WATCH: Perspectives on the Pandemic #2
“Social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus”
Journeyman Pictures sits down with Prof Knut Wittkowski to discuss lockdowns, social-distancing and the best way to handle the spread of a new disease.
The Interviewer: John Kirby is the director of FOUR DIED TRYING, a feature documentary and series on the major assassinations of the 1960’s and their calamitous impact on the country. To join the struggle for justice for Dr. King, Malcolm X, and John and Robert Kennedy.
The Interviewee: Professor Knut Wittkowski was head of The Rockefeller University’s Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design for 20 years.
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A year later, around 515,000 deaths. As everyone knows, whether or not you had sex with that woman depends on what the meaning word is is. Moving on in light of that to COVID-19, now go quibble about the ofs of the withs (mindful, of course, of the Gipper possibility that YASNY).
What book/publication did he reference in this interview?
Every new virus brings a new Dussenberg.
Note: This video is actively being censored and de-listed by Google, Youtube, and Facebook; probably Twitter, too.
Good thing I downloaded it then.
I really found this testimonial from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. powerful, especially given our current circumstances: https://youtu.be/5CfLDXpC324
Interesting discussion on the PCR (Corona Virus) test:
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04/08/corona-creating-illusion-of-pandemic-through-diagnostic-test/
More interesting Corona virus death counting, across the pond:
https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/misc/Sen-Dr-Jensens-Shocking-Admission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html
Brilliant! Thank you. I just added this fantastic video interview to We Are Being Played & Vaccines Will Be Our Reward as a rebuttal for Bill Gates’ determined stance around lockdown and vaccines…
Could the current treatment regime be making things worse?
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928156
I would draw peoples attention to recent article from the New England Journal of Medicine.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
See for yourself what Dr Fauci has concluded about the Virus.
Akin to the seasonal Flu!!! WTF
Yes, but it’s the best way to deal with a financial meltdown…! It’s a lot harder to start a riot when we are under house arrest…. More here :: Our Economy Is Way More Sick Than Us
https://www.wilddigital.co.uk/our-economy-is-way-more-sick-than-us/
So it’s like this. Option 1 – let nature take it’s course. Shield the most vulnerable and inform the public of how to do this and assist those in need financially, medically and morally. There is a period of 4 weeks when the disease spreads and some may die, but the amount of people who become ill and die is not remarkable, something akin to a bad flu season. Coronavirus is nothing new, there are already about four or five in circulation. After 4 weeks, herd immunity is achieved and the disease ceases to be a problem forever. No need for panic, these are what we refer to as the trials of life. The vulnerable can come out of hiding and everyone is naturally immunised to the new pathogen after the 4 week period, because God/Mother Nature has designed humans to be able to deal with these pandemics, which occur… Read more »
Don’t forget that in the UK they intially went for Option 1, to achieve herd immunity, and they announced this decision in public. This was their instinctive, correct, science-based decision. We pay them vast sums of money to act responsibly in these situations, and to act in the interests of the public. This desision was however overturned, and they took a U-turn and persued Option 2. So this begs the question, how did we end up going for Option 2? Who made this decision? Who was putting the pressure on behind the scenes to go for Option 2? We have a right to know EXACTLY who chose Option 2 and how that decision was reached.
Well said, Mucho. The crucial question is exactly that:
Who overturned the decision? What is their name, and what kind of science did they use to back up their reasoning?
Let’s find out.
As for getting rid of these people – and fast – that’s where it gets tricky…
Let’s say that Rupert Murdoch, or Bill Gates, or the current chief of the Rothschilds is the sole motivator behind this, or at least one of maybe six people convinced that their divine view of what must happen to the world must never be opposed…
How many of the countless thousands of their lackeys, enablers and mouthpieces should share their guilt?
How many are “these people”?
Awkward questions like this are, of course, exactly what they realize they can hide behind. Once we are faced with the sheer number of their accomplices, they know we are going to find it very difficult even to begin to take action.
I’m only being devil’s advocate here because I am hoping that somebody who has considered this problem might be able to point to a solution.
They panicked didn’t they? Not helped by the Imperial College Report.
Indeed they panicked. Precisely the thing our government is NOT supposed to do.
Yes exactly – pressure from WHO and initial Imperial College report!
That’s public knowledge, I think. The team at Imperial College headed up by Neal Ferguson did “modelling” to persuade the UK and US to follow path 2.
Option 2 was chosen because it will crash the global economy, and bring about the instantiation of a centralized digital currency that will be tied to social credit scores (ie., observing self-isolation rules, accepting a vaccine) as part of totalitarian aspirations.
Links to support my statement above:
The Greatest Depression: https://youtu.be/ZlTHjAuqRHs
The Bitcoin Psyop: https://youtu.be/FkhUn7nh33Q
Wow you hit the nail on the head! The first option is the route that any knowledgeable system would/should follow. But many of us are afraid to do what is our natural instinct through fear of upsetting the family, friend or neighbour. We need to get the word out and reassurance that the second option is the better option. I’m a fairly positive being and am making use of this time but many will be going Stir crazy and beginning to feel contempt towards their own families. What shall we do?
I found this a very interesting and somewhat informative video. I did have the feeling Prof Wittkowski was sincere and mnew his subject matter, but the question I would have liked to ask him, which wasn’t asked (I did watch the entire video) that I noticed was: why as you are obviously a very experienced and highly qualified expert scientist in the field, do nearly all the scientific advisers to government round the world apparently disagree with you and advise almost the direct opposite of what you are saying? – i.e. lockdowns, shutting down schools, etc. I am sad to say that while I don’t want to depress readers here anymore than probably most of them (including myself) are already, the view expressed by the professor (it’s easier to type that way) that we are due to the lockdown failing to develop herd immunity is almost guaranteed to cause a… Read more »
That’s NOT ‘starvation’. That’s capitalism. The world produces enough food for all, at great ecological cost (also the fault of capitalism)but enough. ‘The Market’ determines that profit comes before human life.
Great ecological cost? It is the communist and other despotically ruled countries whose food production is ecologically destructive. The Russians even drained the Aral Sea into a useless puddle. American farmers are very technologically savvy and good stewards of the land, even improving grazing lands where if left untended as many want, just become wastelands and fire hazards. It would be nice if differing views could be aired without the protesting side seeking retribution for imagined offenses.
Very insightful comment imo, thank you. And i think the same goes for a lot of the PC-brigade in the US who are so blinded by their hate for Trump that they’d rather destroy the whole world than to see him reelected (in all fairness not an alluring prospect, but neither is the alternative). A lot of them are actually convinced the MSM are *downplaying* the danger of covid!
What a relief it is to come on here and read such sane views and commentary. Another thankful reader.
We cannot rule out the possibility that the Boris in hospital story is yet another lie. Boris is a dependable member of “The Club”, he will take one for the team, whatever it takes. That’s what all those pig fucking initiation rituals for the Bullingdon Boys are all about, to make sure they are prepared to do anything when required of them. That and to use the evidence of these vile acts as leverage to make sure they don’t step put of line. All your dreams of a better world are sadly misguided. We are ruled by a bunch of lower than low, amoral, war criminal, genocidal scumbags. That’s the problem. You can imagine all the good things that may come of this that you want, but all you are doing is ignoring the elephant in the room. The problem is the scum that rules over us, that’s the problem,… Read more »
I couldn’t help feeling that “the elephant in the room” should have been a less noble creature… To borrow from your own text, perhaps a ten-foot tall poisonous maggot would be more appropriate?
Otherwise, your comment could not be more accurate.
I think raising the possibility of Boris not being in hospital should be accompanied by some evidence.
Fewer words would be written if guided by that principle. You’re wasting our time.
Muchos gracias for the reply Mucho: You wrote: “All your dreams of a better world are sadly misguided.” I don’t think you quite got my point which as my comment was very long anyway I didn’t probably express in enough detail. What I meant was that before 2 weeks ago, an awful lot of people had a lot of spare money to buy on luxuries, so that they frankly spent half their lives doing “retail therapy” buying more stuff than they could wear and buying replacement upgrades for everything you could imagine, including endless DIY, updating perfectly well decorated homes over and over with an incredible amount of perfectly good stuff – furniture, clothes, expensive technology that mostly even still works – going to the rubbish dumps in some mass demented feeding and wastemaking frenzy. e.g. it was reported a few years back that the nation’s women where spending about… Read more »
Well here’s my short answer to your very long question:
Notice the little word, “was”…
Attention has been drawn here before to the fact that the experts in this field who are not afraid to speak out are those few who have now retired and do not therefore risk losing their livelihood.
The fear of opposing the vast majority of your peers while you are still employed by a prestigious university is a tremendously powerful disincentive to speak out. All one needs to do is mentally put oneself in the shoes of a promising, ambitious young academic to feel the full force of that disincentive.
And of course the vast majority of your peers does not possess the courage to protest “received government/media dogma”, even when the science behind it is wretched and incompetent.
How do you get from an overblown if not outright fake pandemic to the idea a new sustainable economy? There seems no natural connection although the MSM have pushed the same agenda from the beginning. You have also hinted at a connection between fake anthropogenic global warming and the fake pandemic.
Why?
What can you say about the utterly contemptible, low life, no hoper, incompetent subhuman scum who are lording it over us? They could walk under a snake’s belly wearing a top hat. Totally incompetent, whether it’s the Orange Baboon in the White House, the corrupt clueless filth in Brussels, or the Westminster vermin in the UK. Stealing basic medical supplies from one another like common thieves. Frantically casting around for scapegoats to cover their arses, whether it’s China, Russia, or the WHO. Lying through their teeth as usual and trying to throw up a smokescreen. Poland blocked Russian relief flights to Italy. Czechoslovakia stole Chinese relief supplies in transit to Italy. The Exceptional Folk stole anything they could from Canada, Germany, and just about everybody else. Trying to buy up new vaccines for their exclusive use and profit. Doing absolutely nothing to help hard pressed Spain and Italy. They were… Read more »
China are donating to fix their image.
Well at least “we don’t want people to think we’re cold and ruthless” resembles a conscience and a desire to make good.
It’s called soft power, goodwill, and basic humanity.
As opposed to bombing and starving people.
Trump has just ordered tens of thousands of military troops onto the streets of America (because the psychopaths who rule us know what’s coming).
In the last week alone, nearly six million Americans have been made unemployed. These are already historic levels, and they are expected to get even worse over the coming weeks.
Likewise in the UK, and many other European countries.
Likewise the German economy has now tanked to levels never seen before (including the Weimar Republic).
This isn’t just an economic crash; we’re looking at a total explosion of western society.
And all the psychopaths can do is bring out the Frankenstein flu in a vain attempt to cover their total incompetence and criminality.
*cough* *cough*
Thanks for the fear porn Rob. I’ll go and take a shit now. (If I can find any loo roll).
I’ll let you into an alternative secret supply.
It may not be quilted but you’ll have a smile as you wipe ur arse on the face off some unlikeable characters.
Look to the Sun, Daily mail and the like……
It’s not fear porn, John (you need the presstitutes for that, who have been pumping it out non-stop 24/7 for weeks now). I am actually trying to be responsible, in that I don’t shy away from the reality of what’s going on (everyone knows a major economic collapse is happening), but at the same time I’m not talking Mad Max stuff.
It is still about greed, not idiology for now.
A bankster hiest…
So two days ago our loveable rogue of a PM is rushed into the ICU. Anyone who has ever been in an ICU will tell you that the poor sods in there are one step away from the end game.
Low and behold two days later and BoJo is now sitting up having a good old chin wag with everyone!
What utter horse s**t. But like everything else concerning this modern day plague the great British public will swallow it whole.
Iod, in my own little sphere I find it amazing how so many people, from all sides of politics, see through the Boris bullshit.
The most important question is, perhaps: who’s running the country? The answer to that seems to be Sir Mark Sedwill, and a bunch of other unelected, shadowy characters.
More an implosion than an explosion.
SWEDISH UPDATE RT–yes, that RT!–has just published a very alarmist and deceptive article: Sweden using ice rinks and shipping containers as morgues overflow due to Covid-19 deaths. “Sweden opted to forego a total lockdown, imposing only minor restrictions on public life and movement. It has seen more cases than its Scandinavian counterparts Norway, 6,086 with 89 deaths, and Denmark 5,266 with 203 deaths … “Sweden currently has 7,693 confirmed cases of coronavirus infection, while the country’s death toll stands at 591.” Did you all catch that? Sweden has more cases in absolute terms than than the other Scandanavian countries. But nowhere does the article bother to mention that Sweden has a larger population–in fact, Sweden is nearly is big as Norway and Denmark put together! So what would the statistics be in relative terms? Well, drawing from Wikipedia as a source, here are the populations of the three countries: Sweden… Read more »
I’m sorry if the numbers are hard to read, but the spacing got lost when I hit the ‘Post Comment’ button.
Oue ‘source’ is the real physical world.
That’s good enough for me.
RT has gone downhill in the past year or two. They used to be objective but now are the Russian propaganda equivalent of CNN…almost. Sadly.
Now that the gas pipelines are built, the constitution is being re-written , don’t think Mr,Putin won’t play the game a little differently , especially if your “partners” across the pond want to snuggle up with you a bit more. Fuck, CNN may even play a positive piece on Mr.Putin.
I’m not suggesting that’s a bad thing, but eventually, everyone needs to play the game to get what they want. RT is a tool. Its always been, no different than CBC, BBC, etc. To think otherwise would be folly.
Shit, I what am I saying? Could it be as simple as the fact that Russia still looks at Sweden’s political operatives as vermin – to be decimated at any chance presented? Even if they did get the pandemic hoax right….. fuck em.
As soon as you see “RT” you know it’s not worth reading.
RT has become like Sky News. Avoid it.
RT is streets ahead of any major channel.
That doesn’t mean you have to swallow its content whole.
I have to admit it’s only a couple of weeks since I read a decent article in RT which gave most of our western governments a pretty good shagging on all sorts of political issues.
We should keep a perspective on this though. Time passes, and awareness evolves. If you go back 10 – 15 years, even the Huffington Post and the Groan seemed to be interested in revealing controversial truths. Not any more, of course.
So RT sinking into the same mire wouldn’t be a big surprise for me either, sadly.
RT definitely tend to be more strident than they were even a short time ago. But I’ve just assumed that it’s been necessary in view of the non-stop Russia bashing by the Western MSM for the last many years.
BTW, Siberian Times is fun; no politics, very informative, uplifting, and interesting articles about a wide range of topics – history, social, amusing, etc.
Leaving aside the fact we all want Julian Assange out of Belmarsh (for obvious reasons) I suppose the logic of the arguments of many here is that COVID-19 does not provide any leverage for temporary release?
Some countries have released many prisoners, and others are talking about doing so. They should release Assange but they probably won’t.
Personally I agree but such a position would not be consistent with several Off-G articles that argue that there is nothing exceptional about this pathogen – in other words prisoners are not usually deemed at risk from the common cold, or other corona viruses that are circulating.
the ‘official’ reason for his non-release is that he’s not a remand prisoner – hohum
Yes, I saw that – but the point raised here is that corona presents no special threat to prisoners (according to the recent Off-G narrative) and therefore cannot be used as an argument to get him out.
I assume their logic would be that prisoners die in jail every day from respiratory pathogens and there is no extra danger to those in Belmarsh?
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-assange/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-denied-bail-by-london-court-idUKKBN21C26G
They CERTAINLY won’t. I fully expect him to die in Belmarsh.
And yet some countries (maybe even the same countries) are talking about jailing lockdown-refuseniks. Logic isn’t the strong point of psychopathic government.
I was asking about the logic of Off-G’s position, or indeed the vast majority of commentators who see virtually no threat from this pathogen.
To restate a simple question: do they accept legal arguments that COVID-19 provides a potentially serious threat to incarcerated communities therefore justifying arguments about the need for temporary release (taking Julian Assange as an exemplar)?
So far nobody has addressed this point instead giving other reasons why he should be out (which I fully agree with, of course) or shifting focus to the way governments behave.
Playing Devil’s advocate I assume it would be inconsistent for Off-G to support release on these grounds because of the epidemiological data they have linked to, not to mention some of the more arcane theories about altitude sickness or psychosomatic causes of lung hyperinflammation?
I think there’s always a danger of legitimising a phoney narrative if you buy into it self-servingly. This could be extremely damaging moving forward, yes. EDIT: the authorities have made it clear they are not releasing prisoners who are a ‘national security concern’. Arguing for his release could only be on the grounds of increased danger to his life, which would probably play into the current narrative. Yes.
How long was he with Rockefeller for and what capacity?
From the Journeyman Pictures Original YT Broadcast:
“Perspectives on the Pandemic Episode 2: In this explosive second edition of Perspectives on the Pandemic, Professor Knut Wittkowski, for twenty years head of The Rockefeller University’s Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, says that social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus. “
In other words, he’s far more qualified than any of the scum the British Establishment have wheeled out to sell this outright assault to our health on the British public and the wider world. These criminals are bang to rights, they are the lowest of the low, they have no ethics, no credibility, they have deliberately engineered this situation to ensure a second wave of illness and to guarantee we do not reach herd immunity so the vultures behind the vaccines can feed on the corpse which has been left for them and to fuche through the Satanic ID2020 scheme https://id2020.org/. They will be using the limited timeframe ie the potential for this to return in the Autumn, as the leverage to ramp up the fear and hysteria to the point where folk are queueing up for their toxic, poisonous, nano-technology ridden, DNA altering vaccine. There is a lot more… Read more »
Covid19. The gift that keeps on giving
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bernie-sanders-suspends-campaign
The democratic party elite and most of it;s members would rather have Trump than Bernie.
believing anything Tyler Durden writes is equivalent to believing anything the current labour party, under the leadership of Keir Starmer, says. He is a fraud.
try here, then:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/bernie-sanders-drops-out/
Boynie Sanders has just thrown in the towel.
So it’s Creepy Joe v. The Orange Baboon.
Boynie really put up a fight, didn’t he?
Boynie couldn’t fight his way out of a paper bag. Like Jezza.
Superb coverage. Off G – what an act to follow. Peter Hitchens (it’sMr Hitchens to you) is still slightly behind the curve, catching up. This is the place to read the real news.
Peter Hitchens is stuck in 1968. Saying bold things might run in the family, charisma clearly doesn’t.
As for Wittkowski: some valid points, but when he says he has no idea why governments are trying to flatten the curve, it sounds as if he has an agenda, or that he is simply missing what this is all about: It’s about not overloading the health care system.
And for all you pseudo-rebellious gullible souls here who think that’s all a lie… you did know the peak in hospitals is expected at the end of May, right? So yeah, #filmyourhospital all you want, but it would be good to first understand some basics here.
Other than that, the interviewer still has a lot to learn. You just don’t say “….that’s fantastic!” after your subject answers a question. It shows how biased you are.
I don’t quite understand the down votes, because if you look on various health sites (not newspaper or television sites) for a definition of flattening the curve, they will state that it is a suppression of the peak of the curve by “squishing” it so that the “tail” extends into the future for the purpose of not overburdening health facilities.
‘ And for all you pseudo-rebellious gullible souls here who think that’s all a lie… you did know the peak in hospitals is expected at the end of May, right’
Wrong
The peak in hospital admission was predicted (by yours truly) when temps got because that is what you saw in Wuhan and also see now (although it may be to early to call) in Italy and NL
After all common cold viruses, like corona viruses are winter viruses.
So get outside and enjoy the sun
Temps get >20c
Dutch data: https://www.rivm.nl/coronavirus-covid-19/grafieken
We are having similar in the UK. Next three days more like August during the day, obviously much cooler at night. No rain here to speak of now for four and a half weeks and very little on the horizon either.
Wrong…? You send me links of the RIVM but seem to be too lazy to look up this graph: https://www.rivm.nl/coronavirus-covid-19/wat-doen-we-in-nederland/hoe-berekeningen-bijdragen-aan-bestrijding-van-virus (I just love that red line, we could call it the Wittkowski line) Hospital admission is only half the story.
Are you interested in facts or just facts that support your ‘expert’ gut feelings?
Look at the link I gave you, figure : ‘In ziekenhuis opgenomen patiënten’
Meaning: ‘no of people admitted to hospital’ (due to Covid19), which clearly show a trend downwards.
Tell me what I see wrongly in that graph
Or look at page 1-8 of this document
https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-04/COVID-19_WebSite_rapport_20200408_1036%20%281%29.pdf
It’s all going down. Covid19 is getting burned by the sun and the good weather in NL, and the experts are ‘baffled’
It may be too early to call, but the trend is definitely there.
Enjoy
Hope so. There has been speculation warmer weather may mitigate this thing, but some experts reject it or at least say there is no evidence. Flu does however become less virulent in warmer weather. I have personally never had flu in the warmer months of the year.
You see it correctly. But look at the graph I sent you and try to understand what a decline in the number of admissions actually means. It doesn’t mean the peak has passed. It doesn’t mean we can all just go out. The peak of people in hospital is yet to come. And that’s what matters most, not how many admissions there are. The number of admissions lowering is a good sign though!
“It doesn’t mean we can all just go out. ”
Well, I’m fucking well going out – so there!
Oh, rebel you!
More ‘Fuck you Jack-I’m OK’. Until he’s not.
So, you think the panic is justified, and the danger ever-present and real, and flouting these measures could lead to serious harm? Aren’t you taking more of a leap here, imagining there’s anything fishy going on, with potentially very little evidence? Some soldiers stayed in a Wuhan hotel. Engineered corona viruses exist, we guess?
But the fear narrative is what is making ALL of this possible. And the chances of anyone awakening are that much smaller, the more justification they have for those fears. If we entirely lose perspective of the, at present, humdrum aspects of this ‘disease’, I argue that fewer and fewer people will ever cotton on to what is potentially happening here.
Could this not be potentially extremely counterproductive moving forward?
Admin 2,
It is potentially extremely counterproductive moving forward, the problem is the only people that appear to be moving forward at the present juncture are not of the general population but the controllers in their onward march towards the so-called ‘New World Order’ and ‘One World Government’ etc., etc. that’s been on the cards for years now.
The $65, 000 dollar question is what is their next move, could it be in connection with the dollar itself to either dump, strengthen or switch to a digital something else?
Dude, I just looked up your rivm reference, showing me the famous flattening of the curve ‘model’. I repeat: flattening of the curve m o d e l
Well, the model doesn’t work since it doesn’t include temperature.
If you don’t believe me, look at the links I gave and see for yourself that there is a clear correlation between good weather and less Covid19 hospitalizations, etc
I’ll just assume you understand the difference between correlation and causation. I believe the scientific consensus is that we don’t know yet whether this virus is seasonal. Could be, but SARS and MERS didn’t seem to be. MERS supposedly started in Saudi-Arabia. Not exactly the coldest place. Maybe that’s why seasonality isn’t included in the model? Because the scientists just don’t know yet? But you seem to know more than the model makers. Because you’re an expert right? Because you look at the RIVM graph, you see the number go down and that confirms what you already knew in your gut: that this is just like the flu and it will be gone in summer. Who needs experts when you can have a random guy on an internet forum? But just a question…. how do you explain that the number of hospitalizations peaked on the 2nd of April, while the… Read more »
We know next to nothing about this mysterious micro-organism. Better get ready for some unpleasant surprises.
[on what are you basing this observation? They have apparently isolated an undiscovered corona virus, and it’s behaviour seems to be pretty typical of previous flu outbreaks, despite massively inefficient medical services on emergency lockdown and potentially extremely inflated statistics -ed)
PLEASE, could you refrain from making generalised foreboding remarks. By all means bring up any reservations you have, but against the current backdrop of constant fear being pumped at everyone from all direction, these disconcerting comments really achieve nothing except make any sort of objective discussion BTL more difficult.
I do understand the downvotes. That which threatens the pack needs to be downvoted. Such rebel.
I think you’re missing the point. Basically if there had been no confinement, what the data known so far tells us is that there would not have been any noticeable overcrowding of hospitals, not any more than at worst a bad year. Possibly you’re not familiar with hospitals. I unfortunately am because Ive looked after for someone very close for nearly 10 years until recently. So you would know about overcrowding at hospitals, of the total disarray of hospital staff who cannot cope, year in and year out. Also my experience is mine and one should not extrapolate from one experience. So just look up data about admissions to emergency and reanimation over the last 15 years say. That cuts, underfunding, and the lack of staff are an issue is nothing new. If they are worse this year, its because the panic has created a rush to hospital of multiple… Read more »
You put all of this down to panic with people overflowing hospitals because they *think* they might have something. I think that is too simplistic.
I just read in this thread that NYT reported that people who think they might have a heart attack are seemingly staying away from hospitals. The number of people with symptoms of heart attacks are down from normal. This might be an indication that actually people are staying away from hospitals.
You know Mike, your a lost cause. I have read your threads and tried to keep an open mind reading your notes. First of all, the Health Care System are a mess and they needed to be overhauled a long while ago. That is not happening today , even with this outbreak – which does threaten the them. All I see is reactive measures. Nothing was learned from SAR’s or MER’s or even the H1N1 outbreaks buy these neanderthals. Instead we purged ahead same old. Now its going to cost much much more to out a bandage on, never mind cure the system of its internal disease. So frankly when society is made to “flatten a curve” that is manipulated to begin with, to hide away based on flawed data, misrepresented data , misinterpreted data, to say the least, its not going to work. Scare them as much as you… Read more »
Dear Berlin Beerman. Thanks for keeping an open mind and spending so many words on a lost cause. I tried my best, but unfortunately your English is not the best. So it’s hard to tell whether things are lost in translation (English is hopefully not your first language) or that you simply have no clue whatsoever. Take care!
Sorry, but if that post was made by someone with English as a second language, it is excellently written and makes perfect sense.
Ah, thanks for letting me know it’s excellently written. That leads us to conclude the guy has no clue whatsoever then.
The latest news from the vaccine front includes claims that a vaccine will be impossible, as with SARS, or dangerous, or will be ineffective (Like ‘flu vaccines) or, best of all for BigPharma, will need to be given every year like the ‘flu vaccine. This is why the MSM sewer is so viciously against Hydroxychloroquine etc-it threatens BigPharma dreams of mega-profits, with a medication that is out of patent, therefore not a goldmine. And the presstitute scum join in, as well, simply out of their deranged hatred of EVERYTHING Trump says or does. Some Guardian pos was whining that Hydroxychloroquine is ‘dangerous’ yet it is prescribed everywhere for travelers to malarial regions. The dispensing doctor takes a history, and if you have cardiac problems, try something else. ALL medications are dangerous if misused. How low will the Guardian vermin go, and how much blood will be on their paws?
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A very suspicious point about Prof. Wittkowski’s comments is that he’s from The Rockefeller University. We know the doctrine of this university rather related to eugenic ideas.
He’s a knut too!
Eugenic ideas, 100 years ago, when it was all the socialist rage.
I am by no means implying that flattening the curve has been a good idea, only that that is what has been done and that that is the official definition. In my opinion, this stretching of the timeline has disastrous negative implications for every aspect of our lives.
“The saving the Health Service” meme is not supported by the numbers when compared with say a winter season in 2017 when there where 60000 excess winter deaths.
We have passed winter now so, we are comparing 6000 death with 60000 deaths…
The need to save the NHS was not required to save 10 times the numbers???????
Really???
But, it gets better, since
total deaths = died with covid + died because of covid.
The Itallian Healthe service pointed out that actual covid deaths were only 10%.
Sorry, the numbers do not support the “Saving the NHS.” tory strap line…
saving the NHS when it’s doing its best to kill people by refusing on-going treatments, cancelling operations that they think are ‘not essential’ is as much a war crime as blowing up a wedding party in Syria
Oh I don’t believe it. You criticised our ‘fantastic’ NHS.
You will have to clap extra hard next time.
My friends wife will probably die as her op has been cancelled…
As you seem to be good with numbers, could you please look up for me how many flu victims per year typically need to spend between 1o and 23 days on ICU? It doesn’t really matter whether they die of flu or with flu.
I do not need to look it up thanks.
It is YOU who does not know what a person in difficulties from ‘flu requires.
My friends exe’s son ended up in a coma for 3 weeks when He nearly dies from ‘flu.
So, cleary you do not.
Thanks.
Love your reasoning.
Yeah, you should…but you won’t coz you are an idiot.
About 6 inches below your post I mention the number of pneumonia deaths per year in the UK – example was 2012.
I should think quite a few of them spent some time in the old ICU – plus many of those who survived.
That’s your starting point.
Well, no. The scientific consensus is that this is not just like any year. So if you want to claim otherwise, the onus is on you. There’s just too many holes in your story to draw conclusions. You make too many assumptions, all in your favor. You are reasoning towards a conclusion. For instance, you can’t just assume “I should think quite a few of them spent some time in the old ICU”. Because that is one of the important points. Here in Holland the authorities worked with models that assumed people would stay in ICU for 10 days. At some point they changed that to 23 days, probably because the reality worked differently than their model. So please look up how many people were in ICU in 2012 and how long they spent there. And if it’s the same now. And if you can’t find the answer, accept that… Read more »
Well said Mike, finally getting more balance in the discussions here as opposed to the rather paranoid foaming at the mouth by some commenters.
Sure, there’s lots to query and discuss, but lunacy and paranoia are not my cup of tea, except where there’s clear expert evidence of conspiracy existing such as JFK and 911 for example.
But, your cup of tea is plenty of ad hominem attacks.
I do not see many people here agreeing with you Frank you only seem to find support in couple of obvious sock puppets.
“And for all you pseudo-rebellious gullible souls here who think that’s all a lie…”
If you can’t jeep the cheap insults out of it, then shut the fuck up.
So after all your posts here you finally have someone questioning what you say and this is your reaction? I can picture you going through my posts, just to see if there’s anything you can brush me off with easily. Be my guest, it’s your loss. Did you already try to figure out the ICU numbers from 2012 beyond mere guesses?
Nothing wrong with questioning.
I called you out on the insults – “you pseudo-rebellious gullible souls ”
I should think that of the near 30000 who died from pneumonia in the UK in 2012 plenty went to the ICU plus a few survivors.
Why do I think that?
Because, it’s quite common when somebody in hospital is on the point of death from a respiratory disease, to put that person in an ICU in an attempt to save their life.
It was not intended as an insult, but rather as a description of most here. You included. “Well, I’m fucking well going out – so there!”, you said. What’s the worst that can happen to you? A fine? I would love to see how rebellious you are if there’s real danger involved. Like you (or a loved one near you) belonging to a vulnerable demographic in times of a virus. So that’s the ‘pseudo rebellious’ part. And as for gullible… Anybody who uses phrases in a forum to show that they understand the mores is gullible in my book. Fitting in becomes more important than following the facts (or admitting that you don’t have the facts). What is “…covid-19 narrative puveyors [sic]…” even supposed to mean? Were you just trying to fit in? Please tell me what you are trying to prove with your 28952 pneumonia deaths in 2012. Are… Read more »
Lots of valid points and maybe some not so valid. Everything he said may not have been completely ‘watertight’ but that doesn’t mean that everyone watching is a ‘gullible soul’.
Well, as far as I can see, you’re only the second one here to say Wittkowski’s story might not be watertight. The rest is busy propping up their stories with anything that remotely seems to confirm their preconceived notions.
“We must urgently return to the Rule of Law”
https://www.conservativelawyers.com/
a review of the current law relating to the ‘problematic’ lockdown where there appears no legal basis for how the lockdown is being implemented – there’s a downloadable pdf
… and by the very rhetoric of your quote: – what does it mean to you when your own leaders *admit* they must ‘urgently *return* to the *rule of law*’?!…
*not having a pop, bob just playing to the gallery*… 😉
… – debate below… – legalities/lawyers on the run?… – discuss:…
surprisingly, conservative lawyers are NOT my leaders – playing to what gallery??
You sometimes hear the covid-19 narrative puveyors talking about middle-aged People in ICUS etc to try and make their Point. There was a 40 years old in The Telegraph yesterday.
What does the data tell us for pneumonia in the UK?
———————————————–
How old were the people who died from pneumonia in the UK in 2012?
In 2012, of the 28,952 deaths from pneumonia:
▶58 were among those aged 0–14 years of age;
▶1,374 were among those aged 15–64; and
▶27,520 were among those aged 65 and above.
———————————————–
https://statistics.blf.org.uk/pneumonia
So, if 1374 people in the UK between the ages of 15 and 64 died of pneumonia in 2012, then we can assume that some multiple of that figure – say several thousand – needed breathing assistance at some Point – ventilator or ICU, since a good proportion would have survived.
The UK is clearly in the grip of one of their many media generated hysteria moments, when only lies are pushed, we saw it in the Brexit operation.
like the 21 year old lass who died in high wycombe?…
“I didn’t know that about your mother!!…”
For those interested in the relationship between flu vaccinations for seasonal flu and so-called “pandemic” flu,” here is a link to a study performed after the H1N1 “pandemic” in 2009. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2010/04/new-canadian-studies-suggest-seasonal-flu-shot-increased-h1n1-risk “In a lengthy article published today in Public Library of Science Medicine (PLoSMed), researchers detail the results of four supplementary studies that were launched after an April 2009 school outbreak provided the first signal of an association between seasonal flu shots and pandemic flu illness. The studies, which took in about 2,700 people, found overall that the likelihood of needing medical attention for pandemic flu was 1.4 to 2.5 times greater among people who were vaccinated the previous fall… All four studies, the authors say, show that the seasonal flu vaccine was effective in that season, reducing cases of flu needing medical attention. But all four also show an increased risk of illness from pandemic flu among the vaccinated.… Read more »
Jane, I have two elderly aunts in the UK and France who have had very bad reactions to flu shots. My Mother, who now lives in France, refuses to take a flu shot, despite the present scare.
None of what I’m saying is scientific. It’s just personal experience, and that’s about all you can really relate.
Perhaps they’re allergic to aluminium.
According to Professor Wittkowski then, “Social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus” That’s one of the few things I agree with in what he states. Unfortunately, we are back in the revolving door AGAIN, the only way to prove that this alleged virus is ‘infectious’ and that it is the sole cause ‘Covid-19’ symptoms is to isolate it and separate it from all other particles that may look like viruses but are not, take an electron micrograph of the pure particles, determine their size and shape and then prove that the particles are infectious using the necessary controls. Only then can the virus be used as a gold standard of comparison for testing any stretches of RNA obtained from alleged Covid-19 patients that are claimed to come from the alleged genome of this coronavirus . This chap should know that too… Read more »
I would just like to add that when I said that I agreed with the Professor I meant that social distancing and lockdown were the absolutely the worst way to deal with the current problem from a public point of view. He is implying that the airborne respiratory problem is caused by virus I do NOT agree, he just ASSUMES that along with nearly everybody else.
Also, debating the issue on the internet is not the same as debating or discussing the issues face-to-face in a public meeting there are still issues that cannot be raised on the web for obvious reasons.
Are you a medical professional, Tony, or a professional epidemiologist? How do you conclude that this epidemic isn’t caused by a virus?
I have a science and research background for all that’s worth. You will need to read all my other posts and watch the videos I have posted on all the other threads on this website for the full details. Then make up your own mind. Suffice to say, so far there are no scientists who are willing to put their names to any original scientific paper or papers that claim to have isolated pure virus particles and proved that this alleged coronavirus is the cause of Covid-19 syndrome. Everything else is absolutely dependent on that, and failure on the part of the authorities to make that information and proof available for scientific scrutiny means that there is a cover-up and the public are being deceived. Epidemiology insofar as it involves official statistics and alternative statistics is unreliable if what I have stated is correct as there is no way of… Read more »
Descriptions of the disease tend inexplicably to go back and forth between droplet and air (aerosol) transmission. Can it be both?
Non,
It goes back an forth based on their observation of patients with different symptoms that resemble those of what they have designated as Covid-19.
So-called ‘droplet infection’ and ‘aerosol’ transmission are similar in that if you sneeze or cough the alleged virus particles go into the air! That is how they imagine the alleged virus spreads and is contagious without proof that the virus actually exists or that the patient ever contracted their symptoms that way from any virus in the first place! Even if there is some other antigenic material in the droplets or being produced from inside the body itself due to other factors they will ignore that and still say its the virus.
Research now says that 6ft not nearly effective enough! I have seen different distances suggested (one up to 39 feet) but this article suggests a minimum of 20 feet outdoors. Fine in the US but not sure how workable in the UK. 😀
Anyone else see a total lockdown coming?
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/04/6-feet-of-social-distancing-not-nearly-enough-cdcs-recommendation-driving-some-experts-nuts.html
Hi Judy, Excuse the language but now I really think they are taking the piss to measure our compliance/obedience to this lockdown. Everybody is so overwhelmed with the virus propaganda they forget that it could be an airborne toxin that has nothing to do with an alleged virus or as many others are suggesting it could just be the usual seasonal colds and flu-like symptoms dressed up as Covid-19 including cases of pneumonia -especially in the elderly. Diseases can also be spread by the use of new EM energy weapons nobody would at first notice the difference. I also forgot to mention that climatic changes are also linked with electromagnetic changes. The chemistry that constitutes our physical body is electromagnetic and chemistry at base level is all about electrical charges and charge distributions. If that’s disrupted in a deleterious way either from the inside or from outside we can become… Read more »
If you look at this report, last page, you see that the pcr + rate of ‘Covid19’ has gone up. That at least assumes to me that we are witnessing some sort of infection.
https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-04/COVID-19_WebSite_rapport_20200408_1036%20%281%29.pdf
I agree that the measures imposed to prevent infection are draconian
Newspeak: Social Distancing.
Correctspeak: Public Distancing.
Object: Distrust and fear strangers and neighbours.
wind yourself up in plastic sheet,… *DO NOT* approach *within 6 feet* of another prole… *LAY DOWN* in your grave…. – (be a good little citizen, yeah?…)
Yes Roberto,
Paranoia is beginning to manifest in some people along with agoraphobia, the longer this scam goes on, other forms of psychopathology will surface too such as depression. Fear of the known and the unknown can add to the problem and increase any stress and anxiety that may arise from the isolation, frustration and confinement regime.
I think you need to give them some slack. When you have a new infectious agent, of course they cannot prove everything straight away. That is just cold hard medical and scientific reality.
So think like a parent for a moment: if you could not quantify how dangerous something might be for your kid, would you say Yes or No?
Well said Rhys, nice to see a voice of reason.
It’s not new, it’s just a variation. And kids aren’t at any risk out of the ordinary, i.e. near zero, and they have a major role in developing herd immunity. That’s one of the themes of the interviewee, and many others who know about such things but aren’t listened to.
Also, ‘flattening the curve’ is a euphemism for making the outbreak last longer, yet having as many fatalities, delaying immunity, and virtually ensuring a secondary outbreak occurs later in the year.
Meanwhile, we have bureaucrats and minor local politicians deciding which businesses and services are essential or non-essential, ostensibly without bias. /S.
Hi Rhys, I think that you know by now full-well where I’m coming from on this issue. The problem is Rhys, with a matter as serious as the one that has been foisted upon us and which we now have to face, there is not much time left for diplomacy and cutting slack. People whether they like it or not have to be told the truth and then make up their own minds while they still can. Unfortunately, the odds are stacked against them from doing just that in the face of the outrageous propaganda and ‘contagion’ idiocy which they keep associating or correlating with an alleged deadly ‘coronavirus’, without any concrete scientific proof of that. All other potential causes are being deliberately and blatantly EXCLUDED by the authorities. I notice that you cautiously used the term ‘infectious agent’. Well, I can go along with you on that one, except… Read more »
A former Colorado State Patrol trooper, was handcuffed in front of his 6-year old daughter on a near-empty softball field Sunday near Brighton Beach in Brooklyn NY. Police officers were enforcing social distancing rules. The department was forced to apologize on Tuesday afternoon, calling the incident an overreach by our police officers. “Matt Mooney, on Sunday walked with his wife and daughter from their home to a nearby park to play softball. ‘We’re just having a good time, not near anybody else. The next closest person is at least 15 feet away from me and my daughter at this point.” Police arrived soon after, and told him and others in the area to leave because the park is closed. Mooney, said he told the officers he was familiar with the posted rules and believed he and his family were in compliance and practicing proper social distancing. He said he refused… Read more »
Excellent post Charlotte. Thankyou.
“ Sweden, is not practicing “draconian social distancing”
Sweden remains the country that one can be jealous of not to live there.
Sweden was getting a lot of attention from the US far right media over the past few years, to make them hate their immigrants. I assumed it was the US trying to drive them to the far-right, so they could be made to join nato or become part of an extended 5 eyes program, given their important position on the Baltic.
Sweden is already far Right, and the ‘socialists’ have been reduced to a rump of Identity Politics feminazi man-haters, with the lynching of Julian Assange the perfect illustration of the nexus between the two tendencies.
Thanks
Yes, this panicdemic is certainly bring out the little Hitlers. On the Grun bat flu live feed there’s a picture of park benches on Clapham Common being taped up by Lambeth Council. Their reasoning: “to encourage exercise use and to discourage loitering”. Scumbags!
Every disgruntled frustrated bureaucrat is seizing the moment to flex their muscles.
Along with the legions of blue haired old shoppers lining up at the still open markets screaming at the more apathetic also on line to stay out of her “safe space”. My mind boggles at the thought of an old woman’s safe space?
Perhaps they are also encouraging heart attacks of pensioners who need a little sit down during their walking exercise?
Culling the herd, the ‘common herd’.
Excellent post , unfortunately it will get a lot worse as people begin to realise they have been conned yet again and begin to react adversely to these armed thugs in uniform. Suicide by cop rates will skyrocket .
When the dust settles a panic pandemic resulting in unnecessary lockdowns could lead to mass pandemonium……
Soooo the oil companies need $50 a barrel to cover running costs, it is getting $20 now due to the Covid 19 Pandemic. Step up, an expert who is funded by the Rockafella conglomerate, who says contrary to all available evidence (South Korea vs USA for example) that we need to get up close and personal, sharing our air Born, highly contagious and deadly viral infection now, not limit deaths until a vaccine can be secured. Here in the UK that herd immunity approach would claim 250,000 lives. He can go out and about if he wishes, lick a few bus stops if it pleases him to become a statistic 🙂
So, he is currently funded by the Rokefellers? How do you know this?
Who are you funded by?
Really? The approach he suggested wherein old and vulnerable people should be isolated whilst the rest of the healthy population carry on as normal ?
Look up the institute on the link.
Last time I checked, the word ‘was’ denotes something that occurred in the past.
He is currently currently the CEO of ASDERA LLC, which is a company discovering novel treatments for complex diseases from data of genome-wide association studies.
I can not seem to find any details of where this company gets its funding.
What’s more important? A few million ‘useless eaters’ or billions in profits?
hey guys an gals, don’chall know?!: – biotech is godzilla
before you downvote my ass, understand: – the mighty sep’ wrote this in response to the rio earth summit ’92 – shit’s been going on for *a long while* – go read up… – and ‘coz i’m currently *pissed* and can’t resist:…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiwqRSCWw2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_6IjeprfEs
…best switch on adblock, tho’….
😉
Perhaps the most ludicrous aspect of the mainstream narrative is the assumption that the government would close down a large part of the economy to save the lives of people, who in the future will overwhelmingly be net recipients of resouces rather than contributors.
… – not unless they wanted a wholesale reset for the *gambling class*…
… – yeah i know, it *is* ludicrous, but seriously, click, you just have to *believe*…
😉
This really is getting beyond a joke now. Headline in The Telegraph:
Cardboard coffins and bodies line streets of Ecuador in ominous warning to rest of Latin America
(In Ecuador there are just under 4000 cases (but 6000 suspected!) and 220 deaths).
And this from the BBC:
Coronavirus: NHS heroes ‘are like WW2 Spitfire pilots’
I don’t bloody think so!
… – less than a fortnight ago, spain tells citizens to *’hibernate’* (- what’re we ,*squirrels*, now?… – i shit you *not*…)
https://english.elpais.com/politics/2020-03-29/cabinet-agrees-to-hibernate-spanish-economy-in-bid-to-avoid-overload-of-hospitals.html
Aestivate, surely.
Alan insanity takes many forms. The BBC are filth and anyone who gives them money needs to see a “health expert”.
What is an ‘NHS hero’
A person who is doing his or her job. Why call that heroic? – because otherwise it would become obviously clear that the politicians, the journalists and the muckymuck experts are not doing their job?
I think it’s been carefully formulated to prevent noncompliance. They say “stay in to protect the NHS”. The narrative is all about a much loved institution not government legislation. So we can expect the narrative to be often reinforced with a mix of threats of overloading the NHS and tales of heroism.
This.
Listening to the eye-witness reports of frontline doctors, nurses and support staff – and considering the number who’ve already died or had bad bouts of flu, I’d say heroes is a good description.
Would you volunteer to do what they’re doing, out of courage and principle, without adequate protection because of the crimes of the damned gangster-capitalists and their political stooges? Would you?
Whatever’s really going on with the hidden agendas of the gics – the gangsters-in-charge – the behaviour of the medics and support workers deserves our profound gratitude and respect. Heroes is right.
It is not a question if you want to know.
I do it.
But I do not consider it as heroism, because the chances of getting severe infection due to COVID19 for a young and healthy person is close to 0
A person obeying his masters orders is patted on the head and called a hero these days a necessary step in perpetuating the panic-demic.
The word ‘hero’ has been hijacked by a large number of causes, campaigns and the MSM to describe just about anybody doing something a little out of the ordinary, and in many cases nothing out of the ordinary. The Spitfire pilots were heros. Anything less than that and it’s not a hero.
If anyone’s a hero, it’s care home staff who earn so little that self isolating on 80% wages is not an option.
The media really is going overboard on the WWII analogies. They had Monty Don calling Daily Mail readers to ‘Dig for Victory’ ffs.
It really is pathetically stage managed.
Sweden’s 2016-17 seasonal flu death number was 713 ,whereas its coronavirus death number is currently 591, with almost no lockdown. Same ballpark, though this remains could change. See table 17 on p44 at https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/contentassets/b5f8b9e9e0654de38d557b4a55d19496/influenza-in-sweden-2016-2017.pdf
There 2016-17 Case Fatality Rate was 713/12,417 = 5.7%. Though this doesn’t mean much as the data on the number of infected needs to be estimated.
Out of interest, what is seasonal flu deaths + Coronavirus deaths?
And what is total deaths from all causes??
These were the 2016-17 figures, so did not have any coronavirus component (presumably). So the total figure of 713 deaths would have been from all Influenza Like Illnesses (ILI). They say that the predominant virus in that season was influenza A.
Great video. After exposing the scam that has been pulled on us by the US/UK controlled media, and our own puppet governments, I doubt that the press will recover any credibility in the minds of many important people any time soon. The media by being such a tool of the liars have given another victory to the far-right, who have been at war with what remains of the genuine press for a decade.
If we recorded and reported ‘rhinovirus deaths’ the way we are recording and reporting ‘corona deaths’ what proportion of overall deaths would be reported as ‘rhinovirus deaths’?
Endorsed by Richard Epstein of the Hoover Institute:
“Adding those two elements into the mix led me to suggest that the estimates generated by the standard model would turn out to be far too high, perhaps by an order of magnitude. I have recently come across this extraordinary interview by Professor Knut Wittkowski, an epidemiologist which states in powerful form why the current policies of social distancing will prolong but not eliminate the disease.”
https://www.hoover.org/research/coronavirus-perspective-revised
Epstein, an ultra-rightist, became a laughing-stock after being twisted into a pretzel in a New Yorker Magazine interview:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-contrarian-coronavirus-theory-that-informed-the-trump-administration
Basically, he, like the Off-Guardian editors, is anxious to see the capitalist system functioning at full capacity right now, whatever the consequences to our well-being.
You are so out of touch Louis, it’s tragic. Why do you and certain other Leftists seem to think this naked fascist rollout, compromised of the biggest destruction of civil liberties in modern times, is some kind of prelude to world socialism? Why do you think Mr Gates is going to lock us all in our homes and then hand over his power and wealth to some sort of autonomous collective of the housebound? And why are you so constipated by dogma you think everything, including basic science, is superseded by the perceived political beliefs of those uttering the words? Do you even think at all anymore, or just respond like Pavlov’s salivating dogs to a series of stimuli that no longer have any meaning? If our well-being truly concerns you then worry about the millions facing real deprivation in ‘response’ to a virus that the official sources admit to… Read more »
I find it very odd that the faux liberals, who have been complaining of a fascist takeover by the likes of Trump and Johnson, suddenly accept soft martial law and believe these policies are for the best in the long run.
Because they’re all lobotomised by identity politics and are as fake as a Hong Kong rolex.
All running round screeching about fecken Trump, yet a number of people I know have welcomed this blatant fascism literally with open arms.
Its stomach churning… the blindness and subservience and hypocrisy of these alleged ‘anti establishment’ idiots.
I went and had a look at Amy Goodmans little project Democracy Now yesterday morning and it was worse than the fecken MSM.
The sort of site Mr Proyect would feel most at home at. Fakes everywhere.
Sections of the socialist left in Australia are demanding that the country move from a ‘mitigation’ model to a ‘suppression’ model, i.e., everything shut down apart from absolutely essential activities such as medical services, food provision and a few other things. Wouldn’t that hand more power to the capitalist state?
la gauche est morte – join les gilets, dude…
Ah non, mon brave! La vraie gauche est sou terre.
Il ressuscitera. Il n’est pas possible de la tuer.
… – better throw on a yellow vest, then…
They are as stupid as is imaginable. The Bosses are going to use this crisis to destroy workplace conditions, superannuation, environmental regulation etc, and funnel money to the rich, while inflicting vicious austerity on the plebs to pay off the debt. Meanwhile, unnoticed, the Great Barrier Reef has bleached for the third time in the last five years, and the most widespread such event recorded. The entire global human system is collapsing, and it’s NOT some ‘cycle’. This is a one-way trip for millennia.
Indeed, the people will finish up paying the bill (economically and in terms of loss of civil liberties) unless they unite and resist.
…and the environment will lose, of course, unless…
It’s ridiculous, it’s absurd, it’s like everything is back to front – some right wing conservatives calling this out for what it is, and large chunks of the purported ‘socialist left’ jumping up and down like a 4 year old having a tantrum yelling ‘lock us up, lock us up, keep a safe distance’!!
As I mentioned to you, maybe 2 weeks ago (so many comments and articles and video clips recently, I barely know what week this is!)…. that what we are witnessing is to a very large degree the result of anti class, narcissistic identity politics. Me. Me. Me.
Have a good day CM😁
Identity politics indeed, GP. For some on the left, it almost obliterates thought about three million in poverty, the huge rise in casualised employment, reductions in working conditions, loss of entire industries (motor vehicles), non-payment of tax by 600-700 corporations, the decline in membership and power of (often poorly-led) unions….all these issues are linked.
PS: There’s a petition advocating full access to social security for Kiwis
doing the rounds.
Take care. CM.
Thanks CM.., you too… enjoy your evening. Currently listening to some instrumental music by a band called Ulaan Passerine. Very moody.
Was going to take a break from commenting for 4-5 days, and just chill out for a bit.
I’ve seen up close from my personal experience how a lot of these young Left hipster types treat those they deem inferior – with complete contempt.
I’ve seen them walk past homeless people on the way to their trendy cafes, and not even blink, they pretend those homeless people aren’t even there.
Yet they screech about pronouns. Or marriage. Or anything that Doesn’t challenge such an unjust exploitative system.
Its so warped, and many times has left me swearing under my breath at the sheer hypocrisy.
I had a look at ABC headlines on my phone earlier, and just turned it off.
Have a good Easter mate✌️
GP, in my inner suburb’s shopping area, there are always people begging. I give them something more often than not (you learn to distinguish between the genuinely needy (a big majority) and the few who may be ‘trying it on’). You simply can’t turn away from someone who claims to be a domestic violence victim and looks like it.
“…fake as a Hong Kong rolex…”
… – this is why i *insist* on *nothing less* than a patek phillipe… – if i’m getting bribed for my consent in a psyop i wanna know what i’m worth, dammit!…
… – rolex?!… – fucking pikers…
Mines a Patek philipino’.
Its quite simple. These faux liberals as you describe them really are not liberal, its rather their reflection of an illusion of being one. They have no idea what they truly are. Perhaps they will find themselves in this decade. Perhaps not. When your rather poorly educated, perhaps that’s a bit strong, lets say poorly read, been lied to and made believe that your in a democracy of a two party system, well what did you expect these tree huger’s to act like? They will believe almost anything they are fed because they can not think or reason anything out for themselves. Perhaps they may start now. This pandemic is a good false trait to bet against. By the time they even come close it will be too late. I know this is a bit far off but when we were growing up we rode our bikes with out helmets… Read more »
“…Imbeciles like Mr.Trudeau, Mr.Macron, Mr. Johnson…”
uhh… bankster… bankster… and… *yep*!…. um, bankster…
… – is *the pattern* becoming clear to you *yet*?…
Justin Trudeau was not a banker but a substitute secondary-school drama teacher born into the right family, with the right looks.
justin trudeau = goldman sachs
… – *oh yeah*… 😉
I doubt Mr,Trudeau is one but hes starting to figure out what one is. Perhaps there is some hope in this one, the others definitely not.
Sign of what terror for personal safety can do to the invertebrates amongst us, Cic. Run to mummy and demand that everyone be told to sit still and shut up.
The faux liberals are in fact neo-Bolsheviks. They’ve been busy working on the new totalitarian global state for years.
God damn i hate agreeing with the fuzz (authorities) but your right admin, this is opening the doors to a shit storm of neo-liberal pseudo-socialism, the kind that sees the corporate elite getting even richer and everyone else even poorer, more laws, rules & regulations for us & more freedoms for them to exploit & oppress us facilitated by the mentally deranged liberal leftists.
This isn’t going to end well for anyone that isn’t already a billionaire. There’s going to be more mechanization, more AI, more surveillance, more controls over digital money etc etc. If this wasn’t a conspiracy to introduce the aforementioned they will certainly exp0loit the situation as the perfect opportunity to do introduce them.
^- concern troll…
🙂
Yes i’ve noticed all your posts! Pot, kettle!
It”s enough for Louis to show that A was quoted by B whose father C once went boozing with a fascist, to completely sink A.
george, i’d be fascinated to compile a compendium of louis proyect’s logical fallacies,… – maybe they could sit on a bookstand in ‘wh smith’s at paddington to puzzle travellers on long distance journeys?… – *personally* i’d like to steal the patent to his weird brainwaves and, like that lab tec, with the *really hot* cup of tea, in another galaxy, long, long, ago… – posit the creation of the *infinite improbability* drive… – then we might at least have something *useful* out of the damn bastard…
Thank you for this. I second every single word you say. When I was out selling the mag, I found out just how genuine the identity politics addled ‘leftists’ really were in regards to the poor or homeless. Zero. Nada. Nix.
Complete fakes. Like Louis.
… – gezzah, don’t give up the fight, and *most importantly*:…
aka: – they’re fuckin’ *losing*, – keep the faith, g…
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Thanks Sgt…. No, have no intention of giving up the fight. If I was a dog, think of me as a stubborn little Staffy Pit Bull!
Appreciate the music clip as well, cheers.
Louis a leftist? You are joking, aren’t you, Admin?
He;s a wannabe jihadist toy-boy.
@A1 >>> i firkin’ loved that gentle rant, Guv, i swear … 4all,
*** HUMANITY *** 🙂
I don’t claim to be a leftist, socialist or liberal. Then again I also don’t claim to be a capitalist, conservative or globalist.
IME, the current policies will cause mass social, political and economic disaster.
I don’t need an ideology to form that view.
You utter moron, while you’re locked down and washing your hands all day, the financial world is about to detonate. There is hell coming your way. Don’t you ignorant curtain-twitching snitches care about nothing but petty point-scoring? Grow the fuck up.
an *epstein*, eh?…
… – a relative?…
😉
X is a fascist. X likes chocolate. Therefore chocolate is bad.
This would appear to be your logic.
X is a *kiddy-fiddler*. X likes *small children*. Therefore *small children* is bad.
This would appear to be your logic.
… – who is mr X.?… – prince randy pandy?…
louis, Louis, LOUIS?/LOUISE? WTF, man o-man, man have they got you by the balls or or, is it early onset of Alzheimers and you don’t know who Dilyana Gaytandzhieva is, any more?
WAR ON TERROR, louis Louis LOUIS, phoney phoney phoney war on terror,
drink hot chocolate, ask Errol Brown, WTC7 > controlled demolition “I believe in miracles”,
till you came along LouisP, psssss-issssssofff with your imagination & principally failed scientific fake-logic, tied with yellow ribbons round an old oak tree, burnt down after a lightening strike . . .
Extremely acrid, Louis >>> living WTC7 lies ! ?
Denying Scientific Reality !
Now for the good news: just as you have Sweden and Belarus in Europe, not every US state is chugging the DC Koolaide: https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/04/07/were-not-new-york-several-u-s-states-have-yet-to-issue-stay-at-home-orders/
BTW, 21stcenturywire.com has been pretty solid on the #CoronaHoax issue, as have Vanessa Beeley and Eva Karene Bartlett.
We live in Wyoming, our State has not gone on lockdown yet. we can still go to the store or take the dogs out. Some folks stop and say hello, others go off the path and give you a swerve. Plus last I checked , our infected numbers are not very high.
‘It’s better to die standing than to live on your knees’ – Belarus leader on coronavirus https://news.yahoo.com/better-die-standing-live-knees-095603687.html
“I would rather die standing than live on my knees! It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees! I prefer to die standing than to live forever kneeling.”
– Emiliano Zapata.
– *fuckin dude*…
Who would have thunk that a communist totalitarian is espousing freedom whilst our so called democratic states are locking us all up?!
BBC radio 4 let slip, just now that the hospitals in Coventry are not full, ”they expect it to get worse’.’ really do you?
if you want quiet times silence a monk like zen
a quiet place to ponder life and death
read a book about human farming and pharma books like murder by injection by eustace mullins
go to a uk hospital
it’s ohhh so quiet schhh schhh it’s all so vague schhh schhh your all alone
so peaceful within
All the panic fuel videos are like that. “Things are quiet now, but an AVALANCHE of patients are soon to arrive”. So many videos where CHAOS is around the corner but not just yet. Somehow this is proof of a pandemic instead of proof of bad projections.
for some reason, *funnily enough*, i cannot find a youtube clip for this *anywhere*…
… – i guess tha’s jus’ how it is in ma po’ simple world…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/09/coventry-blitz-hitler-munich
ymmv… 😉
Stand back, world!
The US Surgeon General has just declared this emergency to be a “Pearl Harbor, 9/11 moment.”
Another false flag then?
HOW LONG WILL THE HOUSE ARREST LAST?
It will last long enough to take the biggest number of small & medium size business to the edge of bankruptcy, but not so long that they start to dissolve their businesses and their assets. It will be the optimal moment for the biggest number of fire-sale purchases by the largest corporations in the US. All made possible by the massive unlimited loans given to their largest corporations by taxpayers.
The Viceroys of the UK and France are just providing cover for the real heist going on in the USA, yes that’s how irreverent we really are. After this expect a new surveillance / martial law program, which is the gift to the military/surveillance state, after the Corporate elite has stolen their booty.
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Duh – thats supposed to display the graph – can you correct it please?
Is there some code i’m missing?
If you stop testing for the common cold and the flu season ends, like in China, then the crisis will end.
If people stop dying at home or in icu because of it then yes it will end.
I said last week that the inflexion point of new cases (at hospitals) was close – that will now reflect in the topping out if daily deaths which will then follow the down trend of Wuhan – once we relax the lockdown without implementing the south korean type stategy – the cases will increase again.
I allowed to run its course like every other year, it will be over in weeks.
The Chinese data just makes no sense what so ever, a country of nearly 3 billion people, all living in each others pockets has a lower death rate than Germany? Nah.
And why do we hear nothing about Africa? Some of the poorest countries in the world seem hardly effected. Though of course African countries have a significantly higher population of young people than old.
The African’s are tough cookies ! They are constantly having to fight off far worse diseases than the Flu. They have all the hemorrhagic fevers and ebola etc – the diseases that have actual high death rates and will kill you in a very painful manner !
Most still eat real, non-processed food too, and have healthy immune systems as a result. Much like SE Asia, S America and China.
sorry 1.4 billion
Sorry, hadn’t realised your correction. Edits would be nice.
China’s population is around 1.4 billion ? African stats are sketchy because starvation, AIDS ,
malaria, and diphtheria trumps Coronavirus as an everyday cause of death across that continent .
So what you’re saying is people with cv19 die of other causes?
1.4 billion. Not even China is that populous.
It’s much harder to catch flu in warmer weather when most people are outside, doors and windows open etc. Our lockdown in spring is illogical.
The lockdown is illogical full stop. Its harmful to the most vulnerable, has very serious impact on quality of life for the terminally ill & elderly, destroys the economy for generations to come & will drag out the outbreak with numerous future mini outbreaks. Not to mention all the unrelated deaths due to negligent health care.
Nature and our own immune systems would have controlled & conquered this much quicker had natural process been allowed to do its job & i very much doubt the death rate would have been much higher maybe even lower as it would have quickly burnt itself out.
What makes you think the all Chinese are living like that?
African countries generally don’t have developed public health infrastructure and systems – where they do such as South Africa they are doing their cutting edge science too!
Err how many Chinese live in cities? Ever been to London? Ever been to New York? The Chinese have advanced with civilization to , they don’t all live in paddy fields. And if there’s 1.4 billion of them with much of the country unsuitable for large scale habitation and with most of the population involved in industry, so yes i made some assumptions ones i think are justified.
Exactly so you would expect a much higher death rate., i presume African countries still record deaths & bury people like every other civilized nation, its been along time since all Africans lived in mud huts with straw roofs (thou i know many still live in relative poverty).
http://com.ft.imagepublish.upp-prod-eu.s3.amazonaws.com/d434e92a-791e-11ea-af44-daa3def9ae03
looks interesting will watch it later.
this guy did spend most of his life working for the rokerfella foundations
whatever way you spell it for over a hundred years those families and those foundations have culled 100s of millions of men woman and children.
this chap took the shilling for dccades from one of the main belly of the beast systems
Well, perhaps that gives him an insight, wouldn’t you say?
Nothings beats actually watching the video and thinking about and discussing the content – judging it on ist merits.
he did talk of the aids scam like it was real apart from that it was very good.
you should calm down you sound emotional that is not good for keeping the virus at bay
gates does not want herd immunity
herd immunity means no need for billion dollar vaccine
this guy is off script and off the reservation
god bless him
Did you notice Knut pause when he was asked if we need a vaccine? Perhaps it he was just forming his response or maybe he was stopping himself from outright saying “we absolutely do not”
Gates has nerd immunity.
OT:The NYT is now engaged in damage control. According to them, the reason why our hospitals are only half-full is because people have decided to stop having hearth attacks!
😀 😀 😀
Obviously, the MSM are now aware of stuff like this website and #FilmYourHospital.
We were promised a New Black Death and all we got was the flu!
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/well/live/coronavirus-doctors-hospitals-emergency-care-heart-attack-stroke.html
Every cloud has a silver lining. This “virus” “causes” respiratory disease, but cures heart disease!
You win some; you lose some. Hey you wanna live forever?
They tried to silence FilmYourHospital in the UK as they arrested a guy doing it and put him away for 12 weeks !! Longer than most real criminals get !! They charged him with causing a public nuisance and breaking the lockdown. He pleaded guilty when he should have argued the case. But it was obvious they were making an example of him !
Another excellent post offg, thank you. Think I might try this again. The issue is not a virus. I do not doubt it is real. But the issue is not a virus, it is fear. This virus is completely invisible to our senses. We cannot see it, hear it, smell it, taste it or feel it. This is the central problem. We can have no personal experience of it as we might a large, snarly animal with big teeth. We cannot size up the threat for ourselves. We are completely at the mercy of the narrative. All we know about the virus is what we are told about it by “experts” – whose opinions and perspectives differ. In this case the narrative is out of control. Governments with few exceptions have panicked, fearing the wrath of the populace if nothing is done. Some otherwise intelligent people then go on to… Read more »
It’s not really safe to be sitting around in your underpants during the lockdown, though, is it?
Proof, you demand?
https://tyronetribulations.com/2020/03/28/ballygawley-man-told-to-put-some-trousers-on-ffs/
This video is for you.
I was out front in my jammy’s this morning trying on my new (not) boots on that postie delivered… may have had a neighbour reaching for the phone for a wagon.
Governments with few exceptions have panicked, fearing the wrath of the populace if nothing is done.
sure, they only want what’s best for you.
Kissinger’s ghost still haunts the world.
— and writes editorials for the Wall Street Journal.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-coronavirus-pandemic-will-forever-alter-the-world-order-11585953005
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/485127-kissinger-new-order-defeat-coronavirus/
the essence of pure benevolence, that ghost is.
Kissingers ghost.
He ain’t dead yet.
Maybe he was always an undead👻
Sounds like the type of left-brain new-age thinking that so many have been entrained into over the years. A modern day version of the three wise monkeys. “Don’t worry about the marauding army two valleys away, can you see them? Are they impinging on you right at this minute? So relax…”. These people (who follow certain spiritual disciplines) who want to say it’s all an illusion still look both ways when crossing the road – why is that, why are you afraid of being hit by a car if you don’t identify with the body? You say that “none of the fear narratives running through your head is real”, well that may be true but the things you mention are having real effects on real people and logic would suggest the effects are only going to get worse. You clearly need to balance spiritual belief and practices with engaging in… Read more »
Thanks Vivian J. My thoughts exactly.
I think that you are very naive to think that all of this coordinated action is uncoordinated.
Populations are manipulated to “demand” what the government want them to demand it is called the Hegallian dialect.
Some of us have studied the proclaimations of the globalist round table groups who make no secret of their machinations…
This and more….
So, please, with the greatest of respect what you say is actually quite laughable…
Well said, John. The cure for the terror is courage, with two-pennorth of gumption, lots of laughter, fresh air and sunlight in the woods and fields – and a couple of kilograms of vitamin C, just in case… 🙂
Funny – that’s exactly what my postman delivered today – the 2kg of vitamin C that is. The fresh air, sunlight etc were a free bonus.
1. European Respiratory Journal.
https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/41/2/474
2. Death certificates, no problem. Accuracy…..errrr (Houston we have a problem)
Excellent
Was she wearing her stethoscope in that?
Gosh I wouldn’t have known she was a doctor without her white coat as well.
Here you go:
https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/41/2/474
Influenza vaccine-induced interstitial lung disease
Can anyone suggest how the death from Coronovirus of 14 TFL workers fits into this narrative?
Wheres your evidence 14 TFL workers have died FROM the covid19 narrative?
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-fourteen-transport-workers-die-in-london-after-contracting-covid-19-11970283
If you reply by suggesting that it’s not true because it’s Sky or that Sadiq Khan is not telling the truth or is one of David Icke’s green reptiles that won’t take us far. Assuming that it is true I am genuinely interested in how that fits into the narrative.
The question is: are these 14 transport workers typical of an epidemic that is sweepeing the country on the scale given us by the media – assuming that they died of a corona virus.
The ONS figures show no excess mortality for the first quarter. Any excess mortality in the latest week is thus – necessarily – at least cancelled out by excess mortality in previous years for other weeks.
The logically inevitable conclusion is that whatever is currently happening is not producing an excess mortality than is greater than the excess mortality produced in other years – at other times – ie it is nothing out of the ordinary.
“Arithmetic always trumps narrative” – Rick Rule
The media – and politicians – like giving us lots of narrative, like this anecdote, but are very cagey about giving us arithmetic.
or evidence
It would be useful to know what the death rate for TFL drivers has been in previous periods.
Sure!
Even if there had been, for whatever reason, a spike amongst TFL deaths, aggregate mortality figures would imply that it would have been at least counterbalanced elsewhere, implying perhaps something about the TFL environment.
Anecdotes can be helpful about tipping us off to local causes of death, but an epidemic, to be taken seriously, must leave a visible impact on aggregate all-cause mortality.
You made need to make a few phone calls for that information. I can’t see that such a specific number would be widely available on the net.
I don’t know. It is difficult to obtain figures for specific categories of workers. A study from 2015 claims that 9,500 people die in London each year from air pollution. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/nearly-9500-people-die-each-year-in-london-because-of-air-pollution-study. I would suggest that many transport workers must take time off work for colds and flu each year. Normally, they would probably stay at home and wait till they felt better. Since statistics show that 32,000 people in the UK die from flu or pneumonia each year, some might take a turn for the worse or even die. In the present situation, when you think you have caught something equivalent to the black death, you are going to dose yourself up with anti-virals and fever-reducing medicine and worry yourself sick. Then you might end up in hospital with a tube stuck down your throat. One has the impression that all the odds at the moment are against a favourable… Read more »
I fully agree. In the absence of figures showing how many TFL staff typically die of the flu every year, knowing that 14 have died of – or was it with? – the coronavirus is meaningless.
So due process has been carried out to establish cause of death?
I’m afraid i am going to say I don’t trust a word that comes from anything evenly remotely connected to Murdoch & if that’s your go to place for facts well keep wearing the tin foil hat.
No it’s my go to place for anything, but the info was from Sadiq Khan. Where’s your go to place for info? You seem to display a distinct lack of curiosity in this – a bit like the other commenters who gave me a thumbs down for asking a question.
You should never base your opinion on those of others in the first place, but try to find the data, in this instance epidemiological and biological, and make up your own mind. (The official data itself may not be correct, but its the best we have, and policies should normally be based on such data). This official data is freely available on the internet. Now, the policies are being justified in the name of science. Hence a politician is certainly not the best source. So the next step is to read what the researchers in the relevant fields are saying, preferably through their own writings or direct interviews. Given beforehand you’ve done your own homework about the data, this review of what researchers are saying can help to enlighten you on 1) which researcher is actually being unscientific, i.e. coming to conclusions which do not follow from the data. Hence… Read more »
I didn’t base my opinion on anything. I asked a question. Sadiq Kahn is London Mayor, responsible for transport, Google him or better duck-duck him.
Niether I nor the wife know of anyone who has this ‘fearful’ pandemic. None, not one, zero, nada…She knows a LOT of people… So, let’s forget about ‘anecodotal evidence’ and discuss hard facts… 6000 died with covid that includes those who did not die because of covid ie they had it when they died but it played no part in their demise. The Italians warned that these actual covid deaths could be as low 10% of the stated deaths. The UK figure looks like that too total deaths quoted = Deaths with covid + Deaths because of covid. applying the Italian figures, only say 600 actually died FROM covid. Compare that to say a bad Winter like 2017 when there were 60000 excess deaths how can the actions of the government be justified… It leaves only one conclusion…a hoax and a con, another WMD. The lockdown is just an evil… Read more »
VMD = virus of mass destruction. Ring any bells?
How could I ever forget.
I have studied world conspiracy since.
That search for the truth led me to Christ.
Boom boom.
Sorry but that was amusing. You quite rightly eschew anecdotal evidence but then tell us your wife doesn’t know anyone with the virus.
The point I was making is that we all have anecdatal evidence and lets get down to hard facts…
You knew what I meant of course but instead of addressing those facts you come up with some little silly contrived non sequitur, grow up you child, you fool nor impress no one.
The thing is there aren’t many hard facts concerning the 14 who died. That’s why I posed the question. As my old pappy told me years ago – once a person starts on the ad-hom stuff he has lost his credibility.
I think that’s your problem, your sources, as snow commented below do your own leg work, read the various articles here many commentators have provided links to sources of good science based critic of the handling of this pandemic.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist advocate I want to see facts properly presented to facilitate my own thinking. I’m not a scientist or in anyway expert in medicine or infectious disease just a layman so like many others i don’t necessarily look for heavy data sets to do my own science.
But you don’t have to be a scientist to form your own opinion & we all have a right to our own opinions, experts can advise but they should never force you to accept their narrative. Science never asserts certainty on anything & that’s whats wrong with a lot of “scientific expert” professional advice today.
Thanks for the lecture Objective.
If you act like a dependent (i’m being diplomatic) expect to be treated like one.
Your responses reveal a lot about yourself. I wonder if you will ever be wise enough to understand what.
I have been commenting on Off-G for a number of years. I raised some points about what I had seen as someone who works in A&E. The editorial response was very heavy-handed (presumably because it does not fit with the polarised furrow Off-G is plowing) – prove it, what are your credentials, etc. Now this implies I’m either a Walter Mitty character (others can draw their conclusions about this from my commenting history) or it may be that Off-G rather like the Guardian has closed its mind to stories that do not fit with their preferred narrative. A more proportionate response might have been something like the views of this commentator cannot be officially verified so readers will have to use discretion before drawing any conclusions from what has been said (ie a civilised, grown up response). As an aside I doubt if Off-G would have taken the same line… Read more »
Hi Harry, I have addressed these things in other posts. Here and Here. You haven’t responded. If you’re unwilling to maintain a dialogue with us, I think it’s pretty disingenuous to post rants like this. Let’s move past this? I think there are more important things on the agenda.
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I haven’t seen them – I’ve been at work (in A&E).
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to reply I will take a look at what you have said.
I hadn’t picked up on them before because the long threads become a bit unwieldy (this is not a criticism, just that it takes ages scrolling through hundreds of responses).
BTW – the above comment not a ‘rant’, just a brief summary of my side of the argument.
As an aside are commentators now being premoderated by Off-G if they dissent from the dominant narrative?
No
What have you seen concerning the possibility that the disease is actually one where the virus principally attacks red blood cells, hence the hypoxia, and does more damage by thus releasing Fe ions from the erythrocytes that act as very destructive free radicals in places like the alveoli, hence the bilateral ground glass opacities seen on CT. Hence, also, possibly, the effectiveness of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, anti-malarials, in treating the disease.
Ground glass opacities are common non-specific changes that occur in the lungs as a result of many conditions, from viral infections to cancer.
There were a few attempts in the media to present these and other common features as being strange or unusual, but they just aren’t.
There’s little to support any of the claims that COVID19 does anything unusual or esoteric beyond most similar viruses.
They are NOT ‘strange or unusual’-they are diagnostic.
Neither strange, nor unusual, nor specific.
A reasonable question. Why the down votes?
Can I reply by saying as a bus driver myself I am well aware of the unhealthiness of many drivers? Diabetes is prevalent, as is being overweight/obese. There’s also stress-related illnesses. I see Sky news and Sadiq Khan omitted the health conditions of these drivers. So as a driver myself, would you call me a David Icke loving green reptile loving person?
Ther narrative you speak about is firmly in their court as they have not given any details of these drivers and underlying health conditions.
Would I call you a what? Did you not understand the irony? I was suggesting that Mr Objective might think Sadiq was a green reptilian member of the elite.
Forgot to mention that an astonishing amount of bus drivers smoke also.
Any vape? Going to get into that soon, here.
Well one man – Grant Kellman – was said to have had no symptoms, was admitted on a Friday, died on Saturday – and only had a pain in his back. However his daughter said : “He only had a heart problem dating back to 2017, but other than that he was fine.” So it sounds like he was another case of someone who died WITH corvid-19 but not FROM Corvid 19 !!
the names will not be released to protect the privacy and grief of the families.
my guess we will probably never know the names
of the unknown tfl soldiers.
mr khan kahn cowen co hen said it was so
so the deaths must have been
so
believe
and it will be
From “Biological agents and pandemics:review of the literature and national policies” by European Agency for Safety and Health at Work, dated 2009:
“One of the most important health issues the world faces is the threat of a global disease outbreak called a pandemic. Biological risks related to pandemics and epidemics can affect the health of workers, particularly in specific occupations, such as workers in health care, transport services or animal breeding or workers who contribute to contingency measures.”
https://osha.europa.eu/en/publications/biological-agents-and-pandemics-review-literature-and-national-policies
It seems to be accepted wisdom that transport workers, among others, are particularly at risk from epidemics, so I don’t see how this conflicts with the narrative that we are simply witnessing a normal flu-type event that occurs every winter.
Wittkowski correctlly makes the point about the Internet.
I have never been keen on the global village idea, but there is doubt in my mind that the Internet has played a crucial role in the fomenting of the first truly global hysteria.
Just imagine if the Salem Witchcraft affair had taken place in the Internet era.
Who knows, maybe it still will 🙂
Too right, I dare you to visit the daily mail on line, the hideous level of scare mongering propaganda is beyond terrifying. It is truly a sight to see, the level of sheer servitude of the readers to their self imprisonment is mind boggling, some of them are literally pleading with government to shot people in the streets for daring to go outside.
I’ve read the Mail for 35 years and never have I been more disgusted with their coverage and scaremongering. To describe just one instance. In their pictures gallery they show an image of a NASA lab where technicians are working on a satellite, dressed in their usual protective gear which, mysteriously became Virus protection in their narrative.
No wonder the world’s gone mad being fed this stuff.
Thy are mostly not genuine readers. I haven’t read anything on the Mailonline for years but when I did it was pretty clear that on ‘sensitive’ stories about 90% of commenters were government trolls.
I’ve actually come to the conclusion (absolutely no evidence of it) many of the comments are left by daily mail employees.
‘no doubt in my mind’ – sorry
A “witch among us” panic recently occurred in Uganda resulting in the horrific deaths of several outspoken women who had offended the powers that be in that shithole.
got a government leaflet today
separate yourself from others inside your house.
anybody who reads this and doesn’t wonder needs NO lobotomy!
has anybody read 1984?
keep that tv on so they can check 😉
Last night a woman opposite came out of a apartment onto the veranda on the 3rd floor wearing a mask. She the proceeded to clean the veranda the walls and some things she brought out with her. She then adjusted the mask and returned to inside the flat. Mind boggling.
I too have seen some very mind boggling behaviour. It is this rather than the virus that is worrying me, seeing people trying so hard to ‘protect’ themselves, I have seen someone use nitrile gloves for serving customers, wash their hands (with the gloves on) and then sit and eat their lunch with the gloves on… and another wearing a mask and gloves throughout but constantly readjusting the mask with their gloved hands while working. Psychologically I am hoping that the placebo effect of believing they are protecting themselves will go someway to helping them cope because the physical measures they are taking are unlikely too.
This morning, a Filther driving a Filth van pulls up beside me at the traffic lights.
The wife says look, the Filther was picking His nose, while wearing His sterile blue nitrile gloves.
was it this one?
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877678/coronavirus-leaflet.pdf
yup, I got that one, it’s in my recycling. My ex (also a sensible man) had decided to open it sometime in September 😉
Just a few statistics to put the issue into some perspective.
Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disorder (COPD) a common lung disease which is basically
Bronchitis and Emphysema
Prevalence
In 2015, 3.2 million people: Trusted Source died from COPD worldwide, an increase of 11.6 percent compared with 1990. During that same time period, the prevalence of COPD increased by 44.2 percent to 174.5 million individuals.
In the United States, an estimated 16 million adults. Trusted Source have COPD. However, that may be an underestimate. The American Lung Association (ALA) thinks there may be as many as 24 million American adults living with COPD.
In the UK 20% of annual deaths are attributed to COPD and lung cancer.
No-one raises and eyebrow since generally these are diseases of old age.
Smoking mostly not old age.
Air pollution mostly ! Life is terminal we all get old and die the cause is somewhat immaterial in this context.
That too – especially in London.
The time to fear the vampires is when they start day walking………
Too late folks….. time to get with the plan ……Chico style.
And this earlier one . . .