
The Frankenstein flu hysteria has been snowballing by the day; so much so that it’s often hard to keep up with it all. Some developments that struck me today are that Spain is about to declare a state of emergency (thus far Spain has 43 deaths attributed to Covid 19); local elections have been postponed until May next year in England (this one is such an obvious take over of power); France has now limited public gatherings to no more than 100 people (the gilets jaunes will love that one); Austria has announced it is following Italy in closing almost all shops except for supermarkets and chemists; from Monday, almost no-one will be allowed to enter or leave the Czech Republic, as it effectively closes its borders… I could go on and on with this, and it’s just the latest news today.
Whatever your take on this, what the psychopaths who rule us are doing is going to crash the global economy.
At the time of writing, around 5000 people worldwide have died from Covid 19, which, as others have pointed out here, is peanuts compared to global death tolls from other diseases.
It does seem that something big is going down. I have to add, though, that I remain optimistic about the future, because the Frankenstein flu is waking up many people to the reality of the world they inhabit.
The psychopaths have overstepped the mark here, and they will pay for it dearly.
Yes, I also think that something big is going down. The hysteria – not to mention all the measures you mentioned – is being whipped up to such a frenzy, that it very difficult to imagine it all ‘just ‘fading away’. I’m expecting a bang at some point rather than a whimper.
I am expecting that bang to be some kind of international monetary reform, including a wiping clean of the debt slate.
The last few decades have seen the construction of the biggest tower of debt in history, and we have now had the largest financial bubble in history.
Look at all these emergency powers in that light.
That’s why we need the biggest psyop in history.
How will they ‘pay’ for it. A poll tax, perhaps.
So – this Corbett report advises us to become “self sufficient” so that we do not submit to Their agenda – unless becoming “self sufficient” IS Their agenda? And how long is this “self sufficiency” supposed to last? How many are dependant on public services? Well let’s be honest: all of us. How long can you hold out in your little survivalist shelter?
Dependence is ‘their’ agenda. Otherwise preppers would not be so relentlessly mocked in mainstream media.
Corbett also makes clear that absolute individual independence is difficult, if not impossible, to achieve. He stresses that it is a question of degree. He also stresses the importance of like-minded people working together in local groups, at a human level.
I like many of your posts George, but you really do have to be a bit obtuse to think that local independence of individuals and groups could possibly be on ‘their’ agenda.
How can it possibly be in ‘their’ interest to have individuals and small groups arising autonomously, parallel to official structures?
I can’t really follow your argument.
Well let me put it this way: Their agenda is to slash all the public services. Becoming “independent” is what they want us to do. No more NHS, no more disability services etc. survival of the fittest. Or to be more precise: survival of the richest. The little folk can kid themselves on that they are self sufficient till their stocked up supplies inevitably dry up.
Ok – now I see what you’re getting at.
I don’t think that being ‘independent’ in the sense that James Corbett means it, conflicts at all with the justified desire to defend public services, although I can follow that in the Anglo-American context it might be understood that way.
I actually think that an independent self-aware citizenry is better able to defend their public services, especially if they form their own autonomous groups. In France, for example,at least years ago when I was there, there were many rural and semi-rural, hunting, shooting and fishing types with allotments, who were very keen on defending public services.
I think that, especially in America, the individual aspect of this tends to be overestimated at the expense of the social aspect. We are social beings, and if we are to effectively resist the psychopaths who rule us, then we are much more likely to be successful if we do it together.
Yes… Corbett, entertaining though he is, is essentially a libertarian anti-big-government guy.
I on the other hand believe in government, as big as it needs to be and suitably devolved and with an effective local component. It should of course not be run by psychopaths, but by a democratically elected government chosen by a well-informed intelligent electorate. (We clearly have some way to go there).
I certainly don’t want to be ruled by a bunch of hairy peppers, roaring around in their SUV’s and armed with pump-action shotguns, like extras from some dystopian movie.
James Corbett may imagine he is living in some libertarian paradise over there in Japan. In fact he is living under a strongly governed and well-planned state with strictly authoritarian Conservative social norms. If the Japanese PTB thought for one moment that he was any kind of threat, he’d be out on his ear before you could say “Alex Jones”.
Psychopaths always gravitate to the top, because it is they who are always most motivated to seek power.
Believing in it is one thing. Having the ability to make it actually work in a worthwhile manner quite another.
The best government shuns limelight, does the boring things really well and does not waste money on vanity projects. You will find several local authorities who do this rather well, rather fewer Central Departments.
The real question about ‘governments’ is whether they actually serve their electors or truly serve wealthy paymasters whilst spouting claptrap for the masses.
My opinion is that unless you hold their noses to the grindstone, professional politicians will always chase the money, the limelight and the sinecures.
To put this in perspective we are now being told hyped up guff about bat flu -especially at the Guardian [panic-stations anything can happen in the next half hour!].
This is an interesting info graph
Also read “The Swine Flu ‘Pandemic’ Was Officially a Hoax, Corona Virus Probably is Too. Big Pharma Stands to Profit, Again” By Joe Quin at SOTT net. https://www.sott.net/article/430642-The-Swine-Flu-Pandemic-Was-Officially-a-Hoax-Corona-Virus-Probably-is-Too-Big-Pharma-Stands-to-Profit-Again
Here in Russia everyone is aware of the “pandemic” but no one is panicking – no shortages of toilet roll etc. We understand fake news in Russia when we see it.
As Joe Quinn points out the definition of “pandemic” has been changed. And as Catte pointed out recently there has been some gerrymandering of the edits on Spanish Flu vis-à-vis Wikipedia.
Chinese scientists are saying that almost half of the tests for Covid-19 return false positives:
If they are PCR-based, then you need to be really careful about sample collection, processing and general laboratory procedures not to generate false positives.
Rushing things, being slapdash under time pressure is the quickest way to generate false positive PCR results known to humankind.
Want to add the following:
1. Heart disease due to smoking and alcohol.
2. Class A drug abuses.
3. Road Traffic accidents.
4. Deaths from fire.
5. Deaths in war like Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Afghanistan etc etc etc
6. Deaths from lack of clean drinking water.
7. Deaths in the first five years of life.
8. Deaths due to cancer.
Then maybe add lists of:
1. Sexual abuse of adults and children.
2. Continual harassment and bullying leading to depression, suicidal thoughts etc.
3. The effects of poor diet.
4. The effects of living in damp homes, inadequately heated in winter.
You will soon find far more pressures from a multitude of other sources.
But CoVid19 is THE ONE!
it is impotent that all goy take the vaccines it does not matter which one taking everything that going will be the safest option.
bear in minds 2 week old babies have had 10 shots not including the shots mom had while baby was in the belly.
bill gates is correct we really do need to do a good job with vaccines.
remember is you are khazar ashkanazim please insist on a kosher mercury monkey virus free vaccine
this is the sum of all are fears believe
compliance is critical.
in other news buildimg and construction works are ongoing at london bridge and other entry points into the city of london including london bridge
works will be ongoing until october
a castle keep so to speak
security for the money changers is essential.
if visiting the little old church in temple you will find the resting place of lord blah blah martial
as in martial law
you can do a brass rubbing on his ugly satanick face please make sure n95 mask and rubber gloves are used if you are toucing this satanick knights templar here ho
I’ll stick to my daily dosing of 2-3 garlic cloves and massive amounts of Vit C. Maybe that weaponized Corona that the US Army dumped into China to tank their economy will actually come back to tank the US economy and bring about some of the grief, despair, destruction and death we’ve visited on the world numerous times since 1945. Don’t think Americans will like tasting their own medicine.
Any thoughts on this, which claims to have had 17,000,000 views within 48hrs, and which has also been shared, in part, by Moon of Alabama? I’d be happy to be convinced that it’s bunkum (as it goes against some of my better – and more cynical – instincts), but it does read fairly convincingly to me:
That article is being widely promoted and is an attempt, in my view, to confuse ordinary people who are not scientists or epidemiologists into believing they are being given alarming new information when they are not. I believe it to be a well-crafted and cynical effort.
If you break down the actual information provided therein it is basically a very long elucidation of the self-evident fact that in any viral cluster there will be newly emerging clinical and subclinical cases, particularly in the emergent phase, that are not yet incorporated into the stats.
In other words there is a time lag between cases developing and being officially recognised.
This is the situation with everything, every pathogen, every minor or major contagion cluster. Every cold outbreak, every viral gastroenteritis outbreak. It is absolutely and perfectly normal.
As cases peak and begin to dwindle this lag also becomes less, until eventually new cases are negligible. This also is normal.
The Medium article you refer to, and which I believe to be a sponsored disinformation effort, attempts to present this normal, regular aspect of epidemiology as if it were something unique and terrifying. You will note it never actually says so, but it implies it.
It also uses language and numerous graphs to create a confusing impression of hard-to-assimilate information that is actually no more than noise. This is why I believe it to be disinformation, because this is a known methodology of blinding the public with pseudoscience. Like so:
Take a commonly accepted common sense fact (e.g. that there is going to be a lag between sicknesses happening and being assimilated in to stats), present it as if it were shocking and new and illustrate it with graphs that do nothing but serve to hide the basic and uncontested nature of the fact being hyped. Draw extreme conclusions or imply them. Above all, make your opening statement and closing statement frightening and much easier to assimilate than the word salad in between.
People will read your first sentences, scroll through the bewildering graphs to the end, read your last sentence, be glad they can at least understand this and assume the rest of your study is too smart and science-based for them. They will of course accept your conclusions.
This article we are discussing is an exemplar of this method. The simple fact of lag between clinical development and diagnosis turned into a bewildering forest of scary seeming stats and a completely unsupported conclusion. No one should give it time. It’s nonsense dressed up in ways known to have maximum psychological effects.
As I say in my other lengthy post today I do not believe there is a novel coronavirus causing a pandemic. I believe it is a global scam with very concerning aims.
I think the low numbes of cases reflect this. I think articles such as this one are intended to obscure these low numbers with chilling threats of future very high numbers. The aim is to make the threat seem so imminent it frightens people enough so they stop pointing out the real numbers don’t fit with the pandemic story.
I am currently extremely concerned with where this is going.
Thanks. That’s helpful.
I’m with you VirusGuy on your final sentence.
This comment I am typing in right now has had 19,000,000,000,000 viewers already. See- I can talk shite too!
Yeah, numbers and shit :
— very iffy numbers.
Arguably so, but at least the Lancet flag that up themselves.
In the interest of some balance, there is this interview with Amesh Adalja from John Hopkins that puts the mortality rate significantly lower (0.1-0.6%) based on the Korean data. He thinks that the shutdown measures could be disproportionate and damaging:
Appreciate the James Corbett video. Witnessed another day of panic buying frenzy here in Melbourne. I suppose its the same everywhere now. All throughout the West.
A number of people have actually run out of money, and are trying to get refunds on things like the mountain of toilet paper they’ve bought in the last few weeks.
Have started telling people: don’t watch the news, don’t read the papers, they’re pushing all this fear.
A few actually agreed, and said they’d already done that.
A number of others here are openly expressing their anger at all the ‘greedy and selfish people in Australia’.
But most, however, are reacting just exactly how the 0.01% psychopaths want them to react.
What is a tragedy for some is an opportunity for others: overheard a woman boasting about buying-up all the hand-sanitiser in the Pound Shop and selling it online for £5 a bottle. Claimed she’d made £400 so far…….that’s “entrepreneurs” for you.
They should punish the people who bought it …
why, it’s just essence of capitalism.
Hi GP. Four decades of neo-liberalism have created hoards of ‘me-firsters’, heedless of the deprivation their panic-buying is inflicting on others. My local supermarket has not only been without toilet rolls, but also spaghetti, many lines of tinned fish, non-lite oats (porridge); vitamin C is in short supply, didn’t notice any paper towels. Both local pharmacies were out of anti-bacterial hand wash (one of them had new stocks yesterday).
All totally pathetic, but a sombre lesson in how saturation media coverage of a problem can result in part of a population acting irrationally. There are obvious parallels with media propaganda during election campaigns.
I fully agree with you about the psychological effects that 40 years of Neoliberalism has had on people CM.
I’ve seen that every single day since I began selling the mag.
My observations is, by and large, its those under 35; particularly the hipster and yuppie crowd who are the most cold hearted and selfish, especially towards those they deem losers or bludgers.
The corporate suit types are also in that bracket. Pretty obvious tho.
Good luck with navigating the supermarket mate. It’s dog eat dog out there.
It’s very evident in Australia-the greedy rule, not OK. The situation, however, is self-limiting.
To lighten the mood I thought you and other readers might be amused by this! 😀
I’m surprised there wasn’t a security guard guarding it! Thanks J.
Somebody commented BTL on the Mail article that the lorry had probably started out on its journey with a full trailer load!
In NL, the same. The ‘funny’ thing is, they all stay at home for (self) quarantine and then all go to the supermarket to infect one another?
Not that it matters, the whole thing is a hoax, but the logic behind the panic is very dubious.
I wonder…what the heck with the toillet paper!!!???? Does it hace anti-viral properties???!!…or is it just that they re all shitting in their pants?? 🤔😷🤧
I suggest it’s the second one Ramdan, not the first! Supermarkets here in Aussie now rationing quite a few things.
It’s like war time…
It’s just bonkers M. Many people in this country have flipped.
I read earlier someone on a Facebook group I’m on overheard someone in a gym boasting that their spare room was full of toilet paper.
There are increasing numbers of people here in Australia expressing their disgust and anger at all those panic buying and hoarding.
Plenty of reports also that elderly pensioners can’t get toilet paper and some are even too scared to go into a supermarket.
This is what Neoliberalism has turned people into. Gordon Gecko on steroids.
And allegedly, Australia is ‘The land of the fair go and mateship’.
Total mythological Bullshit. Well, a lot of these people are about to experience one hell of a nasty shock.
The entire economic ponzi scheme known as Neoliberalism is about to come crashing down on all of us. In fact, it’s already begun.
Good luck Milosevic, buckle up, and hang on tight. Regards…
— likewise for you.
Just got back from the supermarket.
No baked beans, corned beef, spam, tinned peas, all the fruit and veg gone.
Shelves stripped bare like a plague of locusts.
Cashier said they were getting a daily delivery now instead of every few days.
It’s like a snowball rolling down the hill…. turning into an avalanche.
In a different suburb of Melbourne today, standing near 2 supermarkets, and it’s complete bedlam. People and cars everywhere.
Shelves being emptied here also. Yesterday went to an Asian supermarket, and there was tons of food in there – rice, noodles, tinned food, sauces of every type.
What you say is where we’re heading.
The big economic reset is coming, and the Coronavirus fear mongering is a distraction. Thanks for your words Paul.
It’s a serious mental illness inflicted on almost everyone who reads newspapepers, watches TV or goes on the internet. It also affects anyone who doesn’t who normally buys toilet paper.
The real world is more like this, which makes even grimmer reading – with people dropping dead as flies every day, and have been forever, of far more deadly diseases, so worry about that too.
“Regardless of how many people on the planet are actively aware of it, the truth is that tens of millions of people drop like flies from illness, depression and self-destruction every single day. And that’s a trend that has been ongoing for, well, a very long time. ”
About 150,000 people die every day on Earth, not ‘tens of millions’.
Closer to 200,000 given variations in mean age at death (life expectancy) and the age of the population.
Coronavirus has obviously made an impact but nobody has discovered the antidote to the Hysteria-20 virus
the antidote is knowledge.. everyone should be fully educated into how the virus works. what is meant by virus.. infection, host and the science of membrane invasion, lytic stage and the like.. and so on.. the entire narrative should be shifted (not hidden) from how many died, to what is the nature of the risk.. how does infection happen and will it be the thing that kills you.. ..cause as you say , something will. But corona virus have been around since when but the technology to understand it is present day knowledge.. that knowledge allows people to understand how to deal with it.including even the mental state of the persons dying from it. . accurate, complete, full and current Knowledge makes it easier for health care professionals to work with those impacted by it..
Closing down is necessary because the powers that be have not taken the precautions necessary to make safe people to people contact..[they would rather spend millions making machines that blow people up] working on the people to people infection prevention problem should be a global effort. How can the Grocery store be re arranged to prevent virus infections? How can patrons with the virus be detected so they can be prevented from entering a place that might infect yet another person. Prevention requires everyone to understand how infection happens, etc.
These are things that everyone can work on.. if only they understood the source of and the infection process and the inflammation following the infection .. the course of the disease, and stuff, but big bad governments wants to do it all so those that private what governments learn into private patents can make billions. .
Please don’t be offended but you have no idea what you are talking about and are merely parroting the media gibberish on this issue.
Even if you are prepared to accept the reality of COVI19, which I do not, there is nothing in the epidemiology we are being presented with to justify any quarantine measures let alone the utterly insane measures we are seeing. Even if you don’t know anything about epidemiology can you not comprehend some basic statistics?
We don’t quarantine flu with an r0 about the same as this supposed novel covi and numbers of clinical cases hugely surpassing it. We accept that more than half a million deaths will happen from flu but need to shield people from a few thousand covi deaths to the point of shutting down the whole of society.
Why would this be the case? Are you less dead if the flu kills you? The hysteria and gullibility are breathtaking.
And please do not tell me we need to act while the numbers are small, because that is our media talking through you and not your own thinking. Stop. Consider. Less than 1% of Wuhan’s population was clinically infected with this supposed novel covi. 3% of that 1% died. That is not the profile of a new killer pathogen. It is not the profile of anything you need extreme quarantine to beat. It is the profile of either a new weakly infective pathogen, or, as I strongly suspect, a known pathogen with good herd immunity. A flu virus in fact.
The first step to combatting the hysteria is to focus on infections rather than cases. This is the first “pandemic” to focus on cases and it is proving to be a complete distraction that just goes to scare the shit out of people. I’m sure this is no accident!
People should only be tested when feeling ill: identify the cause, implement the remedy as required.
Testing healthy people is just a way to frighten people, especially when the authorities know that the tests will return a certain number of false positives. It is also of zero value in determining anything: it is designed to scare people.
I cannot believe the belligerence of this corra coverage. I am looking at the MSN homepage and every fucking news item is the virus.
“Mount Everest closes because of coronavirus pandemic”
See it’s even on mountain tops!
“Dr Christian claims Italians are using Covid-19 as excuse to siesta”
See even the”cutesy” story is the corralorra!
The whole world had been reconfigured to the corralorra show.
I have simply stopped reading the MSM because it IS just blanket ‘Coronavirus’ stuff.
You can see who the spook journalists are though by the articles they have assigned their names to.
I started to wake up as far back as the mid-80s when, for the first time, I lived alone and gradually watched less and less TV. It was like coming off a drug. I could see for the first time. And the first thing I saw was how self-referential TV was i.e. a lot of programmes related to other programmes rather than the outside world.
But the problem is that when something as monomaniacal as this virus topic hits – and considering how fast the news bullshit is going – then even when you don’t watch (hell even when you’re in bed trying to sleep!) you are wondering what new bullshit is being pumped out.
st patrick’s day in IRELAND!!!!!!!
Just found this amusing vid on twitter.
Some notes on those test kits I saw you asking about on Twitter yesterday.
They don’t do antibody tests. They do a thing called PCR testing, which basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome.
The problem is the test is known to be bullshit.
It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analysed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery.
Secondly, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.
All these Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals do at best is tell the analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all.
The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like covi-19 is utter bullshit.
And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load.
If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have.
And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Like I said, everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.
If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness. Leading to false diagnosis.
And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.
Do you see where this is going yet?
If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.
They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common.
There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.
All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a corona virus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease.
Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.
You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on.
Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.
Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically.
Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people you are mislabelling – your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.
But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.
1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.
2. You can tell people that ‘minimising’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.
3. You can talk bullshittery about r0 numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience
4. You can start testing well people (who of course will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptomless cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen
Take these simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.
But why are you doing this people may ask.
Lots of reasons. Fear is useful. And a population frightened into demanding protection will accept anything you do to ‘protect’ them, up to and including nailing them into their own houses.
It can be a trial run for social control methods. To see how gullible populations are. To enforce more rigorous censorship. To inure people to shortage and uncertainty.
All these things and others are reasons.
But getting hung up on possible motive misses the point – that all the evidence points to this being the case.
Everything I am seeing points at a fake manufactured pandemic. The low numbers and attempts to inflate them with scary anecdotes and bad science, the crazy overreaction in world governments, as if the reaction itself is the point. The ridiculous numbers of famous people ‘testing positive’.
It could easily be done and it looks as if it is. In my view. But you must make up your own mind.
I think many in the virology and epidemiology line would agree, but no one is going to risk their career right now saying so in public. They might as well jump off of a bridge.
You can verify everything I have said about the PCR testing
Wait! You are using actual science to cast doubt on an official story?
How dare you!
Well said. Your comment deserves to be mentioned above the line.
One quibble: they do viral load testing for HIV with PCR (if I am informed correctly). Why does that work for HIV while not for Corona?
You might have answered your own question, Willem. Maybe it doesn’t.
If you’re interested, I’d go through some of Jon Rappoport’s older stuff.
Ok I’ll do that. Thanks.
The official answer is PCR can measure viral load if you do all the necessary and time-consuming analysis which they will not have time or money to do for this covi.
The answer everyone knows but won’t say in public is this is not true, not for covi or HIV. You can run the tests for sure but with this kind of amplification you are as likely to be measuring contamination or by products of normal metabolic processes. You will get different results from the same sample in different labs due to differently calibrated equipment, different methodologies and other immeasurable variables. You will get different results on different runs in the same lab. Effectively and brutally you can’t get any real measure of viral load with PCR. It does not work. You may be able to identify viral DNA if you are flawless in your procedures. Assessing loads is virtually impossible. It brings false hope and false fear to people. But again if anyone says that in public they are no longer employable. There is very big bucks tied up in thus even without any political considerations
Thanks for answering that question for me. Very helpful, thanks.
Thank you for that VirusGuy. Very helpful in gleaning an understanding of viruses, virus testing and how they can bodgy the story up.
Can you please answer a question that has been plaguing (pun intended) me? How do you really test for the bat flue coronavirus? Would the only certain method be a blood test?
Well, if you think that the airheads on the BBC are going to think for themselves for their £100k a year salaries, think again. All they will do is read teleprompters like parrots.
What does Fiona Bruce know about science, other than nothing? The Asian hosts of London news? Nothing. But they are spreading this propaganda unthinkingly, uncritically and with zero knowledge of what they are talking about.
Football commentators are now preaching to fans in the papers about something they know nothing, when on phone ins they claim their professional knowledge trumps legitimate questioning by members of the public. I say to football commentators: ‘you know nothing about science, so SHUT UP! I know a lot about science, worked in the field for 20 years. Biter bit, eh?’
The elite have the herd where they want them: clueless, panicky, brainless and trusting absolute codswallop.
They will be shorting stock markets, oil prices, bidding up gold and bitcoin, and quietly travelling all over the world doing exactly what they are telling the masses not to do.
Fabulous thanks VG.
It has been reported in Chinese media Global Times :
‘Chinese team has developed a rapid antibody test that can diagnose coronavirus within 15 minutes by testing a drop of blood. It can be used for the rapid screening of SARS‐CoV‐2 carriers, symptomatic or asymptomatic, in hospitals, clinics, and test labs’
What do you make of that – is it useful/usable?
I caught one headline today: “Many more will lose loved ones” and it occurred to me that this has been the big giveaway all along: the breathless pronouncements of doom delivered with absolute certainty. They are not telling you what MIGHT happen. They are telling you what WILL happen i.e. something they cannot possibly know unless they are following a script.
It’s been apparent for a long time that hospitals work to an active agenda of ‘seeing off’ elderly patients who make the mistake, willingly or otherwise, of entering their hallowed premises. Add to that the significant number of elderly bed blockers. Well, coronavirus can now help resolve these problems, with no questions asked.
Many old people have no real quality of life. They are kept alive for their relatives, or some of them, while often seeking a surcease of suffering. The medical industry opposes euthanasia mostly on economic terms, as great sums are to be made from useless interventions in the last weeks of life. Others are religious zealots.
it is a fact that many dissenters blog commenters non believers in the status quo will contract and pass.
luckily because of data base harvesting gchq and target all the infected and holocause them as has happened in china
for the safety of the hive the trouble makes criticull thinkers must be sanitised
Corona crisis economic crisis – listen to David Stockman
Haven’t watched the vid yet, but just to want to comment that I haven’t seen any evidence that solidly proofs that Covid 19 is the deadly virus that it is supposed to be, and since extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence I remain sceptical.
But Willem, staying rational and demanding evidence is “irresponsible”! Citing data is just inviting more deaths.
It’s like fairies. Every time you say you don’t believe in the corona virus another victim dies! Why are you letting people die, Willem? What’s wrong with you? Be afraid! By a mask that doesn’t work! And trust the men from the government no matter what they say!
It doesn’t matter how staged some of the ‘hospital’ photos look or how many inordinate numbers of celebs test positive, or how dodgy the kits might sound, or how much agenda is tied up in the fear porn, I intend to keep believing – because it saves lives!!!
Oh and also, if I stop now I have to admit I’d been conned and that will make me feel silly. So I ain’t doing that!
I intend to keep believing – because it saves capitalism!!!
All true, but especially problematic is this part
‘ Oh and also, if I stop now I have to admit I’d been conned and that will make me feel silly. So I ain’t doing that!’
People who have been fooled should no that there is no shame in being fooled. The shame lies completely in those who deliberately fool others. But perhaps if you believe the story enough you will fool others since you think the story is true.
Perhaps that happened with MoA, of whom I find it difficult to believe that he is a sheep dog. The same MoA was BTW also fooled by the Kashoggi murder, which was also a jumping to conclusion meme as in
Or as with Covid 19
Conclusion: we are going to die from bat flu
Or as the lovely Carl Sagan explains as how you can make dinosaurs out of no observation
Jumping to conclusions is a very prevalent fallacy and does explain in full the current scare on Covid 19
After purchasing a fluffy ivory colored winter coat I noticed a small label sewn into its seam describing the fabrics contents. The label said 97 percent wool, with three percent “unknown fibers.” I wondered how fibers could be unknown. Did this mysterious substance come from a strange and mystical source, a distant exotic land, or acquired from an exploratory space mission–whatever…..
COVID-19 is like the mysterious unknown fibers on that Ivory winter coat. Its origin is unknown. We’re told it surfaced from a wet market in Wuhan transmitted by culprit bats. Those testy placental mammals responsible for sars, rabies, and Ebola. However, that’s just one theory, other opinions have been posited. Some say it was harvested in a lab and it cleverly escaped, others say it was escorted out of the lab with the door held wideopen. In China, the government blames the US Army Labs for birthing this contagion, but Americans believe this virus was manufactured in China along with all the other Walmart crap.
Panic, Panic, everywhere hysteria is running wild. Baby boomers thinking they’re going to die. Believing COVID-19 will be the happenstance to their final circumstance. When all is said and done, some conclusions can be reached about a virus sinisterly spewed but then harnessed for political expediency.
The guileful malicious usually have multiple intents. Here’s a list of suppositions:
1. The virus is testing social control mechanisms. How populations react to panic. How much personal liberty will groups sacrifice for safety……
2. The effectiveness of a weaponized virus is determined based on how rapidly it’s transmitted throughout specific populations.
3. COVID-19 supplies the rationale for a collapsing economy which was already on the verge of collapse.
4. The panic pandemic is conveniently being deployed to expedite Trump’s departure proving he’s
incapable of dealing with a crisis. Russia and Ukraine-gate is no longer front and center on the state-run mainstream media news–now it’s nonstop COVID-19. The hysteria is heightened daily. Claiming civilization as we know it is being devastated by an upper-respiratory infection….
It’s a little odd, that the frenetic cable news commentators overlook the 40,000 deaths annually caused by the “ordinary” flu and the 35,000 who cease to exist from curable illnesses. I guess, when a disease infects affluent baby boomers everyone sits up and takes notice.
All very true except for two things
1. Trump isn’t going anywhere. The US isn’t a democracy. Presidents are appointed and elections are rigged for show. Trump was picked over Hillary last time, probably because someone realised last minute she was just too insane to control. If the Establishment wanted Trump gone thus time they wouldn’t be putting Biden up against him. They think he has another four years in him.
2. You don’t need a virus to do all that stuff. You just need the story of a virus, and that’s what we have.
The voting machines are primed and ready for every contingency…….
But baby boomers can’t die!
They eat brown rice!
(I suppose a modern version of that old gag would be “…. they’re vegans!”)
Seriously, perhaps the global ptb took one look at how Brexit had dominated and paralysed British politic for 3 1/2 years and realised that a global deadly virus would be equally effective everywhere.
Here’s another supposition, Charlotte –
5. It’s all a diabolical plot to prevent Liverpool FC winning the title and having a big parade. After one of the greatest seasons ever …
In the US they did cancel all major professional sporting event’s, or they’re conducting them without an audience.
In China, the government blames the US Army Labs for birthing this contagion
do you have a reference for that?
if true, it should be widely publicized.
I’ve had people tell me the Chinese made it in order to control their population. They may not have bat flue yet, but they’re certainly bat shit crazy.
One need only read of the activities of Shiro Ishii and Unit 731 in China, during the Japanese aggression (the descriptions of live dissection, ie vivisection, of human victims, illustrate that they surpassed in barbarity anything Mengele et al got up to)and the total impunity to prosecution granted them by the USA, in exchange for their ‘research findings’ into bio-warfare, in China, to know that the USA is quite capable of anything. That they used that research in Korea, in the Korean War, in the bio-warfare campaign that they still mendaciously deny to today, only confirms it.
The reaction of the racist and Sinophobic hard Right here in Australia has been rabid. I listened to two well brainwashed bogans on the bus yesterday, one an alcoholic long gone towards Wernicke-Korsakoff Syndrome, I would say, and the sheer viciousness of the hatred of China was breath-taking. Decades of ruthless hate-mongering are bearing their fruit.
‘baby boomers’ indeed. Here is the news…. This and other faintly pejorative sobriquets i.e. slackers, generation x, millenials etc. ad infinitum, are deployed as a divide and rule tactic. Best used sparingly, if ever.
Can we still manufacture Soylent Green out of walking dead Zombies infected with COVID-19, or what?
good question – I was just recently (and unfortunately) in conversation with one of these “things” – an arrogant, overbearing and bitter ego that at every other time, i’d not be within any contagious distance of whatsoever – it was during this brief and painful exchange that I began to envision a Virus – how it straddles somewhere between life and death – unconscious – it feels nothing until woken by sapping the goodness from others, replacing it with its own deathly, limitless contamination…..”How funny” I thought, I didn’t even need a microscope.
“Daddy? Is the world gonna end?”
“Shut up. Can’t you see I’m taking a selfie”
President Trump restricts travel from Europe due to coronavirus pandemic
US scaling up its response to coronavirus certain to cause further shockwaves around the world
In a Europe Closed Down by the Coronavirus the EU Opens its Doors to the US Army. Could the Defender become the Invader of Europe?
30, 000 soldiers arrive in Europe without masks
A Pandemic – and 30,000 US Troops to Europe (Without Masks)
History repeating itself.
“We’re coming over
We’re coming over
And we won’t come back
Till it’s over over there!”
That really takes the cake.
The coronavirus pandemic is, in reality, a “pandemic live exercise” following Event 201, a “pandemic tabletop exercise” in October.
COVID-19 couldn’t be isolated even if it existed.
What is the gold standard if it isn’t antibody testing, PCR or clinical diagnosis?
From commenter Tony:
The ‘gold standard’ is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not PCR or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such).
This will never happen (short of a miracle!) because of the various constraints imposed on mainstream virologists and microbiologists. So yes, no isolated virus = no gold standard of comparison for any genetic material found, therefore no coronavirus and no COVID-19 per se apart from opportunistic infections that are common and pneumonia grouped under that acronym to ‘fit the frame’.
You can debate this issue till the cows come home but only concrete scientific proof of this virus and proof of its ability to cause disease with proper controls, will determine the truth of the matter leaving aside all of the other possible issues discussed on this thread including, Psyops, false flag, as a silent weapon to see how the population will react for even worse things to come, and all the other ifs, and buts and whys and wherefores.
So what will happen with Chelsea do you reckon? Will she do a Jeffrey? Let’s see how ridiculous they make that if that happens. OMG! Can you image the outpourings if poor little Chelsea kills herself. Will they do it, I wonder? The utter travesty. I think they might.
Should’ve read beyond the headline. They’re going to release Chelsea and make her supporters pay her $250,000 worth of fines. Doncha love it? What a chortle they’ll have over that.
You’re correct on this one Petra. I 100% agree with you and you’re one of only a few talking real sense
Is the test for COVID-19 a test for antibodies?
The purpose of a vaccination is to cause your body to develop antibodies so that if you come in contact with the pathogen your body is already protected by antibodies to it. Thus if a vaccine is developed that causes your body to develop antibodies to COVID-19, then when you are tested after showing symptoms it will be concluded that you have the disease COVID-19. It seems I have heard a similar story somewhere before, HIV anyone?
It’s not an antibody test, it’s a PCR test. I made a lengthy post about it just now. The PCR is less reliable than an antibody test. In fact it’s pretty much useless for diagnostics and wasn’t developed for such
VirusGuy, I’m just wondering about your use of “osteogenesis” in another comment which I can’t find now. Can you please explain how it relates to viruses. My impression is that the word relates to bone formation but even if it does it may still be relevant or there may be some other explanation for it. Can you please elucidate.
“And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.”
That’s the impression I get. We are given instructions on how to wash our hands that are so ludicrously intricate that I don’t see how anyone (far less everyone) can keep washing that way. We are also being told not to touch our faces. And we are being advised to “self-isolate” at the hint of a cough or shortness of breath i.e. pretty common experiences. It seems to me that these instructions are designed to have us leaping through hoops that are impossibly high to avoid an illness that cannot possibly be contained if it truly is as it is described. In short: a perfect way to terrify the populace into submission.
Your observation on the fraud of PCR testing is correct. See my comment made earlier. It’s long but needs to be read in entirety. No one in the system will admit to the level of fraud being perpetrated as of now, but many are aware and concerned.
Very sane analysis from James Corbett.