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Bob Dylan’s Midnight Message to JFK’s Ghost

Edward Curtin

For murder, though it have no tongue, will speak with most miraculous organ.”
Hamlet

On May 1, 1962, President John Kennedy was meeting in the Oval Office with a group of Quakers who were urging him to do more for peace and disarmament. As he kept explaining, the great political opposition he was facing within his own government, they kept urging him to do more.

He listened very closely to their words and finally said, “You believe in redemption don’t you.”

By the next spring he had turned decisively toward the peacemaking the Quakers had urged upon him, resulting in his murder in the fall by treacherous government forces, led by the CIA, that opposed him all along.

Now that Dylan has burst forth from behind his many masks and gifted the world with his incandescent new song about the assassination, with a title taken from Hamlet, from the mouth of the ghost of the dead King of Denmark – “Murder Most Foul” – we have entered a new day in an odd way.

For those who have wondered over the years if Dylan had “sold out,” here is their answer. For those who have wondered if he would go to his grave reciting the words of T.S. Eliot’s J. Alfred Prufrock – “I am no Prince Hamlet nor was meant to be” – here is Hamlet’s booming response.

Not only does this song lay bare the truth of the most foundational event in modern American history, but it does so in such a powerfully poetic way and at such an opportune time that it should redeem Dylan in the eyes of those who ever doubted him.

I say “should,” but while the song’s release has garnered massive publicity from the mainstream media, it hasn’t taken long for that media to bury the truth of his words about the assassination under a spectacle of verbiage meant to damn with faint praise. As the media in a celebrity culture of the spectacle tend to do, the emphasis on the song’s pop cultural references is their focus, with platitudes about the assassination and “conspiracy theories,” as well as various shameful and gratuitous digs at Dylan for being weird, obsessed, or old.

As the song says, “they killed him once and they killed him twice,” so now they can kill him a third time, and then a fourth ad infinitum. And now the messenger of the very bad news must be dispatched along with the dead president.

The media like their Hamlets impotent and enervated, but Dylan has come out roaring like a bull intent on avenging his dead president.

He has the poet’s touch, of course, a hyperbolic sense of the fantastic that draws you into his magical web in the pursuit of deeper truth. In many ways he’s like the Latin American magical realist writers who move from fact to dream to the fantastic in a puff of wind.

Dylan is our Emerson. His artistic philosophy has always been about movement in space and time through song. Always moving, always restless, always seeking a way back home through song, even when, or perhaps because, there are no directions. “An artist has got to be careful never to arrive at a place where he thinks he’s at somewhere,” he’s said. “You always have to realize that you are constantly in a state of becoming and as long as you can stay in that realm, you’ll be alright.”

Sounds like living, right.

Sounds like Emerson, also.

“Life only avails, not the having lived. Power ceases in the instant of repose; it resides in the moment of transition from a past to a new state, in the shooting of the gulf, in the darting to an aim. Thus one fact the world hates, that the soul becomes.”

“Murder Most Foul” is Dylan’s soul becoming.

“A song is like a dream, and you try to make it come true. They’re like strange countries that you have to enter. You can write a song anywhere …. It helps to be moving. Sometimes people who have the greatest talent for writing songs never write any because they are not moving,” he wrote in Chronicles.

“Murder Most Foul” is a moving song in every sense of the word – a trip to truth.

Dylan has long been accused of abandoning his youthful idealism and protest music. I think this is a bum rap. He was never a protester, though his songs became anthems of the civil rights and anti-war movements. There is no doubt that those songs were inspirational and gave people hope to carry on the good fight. But in turning in a more oblique and circumspect musical direction, following his need to change as the spirit of inspiration moved him, Dylan’s songs came to inspire in a new way.

You could always tell his sympathies lay with the oppressed and downtrodden, but for decades he didn’t shout it, with perhaps the one exception being the powerful, hard-hitting, and mesmeric Hurricane in 1975. With that one he stepped into the ring to brawl.

But for the most part over the years, a listener has had to catch his drift. If you go to the music, and dip into his various stylistic changes over the decades, however, you will find a consistency of themes. He deals with essentials like all great poets. Nothing is excluded. His work is paradoxical.

Yes, he’s been singing about death since twelve, but it has always been countered by life and rebirth. There is joy and sadness; faith and doubt; happiness and suffering; injustice and justice; romance and its discontents; despair and hope. His music possesses a bit of a Taoist quality mixed with a Biblical sensibility conveyed by a hopelessly romantic American.

He has fused his themes into an incantatory delivery that casts a moving spell of hope upon the listener. He is nothing if not a spiritual spell-binder; similar in many ways to that other quintessential American – the Beat poet Allen Ginsberg, whose best work was a poetic quest for an inspired salvific poetry.

While speaking the unspeakable truth about President John Kennedy’s murder might seem hopeless, it is actually a sign of great hope. For our only hope is in telling the truth, which Bob has done.

This is art, not theory, and art of a special kind since Dylan is an artist at war with his art. His songs demand that the listener’s mind and spirit be moving as the spirit of creative inspiration moved Dylan. A close listening will force one to jump from line to line, verse to verse – to shoot the gulf – since there are no bridges to cross, no connecting links. The sound carries you over and keeps you moving forward. If you’re not moving, you’ll miss the meaning.

I have no wish to explicate the poet’s brilliant work. It speaks for itself. It says far more than it actually says about a system rotten to the core, a country where everything went wrong since “The day the killers blew out the brains of the king/Thousands were watching, no one saw a thing.”

If you listen to Dylan’s piercing voice and follow the lyrics closely, you might be startled to be told, not from someone who can be dismissed as some sort of disgruntled “conspiracy nut,” but by the most famous musician in the world, that there was a government conspiracy to kill JFK, that Oswald didn’t do it, and that the killers then went for the president’s brothers.

Your brothers are comin’, there’ll be hell to pay
Brothers? What brothers? What’s this about hell?
Tell them, “We’re waiting, keep coming,” we’ll get them as well

This is an in-your-face tale, set to music with a barely tinkling piano, a violin, and a soupçon of percussion, whose lightest words, as Hamlet’s father’s ghost said to him:

Would harrow up thy soul, freeze thy young blood,
Make thy two eyes like stars start from their spheres,
Thy knotty and combinèd locks to part,
And each particular hair to stand on end
Like quills upon the fretful porcupine.

“Murder Most Foul” truly startles. It is a redemptive song. Dylan holds the mirror up for us. He unlocks the door to the painful and sickening truth. He shoves the listener in, and, as he writes in Chronicles, “your head has to go into a different place. Sometimes it takes a certain somebody to make you realize it.”

Bob is our certain somebody. In these dark times he has offered us his voice.

You believe in redemption, don’t you?

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Jay Khaye
Jay Khaye
Apr 9, 2020 4:40 AM

Seems to me Bobs song is gloating over kennedy’s Death. Fuck him.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Apr 9, 2020 1:30 AM

Dylan was despised by Pete Seeger for going electric and changing the protest movement away from Woody Guthrie’s hard knocks grass roots organized Socialism towards commercial Capitalistic noise pollution & inebriated drug counterculture that was expressed best with LSD & Timothy Leary who was a garden variety CIA text book Psychopath. Dylan sold out to commercialism & big entertainment profit making. In 2020 we can be sure that old Bob is likely having flashbacks of his lost youth & purpose post-1963. Bob Dylan singlehandedly destroyed the folk protest 50s & 60s grass roots unamplified hootenanny movement to change social conditions… Read more »

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 10:20 AM

‘Judas!’.

1of7billion
1of7billion
Apr 7, 2020 10:18 PM

Well for all its fine talk about being morally superior to the MSM the off-G just censored me for no good reason I can see.

I came here to get away from censorship, but I see it’s still here.

So I’m off now, best wishes to all here, and I hope you all live to see a better world someday.

Goodbye.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Apr 8, 2020 12:10 AM
Reply to  1of7billion

Your comment was in the spam folder. The system sometimes misfires and drops real comments in there. I restored it for you.

Gerry Mohan
Gerry Mohan
Apr 6, 2020 9:59 PM

As my own comment seems to have got deleted here’s one from Noam Chomsky from a short interview about the Great Hero: “Kennedy is not even worth discussing. The invasion in South Vietnam – Kennedy attacked South Vietnam, outright. In 1961-1962 he sent Air Force to start bombing villages, authorized napalm. Also laid the basis for the huge wave of repression that spread over Latin America with the installation of Neo-Nazi gangsters that were always supported directly by the United States. That went on and in fact picked up under Johnson.” *** Daniel Falcone: Do you find it odd that… Read more »

Herr Ringbone
Herr Ringbone
Apr 10, 2020 8:02 AM
Reply to  Gerry Mohan

Yep. Kennedy was an asshole. Dylan is too, and he doesn’t even have Kennedy’s premier redeeming feature as an asshole, that of being dead. He even managed to troll the whole world by scoring the Nobel for Literature! Is there no God?

livingsb
livingsb
Apr 6, 2020 7:55 PM

I appreciate Dylan’s re-opening of the subject, but this is a god awful song. In the same amount of time you can read Jim Marr’s Crossfire for amore accurate account.

tfs
tfs
Apr 6, 2020 3:03 PM

FBI/Secret Service: Yeah, cause they love JFK in Dallas, we are gonna play lefty/righty in Dealey Plaza so his adouring fans get get an up close look at him and the first lady, but well make sure crowds are reduced in the kill zone.

lets do it…..

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
Apr 6, 2020 1:52 PM

Who is Bob saying did it ?

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
Apr 6, 2020 11:08 AM

Is Bob saying Jackie did it ?

Don
Don
Apr 6, 2020 11:52 AM
Reply to  Marfanoid

No

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
Apr 6, 2020 1:51 PM
Reply to  Don

Thankyou Don.

Roland Rat
Roland Rat
Apr 6, 2020 2:11 AM

Keep hearing “Timberwolf” wouldn’t it be great if we finally got some justice!

Gall
Gall
Apr 5, 2020 11:24 PM

The list of suspects involved in the Kennedy Assassination is quite long and may have involved a confluence of interests as suggested by the late Fletcher Prouty. Some those same interests were involved in 9/11 and other false flag terrorist attacks.

Also one of those interests may have been Israel according to the late Michael Collins Piper:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/File:Final_Judgment.pdf

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 6, 2020 12:49 AM
Reply to  Gall

JFK intended ending the private banking cabal’s so-called ‘Federal Reserve’s’ hold over the US economy. He intended forcing Israel to give up its nukes. He wished to shatter the CIA into fragments. He was certainly asking for it.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 5, 2020 10:31 PM

Way too little and way too late. Sadly.

Taigen Leighton
Taigen Leighton
Apr 5, 2020 8:11 PM

Very good article, thanks. Yes, JFK was working for peace, together with Khruschev, (secretly from militarists in their own governments) after the Cuban Missile Crisis, including working to end the Cold War and planning a joint manned moon mission. This is what led to JFK’s assassination by the powers that be. All this is Very thoroughly documented in the tremendously important book, JFK and the Unspeakable, by James Douglass. As for Bob Dylan, though it has been thought that he abandoned “protest” when he went electric, Not true. He has indeed been singing against oppression, inequality, and masters of war… Read more »

1of7billion
1of7billion
Apr 5, 2020 8:03 PM

Thanks to Charlotte Russe below for quoting the song lyrics, which I found very entertaining, and probably wouldn’t have sought out myself if she hadn’t done that. As I don’t think Bob will mind, I’ll tag on a few verses of my own, though on the current topic of COVID-19, though as I don’t know the tune, they’ll just have to stand or fall in their own right: “It looks like Donald has just got into his car Without a face mask on and a big cigar He’s cruisin down the highway doin’ 99 Watchin’ dead people in the COVID-19… Read more »

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 6, 2020 1:06 AM
Reply to  1of7billion

“And though cats can also get it, I ain’t nobody’s pet”

While two dogs in Hong Kong and two cats, one in Belgium and one in Hong Kong, living with people diagnosed with COVID-19 have been reported to be infected with SARS-CoV-2, other dogs and cats living with infected COVID-19 pet owners have not succumbed to the virus.

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1of7billion
1of7billion
Apr 6, 2020 1:41 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

Thanks for the reply Charlotte I am not sure you’ve got evidence to claim that no other dogs or cats have got it, as just like humans, I suspect very few have been tested, and just like humans, even if they carry it 50% or more may show no symptoms. However, I think it’s a non-issue anyway, except in terms of if a large number of cats/dogs were shown to have it, *and could transmit it to humans* (which again, I don’t think has been proven one way or the other, after all we are told we got if off… Read more »

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 6, 2020 3:34 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

Correlating pets in cages to humans in quarantine certainly has some merit. We are all now the “state’s caged animals.” Mindless apparatchiks are the ones who will adjudicate our release. Now getting back to the pet pooch– these days, especially in the US they’re not caged, but are given free reign of the house. In fact, many a lucky dog are treated like vertible prince or princess. These fortunate canines ride in elegant pet strollers donning adorable hip jackets or sweaters. And many only dine on gourmet organic meals and treats. It’s been determined by “civilized societies” that no expense… Read more »

paul
paul
Apr 5, 2020 7:21 PM

Oh please the jew dylan and his other cryptos and their dirty music, but ok british-israel website that suspiciously has been one of the only ones not censored in google searchs about the crown virus psyop. Guess what dylan and gates have in common along with ginzberg and others? The hexagram.

Antonym
Antonym
Apr 6, 2020 3:41 AM
Reply to  paul

Admins are sleeping?

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 6:39 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Maybe you can risk the virus to go out later and spray paint some fake swastikas on a few synagogues.

paranoid goy
paranoid goy
Apr 6, 2020 1:10 PM
Reply to  paul

Brother, racism does not become a real man. I implore you to read the Protocols of Zion. It explicitly explains how THEY will pretend, PRETEND to be Jews, until the day the world decides to go to war over it. Then you and I will kill each other, and destroy everything our forefathers built. Then the ones PRETENDING to be Jews, the Jew-ish, will walk away with ownership of earth. Those of us left, will be “allowed to graze in peace” their holiest books say.
Antonym, censorship is not education, or even helpful. Get over yourself!

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 5, 2020 6:45 PM

Jim Marrs, in his book “Crossfire” speculates that 103 people with documented knowledge about JFK’s assassination died under mysterious circumstances between 1963 and 1976. Having said that, it’s my belief that JFK’s assassination was not purely a CIA hit, but a joint operation between two longtime sidekicks–the CIA and organized crime–the Mafia. Both sordid organizations despised “old man” Joe Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and JFK for numerous but dissimilar reasons. One must understand, that no one gets to sit in the Oval Office unless they agree to a “devil’s bargain”– a vile deal sacrificing everything for self-glorification and power. It was… Read more »

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 5, 2020 7:49 PM

I printed out a copy of this yesterday . As to the assassination within weeks those politically aware knew Alan Dulles ordered it . The agent who put the thing in motion made a deathbed confession some years back on DVD his son tried to get it aired no one would touch it. Now that most of us born in the 1940s are on our way out , I imagine Dylan’s poem won’t cause much of a backlash either. Put the lie to him being a victim of dementia though ?

livingsb
livingsb
Apr 6, 2020 8:09 PM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

Have you read “The Devil’s Chessboard”? I wonder what our world would look like if the Dulles Brothers had never existed. They were truly evil, if there is such a thing.

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Apr 6, 2020 4:58 AM

“Kennedy supposedly said: “I will splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the wind.” So you get the picture, Johnny boy had very few fans at the spy agency”. And there in lies the Motive for the CIA to not only “Rub Kennedy Out”, but to also turn it into a live Execution for absolutely MAXIMUM Impact on the public psyche.(in the USA anyway.) The Destruction of the Twin Towers was able, with modern Technology, to be broadcast ‘LIVE’ all over the Planet. “WHO is the CIA answerable to”?…… No one seems to be able to… Read more »

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 6, 2020 8:12 AM
Reply to  Brian Harry

When you license an Agency to perform Black Ops undercover, they will tell you that the only way to do it is absolute secrecy, so almost no-one knows much and only a handful know a significant amount. It means there will be a whole load of viruses swimming around the world that the CIA can call on when needed, but no US President will ever be able to round ’em up. If the US Treasury cut all funding for the CIA, they would just become a private black ops corporation, raising ‘capital’ through drug crimes, gunrunning, illicit diamond smuggling etc… Read more »

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Apr 6, 2020 10:53 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Thanks Rhys, I always respect your opinions…..

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 6, 2020 7:36 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

They seem to be quite aware that they are accountable to no earthly power, so I wouldn’t be surprised to find a direct link to “you-know-who” if I were to dig into that cesspit. And I would, indeed, dig, if I thought there was the faintest chance of cleaning up anything I might find down there. But if JFK failed, then nothing I could do would make even a tiny dent. You need to know these people if you’re going to put a spanner in their sickening works. Nevertheless, “every dog will have his day”, and the Book of Revelation… Read more »

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Apr 9, 2020 1:58 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

You mean to say that the CIA would be just like Blackrock if they were a private corporate hedge fund.

MOU

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 6, 2020 9:45 AM
Reply to  Brian Harry

The CIA is the US ruling class’s heavy squad. Its first, last and only loyalty is to the owners and rulers of the country.

paranoid goy
paranoid goy
Apr 6, 2020 1:16 PM
Reply to  Brian Harry

See Paranoid Goy’s take on it, the poor thing is obsessed with “hijacking the Protocols for public good” or something.

paranoid goy
paranoid goy
Apr 6, 2020 1:14 PM

There be a difference between the CIA and the Mafia? Do Tell! Ah, but you were under the impression the CIA is a governmental institution? Really? The CIA? The one that is a division of the Fed? You know, that big bank in the Undeclared Soviets of America? That one with PRIVATE shareholders and private PROFIT MOTIVE? That one? The one that directly pays CIA salaries? That Mafia?

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 6, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  paranoid goy

CIA employees get federal job benefits. 😁
The CIA influence foreign policy. Organized crime networks are often used to implement plots, schemes, or operations to ensure those policies will take effect. Gangsters are infused in the drug running operations in Afghanistan, and for that matter throughout the world. The revenue secured from numerous gangster-style activities are forwarded to secret operations–like funding terrorists, bribing crooked despot governments, etc…

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Apr 6, 2020 9:38 PM

Well, that explains why/how the “Rebels” in Syria seem to have unlimited arms, ordinance, Ammunition, Chemical weapons and, fleets of Toyota vehicles, and God only knows what else(an army marches on its stomach…Napoleon)
“Ratbag” Rebels wouldn’t last 5 minutes without a supply chain.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 7, 2020 12:02 AM
Reply to  Brian Harry

Well, we also can’t forget the Saudis, they generously funded numerous insidious operations.

livingsb
livingsb
Apr 6, 2020 8:08 PM

Crossfire is a great book. I have it in my library along with many other Jim Marr’s books. The figures are even higher now in the JFK assassination ‘sketchy related murder’ count. A statistician did a calculation that the odds of all of those people dying by natural causes were 1: all of the grains of sand on planet earth.

jumpin' jack
jumpin' jack
Apr 5, 2020 5:06 PM

Aliens from Outer Space……buzzz

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 5, 2020 8:37 PM
Reply to  jumpin' jack

Did you hear–it was certified by the Medical Examiner’s Office that, Jeffrey Epstein, strangled himself with toilet paper. Evidently, he was taking a shit and mistook his neck for his ass……..😆

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Apr 6, 2020 5:01 AM

Epstein is very likely alive, and living on his Island, or in Israel. These people have friends in high places……

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Apr 9, 2020 2:40 AM
Reply to  Brian Harry

Someone saw him with Elvis in a Cadillac going 55 on Route 66.

MOU

andy ellis
andy ellis
Apr 5, 2020 3:30 PM

So Bob brought a new song out, yippedy doo da.
Personally , I never saw what all the fuss was about. I have tried a few times and still don’t get him.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 6, 2020 7:49 PM
Reply to  andy ellis

You’re not alone.
Way back, my room mate described Dylan as “vermin”, and he was really into the “pop” music of that time.
I was not into it at all, (classical career) so Dylan was just another name to me, and I certainly can’t say I “liked” the noise he made.
But perhaps I misjudged him. I should give him another try, since I don’t want to dismiss out-of-hand something which might turn out to be worthwhile. From the lyrics, it looks as if it could be quite hard to “get him” though …

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 5, 2020 1:26 PM

Thanks for this article , I was not aware that Dylan was still working . Bob Dylan’s issue originally as I recall in the early 1960s was racism/Apartheid in America , a fight where he enjoyed some success . As the inventor of what became the “rap” genre with The Subterranean Homesick Blues , many Afro-American owe their good fortune to him . He turned away from the Anti-war crowd when he went “electric” after Newport, a move that was good for him but bad for the country.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 5, 2020 2:52 PM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

Dylan basically recast “pop” music to create a more serious genre. That was his fundamental achievement. He didn’t invent “rap” music. His “Subterranean Homesick Blues” stands in a tradition of “talk/list” songs e.g. from the past Chuck Berry’s “Too Much Monkey Business” and from the (then) future Elvis Costello’s “Pump it Up”.

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 5, 2020 7:56 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I don’t believe Dylan ever did “pop” or attempted to recast it he leveraged “folk” to get his poetry read and went electric as “folk” took their eye off the ball after the Kennedy assassination and tried to sell “pop” , Puff the Magic Dragon anyone? .

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 5, 2020 8:05 PM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

I was thinking of a remark made by Dylan specialist Michael Gray. That it was Dylan who elevated what was previously thought of as disposable kiddy stuff so that the term “pop” was no longer suitable and the term “rock” had to be invented.

Richard Todd
Richard Todd
Apr 5, 2020 3:02 PM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

mcdonagh4. Rap did not begin with Dylan but was founded on street corners in the black areas of America in the 50’s. Kids would gather in groups and sing Acapella style, bouncing lines off one another, making it up as they went along. That was called ‘Rap’ and was then reinvented around the 80’s into what we know today.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Apr 5, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  Richard Todd

What it is today? Sound like stroke victims mumbling.

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 5, 2020 8:04 PM
Reply to  Richard Todd

Disagree , Dylan made it commercially viable/acceptable even though the subject matter became brutal for a time , and the advent of video made it sexual and gave us ABBA/disco during the 1980s . As Eminem a pretty good poet himself showed at the start of the 21st century in 8 Mile. .

Richard Todd
Richard Todd
Apr 6, 2020 12:15 PM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

Your original post said that Dylan invented rap. No, no. Now your saying he made it commercially viable and that African American rap artistes should be grateful for his contribution. What pap.
We could argue that the Beatles owed their success to Motown, having their first chart successes with cover versions. But that would be contentious and a fruitless argument.
How about “Dylan is a poet and so are the rap stars” The similarity ends there.

paranoid goy
paranoid goy
Apr 6, 2020 1:28 PM
Reply to  Richard Todd

Poetry and rhyming, one of my favourite things to go all weird about. But the end of their sentences tend to rhyme. Sometimes. Let that stand as the only similarity.

bob
bob
Apr 5, 2020 1:18 PM

On the subject of ‘superstars’ both Wayne Rooney and Gary Lineker, according to the beeb, are moaning about the pressure being applied to extortionately overpaid footballers by the government to cut their ‘wages’ – we all should feel really sorry for these guys – all that money and nobody’s even playing the game – sounds much like MPs who are idling away on their taxpayer funded salaries … nevermind the airports being open for the elites to travel the world – whilst loads of people are losing their jobs, taking unpaid leave and being under house arrest – do we… Read more »

jay
jay
Apr 5, 2020 2:40 PM
Reply to  bob

The government won’t be paying these salaries, it is down to clubs…so who cares.
Balloon Kicking, phah!

ZigZagWanderer
ZigZagWanderer
Apr 6, 2020 3:02 AM
Reply to  jay

All businesses with powerful lobbying mechanisms are queuing up , cap in hand , at the chancellors door for ‘ the great handout ‘ .
Large sporting businesses and organisations will be represented by their city representatives.

Your grandchildren will be paying back that borrowed money long after you have kicked the bucket. Phah !

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 6, 2020 8:15 AM
Reply to  bob

To be fair to Rooney, he is arguing that some of the younger players at Derby County do not get paid very much and one of them lives at home with his mother in a council flat. He is saying that those on the lowest wages should not be taking a 30% hit, he is calling for some kind of tapering scale of pay cuts with the highest paid getting the largest percentage reductions.

The players are also keen to ensure that their pay cuts go to the non-playing staff made redundant, not to the pockets of the owners.

Jiw Exay
Jiw Exay
Apr 5, 2020 1:00 PM

As we’re talking about music with and for messages:
The Queen is at economic war with the British people

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 5, 2020 12:09 PM

Investigating the JFK ramifications up to the present day. Dr. Joseph Farrell – JFK Reloaded: The Spider & The Deep State. Starts nine minutes in (after preamble).

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Apr 5, 2020 11:07 AM

Bob Dylan to be found dead after commiting suicide after hearing he contracted COVID-19.

Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
Apr 5, 2020 10:49 AM

It wasn’t just the murder of the President that shocked/shocks, it was the open air, made-for-TV manner of it. There were easier ways to kill him away from the cameras but the whole production was meant to send a message to all and sundry that a greater power, a cabal, was in control and everybody just needed to wise up. The absurd loopholes in the official story wouldn’t have concerned the conspirators, they might even have been deliberate. On one level, short of it being proven, they probably wanted everyone to suspect it was a coup d’etat, it would help… Read more »

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 5, 2020 11:00 AM
Reply to  Ross Hendry

Really excellent observation.

They shot him in the street like the Mafia punk he was. He hobnobbed with the Cosa Nostra (having accepted their help in the election) while his suicidal brother declared war on them.

‘Sam Giancana: Chicago Godfather, CIA Collaborator, And The Man Who May Have Put JFK In The White House

https://allthatsinteresting.com/sam-giancana

jay
jay
Apr 5, 2020 2:43 PM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

The mafia is just another secret society all connected to Masonry…
Just another part of the control structure.
Kabbalah = cabbal

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 5, 2020 3:47 PM
Reply to  jay

That was my point in showing the Giancana CIA link. The CIA and their Mafia partners both wanted him dead.

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Apr 5, 2020 11:23 AM
Reply to  Ross Hendry

“it was the open air, made-for-TV manner of it…….” Although, in the early ’60’s the World had to wait one or two days to actually see it, on TV….….”9/11″ was like it too……although, with modern technology it was broadcast “live”, right on Prime TV time…….For Billions of people to see……

bob
bob
Apr 5, 2020 10:28 AM

I have to say I posted this here last week – well done for catching up ;0)

Edwige
Edwige
Apr 5, 2020 9:36 AM

Is Allen Ginsberg someone you really want to be praising (if “the quintessential American” is meant as praise)?

BigB
BigB
Apr 5, 2020 1:24 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Ginsberg tore the arse [sic] out of the ”quintessential America”: and handed it back as a visionary countercultural ”Howl”. He excoriated contemporary Amerika with the fixed altered-imagistic ”Moloch, Moloch, Moloch”. So yeah; ripping the American Dream into the shredded insanity ward for the underclass and the outcasts it was and is – at great personal risk (given the era) – stands to be commended. And if the only place for the sane was an asylum room in the 1950s: look what it has gone on to become? ”Moloch, Moloch, Moloch” …history seems to have vindicated Ginsberg as a mind-altered visionary… Read more »

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 5, 2020 1:52 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Allen Ginsberg would have been a perfect fit in Plato’s Athens the oft claimed font of American Democracy.

BigB
BigB
Apr 5, 2020 7:31 PM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

Surely you mean American republicanism? Plato was famously anti-democratic …on account of the degeneracy of Athenian politics. In no small amount due to the fact that the democrats murdered his mentor – Socrates. And surely your comment is closeted homophobia?

Each to his own. Ginsberg was a huge formative influence on the Beat Generation and the anti-war peace activism opposing Vietnam. He walked his bop and nearly changed the world. The world would have been a duller, less livable place if he had not flashed across the firmament …making holy cock, ass, balls, and bum as he went!

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 5, 2020 9:30 AM

When I first heard this astonishing new Dylan song, I thought – Oh God the media are going to tear this apart. But a few more sobering seconds and I realised that they would do what they always do i.e. neuter all radical potential with dwelling on irrelevancies (“Then they’ll kill him with self-confidence/After poisoning him with words”) And when I read a Guardian article on the song, my fears were confirmed. And in the spirit of “Let us not talk falsely now/The hour is getting late”, I just skipped all the other articles. I also see that it didn’t… Read more »

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 5, 2020 1:43 PM
Reply to  George Mc

In America first comes the shunning ,then the sliming , then the fatal accident or assassination.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 5, 2020 9:20 AM

Many revered propagandists saw the light and published a mea culpa and redemptive works just before they ‘expired’ – Wells& Blair (Orwell) amongst them when they finally realised that the imperial Dream they believed they were working for for the advancement of civilisation and the human condition, were infact puppets of a greater Empire which only ever had its own interest to persue and has done for centuries. Creating shielding States, Philosophies, Economics, Wars, and fake Histories through literature, film and yes pop! (& Now of course through the internet). So Zimmerman – who took the 30 pieces in his… Read more »

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 5, 2020 8:45 AM

The news of the song garnered just 225 words in The Grauniad. A new low.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 5, 2020 9:52 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I’ve heard it twice on R6 music, which is worrying.

ZigZagWanderer
ZigZagWanderer
Apr 5, 2020 1:01 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

But well over a thousand words to tell us that Kim Kardashian doesn’t like Taylor Swift very much.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 6, 2020 8:18 AM
Reply to  ZigZagWanderer

So stop buying it then!!

lundiel
lundiel
Apr 5, 2020 8:37 AM

Off-topic but another leader who was recently assassinated (in the English way) was Jeremy Corbyn. Peter Oborne writes an interesting obituary in the Middle East Eye.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Apr 5, 2020 8:58 AM
Reply to  lundiel

It read quite well until it got up to this bit: Now, a new Labour leader is set to take over in the shape of Keir Starmer. He’s unproven, but I like the look of him. Many are advising Starmer to eradicate the legacy of Corbyn – to write him out of history, just as Tony Blair did to his predecessor, John Smith. But if Starmer has any sense, he will honour Corbyn and praise his legacy At this point I stopped reading. The writer is usually quite astute in his grasp of politics, but this is poppycock. The Labour… Read more »

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Apr 5, 2020 11:49 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Perhaps Smith was assassinated

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 5, 2020 12:00 PM
Reply to  Haltonbrat

One time I would have laughed at that. Now I don’t.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 6, 2020 12:57 AM
Reply to  Haltonbrat

MOSSAD wet job.

Objective
Objective
Apr 5, 2020 12:02 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Corbyn was a sell out, he wasn’t even true to his own life long euroscepticism, the one thing the blairites were right about is he isn’t/wasn’t ever a leader. He was clearly compromised long before the election took place.

lundiel
lundiel
Apr 5, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  Objective

True but I take issue with Blairite views on leadership qualities.

Objective
Objective
Apr 5, 2020 12:25 PM
Reply to  lundiel

I take issue with blairites, i was of course referring to PLP & their attempted early revolt. No matter they clearly found a way to castrate Corbyn, but will we ever find out how?

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 5, 2020 10:58 PM
Reply to  Objective

Just ask the Israeli embassy in London.

Objective
Objective
Apr 5, 2020 11:21 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

What dirt do the Israelis have on him?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 6, 2020 1:00 AM
Reply to  Objective

Are you joking? Didn’t you read the MSM? They made up the ‘dirt’. They LIED and lied and lied again. His real sin was thinking that the Palestinian ‘two-legged animals’ were human beings on a level with Israelis. That and cowardice in not fronting them, but, then again, no Mafia has a greater record of killing those who ‘…get in our way’ than the Zionists.

Objective
Objective
Apr 6, 2020 5:11 AM

So why didn’t he NOT defend himself & his lifelong held political values, on e.g. Euroscepticism, Zionism? Tom Watson stabbed him in the back repeatedly but he still kept turning away. They had some dirt on him to muzzle him, its the only conclusion. He simply caved at every fight & failed disastrously to lead. He even allowed the Israeli lobby to shaft him (& the Palestinians) without hardly a word. I was an avid supporter of Corbyn at first, but eternally grateful he never won an election, following the madness & rise of identity politics in the labour party… Read more »

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 6, 2020 9:48 AM
Reply to  Objective

Cowardice, I reckon. And the almost totally Blairite PLP backstabbers like the LOATHSOME Watson, and people like you who welcome Tory rule because of ‘identity politics’.

Objective
Objective
Apr 7, 2020 2:09 AM

who welcome Tory rule because of ‘identity politics’.

You really have no clue..I welcome the truth..i am conservative with small socialist c, the tories have nothing to do with it or my politics.

Its always been about class, identity politics is a neo-liberal ruse to distract from the important issues.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 10:27 AM
Reply to  Objective

Oh, I agree with that definition of Identity Politics, but they were irrelevant to Corbyn’s destruction and the reimposition of Sabbat Goy Blairism through Starmer. That, ie Zionist supremacism, is the one form of Identity Politics not just tolerated, but worshipped, compulsorily.

Objective
Objective
Apr 6, 2020 5:28 AM

Didn’t you read the MSM?

Not if I can help it.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 6, 2020 12:58 AM
Reply to  Objective

The PLP Blairites forced his hand. His one great sin was not to stand up to the lying Zionist thugs.

Objective
Objective
Apr 6, 2020 5:22 AM

I agree but his other great sin was allowing the growth of the lunacy of identity politics, he was the labour party leader, he should have lead its direction in support of the labour parties loyal core, the “working class” not privileged, university indoctrinated, middle class, liberals. Its a class war, its always been about class & always will be, identity politics is just a misdirection, distraction by parasitic neo-liberals. Now look what we are left with Blair mark 2, a multi millionaire, upper class, liberal with the charisma & principles of a turnip who has never stood for anything… Read more »

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 6, 2020 9:49 AM
Reply to  Objective

He had NO control over the Blairite PLP and the Blairite and Zionist Fifth Columnists like Landsmann in the Party apparatus.

Objective
Objective
Apr 7, 2020 2:12 AM

He simply wasn’t up to the job, simple as that.

I don’t often agree Galloway, but I think this article spells it out fairly.

3 nails in Corbyn’s leadership coffin

lundiel
lundiel
Apr 5, 2020 12:10 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Yes and his abject crawling to the lobby was sickening. It wouldn’t surprise me to see a few of them in shadow ministerial positions.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 5, 2020 8:30 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Tory-affiliated Nick Robinson presented a sycophantic interview-based programme about “left wing” millionaire Sir Keir Starmer today. Unfortunately, it is not available on BBC Sounds, although this is where it should be:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000h9r0

(It possibly might appear later).

And although I have mixed feelings about Gordon Dimmack, I can’t disagree with much here:

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 6, 2020 8:22 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

They like the look of the following: 1. He is a London man through and through. 2. He went to private school so ‘he is sound’. 3. He wants to reverse Brexit (thus guaranteeing the end of Democracy, very important to the PTB). 4. He is technologically illiterate so he will listen unquestioningly to science and medical ‘experts’. If he is a Blairite, someone should ask him baldly if he thinks murdering 1 million people based on lies is ‘acceptable collateral damage’. No ifs, no buts, not answer longer than one word. Lawyers who lie to kill people are far,… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 5, 2020 12:05 PM
Reply to  lundiel

No mainstream politician in modern times has been as mocked and misrepresented as Corbyn – nor has any been proved right so often

Apart from the “mainstream politician” bit, could you not say the same about Arthur Scargill? As my dearly departed (and NOT left wing) father-in-law said of Scargill: “No-one seems to like him but everything he said turned out to be true.

But then nobody cares about whether a political leader is telling truth or lies, it’s whether the media presents them as a jolly decent guy or a little rat bag.

Yr Hen Gof
Yr Hen Gof
Apr 5, 2020 4:10 PM
Reply to  George Mc
Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 5, 2020 8:30 AM

Wonderful music, 60 years too late. He was too frightened to say anything at the time going as far as to say he had never written a single political song. Something he repeated on 60 Minutes much more recently.

The JFK conspiracy is now a conspiracy itself

Antonym
Antonym
Apr 5, 2020 7:48 AM

Saw one live concert of Bob, in Stockholm long ago. His contract was for one hour, and after 59 minutes and 59 seconds he pulled his plugs in the middle of a song.

Fake rebel.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 5, 2020 12:07 PM
Reply to  Antonym

after 59 minutes and 59 seconds

Had your stop watch on, did you?

JoeC
JoeC
Apr 6, 2020 10:05 AM
Reply to  Antonym

When your time is up there is no point hanging around. Don’t begrudge him for a mere second.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Apr 5, 2020 7:36 AM

Bob was told/warned to pull his head in years ago.
He must be feeling his mortality and having one last dig at the Fat Controllers.
John Lennon’s ‘murder’ was a warning to any would be soothsayers.
The enlightened live a precarious existence.

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Apr 5, 2020 6:56 AM

Thanks OffG, Thanks Ed Curtin, but Special Thanks to Bob Dylan. Like all great art, there are many layers to this deeply spiritual lament for a lost Past, Present and Future. Musically, it strikes a deeply sorrowful chords of melancholy and loss, whilst lyrically there is no hint of maudlin or sentimentality. Sometimes the unspeakable truth can only be written in lyrics. Dylan has set his stage like the play within a play in Hamlet: “The play’s the thing wherein I’ll catch the conscience of the king”. The trouble is, his killers (past and present) have no conscience and are… Read more »

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 5, 2020 6:12 AM

The day they assassinated JFK was the day of the “official” takeover by the military/intelligence apparatus in America. It was a coup. I was only 12 years old at the time, but I sure as hell knew better than to credulously believe in the existence of the Warren Commission’s – “magic bullet.” All the subsequent campaigns, all the many elections, all the fake battles and mudslinging between the two parties decade after decade amount to nothing but pathetic farce. An every four-years public spectacle devoid of any actual substance whatsoever -euphemistically referred to as – “American democracy.” The American political… Read more »

Antonym
Antonym
Apr 5, 2020 7:42 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

I Agree.

Than why does it take Bob Dylan 62 years to come with this song? Is he fearing his own death from corona or otherwise?

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 5, 2020 8:27 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Previously he feared his death from assassins. What would you have done?

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 5, 2020 10:28 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Or indeed the loss of someone dear to him.

To accept your own death is one thing, but the suffering of someone you love is quite another.

Only if you eschew human contact (and who wants to do that), do you leave no hostages to fortune.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Apr 5, 2020 11:48 AM
Reply to  clickkid

They don’t just have them by the balls.
They have their icy hands ready to rip out hearts.

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Apr 5, 2020 11:38 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

From memory(it was a long time ago) Malcolm X was portrayed(in the Murdoch dominated Australian Press as a “Black Muslim”(which, in America, is at least twice as bad as a ‘normal Muslim’). And as a young man I swallowed it whole(sorry Malcolm). Go and have a look at Malcom X’s quotes today. He was just a man who spoke the truth, about the USA at the time.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 5, 2020 2:24 PM
Reply to  Brian Harry

Brian – as you say: “He was just a man who spoke the truth, about the USA at the time.” Sadly here in America speaking the “truth” is the equivalent of – “treason.”

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 6, 2020 9:51 AM
Reply to  Brian Harry

One thing about the Murdochites-they’re racists to their dead cores.

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Apr 6, 2020 9:47 PM

Not to mention a modern day Joseph Goebbels………

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Apr 6, 2020 9:49 PM
Reply to  Brian Harry

“It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of Public Opinion”….Joseph Goebbels.

Norcal
Norcal
Apr 5, 2020 3:06 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Gary, I’m following your post in an attempt to show solidarity with Dylan, Edward Curtin, OffG,
the regulars here, and internationally… Many Thanks to All.

Joopy
Joopy
Apr 5, 2020 5:55 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

It’s been that way from its inception. The very first line of the constitution was a hypocritical lie. Slave owners and Indian killers and land expropriators talking about equality and liberty. Everything is a rich man’s trick…it was all designed at birth and has remained true to its creators to protect and expand the ill gotten property and profits of the rich white man. The foundational myths are bullshit. The revolutionary, civil, and world wars were all fought for reasons of realpolitik and the material interests of the ruling class and never had anything to do with morality or ideals.… Read more »

Mucho
Mucho
Apr 5, 2020 10:21 PM
Reply to  Joopy

What a great comment, great insight. Thanks.

livingsb
livingsb
Apr 6, 2020 8:05 PM
Reply to  Joopy

Well said. Bravo! The big problem: If you posted this on the national news and every website and social media outlet on the planet, most people wouldn’t give a shit. I alway said this about 9/11 and JFK. If one put in the headlines of the NYC that the elite cabal was behind both, there would be nary a stir. I didn’t think this big push would come so soon, but the evil fucks have realized just how easy it is. How do you convince people about their enslavement, if they adore their chains?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 6, 2020 12:41 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

A country born as a slave owning society enshrined in their founding declaration. It never stopped slavery – millions of the worlds poorest were envouraged to come packed in the ships from Europe with promises of pavements full of gold – the Dream is indetured labour. Thr original Africans and their heirs got very little – Detroit car manufacturing which gave the world brand new sounds to mark the worlds special moments. And rhe rest got ghettos and scant education and no voting rights – right upto today. The whole enterprise of the original states, their revolt against the Hanoverians,… Read more »