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Julian Assange: One Year In Belmarsh

Binoy Kampmark

It should not be a matter of distinction, but Julian Assange is a figure who is becoming the apotheosis of political imprisonment. This seems laughable to those convinced he is an agent without scruple, a compromiser of the Fourth Estate, a figure best packed off to a prison system that will, in all assuredness, kill him.

That’s if he even gets there. Having spent a year at Her Majesty’s Belmarsh prison, the WikiLeaks publisher faces the permanent danger of contracting COVID-19 as he goes through the bone-weariness of legal proceedings.

Even during the extradition hearings, he has been treated with a snooty callousness by District Court Judge Vanessa Baraitser, which does not bode well for a favourable finding against the US submission. As he endures them, he suffers in a facility that is succumbing to the misrule caused by the coronavirus.

On April 9, Assange’s friend Vaughan Smith gave a description of conditions that gave little cause for Easter cheer.

“Julian is now confined alone in a cell for 23.5 hours every day. He gets half an hour of exercise and that is in a yard crowded with other prisoners.”

Smith also had a shot at the running of the prison.

“With over 150 Belmarsh prison staff off work self-isolating, the prison is barely functioning.”

The UK Department of Justice has adopted a mild approach to the issue of releasing prisoners in the face of the coronavirus epidemic. Despite the Prison Governors’ Association suggesting the release of 15,000 non-violent prisoners, the Department of Justice has opted for the lower total of 4,000. To date, a meagre 100 have been released.

Assange insists that the situation is graver at Belmarsh than is otherwise advertised. Official figures put the number of COVID-19 deaths at one in the maximum security facility. There are at least two, with the possibility, argues Assange, of more.

By any reasonable assessment, Assange fits the bill of a non-violent prisoner, and one with genuine political credentials. He was granted asylum by Ecuador, a point of little interest to Baraister. His condition both physical and mental has appalled friends, acquaintances and a number of officials.

Nils Melzer, UN Special Rapporteur on Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, has spent much time beating the drum of awareness about his plight. Since 2010, he stated in May last year,

“there has been a relentless and unrestrained campaign of public mobbing, intimidation and defamation against Mr Assange, not only in the United States, but also in the United Kingdom, Sweden and, more recently, in Ecuador.”

Rather than turning their attention to this state of circumstances, news outlets prefer to gorge themselves on other details, such as the newly revealed identity of his partner, which Judge Baraitser refused to keep concealed.

The writing on this subject is needlessly though predictably tawdry. “WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange fathered two sons while hiding in embassy,” has been a favourite formulation.

The Daily Mail can barely resist stirring the sauce pot, giving Assange the appearance of an international man of fornicating mystery.

“Gabriel, aged two, and his one-year-old brother Max were conceived while their father was hiding out to avoid extradition to America, where he faces espionage charges over the leaking of thousands of classified US intelligence documents.”

But the man who sowed his oats was also, the Mail is thrilled to remind us, “wanted in Sweden where he was accused of rape.”

It was rather good of them to also tell readers that Swedish prosecutors dropped the investigation, though it does so with customary scepticism.

The old hacks can barely resist regarding the entire matter of Assange having a partner and children as peculiar. The Mail seemed to think it had uncovered a stunning morsel of information that would shock all.

“The news will come as a bombshell to Assange’s friends and enemies since he was widely understood to have led a near-monastic life since entering the embassy in 2012.”

Monks would surely disagree with that flawed assessment, as would his friends.

The theme of oddity has also made it across the Atlantic. The New York Post, for instance, considered it “an even odder twist” that “British rapper M.I.A. is a godmother to the children”. Hardly – M.I.A, along with a large clutch of celebrities, has been a vocal supporter and barracker.

This mixture of lazy scribbling, creepy curiosity and saccharine interest will do little to aid Assange. His partner, now revealed as lawyer Stella Moris-Smith Robertson, attempted to take some of the edge off perceptions of the publisher in a court statement supporting bail.

“My close relationship with Julian has been the opposite of how he is viewed – of reserve, respect for each other and attempts to shield each other from some of the nightmares that have surrounded our lives.”

Retaining that shield will be an increasingly difficult matter now.

Assange’s scalp is precious. The application for bail made by his defence team on March 25 was denied. Access to him from his legal team is limited, hobbling the case. Even during a raging pandemic, where entire states have mobilised their resources, there is always room for little bit of vindictiveness.

Scores need to be settled; the balance sheet ordered. To that end, Judge Baraister and the UK justice system, have not disappointed.

Dr. Binoy Kampmark was a Commonwealth Scholar at Selwyn College, Cambridge. He lectures at RMIT University, Melbourne. Email: [email protected]

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Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Apr 16, 2020 10:09 PM

Through ALL of this, Australia’s Politicians will NOT stand up for him. They are completely without any concern for him at all. And, “The home of the Brave, and the land of the Free” are baying for his blood(because he exposed THEIR lies)

Orwell was right. “The Boot stamping on the human face forever”…….The future has arrived.

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Apr 16, 2020 10:17 PM
Reply to  Brian Harry

And, of course, “Great Britain” have a Hell Hole prison for political prisoners at Bellmarsh, while the Magna Carta(Copy) is held in Salsbury Cathedral.

“Freedom’s just another word for, Nothin’ left to lose”…..

jim
jim
Apr 14, 2020 5:47 PM

paul
paul
Apr 14, 2020 5:01 PM

The Assange case serves to highlight the arrogance, spite, malice, hypocrisy, mendacity and sheer vindictiveness of those who lord it over us, their corrupt, compromised, worthless, fake toadying MSM, and their debased “justice” system, a tool of oppression and intimidation. JA’s greatest achievement lies in forcing them to take off the mask and reveal their ugly face for all the world to see.

Ken Kenn
Ken Kenn
Apr 15, 2020 8:44 PM
Reply to  paul

Fairly simple in my opinion just constant ex British Empire grovelling, bowing and scraping to the new big bully in the playground.

This virus though – if it has a positive – is only proving that the US was always all moth and no trousers when push comes to shove.

Every more thoughtful Nation is now swerving the US as a ” Moral leader ” of the so called Free World ( thanks Guardian ) and latching on to the idea that a world without the dead weight of a sclerotic US is a possibility.

Myths are slowly but surely being shattered.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 14, 2020 4:32 PM

The following is an excerpt from an article entitled: “How Liars Create The Illusions of Truth.” This article, interestingly enough, appeared on a BBC website: “But part of guarding against the illusion is the obligation it puts on us to stop repeating falsehoods. We live in a world where the facts matter, and should matter. If you repeat things without bothering to check if they are true, you are helping to make a world where lies and truth are easier to confuse. So, please, think before you repeat.”

How unfortunate it is, that BBC and other state-run mainstream media news sites “fail” to practice what they preach. And what’s even so much worse is their refusal to defend the “rights” of journalists and whistleblowers who speak the truth.

As a matter of fact if a publisher, investigative journalist, or whistleblower happens to be especially well-known with a following of millions they’re most at risk of being silenced for revealing the crimes of imperialism.

Investigative journalists worldwide are frequently assassinated.

According to data collected by the Committee to Protect Journalists 554 journalists worldwide over the last decade have been murdered. This includes media workers, such as drivers and interpreters. Journalists were killed by suicide bombs, shot by gangs, caught in crossfire or assassinated.

And due to the efforts of Wikileaks and Assange we know that several Reuters Journalists were slaughtered in Iraq. The WikiLeaks video “Collateral Murder” showed a US military crew firing on a group of men, some were Reuters reporters.

“In the first strike, the crews of two Apaches directed 30 mm cannon fire at a group of ten Iraqi men, including some armed men, standing where insurgents earlier that day had shot at an American Humvee with small arms fire. Among the group were two Iraqi war correspondents working for Reuters, Saeed Chmagh and Namir Noor-Eldeen. Seven men (including Noor-Eldeen) were killed during this first strike; Saeed Chmagh, who was injured, later died in a hospital

The second strike, also using 30 mm rounds, was directed at a van whose driver, Saleh Matasher Tomal, appeared to happen to drive by and who proceeded to help the wounded Chmagh. However, in the long version of the video this van was targeted prior to the first engagement by one Apache (Crazyhorse 1/8) as it traveled south toward the Reuters employees who were, simultaneously, targeted by the other Apache (Crazyhorse 1/9) as they walked north on the same road toward the van. Minutes after the first engagement ended the van returned traveling in an opposite direction (north) once again on this same road. Two men assisting in the rescue effort were from a group of five standing at an intersection – seen in the upper right corner of the video when the Reuters employees arrive in the courtyard – reported to Apaches as being a second position combatants were using to attack the Humvee. Both of these men, Chmagh and Tomal, were killed in the second strike, and two of Tomal’s children were badly wounded.

In a third strike, Apache pilots watched people, including some armed men, run into a building and engaged that building with several AGM-114 Hellfire missiles.”

One of the most significant reasons for the apathy by the US public towards needless imperialist wars (other than the lack of a draft) is corporate state-run mainstream media news purposeful omission of foreign policy coverage, as well the censoring of all video clips illustrating the genocidal savagery of war. Wikileaks, exposed this brutality and that’s why Assange is now sitting in Belmarsh Prison.

Objective
Objective
Apr 14, 2020 7:05 PM

Technically hes in Belmarsh because he broke his bail conditions & hid in the Equadorian embassy. But i know people wont let facts stand in the way of their politics.

We can have the debate on the judiciary, common law & political extradition which would please me no end. But Assange is in prison A.T.M because hes a proven flight risk.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 14, 2020 8:27 PM
Reply to  Objective

A flight risk for what crime? The rape charges in Sweden were dropped. Actually, Assange should sue the state for mental duress.

Objective
Objective
Apr 14, 2020 9:31 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

A flight risk for what crime?

He jumped bail! Now if your asking is the charge against him fair that’s a different fact. Your conflating Swedish non-charges with his duty to attend a court of law. There is now a charge against him by the Americans & he faces extradition. That’s the flight risk, that he wont attend court to dispute those charges, he has a track record of not attending court/police hearings etc. THAT’S A FACT!

Again if your asking are the American charges against him fair that’s a different fact again.

I have no skin in the game. Those are the facts , but i don’t like the hypocrisy displayed here, you all come here for your truth, but sometimes it seems only your version of the truth! I wonder how outraged you would all be if it was a socialist government persecuting him, instead of the evil empire?

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 14, 2020 10:06 PM
Reply to  Objective

Let’s avoid confusing the issue. Assange’s bail originally pertained to rape charges which were dropped. Subsequently, the US charged Assange for hacking a computer by assisting Chelsea Manning in retrieving data, then the US upped the charges to treason.

What I’m saying, is that the British bail hearings were irrelevant since the initial rape charge was dropped.

At that point, all charges should have been dropped. But, obviously the bail hearings were just a pretext knowing that additional US indictments were in the
offing. Thus leaving the entire process to be little more than a judiciary
charade– a wasteful expense to the British taxpayers who are suffering enough because of a panic pandemic.

Objective
Objective
Apr 14, 2020 11:25 PM

Now we are getting somewhere, yes it is a charade & a legal technicality. But a fact none the less.

The judicial system has been broken for decades if not centuries once based on principles of common law, it is nothing more than a neo-liberal technocracy now based on a rules based system everyone has to live by (except them).

Anyone of us could have been held under the same technicality so there’s no reason for Assange to be treated any differently under their rules. But i’m biased because i don’t believe in the judicial system or incarceration for technocratic crimes or do i believe governments should hold secrets.

However you will find many of the hypocrites who support Assange are socialists & subscribe to the very systems that imprisons us, unless it doesn’t fit their personal politics, i.e. the fight against the evil capitalist empire. Hes held under a legal technicality but a lawful one. If you don’t like it change the law.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 15, 2020 12:14 AM
Reply to  Objective

The judicial system has been a farce for decades. Justice in the US is correlated to wealth and influence. Assange, is not in jail for a technicality he’s in prison because he’s a “political prisoner.” A trumped-up charge was deployed to ensure his incarceration.

Anna
Anna
Apr 15, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  Objective

Are you a friend of Ghislaine Maxwell? She was a procuress of underage girls for influential philanderers. Her crimes have been confirmed. Nevertheless, the UK treats her property religiously. She was never questioned by either the US or the UK judges.
People like you help to remind about Ghislaine Maxwell and her like-minded supporters like the Blairs and the Clintons, the famous war-criminals and war-profiteers.

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Apr 16, 2020 10:27 PM
Reply to  Anna

That Blair, was never charged for the attrocity of “Weapons of Mass Destruction” and the war that killed Multy Thousands of innocent Iraqi’s, While Assange is in a dungeon for simply exposing the TRUTH, is an International disgrace.

Ken Kenn
Ken Kenn
Apr 15, 2020 8:50 PM
Reply to  Objective

What you are saying is that in an allegedly Free Country that Assange does not have the right to break the Law.

He is being held purely because the State thinks he will break the Law.

As the State doesn’t know whether he will or he won’t skip bail again they are assuming that he will skip bail again.

The fact is the Sate doesn’t know he will break the law.

Now in Socialist China – you would call that whatt if they jailed someone for what they might do?

I am a socialist by the way.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Apr 15, 2020 7:15 PM
Reply to  Objective

Can’t imagine why he’d want to flee!

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 16, 2020 11:20 AM
Reply to  Objective

Ecuadorian, you arrogant ignoramus. Bail jumpers DO NOT go to Belmarsh.

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Apr 16, 2020 10:22 PM
Reply to  Objective

He wasn’t “HIDING” in the Embassy. Everyone on Earth knew he was there. He was in Political asylum, courtesy of the Nation of Equador, whose President at the time, has been ‘removed’ by “The Home of the brave and the Land of the Free”…….

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 15, 2020 2:37 AM

Charlotte, there is clear evidence that Collateral Murder is faked. It consists of pieces of mostly, at least, genuine audio stitched together over faked footage and the alleged fatal explosions are Hollywood-style stuff. We hear 13 call signs used in this video – this number of call signs cannot be explained for a real situation … and there are a number of other anomalies not to mention the clear evidence that Chelsea Manning is an intelligence asset and used the film to infiltrate Wikileaks.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/wikileaks-controlled-opposition.html

I know no one thought of it before as I didn’t myself until last April but surely to goodness, when something hasn’t been said or thought of before that doesn’t mean it cannot be true. Fabricating something that casts you in a bad light and using that to infiltrate makes absolutely perfect sense. As pointed out by antitermite in another comment:

And the Collateral Murder vid, whilst a rather graphic depiction of the empire’s exceptionalism, has been and continues to be eclipsed by far more callous displays of naked aggression (for example The Highway of Death, the Soleimani murders, the droning of 30-something pine planters recently,and just about every atrocity that reaches our ears from Yemen). Libya, Yugoslavia. On&on. Yet no one (in the west) bats an eye even when the perps admit it.

(Actually, I have my doubts about Soleimani being murdered – they could have just offered him a deal to conveniently disappear but who knows?)

The power elite have absolutely no problem making themselves look bad – it’s part of their power play.

Two commonalities with 9/11 (no doubt there are more)
1. As the evidence shows the Collateral Murder video is faked, the story about an indignant Reuters being denied access to a copy of the footage is a big fabrication. It is the same MO as the alleged suing of New York City by the New York Times to release the “oral histories” of first responders recorded shortly after 9/11 (see Point 9 on this page for more). A charming nuance of the propaganda campaign, isn’t it? Making out Reuters is demanding information under the FOIA when, of course, they’re completely in on it – with the sense of cover-up being enhanced by the fact the video was encrypted. As if they wouldn’t be. Big media and government – they’re all in it together.

2. Collateral Damages is a film that professes to be an intimate look at the emotional and psychological impact of September 11 on New York firefighters in the year after the attack on the World Trade Center. As there is clear evidence that 9/11 was, in effect, a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Attack pushed out as a real event we know that firefighters did not suffer emotional and psychological impact and the lameness of their website, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth and Unity, is a good indication of that. If 343 firefighters died – and obviously they would work out the buildings came down by controlled demolition where the hell are their colleagues fighting for justice for them?
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html

Collateral Damages and then Collateral Murder – the perps would have had a chuckle over that one.

If you think that Chelsea Manning is a genuine leaker and the Collateral Murder video is genuine, please explain your reasoning and evidence.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 15, 2020 2:43 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Oops! Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Attack should be Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Apr 15, 2020 4:44 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Here’s a twisty one for you Petra:
You could be a (double?) agent provocateur for the ‘enemy’
Or just someone who enjoys throwing a cat among the pigeons.
Impossible to prove or disprove isn’t it?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 15, 2020 5:35 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

I think the most convincing thing I can offer that I’m genuine is that I point out the propaganda campaign targeted at 9/11 truthers to ensure maintenance of their belief in the 3,000 dead/6,000 injured lie and the reason for it – to stagnate the truth. If truthers are armed with the truth of controlled demolition but the lie of 3,000 dead they won’t get anywhere because the US government killing its own citizens in such a manner is too taboo and unbelievable and people won’t accept it … of course, trying to convince them it’s a complete hoax is no easy matter either but we can see why they went with a propaganda campaign to truthers to maintain the lie. The power elite knew the Emperor’s New Clothes controlled demolitions and (less often) faked plane crashes would be apprehended by a small but significant minority so they thought rather than trying to completely suppress this very obvious truth they’d go for stagnating the truth with the truthers impotently being armed with one truth / one lie … and in this effort they have all the truthers massively focused on controlled demolition – the perfect implosion of WTC-7 was very deliberate (they didn’t have to include it along with the day’s terror events) – to divert them from the plane crashes (a truth that tends towards exposure of the lie about deaths because if the plane crashes were faked then obviously people didn’t die in plane crashes) and from the pivotal truth: death and injury were staged.

Well before I had the slightest idea 9/11 was an inside job people such as Simon Shack told us that death was staged but it seems Simon is controlled opposition – yes, even though he points out the pivotal truth of death being staged he’s still controlled opposition. He doesn’t do it quite as well as he could, for example, he doesn’t deal with injury which is clearly fake and is certainly helpful in making the case nor does he point out the massive propaganda campaign targeted to truthers, he only speaks of individual disinformation agents and he also makes claims that people who allegedly died are made up when they are obviously real people (the alleged dead comprise live people who’ve been sheepdipped, people who died some other way and made up people). Simon also says astronauts didn’t land on the moon which, unfortunately, many genuine, intelligent 9/11 truthers also believe but I can’t help feeling in Simon’s case it’s to deliberately undermine his credibility.

9/11 truth is wall-to-wall controlled opposition whose primary purpose is to suppress the pivotal truth of staged death and injury. How can I be part of that when I argue from every possible angle that it was staged and go through a number of aspects of the propaganda campaign targeted at truthers?

But as the currently-disgraced Caitlin Johnstone says you have to simply judge people by what they say. If you think I say anything that seems “controlled opposition” I’d be very interested to know what you think it is.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Apr 15, 2020 6:34 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Since when did the Empire need an excuse or a reason to invade a country? They’ve been doing it since the Korean War.
Why bother with a disaster movie in NYC, when they could have destroyed a couple of churches in the Bible Belt? God’s own heartland.
And where are the jingoistic/patriotic whistleblowers?
Not one to be heard.
It doesn’t make sense. It’s too elaborate from a group of Psychopaths who shoot first and damn the consequences,

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 15, 2020 6:49 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

Fair dinkum, the scientific approach is to look at the evidence, not judge on requirement for motive. With or without motive is not evidence either way and yes, power can do what it likes when it likes and they chose Saudi terrorists although they invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. The logic for their disaster movie may not seem impeccable (however, we cannot really know all their motives) but that doesn’t mean they didn’t do it. The evidence shows they did, in fact, do it … but the pivotal secret is staged death and injury, that is, 9/11 was not a false flag, it was a psyop. People call it a psyop when they believe in the deaths of 3,000 and injury to 6,000 but that is not a psyop! Nothing in the least psyoppy about it! You don’t kill 3,000 people you don’t want to kill or injure 6,000 you don’t want to injure when you can so easily fake it. That is not a psyop!

9/11 was a psyop, in fact, a double psyop – it was as psyoppy as can be.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Apr 15, 2020 6:59 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Scientific?
Like in Nuclear weapons, napalm, cluster bombs, land mines, depleted uranium weapons, thalidomide, vioxx, glyphosate, Benzedrine etc etc.
Science? No.
It has too much baggage.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Apr 15, 2020 6:53 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

‘Currently disgraced Caitlin Johnstone’?
By whose measure?
I can tell from your comments that you probably disapprove of Caitlin’s colourful language and rhetoric, but her heart is in the right place and she doesn’t ‘see a spy’ behind every tree.
We should give her the benefit of the doubt.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 15, 2020 7:03 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

Actually, I was just have a little joke about Caitlin, she disgraced herself in my eyes quite awhile ago. She has called me awful things and even deleted my comments simply because I put forward evidence showing Chelsea Manning is an intelligence asset and death and injury were staged on 9/11 which are both against her beliefs. Deleting people’s comments worded perfectly civilly and reasonably is completely against the anti-censorship ethic she propounds. Caitlin is a hypocrite.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Apr 15, 2020 7:16 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Her site, her call.
Just because you use ‘civil’ language Petra does not preclude you from being a maligner or even a Troll.
‘Collateral damage’ could be regarded as civil by some.
Or even ‘the bottom line’
Two of the UGLIEST phrases in English.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 15, 2020 10:16 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

You don’t seem to realise the significance of evidence, Fair dinkum. If I present evidence for what I say then by definition I’m not a troll or a maligner. Caitlin didn’t attempt to challenge what I presented as evidence she simply called me names and deleted my comments and I think in the end banned me from posting as I tried to post once and my post wouldn’t take, however, I didn’t try again so it may have been some kind of glitch.

Its true she can do whatever she likes with her site, however, if you subscribe to anti-censorship then it is hypocritical to delete comments that do not disobey rules of etiquette.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Apr 15, 2020 10:47 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

‘Evidence’ is a movable feast Petra.
Lindy Chamberlain was convicted on scientific ‘evidence’
People have been executed ‘on the evidence’.
Gut feeling and the human experience should never be underestimated.
The hatred many harbour for the Empire is as palpable as water.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 15, 2020 11:26 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

Lindy Chamberlain’s case was complete BS right from the start – there wasn’t confusion over evidence, procedure wasn’t followed properly. The thing is when it comes to psyops there is always in-your-face evidence from a number of different angles and there’s never a single piece of evidence supporting the “real” event hypothesis.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 15, 2020 11:46 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

“You [Petra] could be a (double?) agent provocateur for the ‘enemy’”

There are few words the meaning of which always escapes me and which I always have to look up, over and over again. Petra has previously referred to a lifetime of arguments with her consequently much-frustrated sister that threw up an insight into a persistent modus operandi that I have not previously been able to characterize because I was thus missing an accurate and succinct descriptor. I am obliged to DunGroanin for his recent posting of the word ‘gaslighting’, not describing but in close proximity to one of Petra’s offensive manipulations, as my usual check with the dictionary coupled with the simultaneous characteristically unwholesome presence in my mind of the entity formerly known as flaxgirl clicked the internal link I was looking for. And, as a bonus, ensured I will never have to look up the meaning of ‘gaslighting’ again.

Petra would be a natural recruit for work as controlled-‘controlled opposition’ to the increasingly unacceptable theses of alternative narrative providers and may well be employed as such, but the persistence and intensity of the gaslighting she exhibits could could as well be the unconsciously chosen modus operandi of a badly damaged infantile psyche out to settle past scores with all the power that consequent clinical narcissism (far beyond a mere narcissistic personality order) can bestow. The abandon with which she regularly seeks to damage (back) random specific others, in groups or individually, smearing their competence, their motives, their honesty, their integrity, their perceptions (particularly), their achievements–anything about them that can be smeared, up to and including their actual existence–a whole 110 levels above mere common disparagements by epithet, such as “sheeple”, etc.; the obsessionality and simplistic monotony of her core meme-themes; and the invariant format of her near endlessly extended series of gaslighting responses to any challenge such insanities and depredations evoke suggests a psychological commitment against which any vocational aspect would pale into insignificance.

Paid natural gaslighter or tragically obsessive, natural–possibly even unconsciously so–amateur gaslighter? Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 15, 2020 4:35 PM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

She has a shield against all those trumped charges that is quite simple. From what I’ve read of her, she pursues the questionable stories about questionable “events” (or, often, questionable “non-events”) with many questions. Which is the appropriate process, and “scientific method”, especially with sacred cows.

Even, or especially, Rome (Vatican) does that when investigating the “cause” of a saint. They are somehow more reticent about having to remove future egg from any face than any of our “sainted” press.

I try pretty much the same deconstructionist policy: simply try to break down reportage and the evidence that is available to us, or if necessary, into pieces, and see what, if anything, is still standing.

Often not much is. And so that is perhaps the most valuable tool you can wield. Ergo: if the newspapers, or other outlets, regurgitate the same facts, and those “facts” can’t hold up under a real scrutiny, you’ve got your real payoff. You’re being proveably lied to as an organized crime: media.

A great example: Robin Williams’ death was first reported that he was found hanging by a belt, “suspended from the ceiling”.

Suspended. From. Ceiling.

I didn’t even have my standard-issue conspiracy investigative tin-foil hat on the first couple minutes I saw that, til I did a quick rewind and asked, “Hey, wait a minute, how do you hang your 200 lbs from the ceiling?

Fan? Decorative plant hook? Rope (as it turned out, a belt) around a heavy object on the floor above, through which you’ve already drilled on the off chance you might one day need that very aid to hang yourself?

Can anyone answer that?

And yet that was the detail “xeroxed” throughout media for some while, until suddenly that crime scene factoid forensic vanished, and we were told he was hanging from his pants belt wedged in a closet door?

Phew, that’s a relief, I thought I was losing my grip (on my tinfoil hat).

So, then, how would you hang yourself from your closet door, seems kind of awkward, and you’re probably in such a frantic, or at least fiendish, state that the last thing you want is to die really awkwardly. It flies in the face of suicide chic, for celebrities. It would cramp a suicide’s style, at the very least. (I could think of one scenario: a third party, gloved, could render the victim unconscious, seat him on a chair next to the culprit door, on a couple hefty phone books, attach the belt to closet door, closing it on belt (jammed in) and looped like a choke chain around victim’s neck, then slowly remove the phone books, and victim’s body weight would be the murderer, as it sank onto the chair, collapsing the windpipe slowly. A similar trick, a variation on a theme, I believe was used on David Carradine. Maybe even same jackal, assassin?? I know Carradine’s whole family are convinced he was murdered. And yet both deaths were barely questioned? Then, or now? Rich and fertile, if dangerous, fields of investigation. Both Carradine’and Robin Williams were inveterate and irreverent walking question marks to Authority….)

I talked to a coroner who left the field about two years after that sad day of August 12, 2014, he left in 2016, and he shared in detail some of the salient features of the murder (my designation, not his). He described photos of the crime scene, and it seemed real, to my satisfaction.

At the end of it all, I said, “OK, the big question. In a word, suicide or homicide.? Can’t be both, right? Paul seemed taken aback, and I had to ask the question 3 or 4 times ( probably while he thought of the feasible answer). Finally he turned up his palms and said, “We just don’t know.”

Certainly not the official coroner’s answer, in Marin County. Tnat one was repeated mindlessly throughout the world press, like an incessant and annoying echo.

And yet most people are quite shocked when I tell them RW was murdered, like that’s news.

Including whichever person, or persons, are listening, live (humintel), to my phone calls when I get to that point in the story and the call suddenly gets dropped, every time. I called one friend and the call dropped out 3 times, each time right as I was tying the loose ends of the “mystery” together. She (something of a sheeple by her own admission) finally said, “Better shut up, John!”

But “the game is afoot”. And the Moriarty’s of the world will always try such things.

But that troubles me far less than knowing none of the press -GLOBALLY- followed up with questions, “Could there possibly be foul play?”

In such a global ambience, in which we see most of the world’s governments moving in tandem like the limbs of a single monster, without question, it seems more than appropriate to ask all the questions possible, and not be bashful (Like Robin Williams, or Kobe, does the word “bashful” even exist anymore? We suspect it dates me. And even more dating to readers.)

Even at the “once remove” of the Internet, it seems a lot easier to prove that Petra is not a double agent than to prove Robin Williams was a suicide.

Yet, 99.999999% of media I’ve seen, so far, are all on board that he was! Which also proves the Internet is subtly censored, since I meet a fair sample of people who think Robin and Kobe were murdered, yet no evidence on the sticky Web? Just as most media are on board, globally, about the existenz of Magic Virus.

And why is THAT?

Quirky questions about some very quirky commonplaces.

But the day is young, the Magic Bullet is still whizzing around, in search of a final resting place. (A close cousin of the Energizer Bunny, who is not even a close second, yet keeps going and g….)

Dr. Cyril Wecht, yet another Coroner, with a special interest in the forensics of JFK, asked Governor Connally’s widow Nelly, and then his family, if, in the interests of world history etc. etc., the late Governor’s body could be exhumed, as fragments of aforesaid Magic Bullet were still in his body, his wrist I believe, and Wecht was declined.

In a just society you’d think that would be court-ordered?

In the absence of such a society, the least we can do is ask. Like Petra.

Most of her questions, too, aren’t far-fetched at all, and yet it speaks sampled volumes that you can’t find many instances of investigative minds even asking them?

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 15, 2020 5:24 PM
Reply to  John ErvIn

Sort of like almost scarcely a soul asking some of the hard(er) questions about Mr. Assange.

They always ask putatively hard questions, like, “Why are the authorities being so mean to him?”

But not the harder, or more complex and painstaking ones, like, “Before we invest heart and time, and money in his defence, and all the emotional costs of long loyalty, is it worth asking if he’s real, or just rather a “legend” (contrived psyop)?

There seems to be a palpable dearth of those KINDs of questions.

Sherlock is turning in his (false flag of a) grave, frocked coat, pipe, double-billed hat.

I should know, I am he! Having caught my third wind.

Not only is the game afoot, with the whole world now of Magic Virus as my canvas, yet so once more am I !

A Conspiracy Theory starring ME, as the solitary (known) conspirator!

Disprove THAT, MSM !!

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Apr 16, 2020 12:52 AM
Reply to  John ErvIn

In the end John, does it really matter who was, or wasn’t murdered?
The lives of the rich and famous are so far removed from 99% of the population that they are almost ‘aliens’ to most of us.
What matters most is our own well being, physical and psychological. Including our family’s.
As I’ve said previously on this site, most people don’t realise how beautiful each breath is, until one cannot take the next breath.
The purpose of Life is enjoyment, the reason is Love.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 15, 2020 10:17 AM

“Wikileaks, exposed this brutality and that’s why Assange is now sitting in Belmarsh Prison.”

Assange is in prison for having exposed significantly more than war, war criminality and war mongering and for expressing no intention of giving up on any of it. The actual charges are based on a small subset of the over all challenges to the established order presented by Wikileaks, a subset that has been judged to be easy to sell politically while retaining an ongoing figleaf of legality.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 15, 2020 1:26 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Yes of course, Assange, is a political prisoner for exposing worldwide political corruption and imperialist war crimes. However, many war crimes are interrelated to political corruption. If a detailed list was comprised of all the ancillary reasons for Assange’s prosecution the national security would discredit themselves appearing overtly vindictive and sociopathic.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 15, 2020 6:13 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Yes, and Lee Harvey Oswald (“Oswald” is a kind of unusual -sounding- name, like “Assange” adding to all the mystery here, or at least “legendary” mystique) was a commie.

A Commie rabble-rouser in New Orleans, instigating a worker revolt, and in such a likely place like the deep South, too, where commies are a workers’ dime a dozen, above all with Oswald’s “Fair Play For Cuba” leaklets! See how that works!?

Though no other members of FPFC than he can be found (michaelparenti.org “The JFK Assassination: Defending the Gangster State”).

I’ll buy that canard, and wash it down with my next shot of Premium 🐍 Snake Oil. In my little Covid hideaway in the United Snakes of America.

Julian Assange is pretty tight, all in all, with Ed Snowden, the “Peach Fuzz Oswald, and who like LHO, is a Russian emigrant.

And we know that Snowden IS a CIA agent. And that LHO was CIA was kept from the public here for a half century, though now pretty acceptable, more so with each passing day. Castro gave a speech to the Cuban people the next day, that is 11.23.63, referring to LHO and his legend, but it is just now starting to sink in, here. 57 years late, or later than it sank in on Fidel.

Snowden, as in “snowed ’em” or Snow cone. We have ice cream cones that are a wow, if you get them “triple-dipped” in chocolate.

Snowden, to my old eyes, has been triple-dipped in SHEEP DIP.

I met a local who signed a petition I carried 5 years ago, who was at the time I met him a Bernie supporter. We had a lot in common, and at the tail end of a long chat he shared with me that he’d been a DIA agent. He seemed quite legit, not many people would tell you they are both a socialist and a former spy. IT’S JUST SIMPLY NOT DONE! I’m not sure why, bad etiquette perhaps.

Oswald came up, and he grew exasperated listening to my clues, finally cocking his head in mock despair, exclaiming, “He was SHEEP DIPPED!!”

I played along, I’d seen the word, but didn’t have a precise def.

When I studied the term, the ex-spy was just agreeing that Oswald had had all his Marine and Government connections removed, like a sheep its vermin (telling).

People need to know that we have flocks upon flocks upon flocks of those these days.

So the Assange network is no exception? He is surrounded by nothing, if not spies?

Ah, but they are changed men, to a changed man.

Of course, they are martyrs in the making, constantly. And it’s not nice to question the motives of a martyr, especially while in the making.

They have divested themselves of their past sins, like sheep their past lice and other vermin.

It’s a process, not easy.

Unless you have worldwide MSM helping us all stick to the Script.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 15, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  John ErvIn

STILL THE MOST AMAZING SPEECH I’VE EVER READ, DELIVERED 50+ YEARS AGO:

https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/HWNAU/FC112363.html

CHECK OUT LINK TO THE BOOK WHENCE IT CAME, & WAS FIRST INCLUDED, HERE IN U.S. 1997: “HISTORY WILL NOT ABSOLVE US” BY E. MARTIN SCHOTZ, ONE OF JAMES DOUGLASS’ ICONS (DEDICATED “JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE” TO HIM)

BDBinc
BDBinc
Apr 17, 2020 3:45 AM

Assange is CIA op.If the CIA wanted to kill him they would have instead of making him into a celeb for so called internet freedom( which we don’t have). Sending him to stay at an embassy and entertain Illuminati and other celebs. Poor man. Hello when the pathological org UN tells you something you should be skeptical .Tortured my ass more like impregnating woman with babies.
Wikileaks is CIA designed to catch whistle blowers BEFORE they release info.
The torture info was released to create in the minds of the sheeple fear of Washington no unauthorized info was released.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 17, 2020 4:07 AM
Reply to  BDBinc

The only research required to realise Assange is an intelligence asset is to know that all of Wikileaks material was published in the intelligence infested Guardian.

‘Guardian’s Carole Cadwalladr, Nick Cohen, James Ball and the BBC’s James Landale at FCO funded, military intelligence linked “Integrity Initiative” skill sharing, networking event.

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2018/12/13/skillsharingdraft-nov12/

The Guardian: MI5 for dummies.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 17, 2020 4:52 AM
Reply to  BDBinc

That’s an interesting theory. The CIA certainly went to a great deal of trouble creating a distressed family with small children…….. It also appears that the whistleblowers like Chelsea Manning are out of jail, but Assange is still in prison.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 17, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  BDBinc

It’s what CIA calls a “vacuum op”.

They had authors of assassination tomes guest on talk shows back in the 1960s, ’70, and send out feelers, “If any of our listeners have eyewitness testimony about the Grassy Knoll, contact me immediately, we urgently need your evidence.”

Then all kinds of suckers called, then showed up dead.

It’s a simple process, at its core.

Like a wet vac, only for blood.

Many have said Jonestown was such, and it has that look.

That is textbook spycraft.

You don’t have to be a spook to know a spook. But you do have to study it enough to break out of the Western spy echo chambers, to see it in its basic simple profile.

It is quite a revelation to know their basic and standard bag of tricks. It sheds a light on EVERYTHING we do, to spot their handiwork.

Even for beginners. Watch out, they’ll try to recruit you.

Whatever else you may do~

JUST SAY NO.

At least that seems to me the only salvific answer!

BDBinc
BDBinc
Apr 17, 2020 3:48 AM

As you say Journalists get assassinated. So why was he not?
Not turned into celebs for psuedo liberal lefty idiots to worship .

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 17, 2020 4:55 AM
Reply to  BDBinc

In the US Assange is despised by the pseudo liberal left they blame him for Hillary’s loss.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 18, 2020 2:08 AM

Where did you hear that? I haven’t heard many wannabe liberals, lefties, or others ever pillaging Assange. All I’ve ever heard from the Left, or wannabes, is that he’s some kind of Christ figure for the redemption of truth, justice, and freedom.

Now, *that* is what I find too much.

If his were a TV persona, and there was “suspension of disbelief” as you find in a drama, you might see it. But not in broad daylight. For the several, or many, reasons that other commenters have brought up. Up and down this thread. If you see JA as having a “legend”, that’s when things fall into place. In so many ways.

Many people say things like, “But he would have to be a consummate actor.”

Not really. There are other explanations, such as a long and early history of mind control programming.

Such things can work concurrently with a facility of interaction, charm, style, and all the rest.

Just by way of example.

I have known several people like that, all my life, or much of it, they have the capacity to take all kinds of intelligent people into their confidence, trust, and almost no one suspects.

I’m sure others know such types.

There are underlying mysteries to the most deft of those types, but not that mysterious once revealed

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 18, 2020 2:20 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

It’s common knowledgeable the “Hillary loving liberals” were annoyed about the Podesta emails being released. Why should that be a surprise at this point in time. In fact, that’s part of the reason the security state has been tenaciously
going after Assange.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 18, 2020 2:18 AM
Reply to  BDBinc

“It’s just because I have picked a little about mystics that I have no use for mystagogues. Real mystics don’t hide mysteries, they reveal them. They set a thing up in broad daylight, and when you’ve seen it it’s still a mystery. But the mystagogues hide a thing in darkness and secrecy, and when you find it, it’s a platitude.”

~ G. K. Chesterton

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 18, 2020 2:33 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

You mean, WikiLeaks hosting the “hacks”? The people I hear complaining about that are not wannabe liberals, but wannabe spies.

Jack(jim)
Jack(jim)
Apr 14, 2020 2:35 PM

A predicted 30% drop in UK GDP, compared to the 6% drop in 2008, is massive and modelled on an on/off closures over 6 months, with an initial 3 months complete house arrest of the population, followed by 3 months of a partial lock-down of the economy. The Covid reaction which has caused the collapse, not the virus itself, will inevitably cause a rise in discontent as the economic damage becomes apparent, as it did in the years after 2008.
The unemployed who are today cheering their own imprisonment will soon realize that they may never work again, and will overturn the moderate parties of Europe, who were suckered into these measures, with more extremist parties.
This is a win-win for the US and Steve Bannon’s ‘Populist Group’, who have been pushing far-right revolutions amongst the 27 EU states on behalf of the CIA for the past few years, as they have done for decades in South America.
We should be very worried how the people will react. If the far-right do get a hold of the populations minds as they did over Brexit, using US tech, Google, Facebook, YouTube, and the MSM media, then there will be a big shift to the far right.

The Left in the UK have been totally destroyed and are left shadow boxing antisemitism and racism, rather than any of the real economic concerns of the British people. And having not opposed the ‘shut-down’ will be equally to blame for the damage. In the US following Sanders surrender, AOC is left defending ‘illegal’ immigrants, after approving the biggest transfer of wealth in history to the richest people on the planet.
The far-right will be quickly on the case in the council estates of the UK blaming some fictions ‘global conspiracy’ our own democracies, which will be left in a distressed state, like some busted weimar republic of the 30’s.
In the US Trump is already stealing the lefts popular policies, of student debt forgiveness, (one-off) universal income and opening the door to free healthcare, via Covid19 treatment. The far-right ar ensuring that all the exits are covered and the left will be unable to offer anything different, as Trump adds ‘socialism’ to his nationalistic agenda and National Socialism finally goes mainstream again.

paul
paul
Apr 14, 2020 5:06 PM
Reply to  Jack(jim)

Boynie has just endorsed Creepy Joe, to everybody’s surprise and amazement.
Starmer is breaking all records in grovelling on his belly to the Zionist Mafia.

What Left???

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 15, 2020 7:51 AM
Reply to  paul

Maybe there was a real, mass Left back in the 1960s or something, but now the ‘Left’ (or whatever you’d call it) equates to creatures like Louis Proyect, Noam Chumpski, Amy Goodman and er, Bernie Sanders. Where did it all go wrong?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 15, 2020 11:57 AM
Reply to  Jack(jim)

Sounds like an opportunity as much as an accurate prediction. Who is “the left” of which you speak? Sir Kier ‘parbaked pasty’ Starmer? Who need the new left when Corbyn has shown how far a no-chance, formally thwarted backbencher can–nevertheless–can get. How long was Corbyn’s first leadership campaign, from token nothing to actual winner? A few weeks?

Tutisicecream
Tutisicecream
Apr 14, 2020 2:03 PM

We see the increasing odiousness of the state and the MSM working hand in glove to oppress freedom and openness in society. Instead of upholding these rights as a democratic government should we see the punishing of Julian Assange for no crime other than exposing their crimes?

An example which we now see is being rolled out to everyone.

Don’t think you can protest, don’t think you can picnic in the park anymore or even party in your own home! The police will force you to take the medicine Bill and Malinda have sold to your government. Welcome to the foundation. Trust in the foundation. The Welcome Trust Foundation. Covid na, na.. nineteen.

When visiting Mr. Charrington in Orwell’s 1984, Winston sees the picture of St. Clement’s Lane Church for the first time. This picture, and its accompanying rhyme, become symbols of the past for Winston. Thought crime that the state cannot take away from him, or so he thought.

Oranges and lemons,
Say the bells of St. Clement’s.
You owe me five farthings,
Say the bells of St. Martin’s.
When will you pay me?
Say the bells at Old Bailey.
When I grow rich,
Say the bells at Shoreditch.
When will that be?
Say the bells of Stepney.
I do not know,
Says the great bell at Bow.
Here comes a candle to light you to bed,
And here comes a chopper to chop off your head!
Chip chop, chip chop.. the last man is dead…

Thom
Thom
Apr 14, 2020 1:59 PM

The BBC seem to be ramping up their ‘debunking’ of the 5G ‘conspiracy theory’. Strangely enough, it seems to be the corporate media who are both trying to promote and knock down this particular theory. Did someone say ‘CIA smokescreen’?

paul
paul
Apr 14, 2020 5:08 PM
Reply to  Thom

Eamonn Holmes looks like getting the boot merely for suggesting it shouldn’t be dismissed and criminalised out of hand.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Apr 14, 2020 7:46 PM
Reply to  Thom

Even the main news here in Ireland had a snippet of 5g conspiracy. Two towers supposedly damaged in Donegal. Weren’t even 4g towers.

I think its a stunt to kill the 5g arguments.

5g is good for you.

Questioning 5g is bad for you

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 15, 2020 1:27 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

The ever odious ABC here in Australia had a little piece of poison on that very subject today.
They said that the ‘Coronavirus pandemic had bought out all sorts of fringe conspiracy theorists into the open, especially those involved in propagating 5G and Anti Vax theories’.
They added that people should only trust authoritative and trustworthy sources! Like the mainstream media!

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 7:52 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

The Great Guru, Norman Swan, was wheeled out on the ABC the other night to attack Chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. He lied through his teeth, and is usually much more careful about his dissembling, so this must be a priority operation. He dismissed ivermectin, already used in humans for decades to treat numerous parasitic illnesses, and taken by c.200 million people a year, and credited with virtually eliminating the scourge of ‘river blindness’, as ‘sheep dip’, apparently because it is used in veterinary medicine, too. And the usual lies about the hideous ‘ side-effects’ of CQ and HCQ. They are all scum, without exception.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 17, 2020 2:31 PM

Have just sat thru season 3 of One Foot In The Grave, (second hand) because I really needed some laughs. And then I read your reply. Sigh.
Just to repeat my observations about the media in Australia:
Scumbucket Dog Poo Jellified Zombified Presstitute Filth. In no particular order. With respect, I don’t know how you can listen to the pricks without kicking your TV. We Know Who They Serve. And it’s Not Us.
I was offered an interview via my Housing organisation with The Age newspaper here in Melbourne to do a ‘sympathy peice’ on how Coronavirus had affected my livelihood and caused me great hardship, etc.
Given my above views on the MSM, and given their rank bastardry against Julian Assange plus myriad other things including being full blown supporters of Neoliberalism, I refused to do it as I already know the angle they would have taken with the story.
It’s about keeping your principles and ethics.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Apr 15, 2020 2:36 AM
Reply to  Thom

Those who oppose 5G because of the dangers it poses to life and limb are tilting at the wrong windmill. The dangers posed by this technology are to freedom and democracy but like all technologies from the beginning of time its never the actual technology that’s the problem, its who gets to control it and how its used.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 7:53 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

What ‘democracy’? Where? When?

BDBinc
BDBinc
Apr 27, 2020 4:45 AM

Yes the democracy Dogma must be ready to crumble …and what “left “?
Govt 100% right winger to the very core the only reason they have fake ” different “parties ( ideology) to get all the idiot voters
And (controlled) opposition to stop the public opposing them.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 15, 2020 12:15 PM
Reply to  Thom

“The BBC seem to be ramping up their ‘debunking’ of the 5G ‘conspiracy theory’.”

Everyone of the BBC’s ‘reliability’ and ‘importance’ is–not ‘seems to be’–, ramping up their debunking of the 5G ‘conspiracy’ theory. 5G as the seriously heavily financed missing link. See (Dr) Andrew Kaufman for an interesting exosome theory (and maybe–though not raised by Kaufman, who is on a different tack–even an intimately SARS-CoV-5G ‘binaried’ conpiracy-theory-to-be).

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 7:57 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

While the 5G ‘conspiracy theory’ is heavily promoted by the MSM liars, REAL issues, like the USA’s MASSIVE bio-warfare research establishment with its heavy emphasis on bat coronaviruses, the closure by the US CDC of Fort Detrick last year over problems with waste disposal, the three newly identified sub-types of CoVid 19, with histories that debunk the ‘Made in Wuhan’ lies, the fact of the first Wuhan cluster of infections being, coincidentally of course, in the hotel where the US delegation to the World Military Games stayed, just near the fish market, etc, etc, etc, are all simply ignored or denied.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 7:45 AM
Reply to  Thom

It kills two birds at once. 5G doesn’t cause CoVid 19, but by debunking the useful idiots it closes down discussion of the real dangers of radio-frequency radiation.

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Apr 14, 2020 1:53 PM

Assange, a political prisoner in the UK. There’s no other way to describe his reprehensible incarceration.

MLS
MLS
Apr 15, 2020 9:29 AM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Why do you think he’s locked up at all? He’s in ‘solitary’ because he’s not really there. Jesus, hasn’t the covid19 globalist psychodrama finally revealed to you that everything is a soap opera?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 7:57 AM
Reply to  MLS

Your bubble reputation just burst.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 18, 2020 3:05 AM
Reply to  MLS

From what I’ve seen, they played a comparable gambit with the Unabomber. National Geographic did a big show on all that and, for those watching such spook soap operas the last 10 to 50 years, they try to make up with the gloss of high production values, NG being the shiniest, what they lack in credible evidence, just another form of smoke and mirrors. If you follow just what’s known about Kaczinsky, he is really made the dog in a lurid dog ‘n pony show, but without much cred. At the end, an FBI agent says, in a pastel deco studio shot, as a sign off, “Ted Kaczinsky got what he deserved” and the camera cuts to a dark and empty bowels of the max penitentiary, but no Kaczinsky.

Get it? Just an empty, somber “mausoleum”.

But where oh where is Ted?

Seriously, that’s Hollywood.

BDBinc
BDBinc
Apr 27, 2020 4:48 AM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Assange has always been CIA.
You mean alleged incarceration.
Hanging out with other celebs in an embassy because why is that you say the CIA don’t know how to assassinate?
So naive people can’t use logic and reason anymore. Whatever crap the media feeds them they eat it without question.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 14, 2020 1:49 PM

And CraigMurrays twitter is now just blank except fora blue bird!

Lol

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 14, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Cleared cookies and its back..

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 14, 2020 1:17 PM

Well, well, well. CNN host has epiphany: “I don’t like what I do professionally,” Cuomo said. “I don’t think it’s worth my time.” He said he disliked ‘talking to Democrats about things I don’t really believe they mean’. The 49-year-old told his listeners: ‘I don’t want to spend my time trafficking in things that I think are ridiculous’.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 14, 2020 1:16 PM

The only thing keeping hospital staff safe is the fact that the virus is not very dangerous for  the vast majority of the population. If it were really dangerous like the Spanish flu, which killed 30%, then there wouldn’t be a single ‘hero’ anywhere near any of our hospitals, they would have hung up their love of medicine and people months ago.  
‎ But if you want to exaggerate the dangers to justify the home arrest, then  pretend equipment can keep you safe, and tell the media to talk endlessly about PPE (just as relivant as philosophy politics & economics). Rather than asking why the hell are we destroying our economy and the lives of the British  people to achieve nothing.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 14, 2020 1:50 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)
clickkid
clickkid
Apr 14, 2020 1:52 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Yeah – the flu wave’s late this year-

Jack(jim)
Jack(jim)
Apr 14, 2020 3:12 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Another hocky stick graph, we can rely on.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 7:59 AM
Reply to  Jack(jim)

Hockey stick graphs simply illustrate exponential changes-do you deny them all out of some sporting prejudice? Would you prefer a lacrosse stick distribution, perhaps?

Objective
Objective
Apr 14, 2020 7:08 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

And very interestingly wont be able to prove one way or another if these draconian undemocratic restrictions even had any effect in achieving there aim.

porkpie
porkpie
Apr 14, 2020 11:52 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

30% of what?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 15, 2020 12:28 PM
Reply to  porkpie

30% of what?

30% of 100%.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Apr 17, 2020 8:25 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Damn it Robbo, there i was thinking it was 30% of 200% :- so, now you’ve burst my bubble, is it not time for some more Ethel Merman ? like, errr… maybe,

“Annie get yer’ Gun…” & Walk-man ?

Remind me: how many times was she actually married ?
Do you think she sang with glee, when disseminating her marching orders?
Or just put the headphones on and reached for her polished Winchester ? 🙂 😉

TFS
TFS
Apr 14, 2020 1:10 PM

Just wondering how many of the Bridage77 and state familiars are gonna get on in on this piece?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 14, 2020 1:53 PM
Reply to  TFS

Why should they? It’s their piece. The Groaniad is running it. It is publicising the identities which were made public by the magesterium. Against the defences call for them not be.

Betrayed planet
Betrayed planet
Apr 14, 2020 12:35 PM

Don’t know what the problem is Offg but I have posted several comments which have gone missing.

Betrayed planet
Betrayed planet
Apr 14, 2020 12:31 PM

The persecution of Assange is now complete. With Covid now rampaging through prisons and care homes the chances of his survival ( not withstanding his lung condition and enormous stress from torture) are very slim long term.
That the Johnson regime are using Covid as a cover for a eugenics programme is in my opinion beyond doubt. My son a young registrar explained to me like I was stupid that the NHS cannot take people from care homes to ICU. They cannot be intubated so can only receive oxygen. The word is out, if you are in a care home, tough, bye bye. This appears to be acceptable to the bulk of the medical profession though I am sure that many may find this situation deeply disturbing.
For those who would like to write to Assange below is his address. Receiving mail from supporters must surely help with the isolation and loneliness. Please include prison number and DOB as otherwise he will not receive it.
J Assange, No A9379AY. DOB 3/7/1971. HMP Belmarsh, Western Way Prison, SE28-OEB

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 14, 2020 12:40 PM

“With Covid now rampaging through prisons ”

Relly – how many have died so far?

Annie McStravic
Annie McStravic
Apr 14, 2020 5:04 PM
Reply to  clickkid

It is rampaging through the prisons, 38 of them so far, i.e. one third of the prisons in England and Wales. Nine inmates already died last week. And according to figures published, at 5 p.m. on Sunday, a further 107 prisoners were infected with the coronavirus, as well as 19 prison staff. Those figures will only increase. Obviously.

[NOTE: These numbers don’t mean very much or suggest any increase on there own, unless compared to ‘normal’ statistics -ED]

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 8:00 AM

A downvote for facts. I’m surprised it’s only one.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 15, 2020 12:37 PM

“They cannot be intubated so can only receive oxygen. The word is out, if you are in a care home, tough, bye bye. This appears to be acceptable to the bulk of the medical profession though I am sure that many may find this situation deeply disturbing.”

Perhaps not quite so many: VAP.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 8:01 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

A swift death, or a long, drawn-out, nassty one. That’s the choice.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 17, 2020 12:35 PM

Richard, of course you have every right to be alarmed and to express that, but you are frequently chipping in with foreboding, fact-free, one-liner pronouncements recently. This actively contributes to levels of fuzzy, unsourced alarm, which severely hampers free conversation on this topic. You certainly are doing this a lot atm. Please can you dial this back, or provide sources to give your observations some credence/context. Thanks. A2

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Apr 17, 2020 8:47 PM

Richard: how’s life without legs ? You ageist fucker ! The reason I say this to you, is explicitly because, only 2 years ago, I was nursing a friend’s father, who’d just had his second leg removed: handling the whole sorry medical affair in a form of German, namely Austrian, communicating with his Doctors and son (often sadly absent due to commitments) >>> Trust is a funny ole’ thing that can be lost in a second and your flippant humour can strike nerves or the absence of same, if you have just had your legs removed …

In fairness, subsequently, you paid me a compliment once, regarding horses etc. & mountain pastures: for which I was also grateful.

Perhaps I should have acknowledged that: my bad, surely, however, ich war abgeneigt, because sometimes your well worthy sarcastic humour can strike nerves in ways that you cannot imagine: the reason I say this is because my wife’s father’s legs were also removed one by one, before his slow subsequent death and it is an extremely painful process, largely NOT for the person who has lost their legs or the ability to use their legs >>> of course, naturally i realised, you were just joking, but I have the feeling that VERY often you could be contributing more constructive thought and perhaps be a tad more considerate of other’s potential reality, as we age … just a thought 😉

jay
jay
Apr 14, 2020 12:12 PM

Some people have been saying that wikileaks is a ‘limited hangout’…

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Apr 14, 2020 12:54 PM
Reply to  jay

I’ve sometimes wondered about that myself. Assange is not very solid on some issues–for example, on 9/11. Not only does he seem to swallow the official story for the most part, but sort of like Noam Chomsky, he doesn’t even seem to think it terribly important, which is disconcerting.

But even if Julian has sometimes pulled his punches, the fact that the Washington DC Mafia has made it a priority to break him publicly just shows us all how incredibly far gone they are. They apparently don’t believe themselves to be in a position to tolerate even a limited hangout!

jay
jay
Apr 14, 2020 1:33 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

WikiLeaks has told me nothing I did not know already.
No exposure of Israel either, another failed acid test.

jim
jim
Apr 14, 2020 5:40 PM
Reply to  jay

Because you haven’t looked. They’ve published millions of documents. Only god almighty -if he/she/it exists- knows everything.

jay
jay
Apr 14, 2020 5:54 PM
Reply to  jim

They’ve already been examined by millions of pairs of eyes…and out of all those millions of documents…nothing, not a sniff, not a whiff.
Plenty of unsurprising dirt on the Yanks of course…
If you have ‘found anything’ on 9/11 or Israel in wikileaks, feel free to post the link.

BDBinc
BDBinc
Apr 27, 2020 4:52 AM
Reply to  jim

They’ve only published what was wanted to be released all (unverified) the truth would be a thousand times worse if released.Assange & Wikileaks are both CIA tools.
Thats what hes a celeb and not dead .

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 14, 2020 7:21 PM
Reply to  jay

“No exposure of Israel either”

Julian Assange/ Wikileaks have always made it clear that they are there to publish information supplied to them by third party whistle blowers. JA and Wikileaks are not computer hackers, investigators or ‘conspiracy theorists’. Information is passed to them by third parties, which they scrutinise, and liaise with the third parties as necessary, to validate the credibility of the information. Julian Assange probably has opinions on any number of issues but it is not his job to provide opinion pieces.

So it’s all very well critics asking why he hasn’t provided revealing information about A, B or C. Unless a whistle blower comes to him voluntarily with new suppressed information, there is nothing for him to publish.

jay
jay
Apr 14, 2020 7:31 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

We didn’t know Americans were providing death from the sky…sure…

axisofoil
axisofoil
Apr 15, 2020 4:30 AM
Reply to  jay
John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 16, 2020 6:30 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

JudyJ, what you give is the standard disclaimer for JA, all fine and we’ll, but as MLS and Jay have suggested, it all doesn’t go very far. The MSM, and alt-MSM (which together comprise 99.99% of what we know about JA & CO.) have made a 14 year to-do about all the leaked secrets, but there are not many ‘secrets’ that were worth very much. Which all speaks to the argument it was all limited hangout, chickenfeed, and much ado about not much.

And then this ensuing “psycho-drama” for 10 years +, a sort of high brow variation on the MSM theme of car chases, et al.

The preponderance of evidence, at a certain tipping point, leads close (enough) watchers to believe it’s all staged by the people Mr. Assange says we should beware?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 16, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  John ErvIn

John

Thanks for this. But a genuine question – to what end?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 16, 2020 12:15 PM
Reply to  John ErvIn

Sorry, John. Ignore my post at 12.13. I see you have covered the broader picture in other posts which I shall study with interest. No need for you to repeat it all again. 😀

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 15, 2020 12:24 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Chicken Feed Leaks + key Limited Hangout: This has been the core complaint I’ve heard, all along, and it’s very very hard to disprove, but I will add a more serious complaint, or at least a question: “Whom did the WikiLeaks that precipitated the (so-called) Arab Spring benefit MORE in the Middle East MORE than international corporate interests and specifically those hard-core corporate and fascist interests like the Muslim Brotherhood, in Egypt, Tunisia and elsewhere? I listened live while a president-to-be, forgot his name but it’s easy to find, stood at the platform podium in Tahrir Square, Cairo, and rallied the crowd in the early days, saying something much like, “If I don’t bring about the changes you’re asking in 6 MONTHS, I will step down from this podium and join you in the streets.”

I thought, well there’s a man to be admired! He’s put it on the line, he’s rolled up his sleeves and he’s ready to fight, or perhaps what’s more, legislate.

Then I saw a picture on the stands a month later of that Arab Spring day above the fold of NYT and he was standing next to the head of the Muslim Brotherhood. (Oh brother, do they have a bloody history, and a fascist one to be real sure. And we know what became of that would-be and soon-to-be leader of Egypt the next few years. Not a good end. I can’t remember all the details, and have greener pastures at the moment, but I have got the basic storyline straight… Ruin.)

In destabilizing the Middle East, as Obama & Co. charged, Assange & Co. created a power vacuum which sucked in all kinds of corporatist interests that were waiting just for that green light.

It’s not hard to make a case for “weaponized limited hangout”, in the appearance of WikiLeaks on that horizon, at that moment. Almost like it was by long design.

In the midst of Covid with my own issues, I don’t have the time to do all the rewind of historical homework, Im not writing an Essay, just a provocative comment, but people who remember that score are welcome to refute or approve, with fact checks.

I met a Coptic priest at the time, by chance in a Fry’s parking lot loading his bags in his van, in black robes I recognized, who was actually from Egypt, and I ran that analysis past him, and he said after each point, “Yep, yep, and yep” and said it all matched up in fine, with what he knew, also saying you wouldn’t find any of it in MSM.

But I put that out here to give some basis for why Mr. Assange struck me from the getgo as an agent provocateur. And it’s been a slippery slope after that, also.

I can’t say for sure, but it certainly puts him in a shady spot in “my book”. My main point is, I don’t think he passes the sniff test. Can we endorse him with all that baggage.

And there’s a lot more. I have posted elsewhere the tons of reportage, documented, at spitfire list.com Any rebuttals to those well-sourced caveats, there?

??

http://spitfirelist.com/news/julian-assange-shows-his-true-colors-jewish-conspiracy-against-wikileaks/

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 15, 2020 7:47 AM
Reply to  John ErvIn

MORSI. That was the man ~who recently died in prison (June ’19) amid claims of not getting medical care~ who gave the rousing speech in Tahrir Square early February 2011. And became 15 months later the rather fast and furious 5,the President of Egypt, succeeding Mubarak. I was not that surprised just now to read he got his PhD at USC (where 1 of my 2 big sisters went to college, and my father taught law) before he taught at Cal State U. Northridge (where the other sister got her teaching degree). Amazing.

He was an extreme Islamist, head of the Freedom and Justice Party, but more long-term a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

He was an expert in precision metal surfaces and worked for NASA on the metal of the Space Shuttle engines. (Remarkably, as in worth remark: one of my earliest childhood memories of my attorney father’s clientele, was Otto Podeyne, founder of Precision Sheet Metal, and his son Clark, whose picture is in my highschool yearbook as a fellow cadet at Harvard School (Army ROTC), in North Hollywood, not far in “The Valley” from CSUN. Even less shocking would be to find some of that is connected. In any event, it is worth exploring that Morsi was a VERY non-secular Islamist who trained in SoCal at USC, and a Muslim Brotherhood corporatist who worked for NASA, raised to Egypt’s Presidency by forces that were put into play through revelations that were brought about by WikiLeaks of Mr. Julian Assange?

See what I’m getting at here? A complex tapestry of interwoven psyops that caused regime-toppling and/or threatening upheaval in Egypt, Libya, Syria, and Tunisia. The populist revolutionary language Morsi pitched at Tahrir Square probably was learned at USC… It sounded awfully Thomist: 2 Tom’s, Paine and/or Jefferson.

His MB Party members had been responsible for the hideous and horrific ambush and bloody assassination of Egypt’s peace president, Anwar Sadat.

Just as Omidyar of eBay heavily bankrolled Modi of India, whose party traces back to the RSS and its assassin Godse, and their heartless murder of Gandhi.

See how this all fits together, and the Assange leaks impact has a traceable connection to all of those plot lines?

That long-suffering freedom and truth lover, on that noble quest of his, on all our behalf?

But that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.

MLS
MLS
Apr 15, 2020 9:34 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

The word to note is ‘publicly’. They have publicly made Assange an undeniable opposition figure. He’s ‘persecuted’. He’s almost deified.

Next step, put into his mouth anything you want the anti-establishment proles to believe.

Or ‘kill’ him and blame the coronavirus.

Or whatever. You have created a hugely useful tool for any number of purposes.

He ain’t in Belmarsh. And he wasn’t in the embassy. He’s laughing at us. And so are his masters.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 16, 2020 5:38 AM
Reply to  MLS

MLS: Those have been my suspicions, that he’s a ‘deified’ con artist with govt allies, or handlers, but I’m glad you said it for me. The readers here are mostly pro-Assange, mostly I’m neutral, I don’t really know enough (if enough is even an option) but it’s surely all right to question more.

Talk about crisis acting, this whole WikiLeaks thing seemed like a black op from the beginning. People who are still in the realm of checkers champions, and don’t know much about chess, or its complex strategies, and levels of strategic game-playing, buy into the whole WikiLeaks thing, spectacle, as if it absolutely MUST be what it appears to be on its face.

That is not meant as a dismissive crack, just a way of framing how involved these foreign policy gambits can be, and most people read the news as good guys and bad guys, because they don’t have the time to study deep, or whatever, but a surface view hardly covers it. They believe SO easily the alt-MSM story that Assange is some knight in shining armor, which in itself ought to make you grab for your wallet, protectively.

What? In out Theatre State, almost nothing is what it appears to be. Finding that out, for most people, can be not only a revelation, but very confusing, but it is a step to freeing up your mind.

I’m shocked that more thoughtful people haven’t questioned WikiLeaks more deeply. I don’t know enough, myself, I confess, but I’ve studied it enough for red flags to go up on Assange’s “bona fides”, or lack.

The lack of questions must tell us a lot about the powers of “perception management” that we contend with, all the time. Out there.

So much is staged.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 16, 2020 5:58 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Chomsky was asked by Martin Schotz his views about the JFK Assassination, and he said he had “no opinion”.

That really bothered Schotz so much he wrote about it, incredulously, questioning Chomsky’s whole schtick, “How could he not have an opinion?!”

Chomsky is at MIT forever, as a resident gadfly. A resident Ivy League gadfly.

MIT, like Harvard and Yale, are well known as CIA hatcheries. 80 to 90 years ago, Dr. John Trump was there, tenured, and seized Tesla’s estate, his papers, when he died in early ’43.

3 days later, he said they weren’t of much practical interest, at all.

jim
jim
Apr 14, 2020 5:33 PM
Reply to  jay

So then why is he in a high security prison right now?

jay
jay
Apr 14, 2020 5:55 PM
Reply to  jim

Sure.

MLS
MLS
Apr 15, 2020 9:35 AM
Reply to  jim

Wrong question. Remove the ‘why’ and ask again.

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
Apr 14, 2020 6:13 PM
Reply to  jay

While I agree with the condemnation of “limited hangouts,” I think it needs to be tempered with acknowledgment that human beings may be courageous or intellectually curious (or conforming to our own mindsets) on one issue and not another – not heroes but human beings, like ourselves. Obviously, when these blind spots become blinders, producing enormous self-contradictions, we can reject the totality of that person’s thought. When someone is being denied the liberties we enjoy even now, held in captivity and tortured for extraordinary courage in certain crucial areas, rejection is hypocritical and inhumane.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 15, 2020 3:50 AM
Reply to  nondimenticare

Excellent point, and I was going to add it as a PS or NB to my other comments upthread, but you did and saved me that.

But, adding this: I think many of these whistleblowers may be compromised, constrained, conflicted, and all kinds of binds that keep them from full hero status. We had a pastor at a church in Cleveland during Clinton’s White House scandals, and she wrote a piece for the Plain Dealer that she also preached, using King David’s biblical fall from grace, on several occasions, as a model: “Heroes are not heroic, most of the time.”

That said, that is not the issue we should have with Assange, but rather what is his overall direction, and that of his cohorts, like Snowden, Greenwald, Poitras, and a lot of others?

They are tied in, more than merely by tangent, to someone serious Nazis (with a capital N) like Carl Lundstrom of Sweden, Sandoz Labs, Pierre Omidyar of eBay, who funds a lot of right-wing, or reich-wing candidates, and many, many, many others.

You start digging into all that, and you’ll things that are distinctly anti-heroic. You start stitching them all together, and there are just way too many to think casually connected. There’s a pattern. Few dig. (That’s pretty alarming itself!)

I like many an anti-hero, just not that kind.

Their “stuff” seriously stinks.

But don’t trust me, or my “typical canards” as someone put it here, just see for yourself.

I would love to find they’re doing good, or even a kind of good, or maybe I’d settle for just “not too bad” or even half-bad.

I keep picking up clues that the reality is much worse than all of that.

I just ask for a typically fierce OffGuardian-esque fact-finding about those guys, of whom Assange is the ring-leader, oops, primary face.

That’s all. Anything less will keep me scratching my head….

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 15, 2020 3:53 AM
Reply to  John ErvIn

NB I forgot to put in a semi-colon after Lundstrom’s name. I don’t know if Sandoz is still Nazi, but I believe its roots go deep in that. I don’t know for a fact if Omidyar is such, but he funds a LOT of right wings. But Lundstrom is pretty far right.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 15, 2020 5:38 AM
Reply to  John ErvIn

As my Exhibit A in such types, I present TIMOTHY LEARY. I was raised in California with friends who, though quite brilliant in many respects (artists, teachers, musicians, scientists, writers), nearly to a man, woman, treated Leary as a guru with veneration, a whole Cultus revolved around him, out here, in the 60s and 70s. I found him, for my own part, distinctly repellent. I didn’t like him at all, and I would wonder why I was “odd man out” in that opinion.

He, like Assange, later hosted his own radio show on a rather lightweight band of the dial on AM, I think KIIS. Very frivolous fare. He would bemuse the county with traffic reports like, “It’s 5pm, and the cars are floating off the 405.”

Then he co-hosted the show with G. Gordon Liddy, who “coincidentally” had been the first FBI Agent to hassle him in the ’60s in Duchess County NY at the Mellon Compound, pretty darned rich fellow travellers, the Mellon heiresses.

G. Gordon Liddy, one of the most sinister Black Opsters in CIA annals, or the history of the entire country. Even he knows it.

They did a SoCal radio show together, and still nobody caught on. I actually know a guy, Rainbow Reid, who entertained Leary often at his place in Laguna Canyon, he denies it vehemently when I tell him, “Leary rolled over on all of you. He was a deep state informant and snitched you all off. He sold you all out whenever it served his purpose.”

He wouldn’t have any of that, for him it’s local mythology that Leary was a seer, a visionary of higher purpose. He would tell me ageless stories of that hippie holy man…

COVID 19 ER DISCLAIMER: Excuse me a moment, I have to find a bag here, or something, the toilets are taken….

……………..OK I’m back. Whew, that’s a LOT better.

Where was I?

Oh yes. Leary was such a compleat charlatan, a full-fledged SPY, a former West Point appointee (few know that) ~ but like others I’ve encountered of like ilk (Assange, for example), he took in and misled all kinds of major minds, apparently, like Marshall McLuhan, and had an endless list of literary and academic confidantes. I was raised around a lot of people like that, in Hollywood and Beverly Hills, so maybe I had my shots. But all kinds of smart people that I knew were not correctly innoculated -much like as from a vaccine that goes awry- and I still wonder why… Like Laura Huxley, Aldous’ widow, who struck me as a genuinely nice and sincere and honest person. She was good friends with Leary.

My point here, by comparison, there are a lot of similarities between Leary and Assange, even at first or second glance, but even far more if you go deeper.

My link between the two is that I really “didn’t like their faces”, not much at all.

And I am not alone, and I’ve met still others who share something of those strange qualities. Someone else who reminds me of those 2: Sir Simon Rattle, similar aura. The man is so brilliant, in certain ways, and a brilliant spokesman for so many of the causes that I cherish, promoting them with eloquence, like FESNOJIV, the Venezuelan government’s “El Sistema” that produced an incendiary talent like the current head of our Philarmonic here in LA, Gustavo Dudamel. I met Rattle when our Chorus sang with his in Birmingham, and we walked to Symphony Hall across Victoria Square, when I got the chance I had wanted, to see him at close range, since musicians in Cleveland were dead set against him inheriting the baton of their orchestra, which he later told us in rehearsal is the 1 that he prized as the “stretch limo” of orchestras. And it was something about the spirit in which it was undertaken, on the one occasion he conducted there. For all that, shortly afterwards he was elected by the musicians of the Berlin Philharmonic as their maestro. A similar thing to the allure and impression made by Leary and Assange: very eminent and expert authorities choosing him, worshipping him almost, and yet I and others had big problems with his spirit.

At least back in the 90s. Musicians can be mercurial in their developing characters, and I can hope that that mercury has been rising.)

But I know what makes me compare the three, Leary, Assange, and Rattle. I think I grasp the connection, but it’s awkward to name it concretely in full display. I’ll let others draw their own inferences. Perhaps they can see the connection. If not, it’s useless explaining it.

I use them as examples simply because they are very public, historical figures, so it’s a useful way to examine the issue, since there is a mountain of exemplifications for all of them, at arms’ reach.

Trust is a big issue, for all three. I don’t see those better qualities in any of them, yet SO many trust, almost implicitly, the three. They ALL have cadres of devotees.

I’ve met one acquaintance, when I mentioned Leary as an agent of black ops, that he said (he more or less let me know that he also was affiliated with The Company, himself), “Of *course* he was, that’s no secret, he talks straight up about it in his books, I’ve read them all. But he says their CIA plots out here backfired on them.”

And how much moral, bona fide weight does Leary’s word have? Then? Or now? He might say anything, but then again it might just be a black op. Truth is not a black op.

And just so, with Assange. And that whole type, or even “archetype”.

And yet, I know all kinds of people, whom you may well deem very good people, and whom I would call very good people, who would truly venerate such characters.

And God only knows if I can say WHY.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 14, 2020 11:56 AM

Binoy this is hidden in your piece

“the newly revealed identity of his partner, which Judge Baraitser refused to keep concealed.”

It should be the main point. It is the reason that the identities are revealed not just the relationship.

The secretive magistrate even refused to grant 14 days for further appeal. She always gad her judgements prewritten before arriving in court to hear the arguments. The red queen.

Off-G should be digging out and publishing about the secretive magistrate, her background, career, family, friends etc. Why aren’t you?

Liberté Chérie
Liberté Chérie
Apr 14, 2020 12:48 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Agree!

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Apr 14, 2020 2:00 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Dead right!

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 14, 2020 6:56 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

We already know quite a lot about this vicious Baraitser tool, (special thanks to Craig Murray) and in any case the identity of Assange’s partner really doesn’t hold a great deal of significance regarding his incarceration.
I very much support the idea of digging out and publishing about this so-called magistrate, but only when the mainstream media show an interest will that rock any boats. Surely of far more relevance is the urgent task of putting an end to Assange’s treasonous imprisonment. Then we can focus on rounding up the criminals responsible and nip in the bud the current fashion for protecting the guilty and persecuting those who reveal their guilt.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 15, 2020 12:51 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Eliot Higgins, currently starring on Al Jazeera, has shown you as a citizen journalist how to dig up dirt that reporters for establishment outlets like the Off-Guardian can’t detect. Have a go. Try adopting a pet cat from Cheshire.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 14, 2020 11:19 AM

“Even during the extradition hearings, he has been treated with a snooty callousness by District Court Judge Vanessa Baraitser, which does not bode well for a favourable finding against the US submission. ”

Actually, I strongly disagree with this very common and populist sentiment.

The idea that Baraitser is nothing more than a corrupt agent-of-the-state is one heavily promoted by people such as Craig Murray. I am not saying that I like her – I have no feelings positive or negative about Baraitser. But Murray’s dislike of her is in my opinion simply misogyny in disguise.

I also quite strongly disagree with much of what is said in alt media circles about Julian. I don’t agree with his incarceration, but I also don’t agree that Julian is some sort of a lowly and powerless victim of the state. A sentiment that is again popularised by Murray and others.

Murray is not the white knight that he likes to portray himself as. He is these days a shadow of his former self. A one time ambitious career diplomat and establishment toady who was honoured by the Queen for services rendered, he now refers bitterly to his former boss as “Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha”, a clear racist dig at the German roots of Queen’s father. (Her birth name was Elizabeth Windsor).

And he is also a radical Scottish nationalist who uses every opportunity to sing loudly about the abuses of the United Kingdom. Not because the country is bad (it’s Tory government is terrible) but because he wishes to see the founding of a Scottish state, which of course is likely (if it ever happens) to be just as corrupt if not more so than the British one.

Julian, in my view would be better promoted as a strong champion of political and personal freedoms and I am pleased that his relationship and his young children from that relationship are now being publicised. Hopefully (despite the attempts of the gutter mainstream media) he might come to be seen as a caring family man and that will bring more people to support his cause.

I don’t like to see Julian promoted as a weak and sick man. Yes, he is in difficulty, but I have seen no evidence that trying to promote the idea that his health is in jeopardy has ever helped him.

The issue with Baraitser in my opinion is this. She is a career lawyer and judge. She may (if we are going to play this game) have been profiled and chosen on the grounds (whether correct or not) that she might be more likely to find for the Americans. But she will not have been passed a packet of grubby fivers to give the Americans the nod!

Baraitser strikes me as a stickler for the rules. If the rules allowed for Julian to be set free then she would set him free. But they presumably do not. She knows that his supporters (including myself) want to see him released. But she is a judge. She cannot be swayed by the desires of others. But that includes his persecutors just as much as it does his supporters.

So while those who want Julian to be released are dismayed by her unwillingness to consider it, those who desire his extradition might also feel frustrated by her attitude to them.

This is why (in my opinion) it is vitally important to ignore the misogynistic rantings of people like Murray, and for Julian’s team to concentrate on doing their best to win Baraitser to their side. But she’s not going to give away her personal views on this matter! Just because she’s not giving the appearance of support for Julian does not mean that all is lost!

Julian and his team and his genuine supporters must never give up on their aim to see Julian freed. The extradition proceedings are not over. There is still all to play for.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 14, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

“The idea that Baraitser is nothing more than a corrupt agent-of-the-state is one heavily promoted by people such as Craig Murray. I am not saying that I like her – I have no feelings positive or negative about Baraitser. But Murray’s dislike of her is in my opinion simply misogyny in disguise.”

You’ve lost me.

Misogyny?????? – are years of reading the Guardian kicking in like a sleeper virus.

Of course she’s an agent of the state. She draws a salary from the state. She ceases to physically exist without the state.

Whatever or whomever Julian Assange is – and some of us have our doubts – it is clear that he must be defended.

lundiel
lundiel
Apr 14, 2020 12:45 PM
Reply to  clickkid

John Pretty hates Murray for some reason. He started ranting at me when I pointed out the royal family are German. But saved most of his ire for Murray. It’s weird. He also has a thing about Scottish nationalism.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 14, 2020 7:06 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Murray is outspoken, and doesn’t tolerate fools easily. Why should he? These are very serious matters, and I can well imagine myself carelessly making a comment which he would quickly annihilate because it was not sufficiently well supported with facts.
I say, fair enough, but others are easily offended.
“I have no feelings, positive, or negative, about Baraitser” is a comment which could only come from someone who has not been paying attention and who uses an awful lot of words to admit as much…

paul
paul
Apr 14, 2020 5:11 PM
Reply to  clickkid

But she’s one of the wimmin! She’s got a vagina!! She’s above criticism!!!
Like the Orange Baboon’s right-on appointment of Haspel as Torturer-In-Chief.
How diverse!

BDBinc
BDBinc
Apr 27, 2020 4:59 AM
Reply to  clickkid

Why ?
Why must a CIA agent that they have turned into a celeb hero be defended?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 14, 2020 11:48 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Who’s a Pretty parrot eh? Good boy say ‘Murrays a C***’ again. Good boy.

Are you denying Baraitser didn’t arrive in court with ‘her judgement ‘ already pre-written? She didn’t therefore have any intention to listen to any legal points raised by the defence (and indeed the prosecution)?
Are you denying that John? Simple question. Do answer it first in any reply.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 14, 2020 12:35 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

The same judge who at the very first hearing, which was essentially to defer the case to a future date, allowed neither Assange nor his lawyers to say anything other than to confirm his name and she still managed to declare that he was ‘clearly a narcissist’, which just happened to be the mainstream media’s assessment of him at that time.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 15, 2020 1:02 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

“[Baraitser] allowed neither Assange nor his lawyers to say anything other than to confirm his name and she still managed to declare that he was ‘clearly a narcissist’…”

How else would you describe someone in court for something that could have serious consequences who only confirmed his name? What does his name have to do with anything except extraordinary self regard. Go, Baraitser, go: your country is depending on you.

bob
bob
Apr 14, 2020 11:50 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

If you compare the process of what is happening in and around the court room and what the constitution says you will find that this whole goddam process stinks – Baraitser is no more than carrying out orders – what are American legal people interfering in the British judicial system for and why are they given so much room – British justice is being ‘outsourced’ to yet more Americans – (check the DWP for example) irrespective of who or what Assange represents – I have doubts about his defence team and what it is they expect to achieve because they do not appear to be trying very hard about anything

Objective
Objective
Apr 14, 2020 12:10 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I actually agree with much of what you say here, tho not with your faith in the establishment. Our judiciary are as corrupt as the “criminals ” they incarcerate.

Whilst I admire Assange for exposing the truth, I don’t have much respect for the manner in which he conducts his own personal life & like it or not its difficult to separate the two, even if it doesn’t warrant his imprisonment, it shouldn’t be used as a PR stunt to free or incarcerate him.

Lets stick to the facts of the charges against him. hes held in custody because hes a flight risk. Whether imprisonment is justified for such a “crime” is open to debate, clearly there has been much political conspiring to keep him where he is, which is clear evidence of judicial corruption.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 14, 2020 2:02 PM
Reply to  Objective

He hasn’t had much opportunity to conduct a personal life since Starmer rubber stamped his persecution…

Objective
Objective
Apr 14, 2020 3:50 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

The evidence suggests otherwise & of course given the circumstances in which he found himself was it responsible of him to father even more children?

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 14, 2020 7:19 PM
Reply to  Objective

No, the evidence does NOT suggest otherwise. Only the mainstream media and their owners suggest otherwise. And if fathering children is not banned by the authorities, who cares whether he did that or not? A bit of human warmth may have had far more significance for a tortured man than you can imagine.

Objective
Objective
Apr 14, 2020 8:13 PM
Reply to  wardropper

From what i gather the comment was about his private life which I replied to.

Whats legal, criminal or banned is an irrelevance, if his conduct is being used as a form of defense. eg. he is a father therefore the court should be lenient. Sadly i can see from you comment objectivity is something you are no familiar with. The Assange saga is one huge subjective & emotive mind fuck.

I comment on reflection of the known facts not emotion or political ideology. He is in a maximum security prison holding political prisoners (terrorists are political prisoners too , even if we don’t like their methods of practicing their politics.) because hes a flight risk & the state is run by vindictive callous psychopaths none of that justifies Assanges personal conduct traveling the globe making children he can not look after.

I disagree with the concept of prisons period!

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 14, 2020 10:08 PM
Reply to  Objective

In a max security prison WITHOUT being tried and convicted of any crime – let alone max security.

You’re spinning out of control – it would be funny if on purpose but it comes across as tragic.

Objective
Objective
Apr 14, 2020 11:31 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

I’m spinning nothing just stating the facts.

He broke the laws/rules they are prosecuting him for it. I don’t make the laws/rules & i don’t agree with them. But its the same rules for all of us (unless your are one of the elite).

They can justify their conduct & treatment of him under the law. yes its cruel, callous & vindictive but its still the law of the land

You’re welcome to it.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 15, 2020 3:03 AM
Reply to  Objective

Now you’re just quoting Obama, who wrote off Chelsea Manning – on camera – with the prejudiced remark, “He broke the law”… The fact remains that he did not, while the American Constitution and Bill of Rights are full of admonishments concerning what a good citizen must do when his own government gets out of hand. The government is, in fact, acting unlawfully and unconstitutionally, as well as simply making up the laws/rules as they go along. No, they cannot justify their conduct and treatment of him under the law. They have ignored the law, and they have broken it in order to have their way, which you have at least had the decency to admit is callous and vindictive. It is NOT the law of the land.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 15, 2020 8:41 AM
Reply to  Objective

Mr mcGoo you’ve walked into the cupboard again instead of tge front door – are you thick as well as blund?

” broke the laws/rules they are prosecuting him for ”

Can you tell us WHAT LAW HAS HE BROKEN?

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 15, 2020 3:03 AM
Reply to  Objective

His conduct ??? Nobody would talk about your conduct in your private life, but you seem to have adjudicated that he has no right to a private life. What you call “the known facts” are simply those facts which you have cherry-picked to suit your prior conviction that Assange is guilty of anything anybody decides to charge him with.
Our country is overflowing with people making children they cannot look after, but they don’t end up in Belmarsh.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 15, 2020 1:17 PM
Reply to  Objective

We’re all so glad you think that woman of no consequence (the one with the kids) who obviously couldn’t look after a chihuahua, was such a loose slag as to let him get away with it. She was probably scagged out and unconscious at the times. Dissolute bint.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 14, 2020 7:16 PM
Reply to  Objective

It takes more than calling yourself “Objective” to make your sense of judgement fit the name.
Selecting what is relevant and important from a million facts is, of course, rather difficult to do “objectively” for any of us, but one should at least try. Serial killers are treated better than Assange, whose personal life is not criminal, and is therefore none of our business. Also, the charges against him are built upon thin air, and have no basis in a normal conception of justice. Here, justice is presuming to support the mass murder perpetrated by those associated with Assange’s prosecution. A “just” magistrate would throw the whole thing out on its ear.

Objective
Objective
Apr 14, 2020 11:31 PM
Reply to  wardropper

A “just magistrate” what an oxymoron!

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 15, 2020 3:06 AM
Reply to  Objective

Well, exactly. But I don’t know that all magistrates are as unjust as this one. She’s a psychotic harpy, chosen precisely for those qualities to do a hatchet job on somebody upon whom the US “authorities” want to take its revenge.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 15, 2020 3:07 AM
Reply to  wardropper

their revenge, I mean.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 16, 2020 1:08 PM
Reply to  wardropper

What you, and many others, say about Assange makes sense, if he is who he says he is. My other posts go into the big conflicts in that storyline with a lot of known and documented facts about him.

In short, I genuinely, sincerely, “suspect” that he’s a psyop by the very people he pretends to fight.

The history of spying is full of such people, it’s inherent to spying, so why not Mr. Assange, as a double, or triple, agent. As I point out, Timothy Leary is an insidious example. I know, personally, people who still swear to me he was a great man. And they knew him PERSONALLY. Intelligent people, well, arguably anyway.

He is proveably, now, a plant, an informant, a major cultural black op, and even a spymaster of other agents, patsies, etc.

Other than that, a great guy.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Reply to  John ErvIn

What you say is all perfectly possible, of course.
My own focus is upon what we know WikiLeaks has indisputably uncovered so far, and I would say that what Assange is currently undergoing is hardly a price worth paying for something you don’t even believe in yourself. I have seen several interviews with him, and while he may indeed be merely a consummate actor, he doesn’t appear to be suffering under the enormous burden which liars traditionally bear: That of having to make a new lie match the lies you told a few years ago. Assange’s factual knowledge seems to stream fairly effortlessly from his lips, and I certainly find him very credible.
Your scenario must also, however, be given due credit as a possibility. I’m obviously not sufficiently on the inside to know the truth for certain, but the lengths to which the “official persecution” is prepared to go in its disgusting show trial would indicate to me that they see him as the worst of all possible threats to their corrupt agenda.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 15, 2020 1:09 PM
Reply to  Objective

“I don’t have much respect for the manner in which [Assange] conducts his own personal life…”

Would that be based on your personal knowledge of his personal life, the opinion of those personally involved with him as relayed by them to you personally, or what you personally have read about his personal life as abandoned in the Tube?

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 14, 2020 1:56 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

A cynical analysis of how to select ‘suitable candidates’….

Stonky
Stonky
Apr 14, 2020 2:16 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

It’s really good of you to come on here and provide us with a more accurate picture of real events. This for example:

A one time ambitious career diplomat and establishment toady who was honoured by the Queen for services rendered

Murray makes a big deal of the fact that he didn’t believe in the Honours system, and thrice refused Honours he was offered. Now that we have someone who knows the truth of the matter, it would be great if you could tell us which Honour it was that he accepted, and a bit more of the background detail, so we can confound him next time he mentions it…

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 14, 2020 2:37 PM
Reply to  Stonky

You don’t get to be an ambassador unless you are world class establishment toady. Murray discovered things so horrific even his little toady mind was disturbed. To me he is a ridiculous character, a very intelligent man whose toadyism and fanboyism have got the better of him.

Telling Scots to stand up to the English oppressor and prepare to face the British army is ludicrous enough even if you didn’t know he himself was English . The conspiracy theory that Sturgeon got her pals to make false accusations against Salmond suggests to me that he has lost the plot.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/01/yes-minister-fan-fiction/

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 14, 2020 4:16 PM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Not a theory a fact.

“As detailed in that Wings article, unlike the Guardian and the Times, for example, I omitted in my reporting the fact that one of the accusers had been present at a meeting with Nicola Sturgeon and Geoff Aberdein on 29 March 2018, precisely because to include it could have lead to her easy identification. I was much more careful than the mainstream media – but they were not threatened with contempt of court or banned from covering the trial.”
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/04/information-wars-part-2/

Not reported in msm or much ‘alt-news media either…

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 8:11 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

McGoon is NOTHING if not a liar.

andy ellis
andy ellis
Apr 14, 2020 3:31 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Are we talking about the same Baraitser, who refused to allow Assange or his defence team to speak at he initial hearing other than to affirm his identity, which is essential , if you are to play their game ? Surely not that Baraitser. Have I missed something ?

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 14, 2020 7:22 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

24 vote downs at time of writing this, John. Superlatively well-earned!

Basher
Basher
Apr 14, 2020 8:08 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Down vote from me for this retarded shite. ‘ misogyny ‘ -ha!! What the fuck? Oh, the poor queen – boo hoo

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 8:07 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Slimiest Integrity Initiative disinfo YET!

Devan Maistry
Devan Maistry
Apr 14, 2020 10:55 AM

OffGuardian spreads Communist virus. The Julian judge, Vanessa Baraitser sings ‘No trials like show trials’.

http://drowningwitches.com/2020/04/13/green-new-world/

Watt
Watt
Apr 15, 2020 12:50 AM
Reply to  Devan Maistry

Thanks. Useful for me.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 14, 2020 10:33 AM

THe strange childhood of Julian Assange:

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 14, 2020 12:32 PM
Reply to  clickkid

MLS
MLS
Apr 14, 2020 10:08 AM

Am I the only one who is beginning to think pretty much everything we have been subjected to over the last twenty years is basically theatre? Up to and including the Assange soap opera?

I can’t help thinking this ‘revelation’ about his alleged children is hard to reconcile with all the previous stories about his being basically imprisoned in the Ecuadorean embassy. I mean do we not remember how that was being put across 18months ago?

Remember how he was isolated, alone, could not see or talk to anyone, might be dead?

So turns out that was all bollocks.

All these people like Craig Murray now claiming they knew about the gf are therefore either lying now or were lying then about the extent of his misery and isolation.

I think Murray is being duped by a sophisticated psyop.

Next stop Assange “dies” of covid19. Massive bloody drama erupts. The tragedy of the young family bereft. Huge promotion for reality of virus.

Assange dyes his hair and moves to Bahamas.

I am only half joking.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 14, 2020 10:16 AM
Reply to  MLS

Excellent comment.

I believe this article to be true. Julian wasn’t being spied on, he was (effectively) spying on his guests. He must have known the cameras were there.

‘Ecuador bankrolled a multimillion-dollar spy operation to protect and support Julian Assange in its central London embassy, employing an international security company and undercover agents to monitor his visitors, embassy staff and even the British police, according to documents seen by the Guardian.

Over more than five years, Ecuador put at least $5m (£3.7m) into a secret intelligence budget that protected the WikiLeaks founder while he had visits from Nigel Farage, members of European nationalist groups and individuals linked to the Kremlin.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/15/revealed-ecuador-spent-millions-julian-assange-spy-operation-embassy-london

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 14, 2020 10:46 AM
Reply to  MLS

No, not alone. They know we have little way of being able to confirm or deny any of this.

Reality TV gets videoed as is.

On the other hand, most of our history, our public life, is scripted.

Julian Assange 2020: the Video Game.

Joe Bageant called it “our Theater State”.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Apr 14, 2020 1:23 PM
Reply to  John ErvIn

I loved Joe Bageant! He is sorely missed.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 15, 2020 12:47 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Me too. Awesome critic of culture. I turn to his reviews whenever I have time, and learn so much from him. He was an editor of Military History Magazine and raised in a hunter’s culture in “Winchester” VA. When he started writing he said he was “dumber than tree bark.” Living in Central America, on assignment, put him wise. With a big heart he made a hard left, and became what he called a “Leftneck”. You just don’t see that here, that is a niche as small as mine. With my odd gestation.

His New Zealand publisher says he simply can’t find anyone who will publish him hard copy in the US, in spite of great success online.

And he adds, “That speaks volumes.”

A sweet pun.

I was gathering signatures here 7 years ago, and someone signed from Virginia, a Mifflin P. Close, III.

I mentioned Joe Bageant, and he lit up, “I went to High School with Joe.”

Turns out, when Joe went back to Winchester, about ten years ago they hooked up there playing duets in clubs and restaurants. Joe played guitar and banjo.

Small world, we are all world citizens. Now.

I get people all the time online who say, “Miss that man!”

He went far in unmasking The Big Lie.

RIP

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 15, 2020 12:51 AM
Reply to  John ErvIn

Dang autocorrect, I dissit: Mifflin P. CLOW III

You don’t want to mess with a name like that. Added it to my dictionary.

breweriana
breweriana
Apr 14, 2020 10:48 AM
Reply to  MLS

Murray and his vicious goons.. er.. ‘mods’ are no dupes. They are part and parcel of deceit. They sign off on every fundamental MSM lie, from 911 to fake virus. It is almost like they’re paid…

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 15, 2020 3:53 AM
Reply to  breweriana

I think I’m inclined to agree with you, breweriana.

Annie McStravic
Annie McStravic
Apr 14, 2020 10:54 AM
Reply to  MLS

So, for MLS, all of Julian’s persecution and suffering can be dismissed due to the fact that a little joy has come into his life. No doubt the sentiment is shared by Julian’s worst tormentors, that lot in The Fraudian.

Perhaps MLS will be amused that one of that rag’s reporters, Hannah Jane Parkinson, posted on her Twitter page a picture of JA with baby Gabriel and wrote above it: “Excuse me while I vomit for the foreseeable future.”

MLS
MLS
Apr 15, 2020 9:39 AM

Oh shut up you maudlin idiot. A ‘little joy’ that totally 100% disproves all the narrative about him during his last year or more in the embassy. Wake up

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 8:15 AM
Reply to  MLS

What a vicious thug you are. Sadistic.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 8:14 AM

The Guardian feminazis are perhaps the very bottom of the MSM cess-pit. Vicious, nassty, hypocritical and talentless.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 14, 2020 11:07 AM
Reply to  MLS

Did the people of the Soviet Union know they were living in a vast lie ?, some did I suppose, but most didn’t, and the production standards at the CIA are higher.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 14, 2020 2:08 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

When Kruschev visited America his people were asked about propaganda – the answer was in America it is bigger and better! Like everything else.

In the USSR everyone knew it was . In the West everyone believed everything the advertising said!

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 14, 2020 11:25 AM
Reply to  MLS

I should remind you that when Julian Assange first entered the Ecuadorean Embassy it was at their invitation and he was very much treated as a guest for the first few years which he was clearly grateful for. He had an excellent personal relationship with the then Consul Fidel Narvaez who to this day has nothing but positive things to say about Assange as a person and as a guest at the Embassy. He was provided with anything he asked for, within the powers of the Embassy to provide. He was understandably concerned about the possibility of being spied on by outside sources, or even attempts on his life, and that was why the security measures were instituted by the Ecuadorean Embassy.

It was only after Lenin Moreno became Ecuadorean President in 2017 that the atmosphere at the Embassy changed for Assange. Moreno was clearly eager to do his utmost to facilitate Assange’s extradition to the US and so a campaign began within the Embassy to make life intolerable for Assange. It was in July 2018 that Narvaez, Assange’s one ally in the Embassy, was ‘relieved’ of his role as Consul. The linked article is very revealing.

I am sure that your knowledge of human biology is sufficient to work out when Assange would have fathered the two children and how it tied in with his time in the Embassy.

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/10/julian-assange-fidel-narvaez-ecuador-moreno

Thom
Thom
Apr 14, 2020 1:45 PM
Reply to  MLS

Surely as a former diplomat, Murray would be the last person to be duped like that? Which leaves two possibilities – either it is a psyop which Murray is colluding in, or it is not and Murray is doing what he says he is.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 14, 2020 6:41 PM
Reply to  Thom

There is quite a mountain (range) of evidence that, at least, suggests Assange is a vast psyop. What is the most intriguing is how so many reputable alt-icons sign on for the dossier of ‘good references” to exonerate Assange and attest to his good guy character.

The obvious question, as Catte Black delved into the other day, are “vetted” staunch allies like Daniel Ellsberg, with a long whistleblowing “track record, really allies, or just each one more strand in a vast network of collusion with these rogue enemies of the global public?

At least some of them are, that goes without saying, but you aren’t given a scorecard for ” who’s who” when you want to find solid answers about Spy World.

You have chosen the peculiar theme park ticket for “House of Mirrors”.

There is a lot to distrust in Assange’s stories, and given his prominence as a (supposed) renegade, it doesn’t add any strength to his probity that he’s fathering kids out of wedlock. Just saying. Especially when he’s facing charges for sexual errancy in Sweden. It hardly turns him into an icon of ethics, and yet he is treated popularly among his faction as having almost superhuman ethical courage to “spill the beans” on Empire….

That’s a risky business, and he doesn’t seem too concerned. Elssberg or Sibel Edmonds and most others show more circumspect habits in such conduct.

Assange does not, by a long shot.

Calling the presstitutes “tawdry” in their coverage of Assange vagaries, as Mr. Binoy Kampmark does above, really, really, really seems to miss that relevant point.

Besides, from studying these types, sexual indiscretions are preyed upon by Intel recruiters, as John Perkins details in the introduction pages of “Confessions of an Economic Hitman”, and he shows us that it’sbecause it gives them a bargaining chip, by knowing their weaknesses and how to control them. Allen Dulles’ sister said she knew of at least a 100 mistresses of his.

You can’t lead a life like that as an agent without cheating all across the board, making quite a tangled web, despite the 007 franchise excluding that memo on morals.

And that is why one of my icons, Patrick McGoohan, has recorded that he turned down the role of James Bond, as he was the first actor offered, given the strength of his celebrity in “Danger Man” which was a huge hit at the time.

There is very little kissin’ ‘n ‘huggin’ in that show, because he lobbied against it, as a distraction from the point. And he said pointedly it was an offense to his family values, as a Catholic.

And then he was in effect blacklisted in Hollywood after that principled stand, only getting a few roles afterwards, despite his great talent.

He went back to England and made “The Prisoner” which was a real cautionary tale to all of us about where the CIA, MI5/6 and all of that deep state stuff was headed in those regards. And others. It’s still a lexicon of the craft. He was showing us how he was targeted. I can relate. I have been under their VHA since the cradle, and now all my brothers and sisters are feeling my angst, through that same heavy, if mostly invisible, hand. (Which may be a worthwhile side effect, in terms of more “self-awareness” of how things really are, beyond what they have merely appeared to be, since The Prisoner showed us. At least a BIG invitation.)

I bumped into McGoohan at the time he was here wrapping the American rights, dapper in an ascot at the Beverly Hills Hotel, June ’67, he signed an autograph with notable gallantry and grace toward a callow 15 year old military school cadet, though in street clothes.

And soon after that, he vanished from stage and screen, though Wikipedia doesn’t mention that, only the few things he actually did do afterwards.

~~~~~~~~~

TAGLINE & SCREEN CLIP, SHOUTED IN EVERY PRISONER EPISODE:

“I am a MAN, I am not a NUMBER”

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 14, 2020 6:55 PM
Reply to  John ErvIn

They train spies to be cyphers, as an adjunct to making them their “government issue (g.i.)” sex monkeys.

Like an obligatory sex scene in movies, whenever possible, which means almost always, or by an industry-wide default, it also “comes with the territory” of “spycraft”.

And that adds up to a constant relentless psyop at both ends to weaken the moral force of the people, the culture, the sheep into sheeple.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 14, 2020 7:57 PM
Reply to  John ErvIn

“Especially when he’s facing charges for sexual errancy in Sweden.”

Just selected this one typical canard out of the stream of bollocks you’re spewing about Julian, John. Would you care to offer any evidence of any ‘charges for sexual errancy’ – whatever that might mean – that Sweden has ever made – formally, and pressed – against Julian?

There was a long-dragged out attempted fit-up, sure, dropped, re-opened, dropped again. And the wilfully dishonest distortions of these dishonest cavortings by Ny and ilk have been endlessly brayed about by the media, but no formal, stickable charges were ever made. Honest legal people in Sweden have said repeatedly that there’s no credible case to answer. The ‘facing charges’ rubbish is a lie put about by the mediawhores and pocket-pols – with great success amongst the malevolent suckers, clearly.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 14, 2020 7:27 PM
Reply to  MLS

No, you’re a complete know-nothing joke.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 15, 2020 2:53 AM
Reply to  MLS

It is obvious Julian has suffered, you can tell by his demeanour – unlike Chelsea Manning who is as perky as all getout – they really rub it in our faces with her. People have an amazing ability to have sex regardless of the circumstances. I think of the look of puzzlement on a friend’s face when she discovered that a friend visiting her had managed to have sex with someone outside her home. She was like, “But he was with me all the time, when could it have happened?” I also remember reading that Marco Pierre White had sex with a customer in the toilet as she was leaving his restaurant with her husband. Not bad, eh?

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 14, 2020 9:50 AM

Order to the dutiful agents and useful idiots of Empire, Johnson, Macron, Trudeau and Merkel,  just a few weeks more, just push the shut down as long as you can, because the longer we cripple the world economy, the more desperate, indebted and more importantly cheap, your valuable small and medium size businesses become. Yes the lock down is looking absurd now that all the real data is in, but logic has never stopped us before, so just bluff it out.

CNBC even have it plotted out on a colourful graph, length of shutdown Vs small business collapse, it is their and our timetable, and a guide to its special viewers to be ready for the fire-sale. 

They knew the Dollar was going to die, from over printing, months before this ‘crisis’, when unlimited funds were being pumped into US banks by the fed to prevent a bank run. 

But before the dollar becomes totally worthless paper, and the rest of the world reject the ‘flight to safety’ illusion being pumped out by their own treasonous media  and tire  of paying the USA’s bills,  the US has printed trillions of Dollars in loans to their largest Corporations, for them to go and  buy up as many of the valuable but distressed foreign assets they can, during the CIA’s  ‘panic and buy up’, virus psyop.

So beware a US corporation turning up at your door, offering bundles of worthless green paper for your countries most valuable assets.

New laws blocking foreign sales of national assets during, and in the aftermath of, this ‘crisis’ are essential for any self respecting independent state, worth its salt. 

Stay terrified and ‘in place’ for the next phase of the biggest financial heist in world history, brought to you as part of the make ‘America Great again’ program of events, which include the classics, ‘Euro crisis’, known internally as ‘The Italian job’, The War on Carbon, known as ‘barking at the moon’ and that all time favorite, Brexit, ‘bonfire of the soverenties’.

Shardlake
Shardlake
Apr 14, 2020 9:14 AM

The Daily Mail appears to print anything that will be seen to denigrate Mr Assange which is in sharp contrast to The Guardian who will print nothing of his case and predicament. I have noticed on every occasion when I have attempted to contribute to the CIF section with reference to other issues and I have cited Julian Assange as an example or case in point, the comment is not deleted and shown as not conforming to standards or inappropriate; more simply it does not appear at all.

I’m beginning to think I’m ‘going around the twist’ ruminating that ‘trigger’ words built into the program, like Assange, Baraitser or Belmarsh, automatically delete any reference in the CIF section in the Guardian. I’ve thought about trying to circumvent this just as an exercise and refer to him as the man in prison on extradition charges and if that did appear I’d be ready to be carted off by men in white coats.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 14, 2020 9:40 AM
Reply to  Shardlake

Ah, the Guardian, the cess-pit of cess-pits.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 14, 2020 1:43 PM

Indeed it published all of Wikileaks major material and wrote a book about the lovely Julian.

‘WikiLeaks: The Guardian’s role in the biggest leak in the history of the world by Alan Rusbridger

In an extract from ‘WikiLeaks: Inside Julian Assange’s war on secrecy, the Guardian’s editor-in-chief explains why Assange remains such an important figure

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/jan/28/wikileaks-julian-assange-alan-rusbridger

The book was written by David Leigh and Luke Harding, the very same guy who wrote the ludicrous Manafort story.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 16, 2020 12:51 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

“The book was written by David Leigh and Luke Harding…”

Thanks for that link to Rusbridger’s backgrounder. So enraged was I at Leigh’s publication of the password to the file that Assange made available as ‘insurance’ (Harding seems to have been only Leigh’s bitch) that enabled all the vultures who would obviously misrepresent the material it protected to generate the public opprobrium needed to help privately destroy as much of Assange and Wikileaks as possible that I simply couldn’t read Rusbridger’s piece at the time. Now that I have very slightly only just calmed down a minute fraction, infinitesimal enough to permit a peruse, seeing a link to do just that with just a click was a useful nudge.

What was particularly angering at the time, and still is, was Rusbridger’s brother-in-law Invesigation Editor Leigh’s stupefyingly sleazy (maybe Harding did have more than the bitch role in post publication developments) absolute denial of any culpability for the contents of the book in which he published the password on the grounds that he was only a poor journalist with no understanding of esoteric computerosities such as encryption and passwords (and James Ball’s slimy little technical bullshit attempt to bounce those esoterica back to disadvantage Assange v Leigh); the very book that revealed that the whole damned bunch of them were in intimate contact with The Guardian’s top computer whizzes throughout the entire process of decryption and redaction from the day Davies arrived back with his magic password-bearing table napkin onwards.

Rusbridger’s backgrounder turns out to be as reasonable and as balanced as could be expected but, all in all, The Guardian? What a shower of shits.

Jolly Roger
Jolly Roger
Apr 14, 2020 10:22 AM
Reply to  Shardlake

You got off lightly, normally my entire account disappears including all comments immediately.

In the end I used alias email addresses, off my normal email account to create new Guardian accounts, which is in breach of their rules. So they would use the excuse of multiple accounts to delete me. How they knew I had multiple accounts without breaking the laws on privacy, I don’t know.

I got particular concerned when my email account refused to give me more alias email addresses, when no limit was shown in their T&C. This seemed like something the Guardian had pulled-off, to stop me creating new accounts, but I can’t prove it.
I eventually forced my email account to reinstate unlimited alias addresses as it was outside their T&C to limit them.

This makes me sound like I was writing outrageous comments, but I wasn’t, they were pretty tame, but just not on-message. Simple facts or even comments repeating Guardian articles were being deleted, I assume because they had buried that story after the obligatory mention and didn’t want it to be aired or circulated any more. I do have a habit of airing the inconvenient facts.

Personally I think the security services are heavily involve in the moderation and deletion of comments in the guardian, and they perhaps have full access to those tools under the cover of anti terror legalisation, which gives them the right to spy on anyone. I think this because of the way they so ruthlessly tie up to an American Corporatist agenda and how they want to expunge ALL forms of dissent and train their contributors to be docile, weak and follow the very restricted dumbed down narrative.

Betrayed planet
Betrayed planet
Apr 14, 2020 11:56 AM
Reply to  Jolly Roger

I appear to have been banned outright by the Guardian. Up until a few months ago I continued to post the very rare comment. Having had several accounts with them over a 20yr period that were since the Snowdon affair deleted I then created a new account. When trying to post a comment with this account the page was endlessly glitchy, couldn’t write without the text self deleting as I was writing. I thought I was completely losing it, that this could not be orchestrated from their end. I am not a paranoid person , never have been. I have reasonable faith in my abilities to understand and think critically on the various deeply disturbing aspects of our modern world. I have not gone to this pathetic outlet in recent months with the exception of an article by Francis Ryan, pointed out to me by my son on the eugenics being practiced in the U.K. with regards to the disabled/ elderly and those with learning disabilities.
I no longer have any interest in their propaganda and abuse of their position as a media outlet. Their readership has changed beyond recognition, now infested with the same bullshit that keeps this banana republic in place.

xdream
xdream
Apr 14, 2020 12:11 PM
Reply to  Jolly Roger

The same thing has happened to me.

I had been a contributor to Guardian comments since before the invasion of Afghanistan and had never had any problems. Every one of my comments was accepted and often helped to stimulate discussion. The weekends, in particular were almost a free for all.

Eventually I just gave up. And as I watched the Guardian’s comments threads over the years it became apparent that the Guardian was almost never allowing posts with links in them. So the threads became less and less informative and more and more opinionated.

I was once (about six years ago) contributing to a long thread which had been in existence for maybe a day and a half. Suddenly all my comments (which had been accepted as being on topic and met all the accepted standards) were removed in one fell swoop. I tried again about six months later from another country and the same thing occurred.

I don’t even bother anymore.

Thanks OffGuardian for all your good work. You, the Unz Review, Zero Hedge and Craig Murray have kept comment freedom alive. Have to hurry off now.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 14, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  Jolly Roger

The reason the Grauniad ties so closely to an American Corporatist agenda is that it was bought by American neocons.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 14, 2020 2:13 PM
Reply to  Shardlake

Now you’re getting it and beginning to think for yoursel about such lies as ‘comment is free’ and ‘facts’ – like understanding that santa and easter bunnies are lies by your ‘Guardians’.

You are not out of the wood yet and can not see it for the trees – some more hard truths to figure out yourself – follow the path of ‘limited hangout’ .. .

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 14, 2020 8:54 AM

‘On April 9, Assange’s friend Vaughan Smith gave a description of conditions that gave little cause for Easter cheer’.

That’s Vaughan Smith the aristocrat whose mansion is too big for Assange’s police leg bracelet to work. Who owns the Frontline gentleman’s club in London where brazen intelligence operative Carole Cadwalladr was presented with the Orwell Prize. Who was EMBEDDED with the British army in Afghanistan.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 14, 2020 8:55 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

The 39-year-old Australian will be the subject of an atypical form of house arrest. Ellingham Hall, close to the village of Bungay, is the ancestral home of Captain Vaughan Smith, the former British Army officer and journalist who is a key supporter of the WikiLeaks
editor-in-chief.

It has emerged that while journalists and, presumably the US government, sought to establish Mr Assange’s whereabouts as WikiLeaks began to publish diplomatic cables two weeks ago, he had been at the Frontline Club, the central London haunt for reporters, which is owned by Captain Smith.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/house-arrest-on-an-estate-so-big-his-tag-may-not-work-2162641.html

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 14, 2020 8:59 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Embedded with British troops in Helmand

Journalist (Captain) Vaughan Smith has spent a month with the British army in Afghanistan ahead of Operation Moshtarak.

He went on patrol in Helmand province with a group of soldiers tasked with keeping the Taliban out of the village of Kushal Kalay, so that another group could go in and clear the area of the Taliban’s Improvised Explosive Devices or IEDs.

https://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/embedded+with+british+troops+in+helmand/3539237.html

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 14, 2020 8:06 AM

For me the three things that differentiate alternative media from corporate media are:

1. 9/11

2. Global warming (climate catastrophe !)

3. Assange.

Julian makes his position on 9/11 crystal clear. It’s a false conspiracy.

‘”I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.” What about the Bilderberg conference? “That is vaguely conspiratorial, in a networking sense. We have published their meeting notes.”

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/wanted-by-the-cia-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-28548843.html

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 14, 2020 9:42 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Here in Australia, McGoon, the majority MSM Empire, that of Murdoch, is ferociously anti-science, anti-rationality, and anti-climate science. The rest treat anthropogenic climate destabilisation as no great worry. A tweak here and there, and the glorious neo-liberal capitalist machine can go on indefinitely.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 14, 2020 1:47 PM

That’s great. After all Rupert Murdoch is Australia’s greatest export and most renowned intellectual. You must be proud of him.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 8:20 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Immensely!

Savorywill
Savorywill
Apr 14, 2020 10:21 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Except that the ‘alternative’ media, for the most part, is 100% on board with the belief that weather is dictated by human behavior, and that we horrible humans are destroying the planet because we like conveniences like electricity, and driving distant places by car, or to work, or to go shopping, if we don’t live in big cities which need trucks to bring food from the farmlands. But, it’s evil and as Greta tearfully proclaims, ‘we should all be ashamed of ourselves!!!!’ I don’t see that alternative media, for the most part, challenges that, like commondreams.org, for example. They don’t dare, because it is politically incorrect to challenge this prevailing belief. Just look at all the Democratic candidates for the US presidency, Bernie Sanders, etc., none would dare challenge that narrative, it would be the end of their political careers if they did so!

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 14, 2020 10:25 AM
Reply to  Savorywill

Thanks for the reply. That’s my point. They aren’t alternative media, to me they’re corporate because they promote a mainstream agenda.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 8:24 AM
Reply to  Savorywill

No-the science says that the planet’s climate is affected by human behaviour, NOT ‘dictated’. When human’s emit 100 times as much greenhouse gases per year as all the planet’s volcanoes (in a year without a major eruption of a Tambora size)that effect is considerable, hence the rise in atmospheric greenhouse gas levels from 280 ppm to 415 or so, plus similar increases in methane et al, in the last 200 years. If you are prepared to destroy the planet’s habitability for your ‘conveniences’ then I suggest you are striking a very poor bargain indeed, and very much worse for our children.

Objective
Objective
Apr 14, 2020 11:47 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Whats a false conspiracy?

Of the three points made, the only one with indisputable evidence that the official narrative is a conspiracy is 9/11.

What we know for a fact is 2 planes hit (2) two mutli-story buildings & (3) THREE collapsed!

I’ve seen many claims made about 9/11, most i dismiss as fantasy, but i know what i’ve seen with my own eyes, the way those buildings collapsed wasn’t caused by fire. We also know no other multi story building of its type has ever collapsed due to fire. Yet on 9/11 three, YES (3) DID!

Who knows what or who Assange is really is about?

And the very reason AGW is a political issue is because its impossible to prove either way, you can not dis/prove something that hasn’t happened yet & has been happening (natural global warming) for over 15000 years.

The outrage about Assange is disingenuous, people claiming his treatment is barbaric yet they don’t give a toss about every other Belmarsh prisoner. How you treat people isn’t about their conduct, its about how you expect people to conduct themselves in society. Cruel & vindictive treatment isn’t justice, the question really should be, should prisons ( as they are today) exist at all. We are all getting a taste of incarceration NOW.

Assange knew or should have know what he was getting himself involved in he took the risk & much of it was about his own ego.Note nothing at all has come of his whistle blowing activity everyone’s forgotten about the lives lost, there’s no protests in the streets about them. Instead we are distracted by Assanges welfare.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 14, 2020 12:02 PM
Reply to  Objective

Yes, we had Assange’s outraged middle class lawyer and fanboys complaining that Julian could catch a disease in prison with total disregard for everyone else in the prison.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 17, 2020 8:26 AM
Reply to  Objective

Anthropogenic climate destabilisation is a political question because the Right and the fossil fuel industry chose to make it so. It is most definitely not a scientific issue-that was settled long ago.

Savorywill
Savorywill
Apr 17, 2020 3:28 PM

Yeah, settled by people whose jobs depend on the belief that human behavior is driving the climate. If they come to a different conclusion that, for example, the sun is driving the climate, they are quickly out of a job. It is like a religion. Belief comes first, followed by efforts to substantiate that belief.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 16, 2020 4:54 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

“Julian makes his position on 9/11 crystal clear. It’s a false conspiracy.”

The most significant difference between you and Julian Assange is that you are pea brained twat of limited intelligence and he is not. That’s why he was always meticulous about the verification of what he published and assessing the likely access his sources directly had to it and you don’t even know the difference between a primary source and a bottle of ketchup; why you’re a simple minded parrot of trite opinions and he is a highly nuanced interpreter of the relevant underlying factors involved. Here’s a link:

https://youtu.be/zG23AyiIObk

not that I expect you’ll even begin to understand it, or even hear it. Earholes working, brainhole closed.

Fact is that 9/11 is, in itself, ancient history. Get over it. The only people it should stir up are the American dumbfucks who worship a tattered rag. The only thing relevant about it today is the legacy it has left, or what remains of it, averaged over the entire world. For that, as Assange says, it should be investigated, but the ‘truth’ ain’t gonna do nothing for anyone as much as it does for the millions of Arabs who now feel more empowered after centuries of vicious put down as a result of bin Laden’s operational success. And those American deluded who believe that America is a notable exception to a world full of American-exceptionalist Trump designated shit holes. Which 9/11 simply proves. The Arabs and other nobodies have known it for years. 9/11 is to the awareness of the rest of the world what Snowden is to the disgustingness of the CIA: proof of what anyone with half a brain already knew, but only that. The knowing that prededed it is only supported by ‘truth’. When it comes to exceptionalism and shitholes the only exception America can claim is that it’s bigger than any of the rest. Which is something to do with tectonic plates and Abraham Lincoln. Those for whom 9/11 represents some kind of acid test of insight are only advertising two things, they’re not too bright and they’re not too good at paying attention to something, anything, unless and until you rub their snouts in it.

The tradgedy of 9/11 is only the tradgedy of those week-to-week wage slaves caught up in it: janitors, food cart vendors, cleaners, clerks, firemen… The good news is that it saw off a few of the world’s more reprehensible financial predator lieutenants and the bad news is that Larry Silverstein’s boat came in.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 14, 2020 7:40 AM

Had trouble getting all of the details offered here to line up and seem credible. Though always with all kinds of questions about Assange’s intentions, A to Z, and those of many of his known allies, this article offers that he is in a bad spot, but it doesn’t really address any of those. We just see that Assange is suffering, maybe. It’s hard to fathom the point. Especially in relation to Covid 19!

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Apr 14, 2020 7:27 AM

In this mornings Graun:

”Growth in surveillance may be hard to scale back after pandemic, experts say …”

Okay, so now we know for sure. The cat is finally out of the bag.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 14, 2020 8:08 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

It wasn’t earlier, finally? Maybe that’s another copy.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Apr 14, 2020 8:16 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Bang on, Francis …

https://www.bitchute.com/video/T5DaiJ9zY6n4/

it’s our moral duty to share our knowledge and this video.

The arrogant brain dead dumb police were not even wearing any masks, yet they wish to be taken seriously and treated with respect … absurd ! Forget the law…
designed for and by elite dictators, enforced by puppets without brain tissue !

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Apr 14, 2020 7:00 AM

Ah yes the Daily Mail. I think the word is ‘Form’. In January 1934, Lord Rothermere wrote a long and enthusiastic article for the Daily Mail which began a campaign of support by the paper for Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists: its notorious headline was “Hurrah for the Blackshirts”. The true voice of the British ruling elite. Things haven’t changed much it seems.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 14, 2020 9:54 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

…and of course, almost exactly at the same time -the Manchester Guardian refused to print Malcome Muggeridge’s negative reports about the USSR.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Apr 14, 2020 1:28 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Is this what you mean? Please note in passing that the Manchester Guardian was very different from present Graun. But it would appear that Muggeridge’s reports were published, under an assumed name, but published nonetheless. But what is the point you are making. Times were very tough in the Soviet Union at the time. There was the first world war, the revolution, the civil war and the wars of intervention by the imperialist states, who were aided and abetted by the counter-revolutionary White Guard, (who actually still exist in publications like Russia Insider) then came collectivisation and the Ukraine famine. What did Muggeridge expect a socialist paradise?

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 14, 2020 1:43 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

A large number of British intellectuals and workers were very pro-USSR at the time. more fool them.

“Times were very tough in the Soviet Union at the time”

especially for the kulaks.

The Soviet Union was quite simply people with power telling those without power how to live their lives, with the ultimate sanction being murder if they didn’t obey.

Just like all other power structures whatever the ideology.