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Coronavirus Fact-Check #2: “The Emergency Powers Will Only Last 2 years!” Defenders of the Coronavirus Act claim the “extreme measures” are only temporary, but is that true?

Those of us who expressed concern at the scope, content and implications of the Coronavirus Act 2020 were often treated to this simple reply:

“It’s not a police state, the special powers only last for two years!”

This was widely reported in the media and became a go-to talking point for everyone interested in defending the Act.

But is it actually true?

Simply put: No. No it’s not.

Section 89 of the Coronavirus Act 2020 details just how many sections and sub-sections are not subject to the expiry clause. As well as all the “conditions” which, if met, would enable Ministers to waive the expiry clause on certain other sections and regulations.

The list is hugely long.

Sections 1, 2, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13, 17, 19(11), 21(7), 59-70, 72-74, 75(1) and 76. As well as parts of Schedules 1, 4, 5, 7, 8 and 10 through 13.

Fully one quarter (and possibly more) of the entire bill will never expire.

What do these excepted clauses cover?

For starters, sections 11, 12 & 13 grant permanent legal indemnity to the government, and any employees thereof, for any harm done when a patient is being treated for Covid19 or “suspected Covid19”.

With a possible vaccine speeding through the testing phase (or skipping it altogether) this could be important down the line.

Sections 59-70 cover the government’s power to postpone elections and are not subject to the expiry clause.

Section 75 totally removes the cap on government assistance to industry when that assistance is “coronavirus related”.

Section 76 simply says:

Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs are to have such functions as the Treasury may direct in relation to coronavirus or coronavirus disease.

Which is peculiarly vague. Whatever it means, it will never expire.

And hanging over all of that is section 89(3):

A Minister of the Crown may by regulations make transitional, transitory or saving provision in connection with the expiry of any provision of this Act.

…which seems to grant the government power to over-ride the expiry of any section of the act, should they deem it necessary.

So, to sum up, no these emergency measures won’t “expire in two years”.

Some of them might expire in 2 years (unless a minister decides they shouldn’t) and others will last forever.

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Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Apr 10, 2020 8:02 PM

!!!Guardian Fake News Alert!!!

Headline:

Coronavirus: 980 dead in UK hospitals in deadliest day of pandemic yet

Fact – yesterday the deaths in English hospitals amounted to 117 (several others in Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland). The large remainder occurred in the previous two weeks.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 8:55 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Would love if you could point us to your source for that, thanks. A2

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Apr 10, 2020 10:09 PM
Reply to  Admin2

The figures are on page 4 of 8 of this live feed from The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/10/coronavirus-uk-live-boris-johnson-still-in-hospital-as-public-urged-to-stay-home-for-easter?page=with:block-5e907aa48f082dfd549d4334#liveblog-navigation The update was posted at 14:22 hrs. To give the full quote: HS England has announced 866 new deaths of people who tested positive for Covid-19, bringing the total number of confirmed reported deaths in hospitals in England to 8,114. Of the 866 new deaths announced today, 117 occurred on 9 April while 720 took place between 1 April and 8 April. The remaining 29 deaths occurred in March, including one on March 5. Note that the figures are for England only, but the… Read more »

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Apr 10, 2020 10:13 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Is ‘fake news’ the best way to describe this, what shall we say, phenomenon? Maybe ‘disinformation’, or ‘deliberate misleading’?

Shaking My Head
Shaking My Head
Apr 10, 2020 10:42 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Manufacturing consent?

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 11, 2020 12:54 AM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Thanks Alan! A2

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Apr 11, 2020 9:09 AM
Reply to  Alan Tench

The ‘980 dead in the UK’ was item no. 1 in an ABC radio news bulletin this morning (Saturday). It was reported in a way that convinced me that it was the death toll for a single day. When it comes to its UK ‘coverage’, the ABC seldom does facts.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 9:22 AM

Did you see the ABC’s new tack in deriding hydroxychloroquine? Why, silly people, led astray by the Evil Trump, who obtain hydroxychloroquine (you still need a complicit doctor, but let’s leave that out)are taking it from dear sweet sufferers of lupus and arthritis. And, what’s more, as a flunky from a no doubt BigPharma controlled Chemists’ group, asserted, it will make you go blind (if you don’t have a heart attack first)like all those poor souls who perished or went blind while taking it to ward off malaria, for decades. The ABC is such a bloody sewer of lies, hypocrisy,… Read more »

S. White
S. White
Apr 10, 2020 5:37 PM

Do you know any way that we can fact check the claims of health care workers dying of this illness? I think it’s interesting that authorities are spraying something into the air in some cities, claiming to be disinfecting (which is impossible) — but are there more cases after such spraying? There are reasonable claims that outbreaks are related to aerial pesticide/chemical applications. Janine Roberts writes about that in her ‘Fear of the Invisible’ book. That many doctors claimed polio was never a virus, it was a paralysis from chemical poisoning from spraying fruit orchards with pesticides, including DDT. If… Read more »

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Apr 10, 2020 5:41 PM
Reply to  S. White

Can you provide a source for the alleged spraying please

paul
paul
Apr 10, 2020 3:48 PM

I’m quite sure that these new powers are purely temporary.
Like Nixon temporarily going off the gold standard in 1971.
Or the temporary money printing and temporary negative interest rates in 2008.

I’m sure none of these things will last a moment longer than is necessary.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Apr 11, 2020 3:15 PM
Reply to  paul

Paul I am sure you are right. None of these temporary powers will last any longer than the purely temporary introduction of income tax during the Napoleonic War.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 12:05 AM

jack (jim) and all the other ‘no-epidemic’ groupies: are any of you going to pick up my suggestion to speak to Dr. dan at The Lifeboat News, and to my ex-nurse neighbour, now on stand-by for emergency service, and speaking widely to his colleagues at the actual coal-face right now? (They’ll be crisis-actors, of course. Not!) You know: so that you can get an earful of authentic reports from the front-line in Britain’s hospitals today? Anyone? At all? No, I expect not. Pontification-armchairs too comfortable, I surmise. Once again, try to get it clear: this **isn’t** an either/or situation. Yes… Read more »

Cesca
Cesca
Apr 10, 2020 12:47 AM

Seriously want to believe you believe what your saying Rhisiart, the stats disagree with you tho. We aren’t experiencing any higher fatalities than with normal seasonal illness, most hospitals are pretty empty. The stats are doctored cos any death where cv is present is being counted as death from, when it probably wasn’t. The CDC in the US is now saying even SUSPECTING cv is good enough reason to cite it as cause of death, can guarantee the same is happening here. We have even got to such a stupid stage here, where a traffic accident death here where the… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 8:32 AM
Reply to  Cesca

So that’s a ‘no’ to speaking with the medics who are actually dealing with this thing, then is it? Preferring to trust instead various conflicting numbers generated who knows where and how, and plucked off the internet. Such statistics, together with stray anecdotes of unknown provenance, as we know from long experience, are always reliable, aren’t they? Of course! That would be much more trustworthy than actual frontline eye-witness reports wouldn’t it? Naturally! HowTF did the Off-G comments suddenly fill up with people preferring to believe the comforting false-memes flying about than actually to listen to the people who are… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 8:56 AM

Try this thread posted on The Lifeboat News this morning, particularly dan’s post. He’s just making it up, of course. Crisis-actor! That’ll be it:

https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/thread/1586480940.html

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 10, 2020 9:47 AM

You seem awfully naive, Rhisiart. Why the hell not crisis actor? Why the hell not? We’re drowning in these people. Whatever is posted anywhere can always fit “crisis actor”, “controlled opposition”, “sock puppet” – you name it. It can always fit where applicable, however, if all the other available evidence fits “real pandemic” then we can tend to assume all the posts that could fit, in different circumstances, psyop, are, in fact, perfectly genuine. Do you get it? If all the other evidence fits “real pandemic” we can infer that these people are genuine. However, if all the other evidence… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 9:53 AM

PS: Message for Petra Liverani: In case you haven’t noticed P, I don’t spend any time reading your posts any more, as I estimate that you have an obssessional complex that makes you sectionably-delusional. Call it ‘False Occam’s Razor Syndrome’, maybe. Sorry. Get psychiatric help.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 4:46 PM

OK Rhisiart, I’ve read that thread. In fact there is only really one relevant posting (Dan’s). The first one is a link to MSM stories, and you don’t expect anyone from Off-G to take those at face value. And the third one is just politics. Anyway, you are talking about first-hand experiences. OK, so fair enough, it looks like deaths at Dan’s wife’s care-home are up, although as Dan writes “no diagnosis”. What one might call suggestive evidence, but not conclusive of anything, without further information. Can you tell me more about Dan, because in that posting anyway, he doesn’t… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 5:29 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Hi Mike! I suggest that, to avoid me giving probably garbled second-hand information, you register at TLN – it doesn’t commit you to anything and all you have to give is an email address – and then put your questions direct in a post. dan – he never capitalises it – is quick to reply on things that concern him. He can give you exact answers, and it’s clear he’s keen to do that about stuff that he knows. I believe he’s part of an ICU team in a London hospital; but ask. He’s a good bloke, and several of… Read more »

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Apr 10, 2020 6:13 PM

I get that you have implicit faith in dan and are obviously very keen that we follow suit in treating him like an authority. Do you usually invest so much of yourself in fairly anonymous internet entities you have never met in real life? The problem is real mass death doesn’t need to be supported by unsourced anecdotes from dan and his mrs, because it’s already obviously supported by huge spikes in excess mortality that can’t -unlike anecdote – be easily and glibly faked. The mere fact the data continues to show only moderate excess deaths, and to belie the… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 9:08 PM
Reply to  Admin1

You’re simply wrong on these points Admin 1. We shall just have to agree to differ. And – er – dan’s not ‘an anonymous internet entity’, that’s just silly talk.

Good to see that you acknowledge at least ‘moderate excess death’ – so something unusual is going on then? And – again – it’s simply wrong to say that anecdote is ‘never’ considered an acceptable form of data. It’s recognised as a common source of testable hypotheses. Where else are they going to come from, if not from reason and imagination inspired by anecdotal data? That’s an old, oft-repeated story.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Apr 10, 2020 10:19 PM

dan’s not ‘an anonymous internet entity’, that’s just silly talk. Not being a member of the Dr dan internet fraternity, I can’t really comment. He certainly has a fan in you, and I’m sure that does him credit. Good to see that you acknowledge at least ‘moderate excess death’ – so something unusual is going on then? Not at all unusual no. Excess deaths are currently at about the same rate as 2018. And – again – it’s simply wrong to say that anecdote is ‘never’ considered an acceptable form of data. No, it isn’t. It’s recognised as a common… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 10:45 PM
Reply to  Admin1

No, Admin 1, an anecdote isn’t a hypothesis. And it’s not what I said. You quoted my line. Why don’t you read the line again. Where do you imagine original – and dedicatedly-scientific – thinkers get their hypotheses from? Read some of their accounts. They hear an interesting snippet or story – an anecdote – and wonder what might be going on, if it’s true. After some – often extended – meditation around the whole matter, and often after the collection of yet more pertinent anecdotes, they formulate an imaginatively-conceived – and frequently intuition-buttressed – guesstimate of an explanation –… Read more »

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 10, 2020 9:22 PM

Rhisiart Before people focus too much on how many elderly people appear to be dying from Covid-19 in care homes, it needs to be put in the context of some GPs apparently refusing to visit elderly patients in those homes, whatever their illness or ailment. This is leaving frail and vulnerable patients without the medical support they need to diagnose, treat and refer to hospital if necessary, and is quite likely leading to deaths that might otherwise not have occurred. The fact that some of these patients, when they die, are presumed to have, or test positive for Covid-19, may… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 9:27 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Yes, all that sounds entirely likely. Might still be worth visiting The Lifeboat News and asking dan some detailed questions about his wife’s care-home experience. He may be able to confirm what you describe here, or he may be able to offer another perspective in that particular case. You have to ask, to get an answer, though. 🙂

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 9:24 AM

By being a haven for anthropogenic climate denialists you attract a certain crowd.

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Apr 10, 2020 1:48 PM
Reply to  Cesca

The traffic accident example – I can well believe it, but do you have a source for that? I ask because I’ve been quoting this to colleagues as an example of how stupid things can get, and some of them queried it.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 5:44 PM
Reply to  Cesca

Cesca, these stats: were they from ‘Shadow Stats’ or some equally trustworthy-seeming source? There are a lot of stat-sources about. And how do we mere sit-at-home, keyboard-tickling plebs tell which are reliable? Personally, knowing with some certainty that ‘official figures’ are often corruptly distorted, at least by Western sources, and quite probably by all of them globally, in these corrupt times, I think I’d be inclined to put greater weight on personal testimony from people whom I’ve learned over extended time to trust, because they’re straight. My neighbour and Dr. dan are two such. To adapt an old joke, who… Read more »

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Apr 10, 2020 6:22 PM

Cesca, these stats: were they from ‘Shadow Stats’ or some equally trustworthy-seeming source?

The information about how the infection and mortality stats are being recorded is available everywhere, including this website. The authorities are making no secret of the fact they are requiring or advising any death where covid19 is suspected or where a positive test has been conducted should be recorded as a covid19 death even if the decedent died of another cause.

You post a great deal, please try to inform yourself of the basic facts as it would make your contributions a lot more informative.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 9:18 PM
Reply to  Admin1

Odd, Admin 1, that a member of the Off-G team should be exhorting me, suddenly, to trust information put out by ‘the authorities’. You can stake your life on such sources if you like. Not me. These won’t be ‘the facts’ that I’ll be quoting, because I don’t trust them to tell an honest story, especially not at a time like this. We’re all flying blind, especially we sit-at-home net surfers. A good gambler’s sense of what smells like promising odds, when everything is weighed and digested by intuition as well as reason, is much more useful in such a… Read more »

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 10, 2020 10:08 PM

Rhisiart With apologies, I’m just taking advantage of your posts to make a general observation that has struck me over the past few days. I’ve seen numerous testimonies from doctors on the front line about how unprecedented and extreme the situation is in ICUs. It’s come to my notice that it’s by and large doctors under 30 who have been reporting as such first hand. I think it would give such testimonies more credibility if just one ‘mature’ doctor with many years experience in IC were to tell us the situation was unprecedented. It’s the same with nurses. Not only… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 10:21 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Sounds an interesting point, Judy. It may well be significant. Unfortunately, I have no inside-knowledge low-down to offer on that. Once again, I can only fall back on my previous suggestion, that people should ask the two medical professionals about whose bona-fides I’m – by now – confident: dan at TLN; and my neighbour. To consult my neighbour, I suppose it would be necessary to get him to visit an Off-G thread and say what he’s garnered, and also to field questions. I can see about arranging that, if there’s enough interest. People wishing to quiz Dr. dan can do… Read more »

jim
jim
Apr 11, 2020 9:41 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

“Sharing ventilators”…

Reg
Reg
Apr 10, 2020 1:25 AM

If there’s a lockdown and everywhere’s deathly still, with the cops on the prowl ordering you to stay in and people grassing one another up from behind their curtains, how come there’s a deluge of emergency patients dying in hospitals every day? Where are they coming from? How are they getting to these hospitals? And is anyone who dies in a hospital a covid-19 death?

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 10, 2020 9:49 AM

….. are any of you going to pick up my suggestion to speak to Dr. dan at The Lifeboat News, and to my ex-nurse neighbour, now on stand-by for emergency service, and speaking widely to his colleagues at the actual coal-face right now? (They’ll be crisis-actors, of course. Not!) You know: so that you can get an earful of authentic reports from the front-line in Britain’s hospitals today? Anyone? At all? No, I expect not. Pontification-armchairs too comfortable, I surmise. This anecdotal stuff is dodgy at the best of times. But considering that everyone is on lockdown it’s a huge… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 10:00 AM
Reply to  George Mc

No George, it’s not ‘mere’ anecdotal stuff (and since when did anecdotal evidence become mere?). It’s hard reportage from the wards where the pros are working. How is that not crucial information?

Seriously: go and register at The Lifeboat News and ask dan for an account of his recent experiences – and his wife’s, as she works in a old-folks home where deaths are shooting up. That alone should sober up your ideas a touch. Then I might take you pontifications a bit more seriously. Meanwhile, enjoy your ‘no-epidemic’ illusions, whilst they last.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 10, 2020 10:35 AM

It IS anecdotal and anecdotes must be treated critically. (“I went to Iraq myself and saw Saddam’s massive pile of WMDs!”) And why do you keep repeating this obviously impossible request: Seriously: go and register at The Lifeboat News and ask dan for an account of his recent experiences – and his wife’s, as she works in a old-folks home where deaths are shooting up. I am not allowed to go anywhere! Nobody is! We are all stuck “pontificating” in our chairs while watching news reports of skyrocketing figures of the deaths – which we KNOW to be bullshit because… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 10:47 AM
Reply to  George Mc

If this is the best you can do George – quibbling about the difference between the literal and the metaphoric, I guess that means you’ve run out of any more substantive arguments. If you want to go on speaking – oh alright, writing, if we have to be absolutely literal! – at this level then I shall just have to leave you to burble on to anyone else who will listen – sorry: read. Direct, eye-witness reportage is not the same as rumoured anecdote. And anyway, anecdotal observations are the root of most testable hypotheses which then lead on to… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 10, 2020 12:39 PM

Well I’m guessing that the distinction between dying OF C19 or dying WITH C19 is now a matter of literal/metaphorical hair-splitting? And as the most recent OffG article says, there are doctors in America who are being told to list a death as a C19 death even if the patient was never tested. Oh well, C19 or not C19? That is a matter of hair-splitting between literal and metaphorical. So we’ll just say C19!

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Apr 9, 2020 12:12 AM

jack (jim) and all the other ‘no-epidemic’ groupies: are any of you going to pick up my suggestion to speak to Dr. dan at The Lifeboat News, and to my ex-nurse neighbour, now on stand-by for emergency service, and speaking widely to his colleagues at the actual coal-face right now? What will talking to your ex-nurse neighbour tell us exactly? If she tells us her local ICU is crammed with covid19 patients does this mean we should ignore statistics in favour of her subjective and unverified impressions? What if another ex-nurse then comes along and says “don’t listen to her,… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 10:35 AM
Reply to  Admin1

It’s a he, not a she, Admin. And I must have not got the memo when it was decided that anecdote – the foundation of all testable hypotheses to be put to test – was excluded as evidence. My nurse buddy has been speaking widely to his sometime colleagues. A collection of eye-witness reportage is simply not dismissable as ‘not evidence’. Sorry to see even the Off-G editorial crew seem to be veering off the rails in this matter. As I keep hammering, the gics’ scams, the impending economic disaster, and and authentic epidemic are NOT mutually exclusive things. They’re… Read more »

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 3:54 PM

I too have been warned by medical volunteers on standby that this is a ‘real’ thing. However, they are not on the frontline, yet, and it seems we are in fact referring to third-hand testimony from your friend’s associates. In my experience, medical workers are not often best placed to distinguish administrative/institutional upheaval – with the many time-consuming safety measures that have to be put in place – from the broader seriousness of, say, a pandemic. Health services become overrun, this is not a new thing. The workers inside, part of a strict hierarchical system, are rarely in a position… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 10, 2020 4:49 PM
Reply to  Admin2

Can’t see anything to disagree with there. But still, what I hear from their grapevine isn’t negligible, I think. And it suggests something out of the ordinary. I should say that I’m not a fan of large, heavily-hierarchical systems such as modern hospital – well, the words machines or factories come to mind. I don’t want to sound partisan for them. And of course I’m aware of the universal fog of uncertainty that hangs around this whole situation, which compels all of us to try to intuit a sound position to take without adequate and fully trustworthy information. It’s just… Read more »

S. White
S. White
Apr 10, 2020 5:41 PM

Sickness does not equal viral pandemic. We could be being poisoned from a number of possible sources, from radiation to chemical poisoning. Chemical poisoning could be killing health care workers if they have recently introduced new chemicals for ‘cleaning’ — like the aerosol sprays they are spraying in cities now. Poor people have been dying in third world countries to produce fruit for us for decades, of these chemical poisons. If they have not isolated a virus and can’t show Koch’s postulates, then they are guessing it’s a virus. And that makes big pharma a lot of money. If it’s… Read more »

Cesca
Cesca
Apr 9, 2020 11:02 PM

Seriously scary reading, the future the scum is creating is beyond the worst nightmares of Huxley and Orwell. We can’t let it happen, we should be the Masters and they the servants, no way do they have our best interests at heart, only their own!

Tea
Tea
Apr 9, 2020 11:42 PM
Reply to  Cesca

“beyond the worst nightmares of Huxley and Orwell. We can’t let it happen”

We must not let it happen, but can we?

Reg
Reg
Apr 10, 2020 4:38 AM
Reply to  Tea

Difficult. They’ve got people falling over themselves to denounce others as traitors. This is dystopia happening in real time.

Cesca
Cesca
Apr 9, 2020 10:43 PM

Haven’t read the article yet but just the headline alone tells me they can f off with that idea! Just don’t understand how ppl have let themselves be bamboozled by the current bs, i do actually, unless you’re prepared or have time to use critical thinking skills, the current situation just couldn’t happen. Think this virus … well, would like to think this virus is an accidental release from the US biolab, fort detrick. The one in wuhan based at the uni, is merely a research lab, no higher than level 2 as opposed to the level 4 of the… Read more »

gordon
gordon
Apr 9, 2020 10:07 PM

at the appointed time the man on the radio said clap i clapped but my heart was not in it ‘ on the alexa pod the 5g phaser sensors where picking up a hollow sound coming from an air gap that had developed betwixt my overly sweaty hands. a voice boomed from the alexa pyramid do not resist you are not complying you are out of compliance belief believe in nhs palms together palms together the voice boomed clap clap for the nhs. i redoubled my efforts eager to please but it was futile the A I had already logged… Read more »

Igor
Igor
Apr 9, 2020 9:58 PM

We’re getting information and policies regarding this situation, from the same people who told us that there were WMDs in Iraq and the only solution was to invade and destroy the Iraqi nation.

Tea
Tea
Apr 9, 2020 11:48 PM
Reply to  Igor

We’re getting information and HEALTH policies from those who watered down and keep deregulating all safeguards that help us breathe properly and stay in good health; from the same people who are poisoning our air, land and water.

Oliver
Oliver
Apr 10, 2020 6:38 PM
Reply to  Tea

And who fired missiles at Syrian ‘chemical weapons’ facilities and airbases. Acts of war.

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Apr 9, 2020 7:38 PM

Good old David Icke! I personally think he talks a load of B/S, but – who am I, or anyone else for that matter, to deny him the right to speak? Ofcom think they can, apparently. In the overall scheme of things, the likes of Ofcom are far more dangerous to society than the likes of Icke.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52228046

gordon
gordon
Apr 9, 2020 6:11 PM

it has come to are attention that you did not clap for the nhs last week.
this was clearly a mistake or oversight.based on your passed non compliance it is very important you double your efforts and tempo tonight.
5g local sensors will be monitoring your efforts.

this is not a test
scum you must clap

Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 6:44 PM
Reply to  gordon

That’s if the gramur & speeling police haven’t come for you first ; – ) Your (sic) lucky this isn’t the real Guardian comments section.

Magggie
Magggie
Apr 9, 2020 7:27 PM
Reply to  Objective

Ever wondered Objective, where have all the coppers have come from? Or is it because they have all been taken from their cars?

Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 7:34 PM
Reply to  Magggie

Nope, not seen any where i live, but i have wondered why the NHS isn’t giving us the same stuff the police are getting, they all seem immune to cv19, none of them look to be respecting the social distancing diktat.

They’re even setting up road blocks to spread the lurgy among the public.

gordon
gordon
Apr 9, 2020 8:03 PM
Reply to  Objective

gramure sir
shirley sir you gest?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 9, 2020 8:04 PM
Reply to  gordon

I sung #ringa ringa roses and finished off with 3o secondsof dying fly – cleared the streets…

paul
paul
Apr 10, 2020 3:50 PM
Reply to  gordon

We now have The Two Minute Clap.
We must have the clap.
We all need the clap.

Reg
Reg
Apr 9, 2020 5:49 PM
Reg
Reg
Apr 9, 2020 5:45 PM
Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 5:26 PM

Here’s the reality, we are just livestock to them, something to be managed for profit until its time to cull & slaughter the herd. The vast majority of us behave like sheep so we are treated like sheep. Sure there will be a few riots from the uneducated (not indoctrinated) classes who have nothing to lose, they’ll be quashed & we probably wont even hear about it, the MSM wont report it eg. french gilets jaunes, have any of you ever seen these protests reported in the MSM?. The liberal middle class will lap all of this up until its… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 9, 2020 6:22 PM
Reply to  Objective

Really, O: you believe conspiracies just don’t happen? Are you a coincidence theorist?

Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 6:41 PM

I need theories with verifiable facts, then they become conspiracy fact, not fantasy. Sadly there is no shortage of fantasists on the web.

Dave Thomas
Dave Thomas
Apr 10, 2020 8:55 AM
Reply to  Objective

So basically we’re knackered, either because we follow the government and their lies about a non existent virus (??) or we go down the road of the communist or facist countries and live like animals in poverty. Great future either way. I had no problems with my life before this virus, certainly better than under the alternatives.

Objective
Objective
Apr 10, 2020 10:17 AM
Reply to  Dave Thomas

One empathizes.

1of7billion
1of7billion
Apr 9, 2020 4:13 PM

I think a lot of people here are going into “NWO” (new world order) fantasy land and need to get a grip. I’ve read all the David Icke books long years ago, and I used to believe in him (or at least give him “the benefit of the doubt”). I’m not going to go into great detail here about him, but on re-reading his books a few years back I noticed a number of things that strangely I didn’t notice the first time round – I suspect because much of the content was so shocking and so cram-packed with nearly… Read more »

Koba
Koba
Apr 9, 2020 4:43 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

Brought to you by 77th troll brigade of the British army

Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 4:48 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

Did you actually expect anyone to read all of that? A summary would be nice, anyone?

Oscar
Oscar
Apr 10, 2020 4:45 AM
Reply to  Objective

Summary – It’s all David Icke’s fault

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 9, 2020 6:25 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

Bloody hell, 1, you really can’t do brevity, can you!

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 9, 2020 9:06 PM

Maybe it was a case of:

“I would have written a shorter letter but I did not have the time”

Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

😉

Dave Thomas
Dave Thomas
Apr 10, 2020 11:36 AM
Reply to  1of7billion

A bit of sense at last. I find most of these conspiracy posts pretty daft, I had a look at some of the Facebook posts on Corona virus and 5g. Most were of the ‘ a friend who works in telecoms’, ‘my cousin who is a nurse’, one for example said they were taking a photo of. 5g mast (perfectly legal and ok), he wouldn’t say where (why not?), when someone from the council came up to him ( why the council?), and told him to stop. All obviously made up, but people believe it. This is the sort of… Read more »

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Apr 9, 2020 3:31 PM

You can guide a horse to the water, but you can’t make it drink. As it stands, the truth is not surfacing. What unfolds is the next step towards a clearly sorted society. There will be no more elections. You will get your microchip implant – because if you chose not to: you are endangering everybody else. You have already been vaccinated via ‘thunderstorms’ and other weather ‘phenomena’. Arnold Schwarzenegger and his pet ponies are just the beginning. In combination with a tight control over a human being’s own body, some sort of ‘temporary-emergency-ubi’ will leave the populations no other… Read more »

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Apr 9, 2020 3:35 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

Oh, I almost forgot. What about the Skripals having received some Porton Down modified Corona light?

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Apr 9, 2020 3:45 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

nottheonly1 I think you also forgot that everyone has the ability to say, “No.” And this is a real power.

Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 5:32 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Individual No’s have no power. They only fear the masses, why do you think they have been slowly & consistently implementing surveillance & privacy laws. Its to stop us organizing a mass NO.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Apr 10, 2020 2:01 PM
Reply to  Objective

Objective Rosa Parks was an individual who said, “No”.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 9, 2020 1:56 PM

Ok – the extreme powers are they temporary – no. So what is the reasoning behind the lockdown? Let me share (if allowed?). ‘Feasibility of Controlling COVID-19 Outbreaks in the UK by Rolling Interventions | medRxiv We estimated given that multiple interventions with an intensity range from 3 to 15, one optimal strategy was to take suppression with intensity 3 in London from 23rd March for 100 days, and 3 weeks rolling intervention with intensity between 3 and 5 in non-London regions. In this scenario, the total infections and deaths in the UK were limited to 2.43 million and 33.8… Read more »

Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 5:38 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

What? Talk about mad scientist (not you the author).

Ok i didn’t really manage to digest much of that, but what i see is the omission on the consequences of their mitigation strategy, i.e. economy & health of the entire nation to save the lives (mostly) of people likely to die within 18 months anyway of existing health conditions.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 9, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  Objective

Oh there is research on the mitigation strategy too. I’ll tell you in a mo’ but first these people you write off with blasé – MOST wouldn’t be likely to die in the next 18 months! Most will have many years – including my one lunged friend who is 69! Get a grip. Right the correct strategy would be, to put it simply, do a rolling extension of herd immunity by letting people get infected in a controlled manner. …… ‘…Adaptive cyclic exit strategies from lockdown to suppress COVID-19 and allow economic activity | medRxiv We use mathematical models to… Read more »

Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 6:34 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Is your one lunged friend enjoying the quality of life the lock down is providing?

Yes their mitigation strategy looks like a liberal wet dream, control, manage, ignore natural process, bankrupt the country, kill thousands more through neglect, depression & cruelty.

Explain to me why you think your friends life is more important than other peoples freedoms, Where historically millions have given their lives to protect those freedoms?

Do you really buy this BS?

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 12:53 PM

The press and government enquirers are so talented at not asking the questions that need to be asked like like How is the prime minister today minister? This is what needs to be asked: Is this similar to most flu virus outbreaks, in its spread and severity ? Are the overall death rate totals going to be comparable with regular seasonal flu outbreaks ? How many of our hospitals are still empty of Covid victims ?. Are doctors counting deaths as Covid without a test, when people clearly died of other causes? You have destroyed a very fragile British economy,… Read more »

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Apr 9, 2020 12:56 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

None of those questions will be asked. The MSM ‘reporters’ are rubbish. I wonder, are their questions at that daily press conference pre-approved?

Magggie
Magggie
Apr 9, 2020 5:37 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Of course the questions are pre approved, exactly the same as question time…

Shaking My Head
Shaking My Head
Apr 9, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

It’s the same thing in Canada. Not a single question of basic critical thinking posed by the press to the government. It’s manufacturing consent.

Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 5:42 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

I gave up with the daily no 10 updates, its a sham. Evidently the purpose of mentioning the “healthy young deaths” is pure propaganda,fear mongering to keep people indoors.

I saw one rag claim a woman died of cv19 giving birth, wouldn’t that terrify you if you were an expectant mother or father?

Oscar
Oscar
Apr 10, 2020 4:51 AM
Reply to  Objective

Next up in the same rag… “Mother gives birth to CV19”

And can anyone tell me just the the heck a Tiger catches CV19, surely such an animal is in isolation due to it’s appetite for flesh of any type

Objective
Objective
Apr 10, 2020 8:37 AM
Reply to  Oscar

Good point. Unless they be feeding them infected whomans?

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Apr 9, 2020 12:52 PM

From The Grun:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/sex-toy-sales-triple-during-new-zealands-coronavirus-lockdown

I’m surprised they didn’t have this little gem in their bat flu live feed.

Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 6:19 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

I can just imagine a constable asking if that dildo is an essential purchase.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Apr 9, 2020 12:44 PM

The Coronavirus Act 2020 Part 2 Section 90 states that a national authority (ie, a minister of the Crown) may by regulation alter the expiry date. It also states that a national authority (ie, minister of the Crown) may by regulation alter any power. Section 90 gives the government the power to do anything, forever. The Coronavirus Act 2020 is our Enabling Act 1933. The difference is in Germany in 1933 there was substantial organised opposition to the implementation of fascism; whereas, here there are only unorganised, isolated voices.

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 9, 2020 12:19 PM

Another front page story in the local paper here in Aberdeen where a 45 year old postman dies of Covid19. His partner said. “They didn’t test him but they said they are 100% sure that’s what he had, and I spoke to the registrar yesterday and on his death certificate it says “presumed Covid19.”

Magggie
Magggie
Apr 9, 2020 1:13 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Where was this statement published? What we/ someone should be doing is collating all the lying barstewards figures.. I am sick and tired of hearing about it now. I totally despair for the future of my family. Daughter already acknowledges that they are all going to be chipped, which will contain ALL information, and realises that without one her boys will not have access to the right education, be allowed to work or have access to any money. And the chip will track them and listen to them to make sure they are ‘thinking’ right. What I dont understand is… Read more »

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 9, 2020 2:56 PM
Reply to  Magggie

Maggie, published in Aberdeen Evening Express 9/4/20

Magggie
Magggie
Apr 9, 2020 5:41 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Thanks Grafter, have you a link please? My computer gave up the ghost and I’m struggling with a tablet and phone now. Grrrrr!

Mark Gobell
Mark Gobell
Apr 9, 2020 11:51 AM

The emergency legislation, the Coronavirus Bill 2019-20 passed the House of Commons without a vote on 23 March 2020. https://services.parliament.uk/Bills/2019-21/coronavirus/stages.html The 87 th anniversary of the Nazi’s Enabling Act passing the Reischstag on 23 March 1933, which gave Adolf Hitler absolute dictatorial power … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933 The Bill’s house arrest edict was promulgated by Boris Johnson the next day, by text message, even though it’s provisions had not then been enacted into law. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-sms-messages The 87 th anniversary of the Nazi’s Enabling Act being proclaimed on 24 March 1933 … https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-enabling-act MG

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 11:37 AM

I am surprised that some of what I assumed were the most intelligent of the alternative media are falling hook line and sinker for this virus scam, and don’t appear to be questioning anything despite the facts contradicting most of what is being said in the media. Maybe they were also controlled opposition or are just a bit slow on the uptake.

Borncynic
Borncynic
Apr 9, 2020 11:43 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

I think many are keeping their powder dry. That’s what’s I’m hoping, anyway. To question the madness could have the effect of being lumped in with the ‘conspiricists’ and lead to de-platforming. Perhaps self-serving on one hand but pragmatic on the other.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 9, 2020 1:20 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Jack(Jim) added to which of course, by now, the whole thing should be relegated to an ordinary news item. I have to ask why the MSM, the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 have this as the sole item of news on the news so to speak. It is hyping hysteria, fuelling fake news, promoting false figures and false science. It shouldn’t be something that is dominating the news still the way it is doing. Of course there is a lot more to this than meets the eye – the Government really are political point scoring. A good Leader… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 9, 2020 6:41 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Or maybe the hospitals really are coping with something out of the ordinary, as so many front-line medical staff keep saying…? One of the alt-media sites that I follow is run by a doctor, in his spare time, and his reports, and the conversations he’s been having with fellow medics indicate incredulous outrage that anyone should suggest that nothing unusual is happening, whilst they’re up to their – often unprotected – necks in it. Who are you going to believe: the professionals on the front-line, sending back their reports of daily experiences, or the weird tribe of key-board theorists –… Read more »

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 7:38 PM

He must be accustomed to the NHS being in crisis by now, because it happens almost every year. Did he tell you that in 2018 it was far far worse than now or that more people died then, than will die during this outbreak ? no, I didn’t think so. The numbers of dead for this year will be much lower than in 2018, but you will not be around to apologising for the destruction of the would economy.

Next time you speak to him ask him if he is attributing people as Covid when they died of other illnesses.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 9, 2020 8:15 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Why don’t you go to The Lifeboat News and put your theories to him yourself, jim. His posting-name is dan. He will – of course – slaughter your amateur arm-chair theorist’s chop-logic with his detailed frontline experience and his detailed, time-served, experienced knowledge of the subjects involved. We’ve seen a lot of that already at TLN. Go on, I dare you! I won’t hold my breath, though. :O) BTW, I have a neighbour who’s an ex-nurse, now on call in case of need for back-up staff. The conversations he’s been having with his wide range of medical-professional friends still hard… Read more »

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 11:33 AM

This is what it must have felt like to live in the Soviet Union. Only propaganda and lies in the media run by useful idiots, as you desperately trawl articles and read between the lines to collect facts and put together as real a picture as you can of what is really going on. They aren’t pulling down independent sites the same day they go up yet, but they will.

IANA
IANA
Apr 9, 2020 2:00 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Well queuing up at Tesco’s at 10 past 6 this morning with about 40 or 50 other people it certainly felt like it.

It was the first thing that came to mind – how we used to ‘ laugh’ at the communist bread queues etc.

Well they’re here now…

gordon
gordon
Apr 9, 2020 11:31 AM

comrades remember to clap tonight remember do not forget to clap remember it is the evil doers that do not clap at 9 11 clap sorry at 7 7 clap sorry 6 6 clap no 8 that is it 8 clap clap for the sleeping nhs dozing waiting for the rush of victims that will never come. clap for your liverpool care pathway rolled out all over blighty clap for the boot stamping on a face forever stay home save the nhs 200 billion biggest employer in europe the deserve r and r let them sleep avoid hospitals stockholm will… Read more »

Magggie
Magggie
Apr 9, 2020 1:35 PM
Reply to  gordon

Totally agree with everything you have written Gordon. Note hoe they are rushed off their feet, but no mention of all the people that have previously lain on stretchers in the corridors for hours on end prior to ‘ the con-virus’. My husband being one of them in 2014, having had a serious spine op to free his dura, then sent home too early after two days???? Only to collapse a week later and rushed back into hospital to then lay there for three hours! He was kept for another two days, and sent home on morphine, which he had… Read more »

gordon
gordon
Apr 9, 2020 6:29 PM
Reply to  Magggie

Still, I’m living on borrowed time anyway, get air get sun do not use sun block let your body make vit d take 3 grams of vit c a day look into lugols iodine buy herbs to make essiac tea make soursop leaf tea make tea from wild dandelions nettles,black berry leaves cut out all refined sugars liverpool care pathway is normalcy why trust someone you do not know doctor harold shipman one of the worlds biggest serial killers avoid these ghouls they want you ill and dependent let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food physician heal… Read more »

Mrs Gardener
Mrs Gardener
Apr 12, 2020 10:55 AM
Reply to  gordon

Absolutely, nothing in the news that the way to fight a virus (fake or otherwise) is with a healthy immune system. NEWS Negative Energy Weapons So far every official recommendation is the opposite of what is required: stay in – no absolutely go out, fresh air & sunshine self isolate – huge mental health issues from isolation news and media – fear response, reduces immune system, you are either in survival mode, or repair mode you cannot be both social distance – fear response, reduced immune system wash hands with sanitiser regularly – soap and water is enough, and frankly… Read more »

TFS
TFS
Apr 9, 2020 11:03 AM

‘For starters, sections 11, 12 & 13 grant permanent legal indemnity to the government, and any employees thereof, for any harm done when a patient is being treated for Covid19 or “suspected Covid19”. ‘

They maybe worried about legal challenges from loved ones over their handling of the outcome from a 2016 Pandemic trial in London that would seem to suggest, no lessons were headed. I suspect ‘National Security’ card will be played, should anyone want to see that particular reports light of day.

https://orwell1984366490226.wordpress.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-spread-in-uk-is-a-crime-as-nhs-had-4-years-to-prepare-for-pandemic-john-pilger/

Pyewacket
Pyewacket
Apr 9, 2020 11:00 AM

Here in the UK, about a week or so ago, the Government launched an appeal for an army of the willing public to be recruited voluntarily whose role would be to support our NHS by being available to deliver, prepared food, groceries or prescription meds to the housebound elderly, infirm or vulnerable. All very Cameronesque Big Society schtick. The appeal initially asked for 250,000 volunteers. I believe that this figure was swiftly surpassed, and it was over 400,000 within a couple of days. It’s now somewhere around three quarters of a million. That is a large army of willing hands,… Read more »

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 1:02 PM
Reply to  Pyewacket

When they start to give this army ‘special powers and a structure to report on people, then you know they are recreating a Stasi army. Perhaps even a little card to show they are part of the salvation army of angles. So easy to do.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 10:59 AM

The great philosopher and alleged CIA operative Alex Jones always used to say of the CIA, if it works they will keep using it, over and over again until it doesn’t, and I believe him. To me the way this virus event has unfolded has so many similarities to the other major ‘events’ of the last 10 years. Like the Global warming campaign, the anti-socialist antisemitism campaign and also Brexit, all slightly different operations but essentially run in the same way. I’m sure there are parallels to be drawn with the CIA operations in the Ukraine, Venezuela and other parts… Read more »

Einstein
Einstein
Apr 9, 2020 10:46 AM

Germany legally became a police state on 30th January 1933.
It seems Britain has legally become a police state on 25th March 2020.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 11:12 AM
Reply to  Einstein

I think the great coup happened in 2001, following 9/11, it all started then to unfold from then on.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Apr 9, 2020 12:49 PM
Reply to  Einstein

Einstein The Enabling Act 1933 was passed into law on 23 March 1933.

Steve
Steve
Apr 9, 2020 10:43 AM

Dr. Michael Ryan from the WHO

“And at the moment in most parts of the world due to lockdown most of the transmission that’s actually happening in many countries now is happening in the household at family level. In some senses transmission has been taken off the streets and pushed back into family units. Now we need to go and look in families to find those people who may be sick and remove them and isolate them in a safe and dignified manner.”

Pray that your wives and kids don’t get a cold anytime soon.

Reg
Reg
Apr 9, 2020 12:21 PM
Reply to  Steve

The WHO is the new Vatican. Bill Gates the Pope. And the Inquisition against heretics is in full swing.

Enough
Enough
Apr 9, 2020 1:01 PM
Reply to  Steve

WHO: “Now we need to go and look in families to find those people who may be sick and remove them and isolate them in a safe and dignified manner”

At the same time, governments are giving themselves immunity from prosecution in case of stuff-ups. Many healthcare related checks and balances steadily being removed.

Laws changed without any debate. No opposition. Nobody is allowed to leave home and protest!

This is alarming, but there is nothing to raise the alarm with!

Magggie
Magggie
Apr 9, 2020 6:12 PM
Reply to  Steve

Get plenty of sunshine Steve, vitamin D which is absorbed by ingesting vitamin C. If you do succumb to a sniffle, use whiskey, ginger ale heated up but not boiled, lemons squeezed, and honey, all mixed into a toddy, which kills all nasties in your body. 🐵

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 9, 2020 10:13 AM

“Earlier this week, the UK government warned that stricter lockdown measures could be implemented following reports that thousands of citizens took to the country’s parks on Saturday. Currently, the government allows citizens to leave their residences for exercise once a day.”

We are now living in a dystopian lunatic asylum.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 11:26 AM
Reply to  Grafter

Notice how they do not say because of the effect on the virus, they have shifted it to people are being too free, which has become a crime in itself.

Steve
Steve
Apr 9, 2020 9:44 AM

I was listening to Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 the other day, I can only stand the twat for the two minutes it takes me to make my sandwiches or boil my soup (yes, sometimes I boil it, I’m a rebel like that) and he was discussing those swines that had dared to go out to the park on a sunny day, thus putting themselves and the rest of humanity in mortal danger. He asked his guest, who must have been some kind of self appointed expert in some kind of thing, if those people were ignorant of the rules… Read more »

Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 5:57 PM
Reply to  Steve

I was listening to Jeremy Vine

I stopped there, no offense to you but i cant tolerate anything he has to say.

Blubber
Blubber
Apr 9, 2020 9:06 AM

The death figures will keep going up – even beyond seasonal norms – whilst the medical profession is being instructed to get DNR signatures from people who would normally have been resuscitated. The cov19 death figures will continue to go up whilst the medical profession is instructed to label all death certificates as such – even in absence of ( crappy) test results ie if patient displayed symptoms or they’d been in contact with someone else that had it. Use a test that doesn’t work AND is artificially rationed. Close doctors surgeries so every other serious underlying illness is more… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 9, 2020 1:32 PM
Reply to  Blubber

Blubber, yep it’s call anal retention. We are an anally retentive nation!!

Joerg
Joerg
Apr 9, 2020 8:52 AM

It’s not only Sweden which follows the (only logical) strategy of “herd immunity”. It’s also Belarus and it’s president Lukaschenko (German):
https://de.sott.net/article/34230-Corona-Luge-Weirussland-weigert-sich-standhaft-irgendwelche-Manahmen-zu-ergreifen

Translated: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.sott.net%2Farticle%2F34230-Corona-Luge-Weirussland-weigert-sich-standhaft-irgendwelche-Manahmen-zu-ergreifen

It will come the time that we will be able to compare the result of both srtategies.

Shaking My Head
Shaking My Head
Apr 9, 2020 4:38 PM
Reply to  Joerg

‘It’s better to die standing than to live on your knees’ – Belarus leader on coronavirus
https://news.yahoo.com/better-die-standing-live-knees-095603687.html

johny conspiranoid
johny conspiranoid
Apr 9, 2020 8:25 AM

Dylan was right man, the age of the Anti-Christ has only just begun!

Nimrod
Nimrod
Apr 9, 2020 9:04 AM

Robert Allen Zimmerman says whatever he wants for the occasion.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 9, 2020 6:20 AM

This does offer a political party the opportunity to garner votes by promising to ‘Repeal the Coronvirus Act’.

That is how you get it off the statutes.

A simple guillotined motion, 3-line whip, by a majority government.

If it can be passed in an afternoon, it can be repealed in an afternoon.

bob
bob
Apr 9, 2020 8:25 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

maybe, in an ideal world – but the brand new, spankingly good and gleaming labour party only want to co-operate with the government – Starmer has a massive history of collusion with spooks – so I don’t think anything like this will happen – opposition – what opposition?

I cannot see where any political opposition to fascism in the UK will come from

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 9, 2020 9:01 AM
Reply to  bob

Have they purged Labour of the 500,000 ‘antisemites’ yet?

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 9, 2020 1:37 PM

Richard Le Sarc, not yet but it’s Starmer’s major priority it would seem!! Have you read the letter he sent to the President of the Board of Deputies. It’s a disgrace, a true disgrace. We need a combative Leader of the Opposition at this point (like Corbyn was which is why he was so destroyed by the MSM). Starmer, I call him Stooge Starmer, a Zionist and a political opportunist. Given he was a Human Rights Lawyer you would have thought he would ask for an urgent recall of Parliament to review the Coronavirus Bill given that the police are… Read more »

IANA
IANA
Apr 9, 2020 2:12 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Sorry I only read down so far – looks like the following comments all made my point!

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 6:56 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

You can never do enough grovelling to our Zionist masters.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 1:33 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

There was a story, one of scores that we get shoved down our throats, unceasingly, on the ABC yesterday, about a ‘Holocaust survivor’ who had reached 100. He seemed a doughty, undemented, happy chap, who had survived Hell, then lived a long life. But in the pictures of his youth, was one of him with Menachem Begin, the self-declared ‘ Father of Terrorism’. A bit like a 100 year old German with an old picture of him hobnobbing with Heydrich. Just part of the unremitting brain-washing.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 9, 2020 1:58 PM

They even launched a hysterical anti semitism witch hunt against Ken Loach who was to judge an anti racism essay competition for school kids on behalf of a charity. The usual suspects – The Board Of Deputies and Labour Friends Of Israel approached any club or organisation connected to this charity demanding they dump Loach as a judge for this competition. No. It didn’t end with Corbyn. Anyone who supports Palestine in any way will be tarred and feathered as an anti semite. It will go on and on because these thugs and bullies and gutless snivelling cowards will not… Read more »

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Apr 11, 2020 9:58 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Read Cook’s excellent article, too. Political Zionists who represent no one but themselves, together with their media and political cronies, are holding an entire society to random. Stand up for yourselves, anti-racist Brits!

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 9, 2020 6:07 PM
Reply to  bob

Should see the Times of Israel report celebrating his election as Likud leader.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/keir-starmer-elected-uk-labour-chief-apologizes-to-jews-for-party-anti-semitism/

Funny how they have the same style if colours and even the begging wordage as our very own ‘the Groaniad’.

IANA
IANA
Apr 9, 2020 2:11 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

When you see someone like Corbyn destroyed over the false meme of anti-semitism driven by a media singing with one voice and which (apart from his Brexit stance) probably singularly destroyed his campaign. Then you see almost the same effect causing Boris Johnson to u-turn over night regarding his stance on CV19 you know there are larger forces at work.

A slight glimpse of the hidden hand of who really runs this country.

Anyone daring to go up against the current meme will only face the same opprobrium. Its not the puppets we should going after but the puppeteers.

Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  IANA

Lets be fair Corbyn did nothing to halt the lunacy of identity politics, the reality is he just turned out to be a disappointment.

paul
paul
Apr 10, 2020 3:54 PM
Reply to  IANA

Our Zionist masters just throwing their weight about as usual.

Cassandra2
Cassandra2
Apr 9, 2020 2:59 AM

A long and highly detailed document, question, when was it initiated? Presumably well prior to coronavirus breakout?

Parallel – ‘Patriot Act’.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 9, 2020 1:39 PM
Reply to  Cassandra2

Cassandra 2 – food for thought. Someone on OffG did say that the Government clearly were ready because in less than half a day apparently, they produced a 370 page detailed piece of Legislation which they slipped through Parliament in an afternoon. l don’t think Parliamentary Draftsmen can draft this kind of Legislation in months let alone an afternoon. Yep Patriot Act parallel.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Apr 9, 2020 4:27 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

JO Dominich The emergency legislation, which became the Coronavirus Act 2020, was prepared after the 2016 exercise that looked at what would happen if there was a pandemic. The exercise found that the NHS would be overwhelmed, so the government ignored NHS lack of capacity and instead drafted legislation to give the government unlimited powers.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Apr 9, 2020 2:25 AM

Government needs martial law powers when the deep state Central Ineptitude Agency decides to launch bioweapons & covert war psyops against competition.

Brig Gen Smedley Butler said follow the money.

MOU

Capt JT Kirk
Capt JT Kirk
Apr 9, 2020 2:10 AM

Beam me up Scotty. Now!!!

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Apr 9, 2020 2:29 AM
Reply to  Capt JT Kirk

Scotty is busy fixing the lithium crystals in the Engineering bay silo, Captain.

He claims it’s going to blow and that you should call the Klingons for teleportation back to a star base.

MOU

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 9, 2020 8:08 PM

Klingons didn’t buy enough loo rolls…

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Apr 9, 2020 2:51 AM
Reply to  Capt JT Kirk

this “should” help.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 9, 2020 8:19 PM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

Ah magnifique! Daevid Alan what a smith! I’m going to dig out Poet for Sale.

Joerg
Joerg
Apr 9, 2020 9:18 AM
Reply to  Capt JT Kirk

Enterprize to captain:
Capt’n, please relax – you can’t do anything now anyway. Just enjoy feeling “comfortly numb”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xTttimcNk

There is no pain, you are receding
A distant ship, smoke on the horizon
You are only coming through in waves
(Your lips move, but I can’t hear what you’re saying)

Scotty
Scotty
Apr 9, 2020 2:04 PM
Reply to  Capt JT Kirk

Wu canna do that capn!

Spock says that minutes will be hours and hours will be days and days will be weeks and weeks will be months, but we should have it fixed in three weeks.

Robert Koch
Robert Koch
Apr 9, 2020 1:44 AM

Here’s what I do on twitter: I ask every virologist out there if they can send me a link to a scientific paper that proves the virus was isolated from multiple cases and purified.I don’t even ask about the est of Koch’s postulates. I get sent photos of a virus that I must take at face value, yet they could be exosomes. I get spike protein sequences. Everything but a simple paper proving there are multiple instances of an isolated and purified virus. Note: you will be ridiculed and blinded with fake science (gotta love Thomas Dolby). Just keep asking… Read more »

Rachel
Rachel
Apr 9, 2020 1:57 AM
Reply to  Robert Koch

But, in not admitting it the truth remains obscured :: Our Economy Is Way More Sick Than Us! :: https://www.wilddigital.co.uk/our-economy-is-way-more-sick-than-us/

hotrod31
hotrod31
Apr 9, 2020 5:41 AM
Reply to  Rachel

That’s debatable … 😉
I feel well and truly knackered. However, I suspect that you’re on the money re: the economy … hence, the well orchestrated, elaborate cover-story.

Perhaps … this is it, phase 3 of the grand-plan. If one has been paying attention, it should be standing out like canine gonads.

Kennedy, 9-11, CODIV19 (each testing the waters for the time to ‘up-scale’) … of course there have been other elaborate bi-plots along the way.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 9, 2020 2:01 AM
Reply to  Robert Koch
Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 9, 2020 3:07 AM
Reply to  milosevic

It’s interesting that one of the people listed as an author on the first listed SARS-CoV-2 genome sequence, MN908947, is Edward C. Holmes, evolutionary biologist and virologist, and since 2012 a National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) Australia Fellow and professor at the University of Sydney. This is the person who said of a Chinese research team’s conclusion that the Chinese cobra and many-banded krait were reservoirs of the virus, “It’s complete garbage.” This is not how a high-ranking scientist would speak of a research team’s work publically. I also note that a Wei Wang is one of the… Read more »

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 9, 2020 9:03 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Wang Wei was a pretty decent poet as well.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 9, 2020 1:37 PM

How ’bout dem apples.

Tony
Tony
Apr 10, 2020 3:42 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Hi Petra, You should always ask all those who really insist that any variant or ‘mutation’ of this alleged ‘pathogenic’ Cornavirus physically exists to come up with the original scientific paper that actually demonstrates the FACT, with the name of the scientist who claims to have identified it, when and where at, and who funded the research and then ask how it was isolated with all the full experimental details. Which means isolation and purification by methods other than by paying lip service to serology or PCR assays, or reference to GenBank sequences that allegedly derive from the genomes of… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 9, 2020 8:55 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Alternatively, genome sequencing doesn’t necessarily imply the virus is isolated and that testing will work to identify it. This is a combined comment from Tony and VirusGuy. The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such). PCR basically takes a sample of… Read more »

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 9, 2020 2:55 AM
Reply to  Robert Koch

Really interesting. Could be a piece in that! Do get in touch if you’d care to share your experiences. A2

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 9, 2020 1:31 AM

There’s not enough space in prison for all the people who know all this is a farce…

Rachel
Rachel
Apr 9, 2020 1:57 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel
Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 2:35 AM
Reply to  Rachel

Neo-liberal capitalism is THE zombie. It’s dead, no more, gone to God, pushing up the daisies etc, but with unceasing injections of money, it is kept lurching about, infecting everything it touches.

hotrod31
hotrod31
Apr 9, 2020 5:50 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

Why prison? These blood-sucking parasites have leeched for long enough. The French had a better idea … le guillotine

InsectBrain
InsectBrain
Apr 9, 2020 1:24 AM

I wonder if Louis N. Proyect is going to post a comment comparing Off Guardian to the Extreme Right?

Robert Koch
Robert Koch
Apr 9, 2020 1:54 AM
Reply to  InsectBrain

Probably. Nowadays being accused of being extreme right is almost a vice. Strange times.

1of7billion
1of7billion
Apr 9, 2020 12:59 AM

Let’s face it – none of us knows the real truth about what is going on, or at least have not been able to convince me they do, but I’ll give it my best shot at what makes most sense to me. China has had a big problem with President Trump they never had anywhere near as serious before he was elected. With a man as mercurial as President Trump, they can’t be sure even nuclear attack is not sooner or later on the cards. Nobody really knows for sure the military capability of America. If they had the intelligence… Read more »

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 9, 2020 2:20 AM
Reply to  1of7billion

as crazy as this sounds, it’s no more so than the Official Story.

consider also this:

https://off-guardian.org/2019/01/14/the-war-on-populism/

hotrod31
hotrod31
Apr 9, 2020 5:59 AM
Reply to  1of7billion

I suspect that you’re in awe of psychopaths. STOP!

We are many and they are few, why would you want to believe that ‘they’ are going to miraculously change?

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 9:15 AM
Reply to  1of7billion

The ‘PC media’ does not exist, they are a fantasy created by the six large corporations that own and run the vast majority of US media outlets. They act as part of a faux opposition to maintain the illusion of a democracy, but essentially act in the interests of the military corporate complex that owns them. You are right to say we do not know the USA’s military capacity, and in many areas they have fallen behind Russia in missile defence systems (S-400), in hypersonic ICBM’s and in fighter aircraft, where the F35 is looking like an expensive turkey. I… Read more »

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 2:38 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

US ‘calculations’ are driven by racist and Orientalist contempt for the ‘mere Asiatics’. It will kill us all, of course.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 9, 2020 10:25 AM
Reply to  1of7billion

FFS 1 learn to precis! Even crap can be precised.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 2:36 AM
Reply to  1of7billion

You render the rest of your persiflage nonsense by calling Beijing ‘Peking’. Long Live the White Man’s Burden!

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Apr 9, 2020 12:46 AM

as now and previous to this Corap ? – we had Overlords , confidence tricksters, prevaricators deceivers, theives and psychopaths, vile oppressors of the people who It used to increase its Power – to advance itself toward this inevitable apex where the culmination of generations of its slaves would reach the end of their usefulness, all that history, perhaps, are looking down, watching their offshoots – tucked away in their homes, munching on snacks , playing the playstation and watching the latest thrilling boxset….waiting, and waiting, and waiting some more……..and “For What” exactly ? ! ? ! ?

hotrod31
hotrod31
Apr 9, 2020 6:15 AM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

Short answer? … because THEY could.

Extended … because we, the fickle, self-indulgent, greedy, easily polarized, overzealous, fother mucking sheeple … allow them to.

We’re all guilty …

May Hem
May Hem
Apr 9, 2020 12:05 AM

welcome to 1984.

“What IS clear is that powerful global interests, including members of the World Economic Forum, are using this time of disruption and desperation to try and push through many elements needed to implement their Fourth Industrial Revolution program. This includes global digital currency, smart biometric surveillance, wearable technologies, online education, and tele-presence labor including tele-medicine and tele-therapy. All of this is happening against a back-drop of increased policing, diminished labor and environmental protections, and 5G infrastructure installation.”

https://wrenchinthegears.com/

Rachel
Rachel
Apr 9, 2020 2:01 AM
Reply to  May Hem

A very eloquent and accurate answer… I’d love to know what you have to add to this… Our Economy Is Way More Sick Than Us! :: https://www.wilddigital.co.uk/our-economy-is-way-more-sick-than-us/

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 8, 2020 11:56 PM

America’s “Patriot Act” was also supposed to be a temporary measure – yet almost two decades later it has been renewed yet again. Even with the Democratic Party having a House of Representatives majority AND having spent three years telling us that the Orange One is literally a “Russian agent,” and a “Putin puppet” – they of course didn’t stand in the way of yet again extending our “official” doctrine of unending police state spying operations and the “cognitive infiltration” of web sites that oppose government policies. I’m just waiting for my “thought crimes” to be officially added to the… Read more »

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 12:04 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

You should listen to the Jimmy dore show.

https://www.youtube.com/user/TYTComedy

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 9, 2020 3:59 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

I check Jimmy daily jack(jim) – thanks. His buddy Graham is doing an interview with Whitney Webb today that is worth listening to also – at the Political Vigilante on youtube.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 8, 2020 11:51 PM

Wolgang Wodarg’s Website:

http://www.wodarg.com

has been offline all day.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 9, 2020 1:07 AM
Reply to  clickkid

It was back for a bit. Seems it’s offline again, I concur. A UK change.org petition contesting the CV Act, with almost 200,000 signatories, was recently disappeared without word. Really, whether or not they have isolated a dangerous virus, and whether or not any antibody tests are ever conducted on sample populations (you’d have thought this would be useful data if we’re risking future outbreaks by ‘flattening the curve’, wouldn’t you?), and whether or not we’re truly witnessing anything here other than usual global excess mortality in flu season,….. coronavirus is clearly doing a grand job of masking a lot… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 9, 2020 2:39 AM
Reply to  clickkid

But this can easily be a propaganda measure to make us think that Wolfie is 100% genuine. While like much controlled opposition he delivers quite an amount of truth I think there is evidence suggesting that he is, in fact, controlled opposition and making his site offline simply helps to promote his credibility. Psyops always have the following two characteristics: 1. They give us clear signs that the event is a psyop. 2. They do not fake anything so well that it can be brandished by someone who believes their story in support of it. A third characteristic is generally… Read more »

Joerg
Joerg
Apr 9, 2020 8:38 AM
Reply to  clickkid

On this Thursday morning, April 8th, Wodarg’s site is accessible again (from Vienna)

Joerg
Joerg
Apr 9, 2020 8:40 AM
Reply to  Joerg

Sorry: on this Thursday morning, April 9th(!)…

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 8, 2020 11:47 PM

Exactly so they finally get their hands on the Henry VIII powers!

I can guess which national crises they will be deployed on immediately following the cuurent excuse they have been smuggled in on.

Gordo
Gordo
Apr 8, 2020 11:45 PM

There have been several comments throughout different threads describing how it is almost impossible to reason with people concerning this press-induced mass hysteria. With the walking dead who are consumed with fear it is of course truly impossible to talk rationally about it at all and we who try are described as uncaring, deniers etc. But others have described failing to convince their friends or even family members, presumably decent people who just watch too much TV. These otherwise reasonable people are oblivious to the facts about the true nature of the virus or the amplification of the death figures,… Read more »

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 12:11 AM
Reply to  Gordo

How did it work in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany because that is how it is in the UK now. We need to stop expecting rational discussion in our country we only have propaganda now. Discussion is 98% locked down, we have lost our free speech. There is only one establishment figure of any note who has been brave enough to take the liars on, Peter Hitchens is the only man questioning this.

Ramdan
Ramdan
Apr 9, 2020 12:55 AM
Reply to  Gordo

That, unfortunately, might not work. It is know through Terror Management Theory (whic is essentially what this campaing is following: increasing death salience) that when the prospects of probable death (real or imaginary) increases, people-regardless of their previous beliefs- turn ultra-conservatives prioritizing “safety” (real or imaginary) above all other things.
In that enviroment + the long-time decay of humanistic values in society, appeal to ‘decency’ will be rejected on same grounds that logic is.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 9, 2020 2:56 AM
Reply to  Ramdan

let’s see how safe people feel when they lose their jobs and become homeless. at which point it will be too late for them, but when it happens on a sufficiently large scale, other people might start to notice.

JohnB
JohnB
Apr 9, 2020 12:17 PM
Reply to  Ramdan

Which is where humour steps in. Very useful for introducing perspective in difficult situations.

Logic is left brain. Humour bypasses that.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 8, 2020 11:41 PM

I found Trumps comments yesterday very worrying, although couched in concern, about the number of African Americans who were being disproportional affected by this virus in the USA. This was, as is always the case, substantiated in the UK, by the BBC’s News at One programme only 24 houses later.
I’ve always thought it odd that the Aids virus appeared to disproportional target the enemies of the American conservative far-right, but there are hints that the Covid virus might be targeting Black Americans now in the US too.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 8, 2020 11:49 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

They are probably carrying more pre existing conditions and are not medically insured. Ghettos have never disappeared.

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 6:23 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Indeed, you would probably find that matched by the incidence of T.B.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 9, 2020 2:12 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

DunGroanin, Yep that is very true as the UN Report found. People living next to open sewers, the extent of deprivation in many communities so shocking as to be lower than in many third world countries. They also found excessive levels of deprivation here due to austerity and Universal Credit.

Paola
Paola
Apr 8, 2020 11:41 PM

But it’s for our own good!

LOL

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 9, 2020 2:18 PM
Reply to  Paola

Ah Paola – Laugh away – I always run a mile when someone tells me they are doing something for their own good!! On a more serious note though, it is internationally known that those who die of the virus are 80yrs+ old – i.e. the elderly. Well, here in the UK elderly people who are relatively fit are receiving letters from their GPs asking them to sign Do Not Resuscitate forms if they’ve got CV19. Of course, you could collapse from a stroke or heart attack or something when you call 999 but this obsession with CV19 is fuelling… Read more »