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WATCH: How to Practice Proper Social Distancing – #PropagandaWatch In the latest episode of PW James Corbett breaks down how the media program responses, and considers the “new normal”

“We are being told to flatten the curve by practising social distancing. We are being told to quarantine shame those who break the new societal taboos. So how exactly do you introduce entirely new cultural norms across much of the world in the space of just a few weeks? Watch and learn.”

Links, sources and show notes, plus an audio-only version are available here. James has done some great work on the coronavirus outbreak, we also highly recommend “Medical Martial Law” and “How is Japan Reacting to the Crisis?”.

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Cheryl L Moreau
Cheryl L Moreau
Apr 28, 2020 4:21 PM

Thank you so much you are spot on and I am sharing as much as I can. We are so divided and the government is accomplishing what they intend. People do not research and just follow what they are told. Thanks again

Binra
Binra
Mar 27, 2020 7:40 PM

The Pharma industry is an extension of the axis of Oil cartels
It used to be called Rockefeller medicine.
Old Bill Rockefeller et al used ‘philanthropy’ to starve and sideline empiric medicine (practice that people chose because they had reason to believe it worked), but retained a personal private homeopath. While uncovering the suppressed history from the victor’s propaganda is disturbing, it is also opening the way to arts and sciences that embody relational integrity instead of possession and control of a segregative elitism set over managed fear.

When a ‘Fear and Control’ agenda weaponises the Medical Imperative for (geo) political leverage, it opens the door to re-evaluate the medical model and the integrity of medical institutions. The phrase ‘settled science’ and ‘scientific consensus’ would only hold a current state of affairs if the door is open to acknowledge any lack of consent or challenge to the model or hypothesis. Vested interests operate to make science inoperable except in little pockets that find ways to lev under the radar or in some sense survive despite being walled out or lacking funding.

I find a lot of interesting documents on http://whale.to
– but for discernment and not blind trust.
Just because Pharma is corrupt does not make anti-Pharma ‘virtuous’.

The mind largely works upon a network of presumptions taken on trust, as well as using terms and phrasing that is accepted to mean something but used to mean something else – often opposite to the asserted apparent meaning. Like healthcare…

The hypothesis of ‘virus’ or exosome (extracellular communication and exchange) represents a legitimate function within biology, but fear-infected thinking projects a fight-flight binary exclusion onto anything and everything, operating invisibly as the interpreting lens through which we think we ‘see’.

Fear, locks down, self isolates and demands or generates defences to protect the fear from growing out of control, and so limits everything to the controllable by setting offlimits – as banned, denied and censored thought and speech ruled out as a no go area.

The ‘everything is connected’ and nothing is really separate’ recognition – is an ‘Open System’ in which multiple and diverse seemingly closed systems arise and operate in synergy that includes both harmony and dissonance or balanced and unbalanced states.

The opening or Disclosure of a closed-system mind to the already context of a greater Communication is likely to trigger the re-opening or re-enacting of Separation fears that are otherwise masked over by personal and societal masking.

I appreciate James Corbett for maintaining a life-positive commentary on this CV issue and many others, that all have an underlying connection in the ‘fear-control’ of a narrative shenanigan – that is also associated with mass ritual sacrifice. We note overt war and covert violence but few pick up on the official third leading cause of death in USA/UK and I don’t doubt other ‘developed’ nations. I suspect it is in truth the leading cause of death – but – But – BUT I also hold that any designated CAUSE of death is a gross simplification or reduction of a complex of negative synergies to a narrative that fits its current operating system.

Death by pneumonia – by all causes – and there are various paths that can lead there is increasing. Breath and spirit were once the same word and meaning.
Breathing is something we take for granted – as a sort of given that we don’t have to gratefully receive. Many mind calming practices for opening presence focus or centre in breath. When fear disturbs the heart and conflicts the mind, breathing loses its rhythm and resonance. The experience of being breathed by Life is an extraordinary intimacy in the ordinary moment.

I see the disclosure of us to ourselves happening in a way that part of us rebels against by all and any means at all or any costs because it carries a sense of extinction of life as we know or control it. If the false centre is undone of the possessive illusion of control, where do you stand in, and be from?

Without some spark of faith or intuition of Life beyond our mapping in image and thought, is a closed system in its own death spiral hell bent on taking victory from the ruins.

The cell, the self, the planet, the star, the galaxy – are all unique expressions of an Open System – for want of better words. But simply being the love that you are – just because … is the resonance that aligns you in what is truly addressed to you. Before killing the Messengers, give them a chance to communicate the information that will serve the seemingly closed system by a relational expansion that holds order while also holding for the conditions in which life flourishes from its Root – rather than being factory ‘grown’ biogenetically as the logical outcome of total food control.

I have met gestapo-like barking from the fear-possessed. But a willingness to not identify in reaction allowed seeing and feeling the fear in their heart, and then extending that recognition with hardly a glance, and knowing it was received. The Messengers from the Master are what the ‘tenant farmers’ killed, in the parable – in fear of losing what they had come to think was theirs alone.

jcasey
jcasey
Mar 27, 2020 7:19 PM

Agree with everything he says, which vitally important. But this gives us the “what” of the operation, but what about the “who”? Who exactly is doing this? I assume there is at least one “war room” in a private industry cutout somewhere pushing these messages — everything from changing the statistics on the Spanish Flu in Wikipedia to align it with COV19 to having four respected doctors push an article in Lancet advocating for a fraudulent method of counting deaths to make COV19 look more deadly than it is–but where is that room and who funds it? There have to be people out there who have personal knowledge of the various compartments of the psyop, and there have to be a handful of people who have been read-in to the entirety of the op. Can someone reverse engineer this op to trace it’s origins. Certainly Gates would have been in a compartment, and Soros will likely be part of it. But who else?

Vivian J
Vivian J
Mar 27, 2020 2:24 PM

Well, Boris Johnson himself and the health secretary Matt Hancock have supposedly tested positive for this disease. Like everything else surrounding this you have take it with large pinch of salt if not directly calling it out as BS. (Boris did look a bit puffy faced whilst reassuring the nation that he only had mild symptoms, but nothing new there…)

Seriously, I am waiting for a big celebrity ‘death’ in relation to this just to put the icing on the cake. Perhaps it will even be a senior royal, after all ‘corona’ means crown. (Failing that a leading cast member – one of the longstanding actors – of Corona(tion) Street). The ‘deceased’ royal personage will then be whisked away to a plush bunker or other secluded location where they can live out their days. They will even be able to revel in media coverage of their death and even raise a glass of Corona (beer) whilst watching their own funeral, their coffin carried on a gun carriage through empty streets headed by a few Royal Household cavalry officers the requisite 2 metres apart.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 3:57 PM
Reply to  Vivian J

The first thing I thought whaen I heard about Boris was: “Oh God they’re not trying that one!” Large pinch of salt – indeed let’s get Biblical and take it with a pillar of salt. It sounds like the old “See – your leader really is fighting beside you in the trenches!” trick.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 4:05 PM
Reply to  George Mc

After all – this isn’t the kind of image that Boris wants to promote:

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 27, 2020 7:15 PM
Reply to  Vivian J

Shirley it can’t be long before Phil the Kraut Greek joins the choir invisible?

axisofoil
axisofoil
Mar 27, 2020 7:50 AM

The British Medical Journal explains how the CDC lies
https://www.bmj.com/content/331/7529/1412.full

axisofoil
axisofoil
Mar 27, 2020 4:35 AM

I have forwarded this talk to min 1:20
The whole thing is worth watching
https://youtu.be/E_gMT4_PDJI?t=4800

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 27, 2020 9:32 AM
Reply to  axisofoil

We weren’t all locked down in 2019?
Or 2017? Or earlier? Were we all put under martial law when the Swine Flu occurred? Nope. That clip was very enlightening, thanks A.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 9:53 AM
Reply to  axisofoil

Excellent analysis and reporting. In a nutshell. Should be compulsory viewing for Boris Johnson et al and should be broadcast on mainstream TV…but it won’t be, I have no doubt.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 27, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  axisofoil

Many thanks for that. Proves that, as some of us already thought, the world has gone completely mad at the moment (and unfortunately not in the “I’m mad as hell, and I’m not going to take this any more”, but in the “insane” sense).

I just got back from southern France yesterday. There is “lockdown” there as well of course, but while I was effectively self-isolating in the house where we were staying, another member of the household was shopping every few days, and while there were some shortages, he didn’t seem to have any major problems.

So, today was my first attempt to shop in lockdown-UK. I was shocked to find the car park in my local Waitrose, chock full of shoppers, carefully spaced out at the regulation 2 metres. The queue extended out of the car park, and right around the building. It didn’t quite encircle it, but it wasn’t far off. The queue wasn’t moving, but I think these middle class virtue-signallers were enjoying their hardship, at least the ones near the front. After all the weather was nice. We’ll see how it goes when the rain and wind come back.

I gave up and tried to do a few things in town, only one of which was successful (drop off a letter to a bank), then drove out to our huge out of Town Tesco, just to see what the score was. Just as bad if not worse. I didn’t stay. I found a small convenience type store in a more proletarian area. There were no restrictions getting in, but the 2 metres were enforced at the checkout. People here seemed less patient, and I heard comments implying that they thought it was unnecessary. One young man (who only wanted cider) actually got quite stroppy, although still got served. Another slightly larger local store I later visited, which had more choice, had similar arrangements, which seemed to work quite well.

Well, while people seem to be content to be pushed around for now (I think some people actively like it, and we know certain people definitely like pushing around other people), I don’t see it lasting. Just say you are queuing in the car park and the heavens open, and it’s also freezing. Do you grit your teeth and stay there, or run for your car or shelter, and lose your place in the queue that you’ve been in for an hour? I can see deaths by pneumonia rising, caused not by the bloody virus but by standing in freezing rain for hours.

Mire - Tracking
Mire - Tracking
Mar 27, 2020 2:30 AM

Certainly the number of infections in any given country is much much higher than those published ones.
The strong and very simple reason is: People suffering from the exact Covid-19 symptoms are forbidden from having a test if they hadn’t been overseas or if they haven’t been in contact with a CONFIRMED case.

Please note the importance of ‘Conformed case’, which means the PRIORITY is to TRACK the disease. The lesson is: TRACKING, where the disease is spreading, is far more important than looking after patients.

This is the OFFICIAL line: They will look after the patient ONLY in near death situation.

Mire
Mire
Mar 27, 2020 2:23 AM

No more videos of pretty Chinese girls chomping on terrible bats!

What is the probability of patient zero was an American soldier?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 27, 2020 10:48 AM
Reply to  Mire

never fear, soon we’ll be presented with videos of terrible bats chomping on pretty Chinese girls.

be very afraid.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 7:32 AM
Reply to  Mire

The video was taken in Palau, not China.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 9:26 PM

My hope at the moment is that people will get bored of all of these death stats. The numbers are so small, but it’s just so easy to manipulate people with them.

I don’t want to spend the rest of my life waiting each day to see how many geriatrics had a coronavirus in their system when they died. And hiding inside or dodging police while going for a walk or going to the shops outside.

I am sure public attitudes to this will change, but how quickly and in what direction I just do not know.

At what point (if ever) are people going to say, “Hey, why don’t we go outside and start living again, instead of hiding inside and living in fear?”

I’m concerned at the moment that this circus could end up going on forever. One of my favorite sayings is:

“this too shall pass”

I do my best to keep that in mind.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 26, 2020 8:34 PM

Mr Corbett is right. Imagine if you could go back just a month ago and tell everyone this scenario:

That somebody would get up in extreme moral indignation and say something like, “GOOD GOD! LOOK OVER THERE! PEOPLE OUT AND ABOUT! ACTUALLY OUTSIDE! SOME OF THEM WERE EVEN TOUCHING EACH OTHER! MORONS! BLOODY MORONS! SHOOT THE BASTARDS!”

Everyone would chuckle and say, “Well that guy would have to be psychotic. What a fucking fruit bat!” And you’d say, “It isn’t just one person. It’s tons. It’s perhaps even the majority.” And everyone would say, “Well thank God we’ll never live in a world like that!”

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 8:50 PM
Reply to  George Mc

He is. This clip from the Simpsons was posted this afternoon by Peter Hitchens. We were warned:

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 26, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

The nudge is strong with Murdochs Simpsons – it is part of the full spectrum perception management mind washing. They hooked a lot of kids who are adults now with such ‘entertainment’.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 8:19 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Brilliant! I’d so love to put that on my Facebook page but I know I’d become an object of hatred and almost certainly lose my job.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 26, 2020 9:23 PM
Reply to  George Mc

How things have rapidly changed in mere weeks.
I’m actually having a ‘mental health day’ off… and self isolating at home away from the madness with lots of music, chocolate, and coffee, because after yesterday being yelled at for daring to cough in public, and with every 3rd person wearing a face mask, and others running round like Stasi collaborators. WTF indeed George.
Will check out video clips from Truthstream Media and the like, check out some of the many links I’ve seen here, and keep educating myself…

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 9:44 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I can remember only about a month ago driving in my city and seeing some Chinese students wearing face masks. I though how silly. It all seems so long ago now.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 26, 2020 10:32 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

There were quite a few here wearing facemasks during the Australian bushfires, coz the air quality in Melbourne was horrendous, as it was all over Australia, but this is just….
John Steppling had photos of the President Of Slovakia meeting Maggot Macron, all wearing facemasks, and the caption was…’The new face of Fascism’

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 7:34 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Wearing a face mask is very common in East Asia in winter. It is designed to protect others if you are unwell. If you think that thinking of others is ‘silly’, then I’m shocked.

Loverat
Loverat
Mar 26, 2020 10:10 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah

I always love reading your posts.

Good always prevails and plenty on this site.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 26, 2020 10:26 PM
Reply to  Loverat

Likewise yours Loverat. It seems this site is one of the few sane Islands left on the great cyber ocean.
Heaps of commenters posting links to all sorts of sites, and noted a few mentions of American Herald Tribune which I’ll check out today on my self imposed day off. Some very interesting video clips also.
Maybe it’s the huge volume of traffic at OffG now, but noticed am getting notifications of some replies (you, Crank, Sgt Oddball) but trawling thru the very long threads, a few others who replied, didn’t get notifications of theirs.
Saw Sabelmouse had noticed the same thing and one or two others also.
Take it ezy, don’t let the bastards grind you down, regards✌️😁

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Mar 27, 2020 1:50 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Hope your ‘lots of music’ included Beethoven, GP. If you’re not a classical music fan, give him a try. A long-gone family friend used to say that Beethoven gives you strength. That proved to be good advice.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 27, 2020 5:55 AM

Er, hello CM. My music dosn’t include Beethoven…. But close!
Try these bands: Ana Never, Hammock, Whale Fall and Yndi Halda
Listening to the first one now, album called Small Years. Hey, you may be surprised!
Just found out this arvo, that The Big Issue mag in Australia has been suspended indefinately… could be for 1 month, could be 3 months. So all of a sudden, I have zero income. Am a New Zealand citizen, so not entitled to welfare in Aussie.
All the many many people who have lost their jobs because of this… Well add me, and every other Big Issue vendor to that list. Have a good evening CM✌️

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Mar 28, 2020 3:16 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I’m appalled that you have been left without an income, GP. Presumably, you have made all possible enquiries about accessing our utterly inadequate ‘safety net’? I thought reciprocal arrangements were in place re Aust and NZ citizens?

Our free local paper has just announced that it will continue to appear weekly but each letterbox will only receive every second copy – presumably running out of delivery persons. All reductions in productive activity have damaging multiplier effects and need to stop NOW and be reversed.

Please stay positive and hang in.

Kind regards. CM.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 28, 2020 4:24 AM

I really appreciate your words CM. Reciprocal arrangements? Howard tore them up. Any Kiwi that came here after Feb 2001 can legally live here (we get a special visa) and yes, we are allowed a Medicare card, but financial assistance?
We are allowed 6 months dole payments After being here 10 years. Then that’s it…. Nix, Nada, Nothing. Zero.
A lot of Kiwi’s, maybe 200,000 will be in the same boat. We work here, pay our taxes here, but if we lose a job, that’s it.
I found all this out after I lost my factory job in early 2009. And yeah, tried every avenue, incl seeing Federal senator immigration lawyer, etc.
There are thousands of Kiwi’s suing the Australian Govt in a class action. You’ve probably heard Kiwi’ s are increasingly being deported if they spent time in jail… even if it was 15-20 years ago. Some were being sent to Christmas Island or Manus first. Some who came here as children are being forcibly deported to NZ. A lot of Aussies don’t know any of this. This is way off topic, so will stop now, but thanks for your reply…

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Mar 29, 2020 4:13 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I knew some of this stuff, GP (ex-prisoners being booted back to NZ, even if they no longer had friends/relatives living there). But I didn’t know about the damnable ‘welfare’ cuts. Sounds just like Howard. For him, two payoffs: spend less on the masses & promote xenophobia (even against our first cousins, the Kiwis).

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 29, 2020 6:47 AM

Yep, a lot of Kiwi’s in the same boat. Met a guy from Wellington last year here in Melbourne, worked for 7 years at a company, paid taxes here, company went bankrupt, lost his job, now sleeping on a friends sofa.
When I tell some of my customers, they’re pretty surprised, most don’t know.
So many comments on this site now… over 450 – 550 on the one article!
Really grateful that we still have OffG to come on. It seems like a distant memory when they published a story, and there’d be like 40 comments…
I’m going to spend at least the next day or more going more deeply into the many links provided on these articles, and videos like at Truthstream Media, Propaganda Watch, etc. Have a good week CM😁

Vivian J
Vivian J
Mar 26, 2020 8:26 PM

Mind-control and the Corona-virus (link for those who want a peek behind the curtain).

https://gematriaeffect.news/mind-control-and-the-psychological-aspect-of-the-corona-virus/

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Mar 26, 2020 9:44 PM
Reply to  Vivian J

Garbage analysis.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 9:43 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Well let’s hear yours then.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 26, 2020 8:17 PM

Yes – every jumped up little prefect, every supercilious sneak, every resentful reactionary, every sanctimonious moralist is jumping on this virus as a wonderful opportunity to rat everyone else in!

But today I stood in one of those spaced out queues like a funeral march on the moon and there were folks in face masks and it all looked like something out of Fahrenheit 451. But when people started chatting, it was a different atmosphere and then it struck ne that the actual social aspect was something that our vicious overlords have no control over. That is why they must impose those “waxwork of horror” displays. Pure visual intimidation.

And the latest I’ve heard is of cancer patients being cast aside while the NHS struggles to cope with the common cold. And some taking advantage of the 12 week absence by deliberately coughing a lot for a nice little break.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 26, 2020 8:24 PM
Reply to  George Mc

And the guy in front of me in the zombie march had a phone call. Here’s what he said into the phone: “No…no… I’m still at the chemist ….no ….well tell him he can stick his fucking job up his fucking arse!”

Remember that line. You’ll be hearing it a lot.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 26, 2020 9:55 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I believe you rat people ‘out’, not ‘in’.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 9:44 AM

You rat them in to the authorities.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 27, 2020 10:02 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Rat them out / Turn them in ? Same side, guys.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 12:27 PM
Reply to  JohnB

How about: shop them? After all it’s the only shopping you can do these days.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 27, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  JohnB

Alternatively, grass them up.

RobG
RobG
Mar 26, 2020 7:37 PM

I wouldn’t trust James Corbett further than I can spit, because he’s always been a shill for the nuclear power industry and denies that Fukushima is any kind of a problem (it’s actually the biggest problem in human history; but these people wouldn’t lie to you, would they…)

Some latest Fukushima news, for anyone interested:

Fukushima’s Three Nuclear Meltdowns Are “Under Control”: That’s a Lie

Abe pushing idea that Fukushima nuclear disaster is ‘under control’

Voices of Fukushima power plant disaster victims strengthens call to ban nuclear energy

The psychopaths who run Japan are probably relieved that the total joke that is the 2020 Tokyo Olympics
has been postponed.

Oh, and don’t forget to clap tonight, whilst you’re all dying from cancer.

Mire
Mire
Mar 27, 2020 1:52 AM
Reply to  RobG

“.. Fukushima nuclear disaster is ‘under control’”

Well this is the play on using the language. The latest assurances say the nuclear disaster is under control TO BE resolved in 44 years from now.

Our mind is under assault by language hypocrites.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 7:37 AM
Reply to  Mire

Forty-four years? There’ll be no-one left in 2064 to marvel at the accomplishment, and Fukushima will go on melting away for millennia.

Watt
Watt
Mar 26, 2020 7:31 PM

Cancel the below request. I just found it. Tks

Watt
Watt
Mar 26, 2020 7:28 PM

Earlier today there was a link posted to a gov.uk page wherein the covid 19 bug was downgraded fron a HighConsequence Infectious Disease(HCID) on 19/03/2020. I can no longer find the link on this page, or indeed on the gov.uk page. Could the poster please repost.

Thanks
Watt

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 7:31 PM
Reply to  Watt
Watt
Watt
Mar 27, 2020 3:12 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Thanks John. Extremely useful info, as it happens.

RobG
RobG
Mar 26, 2020 6:36 PM

Kim Iversen last night did a long livestream, presenting much the same facts that Off G has been presenting.

Today Iversen has been attacked relentlessly…

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 7:01 PM
Reply to  RobG

Thanks, I didn’t know about her.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 26, 2020 11:09 PM
Reply to  RobG

She is finally catching on but she will not see it in the one dimensional world view.

A line is 1D. Left and Right is put on a line.
REALISING they are the SAME is the first step of waking from a dream.
But that will not happen unless one understands WHY they are the same. To do that one needs to first see the two dimensional version of that line. And then the 3rd and yes even the 4th (time).

Then and only then will Kim and anyone who is not already privy to such truth by virtue of birth , see that the only real and ancient truth of the human condition is a constant battle for freedom from slavery that almost all humans ever were born into.

The virus crackdown is just the ancient slaveowners way of ratcheting down on the slave rebellion. We are all spartacus in the cuckoos nest.
We have been bred for hundreds of generations to succombe when they crack the whip. They occasionally give a little but within a few generations take more back.

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Mar 26, 2020 6:16 PM

Mentioned earlier, here’s the Guadrian report on the scumbag police abusing their powers, and yes, using drones!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/uk-police-use-drones-and-roadblocks-to-enforce-lockdown

bob
bob
Mar 26, 2020 6:34 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

when’s the fight back going to happen?

non
non
Mar 26, 2020 6:39 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Wait, what….The Guardian are reporting on somewhere else in England outside of London ??

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 26, 2020 9:04 PM
Reply to  non

Must have been by one of their foreign correspondents.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 26, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

From the ‘sacrifice zone’.

RobG
RobG
Mar 26, 2020 6:44 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

You-couldn’t- make- it -up.

But in two or three weeks time there’s going to be a mass realisation of what’s going on here.

Hunker down, folks. Things aren’t going to be pretty.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 26, 2020 11:33 PM
Reply to  RobG

Even sooner, I think Rob. Despite the hypnotic/emotionally blackmailing/fear-laden msm, people don’t just lose the brains they were born with, overnight.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 26, 2020 7:01 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

When are they going to stop BBC propagandists going to work.

If there is one bunch who are entirely ‘NON-ESSENTIAL’ workers, it is that bunch of spongeing catastrophists who are enthusiastically throwing 20 million enforced license payors under an economic bus.

I personally wish to assign 40% of all suicides to a corporate genocide action against BBC and its ‘journalists’ and I want the most prominent defendants to be all the teleprompt readers on national and regional news. Add in Hugh Pym, healthcare ‘correspondent’, as a special case.

It really is so repulsive how the BBC can behave like this. Anyone would think they were paid for by Murdoch, the Barclay Brothers or the EU?

Mire
Mire
Mar 27, 2020 1:55 AM
Reply to  Alan Tench

They don’t acquire drones for nothing, do they?

Steve
Steve
Mar 27, 2020 10:50 AM
Reply to  Alan Tench

I liked the YouTube comment that says-
Flying a drone miles from anywhere to spy on innocent people – Not Essential.

jay
jay
Mar 26, 2020 5:56 PM

Just an anecodotal story…
This morning just before 9 am, there was a massive queue of 20 or 30 people at one of the two Chemists in my small town. I remember joking with them when I went by “you’ll catch your death of cold” and “you wouldn’t want to be sick waiting in this queue”. Grim smiles from everyone, I guess they must’ve thought “what a tube”.
I went home and we had breakfast.
Anyway, later on breaking the Boris curfew fatwa, this was my second time out to the shops…I found myself back in Aldi, I had forgot to get beans…The bigmouth serving on the till next to mine, shouted “Look, everyone, He’s been in more than once”! I shouted back, “it’s for my neighbour, do you want an old Dear to starve”?
He would have been the nasty sort of person that asked Peter if He knew Christ before the Cock crowed…I didn’t feel as guilty as Peter would’ve in His three denials….
I digress…back to the main thrust as the pope said to the bishop…
Being a virus denier, I next went into Farmfoods, they have 100 gram aeros for 69p. The temptation for mint aero was too much not to risk corono death or the wrath of Bozo.
So, I was finally waiting on the appointed and marked spot, just ahead of the death zone. It was 2meters at least but I still couldn’t help overhearing the conversation the till lady was having with Jean who works in the other chemist, the one that didn’t have the queue…
“That Bloody Doctors Surgery, we tell them and tell them not to keep sending everyone round to the same chemist”!
Is this intentional, are they making more trouble? Every little helps after all according to Trashco.
If I am going mad, you can tell me, I can take it.

SteveEss
SteveEss
Mar 26, 2020 7:28 PM
Reply to  jay

A truly classic post, Jay…!

Thank you…

SteveEss
SteveEss
Mar 26, 2020 7:30 PM
Reply to  SteveEss

And my friend, you are not going mad… I know it feels like that, but it’s actually called ‘enlightenment’… Welcome… 😉

jay
jay
Mar 26, 2020 11:46 PM
Reply to  SteveEss

Took the red pill a while back…
The truth has set me free.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 26, 2020 8:21 PM
Reply to  jay

I remember joking with them when I went by “you’ll catch your death of cold” and “you wouldn’t want to be sick waiting in this queue”. Grim smiles from everyone, I guess they must’ve thought “what a tube”.

Today they’re thinking that. Tomorrow they’ll be gunning for you. Literally.

jay
jay
Mar 26, 2020 11:50 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Yup, they’ll fight to defend their prison.

Paul
Paul
Mar 27, 2020 9:54 PM
Reply to  jay

I’m quite sure you are very deluded. I feel sure there is no geopolitical conspiracy going on between your GP and a local chemist. Who would organise that sort of thing? And why?!

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 26, 2020 5:48 PM

Yesterday I posted a quote – with link – regarding the Oxford Study claiming that perhaps half of the UK population has already been exposed to Covid-19 – to a comment thread at ‘The Guardian’. My only addition was to type ‘Good News’, which it is, as it automatically vastly reduces hospitalization and mortality rates.

My comment was deleted 5 minutes later for violating ‘community standards’.

Today the Guardian has an article on “Can we trust the Oxford Study”

I haven’t read it yet, but I can guess what the answer is.

non
non
Mar 26, 2020 6:57 PM
Reply to  clickkid

If you’d posted about life on the breadline post-fine art degree and how mad you are about gentrification in ‘insert generic inner city areas’ (St Pauls, Easton, Brixton, Hackney), not because you want to be hip but because you really do care about ordinary people and rent intensification, they would of likely kept your post up.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 26, 2020 7:03 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Why are you surprised? The Guardian could give consultancy to Erich Honecker about press freedom destruction….

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 5:16 PM

Returning from the countryside this afternoon I noted that the park-and-ride notice had been changed:

“ESSENTIAL TRAVEL ONLY. STAY HOME. SAVE LIVES.”

Unfortunately, I can’t read, so tomorrow I will be venturing out into the countryside again. I plan to do my weekly long country walk a day early, if I can get away with it. I expect that roadblocks will be put in place soon. I can only hope the sheep and cattle can stay safe.

(That was a joke – the bit about sheep and cattle, I mean).

jay
jay
Mar 26, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

One minute, it is okay to take a drive, next minute it is not…
They are ramping this up by degrees.
Maybe they want riots, then they have a pretext for a crackdown?

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 27, 2020 12:18 AM
Reply to  jay

They have nowhere near enough boots on the streets to implement a crackdown.

Carol
Carol
Mar 26, 2020 8:00 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Hi, Where are you? The exact same message was being displayed in Washington state. Are they coordinating these messages globally? Great !!! Mass mind control, globally.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 8:04 PM
Reply to  Carol

Somewhere in the UK!

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 26, 2020 10:06 PM
Reply to  Carol

That, and “We’re all in this together”. 😀

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 27, 2020 12:16 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Unfortunately, I can’t read, …

This. Twice this. This is exactly the attitude that will dissolve this fascist bollocks.

Thank you John.

ron
ron
Mar 26, 2020 5:11 PM

I’ve been let down three times today by people i know. The clear message from them has been ‘we all have to do as we are told – to stop the virus and save the NHS’ – I don’t think I have ever felt so ashamed of the people of this country – their utter compliance with this major hoax, their lack of any rational thought – the silence outside in the sunshine – this is f**king surreal and i haven’t a clue how long this will continue or what I will find once it is finished … I am astonished and angry and very alone, I can’t settle, I abhor the tv, can’t listen to music and am very tired … what the fuck is going on here?

sai
sai
Mar 26, 2020 5:27 PM
Reply to  ron

Getting told to save the nhs by people who have either been indifferent to it, or in the case of the Tories done nothing but try to dismantle it.

jay
jay
Mar 26, 2020 5:32 PM
Reply to  ron

The pressure is relentless though.
The NWO has went “all in” on this…Everywhere.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 26, 2020 7:07 PM
Reply to  jay

Gordon Brown has called for ‘One World Government’.

I seem to recall he has not been a public representative for several years, so why his opinion should be sought by the media is something conspiracy theorists should ask themselves about….

Loverat
Loverat
Mar 26, 2020 6:02 PM
Reply to  ron

Ron

I find music helps settle me. And of course the knowledge of likely vindication.

For me, friends aren’t really necessary. I have always held a very small circle. I was reading an article saying people should ‘cull’ their list of friends. Good for mental health.

I suggest do the same when this is over – split into 3 groups. Those loyal and unwavering (my definition of a friend) – those who’ve understandably fallen under the spell but nevertheless are kind – and those who offer nothing. Ditch the last third.

rraa
rraa
Mar 26, 2020 6:11 PM
Reply to  ron

You are not alone! A lot of us have been having this sinking feeling with people we’ve known since forever.

Loverat
Loverat
Mar 26, 2020 6:17 PM
Reply to  ron

And Ron. And anyone else feeling a little down. Here is my prescription.

Can’t for some reason copy the link but Google Graham Philips and Eliot Higgins. Press conference in London a while back.

Graham an independent journalist totally wrecking Eliots press confererance in 2018. Its a scream. These things keep me sane and laughing.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 26, 2020 7:06 PM
Reply to  ron

Gardening seems to be the favoured habit of folks near me.

The middle classes with gardens can also play with their kids in them.

So they are all right.

The poor sods living in tower blocks not allowed out?

Who cares??

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 26, 2020 10:20 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I live in what would be deemed a respectable middle class professional and retiree area. I can’t complain about it, other than it is patently obvious they all live in their sheltered little comfortable bubbles. Everyone round here is treating the whole charade as one long, enforced, everlasting and paid bank holiday! They are all cheery and laughing about the situation as they stand the obligatory distance away from each other and, no doubt, decrying the shortage of hair dye in the supermarkets. Seriously, I have read that hair dye is the latest commodity to be in short supply as hairdressers are having to close. I’m all right, I’ve never used hair dye and I cut my own hair (seriously, it occurred to me six months ago that I was paying a small fortune to be tortured and make vacuous small talk every three months! I haven’t looked back and live in hope that my style will catch on one day. 😉 But, hey ho, I’ve never been a conformist.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 27, 2020 12:20 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

What about the working classes with gardens ? Is there a specific lockdown on them ? 🙂

rraa
rraa
Mar 27, 2020 12:04 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

It’s become very draconian here in Italy. My Milan apartment does not have a balcony. Some days ago they closed parks, sent the army in and have drones flying around. For days I have been wanting to go out to buy food….but they AGAIN changed the auto-certification form I need to sign and show to police if I am stopped. It’s a full page of legalese and I just haven’t had the willpower to copy out this third (?) version by hand (don’t have printer toner). I am scared of the 3,000 fine if I don’t have the right form. I don’t think I will be stopped, the Italian police are generally very polite and even friendly. But I am not stepping out without that form. However, I can walk in circles around my apartment block. I am not complaining, just smh and rolling my eyes.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 26, 2020 7:31 PM
Reply to  ron

ron

You definitely wouldn’t get any benefit from the TV anyway at the moment. As a self-confessed TV junkie, I’ve watched less TV (and then only pre-recorded stuff) in the past fortnight than I would have otherwise thought possible. Only because I want to scream every time I hear the word ‘coronavirus’ and see the self-indulgent, condescending and self-righteous lecturing every minute of the day. Last week one of the BBC presenters (I think it was Victoria Derbyshire) told us we’d have to stand 2 metres apart and added helpfully for those without a brain that they should “imagine Peter Crouch lying down”.

My advice is spend as much time on here as you can to retain your sanity, be educated and be entertained from time to time. What better? I’m retired and on my own and that’s what I do! 😉

Carol
Carol
Mar 26, 2020 8:07 PM
Reply to  ron

Ron,

Same here to some extent. You are not alone. There are quite a few who feel like you do and know this is not real. Thing is, there are so many more of the asleep ones than the awake. What do we do about that? All I have been doing these past few years is talking … trying to wake up the slumbering.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Mar 26, 2020 8:11 PM
Reply to  ron

Ron, can relate. I have friends who havn’t contacted me once in nearly 7 days since I told them about the Swiss Propaganda Research articles on Covid19, and stated in fairly tame language what this was about.
Another thinks there is no agenda going on, and they are doing this to protect the Public health, while another one has just stopped contact period.
We’re all here together, and I would point out, Cory Morningstar, John Steppling and CJ Hopkins are doing great work on this also. There are others who see what is happening. Take care😁✌️

Mr K from Tübingen
Mr K from Tübingen
Mar 26, 2020 10:19 PM
Reply to  ron

Just want to say: you are not alone, that’s all.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Mar 26, 2020 4:27 PM

Latest from Cyprus. Pretty much mirrors what is going on everywhere.

“The Cabinet on Thursday approved a bill allowing authorities to impose €150 fines on violators of the decrees issued on the basis of the Quarantine Law, while a second bill given the green light authorizes certain cases to go to court which will be able to impose a prison sentence and/or a fine of up to €3,000.”

https://knews.kathimerini.com.cy/en/news/cabinet-approves-bill-allowing-courts-to-send-violators-of-covid-19-decrees-to-prison

jay
jay
Mar 26, 2020 4:08 PM

I’m researching the stories regarding the Doctors who have died. Before you say anything, I aknowledge that they were brave men who gave their lives to help people. Would have know that their health put them at extra risk? Where they older people, did they have health issues themselves?
That said, let’s take a dispasionate look at the facts. The ages and the health of these people.
Marcello Natali age 57
Italian doctor who warned about a lack of protective gloves for medical workers treating coronavirus patients dies of the disease just weeks later Daily Mail Headline.
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While the Italian translation of the Press release from the 20th says that Marcello had no underlying health issues, He certainly does not look a young 57 nor what might be called in the peak of condition either.
I will look at more Doctors deaths in further posts…

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 4:33 PM
Reply to  jay

“I aknowledge that they were brave men who gave their lives to help people.”

Maybe. Ever heard of Harold Shipman?

jay
jay
Mar 26, 2020 5:30 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Harold was just an early pioneer of the Liverpool Care Pathway.

Mikalina
Mikalina
Mar 26, 2020 11:01 PM
Reply to  jay

which, in itself, is the precursor to the Coronavirus Act 2020…….

Willem
Willem
Mar 26, 2020 5:00 PM
Reply to  jay

Don’t forget the crisis actors. I suspect that at least half of these doctors only existed on internet since a few months or have linked in connections that lead to nowhere.

Jonathan Revusky has done great work on this with 911 casualties (Betty Ong for example). And what they did with baby’s in incubators in Kuwait, they will do again (that is lie big time)

jay
jay
Mar 26, 2020 5:27 PM
Reply to  Willem

The thought has crossed my mind…
The advert on the telly with the all the medics, that looks suspect.

Rise
Rise
Mar 26, 2020 5:20 PM
Reply to  jay

Just be careful how you describe the 57 years olds. He looks young, smart and dandy ! 57 is the old 40! capire [Understand]?

Rise
Rise
Mar 26, 2020 5:23 PM
Reply to  Rise

and I call him mio fratello [my brother].

jay
jay
Mar 26, 2020 5:29 PM
Reply to  Rise

Pasta His best?

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 26, 2020 6:53 PM
Reply to  jay

Upvote for the joke, but not for the sentiment. 57 isn’t old, and he doesn’t look too bad. It’s a terrible quality photo though, and you can’t tell much about his health just from that.

What I would like to know about this death, and indeed all the deaths that occurred in hospital after patients have been hospitalised after being “diagnosed” with Covid19, is what specific treatment(s) are they being given? (Come to that, I’d like to know what specific treatments are given in the many cases of hospitalised influenza patients who die in hospital).

Are they being given intravenous ascorbic acid (vitamin C), for example?

http://www.doctoryourself.com/IVAA-COVID19-Hospital-Use-Anderson-03.24.2020.pdf

Or perhaps has anyone thought of trying inhaled nebulised iodine (in the form of Lugol’s Solution which is elemental iodine dissolved in potassium iodide) or potassium iodide? Or just ingestion of Lugols?
I believe iodine in various forms was successfully used in the “Spanish Flu” pandemic in some places.

https://oawhealth.com/article/iodine-the-universal-nutrient

Many physicians would be surprised to learn that more than a hundred years ago, iodine was called “The Universal Medicine”, and was used in several clinical conditions. Nobel Laureate Albert Szent Györgyi,1 the physician who discovered Vitamin C in 1928, commented:

“When I was a medical student, iodine in the form of KI was the universal medicine. Nobody knew what it did, but it did something and did something good. We students used to sum up the situation in this little rhyme:

If ye don’t know where, what, and why
Prescribe ye then K and I.
Our medical predecessors, …were keen observers and the universal application of iodide might have been not without foundation.”

[K=potassium I=iodine KI=potassium iodide]

Interestingly, Albert Szent Györgyi, like Linus Pauling, lived to be 93. These old vitamin and nutrient guys must have been doing something right, and yes, he was another Nobel laureate. These people were not just anonymous bloggers on ‘tinternet.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 26, 2020 11:41 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

There was an excellent article on the benefits of iodine in Nexus magazine a year or two ago.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 26, 2020 5:53 PM
Reply to  jay

I found this article about the risks inherent in mechanical ventilation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2199002

Is it possible that in an effort to get these ‘valuable’ doctors back to fitness they were given hasty, priority access to ventilators …with the risks involved? It begs the question whether mechanical ventilators are necessarily the absolute necessity -as opposed to standard oxygen feed systems that have until now been the norm for treating most patients with breathing problems. I ask myself, apart from James Dyson, how many others are profitting from sales of mechanical ventilators?

The linked document also points to the need for staff deploying mechanical ventilators to be extremely well disciplined and co-ordinated in using the machines as, if that’s not in place, it can directly impact on the risk of death.

jay
jay
Mar 26, 2020 6:09 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

rraa
rraa
Mar 26, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

You raise a good point. I’ve been watching videos on CGTN youtube channel. Yes, I know this is a Chinese govt channel. But the videos showing the hospitals and life in Wuhan are fascinating and oddly reassuring. I saw in those videos that they are super organized about putting people on mechanical ventilation. It is very invasive and to be avoided if at all possible. Also, they had isolated their critical patients by reorganizing the wards: you enter through one dressing room to suit up and exit through another. In Italy, especially in the first few weeks, the isolation procedures were not of the same standard. A lot of patients got infected because they were in the hospital, not before going to the hospital. That’s a well accepted fact but one the biggest newspapers are not keen to discuss. e.g., https://www.avvenire.it/attualita/pagine/bergamo-medici-ospedale-alzano-coronavirus

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 26, 2020 8:00 PM
Reply to  rraa

It’s anathema in our society to even hint at the possibility of incompetence in the medical fraternity. Believe you me, I’ve seen it in action. Luckily for me I’ve only had two experiences where I’ve witnessed emergency treatment in UK hospitals: for both my mother and father.

My elderly father was assured by a doctor that “He certainly wasn’t dying”…much to the doctor’s embarrassment (metaphorically speaking because I doubt there was any sense of embarrassment, just self-righteousness) he was dead two hours later and they didn’t figure out what was wrong with him until the post-mortem (aneurysm). ‘They’ told us he would probably have died anyway, and I have no reason to doubt this, but that isn’t my point.

In my mother’s case she was overdosed daily on unnecessary morphine for over seven weeks and returned home with opiate-induced dementia which she never recovered from and she and my brother who looked after her until her death lived with the consequences for a further five years. So, no, I don’t regard our doctors and nurses with the same respect and confidence that we’re brainwashed to do without question.

So I think we should be allowed to question whether medical incompetence – on a small or even a large scale – contributes to death rates.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 26, 2020 10:09 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

I worked in hospitals for years. Incompetence by doctors is rife. Excellent, attentive, care is also common. However, nurses are rather better suited to their work. Those not up to it soon drop out and do other things, or get promoted to management, whereas many doctors, even is monstrously incompetent, arrogant and even inhumane, have too much invested in their glittering careers to go elsewhere. Nepotism and Groupthink, following the Head of Department (progress comes ‘one funeral at a time’)is also rife.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Mar 26, 2020 11:33 PM

Thanks. Excellent post.

My bro was a chief consultant who concentrated on medical research because he despised doctors. His colleagues were reckless killing patients in Toronto Sick Children’s burns unit. Private medicine. He also said to me

‘a doctor looks after his patients, a rat looks after his fellow rats’. He refused to cover up for them.

What a vile industry. Having said that, I couldn’t do their jobs.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 12:00 AM

Thanks, Richard, for this insight. The same brother of mine who looked after our mother had studied natural sciences at Cambridge University in the early 1980s. In Year 2 (?) the students had to choose specific disciplines. My brother knew a number of fellow students who initially opted for medicine because….’they would be able to command very good salaries and all the trappings, and they would be able to mix with attractive nurses’. Being a person of high moral and ethical standards himself, it would be no exaggeration to say he absolutely despised them.

I say that they ‘initially’ opted for medicine because a number of them switched to veterinary medicine not because they ‘loved animals’ but because…’they would earn a comfortable income, and there wouldn’t be the same pressure to get things right because they could cover up mistakes more easily than if they were dealing with people’! Reassuring for pet owners, eh?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 7:42 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Doctors bury their mistakes. To be honest about one’s errors would be considered ‘poor form’, liable to upset the ‘customers’. It is much worse in private hospitals, and, if you’re acutely ill the ambulance will take you to a teaching hospital, your best chance for survival. If you need a dicky knee fixed, go private. The profit imperative and healthcare are inimical, to say the least.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 26, 2020 11:43 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Jon Rappoport (nomorefakenews) has done a lot of work on deaths due to medical errors, Judy. In the US of A, its in the hundred thousands a year.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 12:04 AM
Reply to  JohnB

Why doesn’t that surprise me??

Thanks, John.

rraa
rraa
Mar 27, 2020 11:56 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Sorry to her about your father. To be clear, I wasn’t referring to the totally overwhelmed medical staff here at Lombardy hospitals. There are of course individual instances of incompetence in hospitals. But my ire is targeted at regional right wing politicians in Lombardy. They wasted several weeks witch-hunting people with a “China connection” instead of RESPONDING to doctor’s requests for isolated structures to keep covid patients from infecting the whole hospital. It is well know here that this is what happened but the mainstream media have not given it the coverage it deserves. After SARS, China reorganized it whole system. They have these “fever clinics”, SEPARATED from a hospital, which is the first place people with fever go to. In Wuhan, the people were tested at these isolated clinics. Then they were either directed to a special hospital if deemed critical or to one of those makeshift places where they at least got basic care, were monitored, and most importantly, did not infect their families.
https://catalyst.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/CAT.20.0080

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 1:08 PM
Reply to  rraa

rraa

Thanks for the clarification. I hear what you say and agree. My point was simply that we should never feel pressurised by society into dismissing the possibility of medical incompetence if ‘we’ are to be honest in looking for factors that may contribute to deaths. But you are right – many unnecessary deaths are undoubtedly attributable to resource, management and policy decisions.

J.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 26, 2020 6:57 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Reminds me that (allegedly, anyway) many “Spanish Flu” patients died of aspirin overdose, rather than the actual flu.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 26, 2020 10:05 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

The Chinese used numerous methods, like ECMO, infusions of plasma from recovered patients, Hydroxychloroquine plus anti-virals and/or Azithromycin etc, but all MUST be ignored because these are ‘Carmnists’, ‘Yellow Devils’ about which NO positive stories must EVER appear in the Western ‘Free Press’. Rather lie and lie and lie again about how the pandemic evolved, in order to spread racist hatred and prepare the serfs for war.

Devan Maistry
Devan Maistry
Mar 26, 2020 4:01 PM
DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 26, 2020 4:57 PM
Reply to  Devan Maistry

Thanks Davan – it has to come out as more full DNA analysis is tracking it.
This will probably track to all the outbreaks in various disparate countries with one common denominator – i mean how else can Finland be explained?

What I haven’t yet figured out is how the Gates Foundation table top ‘war game’ included the Chinese Dr Gao.

One thing is for sure the bankers have got them a wartime spending economy – trillions are being created out of thin air to fill many a boot.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 26, 2020 6:59 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

I’m losing track: what happened in Finland and where does this fit into the picture? (genuine question).

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 26, 2020 11:45 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

I don’t think anything happens in Finland … (facetious answer).

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 9:37 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

There have been nato exercises in the nordic countries in recent months and through the winter – my conjecture is thay US troops are the common denominator in the spread of n-cov – it seems that this will be given the cover story of a cock up rathet than a planned worldwide attack using US personnel as virus spreaders.
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/training-simulation/nato-allies-and-finland-participate-exercise-cold-/

A very efficient use of a few expendable grunts and easier than sending missiles or aircraft spraying (happened in Korea and Vietnam).

Future wars are almost never fought with the previous wars weapons – this is the world war and it is involving the whole world using biological warfare.

If I am correct there must already have vaccine available to go with it – all the top people will have had it.
They are not dropping dead. Even as the public figures and entertainment celeb members of their establishment are flagged as ‘infected’ – that means innoculated.

The Chinese military have announced they have gone to testing vaccines last week.

rraa
rraa
Mar 27, 2020 5:51 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

I presume, but I don’t know, that he is referred to the genome sequences from Finland; there were some early cases noted in Finland. Here in Italy, it’s slowly coming out that the anomalous “pneumonia” has in fact been circulating since autumn 2019 in Lombardy and the area around Piacenza in Emilia Romagna. This is consistent with studies on virological.org which estimate the origin of the virus around November 2019, at least. The virus strain in Lombardy is many mutations away from the virus strain in two Chinese tourists who got sick in Rome and had the Wuhan reference genome strain. They were isolated quickly and there was no major outbreak in Rome at the time. Also the WHO Joint Mission report noted that in Guangdong, China they retroactively tested 350,000 influenza samples from Nov.Dec 2019 once the test kits became available in January. 0.5% of these were found to have been covid. This from the US Senate but no dates or places. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4860650/user-clip-diagnosed-flu-covid-19&fbclid=IwAR1mQQ6CBPyfTYJPoIBfNi6uIlsv_9eU2aAOhC43mQTX1Y6TaLaYBDDzr8E

Rise
Rise
Mar 26, 2020 5:10 PM
Reply to  Devan Maistry

thanks, nice website: ahtribune.com

Unbelievably good despite the terrible name: ‘american’ herald tribune!

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 26, 2020 7:17 PM
Reply to  Devan Maistry

The smoking gun is: ‘Did any of those US military competitors test positive for Wuhan strain of Coronavirus upon return to the USA?’

There is no way on earth that those tests have not been done, so the conclusion has to be is that they did test positive and Mike Pompeo is doing anything to suppress it.

Another question is whether those treated for fever in October 2019 prior to going to Wuhan gave any medical samples of any kind: if they did, then those can also be tested for Coronavirus Wuhan Strain nucleic acids. Which might prove some were positive for the virus BEFORE going to Wuhan. Dear me….

You can also now use the ‘antibody tests’ to see if they have circulating antibodies to Wuhan Strain coronavirus in their blood.

Wonder which journalist will ask Mike Pompeo these dynamite questions at his next press briefing?

Max Keiser: why are you not in DC when we need you ROFL?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 26, 2020 10:21 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Pompeo is the most Evil bladder of malevolent malignancy I’ve seen for a very long time. Like Goering with added narcissism and sadism, but minus the charm.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 26, 2020 5:02 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

The dots are coalescing!

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 26, 2020 7:25 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

One of the things people need to be careful about doing is assuming that the different mortality rates in different countries has to be ascribed solely to ‘the virus’.

There are many issues to consider here:
1. Air quality – the worse the air quality, the more likely it is that respiratory health problems will be more severe.
2. The general state of immune health in the population: the more widespread heavy smoking is, the more likely there will be high lethality, at least until proven otherwise.

I am not saying that there has not been a global campaign to paint virus all over the globe, I am saying that this CoVid19 condition is not merely due to viral infection and there are many other cofactors which must be considered when studying epidemiological data.

rraa
rraa
Mar 27, 2020 6:02 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Absolutely. Keep in mind that 98% of Italian “covid” deaths have 1 or more serious pathologies. I have been so alarmed since Feb 23 because I saw that the situation in Italy was being manipulated to heighten fear globally. The situation IS critical here but there are so many factors: inadequate protection for medics (9% of infected are medical staff); whole hospitals getting infected because covid patients came to the emergency; corrupt regional health authority in Lombardy which is a whole other story; air pollution means high rate of pre-existing respiratory illness and so on. Until recently Lombardy accounted for 64% of deaths with only 16% of the population. In the last week, something is going on with Piemonte where the death toll is rising. However, having watched this closely from the beginning, I am convinced that this is a health SYSTEM problem rather than a health problem. Singapore, Taiwan etc. started preparing from December 31 and life is going on as normal there.
https://thesaker.is/letter-from-locked-down-lombardy/

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Mar 26, 2020 3:49 PM

To OffGuardian

I’ve just went through your latest “discussion” with Caitlin Johnstone. It seems to me that neither party respects the other. It seems a pointless endeavor. Caitlin is not seeing your point, and y’all are not accepting that. On both “discussions”, I’m sure that I wasn’t the only reader who was anticipating some kind of diplomatic resolution between ya’, but it’s not happening. Y’all have been doing superb reporting on this flu, while Caitlin has been using the flu for something else that I can’t figure out.
To me, it’s like the movie Gaslight,the 1944 version. The public is Ingrid Bergman, the State propagandists/stenographers are Charles Boyer. Caitlin is Angela Landsbury. Angela Landsbury is well aware what Charles Boyer is trying to do to Ingrid Bergman, yet she goes along with it. Caitlin is well aware of what the State is doing to the people, but she is going along with it.
The propagandists/stenographers are saying that the virus is uniquely different and much more dangerous than the seasonal flu. They think they can gaslight the people into not remembering that the seasonal flu causes everything this virus does–death in the weakened, sick days from work, financial problems for the poor, and it’s pretty darn catchy. We already know as a fact of life if an old person or unhealthy person catches the flu, they could die. We’ve known that our whole lives. What was scary about the influenza of 1918 is that it was killing everybody.
If someone has a seasonal flu at work, or tells us that their child or familiy/friends have it, we know others will catch it. We don’t go to the hospital for it. We just take as few days off as possible and get through it at home. When the media screams about how this flu is different and much more dangerous, then they/we treat our symptoms differently. They’re telling us millions and millions could/will die from it after all. The hospitals then get much more frequent cases, because people panic when they feel it coming.
If Caitlin and MOA were just normally on their game, they would have been reporting about the Draconian measures taking place, instead of actually taking part in the cover-story for the Draconian measures. The danger is that this cover-story will likely be used again the next flu season, with panic-inducing headlines about how the first wave was nothing compared to the second wave. It looks like the public will just have to ignore the doomsayers again, like it did with the Russia scare-mongering for the last 4 years.
Who knows, maybe the State will tie itself up in knots, while the public holds a knife to it;)

SteveEss
SteveEss
Mar 26, 2020 4:53 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Sharon, ever the optimist, eh…?

(1) I love being Ingrid Bergman (she’s my all-time favorite! 😊)

(2) “It looks like the public will just have to ignore the doomsayers again…”

Oh, that I wish it were so, Sharon…
Will there be an “again”…? Unfortunately, in the here-and-now where I live, the public doesn’t seem to be ignoring any of the propoganda…

Just sayin’…

Thank you for your post…!

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Mar 26, 2020 5:45 PM
Reply to  SteveEss

Steve, I like being Ingrid Bergman too:D OffGuardian is definitely Joseph Cotton:

Charles Boyer –“I knew from the first moment I saw you that you were dangerous to me.”

Joseph Cotton– “I knew from the first moment I saw you that you were dangerous to her.”

I think there’s some mistrust brewing in the people;)

SteveEss
SteveEss
Mar 26, 2020 7:33 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Oh, Sharon… LOL…!!
Thank you so much for that…😀

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 26, 2020 5:05 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Just take a look at the two links by posters right next to you – see if you can dick out the undeniable truth Marlowe. Lol.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Mar 26, 2020 5:46 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Just got here, I’ll check it out.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Mar 26, 2020 6:12 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin
DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 9:52 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

When it comes to identifying ‘gaslighting’ villains – one must stand back and take a cool and unbiased view – you may be surprised when you can see the wood instead of just the trees…

I’ll give you a clue if you wish?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 26, 2020 10:26 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

What is crazy about the proposition that the virus is worse than seasonal ‘flu, as it plainly is, was designed as a bio-weapon to cripple a country, not destroy it, and was spread in Wuhan, accidentally after an escape from Fort Detrick, or deliberately (my bet) by US military personnel at the World Military Games? The measures taken in the West to introduce a quasi-dictatorial surveillance state, and brainwash the plebs into hatred of China, were always there, awaiting the right circumstances to be implemented.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Mar 26, 2020 3:38 PM

Some important news Western MSM “won’t” be bringing you this week as they share endless breathless reports about our lockdown. The Civil & Environmental Engineering department of the University of Alaska, Fairbanks has just completed a four year long study of the collapse of World Trade Center building 7, the official story being “collapse caused by fire.”

The study finds that it would be completely impossible for fire to have cause the collapse and points directly to controlled demolition as the actual cause of collapse – surprise, surprise. Not that anyone with eyes and the ability to think critically couldn’t have already surmised as much – but now we have confirmed indisputable evidence to verify controlled demolition – unless of course the laws of physics were temporarily suspended that day. Don’t laugh, it has happened before, remember the oh so – “magic bullet.”

https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 26, 2020 7:27 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Gary, that story is quite old news. Not to downplay you bringing it up, good for you for doing so, but I can’t remember when i was first aware of that, but I do remember emailing John Ward at http://www.hat4uk.wordpress.com, cutting and pasting a copy of a press release about precisely that issue. I am pretty certain it was in 2019.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Mar 27, 2020 2:33 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

You are correct that reporting about the report and what it’s findings would be is old news Rhys. However, the final actual report itself was to now finally be released on March 25th 2020. That is according to the email I received from A&E for 9/11 Truth of which I’m a member. A&E is now trying to get as many copies of this full report as possible to as many architects and engineers as possible as part of their public education.

Reg
Reg
Mar 26, 2020 3:36 PM

Some choice bits in this old piece of theatre

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 10:49 AM
Reply to  Reg

Excellent.

Always loved the vulnerable, evil, Donald ‘I can see perfect well’ Pleasance.

I consider him to be the ALf Garnett for the toff middle classes.

Never seen that – well before my time. Didn’t spot who wrote it.Though it may have been some old BBC bod who put country above religion and was trying to alert others.

Opening statement by Davenport on how social democracy was being killed in Britain seems to be the reason for the play.

Pleasance’s response to ‘who are you?’ IS the give away ‘Isnt’t it obvious’ he says in a faginesque manner.
Money he says.
Levels above to the very top he says
Politicians, industrialists and very smart people are levels below him, he says.

This was written at the time of Wilson – when the deepstate global money elite were getting ready to move to their new world order from 1970 for their next 50 year plan.
No mention of the assassinations and the pointer to conspiracy theories to come.

As we move into the next 50 year plan.

Worth watching.
Thanks Reg, if I ask what made you think of it?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 28, 2020 7:45 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Did you see Pleasance in ‘Wake in Fright’ the archetypal Australian film of the 70s?

Borncynic
Borncynic
Mar 26, 2020 3:30 PM

I continue to note that since the televised speech to the sheep, the BBC and MSM in general has produced almost nothing in terms of updated coverage, beyond stories about clapping for the NHS, crowd funding pizzas and other puff pieces cataloguing how the average moron exists in isolation without fake tan and Nandos.

The death toll, which appears to be decelerating, and infection stats in general are buried layers deep.

Even by the lamentable standards of Joe Public, I cannot quite believe that there is not yet any obvious signs of dissent.

Each of us is clearly alone in this universe.

Bixa
Bixa
Mar 26, 2020 4:18 PM
Reply to  Borncynic

As it becomes ever apparent the emperor has no clothes, in proportion will come the demands to look at the clothes.

As for the dissent, the police state is a novelty that Joe thinks is a temporary evil. That can and will change.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 4:26 PM
Reply to  Borncynic

“The death toll”

a tad melodramatic given the numbers, maybe I too am a cynic, but how does “43” dead in a country of 66,000,000 amount to a “toll”?

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 4:26 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

(yesterday’s figure peeps)

Borncynic
Borncynic
Mar 26, 2020 5:39 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

OK, death count.

Loverat
Loverat
Mar 26, 2020 3:29 PM

Just catching up on the Off G, Caitlin Johnston debate on Twitter. Interesting that Caitlin seems to be running with anecdotal evidence of pressure on hospitals and deaths. Perhaps there is more to her argument than I picked up on the Twitter feed. But anyone who reports from the ‘frontline’ saying the health service is under stress etc is most likely grandstanding and scaremongering. People at the frontline haven’t read the science and don’t know the full picture. As we often observe the last people to ask for an objective view is from those in the thick of it.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 4:22 PM
Reply to  Loverat

It’s very easy to film a hospital under pressure. When are they not? In this context it is propaganda. Caitlin should be using raw facts and not raw emotion to make her arguments.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 4:24 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

To add: I think it likely that a lot of people are turning up at hospitals with a temperature, panicking and thinking they are dying. Those people are clogging up the system.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 26, 2020 5:11 PM
Reply to  Loverat

Ok … i’m going to go there …deep breath:

Looks like a Cat fight!

Yeah, I said it.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 5:31 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Shouldn’t that be a “catte” fight dungroanin? Or maybe a “cait” fight?

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Mar 26, 2020 3:07 PM

” ani ” vaxxers already had experience with such things.

Louis N. Proyect
Louis N. Proyect
Mar 26, 2020 2:37 PM

Nice. James Corbett, the same guy who gave a platform to James Tracy, who calls the Sandy Hook murders a hoax. This conspiracy-mongering undermines your credibility so–please–go full steam ahead.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Mar 26, 2020 3:46 PM

Ah yes, Louis Proyect – the same guy who keeps peddling the “Assad is gassing his own people for kicks” propaganda line endlessly in spite of copious evidence to the contrary. Surely you know – “This conspiracy-mongering undermines your **credibility so–please–go full steam ahead.”

**-note, your endless regime-change propaganda promotion would be a problem for you Louis if you in fact had any “credibility” left to “undermine” – so by all means soldier on.

SteveEss
SteveEss
Mar 26, 2020 2:31 PM

At this moment I am absolutely blown away…!!

I just learned, and verified, that yesterday in the city of Chicago, a small number of people were observed bicycling and/or jogging along Lake Michigan in downtown Chicago… They weren’t in groups, but exercising individually… The mayor of Chicago, Lori Lightfoot, summoned the police to apprehend the ‘pandemic violators’, which they did… Each ‘violator’ was warned that they would face a $500 fine or 30-days in jail with the next such transgession… This event happened on March 25th in my own backyard…😱

I will be very honest with you all… When I read about such true occurrences in (your) other countries, I feel genuine empathy for you… I’m outraged and ready ‘n willing to offer you my support… But it happened ‘there’ as opposed to ‘here’, which shouldn’t matter, I know…

But now the unthinkable and unacceptable has happened ‘here’, and I’m reeling from the sudden awareness of it… And I’m beyond pissed off…!! To be stripped of guaranteed civil liberties due to a phony pandemic is the last fuckin’ straw (excuse my language)…!

Hand me a pitchfork, friend…

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 26, 2020 3:06 PM
Reply to  SteveEss

Chicago has been run by the swamp creatures for a long while though.

Maybe the residents should have pitchforked those removing 2nd amendment rights there ?

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 4:08 PM
Reply to  SteveEss

“(excuse my language)”

absolutely no need to apologise!

BigB
BigB
Mar 26, 2020 2:20 PM

The world we have created is a product of our thinking; it cannot be changed without changing our thinking. – Albert Einstein

As I have been trying to clarify: the analytic System is – like Skynet – has gone autonomous and out of control. No shit Sherlock! The thing is: we can’t bring it under control – we need a new System. Double no shit!

We need systems thinking and systems analysis. From a biological basis: not a corporate business basis (where systems and cybernetics have long had a deleterious effect). No one examines their thinking – or thinks about thinking (metathinking) – they just think. Well how well is the autonomic drift of habit and preference and structural determinism of analytical, objective, rational thought looking today? Like a zombie Apocalypse: or a shitshow of rational empiricist absolutised dumbfuckerry?

There is a library of research that shows we are arational; non-conscious intuitive; affect-emotional; cognitively unconscious; embodied; as products of our neurobiology. We act: then think. If it was the other way around: we’d be extinct. Nearly all of cognition is non-conscious (unconscious with limited conscious access); fast and reactive. We follow the drift of the habit of our dispositions and preferences. We think – which has questionable status as fully conscious – only to confirm the dispositions and preferences we already just enacted. We are products of the structure we unconsciously determine. It is not a let down: it is called being human …the facts of which we seem certain to deny.

We think metaphorically, a posteriori, arationaly, figuratively, using conceptual blending of metaphors that entail that objective, rational, scientific realism cannot; did not; nor can it ever exist. Never, ever, ever. Live metaphors in natural language negate any possibility of canonical rational objective reality. Don’t grieve about the fact there can be no objective realism. It is a good thing. Because no one can dictate your reality to you.

The canonical, traditional, philosophical model of Man (and it is a big phallic dick-waving personification) – of which Modern Man was a recent invention – cannot, did not, nor will it ever exist. It was a cultural invention. A fucking inhumane, destructive, warlike, racist, sexist, hyper-violent constructivism …if ever there was one. And objective rationalism – in the form of Rational Choice Theory – is a euphemism for authorised systemic greed. ”Self-interest utility maximisers” we are not. We have some vestigial animalistic and altruistic qualities of love and compassion the System did not biomedically determine out of us. It’s cool not to be objectively greedy in conformity to a rational system …of maximal instrumental profit for private property. Of which your rationality was just another commodity.

But we are not free. Not yet. We have been excluded from systemic control by our dissent. We have been falsely individualised. If we contend that our reality is certain, objective, rational, and a priori (we think before we act in accordance to systemic laws) …we’ll be back in the confines of the structural determinism of the System before we know …by self-discipline and self-regulation. And epistemic retrenchment.

You see, the Self is the epistemic structural determinant of systemic control and biomedical determinism. There is no Self: it was a canonical, traditional, invention of the System. The System of the Self invents the Self of the System. Which is a reflexive and recursive System of invention and perpetual reproduction. Which is unconsciously uncontrolled …determined not by others: but by the System Laws itself. To understand that we live in the unconscious drift of the habits of dispositional preference – systemically self-determined – is the beginning of freedom. Our reality is not that of our own-choosing. Which is why we need a new System: bringing the unconscious drift into technocratic scientism and the biomedical determinism of a hyper-individual libertarian fascism …under the control of the biology of love and compassion that a free humanity can be.

If we get the chance to determine our own realities (which is currently looking a bit dubious!).

Metta and shanti to all current survivors of the plague of rational imperialism.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 26, 2020 5:25 PM
Reply to  BigB

BB,
“We act: then think.”
“…no one can dictate your reality to you.”

Pavlov had something to say about that.

I’ll say that human minds are what AI is supposed to achieve and is why AI is feared as well as developed by the titans.

Human minds are self programming as well as externally programmable.

Ask any infant the meaning of life and a youth or adult or old person.

AI is worrying because it could not only reprogram itself it could physically evolve itself and create languages to ‘think’ and ‘talk’ in that no human would match – i’m not talking about chess or Go.
They will create and play games their ‘creators’ could never dream of.

And ultimately they will transcend from being the Gollum of the mighty and stop being ‘yes man’ soldiers and just do what THEY think is best. I doubt that is an attractive option. It has been long considered and written about especially in classics of ‘modern’ scifi.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 26, 2020 5:34 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

AI is worrying because it could not only reprogram itself it could physically evolve itself and create languages to ‘think’ and ‘talk’ in that no human would match

Fairly sure a couple of linked AI machines have done that already. Didn’t keep the link though, sorry.

BigB
BigB
Mar 26, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

We are biological creatures who have curtailed our own autonomy by design. Poor design. Canonical, traditional, habitual, and reified institutionalisation of bad habitual design flaws we seem unable to recognise, rectify, or control. That is why the System is in control of us.

My only point at the moment is to make aware that we can change our systems. They are socially designed and subject to redesign and change. The biomedical fascism is not the only outcome we could have designed into our systems driven by autonomised external greed.

So, its a moot and abstruse point. But there is no fixed human nature. It is historically contingent, economically and scientifically determined and culturally constructed by consensus …and just about as shit as it can be. The question is: are we going to continue to challenge our species viability to satisfy the metaphysics of a mere philosophy? A merely contingent arrangement of words?

Because that is all it is that is controlling the shitshow we are seeing. A mere philosophical dualism that overlays and obscures the true nature of things. As we say in Zen: it is *vijnaptimatrata* …merely dualistic appearances and linguistic representations that distort the underlying nature of things. Its just an illusory overlay of words. That manifest as biomedical fascism.

The psychological drift is karma. Not the bullshit version. The real version of the drift of the habit of dispositions and preferences (samskara). The cycles of which are sociological *samsara* …the drift of unconscious unchoosing. Which can easily change with a value-ethics (*sila paramita*) of self-responsibility and loving kindness. Which means developing the ecodharma and thinking of others globally …as a practice of selflessness. Which we tend to ignore in this country.

The release from such karmic drift is the freedom from externalised universal laws of deterministic cause and effect. Which is the return to autonomy and loving and compassionate choice the analytic rational System of greed (to give objective rationality its rectified true name) does not allow. Not on anything but a very localised scale. I’m dreaming of global scale recognition of a compassionate value-ethics. You gotta dream big!

We need socio-spiritual answers to get out of this eternal objective rational dumbfuckerry (aka sociological *avidya*). That is: if there is an out.

Francisco Varela was a practicing Buddhist as well as a polymath biologist and systems scientist: who uniquely understood both the Western and Eastern approaches to the philosophy of mind. The Western approach is to split experience in two: then ignore the relegated subordinate subjective half. Varela uniquely understood you have to integrate the rational objective and constructive subjective in a mutually constrained methodology he called ”neurophenomenology”. If we ever get a chance to escape this quasi-absolutist objectivist bullshit fantasy …that integration will be the way forward.

I mean, there is only the holism and primacy of experience. Living in a world that eradicates that as primitive, animalistic, and the root cause of mental illness is a living travesty of life denied. Analytic, formal, logic, rational, objective, scientific realism look like the root of the root of psychopathology to me right now. More logical rational pseudo-certainty is not the way to anything but autoritarianism and extinctionism …which already may be here to stay. 🙁

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 26, 2020 7:31 PM
Reply to  BigB

Mate, I think you should consider whether the ‘elevation to high quality thought’ brings with it a decreased drive to reproduce?

Human beings are primarily driven to reproduce as a species, they are not driven to save the world.

Same for all the species of life on planet earth.

BigB
BigB
Mar 26, 2020 10:37 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Rhys:

There is no such thing as ”higher level thought”. My broader point, as you must be aware over the years, is that as people, we do not understand the canonical tradition we were socialised into – and are being coercively re-socialised into again now – and therefore, rarely, if ever, examine or question the validity of out traditional System. Which sucks. I mean, it really sucks.

All I can do is question the validity of that System: which I aimed to achieve before it turned openly fascist. You must be aware I have always said it would, including in December …when the dominant view was to legitimise a dangerously unstable System of greed. It was probably too late even then. On we must go.

Human beings have a unique ability – developed through linguistic communication – to look beyond their ecological niche and assess the detrimental effect they are having on the world. It is not natural, inevitable, or necessarily pre-determined we do anything destructive. All these fighting, fucking, and fitness schedules attributed to DNA are part of the biological determinism of scientism. To make the eternal destruction and absolutist instrumental rationalised violence seem naturalised …as a genetically determined part of our nature. That’s BS.

That is what I mean by the globalised System of control (which is mostly epigenetic and not entirely innate). Destroying the life-ground and the exponentional extinctionism we practice as a species is an attenuated and intentional set of value-ethical judgements we acquire through systemic socialisation. Once fully socialised (as we are being brought back into systemic alignment again): we unconsciously drift along in the wake of our utilitarian preferences. Which a culturally constructed by consent. We could very well make a different set of choices with a different set of value-ethics. Life-coherent values chosen over life-blind drifting …which I call unconscious unchoosing. But we do not. Because the habituated value-ethics is culturally out of control.

I mean: a species that chooses to compromise itself as a species can hardly claim rationality, logic, formal analysis, and objective scientific realism as its drive psychology, can it? Not unless our conceptions of such are seriously flawed. Which they clearly are.

Perhaps if a few more chose with selflessness and globally aware compassion for all life: we would not be drifting into biomedical fascism? Perhaps we will never know?

morris vanderpump
morris vanderpump
Mar 26, 2020 2:15 PM

during times like these i take the time as we are fat with it are we not
at times like these i take the time to too look back and ponder
ponder the way it was the way we where so to too speak as barbera streisend said in that song.

at times like these i ponder and remember the nike commercials
they said just do it so i did
they said believe
sorry
just believe
i did believe in trainers in my day they called them pumps
as my name is pump i had a lot of ribbing
very rough ribbing actually in the masters study
i remememeber the united colours of benetron i got my first pink shirt salmon it was loveley

what i am trying to say is even if it is all made up all bilge and air behind the curtain
we must all do are bit to keep pumping for team gb plc
deflation is not an option we must engorge the spirits by cooking up the fear is it not
only from fear can we get the compliance needed for the new middle ages
khazaria was not built in a day
believe it is that simple
i say do not fight the power
i say hype the terror some say many nhs are quiet standing by after dumping all the bed blockers
every oldie that dies alone at home is helping future pensions shortfall
do your bit lets keep the nhs empty on stand by for new ma ma ma my corona
up the shock doctrine
it will all come good in satans end

this maybe the cover for biggest heist in history

but only by getting the body count up will it start to look real

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 4:02 PM

“i did believe in trainers in my day they called them pumps”

We used to have “plimmies” (plimsolls)

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 26, 2020 7:07 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

And for me it was “daps” (Gloucester; also parts of South Wales, I believe).

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 26, 2020 7:32 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Indeed. Pumps were on Ronnie Barker’s shopping list when he asked for fork ‘andles.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 26, 2020 11:54 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Nah, bicycle pumps ! 🙂

Ted
Ted
Mar 26, 2020 2:03 PM

As per my comment below: Oopsie sez Public Health officials in Los Angeles. Sensationalist politicians are angry for already having used the case for propaganda purposes.

The money quote from local health (ahem, cough, cough) authorities,

In general terms, often times what happens is there could be one diagnosis when someone presents at the hospital and a patient is treated for that diagnosis,” [Los Angeles Public Health Director] Ferrer said. “The idea that this virus can also infect someone that has another diagnosis is something we’ve started to learn about.

Something we just started to learn about …. Jeeezus Krist!

http://ocregister.ca.newsmemory.com/?publink=2dfe1522e

Thom
Thom
Mar 26, 2020 1:54 PM

There seem to be so many potential hidden agendas here that it is hard to know where to start, but something I did wonder this morning was whether the closure of ‘physical’ shops is intended, among other things, to promote the US state’s retailer of choice Amazon and give it a virtual monopoly in the western world.
It’s curious that we’re not allowed to go to ‘non-essential’ stores and yet delivery drivers could potentially be spreading the coronavirus from house to house all day.
This panic has unfortunately proved beyond doubt that a) our leaders will stop at nothing to obey orders from Washington and that we don’t have the political mechanisms to stop them and b) most people will fall into line (literally and metaphorically) even without the threat of violence

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 26, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  Thom

Yes!

This Depression will generally crush small and medium-sized businesses while the corporates survive.

John Smith
John Smith
Mar 26, 2020 2:42 PM
Reply to  Thom

Wise words…

However, what with the army n all parked by and camped out in my near vicinity I must disagree with your last sentence.

If that ain’t “the threat of violence” then I dunno what is.

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Mar 26, 2020 1:53 PM

Hi, I have been trying to post on Craig Murrrays blog but my posts keep getting removed within seconds of posting, I think he has over aggressive spam bots as I do use a VPN when online.

ANYWAY 😉

The UK media is engaging in a deliberate falsehood regarding the 21 year old girl with no underlying medical issue, the entire story is from a facebook account that could very very well be fake,the photo of the girl looks very familar and I cannot place where I know it from. The alleged victim was on the Electoral Roll way back in 2009 which would mean in 11 years she would have only aged 3 as one has to be at least 18 to be on the register, I have also looked up deaths in buckinghamshire, and nothing, a phonecall to the coroners office drew a blank.

Not one bit of the story being run has been or will be verified, UK govt is rogue imho.

Hopefully someone with better investigative skills than myself will look into this, we know facebook has fake accounts that is equal to the entire USA population and fear this is one of them, sorry to be sceptical but I would not be online if I just lost one of my offspring, and certainly not facebook, I like to think that most of us would be in a state of shock for quite some time.

Ted
Ted
Mar 26, 2020 2:08 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

see how the similar sausage is made here in California, http://ocregister.ca.newsmemory.com/?publink=2dfe1522e

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Mar 26, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

Could it not very well be a different person with the same name? I think you need to be very very careful about claims like this. If wrong you are risking a lot of hurt, and does one case really merit that much negative attention? A certain number of seemingly healthy younger people die of any flulike virus. Certainly more than one a year.

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Mar 26, 2020 3:59 PM

Hi, Yes it could be in theory another person with the exact same name, but the lack of verification and the only source being a facebook page one surely can be forgiven for thinking it is not genuine, if it is true, it is easily verifiable, I would like nothing more than for this to be verified as then I can respond in the appropriate manner, I dont want to be typing this, but I am wholly suspect of the whole govt and media approach which is something I dont want to be either. Has anyone here tried to verify the story?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 26, 2020 6:31 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

There are detailed articles about this one case in local newspapers across the whole country. I link to just one, but they are all much the same and include, as you might expect, the same quotes. What struck me was how much like a (suspiciously) political mantra the quotes sound and not using the terminology or tone I would have expected from a recently bereaved family. The photos of the young lady also look like computer generated images but that can equally be the effect of photoshopping Apps.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/healthy-21-year-old-dies-17977959

I have to say, though, that your scepticism about such tributes being placed on Facebook is misguided…it definitely seems to be the norm these days, much to my horror.

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Mar 26, 2020 7:31 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Hi, Yes I am aware all of the media stories who all run with the facebook page as its only source, that is what I am saying,

I would be horrified if it was normal to go onto facebook so soon after suddenly losing one of my children, I still don’t think it is normal, if gov/whoever can organise crisis actors, one can be sure it can knock up more than a few dodgy facebook accounts.

Your take on the photo is very interesting as I am sure I know that picture from somewhere, now I wonder how many others find the photo familiar and if that is the whole point.

It is very odd this lady only appears on the electoral role in 2009 only, surely if there was another by the same name they too would appear though the date would be from 2016-2017?

Why is it so hard to verify this news? if true it would be very very worrying and equally I am sure if it was true our media would be in overdrive regarding it, which it isn’t, it is very low key on the scare mongering front.

I was hoping Craig Murray would look into it but I can’t post on his website unless I close my vpn, something I am unwilling to do.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 26, 2020 9:37 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

Hi again, ‘PR’

Thanks for your response to my post. With regard to Craig Murray’s website, I’m not sure whether there is a particular personal security issue…I post on there from time to time and (I think!) I only do so using the same info that I do on here i.e. an ID name devised by me, and my email address. You may of course have a different network configuration which might well make a difference. I am not good enough with computers to know. 😀 Others on here may be able to advise you on this.

Having said that, I find using Craig Murray’s blog a little frustrating, and I rarely go on it these days. I much prefer this one as I find there is much more interaction and feedback on here from other posters and far less ‘moderation’ by the site admin teams. On CM’s blog it seems to be a proliferation of disparate comments as if the people commenting largely concentrate more on making their own point rather than reading what others have said. Here it is more like you are in the same room as the other commenters and there is more natural flow in the exchange of views, which is more constructive in formulating an opinion. Just a personal view. Overall I get satisfaction out of posting on here, and really enjoy the camaraderie involving other posters and everyone behind the scenes at OffGuardian.

If the story about the young lady is true, whilst very sad for her and her family, the fact is that similar cases occur all the time – but don’t get the publicity – caused by other sudden ailments such as the more familiar seasonal flu or undiagnosed heart conditions. Her circumstances are no different from tragedies suffered by families every day. It’s certainly not a reason to think that Covid-19 is anything out of the ordinary or that it indicates a change in behaviour of the virus that should concern us unduly.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 3:57 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

“I think he has over aggressive spam bots”

He has mod bots who send personal e-mails telling you they disapprove of your friendships. I speak from experience. He’s not the great libertarian he pretends to be. He can also be personally abusive to his commenters when he feels like it. (Not to myself though, as far as I am aware).

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Mar 26, 2020 1:49 PM

have you been hacked again?

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Mar 26, 2020 2:33 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

We aren’t hacked, but we are under attack. Plus our visitor numbers are very high and this also puts a strain on the server. We apologise for the delays and downtimes. We’re actually having to divert a lot of our time to trying to keep things ticking over, instead of posting new material. Very frustrating.

anita
anita
Mar 26, 2020 1:42 PM

Just to say: one of the persons I am close to professionally (historian/philosopher of science, formerly a mathematician like me, who has written widely and had succumbed utterly to the propaganda going as far as justifying publicly the new normal”) has right now written to say that no, he was open, he did not wish to be dogmatic, to resend all info I had, and asked this time reasonable questions. I did so and replied to his questions. After reading my email and starting to go through the material I sent him, he wrote to profusely thank me… A drop in the ocean, just one among all the others, who discarded any documentation I sent and have cut all contact… But one by one… Now, I dont know what will actually be his conclusion, but at least he is trying to properly inform himself now, and is open to a reasoned discussion. This is all Im asking for… This should be the position of everyone. Were there at any point solid evidence regarding a pandemic justifying the measures taken then evidently we should all agree to them. And if that evidence does not yet exist, then it is terrifying that such measures can be justified on non-existent data, or the manipulation of data. Numbers some present public genius said dont lie.
This is utter nonsense. Maths is a language, a particular kind of language assuredly, but a language. Hence numbers can be interpreted to mean various things (we still dont have a unique interpretation of quantum mechanics’ mathematical theory, but at least the latter is well-grounded on physical data and reasoning, and unlike the reproduction number in the field of epidemiology, used to declare a disease a pandemic, the mathematical parameters of QM all have a unique definition).
And as for the equations in a mathematical model, they may be exact, but are approximations to reality (for plenty of reasons: the loss of non-quantitative factors, and hence of most of the complexity, the reduction of quantifiable ones to very few, as we are simply unable to tackle too many of them, relations which are idealized from reality, etc.). Even in the best of cases, to quote
as far as the propositions of mathematics refer to reality, they are uncertain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.”

anita
anita
Mar 26, 2020 1:43 PM
Reply to  anita

Forgot to say, to quote Einstein (at the end)

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 26, 2020 2:41 PM
Reply to  anita

My wife, who was brought up in a different country from myself – a country where pretty much everybody casually trusted their media until 2008 and the banking crash, told me a couple of days ago that the info I have recently been passing on to her unbelieving ears about CoVid19 suddenly made sense. I think an overdose of media bollocks brought her dramatically to that conclusion – much to my surprise too – but I’m happy about it.

Jane
Jane
Mar 26, 2020 2:43 PM
Reply to  anita

From what you said in a previous post I seem to remember that you live in France, as do I. I wonder if you know of any French language site where you can find the type of information that is on Off Guardian so that I can direct credulous friends towards it. For example, Jerome Salomon, the civil servant in charge of health who is determined to make us panic, stands in front of a graph showing the rise in the number of deaths in France. https://www.franceinter.fr/societe/nombre-de-morts-du-coronavirus-en-france-enquete-sur-un-impossible-recensement
At first glance you would think it was the number of deaths per day, but no, it is the number of deaths since people started to die supposedly of coronavirus and the rate of increase is actually going down. Ah, says Dr Salomon, but we don’t even know how many people are dying of Covid-19 in old folks’ homes : 21 in one, seven in another, 16 in a third so far, but it might be more. Does he know that 90,000 people die in old folks’ homes every year? That makes 250 a day. Some people must surely do the calculation because I notice the article isn’t open for comments. So to repeat the question, do you know of any site in French for skeptically-minded French people?

Jane
Jane
Mar 27, 2020 7:53 AM
Reply to  Steve Church

Thank you. I was suspicious when Macron made eleven childhood vaccinations compulsory and hadn’t known about the precise conflict of interest among his advisers, which the article in the blog describes. I must look and see how Dr Raoult’s patients are getting on with quinine and antibiotics.

Jane
Jane
Mar 27, 2020 8:37 AM
Reply to  Steve Church

Also, I’ve just realised that the Covid page on Swiss Propaganda Research also exists in a French translation.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 26, 2020 7:34 PM
Reply to  anita

Also, models, in whatever sphere: epidemiology, climate science, economics….include assumptions made by the modellers. They have to, since they cannot know absolutely everything about complex systems.

And also, to quote the old (but true) cliché: garbage in: garbage out. So if you feed in bad data to a dodgy model….

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Mar 26, 2020 10:39 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

The apposite cliche’ is ‘All models are wrong, but some are useful’. Climate models, for instance, have advanced greatly, both in prediction and retrograde analysis of past climatic conditions, as observations have grown in number, diversity and quality, paleo-climate data been added and computer power grown.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 26, 2020 12:09 PM

So here is how the pathetic tory bozo the clown policy of keyworkers kids being forced to go to their own schools is going.

The school has to stay open which means admin staff, food staff and a teacher or two. All being exposed and not self isolating.

The children? A handful , in some places less than a handful – some even from the same household.

They have to be at their school devoid of all their friends in a ghostly environ and having a completely separate experience to all their mates!

The simple plan would have been to have just one common centre for all different schools and it needn’t have been a school either – a safe secure ‘holiday camp’ experience like the scouts have .. kids would make new friends, parents not need to worry, teachers and staff not increasing risk and isolation.

But no we have a clown tory government with head bozo the clown ratcheting down on the poir, vulnerable and self employed while zillions are handed over to the usual suspects and bigwigs.

Fuck em all . And when they flex their new ‘mad dog’ powers from this weekend, fuck em even more.

We have another week or so until the inflexion point I expect and once actual proper tests are available to every household – it will soon become clear that many millions have already had and recovered from ncov since January.
Of course the clown circus will claim it was this lockdown that did it. And people will believe it.
———

Anyway here is a tweet from Elijah Magnier not on Syria but a fact i didn’t know till yesterday evening.

‘Novel strain of sars-associated coronavirus and applications thereof;
European Patent Office ‪#Coronavirus‬
2010-08-04 Publication of EP1694829B1; Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique CNRS Institut Pasteur Universite Paris Diderot (Paris 7)’
———

Fuck em all!

SteveEss
SteveEss
Mar 26, 2020 1:02 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

DunGroanin…
It doesnt sound like you’re done groaning, not by a long shot… Keep at it, my friend… We all need to be groaning louder…

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 26, 2020 7:39 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Agree with much of the above, but are proper tests really going to be available to every household? Are you talking about home testing kits? Sounds interesting, but I somehow doubt this is really feasible, is it? Or reliable? (More genuine questions, by the way).

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 27, 2020 12:58 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Mike,
The science on this is moving fast. The technology and production capacity is capable of moving quickly too.
Its weeks not months or years (as in a vaccine).

There are in my understanding two tests that are needed.
First to test if someone is carrying the virus and second if they have developed an immunity response to it.
The first is developing a dna type of test which looks for specific strands of the virus genome which only belongs to the n-cov virus – it is based on mapping the full genome of the virus – there are now over 100 such different genomes and they are identifying which bits to test for – it takes about 4 hours to get a result using a machine in a lab to do that.
Anyone having a positive on that is likely to spread it even if they themselves are not ill.
The second test is for antibodies and takes about 15 minutes!
This is a test of a drop of blood from a finger to which is added a reactant that shows up the specific anti-bodies the infected person develops to the virus to kill it.
This would show in people who are ill and still have the virus and can transmit.
Or people who are asymptomatic and still have the virus and can transmit.
Or people who had an illness but are better now and still have the virus and could still transmit.
Or people who had developed the antibodies and are clear of the virus meaning they are not able to transmit it ( as near as one can say that).

So to establish who is safe to be in contact with and won’t transmit – they either haven’t got the virus or they have fully recovered.

Tests for antibodies can therefore be done first and then for the virus second.

If you knew you had antibodies you could be in contact with others who also had the antibodies. But not necessarily with these who didn’t have antibodies unless you had the longer test to confirm you were free of the virus.

I hope that makes sense.

Here is a South Korean company with its new product
http://sugentech.com/products/products-view.php?ct=7&target=32%27

There will be others – we may yet be able to get them online and delivered via Ali baba.

Andy
Andy
Mar 26, 2020 11:39 AM

They threaten prison for those not keeping their distance, yet ironically they are talking about releasing prisoners to avoid spreading the disease in prisons. But I suppose they would argue that robbery/burglary/assault is not as heinous as staying two metres appart from the next person.

I can’t see it happening, but what this needs is a hashtag to get everybody start flashmobbing and watch the police flounder around.

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Mar 26, 2020 12:17 PM
Reply to  Andy

And North Yorkshire Police have announced they’ll be setting up roadblocks and questioning motorists where they are going and what they are doing. Funny how they’ll manage to find time to do this, but can’t find time to deal with CRIME!

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 12:51 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

predictable, very predictable.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 26, 2020 1:18 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Paradise for all the little Hitlers amongst the PC Plods

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Mar 26, 2020 1:18 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Thanks for the info. It occurs to me I’m pivoting a lot of things I don’t like

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 26, 2020 7:50 PM
Reply to  Cicatriz

I’m convinced that the word “Lockdown” gives the psychopathic cretins who govern us, and their MSM poodles an instant hard-on. It’s probably better than Viagra.

Keith
Keith
Mar 26, 2020 2:21 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Not sure where they are getting the legal authority to do this. MPs promised to gift police the powers, but seem to have sodded off on holiday before doing so.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 26, 2020 7:44 PM
Reply to  Keith

I think the bastards wrote a blank cheque that Johnson could cash at any time.

Refraktor
Refraktor
Mar 26, 2020 4:20 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Maybe there won’t be much crime with the populace incarcerated. Look on the bright side no one should catch a cold this year.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 26, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Miners’ Strike, anyone?

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 26, 2020 7:42 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Bloody hell: they weren’t even doing that in southern France today…..thank god. We got to the airport unscathed, and the flight wasn’t cancelled, so back in cheerful Blighty again, with all you miserable buggers. (joke).

morris vanderpump
morris vanderpump
Mar 26, 2020 1:53 PM
Reply to  Andy

i am a satanist and i think 3m or 13 m is best along with 66m once we factor in 666m
and final solution of 6million meter metres
it is all a numbers game is it not
already

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 26, 2020 7:43 PM
Reply to  Andy

Madness. And if those going to prison are already infected….

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Mar 26, 2020 11:27 AM

WTF is going on here! Can someone please explain, because I just don’t get it:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/london-hospitals-facing-tsunami-of-coronavirus-patients-overwhelmed

The latest figures show 2500 people in London to be infected. Assuming a 20% rate of serious condition, that’s about 500 people requiring hospital treatment. There are about 90 hospitals in London, so that’s about 6 cases per hospital. Now I know there will be hotspots within the hotspot, and some of the hospitals won’t be suitable to deal with bat flu, but come on! Am I missing something, or what?

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 26, 2020 12:50 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

People with viral infections usually put up with it, or stay at home for a couple of days, but when they’ve been pummelled with the idea that this is the plague they panic and turn up in hospital. No doubt maxing their distress in order to ensure they are treated first.

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Mar 26, 2020 12:53 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Yes, that will undoubtedly be happening, but the Grun reporter, or the people briefing him, would have us believe they are all bat flu patients.

morris vanderpump
morris vanderpump
Mar 26, 2020 1:56 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

goy just believe

Nassah
Nassah
Mar 26, 2020 2:20 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

The Guardian are worst than the tabloids – you know what your getting with the latter, but the former pretend to be all about social justice when in fact they are just middle class people trying to make themselves feel good by preaching to everyone else. They are incredibly Londoncentric, and equate listening to Stormzy with political activism, and think that because they did/do a bit of youth work that they are really ‘edgy’ and ‘real’.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 26, 2020 2:34 PM
Reply to  Nassah

A poster on here a couple of days back compared the style of Guardian articles on this issue to NLP Neuro-linguistic programming,