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Labour Shoots Itself in the Head

W Stephen Gilbert

Beyond the world transformed by Covid-19 – save Brazil, a country according to its maverick president free of the virus – a few scheduled events are still ticking over. The Labour Party will proceed to unveil a new regime on April 4th. And it will be making an historic choice.

Barring a major upset, it is going to elect Keir Starmer as its first leader in possession of a knighthood.

Indeed, neither has any leader in all the party’s 120 years been created a knight after leaving the leadership, not even Tony Blair (who, many believe, would settle for no title short of Order of Merit and President-for-Life).

Margaret Beckett, who was acting leader for two months after the untimely death of John Smith in 1994, subsequently accepted a damehood (and, uniquely for a former leader, has already remained an MP thereafter for more than a quarter of a century); several ex-leaders have gone to the Lords, though none since Neil Kinnock. But there have been no knights. You can bet that Jeremy Corbyn will not accept a knighthood or a peerage, even if either were offered.

Meanwhile, the leadership election necessary in the Liberal Democrat Party has been postponed until next year. In the interim, by convention, the party is co-led by the deputy leader and the (revolving) party president.

Sir Ed Davey, runner-up to Jo Swinson in the last leadership election, will hence have been acting co-leader for at least a year and may be considered a shoo-in eventually to succeed Swinson. Thus is offered the amusing spectacle of both nominally left-of-centre parties being led by knights of the realm.

The Conservatives – now repositioned as claiming to be the party most representative of every class stratum, even while being led by an Old Etonian (though an untitled one) – has not chosen a leader with a title since Lord Home in 1963, and he was the last to be appointed by party grandees; his immediate successor, Edward Heath, was the first to gain the leadership through an internal election.

Home was obliged to renounce his peerage (following the precedent set by Tony Benn, the former Viscount Stansgate) and fight a faintly humiliating by-election as Sir Alec Douglas-Home in a safe Tory seat in Scotland in order to lead the nation from the Commons. It’s an indication of how far in the past is this event that there could have been such a beast as a safe Tory seat in Scotland.

So Labour is apparently no longer concerned to be viewed as a party that foregrounds levelling up and greater social equality.

Though Sir Keir flourishes working class origins, working class people will not obviously identify with a chap independent-school and Oxford educated whose position prior to becoming an MP – he was Director of Public Prosecutions – carried with it an automatic knighthood.

It’s a widely canvassed view, within as well as outside the party, that Labour has progressively lost touch with its grassroots and its traditional base. Indeed, the most dramatic illustration of this supposed trend was offered by the December election, whereat Labour lost seats all across the North of England and the Midlands, most of them for the first time in living memory. As well as the parliamentary party being deemed elitist and London-centric, it was also widely perceived as being dominated by those who wished to remain in the European Union, a group led by none other than Sir Keir Starmer.

The loss of support by both Labour – Corbyn having offered a further referendum following a renegotiation of the Brexit deal in an attempt to prevent further departures from the parliamentary party – and the Liberal Democrats – who vowed to stop Brexit altogether and return to the EU, and were rewarded by the loss of both the leader’s and the party EU spokesman’s seats – confirmed that a large majority outside London wanted the 2016 referendum result ratified as it stood. Those of us in the party who warned of this outcome had been shouted down.

In view of the evident reassertion of voter distrust towards men in suits, it beggars belief that Labour should seek its salvation under the leadership of a middle-class knight of the realm who sits for a North London seat and who staked his politician reputation on “saving” the nation from Brexit. Nevertheless, unless something very unlikely occurs before the party votes are counted, Sir Keir will be elected leader on the first ballot.

Looking at the platforms on which the three candidates stand, however, there seems precious little to choose between them. Sir Keir has very deliberately tacked to the left, where the support for Rebecca Long-Bailey is largely rooted. Lisa Nandy, though more individualist than her rivals and, as a backbencher, feeling less obliged to pay lip service to the 2019 manifesto, can be seen as leftish on most issues.

The most noticeable element in what will seem to define the party’s immediate future will be that, once again, the party has not entrusted its fate to a woman leader or indeed – an option offered by Nandy – a mixed heritage leader. The face of the chief party of the left in Britain will be what it has always been: that of a middle-class white man.

None of these candidates is going to win support from the mainstream media. Long-Bailey is vulnerable to being dismissed by the Corbyn-hating press as “the Corbyn continuity candidate” and hence readily decried as beaten before she starts. Nandy will be more elusive for the media to get a purchase on, but the outrageous maligning by the Daily Mail of Ed Miliband’s father Ralph as “The Man Who Hated Britain” will doubtless be rerun about Dipak Nandy, another Marxist immigrant intellectual with an impeccable reputation ripe for besmirching. Lisa Nandy should ready herself for this, even if she fails to become leader.

For Starmer, the Tory press will reserve special venom. Unlike his rivals, he declines to rule out the possibility of the UK rejoining the EU at some future time. That is sufficient motivation for the press barons to seek to destroy him. They will not have to look far into his record as DPP to find material that can be spun to his disadvantage.

As I’ve argued on this platform before, the two Tory prime ministers who both lost the support of the Tory press and subsequently lost a general election during the past half-century were the two prime ministers who were most enthusiastic about the European Union: Heath and John Major. This is not a coincidence. No other Tory prime minister lost office.

Although the potency of the European issue can be expected to recede, the Tory press will never give a fair ride to a leader of any party, let alone Labour, who is palpably pro-EU. That’s just a fact of life. Given all the other elements of Labour philosophy that the press barons are fundamentally opposed to, the party will be doing itself no favours, to say the least.

At the Dudley hustings on March 7th, Starmer said:

If people think we were cruising to victory but for Brexit, then I suggest they weren’t out there campaigning.”

I doubt anyone fancied that Labour were cruising to victory. But to pretend that Brexit wasn’t a major determining factor in the Tories’ win – and it contributed to the votes that the Conservatives took as well as to the votes that Labour shed – is to rewrite history.

As Starmer showed in the Channel 4 debate, he’s not prepared to hack retrospective chunks out of Corbyn, which is a) shrewd because he wants support from the hundreds of thousands who (re)joined the party precisely because of Corbyn’s leadership; b) understandable because the time for post mortems is past; but c) less than candid because nobody believes that he won’t jettison some of the policies – yet to be indicated – that Corbyn championed.

And there’s a disconnect between Starmer’s pose of relative loyalty to the retiring leader and the manifesto and the fact that he (as indeed do his rivals) readily concedes that Labour suffered its “worst defeat in 85 years”, as if it’s a judgment on the Labour movement and/or its leader and/or its manifesto in isolation from any other contributor to the political debate.

The Brexit issue, its framing and its timing, the mainstream media’s relentless mendacity, the global political climate in the time of Trump, the opposition’s innate inability to control, dictate or lead events, all these and other factors played into the election result too.

As I’ve argued here before, changes of government in Britain are extremely unusual – just twice in 40 years. Changes of government do not come about by oppositions winning elections, but by governments losing them. Labour needed to establish that thought in the electorate’s collective mind, but what has been conceded already makes that too late.

This is repeating the error that followed the 2010 defeat, when both Harriet Harman as acting leader and her successor left unchallenged the saw that “Labour crashed the economy”. If there’s one change that Labour sorely needs to make, it is to revolutionise its propaganda effort.

Starmer has foolishly committed himself to a number of what are deemed to be pledges or guarantees, ten in all. Politicians cannot guarantee anything because of “events, dear boy, events”. Covid-19 changes everything but no one could have foreseen that at the last election.

Rather, politicians should make clear what they exist to do, what are changes that they must make if they humanly can because those changes are the foundations of the movement that they lead and represent. But it can only ever be an undertaking about the direction of travel. As Jim Callaghan – a wise old bird if ever there was one – once observed: “you never reach the promised land. You can march towards it”. Undertaking to implement specific policies is a guarantee only of disappointing the electorate.

One of the issues on which Starmer is explicitly critical of his party in recent years is that of anti-Semitism.

In this, he is joined by Nandy and Long-Bailey; indeed, the last is the most outspoken of the three on the issue. Invited, in the Channel 4 debate, to give some indication of support for the Palestinians, all three gave voice to the conventional liberal stance but none undertook to recognise the state of Palestine (which, it may be noted, they were not invited to do).

Evidently, under all the leadership options on offer, any party member will be obliged to write in a uniquely treading-on-eggshells manner about anti-Semitism and about Israel.

At grave risk to myself, I essay this observation: I venture that Corbyn’s undertaking to recognise the state of Palestine in his first week of taking office fuelled a certain amount – I put it no stronger – of the effort both within and without Labour to impede his progress to Downing Street.

Now that the objective has been achieved, I hazard that it will be instructive to observe to what extent the allegations of anti-Semitism in the party go into a decline.

I propose that no fair-minded, unprejudiced reader could construe my argument as either overtly or constructively anti-Semitic.

As all leadership candidates subscribe to the astonishingly unBritish view that anyone accused of anti-Semitism (but not of anything else) will be deemed guilty until proved innocent, I should probably expect that I have written myself into trouble, despite that palpably nothing here offends against the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism. Such are the times in which we live.

Starmer, Long-Bailey and Nandy all uttered conventional platitudes about online abuse. As with all such sentiments, the assumption is that no one associated with the speaker has ever gone in for abuse. There is a widespread implication that threats and vile comments on social media are only ever expressed by members of the extreme right and the Corbyn-supporting left.

But three years ago, according to no less an authority than MailOnline, an analysis of MPs’ Twitter feeds found that no Corbyn supporter registered in the ‘Top Ten’ for foul language and abuse, but that six habitual critics of Corbyn did. Indeed, it’s hard to imagine that any MPs receive more online abuse than Corbyn and Diane Abbott.

None of the putative leaders is advocating a simple and clearly beneficial control on social media. No tweet, no post, no text, no email should be untraceable by the regulator of the platform. The anonymity that trolls hide behind should only apply to what is readily traceable by other platform users. But the platform should not be permitted to open itself to users whom it cannot identify, expel and report to the appropriate authorities. If the price social media users pay is that the platforms are able to send them more adverts, it’s a price that is worth paying.

But there is a degree of piety about abuse that doesn’t bear much scrutiny. Politics, in a venerable finding, is “a rough old trade”.

Smears, dirty tricks, blackmail, parliamentarily protected slander and much else was part of the armoury of political exchange long before anyone invented online abuse.

Under the guise of protesting hurt, politicians sometimes fend off legitimate comment and criticism with claims of abuse. Grown-ups should know to roll with the punches, ignore empty gestures and reflect that most of the shit flung at them sticks to the flinger.

If Jeremy Corbyn can calmly face down Dame Margaret Hodge calling him to his face “a fucking anti-Semite and a racist” and it not even occur to him that some sort of reprisal might be justified, the rest of us can be a little more broad-shouldered when a maladjusted stranger blows us a raspberry.

Starmer as party leader had better brace himself for a tidal surge of disobliging comment from the press that will feel not unlike abuse. If he doesn’t possess the evenness of temper and the single-mindedness of purpose that inured his predecessor against despair and doubt, he will find his new role the proverbial poisoned chalice. I suggest he prepares an arsenal of pre-emptive and reciprocatory ammunition with which to deter his circling enemies.

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wardropper
wardropper
Apr 2, 2020 5:22 PM

We simply have to take Mark Twain’s comment about voting (which I have mentioned often enough) utterly seriously. The system we think we are voting for is something else entirely. Denial and refusal to educate oneself about this is going to do our species in. Our “representatives” represent something we would never dream of allowing into our government if we had the faintest idea of what it really is. And by now many of us certainly have more than a faint idea of what it is.
Start researching at elementary level with “The Emperor’s New Clothes”, and then try Part II of Goethe’s “Faust”.

Molloy
Molloy
Apr 2, 2020 12:54 PM

Are we not missing the point?

War criminals walk freely in the UK State.

Every single “political party-institution” continues to welcome war criminals and war-crime facilitators and those who look the other way.

What does this convey about human beings within UK society?

“. . . and if he has learned that he who craves or shuns the things that are not under his control can be neither faithful nor free, but must himself of necessity be changed and tossed to and fro with them, and must end by subordinating himself to others, those, namely, who are able to procure or prevent these things that he craves or shuns. . . . “
—Epictetus

”Twas ever thus”, the enablers do say.

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ChrisG
ChrisG
Apr 1, 2020 3:16 PM

The resignation of Corbyn undoubtedly represents a blow to the left, as it was intended to. The changes that have taken place in Labour though, are very far-reaching , especially at rank and file level, but also to a large extent within the party apparatus, so that the phenomenon known as the Corbyn Revolution cannot be reversed very easily, as the more sober minded bourgeois analysts have understood. On 13th December, (2019), the Economist published an article under the title “Jeremy Corbyns crushing defeat”, which concluded glumly: “Blairism will remain in the grave”.
The prostitute media tries to present this setback, (Labour election defeat), as the beginning of the end for Labour. In retrospect it will be seen merely as an episodic development. When the reality of Brexit finally dawns on people, there will be a violent reaction against Boris Johnson and all his works. His government will become the most unpopular government in recent history.

These perspectives were written by the IMT before covid19. Certainly if the Blairite Trojan horse Kier Starmer is elected Labour Party leader it would be a significant step back for the left. With covid19 and governmental reactions against the virus, the world is moving into much more serious class tension, (and uncharted territory).

Thom
Thom
Apr 1, 2020 1:52 PM

Labour wold have ‘shot themselves in the head’ whoever they had chosen as their leader. That is their role in British ‘democracy’ – to lose, and then be very apologetic and meek having done so, never questioning the system.
And if the sinister and ridiculous coronavirus panic around the world demonstrates one thing it is that national democracy means very little.
I have no real hopes for Starmer or the Labour Party – but on the other hand, he doesn’t seem a bad fellow, and there is a chance that he is cunning enough to know his way around the elephant traps that got Corbyn.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 1, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  Thom

He was the elephant trap that finally got Corbyn.

Dave Lawton
Dave Lawton
Apr 1, 2020 8:55 PM
Reply to  Thom

He is a member of the elite Trilateral Commission. Penny dropped yet?

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 2, 2020 5:23 PM
Reply to  Dave Lawton

Labour grass-roots should be dropping bricks on his head, or at least making a fuss…

John A
John A
Apr 1, 2020 10:09 AM

I imagine were Corbyn to have been elected, Trump and fat liar Pompeo would already be recognising some Starmereque character as interim prime minister, immediately parroted by 60 vassal states, and imposing swingeing sanctions until ‘democracy’ was restored.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 1:09 PM
Reply to  John A

that sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory to me. obviously, such a thing could never happen in the real world.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Apr 1, 2020 8:37 AM

As the plague of hubris infects almost everyone at the top of the pecking order, the Earth will chew them up and spit them out.
Or should that be ‘shit’ ?

johny conspiranoid
johny conspiranoid
Apr 1, 2020 8:35 AM

And then there’s the postal ballot.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 4:34 AM

Labour Shoots Itself in the Head

if only.

that would be the most helpful thing that institution could possibly do, at this juncture in history. but no, they will determinedly stagger on, performing their intended function of absorbing the time and energy of hundreds of thousands of people, which might otherwise be invested in the construction of real popular resistance movements.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 12:58 AM

Why don’t the Labour Party just appoint Nick Cohen or Freedland as leader, or Howard Jacobson perhaps, and get it over with?

paul
paul
Apr 1, 2020 10:39 PM

They already have done.
The Board of Deputies is firmly in charge.
Our chosen friends rule the Labour roost with a rod of iron.

Ken Kenn
Ken Kenn
Mar 31, 2020 10:52 PM

The fact is that no Left Wing Labour Party will ever be allowed to tun the country.

May made it very clear at least three times in Parliament.

Pro European views may play a big part but the main thing after 40 plus years of Neo liberal economics is to keep the Old Order.

The EU has hardly played a blinder looking after the ‘Community’

The Covid19 virus has temporarily diverted the train into the Sidings but it will be back with new wheels and a Tory will be the Driver and Starmer can be the Guard right at the back.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 31, 2020 10:05 PM

Both Starmer and Nandy would be the pliable and in their pocket choices for leader.

Just have to look at the Groaniads support for them.

Sir Keir was put into CPS leadership role by Blairand and Campbell in readiness for any blowback from the Inquiries into the illegality of the WoT. He was rewarded by the knighthood and the easy Camden seat.

Amongst his greatest crime was the pursuit of Julian Assange and overseeing the infamous memo to the Swedish authorities to ‘not dare get cold feet’ when the swedes decided Assange had no case to answer. The only reason to extradite him there would have been to get him extradited to the US and into the clutches of Obama and the neocon ds. It may even been easier to have him extraordinarily renditioned.

That the fact that an unconvicted of any outstanding crime is imprisoned in high security and not allowed out while awaiting an extradition hearing is the biggest political prisoner human rights violation of this century- and not a peep out of Sir Keir!

That alone should have disqualified him for being voted for by the Labour members. Never mind hisfailure to reveal his backers!
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I expect Sir Boris may soon be rising under HMQ’s sword afore long for his great work o defeating the virus and ready to lead the country to the hard brexit and subdue the Scottish independence rebels – as the once and future actual king.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 31, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

I agree with your points above the line.

I know what Craig Murray tells you dungroanin, but he’s biased. The UK is a constitutional monarchy.

Boris is in charge, not the Queen.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 31, 2020 11:16 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

And I am NOT a monarchist.

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Apr 1, 2020 1:01 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Boris may be a mis-translation of Yorick (I knew him well, Horatio). We await his Coro-Nation. Shaking one’s speare: “Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown”. There is indeed a great game afoot, and Boris is well out of his league. He is a useful idiot for now, but I suspect his vanity, superficiality and genuine buffoonery will be his undoing.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 1, 2020 1:00 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

I don’t need Craig Murray to tell me about Starmer.

We are also a theocracy in that setup.

The Crown is the always power in the land.

The privy council is its hand.

I see the purpose of our stumbling about below the lines of the various watering holes as a search for truths that will help us stumble towards freedom- not necessarily for our own personal benefit but for the future if society, in this country, and human lifes prospects in the future. What we have is because of long dead and forgotten fight against the ancient order if slavery and brute force power and what we are leaving to the future is not a progress on that but a reversal.

I am trying to not let that happen by understanding wtf is going on and such didactics we engage ourselves in as strangers in such forums is therefore not pointless.

I hope we can achieve some agreements before we are stopped because the mass shut down in social discourse through diversions of many sorts has led to the degradation of the human condition.

For me the fact is Julian Assange is a political prisoner in MY country – for no crime committed in this country – on behalf if these ancient slave owner classes.

It is worse than Gandhi or Mandela because they at least were imprisoned in their own lands. Assange is tortured for revealing crimes by the world powers against the whole world.

It makes me sick to think that in this so called seat of modern civilisation dumb britons don’t see such a massive human crime. We are no better than the Germans who let nazism rise and fetted their fuehrer – no different at all!

Peace JP.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 1:01 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

The Assange obscenity tells you ALL you need know about Mr. Starmer. Down and down you go, with no prospect of rock bottom, yet, but just give it a little more time.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 4:27 AM

on the plus side, once such a personage is installed as leader of the “Labour” Party, no decent person need ever again wonder about wisdom of voting for that collection of fascist scumbags.

as if Tony Bliar hadn’t already settled that question, long ago. the Corbyn episode probably served as a useful demonstration of the futility of such hopes.

Andrew F
Andrew F
Apr 1, 2020 4:40 AM

And not to forget that Sir Keir hailed formerly from Doughty Street Chambers.

Despite the torrent of visitors going in and out to tell us how near he is to death, we never hear from Assange directly. He is on remand, he has a right to speak and communicate. No doubt he’d have an awful lot to say, but the tight circle of gatekeepers (including of course Jen Robinson of Doughty Street, and sadly also Craig Murray and John Pilger) apparently steered by Hillgrove PR are actively gagging him.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 1, 2020 6:43 PM
Reply to  Andrew F

LIAR

Andrew F
Andrew F
Apr 2, 2020 1:29 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Care to be more specific?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 2, 2020 2:15 PM
Reply to  Andrew F

The bit about torrent of visitors.
The bit about him being allowed to speak.
The bit about gagging him.
The bit a out Craig Murray.

LIES

Andrew F
Andrew F
Apr 2, 2020 4:15 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

As a remand prisoner Assange has 3 social visits per week. Sometimes these have been made very public (M.I.A. just before she went to see the Queen to pick up her MBE). For the most part we never hear anything about who it is that goes in and out. But the one constant is that we never actually get a detailed direct message conveyed out from him to us.

Of course he’s being gagged. Who is gagging him? It isn’t the prison, it isn’t the rules, it’s the inner circle.

The PR for Assange is being handled by (Labor connected) Richard Hillgrove of Hillgrove PR. Coincidentally he also does PR for Vivienne Westwood and even more coincidentally her son is an owner of the PR firm.

Prior to 28 March 2018 Assange was a prolific Tweeter on all topics several times a day most days. As soon as his internet was cut off someone took over his account and ever since it has operated as a PR campaign account rather than as even a semblance of his voice.

When Assange was dragged out of the embassy on 11 April 2019, Richard Hillgrove appeared on Radio NZ (he is originally from NZ). He spoke in November 2018 about how the PR campaign he was running was deliberately “depersonalising” Wikileaks to make Assange an abstraction rather than the focus of the organisation to draw attention away from the man and onto the general concept.

Craig Murray is, or has been, a central player in the inner circle. He may very well have been duped, but he has been there nevertheless. He attended a meeting of the inner circle at Doughty Street Chambers shortly after Assange was evicted. Not long after that he answered a query in the comments on his blog from one of the many concerned people about the apparent lack of legal activity by saying “don’t get the PR campaign confused with the legal campaign”.

Those are the facts.

paul
paul
Mar 31, 2020 9:57 PM

Does it really matter to anyone (except themselves) which neoliberal, pro austerity, warmonger Friend of Israel picks up Jezza’s somewhat tarnished crown?
Whether it’s one of the wimmin, an ethnic, a shirt lifter, or a trannie?
Does anybody really care?
The Labour Party is a lost cause, a dead end, a waste of time and effort, a waste of space, a waste of a man’s rations.
It just diverts time and effort from more productive activity.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 4:40 AM
Reply to  paul

what’s a “shirt lifter”?

it sounds like some kind of a slur, but who can really tell, these days.

Richael
Richael
Apr 1, 2020 9:56 AM
Reply to  milosevic

It’s a derogatory term for a homosexual.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 1, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  Richael

There are others. Pretty uncouth 70’s/80’s speak now well binned like other slurs for foreigners (non-english) – you get a slap down instantly by being dumb enough to use it in a offensive manner, often literally!

Iain
Iain
Mar 31, 2020 9:34 PM

It also looks like Starmer will be elected despite the fact it looks like he has breached Campaign Rules by not premptively “Declaring his Interests” before voting started, as the other two candidates did and as required by the HoC MPs Code of Conduct, LP rules for probity and Nolan Principles. All he has done so far is to “Register his Interests” which is a seperate albeit Complementary procedure.

In the LE20-Candidate-Code-of-Conduct
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/LE20-Candidate-Code-of-Conduct..pdf
CANDIDATE SPENDING AND REPORTING clause 12 it says
” It is the personal responsibility of each candidate to ensure that a full and accurate record is kept of all donations and loans to their campaign and reported in compliance with the House of Commons rules and PPERA. ”
This means MPs Code of Conduct rules apply for reporting Interests which means “Declaring Of Interests” as well as reporting them.

Here’s why.
In the MPs code of conduct it says on page 31
Chapter 2 Declaration of Members’ Interests
“Requirements for declaration
4. Members are required, subject to the paragraphs below, to declare any financial interests which satisfy the test of relevance, including:. { clauses a-d ommitted } …….

e) financial interests which require registration but have not yet appeared in the published Register;”

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmcode/1882/1882.pdf

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Mar 31, 2020 8:47 PM

“…a safe Tory seat in Scotland in order to lead the nation from the Commons.”

The Scottish nation, would that be; the English nation; the Cymreig nation? Which one? Why ‘the’ nation? Do you think there’s only one in the island of Britain? Which piece of England-centric unexamined impudence will you use once Scotland actually is an independent nation again?

Koba
Koba
Mar 31, 2020 10:51 PM

Christ almighty get a grip of yourself

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 1:03 AM
Reply to  Koba

Asa former seminarian, surely you should not be taking the Lord’s name in vain?

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 4:51 AM

which Lord would that be?

as far as I understand, there are said to be three of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_theology#God_in_Trinity

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Apr 1, 2020 1:04 AM

Good Man, Rhisiart. Have at them.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 31, 2020 8:44 PM

When I saw the title “Labour shoots itself in the head”

My first thought was “Finally it’s done the decent thing”

Jen
Jen
Mar 31, 2020 8:34 PM

I wish W Stephen Gilbert had not brought identity politics into the article in his mention of Lisa Nandy as a woman of “mixed heritage”, as if those features bestow on her extra IQ points, and I wish that he had found out what the Labour Party grassroots membership – the people who supported Jeremy Corbyn – actually want as their leader.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 31, 2020 10:10 PM
Reply to  Jen

I’ll be kind and assume he was talking about her political mixed heritage. Unless he wants to clarify for himself.
It seems he isn’t suggesting to the last minute voters to go for Rebecca.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 5:01 AM
Reply to  Jen

as if those features bestow on her extra IQ points

IQ points are passe, if not politically incorrect.

what’s hot these days are Intersectional Identity points. every neoliberal institution is buying them up as quickly as possible; (post)modern Public Relations entirely depends on them.

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Mar 31, 2020 8:29 PM

it beggars belief that Labour should seek its salvation under the leadership of a middle-class knight of the realm

But that’s what the party members voted for.
Those that don’t like it can go join George’s branch of the SWP.
I know democracy is a tough for totalitarian lefties to comprehend.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 31, 2020 9:54 PM
Reply to  Trots-R-Us

I don’t remember the centrists and Blairites being too happy about the democratic election of Jeremy Corbyn to the leadership (twice), nor the democratic decision to leave the EU.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 31, 2020 11:22 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Mike and Trots I think you both make good points here.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 5:05 AM
Reply to  Trots-R-Us

George who?

if you imagine that GG would touch the SWP with a ten-foot pole, then you are grossly ignorant of the world of the sectarian left.

Pablo
Pablo
Mar 31, 2020 8:23 PM

Memo to Keir Starmer from John McTernan:
“There’s no problem with a witchhunt when there really are witches“

Pablo
Pablo
Mar 31, 2020 8:24 PM
Reply to  Pablo

Memo to Keir Starmer from John McTernan
There’s no problem with a witchhunt when there really are witches
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/april-2020/five-rules-for-ruling/

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 1:06 AM
Reply to  Pablo

McTernan would know. He helped out our worst Labour PM ever, the ghastly Gillard, and helped move her even further to the Right. That turned out real well.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Apr 1, 2020 4:06 AM

Indeed, if the new Labour leader follows McTernan’s advice they will fare as well as the hapless Gillard. McTernan’s memo advocates an approach to politics which is inescapably totalitarian.

He has been a frequent “guest” on the ABC’s national radio channel in which he has lied about and smeared the UK Labour Party and Corbyn – without the slightest questioning from the ABC’s sycophantic and incompetent “interviewers”.

It can be confidently predicted that, within hours of the new Labour leader being announced, McTernan will be back on Radio National ranting his usual line. And, of course, there will be no ‘diversity of perspectives’ from “our” ABC.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 4:16 AM

Exactly, Cap. He’s a pet Corbyn-hater, always welcome in the ABC yeshiva. Similar is Ian Kunt, a blathering slanderer often on with philosemite Phil Adams, a vicious Corbyn smearer.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Apr 1, 2020 10:42 AM

The ABC sure knows how to pick ’em!

Ishmael
Ishmael
Apr 3, 2020 10:46 AM

Yet the Murdochite psychopaths still hiss and spit that the ABC is ‘ Leftwing’.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 31, 2020 7:33 PM

And unlike the Tories and the Lib Dems is yet to elect a woman as it’s leader.

Richael
Richael
Mar 31, 2020 8:28 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

its leader

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 31, 2020 10:45 PM
Reply to  Richael

And the winner of the “pedant of the week” award goes to … Richael. Congratulations!

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 31, 2020 10:57 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I apologise, but its just a big annoying and patronising. Address my point. I don’t need your correction. (lol)

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Mar 31, 2020 8:32 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

It’s shocking isn’t it? Diane Abbott should have been appointed immediately and without a vote, for the sake of balance, innit?

paul
paul
Mar 31, 2020 10:01 PM
Reply to  Trots-R-Us

Vote for the vagina! Vote for the vagina! We want the vagina!!
Extra points for big knockers!

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 5:13 AM
Reply to  paul

vaginas are passe. what’s hot these days is trans-vaginas.

also, a quite acceptable modern substitute for big knockers is (big) girl dicks. (one per person, you understand)

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 31, 2020 10:45 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

That’s a criticism of Labour and not an endorsement of the other two.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 5:22 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

if that’s a criticism of Labour, then Margaret Thatcher must be an endorsement of the Conservative Party.

Those who live by Identity Politicks, also shall they die by Identity Politicks. — some dead white guy

Koba
Koba
Mar 31, 2020 10:57 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Good on you pretty mate straight in with the identity politics! Like voting a female capitalist liar as labour leader would do anything other than make YOU feel better about yourself (for some reason)

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 31, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  Koba

No, you misunderstand. I hate identity politics. I was just rubbing Labour’s nose in it.

They come out with all that sh*t, yet they are the only party in the UK without a woman leader.

Richael
Richael
Mar 31, 2020 7:31 PM

I wrote an earlier post about an article on ‘Jewish Voice for Labour”s website about Ken Loach, Peter Gregson and ‘Show Racism the Red Card’. I have copied the email I received from JVL. I’ll paste if below. I wasn’t impressed with what JVL said . They don’t want to ‘ wash the dirty linen in public’ but they are quite happy to publicly print allegations that Gregson is mysoginist and antisemitic! I’d like to know what people think please.

Here’s the exchange :
Comment:
Was it really necessary for Ken Loach to distznce himself from Gregson in this way? Sure if Gregson is racist or sexist , by all means condemn him. However in this case , as I understand it, Loach advised Gregson on criticism of INHRA . Shouldn’t Loach concentrate on that? Let’s say Gregson is racist and sexist ( for the sake or argument- I don’t know if he is or not. I haven’t seen the allegations)…does that mean he is not allowed to criticize INHRA?

You submitted the comment above to the JVL website. We have not approved it. Here is why.

We know that people are worried that Peter Gregson is being made a scapegoat. Gregson had been an active campaigner against the deployment of the IHRA definition to conflate opposition to Zionism with antisemitism at the point where he came to our attention as a victim of unjust disciplinary procedures by his union GMB. We defend his – and indeed everyone’s – right to a proper hearing, transparency and due process in any proceedings, whether in the Labour Party or in another organisation.

It was on that basis and that understanding that Ken Loach responded positively to an email from Gregson early last year requesting his support. However, since then it has become clear that Peter Gregson’s campaigning against the IHRA definition was accompanied by other behaviour that was quite unacceptable.

Ken Loach has been presented with incontrovertible evidence, which JVL has seen, of repeated antisemitic comments by Peter Gregson, as well as a pattern of behaviour towards a Jewish GMB officer in her twenties that justified the charge of misogynistic bullying. That is why Ken Loach made the statement you are concerned about. At JVL we do not think that washing this linen in public will serve any useful purpose.

Richael
Richael
Mar 31, 2020 7:14 PM

On the subject of definitions of antisemitism …Jewish Voice for Labour has published a couple of articles about pressure ( successfully) having been put on the charity ‘ Show Racism the Red Card’ to not allow Ken Loach to be a judge in a competition. When I read the articles, I wondered if Ken Loach and JVL have behaved fairly towards Peter Gregson ? I also wondered if JVL has behaved fairly towards its readers in its reporting of this matter. According to the JVL, Ken Loach is alleged to have made the folllowing statement to ‘Show Racism The Red Card ‘about Peter Gregson :”He [Loach]profoundly regretted not making himself aware of Gregson’s character and the complete picture. Had he possessed that knowledge, Loach said, ‘I categorically would not have engaged with him.’ Does anyone know what exactly Gregson has said or done that makes him someone that Loach should not even engage with? The JVL and Loach have decried the witchhunt in the Labour party….but what about them? Are they consistent? – JVL gave no facts about the alleged bad character of Gregson …and are we supposed to give someone a questionnaire before we engage with them asking if they have ( or have ever had ) a bad character and ask for details??!!! ( I am not defending racism … but if Gregson is racist ( and I do not know if he is or not)…I am just wondering why Ken Loach thinks he ought to have known ????? I think Loach looks very silly in this matter! Another thing: Gregson has published an article in a publication called ‘ Redress” in which he rejects the allegations that he is antisemitic and mysoginist ( this is how Ken Loach described him according to JVL). JVL do not even appear to have given Gregson a ‘ right to reply’. They just repeat these allegations about him without even saying whether or not he accepted them as true. We are living in really scary times. Off Guardian seems to be one of the few places where one can express oneself freely . ( I posted comments on the JVL articles about Loach, raising the issues about fair reporting I have raised above. JVL refused to publish my comments and they said in an email to me ‘ We have seen incontrovertible evidence that Gregson is antisemitic”. ( Apparently that was an explanation as to why they did not publish my comment)Strange! Jvl and Ken Loach have made some legitimate complaints about people/ certain bodies bandying about allegations of AS against Corbyn/ Labour without substantiating them ….but I am just supposed to accept JVL’s word for it that ‘ there is incontrovertible evidence that Gregson is antisemitic’ without their giving particulars or even mentioning that Gregson did not even accept these descriptions of him !! Other scary stuff: Gilead Atzmon being ‘ disinvited ‘ by the 606 Jazz club. I note that certain people/ bodies call him a ”holocaust denier”..which he is certainly not. THANK YOU to Kit Knightly for his article pointing out that people should have the right to deny the holocaust . It is so shocking that anyone who defends this right is immediately accused of being a holocaust denier ( instead of a rational person who is being consistent about the right to freedom of speech)!!! Just one other point on Gregson- there was a report on Gregson in a Scottish newspaper ( I think it was the Herald). Gregson made a complaint to the regulatory body ( IPO? something like that ) about alleged inaccuracy of the report. The report was about , amongst other things, what Gregson was alleged to have said about the holocaust. According to the newspaper Gregson had said ‘ the holocaust was exaggerated’. What Gregson infact said ( and this is accepted by all parties I believe) was that ‘ Israel exaggerates the holocaust for political purposes’ . His complaint was not upheld. as far as I can recall bcause the regulatory body said that there was no significant difference between the report and what Gregson actually said. I find that extraordinary. I think that there is a HUGE difference between what he actually said and the report. Has anyone else follosed these stories? I’d love to hear your views please.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 1:14 AM
Reply to  Richael

The Zionists WILL NEVER stop using the tactic of false accusations of ‘antisemitism’ until people have the guts to stand up to them. That these foul lies are emanating from a group that includes numerous truly vicious racists, Islamophobes, bullying thugs, war-mongers and recidivist liars, makes it even worse. Of course the Zionists EXPLOIT the Nazi Judeocide for brainwashing purposes-that is INCONTESTABLE and hardly surprising. Yet everyone, even Loach, cower and run for cover at the first shot.

lundiel
lundiel
Mar 31, 2020 6:17 PM

I will never vote again. Labour would only get my vote if they dismissed all their MPs and asked communities to choose constituent representatives who would then draw up a manifesto.
Almost all MPs of every party are corrupt by way of being careerists in hock to Lobbyists and factions.
There should be no factions within any British political party that identify with foreign countries, governments, religions, identities or particular genders. Constituents should be free to dismiss their representatives if they are not serving them.

Guy Malcolm
Guy Malcolm
Mar 31, 2020 7:06 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Whether you vote or not, lundiel, after the next election we will have either a Labour or a Tory government.

bob
bob
Mar 31, 2020 7:11 PM
Reply to  Guy Malcolm

only because the electorate doesn’t think beyond the next episode of ‘I’m a celebrity’ ………….

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 1:15 AM
Reply to  bob

Fifty percent, by definition, are below median intelligence, many far below. That’s the beauty of ‘liberal democracy’.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 31, 2020 7:35 PM
Reply to  Guy Malcolm

I’m not sure there’s a lot of difference Guy.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 31, 2020 8:14 PM
Reply to  Guy Malcolm

No – whatever happens we will have a ‘System góvernment’

Christ. I’ve been hearing that all my life:

“Oooh, you’ll let the Tories in bla bla bla”

It makes no damned difference who you vote for!!

However, the fact that you vote gives legitimacy to the System.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 31, 2020 8:15 PM
Reply to  clickkid

PS – I was a member of the Labour Party for 5 years.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 5:39 AM
Reply to  clickkid

and what good did that do you?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 1:16 AM
Reply to  clickkid

Whatever happens you will have a kakistocracy, and plutocratic kleptocracy and a pathocracy all rolled into one.

johny conspiranoid
johny conspiranoid
Apr 1, 2020 9:04 AM
Reply to  clickkid

Not voting gives legitimacy because it says your not against the status quo enough to bother to vote for a non status quo, i.e. marginal, party.

paul
paul
Mar 31, 2020 10:04 PM
Reply to  Guy Malcolm

We will have either a dogshit sandwich or a catshit sandwich.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 5:43 AM
Reply to  paul

why can’t our sandwich contain both varieties simultaneously? it really makes one miss the good old days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Government_(United_Kingdom)

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Mar 31, 2020 8:33 PM
Reply to  lundiel

George’s SWP are waiting for you to join.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 5:51 AM
Reply to  Trots-R-Us

there’s no such organization; you imagined it. maybe your own undiagnosed sectarianism is causing you to suffer from paranoid delusions.

https://workerspartybritain.org/about/

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Apr 1, 2020 9:20 AM
Reply to  milosevic

George represents the working class as much as Nigel Farage does. Different backgrounds and professions, but both political professionals.

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Apr 1, 2020 9:22 AM
Reply to  Trots-R-Us

But don’t get me wrong, I like George, especially his total verbal destruction of the US Senate and their Evil Empire.

johny conspiranoid
johny conspiranoid
Apr 1, 2020 9:01 AM
Reply to  lundiel

Lundiel;
You should vote because even if the candidate you vote for has no chance the vote shows support and encourages the candidate and friends to continue. Its a long road to any kind of tipping point but the sooner you set off the sooner you get there.
Labour will crash and burn like the LibDems after Charles Kennedy.

lundiel
lundiel
Apr 1, 2020 10:00 AM

Who should I vote for? I see the future as enforced voting, otherwise Western managed democracies will be elected by between 20 and 30% of eligible voters which would prove their illigitimacy and remove their right to govern.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Mar 31, 2020 6:13 PM

Labour is dead. What about Galloway’s new party? Are there any other new parties worth looking into?

Beyond the world transformed by Covid-19 – save Brazil, a country according to its maverick president free of the virus – a few scheduled events are still ticking over.

You’ll be interested to know that Twitter is now censoring Bolsonaro’s account!

As well as the parliamentary party being deemed elitist and London-centric, it was also widely perceived as being dominated by those who wished to remain in the European Union, a group led by none other than Sir Keir Starmer.

Can you say ‘controlled opposition,’ boys and girls? 😉

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 31, 2020 7:36 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Galloway would have us all on lockdown.

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Mar 31, 2020 8:35 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

…after shipping us off to Venezuela. At least the weather is much nicer over there, less COVID too.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 1:17 AM
Reply to  Trots-R-Us

You’d prefer Colombia with its ever active death-squads, wouldn’t you ‘Diarrhoea-is-me’.

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Apr 1, 2020 9:24 AM

No, I prefer colder climates, I like Russia.

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Mar 31, 2020 8:34 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

George’s new party is just George’s friends from the SWP. Same old, same old.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 5:56 AM
Reply to  Trots-R-Us

obviously, you’re too stupid to know the difference between trotskyists and stalinists. maybe you should join the Conservative Party; you’d probably fit right in.

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Apr 1, 2020 9:27 AM
Reply to  milosevic

You left out the Leninists, Bolsheviks, Maoists. You’re slipping Slobodan.

johny conspiranoid
johny conspiranoid
Apr 1, 2020 9:14 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Lenin said “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”
There’s a man who believed in the efficacy of conspiracy and in the importance of class struggle and economic forces at the same time. Perhaps they cannot be seperated.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 31, 2020 5:51 PM

The Labour Party is ‘nailed to the perch’.

It is an ex-political-party

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 6:00 AM
Reply to  clickkid

no, they’re just resting.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Mar 31, 2020 5:03 PM

I don’t know why it is necessary to keep on making the point that not just the Labour party but all over Europe social-democracy is in retreat. In France the PS is now a spent force, in Germany the SPD seems in irreversible decline. The old and once might Italian Communist Party is now just another centrist outfit calling itself the Democratic party. In Greece Syriza, the less said the better. And so it goes on.

They heyday of European social-democracy was the post WW2 era of Kenyesian economic policy and an enfranchised working class, both economic and political. This lasted until approx 1945-1971. Then came the neoliberal counter revolution. Social-democracy had neither the political, economic and cultural basis for a fight-back and adapted hook, line and sinker to the new order – Blairism being bastard child of the once mighty Labour movement. Callaghan’s speech at the party conference had signalled the abject surrender in 1976. How did it go now? Ah, yes, I remember:

”We used to think that you could spend your way out of a recession, and increase employment by cutting taxes and boosting Government spending. I tell you in all candour that that option no longer exists, and in so far as it ever did exist, it only worked on each occasion since the war by injecting a bigger dose of inflation into the economy, followed by a higher level of employment as the next step. Higher inflation followed by higher unemployment. That is the history of the last twenty years.”

Ergo ….?

More of the same is frankly delusional.

Guy Malcolm
Guy Malcolm
Mar 31, 2020 7:13 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Maybe Callaghan was wrong in 1976? Maybe he is wrong now?
We had 30 good years after WW2 which ended with the Nixon Shock – which was only a shock because the USA had insisted on tying all currencies to the dollar (Bretton Woods 1945) instead of Keynes’ plan of tying all currencies to a virtual currency for international trade (the “bankor”).

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 31, 2020 10:16 PM
Reply to  Guy Malcolm

Callaghan and Healey ushered in monetarism that was persued by Thatcher – they created the conditions which made the country turn against its postwar consensus – like the gang of 4 they were Atlantist moles to usher in the reversal of that covenant and unleash the NWO.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 1:23 AM
Reply to  Guy Malcolm

The Thirty Glorious Years after the war, when the plebs did OK, were granted only out of fear of communism. After 1971 and the Powell Memorandum, the parasites decided to rule as ‘Gods Upon the Earth’, not citizens of an evanescent ‘liberal democracy’. And now you have record inequality, record elite wealth, record poverty, global ecological collapse, geopolitical chaos and mountain ranges of unpayable fiat-created debt, as a result. Elite greed and misanthropic xenophobia are millennia old, at least, and intractable and insatiable.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 6:09 AM

the Powell Memorandum

… deserves to be more widely known:

https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/powellmemo/

Michael
Michael
Mar 31, 2020 4:54 PM

Irrespective of any other consideration, Starmer happens to be a member of the Trilateral Commission. Anyone who believes this is consistent with his claim to be as champion of the working classes is living in la la land. Sir Keir may have appropriatged the Christian name as the father of the Labour Party, but little else. Starmer is a fifth columnist and potential facilitator for the globalist elite’s plan to replace nation states with a world government presided over by an unelected technocracy.

jay
jay
Mar 31, 2020 5:03 PM
Reply to  Michael

They’re all the same…playing games with us all.
If voting changed anything, you’d be arrested for doing it.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 31, 2020 9:59 PM
Reply to  jay

Or put under lockdown.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 6:12 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

now you can be put under lockdown from the comfort of your own home.

isn’t modern technology wonderful?

dedaStanko
dedaStanko
Mar 31, 2020 6:13 PM
Reply to  Michael

Thank you for pointing that out Michael..That’s all I need to know abour Sir Keir..Should have read your comment before the article.

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Mar 31, 2020 8:37 PM
Reply to  Michael

🙄

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 1:24 AM
Reply to  Michael

Why do you think that the MI6 Daily, aka the Guardian, vermin prefer him.

Borncynic
Borncynic
Mar 31, 2020 4:29 PM

“The most noticeable element in what will seem to define the party’s immediate future will be that, once again, the party has not entrusted its fate to a woman leader or indeed – an option offered by Nandy – a mixed heritage leader. The face of the chief party of the left in Britain will be what it has always been: that of a middle-class white man.”

You completely lost me with this bit.

You also forgot to mention that Nandy is the grandchild of a life-peer, a career politician with no outside achievements, who enjoyed the advantage of an all female selection list.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 31, 2020 3:39 PM

The current Labour Party – Thatcher’s finest achievement!

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 31, 2020 5:49 PM
Reply to  George Mc

1997 – After ‘Thatcher’ the chilling Sequel: ‘Son of Thatcher’

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 31, 2020 8:18 PM
Reply to  clickkid

And the sequel to the sequel is even worse: “Spawn of Thatcher” – spawn being any number.

John Thatcher
John Thatcher
Apr 1, 2020 2:26 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Well,the PLP anyway George.

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Mar 31, 2020 3:16 PM

“The most noticeable element in what will seem to define the party’s immediate future will be that, once again, the party has not entrusted its fate to a woman leader or indeed – an option offered by Nandy – a mixed heritage leader. The face of the chief party of the left in Britain will be what it has always been: that of a middle-class white man.”

Give it a rest! What the hell has the colour of his skin, or his sex, got to do with anything at all? That’s half the problem with Labour. There’s too much pressure to select people on tick-box issues instead of merit.

I’ll give you a couple of reasons that went against the Labour Party making progress at the last election: too much time spent navel-gazing about anti-Semitism, something that the vast majority of potential supporters neither care about, or even know about. And secondly, a similar introspection about men in frocks.

paul
paul
Apr 1, 2020 12:36 AM
Reply to  Alan Tench

What do we want?
Toilets for trannies!
When do we want them?
Now!!

gordon
gordon
Mar 31, 2020 3:01 PM

is he related to john wooboys sim ilar look ia it not
jeremy beleives in global warming and gender fluids for all
so at this stage
this system is a closed loop is it not

never in the history of mankind has so many words been deleted erased

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Mar 31, 2020 2:50 PM

“If Jeremy Corbyn can calmly face down Dame Margaret Hodge calling him to his face “a fucking anti-Semite and a racist” and it not even occur to him that some sort of reprisal might be justified, the rest of us can be a little more broad-shouldered when a maladjusted stranger blows us a raspberry.”

Bernie Sanders, the US equivalent of Jeremy Corbyn does not only “calmy face down” Joe Biden, his opponent after being called a communist he tells his supporters Biden is his “good friend” a “decent man” and someone who “can beat Trump.” Go figure…….

“Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations that have long since bought and paid for, the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pocket, and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and the information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else. But I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t
want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them.”
― George Carlin

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Mar 31, 2020 6:17 PM

I really miss George Carlin. Bill Hicks, too. 🙁

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Mar 31, 2020 6:51 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

The mainstream media is so reactionary that if Carlin was still alive, he would be denied a platform to expresss his satirical insightful humor. Now we’re “stuck” with the likes of pathetic cynical Bill Maher a reactionary shill for neoconservatives and the security state.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 1:27 AM

Boynie is a phony-he accepted being cheated in 2016, and his is even more meekly accepting the even more blatant vote-rigging this time.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 1, 2020 12:41 PM

You’re right, he’s more meek now than he was in 2016.

Loverat
Loverat
Mar 31, 2020 2:49 PM

In my view, Labour is now an irrelevance. Labour is a party with a large number of Blarite career politicians in MP and more senior ranks. Grass roots support for the true values of the party remain but if I was a member I would resign and choose to fight the causes away from the political arena. The other parties are morally corrupt and any independent political groups could not break through.

I knows shes American but Tulsi Gabbard is an example of someone who could have been successful campaigning on the platform of foreign policy only (it was a compelling message, did not get through sadly) Then endorsed Biden which totally betrayed her supporters. The future I believe should be people campaigning on these critical issues but staying outside of politics. It can be done I think with a good message, right timing and a bit of luck.

I think we should accept that politics for people who care is mainly for dummies. Choose your causes away from political constraint and temptations of personal advancement. The most intelligent and principled people I see have withdrawn from this irrelevance ,Hitchens, Galloway, Williamson perhaps are doing great work on individual issues and should be supported. And look at the various non aligned independent journalists, academics and commentators – they may be largely sympathetic to Labour values but do great work outside of politics.

Its working out the correct message (not hard) and getting it in the mainstream (much more difficult)

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 1:29 AM
Reply to  Loverat

Gabbard is another phony. You really don’t think that any honest person gets to engage in US electoral politics, do you?

Pablo
Pablo
Mar 31, 2020 2:48 PM

Bread and circuses:
politics is just theatre;
just a distraction folks;
the politicians just puppets; bought, paid for and owned by their masters – who dictate the political direction and pull their strings; the main two parties here and in the US just two cheeks of the same arse.
If you can’t see that now, what will it take to open our eyes?

Anticitizen one
Anticitizen one
Mar 31, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  Pablo

Yes, vote Labour for left buttock, vote tory for right buttock. Either way you’ll end up with the arse hole in number 10.

Pablo
Pablo
Mar 31, 2020 7:07 PM
Reply to  Pablo

This man deserves a wider audience…. please watch and share…
https://youtu.be/Dks_8UVOdDI

Grafter
Grafter
Mar 31, 2020 2:46 PM

Labour is finished and reviled in Scotland. Another establishment stooge will make no difference just as in America whether Democrat or Republican it is all a front for those who own and control the money supply.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Mar 31, 2020 6:19 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Yup. “[T]hose who own and control the money supply” are our real owners.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Mar 31, 2020 8:17 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

I am not property, Seamus.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 1:31 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Didn’t reach the reserve price, eh?

Richael
Richael
Mar 31, 2020 6:31 PM
Reply to  Grafter

What do you make of the SNP’s stance on criticisms of Israel and George Soros? Doesn’t seem like a party of free speech to me .

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 31, 2020 10:04 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Perhaps, but it won’t take long for the SNP to become just as reviled. Corruption. Incompetence. Arrogance. All the seeds are there.

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 1, 2020 10:36 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Way off the mark there Mike. Those “seeds” will never bloom under our drive for Independence.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 1:30 AM
Reply to  Grafter

Like the private ‘Federal Reserve’ about to take over the ‘US’ Treasury. Victory, planned for millennia, complete!

bob
bob
Mar 31, 2020 2:45 PM

No worries here – the labour party is dead

kevin morris
kevin morris
Mar 31, 2020 4:17 PM
Reply to  bob

That has been said many times before but Labour still goes on. In my constituency, grass roots Labour Party members are out shopping for the elderly who cannot get out and although in some ways it pains me to say it, I’m sure some Tories are doing very similar. It’s all very good making blanket statements of doom but you should remember that politics is about the pursuit of the possible and thankfully, some public spirited individuals would rather try and meet people’s needs than sit at home being reading drivel about the Labour Party being dead.

bob
bob
Mar 31, 2020 5:14 PM
Reply to  kevin morris

thanks Kevin – the labour party is dead – it’s irrelevant that people are looking after one another – you don’t need a party badge to be human!!

kevin morris
kevin morris
Mar 31, 2020 6:48 PM
Reply to  bob

No it isn’t!

What is relevant is that Labour has the grass roots organisation to help in a situation such as this one. Don’t underestimate the importance of relationships built up over many years and such simple things as a base with access to a telephone and to volunteers.

Labour has always done this and will do so once again. Its facile to pretend that people will help each other as a matter of course. Frankly, many people won’t and many of those who won’t will complain, perhaps even in these august pages where there is never a shortage of people who know what has to be done to put the world to rights.

bob
bob
Mar 31, 2020 8:12 PM
Reply to  kevin morris

what was it George Carlin said – something like no point in arguing with idiots because they’re well practised and will always win ……

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 6:25 AM
Reply to  kevin morris

Labour has the grass roots organisation to help in a situation such as this one.

what would help in a situation such as this one, is for people to point out that the virus scare is a hoax, intended to deflect blame away from the neoliberal ruling class, for the upcoming Second Great Depression.

not holding my breath for the willful idiots of the “Labour” Party to help with that project.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 1, 2020 6:20 AM
Reply to  kevin morris

you should remember that politics is about the pursuit of the possible

— meanwhile, the global billionnaire class decides what is and what is not “possible”, and then leaves the shouting and posturing to their politician-puppets.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Mar 31, 2020 2:31 PM

I read this article with an increasing feeling of incredulity. The author seems not to have noticed that elections have been cancelled, the right to trial by jury suspended indefinitely, the right to assembly ended, the right to family life seriously curtailed, the right to freedom of expression undermined, the right to freedom of movement within the country ended. The author seems not to have noticed that a police state has been instituted and that parliament has provided the state with dictatorial powers and voted for its indefinite suspension. Democracy has been overthrown, human rights have been discarded, and our liberties are nought but a memory.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 31, 2020 3:30 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

not only that, but he insists that dangerous dissidents should always be subject to state monitoring and punishment; anonymity must be made impossible.

clearly a fascist, if he finds fascism not only acceptable, but a necessity.

No tweet, no post, no text, no email should be untraceable by the regulator of the platform. The anonymity that trolls hide behind should only apply to what is readily traceable by other platform users. But the platform should not be permitted to open itself to users whom it cannot identify, expel and report to the appropriate authorities.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Mar 31, 2020 4:11 PM
Reply to  milosevic

It seems fascism is rather fashionable with the faux left.

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Mar 31, 2020 2:22 PM

He or she that is nomily in charge of England is in a similar situation to the Greeks were to the Romans . Totally subservient to American desires , regardless of so called party affiliations , as pointed out here, while supplying artists and various cultural icons to that military oligarchy.

gordon
gordon
Mar 31, 2020 2:20 PM

i like john woorboys sorry keir starmer he has an honest face.
he looks like an honest city of london type no skeletons cooling here hare
you can take that to the b i s bank as fact

on a side note who owns the bank of england simple question

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Mar 31, 2020 10:22 PM
Reply to  gordon

The Government owns it.
As to who runs it – well that’s a bit shady at best – it is ‘independent’ apparently.

Wazdo
Wazdo
Mar 31, 2020 1:59 PM

As a man who spent 25 years on the factory floor, here in the West Midlands, and who has many friends who continue to do so I can tell you that overwhelmingly workers on the shop floor read, and believe, what the S*n and the Fail tell them.

They voted Brexit because they were told to; they voted Tory because they were told to: they are obedient to their masters.

New Labour won elections under Tony Blair because the S*n backed him and the S*n backed him because he was and remains a conservative. The objective is to ape the US system; 2 parties, one set of policies expressed in different words.

Added to which the First Past the Post electoral system is weighted in favour of the Tories; it takes the Tories fewer votes to get their MP’s elected elected than a Labour candidate.

Long live the peoples Republic of Liverpool and Greater Manchester: at the last election not one Tory was elected there (please correct me if I’m wrong but I did check on the day after the election).

I wonder Why?

Ivan notabot
Ivan notabot
Mar 31, 2020 2:24 PM
Reply to  Wazdo

Well said

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Mar 31, 2020 3:29 PM
Reply to  Wazdo

Wazdo, Dunno about Scouseland, but you are way out for Greater Manchester. Even Bolton Bury and Middleton went Tory

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2019-12-12/general-election-2019-results-for-greater-manchester/

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 31, 2020 3:34 PM
Reply to  Wazdo

They voted Brexit because they were told to; they voted Tory because they were told to: they are obedient to their masters.

well, f*** them, then. they deserve whatever they get. if they’re too stupid to care about their own interests, why should anybody else?

Marou
Marou
Mar 31, 2020 1:53 PM

An uninspiring bunch of contenders indeed and unless the winner grasps the point so signally avoided by the writer – that working class voters in the Northern ‘safe’ seats hated Corbyn and preferred to vote for a bumbling racist – they might as well prepare for another demoralising defeat. Not that those whose only contact with the workers is giving the bin-men their Christmas box will repine – their commitment to the Red Flag will remain unsullied. The only glimmer of hope is the rumour that Starmer’s first action will be to defenestrate Milne, Murphy, Formby et al to loud applause from everyone who prefers power to daydreaming.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Apr 1, 2020 11:32 AM
Reply to  Marou

One side of my family hails from the north-of-England working class. The electoral arithmetic confirms that the slump in that demographic’s support for Labour stems from the party’s reneging on its 2017 commitment to implement Brexit. Corbyn, whom they are supposed to ‘hate’, has always been a Euro-sceptic The backtrack was chiefly the doing of the Blairites, whose lord and master reputedly put ten million quid of his undeserved riches into the stop-Brexit campaign.

We shall see how much that demographic ‘loves’ Boris when – as surely as night follows day – he presents them with the bill for the current bail-out. And we will also see how much they ‘love’ Starmer when they discover that he does not rule out Britain’s rejoining the EU.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 31, 2020 1:24 PM

The argument about anti-semitism should be countered very simply: the Palestinian people are Semites in the main, so any Israeli treating them like vermin is anti-semitic.

People need to be educated about who the Semites are (they are absolutely NOT the Jews) and they need to be educated about quite how many Semites the Israelis would happily go to war against.

When that has been achieved, Israel’s false status as the nation of Semites will be pulverised and the time will be ripe to ask just how ‘racist’, ‘antisemitic’ the right-most quarter of Israeli society actually is.

If the Chief Rabbi says that only Jews are semites, tell him to pack his bags for Jerusalem after having renounced his UK citizenship.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Mar 31, 2020 2:00 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Yes I’ve raised this with people that Arabs are Semites not the Jewish. And its bamboozling to them that this is the case.

gordon
gordon
Mar 31, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

biggest bamboozle in history
many of my film friends are khazar ashkanazim and they do not like all these swarthy oriental semite types.

the simple fact is today we can all self identify what was that song feelings nothing more than feelings

i can self identify as a woman so why not a female semite everything is fluid is it not
for the record i can assure the house i will never self identify as new hitler
already

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Mar 31, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Jewish is a religious position and those born in greater Palestine are generally semites unless the children of immigrants that flooded in after WW2. European and American followers of the middle eastern sand god Yahweh are generally not semites.

jay
jay
Mar 31, 2020 4:27 PM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

More tribal, anyone can join today, without sacrificing your wee man’s hoodie.
No longer necessarly religous, many so called Jews are atheists…
Originally, the “Chosen People” where necessarly descendants of Abraham and from one of the 12 Tribes. Abraham was of the line of Shem, hence “Semetic” actually, Shemetic.
Most Jews residing in Israel are not of Shem, they are of European descent, 90% so they are not The Chosen People in a Biblical Godly sense anyway.
So, Israel is not their ancestral homeland. I am a Scot and would have an equal claim.
Israel was a God given land and God forbade the recreation of Israel…
The prophecy: At the end of Time God’s servant would gather together the seed of Abraham together from around the world.
Incidently, those in Christ are considered by God to be the Seed of Abraham….

Richael
Richael
Mar 31, 2020 6:35 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Don’t you know there are new definitions of everything now? There’s a special Westminister dictionary. Generally everything has been reversed ( black is white, good is bad). If you look up antisemitism it says ‘ consult with BOD’