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Why you can’t trust the UK’s “daily” Covid19 updates

The daily Covid19 deaths reports, issued by the UK government, are generally misleading and being so misrepresented by the media they amount to little more than a lie.

Each day, the UK’s Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) releases a report titled “Daily number of COVID-19 associated UK deaths in hospital”.

The media then report these numbers as the “daily death toll”, presenting the total as if all these people:

A) Died of Covid19.
B) Died in the preceding 24 hours.

Neither of which is true.

Point A we’ve already covered in great detail. The UK government, like many other national governments, makes no effort whatsoever to distinguish between those who died of the coronavirus and those who died with the coronavirus. Therefore, of the “daily Covid19 deaths”, an unknown number may have died of something else. This is not new information.

Point B is not as widely known: The reported “daily” death toll is NOT a list of those who died that day.

Essentially, the NHS’s daily mortality reports, which are supposed to cover Covid19 deaths over the previous 24 hours, will regularly, and apparently randomly, include data from many other days, going back six weeks or more.

To illustrate this, let’s look at one day in detail: April 10th.

The DHSC report released that day states that 980 people died of Covid19. This was covered in the press as the UK’s “deadliest Covid19 day”.

The Telegraph’s headline announced: “UK death toll jumps 980 in 24 hours in biggest rise yet”.

The Daily Mail reported: “Britain records Europe’s highest single-day death toll: Number of victims jumps by 980”

Sky News went with: “980 tops Spain and Italy’s highest daily number of deaths, which were 961 and 919 respectively.”

But, at the time the report was released, the previous 24 hours had seen just 117 “Covid19 related deaths” according to NHS England, with a further possible 90 coming from Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales, for a maximum possible total of 204.

The other 776 people included in the report had died at seemingly random points between March 5th and April 8th.

The reported “980 deaths in one day” were, in reality, spread over five weeks.

This is not a “conspiracy theory”, it’s not any kind of theory. It’s a fact openly admitted in the official numbers, here. It’s not even an isolated incident, the same is true of ALL the daily “Covid19 death reports”.

Who were the 980 added to the Covid19 death figures on April 10th? Why was this apparently random sample of people, whose deaths were many weeks apart, selected for inclusion as “daily deaths” on the same day?

We don’t know. No explanation is given, no rationale supplied.

What we DO know is that, despite what government graphs claim, they didn’t all die on the same day.

We know that, when the media reported that they did all die on the same day, they were essentially lying.

And we know these lies are being repeated by police officers to scare people into staying out of their own front gardens.

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Eric Burey
Eric Burey
May 17, 2020 7:56 PM

To date, WHO figures say Covid-19 is not as deadly as seasonal flu.

I honestly think that we, “the people”, are lost in a miasma of media hype, fear-mongering and ignorance propagated by the “big Pharmas”, misinterpreted by the politicians and misled by the mainstream media.

Please, please use your intelligence to investigate this whole situation as best you can to gain as clear and objective a view as you can (if you haven’t done so already). If you discover what you believe to be reliable, verifiable and supported evidence that underpins your view, tell others; wherever and whenever you can do so.

For me, from the evidence that I’ve managed to glean and see and hear; on the streets, in the media (MSM and Independent; TV and web-based “news outlets”) and in my own mind: nothing of the globally coordinated “lockdown policy” makes sense.

Evidentially, the world’s current situation seems to be embedded in a pre-planned outcome of a profit-driven drive towards a global inoculation programme which, in turn, could lead ultimately to globally managed population control and globally coordinated individual surveillance systems.

Potentially, at least, it appears that we’re headed for a world that’s unworthy of those who have died for our freedom of choice; a world unworthy of the political systems that were put in place to preserve, not only the rights of those living in this country, but also the rights of 8 billion other human beings on this planet: a world (according to today’s perceived freedoms) unfit for our children, our grandchildren and our great grandchildren.

You can say I’m just another “conspiracy theory alarmist”, but remember: quite possibly, we’ll all be dead by these postulations might become “written in stone”, so none of this will matter to us

Will it?

AndyM
AndyM
Apr 27, 2020 6:39 PM

The Guardian criticising how the “rest of the media” are reporting numbers is beytond laughable…

bob
bob
Apr 27, 2020 5:56 PM

how would you do it then?

Laurence Howell
Laurence Howell
Apr 27, 2020 3:16 PM

Japan’s Demon Of BioWar Kawaoka Inserted HIV
Force Multipliers Inside The Wuhan Virus.
Here in Part 4 of this series on the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, smoking gun evidence against microbiologist Yoshihiro Kawaoka has surfaced in an RNA analysis run by microbiologists Prashant Prashant and colleagues at the Indian Institute of Technology and The University of Delhi. The introductory remarks by the Indian research team are a masterpiece of understated dry wit: “The finding of four unique inserts in 2019 -nCOV (Wuhan coronavirus), all of which have identity and similarity to amino acid residues of key structural proteins of HIV-1, is unlikely to be fortuitous.”
Have a sip of Assam tea while pondering how four GP120 and Gag protein strands from HIV, the virus associated with AIDS, just happen to be strategically located inside this SARS-modified virus. The key word here is “insert”, as in gene-engineered. Wuhan CoV was created in a lab.
Exhibit B is a 2011 research paper by Y. Kawaoka and two colleagues at his animal virology lab at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, titled “HIV reverse-binding protein is essential for influenza A virus replication and promotes genome-trafficking in late-stage infection”. Published in the Journal of Virology, September 201l, it’s an admission of guilt for preparing the emergence of the Wuhan contagion.

Original research Yosichi Shumatsu, rense.com

We are being played in a con game of immense proportions. The latest figures for random testing in the US suggests a death rate of 0.002%. Dr Fauci and Dr Birrx figures originally predicted massive death rates, but they have failed to materialise. These people belong to the Vaccine Eugenesist himself Bill Gates, the World Health Organisation, GAVI, Pepfar and the UN. Enough said.

Eric Burey
Eric Burey
Apr 27, 2020 2:20 PM

The Black Death, also known as the Pestilence and the Plague, was the most fatal pandemic recorded in human history, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 100 million people.

The Spanish flu, also known as the 1918 flu pandemic, was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic. Lasting almost 36 months from January 1918 to December 1920, it infected 500 million people – about a third of the world’s population at the time. The death toll is estimated to have been at least 50 million.

5.4 million children under five years old died from preventable causes in 2017. In 2017, Heart disease killed 647,457 American citizens In the UK, 152,840 cases of Covid-19 have been identified. 20,732 British citizens have lost their lives to the infection Globally, just over 2 million people have been infected with Covid-19. Globally, 137,000 deaths have been attributed to Covid-19.

Why are the governments of the world – either deliberately or unknowingly (laughs) – mis-representing the nature of Covid-19, an infection that is scientifically and statistically proven to be no more life-threatening than influenza?

Ianric
Ianric
Apr 27, 2020 6:50 PM
Reply to  Eric Burey

If the coronavirus is such a deadly killer as to justify draconian lockdown , why do governments have to resort to dishonest fiddling of statistics to give this impression if this is happening. When a disease kills in large numbers and poses or has posed a major threat, you should never have to resort to dishonesty to show this. For instance, the black death showed horrific symptoms and records show people dying in large numbers. Historians would need to resort to dishonesty to show how lethal the black death was.

protofuturist
protofuturist
Apr 27, 2020 9:35 AM

The way those NHS spreadsheets work is that some of the reports come in later so thats why they include the backdates on later spreadsheets. Their total at the end is potentially misleading (clearly!) as it’s number of deaths reported that day, NOT the number who died that day (the date of the spreadsheet).

If you tally up all the 10 April dates the number does indeed go high than 117…more like 400 but this is still 1/2 of what the press reported.

peter
peter
Apr 27, 2020 6:44 AM

Only have to ask yourself why would government set the up the mortality rates in such a confusing manner. The true bench mark for what we’ve experienced this year will be the total of all deaths against other previous years to understand how devastating it has been. Or not.

Adds a new perspective on if you’ve got nothing to hide you got nothing to fear. Stands to reason if therefore government hide or create grey areas to encourage confusion in the message then we should all fear; especially when it’s by an institution the exists by its’ own belief of, governance consented by the people.

Ben
Ben
Apr 28, 2020 11:42 AM
Reply to  peter

I agree to a degree but any excess deaths over previous years are not necessarily due to the alleged virus. Indeed the ONS figures suggest excess deaths greater than even the inflated alleged virus deaths which suggests that the lock down itself has increased death rates. UKColumn also showed that the Euromomo website showing European stats was fiddled with a few hours after they first reported its figures and in a way to make things look worse. https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-27th-april-2020

James
James
May 9, 2020 3:59 PM
Reply to  Ben

With everyone “protecting the NHS”, a lot of people are dying who wouldn’t have otherwise. What a lovely way to bump up the “excess mortality”.

I wouldn’t go as far as to say that it was planned that way, but it will work out nicely for the govt if they can say that x thousands of extra people died during this period because by that time people will have forgotten about the real reason. If they ever knew it.

sam
sam
Apr 25, 2020 8:31 PM
Roberto
Roberto
Apr 26, 2020 5:33 PM
Reply to  sam

The very interesting thing about this video is that the doctors say that any other front-line doctors in the US that they have talked to, and the statistics that they analyse even including the inflated death statistics, have come to the same conclusions and simply don’t understand what all the commotion is about.
But there are also numerous analyses by epidemiologists around the world that are baffled by the media and government-led mania.

sam
sam
Apr 27, 2020 10:15 AM
Reply to  Roberto

follow the money to the Gates Foundation
They fund our governemnt, PHE, DFID, DHSC, the CMO, etc, the BBC, Guardian…

Greg
Greg
Apr 28, 2020 7:14 PM
Reply to  sam
sam
sam
Apr 29, 2020 12:33 AM
Reply to  Greg

the video’s been removed!

sam
sam
Apr 25, 2020 8:30 PM

How do we find out what the real death numbers are?
Are the numbers being included many times in the figures so stats are inflated?
I also wonder if the NHS is klling people by ventilating them when they should be receiving hydroxychloroquine and zinc??

Northern
Northern
Apr 25, 2020 12:53 PM

I have been taking a few days off from following developments as I find being immersed in it completely can result in such a feeling of hopelessness as to be counter productive. So I might not be completely up to speed on some of the narratives but feel compelled to add these bits of anecdotal information and observations all the same for anyone reading;

I lost my job on the first day of ‘lockdown’ and felt confident in predicting that civil unrest would break out after more than a couple of weeks. Several weeks later, it has become fairly obvious to me we are persuing a ‘lockdown in name only’ policy. Of course there’s plenty of examples of the police attempting to scare monger people into staying at home, but by comparison with some of the policies persued elsewhere in Europe, we still do have a reasonable degree of freedom to move around, ostensibly unscrutinized, just under a constant propaganda blitz from the media. The worrying further thought, however, is that 80/90% of the population seem to be prepared to accept this complete restructuring of their social interactions on a permanent basis. No need for the brown shirts or jackboots, just uncritical acceptance. Has the first stage been achieved with an almost unnoticed yet even bigger bail out of western capitalism than 12 years ago, and any progress towards the erection of a permanent fascist police state is just a handy bonus?

So on Monday, in her quest to complete all the house hold cleaning whilst on ‘lockdown’, the missus, who is thankfully also sceptical of the narrative, had me up a ladder cleaning the house’s external windows. I’d done the first but in the course of climbing to the second, the ladder slipped and sent me tumbling to the ground. The next morning my ankle was purple and swollen like a golfball and the 111 service informed me it’d be best to head to A&E to be certain it wasn’t broken. So aware of both the surface narrative of the NHS being under resourced and stretched, and also the draconian punishment handed out to the bloke who went to film his local empty hospital a few weeks ago, I headed to the A&E department, curious to see the scenario locally. Of course this is only anecdotal evidence of 1 hospital, but suffice to say I have more questions than answers after my visit.

Before entering I decided to have a cigarette,expecting a lengthy wait.
Two nurses were also conversing in the smoking area, one of whom I later saw was working in the A&E department. The A&E nurse was complaining to the other nurse that the hospital had drafted in 70 extra nurses to their department, but despite all of them having nothing to do for the last several weeks, all staff holiday was cancelled.

I then made my way to A&E reception where I discovered I was the only patient. I was directed by 3 receptionists to an examination room, where I was immediately examined by 3 triage nurses. One of the triage nurses informed me that she and her colleagues usually worked in the orthopaedics department, but they had been drafted in to allow A&E staff to treat Coronavirus patients. I was then sent for an Xray of my ankle. Whilst en route, the porter explained this was the best time for me to have sustained such an injury, as the staff have been fighting each other for work for the last few weeks and I was sure to be in and out quickly.

Xray completed, the nurse, seemingly absent mindedly, told the porter to take me to A&E outcare. I registered this wasnt the orthopaedics department I’d come from, but felt unwilling to question him and so off we went. Upon arrival, as soon as the porter opened the double doors, I was greeted by a wall of noise. He wheeled me to reception and I saw the entire outpatient waiting room was full of maybe 30-40 nurses all stood around laughing, chatting, sprawled on furniture on their phones or generally looking like they had nothing to do. The nurse behind reception asked for my name, but I couldn’t hear her initially due to the noise of all the talking nurses behind me. She apologised and explained they were making a Tik Tok dance video, and I should infact be in the orthopaedics department I’d initially come from.

Back in orthopaedics, I was examined again by another nurse, who explained my ankle wasn’t broken, just badly sprained, and gave me a pair of crutches before sending me on my way, perhaps 45 minutes after I’d entered the hospital. It should be noted that at no point was I asked about displaying any virus symptoms, and none of the staff I had contact with used any PPE of any kind in their interactions with me. The only other patient I saw in my time at the hospital was a small child who had split his head open, who arrived after me but was deemed to not need any treatment and sent home.

Of course, as I stated at the beginning, this is only anecdotal evidence from 1 hospital, but I at least expected to see some signs of pressure on the health service given I’ve seen the media broadcasting mass graves being dug at 3 different points in the last few weeks. Instead I saw happy staff amusing themselves as they had a much lighter workload than usual. In light of literal war time level propaganda being used at every opportunity, its hard to avoid the conclusion this isn’t the first wave of conditioning for some planned mass casualty event in the future, either a much more lethal ‘mutation’ of the virus, or a large scale international conflict with the Chinese and Russian axis.

Someone tell me some good news, cause it’s starting to look distinctly bleak ahead from my point of view.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 25, 2020 1:15 PM
Reply to  Northern

Thanks, Northern, for the very illuminating insight. My neighbour is a nurse at local large infirmary in the North West (Wales/England) but she took her long scheduled 10 days annual leave about three weeks ago when I had thought we were all supposed to be preparing for the worst and retired nurses were being called back to help out.

Blane
Blane
Apr 25, 2020 4:13 PM
Reply to  Northern

The good news is that the internet allows the truth to be crowd sourced, and sometime in the next 100 years, the nepotism and cronyism of the last 5000 years will likely be replaced by a system of meritocracy. The transition is becoming increasingly turbulent, but it’s a fascinating time to be alive nonetheless.

peter
peter
Apr 27, 2020 7:25 AM
Reply to  Northern

In light of literal war time level propaganda being used at every opportunity, its hard to avoid the conclusion this isn’t the first wave of conditioning for some planned mass casualty event in the future, either a much more lethal ‘mutation’ of the virus, or a large scale international conflict with the Chinese and Russian axis.

Someone tell me some good news, cause it’s starting to look distinctly bleak ahead from my point of view.

I’ve reached similar conclusions, that for me were reached some years ago. We are in the event, so to speak. Yeah, big bleak and grey cloud follows me around, everywhere.

Chris Young
Chris Young
Apr 25, 2020 12:15 PM

Rusty, my doggy, has a nose for sniffing out the truth with anomalous situations. He reckons that:
1) As Im typing this text its being rerouted to an NSA/GCHQ supercomputer.
2) His nose has identified controlled deployment a chemical-nano agent only, he has not identified a purely biological contagen.
3)….and its time for walkies 😊

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
Apr 25, 2020 8:14 PM
Reply to  Chris Young

I would surely consider this breaking news. May I quote you?
Is your dog willing to make a statement at this time?
What its name?
Does it have any specialized training? I mean what’s its pedigree if any?
In what field is your dog trained in?
Now look… I don’t want to be racist here…
But what breed is it?
Inquiring minds want to know and we really should question more.

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
Apr 25, 2020 8:18 PM

I myself have become a bit Rusty at sniffing things out. So you can surely my concerns here. We don’t even your dogs name. How are we supposed to take this seriously?

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
Apr 25, 2020 8:22 PM

I misspoke. Don’t surely my concerns here. That would be perverted. Indecent.
I meant you surely understand my concerns. And if Surely understands surely you understand Surely’s concerns.

Chris speaking for R
Chris speaking for R
Apr 26, 2020 9:35 AM

Thanks David – Rusty will make an important statement about the future of this planet and its incumbent puppet masters later today.

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
Apr 27, 2020 8:54 PM

RUSTY FOR PLANETARY PRESIDENT!
“We need an interspecies solution for these difficult times!”

Chris for Rusty
Chris for Rusty
Apr 27, 2020 10:25 PM

Rusty thanks David for his loyalty. Rusty’s new title will be ‘Earth Spiritual Leader’. You, David Horsman have been appointed as ‘Head of Global Media and Citizen Communications’.
He apologises for the late publication of the important statement but he has been working on the minds of this planets senior military human resources, whose compliance he needs to avoid everyday of the next 30 years being just like Orwells 1984 on steroids.
More statements to follow.

Greg
Greg
Apr 25, 2020 10:40 AM

I’ve come to my own conclusion on this whole situation and all comes down this. Do you believe in a higher government power??
If you don’t then this pandemic is legit.
If you do then you believe the whole things a fraud.

Helper
Helper
Apr 25, 2020 10:11 AM

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Cheers!

peter
peter
Apr 27, 2020 7:34 AM
Reply to  Helper

Have you ever considered that Satoshi Nakamoto is the World Bank collaborative partnership with other equally minded institutions? I mean. If the Bank of England or Fed. Res. had their name above the door no one would willing take it up. Unlike what has a happened.

It certainly wasn’t an outlier financial tool outside of pan state control akin to the wild west that we are all lead to believe.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 25, 2020 9:55 AM

This video was posted on Jon Rappoport’s BTL with the reader’s comment that it analyses the results of the first 50 autopsies from Bergamo and they show that the patients were ‘killed’. I don’t speak Italian but is there anyone on here who does and might be able to summarise these findings?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuQSvE1YNYs&feature=youtu.be

Magggie
Magggie
Apr 26, 2020 3:06 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

As usual, anything that might inform the people of the truth is “removed”

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 26, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  Magggie

That’s interesting, Maggie. I hadn’t realised it had been removed until your comment! But I did do some amateurish research this morning to see if I could find anything more out about this. I came across a medical abstract from 4 days ago on the post-mortem results and it appears that there were 38 results analysed of which 33 showed evidence of embolisms in the small blood vessels around the lungs. It was suggested that this might have caused difficulty in absorption of oxygen. The abstract seems to be based on the assumption that this physiological feature was directly caused by the infection.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.19.20054262v1

I then looked at more articles on side effects of mechanical ventilation. A common theme is that the procedure can cause blood clots in and around the main arteries and peripheral veins of the lungs, but that these clots are not necessarily obvious until it’s too late to combat them. Advice is to give ventilator patients anti-coagulants as a prophylactic measure.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/175114371301400109

I can’t see anywhere in the pathology study a reference to how many of the patients had been invasively ventilated. But I wonder if some people are raising the possibility that a number of patients died as a direct result of invasive ventilation. As I say I am nowhere qualified to pass judgement based on the scientific information to hand but I certainly have my suspicions that the use of ventilators must be responsible for a proportion of deaths, and probably not an insignificant proportion.

Ben
Ben
Apr 27, 2020 11:26 AM
Reply to  Magggie

Maggie. I noticed that but it seems to have been moved or reposted. Need italian translation though:

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
Apr 28, 2020 12:30 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

The number of people killed via aspirin overdose remains a mystery regarding the 1918 pandemic. It was a lot.

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
Apr 28, 2020 12:31 AM

Oops. The point being this was only detected thru autopsy.

tee ell
tee ell
Apr 25, 2020 9:40 AM

Why was this apparently random sample of people, whose deaths were many weeks apart, selected for inclusion as “daily deaths” on the same day?

We don’t know.

Yes we do. It’s because administratively, it takes reports a while to be reported through the system. It always has done. Nothing has changed there.

I fully agree with your points A and B though.

BDBinc
BDBinc
Apr 25, 2020 1:01 AM
wardropper
wardropper
Apr 25, 2020 2:57 AM
Reply to  BDBinc

“What’s Building 7?” . . .

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 25, 2020 7:35 PM
Reply to  BDBinc

A lot more David Crowe stuff here:

https://davidcrowe.ca/SciHealthEnv.php

(note the page may take a few seconds to load fully)

Magggie
Magggie
Apr 24, 2020 9:56 PM

All orders were now issued through Squealer (MattHancock)) or one of the other pigs.
Napoleon (Bozo) himself was not seen in public as often as once a fortnight…
George Orwell’s: Animal Farm.

Magggie
Magggie
Apr 24, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  Magggie

This bloody iPad has a mind of its own. Steelers should have read SQEELER. Lol

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 25, 2020 8:17 PM
Reply to  Magggie

Who will be Snowball, I wonder?

Magggie
Magggie
Apr 26, 2020 10:50 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Could it be JC, Mike?

Spartacus29
Spartacus29
Apr 24, 2020 6:37 PM

The lie is now too big for the UK PTB to back down from. In their eyes, the horrendous damage to the UK economy caused by the lockdown has to be seen to be justified. Hence the inflated mortality figures to support their narrative.

Unfortunately, I fear this narrative will be strongly defended and supported no matter what – they will never ever admit they were wrong. The MSM will always support their narrative too, as the alternative for them is just too horrific to imagine.

Just imagine the public backlash if the lockdown was found to be completely unnecessary, which may yet still may happen after the dust has settled. Small businesses gone to the wall, large sections of the population have lost their jobs. The damage to people’s health and mental health alone is incalculable.

They will also claim the lockdown was successful in reducing death rates and eventually eliminating the virus, so they are basically in a no lose situation, as this would have occurred over time naturally anyway.

Sadly, this is why they will never ever admit they were wrong.

I really do despair when I see dancing doctors and nurses in hospitals where supposedly hundreds of people are dying every day. OMG what next, dancing funeral directors at cemetery’s?

Objective
Objective
Apr 24, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  Spartacus29

Just imagine the public backlash

Who you going to vote for a pro-establishment liberal in the red tory party or pro-establishment liberal in the blue tory party?

I really do despair when I see dancing doctors and nurses in hospitals

Don’t worry I have it on good authority (my wifes a nurse) the memo from up high went out, there’s to be no repeat of that nonsense it gives the wrong message.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 24, 2020 9:53 PM
Reply to  Objective

In six month’s time, they’ll deny it ever happened, or maybe that those videos were actually part of Red Nose Day a few years ago or something.

DAVID
DAVID
Apr 25, 2020 6:46 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Completely scrubbed from existence. Maybe a good chance to employ the Mandela Affect.

Magggie
Magggie
Apr 24, 2020 10:04 PM
Reply to  Objective

Too late Objective, we all saw them, and know that they are simply going along with the lie in the hope that they might get a pay rise at the end of it, or some air time fame. There is no doubt that Doctors and Nurses do a sterling job and God bless em, but there are not enough of them blowing the whistle on all the bull shit.
Especially the Nightingale Hospitals.. that are turning away covid patients?????? All that fang money wasted on a PR excercise? The beds aren’t even six feet apart, and the roof is open like a factory, waiting for the pigeons and bats to roost?

Objective
Objective
Apr 24, 2020 11:19 PM
Reply to  Magggie

There is no doubt that Doctors and Nurses do a sterling job and God bless em,

I wouldn’t go that far, in fact i hate hospitals i have no personal positive experience of the NHS, as far as i’m concerned its a necessary evil.

Terry AlbeeryAlbery
Terry AlbeeryAlbery
Apr 25, 2020 9:46 AM
Reply to  Objective

well I had a 5 week visit to Bedford Hospital ..as a patient….I have to admit that it was 5 Weeks of excellent food,drinks when required, nurses were all Fantastic and I cant think of a bad thing to say about it !!

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 25, 2020 5:19 PM

You can count yourself lucky, Terry!

I’me presuming you’re not over 75, you weren’t suffering from anything which gave you delirium or hallucinations, you weren’t overdosed by the nurses on morphine resulting in permanent dementia, you weren’t incapable of eating or drinking because no nurse thought it necessary to help you, you weren’t left to lie in your own urine and faeces for 8 hours at a time resulting in ‘moisture lesions’, and you could probably get out of bed at least a couple of times a day to avoid bed sores. Try being in hospital under any one of those conditions and I think you might have had a different story to tell.

Ben
Ben
Apr 26, 2020 10:32 AM
Reply to  Objective

I’m waiting for those videos to be reclassified as Russian propaganda and interference in our pandemic or just newly discovered rehearsals for the 2012 London Olympics opening ceremony.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Apr 24, 2020 8:33 PM
Reply to  Spartacus29

Psychopaths never admit they are wrong Spartacus. They don’t need a reason to be like this, it’s pathological, they are mentally ill.

gordon
gordon
Apr 24, 2020 8:34 PM
Reply to  Spartacus29

the monsters dance themselves dizzy
while

break dancing in the rue morgue

lord jimmy saville slept and lived had the keys to many hospitals in the uk
he got on very well with the ghouls and the goblins the here ho we are meant to clap over.

doctors and nurses and hospitals kill folks and spread disease
yes sir

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 24, 2020 11:48 PM
Reply to  gordon

Sick fecker, with seven mates, so far.

gordon
gordon
Apr 25, 2020 12:40 PM

dick la sarc
i am sick?

jimmy saville was allowed to have sex with living and the dead in hospitals all over the country

mason dick
you are calling me sick

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 24, 2020 9:51 PM
Reply to  Spartacus29

OMG what next, dancing funeral directors at cemetery’s?

I’ll bet Mel Brooks could have written a pretty good movie script out of this.
Maybe still could.

“Springtime for Fauci and Billy Gates
Pharma is happy and gay
We’re marching to a faster pace
Look out
Here comes the master race”

“Don’t be stupid, I’m a dictator
Come and buy my ventilator”

marvin
marvin
Apr 24, 2020 11:31 PM
Reply to  Spartacus29

That is why i am making a record of the recorded figures, as it really wouldn’t surprise me if at some point in the future they disappear from public record !!

DAVID
DAVID
Apr 25, 2020 6:49 AM
Reply to  marvin

And end up on a TFL bus on a laptop to be denied of any evidence on said laptop by the government.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 25, 2020 3:11 AM
Reply to  Spartacus29

Psychopaths have been stopped before, and they will be again. All that’s required is for the public to be shown, dramatically, that Caligula is currently ruling the world. His modern minions are actually doing a great job of showing us what sickening lunacy we are up against.
Just as the working public recently let their informed disappointment with Corbyn be known in no uncertain terms, they are perfectly capable, eventually, of letting Washminster know that they suspect they are being taken for another appallingly rough ride, and enough is enough.
We shouldn’t despair. Death comes to us all, so we can’t argue that our ultimate destiny is somehow unfair. In that light, revealing crass corruption in those who claim to be our representatives is really more of a privilege than a challenge.

DAVID
DAVID
Apr 25, 2020 6:44 AM
Reply to  Spartacus29

I really want to see that to the “Happy” tune. Yeah I’m a little warped.

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
Apr 27, 2020 11:55 PM
Reply to  DAVID

Maybe instead of KO’ing a horse he could bite the head off of a bat…
Yeah… He would do it.

crank
crank
Apr 24, 2020 5:36 PM

The ‘confirmed figures ‘ for global death ‘due to coronavirus’ stands at just short of 200,000. In just the last month the global population will have increased by around 6,000,000 people (that is thirty times the number deaths attributed to this virus).
Even if the Covid figures were anywhere near legit, the response is batshit crazy. It would have to ramp up like a petrol fire before we even saw a scratch on the growth of human population, let alone the overall numbers. Let’s celebrate the life of everyone who has not died of Covid19 ?
The response mind you, that might be a different story. The virus was a deep sea earthquake that has set a tsunami going. The tide has gone right out on the beach, and even if we started up the economy today, the wave is going to hit anyway. Someone said to me today, “I don’t think, subconsciously, people really want to go back to normal life, because they know they are ind denial of what they will find”.
Good graph of the delay of registration vs reports:
https://twitter.com/hector_drummond/status/1253706600600219653/photo/1

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 24, 2020 5:25 PM

DID YOU SAY EXTORTION?

Why would governments and health organizations deliberately publish erroneous facts and statistics about COVID-19 mortality rates? Are they purposely misleading and confusing the public? There can only be two possible explanations–either the original COVID-19 statistical models projecting unfathomable deaths were way off causing the need for a major cover-up for a massive screw-up; or there’s a conscious effort to highly inflate COVID-19 mortality statistics in order to trigger panic and hysteria.

Having said that, let me describe an activity practiced by organized crime. It’s called extortion. Extortion, is also known as a “shakedown” it’s when gangsters use coercion threatening your safety if you refuse to pay them for protection. This is also known as a protection racket. Governments worldwide are operating gangster-style protection scams.

These extortion racketeers will continue to use fear to intimidate billions until they extract every last bit of zeal from every human soul. Fiends, who portray themselves as humanitarians and philanthropists on mainstream media news insidiously social engineer societies so they’ll be comprised of compliant and docile populations willing to accept everything.

HUMANS ARE BIOHAZARDS

Whitney Webb recently published an article entitled: “Techno-Tyranny: How the US National Security State is Using Coronavirus to Fulfill an Orwellian Vision.”

Webbs says: LAST YEAR, A GOVERNMENT COMMISSION CALLED FOR THE US TO ADOPT AN AI-DRIVEN MASS SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM FAR BEYOND THAT USED IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN ORDER TO ENSURE AMERICAN HEGEMONY IN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. NOW, MANY OF THE “OBSTACLES” THEY HAD CITED AS PREVENTING ITS IMPLEMENTATION ARE RAPIDLY BEING REMOVED UNDER THE GUISE OF COMBATING THE CORONAVIRUS CRISIS.

Webb goes on to say: “Many of the steps for the implementation of such a program in the U.S., as laid out in this newly available document, are currently being promoted and implemented as part of the government’s response to the current coronavirus (Covid-19) crisis. This likely due to the fact that many members of this same body (The National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence) have considerable overlap with the task-forces and advisors currently guiding the government’s plans to “re-open the economy” and efforts to use technology to respond to the current crisis.”

The NSCAI plan is to make the US more like China and that means reshaping the lives of all Americans in the most hideous ways possible. The term “legacy ” is often used throughout the report referring to the “traditional ways” in which the public currently lives their lives. This would all be changed. Heightened security devices would be imbedded everywhere; government apps for surveillance and monetary activities would be installed on all phones; driverless cars would be promoted and private ownership of vehicles would be discouraged; all shopping would be conducted online eliminating all small businesses. These thugs also want to relax Food and Drug Administration (FDA) guidelines so that non-well-tested medications and vaccines can be issued to the public. If you die from the vaccine it’s too damn bad.
In addition, the government will encourage telemedicine eliminating person-to-person doctor visitors.

In other words, centralized planning is being deployed to manage social change and regulate all future behavior. This is easier to accomplish by isolating individuals from all social contact. In fact, one consultant Anuja Sonalker of Steer Tech, claims that “There has been a distinct warming up to human-less, contactless technology. Humans are biohazards, machines are not.”

The National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence (NSCAI) are the ghouls designing and promoting all of this. The Commission was established in 2018. Webb points out they’re fully entrenched in the White House planning for the future: “there’s a considerable amount of overlap between the NSCAI and the companies currently advising the White House on “re-opening” the economy (Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Lockheed Martin, Oracle) and one NSCAI member, Oracle’s Safra Katz, is on the White House’s “economic revival” taskforce. There’s also overlap between the NSCAI and the companies that are intimately involved in the implementation of the “contact tracing” “coronavirus surveillance system,” a mass surveillance system promoted by the Jared Kushner-led, private-sector coronavirus task force. That surveillance system is set to be constructed by companies with deep ties to Google and the U.S. national security state, and both Google and Apple, who create the operating systems for the vast majority of smartphones used in the U.S., have said they will now build that surveillance system directly into their smartphone operating systems.”

The intention is to deploy artificial intelligence into every aspect of an individual’s life and to use the US population as a way to test the potential of AI in the same way it’s deployed in China against its own population.

WHO IS THE ENEMY?

Since Obama’s pivot to China, there’s been an emphasis on a new military strategy focusing on a “Great Power Competition” between the US, China, and Russia. The Warmongering against China and Russia has been nonstop. If the US Government is trying to convince the public China is an “enemy” because they’re a repressive dictatorship terrorizing its own population then why is the US Government planning to implement the same repressive measures and practices as China against US Citizens. Why is the US emulating the tactics of a supposed enemy by deploying China’s heightened oppressive surveillance techniques against Americans.

Last night Tucker Carlson’s guest Peter Walker, a former McKinsey & Company senior partner, fattening his pockets in China for quite some time has been lauding the way China contained the coronavirus (the virus which probably emerged from the Wuhan Lab), however, Tucker challenged Walker by asking about the Chinese who were padlocked into their apartments and STARVED to death, and the chinese who were tossed into vans and never reappeared. “Walker the snake” couldn’t slither away, nor come up with any reasonable explanation for these murders. He didn’t even deny the existence of concentration camps housing one million Muslims. Is this what the US Government wants to emulate? There’s no doubt it’s more efficient to use padlocks to prevent people from exiting their homes, the authorities simply need to pick-up the skeletal remains at some later date. If these pour souls did manage to escape, cameras installed in every crevice of every building would alert the authorities.

This is the price billionaire deviant protection racketeers want Americans to pay so trillion dollar tech companies can advance AI technology. The current lockdown, is just a taste of a more venomous multi-course meal that’ll be forced-fed via numerous other “terrorizing viruses” inducing citizens to be transformed into willing victims.

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Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 24, 2020 11:51 PM

Safra Catz is an Israeli. When it comes to surveillance, the panopticon, and a technology driven global plantation system, all roads lead to Israel, and we are ALL Palestinians now.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 25, 2020 12:30 AM

They’re leaders in the contact surveillance app.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 25, 2020 12:36 AM

The black propaganda that people in Wuhan starved is simply racist hate-mongering from a hard Right psychopath. In fact the millions were kept supplied by an army of delivery-men and women, using motor-cycles and vans, with on-line ordering. No-one ‘disappeared’ but were delivered back to their homes, or hospitals or, if intractable and a danger to others, incarceration. In the failing sewers of Western States, where old people ARE left to die, unattended, in ‘nursing homes’, where black and other poor minorities die at huge rates, while the rich are barely affected, the Chinese success in combating this Fort Detrick virus that was supposed to ‘bring China down’ has led to an ever more vicious campaign of lying, projection and stinking hypocrisy, as you would expect.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 25, 2020 2:07 PM

US liberals and the Democrat Party never gave a fuck about the elderly in nursing homes until they could use COVID -19 for their own political expediency. That being said, you’re delusional about China. Apartments were padlocked, people were thrown in vans and countless are dead. You should take up residence in China as a migrant worker…..

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
Apr 28, 2020 12:11 AM

I am a big fan of Webb. So. Do you have any actual evidence of this?
Given the human propensity for othering that qualifies as plausible but not really credible. Cameras or not.
You portray a level of indifference for their neighbors not seen since the days of East Germany.

breweriana
breweriana
Apr 24, 2020 5:22 PM

The only ones coming out to clap and bang their tin mugs on the walls last night, like cons in the jail scene from the 1930’s James Cagney gangster film ‘White Heat’, were the people this ‘lockdown’ or curfew does not financially affect.

None of the so-called ‘non-essentials’ took part. A clear majority of all residents stayed indoors, silent and unseen.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Apr 24, 2020 5:48 PM
Reply to  breweriana

None at all here B, mostly middle class neighbourhood too.

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Apr 24, 2020 9:11 PM
Reply to  Nemo Nomark

In Swansea the state employed a fancy dress dinasaur that walked around the streets rallying the happy slapperclappers, and the itvwales cameras, just happened to be in the area, no fucker claps around here either, which gives me some hope, which fades greatly when confronting the riottillallocation squad in tescos and seeing folk with masks on, but also very sad at how frightened many have become, state violence imho.

Good to see those tosspots from the 77th brigade making a show here, grew up in our streets, went to our schools etc etc and they betray everything and everyone with thier bollocks, better ways and definately more noble ways to earn a crust, still them being here, reinforces off-guardians perspective, their idiot shit definately back fires.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 24, 2020 11:53 PM
Reply to  breweriana

White Heat was made in 1949. Cagney as a middle-aged, Momma’s boy psychopath was fan-fecking-tastic. ‘Made it, Ma-top of the world!’. Could be the Donald.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Apr 24, 2020 4:32 PM

Hello All,

I’ve been lurking around this site for a good while but not posting. However, I think now it is time to nail my colours to the mast, there is too much at stake. I’ve started posting the following on various sites to try and counter the hysterical fear that I see across the world.

Truth is like gold, you have to sift through tons of sh*t to find it.

We all live in a blizzard of lies, behavioural psychology is being used to manipulate us into a constant state of fear. This makes us more impressionable, then Authority Bias is used to direct us in the desired way. The phenomena known as “White Coat Syndrome” is the current tool.

To put things into perspective, look at the total number of deaths in relation to the total population, i.e. deaths/population, then multiply x 100 to gain the percentage value. Even if you use the distorted published death figures, deaths attributed without testing or giving enough weight to previous co-morbidities as allowed in the new regulations, the figure arrived at is still close to a normal seasonal flu outbreak, roughly 0.01 to 0.03%.

Try it yourself, it’s an easy bit of maths, whatever your country is the figure is roughly the same, 1 to 3 deaths per 10,000 or 0.01 to 0.03 %. The BBC broadcast a figure of 17 deaths per 100,000 of the UK population last week, that’s 0.017%! Most victims have been elderly and/or had co-morbidities, and the death rate is now falling. It is not the Black Death.

This is also reflected in the statement released by Public Health England, the government body responsible for monitoring infectious diseases, on the 19th of March 2020. In this statement they declared that Covid-19, originally classified as a High Consequence Infectious Disease (HCID) in late 2019, had now been downgraded from the status of HCID to that of a normal infectious disease (akin to the status of the common cold or influenza) after examining it’s development in depth. Yet the MSM hysteria continued to grow and government later enacted draconian laws that still continue to disrupt our lives. This pattern of events was similar in virtually every developed nation.

This begs the question “Why would they do this?”, i.e. hype it up. In the words of a well known American President, “It’s the economy, Stupid!”. This is an attempt to reset the world’s bankrupt economy in an orderly fashion, complete with the necessary powers to control us under de-facto martial law, disguised as a medical emergency. As Naomi Kline describes it, “Shock Doctrine”. Trans-National financiers now have enough resources to collectively attempt this, it is the ultimate goal of their globalisation plan.

In the 2018 financial crisis they put a gun to the heads of all the world’s central banks to bail them out. For 12 years they have used many trillions of dollars/pounds/euros etc given to them by the central banks to vacuum up the worlds assets. They are the Men Who Stole The World and now they think they own us all. They have corrupted all the politicians, military and professions worldwide, with a few notable exceptions soon to be dealt with, in preparation for this. How? As Caesar said, “I stuffed their mouths with gold.”. Those who were/are uncompliant were/are blackmailed/framed/fired/ etc., even murdered.

The public relations arm of this financial cartel are fond of expounding the merits of the “Free Market”, a concept developed by the father of modern Economic Theory, Adam Smith, in his treatise on the origin of The Wealth of Nations. They quote him often, but the one quote they never use, which is pivotal to his theory that markets must be regulated to drive out corruption, is “Wherever Merchants gather together in secret, they conspire against the Public Good.”

I guess Adam Smith would be branded a “Conspiracy Theorist” these days too?

Don’t be afraid, it’s what they want. Question everything, “Cui Bono?”- Who Benefits? Reason will triumph over emotion, eventually.

For anyone with an enquiring mind, off-guardian.org is an island of sanity in the ocean of madness we are currently navigating. All opinions are allowed in the comments, free speech is sacrosanct there.

  • I realise I am preaching to the converted here, well mostly, but any comments on the above would be welcome. The comments BTL on this site are the best informed I have come across anywhere and would value any critical analysis, positive or negative. What do you think?

  • Steve Hayes
    Steve Hayes
    Apr 24, 2020 4:45 PM
    Reply to  Nemo Nomark

    Trans-National financiers now have enough resources to collectively attempt this, it is the ultimate goal of their globalisation plan.

    Nemo let me ask how you know (as distinct from think) that it is the global finance capitalists that are pushing this?

    Nemo Nomark
    Nemo Nomark
    Apr 24, 2020 5:10 PM
    Reply to  Steve Hayes

    Good point Steve, it’s a stylistic error on my part that reads like an unfounded assertion. The key to my way of thinking begins with Cui Bono. By deductive reasoning the only logical conclusion is that the only benefit to what is happening is to the Plutocrats who will benefit from the fire sale of assets and consequent debt write-offs that will inevitably follow. As shareholders in the major transnational corporations and banks they stand to gain even more power. They have the deepest pockets and can lose a little to gain even more.

    lundiel
    lundiel
    Apr 24, 2020 9:00 PM
    Reply to  Nemo Nomark

    I have to agree with the logic of that. There was always going to be either hard choices (admitting western economic policy was extremely harmful) or coming up with an acceptable excuse for debt write-offs and reset….hey-ho, here comes super-flu.

    wardropper
    wardropper
    Apr 25, 2020 5:15 AM
    Reply to  Nemo Nomark

    Exactly. Only if this were, in fact, a deadly, naturally-occurring virus, would we be able to use the argument that nobody was intended to benefit from it. Which is precisely why we can expect all kinds of mental contortions to be employed in convincing us that it is, indeed, an admittely unprecedented, yet still naturally-occurring menace… What a joke.

    Steve Hayes
    Steve Hayes
    Apr 25, 2020 10:00 AM
    Reply to  Nemo Nomark

    Nemo, deductive reasoning is a faulty way of establishing an empirical fact. Frankly, I think searching for a rational explanation for the “lockdown” response to the coronavirus is a fool’s errand. In my opinion the elite’s have gone collectively mad.

    But to your reasoning itself. The notion that the finance capitalists would wish to see a mass debt write off does not hold up, as finance capitalists make money by debt. They create money from nothing by debt and that debt is for them an asset that constantly siphons wealth from the real economy through interest. Moreover, they can simultaneously through various forms of financialisation sell those assets, generally to governments, local governments, pension funds, etc, which are often junk, and make even more money. Furthermore, they have already established the principle that the public should underwrite their risks.

    The current levels of debt suit the finance capitalists and they would prefer ever more debt. It is of course a Ponzi scheme, but a Ponzi scheme only collapses when their are no more takers and that is still on the horizon rather than immediately imminent.

    Nemo Nomark
    Nemo Nomark
    Apr 24, 2020 5:15 PM
    Reply to  Steve Hayes

    They also act together, Bilderberg etc. (see my Adam Smith quote), especially in the face of existential threats, like 2008 for example.

    Nemo Nomark
    Nemo Nomark
    Apr 24, 2020 5:18 PM
    Reply to  Nemo Nomark

    Oops, still learning the comments protocols. The above is an addendum to the comment below

    Nemo Nomark
    Nemo Nomark
    Apr 24, 2020 5:40 PM
    Reply to  Nemo Nomark

    AArgh, newbie Nemo

    Mike Ellwood
    Mike Ellwood
    Apr 24, 2020 10:00 PM
    Reply to  Nemo Nomark

    There really should be a “preview” option.

    wardropper
    wardropper
    Apr 25, 2020 3:30 AM
    Reply to  Mike Ellwood

    Or edit.

    clickkid
    clickkid
    Apr 24, 2020 5:03 PM
    Reply to  Nemo Nomark

    I broadly agree that it is very likely cover for a global financial reset. Yesterday the German health minster made a very interesting comment. He said that in a few months we will all have to be ready to forgive each other. I think he was referring to politicians and the general population.

    It was as if he were saying that something is going to happen in the next few months, and that the current measures are a preparation for that, which needed an excuse.

    I think I tend to be among the more optimistic here in that I think that what we see is an ‘ancien regime’ trying to save itself, rather than a tyrannical New World Order in the making.

    I don’t think it will work.

    I could be wrong 😀

    In any case we need to be on guard against the worst outcome, so it’s good to have the ‘pessimists’ on board.

    Nemo Nomark
    Nemo Nomark
    Apr 24, 2020 5:45 PM
    Reply to  clickkid

    Interesting comment from the Health Minister. Perhaps he thinks we are starting to see through the hype. I noticed the happy clapping was was virtually non existent last night (UK Thursday).

    Objective
    Objective
    Apr 24, 2020 7:44 PM
    Reply to  Nemo Nomark

    I happy clap, with one raised middle finger.

    Nemo Nomark
    Nemo Nomark
    Apr 24, 2020 8:24 PM
    Reply to  Objective

    Lol, maybe that’s why I couldn’t hear them, it’s two fingers over here though.

    Cicatriz
    Cicatriz
    Apr 24, 2020 6:08 PM
    Reply to  clickkid

    That is a disturbing statement.

    wardropper
    wardropper
    Apr 25, 2020 3:32 AM
    Reply to  Cicatriz

    Disturbing, yes, but also highly interesting…

    Toby Russell
    Toby Russell
    Apr 24, 2020 9:20 PM
    Reply to  clickkid

    Spahn, right? I saw that. Part of that was asking to be forgiven for their being wrong about the virus. I found that extremely interesting, along the line of rats deserting the sinking ship. I didn’t see the part where das Volk have to ask forgiveness for anything, though.

    In other news, the leader of one of Austria’s opposition parties, Herr Kickl, tore into that country’s leader Sebastian Kurz in a flowing and powerful 10-minute speech in which he accused Kurz, Kurz’s party, the propaganda press and, basically, the PTB, of subterfuge, conspiracy, fear mongering, etc. A sight to behold and broadcast on ÖRF, no less.

    wardropper
    wardropper
    Apr 25, 2020 10:57 PM
    Reply to  clickkid

    While we’re on the German topic, I came across this from a few weeks ago:
    ‘Thomas Schaefer, the finance minister of Germany’s Hesse state, has committed suicide apparently after becoming “deeply worried” over how to cope with the economic fallout from the coronavirus, state premier Volker Bouffier said Sunday (29 March).’ https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/german-minister-commits-suicide-after-virus-crisis-worries/
    I don’t think people usually commit suicide merely because of belonging to a government which is losing control of a crisis, but rather when they see something looming which is going to set a horrible, indelible blot on their own, entirely personal career – something for which they would be personally held to account, or something which was simply too dangerous to mention.
    One would naturally suspect that Herr Schaefer saw such a personal nightmare looming. Economic fallout comes and goes, but personal responsibility does not. Many of us here will undoubtedly follow the scent of this nightmare with considerable interest, and some of us even seem to know already exactly what form it will take…

    Ben
    Ben
    Apr 27, 2020 12:30 PM
    Reply to  clickkid

    Now at the risk of being labelled a loon and I am just putting it out there, the 2012 opening ceremony for the London Olympics is now well known for being mighty weird in hindsight. Tree of good and evil, Calibans speech from the Tempest, Viruses, NHS, Hospital Beds everywhere, dancing doctors and nurses, nanny state in shape of Mary Poppins which is an occult book really etc etc. I went through the whole thing and took notes. I could go on with all the weird references. The music section supposedly a showcase of musical talent contained small excerpts from songs but read as a continuum was almost a narrative. The word June was shown early on on some signs the meaning of which was lost on me in any interpretation.

    6 SIGNS SAY ON THEM THE 6 WORDS:
    FRANKIE JUNE AND SAY THANKS TIM
    THEN CHANGES TO:
    FRANKIE JUNE MERCI ET DISENT TIM

    Later after OMDs Enola Gay comes a section showing an actor whose name I cannot remember flying a WW2 bomber. He is asking a girl her name. She says June. Now June is obviously a month not too far off and Enola Gay was the bomber which dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima. The creeps running this show do operate on a bizarre level but I don’t know if it is this bizarre. In 1988 The Economist set out plans for the new one world currency with a prediction of 2018 for bringing it in. A rising phoenix also featured in the Olympics ceremony. Rational explanations for the very weird nature of this ceremony have so far eluded me. It really didn’t have much to do with sport. Full notes available to anyone who wants them otherwise go check out this bizarre opening ceremony for yourselves. Apparently the theme song of London 2012 was entitled “Survival”. The Arctic Monkeys also played at some stage and out of all the songs possible sang one which ended with the words (numbers) 1984.

    Any thoughts? Polite ones please.

    Shaking My Head
    Shaking My Head
    Apr 24, 2020 8:50 PM
    Reply to  Nemo Nomark

    Ernst Wolff argues similarly in his interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LYjOEib9iI

    He’s also interviewed by a Youtuber here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBv4N9uj-5c

    sam
    sam
    Apr 25, 2020 8:28 PM
    Reply to  Nemo Nomark

    This is a good economic commentator
    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/blog/
    Then follow the money. Look at the Gates Foundation, who they fund and what Gates is saying
    Apart from ID chips and vaccinations, the elite want a cashless society. It seems they also want to destroy small businesses and impoverish many of us.

    Mike Ellwood
    Mike Ellwood
    Apr 24, 2020 4:04 PM

    Here comes the vaccine, and the first lucky people are:

    https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18402410.bicester-family-sign-oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-trial/

    The first trials of the Covid-19 vaccine candidate kick-started in the city yesterday.

    It has been developed by scientists at Oxford University, who have reassured people that they are taking all the vital safety steps, despite its rapid development.

    They have packed five years of work into just four months and have now recruited 1,112 volunteers who will be injected with the new vaccine or a placebo vaccine which actually protects against meningitis.

    Those who sign up for the testing at the Churchill Hospital in Headington will not know which they are given.

    Note that the placebo isn’t really a placebo, thus confirming what (I think) Andrew Kaufman and David Crowe have said on this subjct, that basically pure placebos are no longer used.

    I’m sure that side effects and vaccine damage will be *cough cough* fully reported.

    Grafter
    Grafter
    Apr 24, 2020 5:43 PM
    Reply to  Mike Ellwood

    I propose that all Members of Parliament including the House of Lords (yes they still exist) be injected with this trial vaccine. They have promoted the fear pandemic whether vocally or by their silent acceptance of this propaganda blitz we have been subjected to. We should also nominate all the government’s. “health experts” with professor Ferguson at the head of the inoculation queue.

    Mike Ellwood
    Mike Ellwood
    Apr 24, 2020 6:30 PM
    Reply to  Grafter

    I propose that all Members of Parliament including the House of Lords (yes they still exist) be injected with this trial vaccine. They have promoted the fear pandemic whether vocally or by their silent acceptance of this propaganda blitz we have been subjected to.

    Absolutely. They also allowed the Coronavirus (Enabling) Act 1933 2020 to be passed “on the nod”, implying that they all voted for it, so they should all be subject to the results of the fascism which they have enabled.

    I would almost go further and advocate that their children should also be injected with this trial vaccine, but that’s a step too far. I’m guessing that most of them will be insisting their children get injected with the vaccine ASAP in any case.

    Steve Hayes
    Steve Hayes
    Apr 25, 2020 11:38 AM
    Reply to  Grafter

    Grafter, I would nominate Piers Morgan to be first in line, even if that meant putting him in the House of Lords.

    Cazducky
    Cazducky
    May 17, 2020 2:21 PM
    Reply to  Mike Ellwood

    Check out the gates foundation and who they gave grants to in 2020! Oxford university is Just one of them!

    Steve Hayes
    Steve Hayes
    Apr 24, 2020 3:28 PM

    The numbers to consider are the Office for National Statistics weekly death figures, which are reliable. These are the number of deaths registered for each week. This data has been collected in this manner for many decades. It therefore enables valid and reliable comparisons with previous periods. This data shows that there were fewer deaths than the five yearly average for the corresponding period this year, until the week ending 3 April 2020 (and increase continued the following week): which was the first week to cover the government’s “lockdown” policy. The increase can hardly be coincidental, as the figures show that even taking the inflated coronavirus related deaths at face value, there were more deaths than the five yearly average. The logical inference is that people were dying as a result of the “lockdown” measures.

    Dungroanin
    Dungroanin
    Apr 24, 2020 4:31 PM
    Reply to  Steve Hayes

    Cart ….horse.

    Steve Hayes
    Steve Hayes
    Apr 24, 2020 4:37 PM
    Reply to  Dungroanin

    Dungroanin, your comment is way too cryptic for me.

    Nemo Nomark
    Nemo Nomark
    Apr 24, 2020 9:01 PM
    Reply to  Steve Hayes

    They were already culling the old before this occurred, which I have seen myself.
    The pension deficit has to be addressed after all /s.
    This has probably increased too.

    Steve Hayes
    Steve Hayes
    Apr 25, 2020 10:13 AM
    Reply to  Nemo Nomark

    Nemo, the notion that pension provision is a problem is simply false. Pension provision is simply an intergenerational transfer. As such it is no different to the intergenerational transfer that provides education and care to children and young adults.

    Ken Kenn
    Ken Kenn
    Apr 24, 2020 11:11 PM
    Reply to  Steve Hayes

    Perhaps this is a naive question but here goes:

    There is no way of knowing until after the event(s) what this years number of deaths in the UK were say between April 2019 – April 2020.

    You can look back over the year on year figures and that might vary between say 600k between one date and another and 550k in another year on year observation.

    How do we know what the total should be for April 2019 to April 2020?

    If by February year on year to 2020 the total number of deaths was 400k does that mean that this CV has killed 200k people more than last year since March?

    How do we know what the ‘norm ‘ is at any given point in time?

    Put roughly ,it might be bad year for other viri and a good one for Covid?

    Or it’s a great ( as in bad for us) four months for the Covid and not so good for other viri?

    can we only know the facts once everything gets back to normal- that is: when the other viri are causing their ‘ normal ‘ amount of deaths?

    That appears to vary year on year too.

    ?

    Steve Hayes
    Steve Hayes
    Apr 25, 2020 10:11 AM
    Reply to  Ken Kenn

    Ken the Office for National Statistics registered deaths are published on a weekly basis. This enables comparisons to be made with the five yearly average for the corresponding period, whether that be a particular week or set of weeks or year. The method is both valid and reliable, as the mortality figures are registered deaths for any cause, and the five yearly average irons out variation, and the weekly unit ensures the comparison of like with like.

    Mike Ellwood
    Mike Ellwood
    Apr 25, 2020 8:46 PM
    Reply to  Steve Hayes

    However, you don’t know the delay between the death, the death being registered, and the further delay for it to be collated by the ONS.

    In the time period when people were allegedly dropping like flies, one could imagine all sorts of chaos inevitably leading to delayed and possibly sloppy paperwork

    In the long run, you should be able to depend on the figures. But not in the short term, i.e. I would not necessarily trust weekly figures.

    Also, the possibility that some double-counting has been taking place has been discussed here in the past.

    Steve Hayes
    Steve Hayes
    Apr 26, 2020 10:57 AM
    Reply to  Mike Ellwood

    Mike, your criticisms of the ONS weekly death figures are, frankly, nonsensical. For example, it is impossible for them to contain double counting because they are simply the sum of registered deaths and a death cannot be registered twice.

    Mike Ellwood
    Mike Ellwood
    Apr 26, 2020 1:35 PM
    Reply to  Steve Hayes

    The suggestion of double-counting didn’t originally come from me, but has been mentioned on Off-G a number of times. And that would not imply double-registration (I agree that that is highly unlikely, although not impossible*).

    But could be double-counted for reporting purposes, depending on exactly how it is done.

    Do you have any expert or inside knowledge in this area (e.g. in registration, or in National Statistics collection)? If so, I hope you will “out” yourself and let us know.

    If not, then you can only make suppositions like the rest of us, based on common sense and what we can find out by published official statements.

    If you choose to believe that the ONS published figures are 100% reliable and correct at all times in every detail, then that is your right.

    I reserve the right to be sceptical.

    (* – Not impossible – There is, or was, a well-known loophole in the registration system which made the obtaining of false passports relatively easy, as made famous in the book & film of “The Day of The Jackal”, see:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3098104.stm

    Unless you know the current registration system very well and in detail, then I don’t see how you could say it is 100% free of loopholes, and that double registrations could never take place. I wonder whether, and if so, how often, the system is audited?
    )

    Ben
    Ben
    Apr 27, 2020 2:24 PM
    Reply to  Steve Hayes

    Well they specifically had this on the ONS website until recently at least. I have a screenshot but no idea how to add an attachment here:

    5. A death can be registered with both Covid-19 and Influenza or Pneumonia mentioned on the death certificate, therefore a death may be counted in both categories.

    That certainly sounds like potential for double counting to me.

    Eric Burey
    Eric Burey
    Apr 27, 2020 2:32 PM
    Reply to  Ben

    Do you have a link to the specific page, please?

    Ben
    Ben
    Apr 27, 2020 4:56 PM
    Reply to  Eric Burey

    It maybe still be there but they completely rejigged the page showing these stats about a week or maybe 2 ago and I don’t have the time to go hunting for it now. I did keep a dated screenshot which shows it was on 8th April. I can send that to you but I can’t see that it will add much for you. It was the main stats page for reported total deaths in England.

    Eric Burey
    Eric Burey
    Apr 27, 2020 9:58 PM
    Reply to  Ben

    Have you cleared your browser history? (I’m not being facetious; I clear caches, cookies and history after every session). If not…

    Steve Hayes
    Steve Hayes
    Apr 27, 2020 3:04 PM
    Reply to  Ben

    Ben, death certificates routinely record more than one cause of death, but that does not effect the number of deaths, as the reported figure is all cause mortality.

    Ben
    Ben
    Apr 27, 2020 4:39 PM
    Reply to  Steve Hayes

    Maybe not, maybe it does. Why the need to even point out that a death maybe counted in 2 categories? It’s possible one death is recorded on one set of stats yet under separate stats for reasons for deaths a death maybe recorded under 2 different categories which in itself would be a distortion. It is not written clearly enough to explain what they are actually doing in all honesty but again………why even put that up? Presumably one death is one death with one primary reason recorded. You may well be right but I think it is odd phrasing.

    Paul Liversuch
    Paul Liversuch
    Apr 24, 2020 3:27 PM

    I’ve been saying the same for weeks – see the WHO ‘Guidelines’ which basically state that any death that’s evenly slightly considered maybe CV-19 is reported as such! (I have a copy for anyone that wants it!)

    Arsebiscuits
    Arsebiscuits
    Apr 24, 2020 3:55 PM
    Reply to  Paul Liversuch

    Maybe we all should get that printed on a t shirt and walk around with everywhere especially shops etc with crowds.

    Wake them up!!

    Mrs Gardener
    Mrs Gardener
    Apr 24, 2020 4:47 PM
    Reply to  Arsebiscuits

    Oh there are soooo many t-shirts I want printed.

    This is my current fav

    front – World Fear Tour 2020
    back –

    Featuring
    1999/2000 – YTK will kill us all
    2001 – Anthrax will kill us all
    2002 – West Nile Virus will kill us all
    2003 – SARS will kill us all
    2005 – Bird Flu will kill us all
    2006 – E.coli will kill us all
    2008 – Bad Econmony will kill us all
    2009 – Swine Flu will kill us all
    2010 – BP Oil will kill us all
    2012 – Mayan End of World will kill us all
    2013 – North Korea will kill us all
    2014 – Ebola will kill us all
    2015 – ISIS will kill us all
    2016 – ZIKA will kill us all
    2017 – Migrants will kill us all
    2018 – Fake News will kill us all
    2019 – Measles will kill us all
    2020 – COVID-19 will kill us all

    Objective
    Objective
    Apr 24, 2020 7:48 PM
    Reply to  Mrs Gardener

    2021 – we will all kill ourselves.

    Not via a suicide cult, but just plain stupidity that is socialism (amounts to the same thing)

    Mrs Gardener
    Mrs Gardener
    Apr 24, 2020 9:39 PM
    Reply to  Objective

    Well I think people are generally killing themselves but don’t realise it.

    They believe govt. dieticians, and health advisors, and really think they eat healthily, and that they need their meds because it’s in their genes isn’t it?!??!?!?

    Richard Le Sarc
    Richard Le Sarc
    Apr 24, 2020 11:55 PM
    Reply to  Mrs Gardener

    2020-? The ecological Holocaust WILL kill us all.

    Basileus
    Basileus
    Apr 24, 2020 3:21 PM

    For a statistically sound and generally helpful analysis of the Covid data see the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine: https://www.cebm.net/oxford-covid-19-evidence-service/

    David
    David
    Apr 25, 2020 9:06 AM
    Reply to  Basileus

    Thanks Basileus. Some interesting data to peruse. I notice that there were over 400 excess deaths in Scotland in week 14 for cancer, dementia, respiratory, etc, because of people unwilling or unable to ask for treatment. This would mean about 5,000 if applied proportionately to the UK.

    I will add for scientific completeness that the deaths could also have been from COVID19, but this was not identified as a factor. My views on this probably are the same as most others here.

    Mike Ellwood
    Mike Ellwood
    Apr 24, 2020 3:14 PM

    Meanwhile, some diversionary entertainment for the proles:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8250817/BBC-Comic-Relief-Big-Night-fundraising-TV-gets-underway.html

    I think that we can guarantee that a knighthood for Stephen FriPhone is in the bag.

    “Arise Sir Stephen, Knight Commander of the Order Virtue Signals, for services to Royal Sycophancy”

    As this was for the NHS, I’m surprised Boris hasn’t recommissioned that old favourite “On The Buses”

    https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/Boris-Johnson-1130972.webp?r=1558623618544

    gordon
    gordon
    Apr 24, 2020 3:13 PM

    these new hancock home office tests 100s of thousands is it
    amazon doing the collections and delivery is it
    whats the contract worth 100s of millions is it

    gates amazon boots and tesco got this shit sewn up

    protect the nhs
    protect amazon new health care central services.

    muppets all
    stop using tesco boots and amazon

    soylent green is people
    people

    ame
    ame
    Apr 24, 2020 3:33 PM
    Reply to  gordon

    Wed 10 Jul 2019 
    NHS teams up with Amazon to bring Alexa to patients

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/10/nhs-teams-up-with-amazon-to-bring-alexa-to-patients

    nondimenticare
    nondimenticare
    Apr 24, 2020 5:29 PM
    Reply to  ame

    I hope she’s better at health than she was at getting my sister (her iPhone) and me from a downtown concert hall onto the freeway last year. I finally grabbed the iPhone, turned, it off, and found the way through common sense.

    Grafter
    Grafter
    Apr 24, 2020 3:08 PM

    FEAR FROM SCOTLAND (today)…..

    Social Curbs are now A Fact of Life…. .(Daily Express)

    First Minister: Get Ready for the “New Normal”…….(The Scotsman)

    In Search of a New Normal……(Daily Record)

    The Long and Winding Road Out of Lockdown……(Press & Journal)

    No Return to Normal Life Until Next Year……..(Scottish Daily Mail )

    Question. What do all the above have in common ? Answer. They are all owned by the billionaire/monied class scum of this world we live in. They, along with their political poodles and government “health advisors” are now controlling the narrative. They must not be allowed under any circumstances to get away with this. We are dangerously close to losing our precious hard won freedoms.

    Tom
    Tom
    Apr 24, 2020 3:47 PM
    Reply to  Grafter

    Agreed. I think mass civil disobedience is the way forward. Any other ideas?

    Grafter
    Grafter
    Apr 24, 2020 5:22 PM
    Reply to  Tom

    Tom I do think at grass roots level we should get out every day and talk to as many people as we possibly can. I have been talking to bus drivers, tradesmen, check out operators, newsagents, taxi drivers, delivery drivers etc. Anyone in fact who is amenable to an informal chat. A sense of humour is essential and avoidance of too much statistical dialogue is helpful. Politicians are of course a waste of time and right now should all be on £90 per week before tax.

    Mrs Gardener
    Mrs Gardener
    Apr 24, 2020 7:09 PM
    Reply to  Grafter

    My ‘daily’ walk and any trip anywhere is now taking three times as long because I am engaging anyone that will chat in conversation.

    ame
    ame
    Apr 24, 2020 2:56 PM

    up my way, the clap ritual i noticed last night was not that loud nor noisy
    compared to the last few weeks

    i may when i get a minute make some of them fancy looking graphs and statistics and dazzle you lot with it and show the curve had dropped in clapping !
    new cases of brained washed seem to be dropping

    ;0)

    Loverat
    Loverat
    Apr 24, 2020 3:17 PM
    Reply to  ame

    Lets hope so. Down South London way it started off non existent. A big clap last week. But less fools out last night, but still notable. If this goes on too much longer the real stresses and strains might appear. Plenty of those here too, so a mixed bag for now. Personally speaking, my frustration is boiling over. Three major rows in 3 weeks – more than Ive had in 3 decades. Either I am enjoying the new concept of arguing with others – or this is really affecting people.

    Loverat
    Loverat
    Apr 24, 2020 3:29 PM
    Reply to  Loverat

    I should qualify the above by saying my previous 3 arguments were with:
    1) an overbearing manager who I eventually snapped back.
    2) An estate agent
    3) A solicitor

    All after months of ptolonged contact and shoddy service.

    The last 3 people in recent weeks one off incidents people who took it upon themselves to be Mother Teresa and tell me how to think or officious types in supermarkets.

    marvin
    marvin
    Apr 24, 2020 11:49 PM
    Reply to  Loverat

    Little hitlers in the shops are loving the power trip !!I got pounced on by one in Sainsbury’s for daring to shop with my partner !!

    ame
    ame
    Apr 24, 2020 3:31 PM
    Reply to  Loverat

    Loverat thank you
    2/3+million will get there furloughed 80% of the wages money minus tax ni etc within the next week
    re: UC lot also ‘they ‘know this once poeple figure out it isnt that much compared
    The vibe will change, it already has

    bob
    bob
    Apr 24, 2020 4:17 PM
    Reply to  ame

    don’t forget statutory sick pay too
    £95 from the first day of sickness if you’re covid
    £95 from the fourth day for anyone else
    went up £1.60 per week especially for you!!
    aren’t they thoughtful – discrimination even in health – such a lovely government

    bob
    bob
    Apr 24, 2020 4:21 PM
    Reply to  bob

    when asked whether they could live on £95 per week (to cover all costs) ministers said they couldn’t

    ame
    ame
    Apr 24, 2020 6:12 PM
    Reply to  bob

    why the save the nhs save lives lot 80k Mp s got 10k STAY AT HOME bonus

    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-demand-mps-stripped-10k-18080176

    Arsebiscuits
    Arsebiscuits
    Apr 24, 2020 4:00 PM
    Reply to  Loverat

    You’re doing well, its hard to be the purveyor of truth.
    Its stressful.
    Any forms of healthy escapism you could do to take a break from this covid crap?

    marvin
    marvin
    Apr 24, 2020 11:48 PM
    Reply to  Loverat

    The only ones in my area that clap are the people from 4 houses across the way. They missed the first week and have done the clap from the second week onward. They are a chavvy lot over there !! But i did notice that this last one lacked the enthusiasm of the first two, and finished far sooner !!

    Mrs Gardener
    Mrs Gardener
    Apr 24, 2020 4:51 PM
    Reply to  ame

    Lol I stood outside and as the noise settled down, I shouted ‘Freedom’ I got a few whoops back, then I shouted ‘Let me out’ that got some claps and laughs, then ‘Help, ‘Freedom’ several more times. Just waiting for the neighbours to say ‘was that you shouting last night?’

    Enjoyed it enormously.

    David
    David
    Apr 25, 2020 9:10 AM
    Reply to  Mrs Gardener

    Great work Mrs Gardener. Keep it up. Please update us next week.

    Blane
    Blane
    Apr 24, 2020 2:03 PM

    This whole virus charade is quite obviously a controlled demolition of the economy. Like a large forest fire clearing out the old dead wood so there can be healthy future regrowth, the Covid hysteria will clear out the small and weak businesses so their more powerful competitors can once again flourish. Billionaires simply hate competition, and it appears the very top of the financial pyramid leeches have finally learned to work together for maximum profit and control. Their financial system actually died in September, when the Fed lost control of interest rates in the repo market, but I’m sure the death certificate will list Covid as the cause. Its a brilliantly cunning plan actually. Capitalism simply need this conflagration as a “reset“ to get back to the growth rates it needs to be “healthy.” Of course it’s debatable whether we should preserve this system at all, but not to the people at the top. It’s a big game, and occasionally the players will fight and disagree, but one thing no player will tolerate is someone flipping over the game board. It simply must go on, but criminality has become such a huge part of the game that they apparently need to implement a system of techno surveillance fascism to continue propping it up.

    Blane
    Blane
    Apr 24, 2020 2:38 PM
    Reply to  Blane
    mcdonagh4
    mcdonagh4
    Apr 24, 2020 2:44 PM
    Reply to  Blane

    The problem with your theory is that the limits of growth are being reached . Our global elites are simply trying to retain their ill gotten gains and blame the disasters they have created in the 20th/21st centuries on a virus . Trump did it , Russia did it , China did it , mideast terrorists did it , and wars declared on this, that , and the other tropes have made this ludicrous notion believable to the great human heard , and the cows and bulls leading the charge toward extinction. .

    Blane
    Blane
    Apr 24, 2020 3:20 PM
    Reply to  mcdonagh4

    I’m not sure I understand your disagreement? I concur that the limits of organic growth are being reached, hence the need for a deliberate controlled contraction to get back to the point where growth is possible again. Capitalism is a Ponzi scheme that requires a certain amount of growth to function. Delta Airlines can grow once JetBlue goes under, Walmart can grow once Target goes under, Novartis can grow when they sell a mandated 7 billion vaccines, big corporate hospitals can grow when their smaller competitors are forced into bankruptcy etc.

    Ben
    Ben
    Apr 27, 2020 2:51 PM
    Reply to  Blane

    Capitalism is not a ponzi scheme especially if applied under Austrian economics. Quite the reverse really. It can function in a state of constancy without growth. It promotes the acquisition of “capital” as against debt as favoured by Keynes and modern monetary theory which though never applied as Keynes advocated has been used to siphon off the wealth of the world to the few chosen ones. Ever increasing debt is what requires ever increasing growth in order to finance that system which is a ponzi scheme. Any system using modern monetary theory cannot really properly call itself Capitalist and by extension Capitalism has not existed anywhere in the world for a long time.

    BigB
    BigB
    Apr 24, 2020 3:32 PM
    Reply to  mcdonagh4

    Lions led by anti-entropic donkeys?

    The economy died in 2007. The secular stagnant no-growth recovery made things worse. The September failure was a 2007 redux: that quickly became a 1929 redux because of all the excess liquidity. The ‘real’ economy died circa 1987 with the Big Bang. Or possibly earlier: in the ’70s – with peak exergy …the limits to growth.

    Since then: productive growth – anything you might call human – became cancerous destructive growth …with very little if any life-function enhancement. Everything became disposable means for ever more maximal life-blind paroxysms of oncological growthism. Curiously, no one seemed to mind …apart from green Malthusians like me.

    It has been fucking appalling to watch just how much humanity will countenance inhumanity for a scheckel or two. Still…

    After 2009-11: we really went to overdrive in collectively date-raping the ecological life ground. China led the way to extinction: using as much concrete in three years as America did in an entire century. Long and short: there is no reset. Only a very temporary one. There are not enough materials left to do another China infrastructure overbuild. Or a candidate country …Russia?

    There is the small stumbling block of debt deflation. How do you service all that debt. Workers have been subsidising it since debt financialisation began. And now we are fucking poor and out of credit.

    It’s really fucking bleak. I wish people had taken a bit more notice before. But if you cannot convince people entropy is a fundamental condition of nature …you got no chance. Still we believe we can grow: we can’t.

    What happens to the social order? Nothing good. We are now a control problem. We are not people: we are a statistical mean that must be controlled …or squashed. Radicals made this clear and were ridiculed.

    This is the co-participatory world we made by ignoring the ecology of the Earth System. A cultural value-ethics of a clusterfuck of bullshit imaginaries people still think are real. Entropy exists. Shit depletes faster than nature can replace even the sustainable. Basically, we were ecological morons at a cultural level: and now we have to deal with it.

    To put no fine a point on it: those who think there is a reset …there will be ”dead fascist bounces” of powergrabs and ever more severe economic crashes. We have ten years of petroleum: the good stuff …not that tar shit that is not worth recovering. After that: we ain’t going nowhere.

    It’s make our mind up time: do we want our Stage 6 former lives to metastasis to Stage 7 by clinging on to them? Or do we want an alternative future scenario? All this blame shit needs to stop and people need to commit to total change fast. Wait and see is no option. If we cannot yet see what is coming: we never will.

    Blane
    Blane
    Apr 24, 2020 3:42 PM
    Reply to  BigB

    Beautifully written mate. I’m just anticipating a few more “dead fascist bounces” before they lose total control. I could be wrong of course, but at the moment they have so much control over the narrative and the money that I don’t see us spiraling into complete chaos quite yet. They’re anticipating that scenario of course, hence the mass surveillance coming our way, but these people plan decades in advance.

    Ben
    Ben
    Apr 27, 2020 2:40 PM
    Reply to  Blane

    So its not really capitalism is it. In capitalism businesses are allowed to fail…..all businesses. The markets are not manipulated and intervened in and supply and demand has a bearing on price discovery. All markets are now totally fake. That is not capitalism. I’m not entirely sure what it is now or has been for a long time. Maybe Kleptocracy, maybe Crony Capitalism, maybe Fascism, maybe National Socialism……..but it’s definitely not Capitalism.

    Cesca
    Cesca
    Apr 24, 2020 1:41 PM

    Will warn that some of what David says in this recent interview might disturb you, if it seriously resonates with you. I personally found i couldn’t disagree with anything he said. The interviewer obviously has a shock to his core beliefs and struggles a lil against David, in an effort to preserve those beliefs. The efforts are clearly futile tho: David Icke – Conspiracy Theorist or Journalist? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg-GC8AW6cc

    P R Ivy
    P R Ivy
    Apr 24, 2020 1:47 PM
    Reply to  Cesca

    Why link something that one doesn’t agree with, what has david icke got to do with this article, sorry if I come across as cynical but when I see posts like this, I immediately think the motivation and the purpose is to divert attention away and pervert the actual article.

    As for Icke, useful idiot for the state, but here in this article he has no bearing.

    Cesca
    Cesca
    Apr 24, 2020 1:51 PM
    Reply to  P R Ivy

    No worries ivy, always question m8. Actually, what i said was i couldn’t disagree with anything David said, i’d go so far as to say i totally agree with him. Watch the interview and you’ll c how relevant to the article it is, personally think it might be the most important interview i’ve seen. All that’s good =)

    Arsebiscuits
    Arsebiscuits
    Apr 24, 2020 2:15 PM
    Reply to  Cesca

    Icke not saying anything new. If anything he discredits others who have deeper knowledge,who aren’t a hired goon to kill the argument, and not get fixated on lizards and the like.

    Binra
    Binra
    Apr 25, 2020 11:48 AM
    Reply to  Arsebiscuits

    Icke frames everything in ‘They are doing this to you!” from an agenda of bitterness and vendetta, while giving lip service to the higher vibrational qualities of Presence.

    He thus gathers the information that supports his self vindication as ammunition and marketing for support.

    In this he is not so different from any mind given to spite that may of course be founded in a sense of being grievously and unjustly denied.

    Icke speaks as ‘the man in the pub’ to opinions that lock the opinionated into ‘being right’ – no matter what.

    His ‘coming out’ or expose of virus dogma is indeed NOT new and yet IS pivotal to undoing slavery under ‘medical paradigm’. Whether Icke will do a Trump or a Blair on the issue (smear by association as negative conditioning) is up to the individuals concerned. Likewise for polarised fear agenda specific to 5G concerns which are in my opinion NOT causation for what is being defined as covid19, but are potential aggravating suspects to properly investigate in their effects on our biofield and consequent genetic and cellular integrity.

    There are many leads that can be followed with regard to questioning the current marketised and weaponised ‘virus religion’ – which is a deeply-set version of fear protection running as an energy source for a control agenda or surrogate power.

    Some readers here can see this pattern in our current situation, but uncovering it in our own consciousness is not a matter of masking opinion but of the heart’s decision.

    Surrogate power is derogated power. Fear of lack gives a sense of self-isolation, social separation and lockdown into surrogate power derived from an external source, that overrides inner recognition and alignment.

    Dont look only at the forms of what is being presented – especially in terms of merely supporting what the reactive habit is primed or conditioned to hear or see. Zoom out to notice the way in which it is being presented and the emotional context or frame of its message.

    Just the recognition of a deceitful and coercive manipulation is enough for me to recognise that I need not give trust the ‘news’ on this extremely heavily asserted narrative. That people of integrity challenge and reveal what is actually going on is more of a way into why – because the narrative is a pretext by which to further condition habit response as an effective bot-net of compliance and support.

    Before you suggest I am telling you that THEY are doing this to us, I remind you that you have to take the bait to complete the contract and that lockstepping in fear doesn’t have to be overly planned out as conspirational when believed to be self-protective. Negatively defined self interest operates like Adam Smith’s ‘Invisible Hand’. Of course this can be personified in various agencies and visible personages, but as soon as we do this as a ‘short cut’ we run the risk of polarising in vengeance and therefore by definition serving a captured or controlled ‘opposition’.
    Of course those most heavily invested in germ-fear theory for profit OR protection will make a racket with which to swat team opposition or drown out open debate.
    Immune response can be misidentified or hacked to operate the disease set against the cure.
    True identification is addressing the problem where it is – and not where it is ‘flagged’ to, as any kind of cover story. But this cannot be forced upon the mind as yet unready or unwilling to re-evaluate its own conflicted condition. If our initial willingness to do so is itself fearfully distorted, it is still a step from which another can follow as a process of growing true critical awareness in place of acquired habit-driven behaviours.

    “I am not a scientist but it is the right and duty of every citizen to look and see what the scientists have said and to analyse it for themselves and to draw common sense conclusions. We are all perfectly capable of doing that and there’s no particular reason why the scientific nature of the problem should mean we have to resign our liberty into the hands of scientists. We all have critical faculties and it’s rather important, in a moment of national panic, that we should maintain them”.

    Jonathon Sumption. Former Supreme Court Justice: ‘
    This is what a police state is like’
    The Spectator

    Attacking others errors as a way to denigrate and claim superiority is a cover story set over our own errors. Fear of exposure to lack of legitimacy runs its own protection racket as its survival – in your name.

    ame
    ame
    Apr 24, 2020 2:49 PM
    Reply to  Cesca

    if 50 % of what ickes says is nonsense
    then the 50% he has said this was 20 year back future ist is worth it weight in gold now

    Geoff
    Geoff
    Apr 24, 2020 2:24 PM
    Reply to  Cesca

    I don’t follow David Icke, although sometimes he comes out with decent stuff, but when he claims the moon is hollow and made of metal , and other silly things, people just don’t want to talk to you, they think you’re an idiot? why hasn’t he had an accident ?

    Grafter
    Grafter
    Apr 24, 2020 2:32 PM
    Reply to  Geoff

    Read and watch as much as you can but don’t “follow” anyone. Make up your own mind based on logic and truth.

    Stewart
    Stewart
    Apr 24, 2020 2:38 PM
    Reply to  Cesca

    “David Icke – Conspiracy Theorist or Journalist?”
    He’s neither, he is a state-controlled psy-op and his purpose is to “blackwash” various truths that have got out by adopting them, while at the same time talking about reptilian aliens.
    By promoting this utterly puerile “theory” that 5G is transmitting covid-19, with enormous publicity from his alma mater the BBC, he is blackwashing the real anti-5G protesters as lunatic arsonists while at the same time confirming to his followers that this pandemic is real.

    Cesca
    Cesca
    Apr 24, 2020 2:52 PM
    Reply to  Stewart

    Can tell you haven’t watched the vid b4 posting this rubbish Stewart. Seriously recommend watching the video, it isn’t David who looks like a foolish conspiracy theorist to me. Not that there’s anything wrong with being a rational conspiracy theorist, most of us come to sites like OffG cos that’s exactly what we are =)

    Arsebiscuits
    Arsebiscuits
    Apr 24, 2020 3:30 PM
    Reply to  Cesca

    The guy interviewing him is in for the views. Its like getting Dale Winton interviews him.

    wardropper
    wardropper
    Apr 25, 2020 3:50 AM
    Reply to  Cesca

    It’s not what we are; it’s what the mainstream like to call us. Most of us here are intelligent amateur political researchers, often with professional training in other areas, while a real “conspiracy theorist” obviously sees conspiracies both where they are, and where they are not. That’s why we are dismissed with that term.

    Cesca
    Cesca
    Apr 25, 2020 6:54 AM
    Reply to  wardropper

    Et tu wardropper? =) Good to see u but hmm, if ur questioning it, i definitely didn’t make the intent of that particular comment clear. My somewhat twisted sense of humour had been triggered, so i was playing around with the CIA implanted false concept, of what a conspiracy theorist is. Conspiracy theory is as valid as any other type of theory, including scientific theories, particularly when it’s used to explore the many false narratives the powers that shouldn’t be deluge with us.

    Hope this reply makes sense, all that’s good =)

    wardropper
    wardropper
    Apr 25, 2020 8:46 PM
    Reply to  Cesca

    I’m no traitor to the cause of truth, Cesca, so “Et tu wardropper?” really doesn’t apply. I get that you were being light-hearted about definitions, and I was similarly being theatrically school-masterly about “conspiracy theorists” in the context of what the public generally considers those people to be. It is obviously a dangerous term to use because of the negative reputation it has acquired as a result of some people seeing conspiracy everywhere, and clearly wanting to.
    In my own case, I would like nothing better than to trust “the authorities”, since they are supposed to be exactly the people in our society who are most worthy of our trust. But today they are not. Therefore I do not trust them at all. They consider a politician’s statement to carry as much weight as a good scientist’s research, but it does not. They censor the work of good scientists so that all the general public gets to hear by default is either the superficial chatter of bribed and corrupted amateurs, or threatened professionals. All is good =)

    Cesca
    Cesca
    Apr 26, 2020 7:54 AM
    Reply to  wardropper

    *It is obviously a dangerous term to use because of the negative reputation it has acquired as a result of some people seeing conspiracy everywhere, and clearly wanting to.*

    That is a v.good point wardropper and duly noted, i’m aware i sometimes let my puckish soh run away with me, when it would be wiser to keep quiet. Meant the *et tu..* as humour friend, absolutely know we’re both on the side of the angels and glad to hear that all is good =)

    wardropper
    wardropper
    Apr 26, 2020 9:39 PM
    Reply to  Cesca

    I didn’t really take the “et tu” so seriously – just practising my over-reacting skills a bit : )

    Geoff
    Geoff
    Apr 24, 2020 3:00 PM
    Reply to  Stewart

    I totally agree bigclivedotcom on youtube I think he’a an electronic engineer breaks all this 5g down on on one of his recent videos very interesting, he has no political view one way or the other , what about Corbyns brother I’m not so sure I go along with what he says, or Galloway

    Mike Ellwood
    Mike Ellwood
    Apr 24, 2020 3:20 PM
    Reply to  Geoff

    Big Clive is a bit of a star in his own way. Been following him on and off for a year or so. As you say, not political; just knows his electronic onions.

    Arsebiscuits
    Arsebiscuits
    Apr 24, 2020 4:07 PM
    Reply to  Geoff

    Piers is on the ball. Been beating the climate change hoax for years. He’s a very well renowned meteorologist who rarely wrong on his forecasts.

    Geoff
    Geoff
    Apr 24, 2020 4:13 PM
    Reply to  Arsebiscuits

    I always thought so , but yesterday he was on the Richie Allen show , and was blaming 5G for this ‘pandemic’

    Ben
    Ben
    Apr 27, 2020 3:11 PM
    Reply to  Stewart

    Well you clearly haven’t listened to him because he has never said that 5G is transmitting Covid-19. You made that up. How would what he says confirm to his followers that this pandemic is real?. What nonsense.

    wardropper
    wardropper
    Apr 25, 2020 4:37 AM
    Reply to  Cesca

    I can’t imagine why anyone might be “disturbed” by this interview. Many times in my life I have encountered people who are narcissistically ensnared by something which makes them feel unique, or special. I have never found such people “disturbing”, but usually rather irritating, because you get little from them which might persuade you that they are not just another “false prophet”, or merely self-centred sensationalists.
    Probably most of us have mysterious things and events within the sphere of our own life experience, but we would hesitate to talk about them in an interview simply because nothing of what we say about these mysterious things can be objectively proven, while saying, “But I just know it’s true.”, quite rightly antagonizes intelligent questioners.
    I do not dismiss the notion of psychic people at all, but persuading me to act on what they say would take more than a TV interview, especially when what they are saying is pretty much beside the point. Here, the point is what is going on behind the hysteria surrounding CoVid19, and I’m listening to informed opinion on that subject because the scientific procedures being followed, or not followed, by the “authorities”, along with their very unscientific political pronouncements, paint an arbitrary picture of medical reality which makes no sense to me, based on my fairly reasonable knowledge of physiology and human society in general.
    Just as an aside, the main reason I do not dismiss the idea that psychic people exist is practically the same reason I would not dismiss the idea that people who can distinguish between the colours blue and green exist, even if I were colour blind. Sheer experience has taught me that the spectrum of human ability in all walks of life is enormously broad, and it would make no sense to me at all to say either that nobody can see a difference between blue and green just because I can’t, or that everybody can see the difference except for a few stubborn people who refuse to… I’m sure most of us here have enough life experience to know that in all sorts of ways we are at different levels, with billions of possible combinations of our various abilities. Which is precisely what one of our possible futures threatens to attempt to cancel out…

    Cesca
    Cesca
    Apr 25, 2020 8:14 AM
    Reply to  wardropper

    It is a long interview wardropper, not sure if u watched it thru. Most of the interview is where David demonstrates his knowledge and understanding of many experiments/studies, which prove what we are told about this *novel* cv, is a heap of shit. He was asked about what triggered the personal ideology he has had for about the last 25 or so years, so he explained them. What’s fascinating is how his beliefs haven’t interfered with his ability to assimilate/process/ disseminate information, which is scientifically based. It’s actually important to know about his belief system, to understand highly important, rational ideas, he expresses later in the interview.

    Personally, i found his personal beliefs seriously interesting and have an open mind about them. As an anthropologist who is top researcher for the ethical small company i work for, i have found “there are more things in heaven and earth horatio…* and have witnessed some pretty weird stuff thru my research and travels.

    wardropper
    wardropper
    Apr 25, 2020 9:23 PM
    Reply to  Cesca

    Yes, I watched it through. He has an impressive memory, and I am happy to give him full credit for what he can do, and what he has done. His beliefs also interest me, but to my mind they are not automatically relevant to those “rational ideas” of his which you mention. When it comes to “beliefs”, I have enough of my own, and building bridges between them and the laws of physics and nature seems to be a more important use of my time than looking at other people’s bridges without direct access to what’s going on in their minds. I hope that makes sense to you.
    I don’t dismiss Icke at all, but I am not convinced that I could fruitfully build upon his efforts. Also you are certainly right about there being “more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio…” Good luck with your ethical research. That’s what we desperately need today, along with plenty of other ethical things in general.

    Thom
    Thom
    Apr 24, 2020 1:40 PM

    This is a timely reminder not to trust the government statistics. But of course inflating the figures or producing out of date ones poses its own risks for the government, as it makes them look incompetent and the lockdown appear ineffective.
    In the end, it’s ‘the economy stupid’. You can have all the ideology, propaganda and coercion in the world, as the Soviet Union, did but if you can’t pay the bills it’s finished.
    Here in the UK we were already in a precarious economic position before anyone had even heard of the coroavirus, so I imagine the laws of economic gravity will kick in pretty soon, even if nothing else does before that.

    lundiel
    lundiel
    Apr 24, 2020 1:35 PM

    Can someone tell me if I’ve got this right? When they say “deaths in hospital are X and total deaths are Y”, they are including post mortem results in the daily hospital results. Therefore they are counting those people twice as they have already appeared in the total deaths for the day after they died. All this would put us significantly behind the curve and prolong lockdown unnecessarily.

    Grafter
    Grafter
    Apr 24, 2020 2:36 PM
    Reply to  lundiel

    THEY are “including” everything. The way it’s going Boris’s cat and dog will be included should they succumb.

    marvin
    marvin
    Apr 24, 2020 11:53 PM
    Reply to  lundiel

    They aren’t doing post mortum’s on Corvid patients ! That was part of the coronovirus bill – the lack of a coroners inquest ! So they are never going to disprove the figures ! A coroner in Germany had a tough time getting hold of bodies to conduct post mortums on and he found what we know – that a lot of the time the cause of death wasn’t Corvid !

    Ben
    Ben
    Apr 27, 2020 3:19 PM
    Reply to  marvin

    There’s a Youtube video about 50 covid-19 autopsies in Bergamo Italy. Here:

    Anyone speak Italian?

    Cesca
    Cesca
    Apr 24, 2020 1:33 PM

    The lies reported in this excellent article are only the thin end of the wedge, when questioning the existence of this so called novel cv is totally valid too. It’s existence is unproven as PCR testing is used, which just can’t prove the identity of individual CVs.

    Jane
    Jane
    Apr 24, 2020 1:16 PM

    I checked what you are saying for April 21st and found that daily announced deaths were 778, a total arrived at by adding up deaths each day for the past month, from March 21st to April 20th,. The results for April 21st itself were “awaiting verification” and marked as zero. Yet when I checked in the Sun, choosing a newspaper at random, they report deaths for April 21st as 828. No wonder people believe it’s the apocalypse. (Presumably the slightly higher total in the Sun is accounted for by verified deaths on April 21st which would make 828 – 778 = 50.) Incidentally, the highest number of deaths during this period occurred on April 19th – 236. Of these 130 occurred among people over eighty years old and 87 among people between the ages of 60-79. It is important that this information should be more widely known.

    tonyopmoc
    tonyopmoc
    Apr 24, 2020 1:26 PM
    Reply to  Jane

    Are those figures exact? “a total arrived at by adding up deaths each day for the past month, from March 21st to April 20th”. If you have got a link to the official source document, I will get my calculator out. Thanks

    Jane
    Jane
    Apr 24, 2020 2:17 PM
    Reply to  tonyopmoc

    Just click “here” in the article.

    tonyopmoc
    tonyopmoc
    Apr 24, 2020 4:08 PM
    Reply to  Jane

    Thanks. I’m too tired to add up now. Been digging my garden to grow food. It’s not that I didn’t trust what you were saying. I just found it hard to believe.

    Christopher Clarke
    Christopher Clarke
    Apr 24, 2020 12:49 PM

    Off Guardian – why do you keep deleting my posts that show where you have made an error in your stats? Scared? Something to hide?

    The comments in question can be seen here. We have no idea why this person is claiming they were deleted – Admin

    George Mc
    George Mc
    Apr 24, 2020 1:07 PM

    Funny how the one they didn’t delete was this one where you don’t give details.

    clickkid
    clickkid
    Apr 24, 2020 1:26 PM
    Reply to  George Mc

    Yeah funny that.

    So, theoretically OffG has to prove that they didn’t censor – ie prove a negative.

    mmmmm

    Screenshot Mr Clarke – append it to your next comment.

    Reg
    Reg
    Apr 24, 2020 1:31 PM

    You mean like this one that your beloved MSM didn’t report at all? Hiding something, dear boy?

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

    tonyopmoc
    tonyopmoc
    Apr 24, 2020 1:35 PM

    I am far from convinced that it is Off Guardian who are deleting posts. The software they use is still definitely a bit buggy, and there may well be other reasons why posts either don’t appear or disappear. They have suffered numerous Denial of Service attacks. Those who did them may be using other techniques now. This may explain, why some regular posters are no longer posting.

    Tony

    bob
    bob
    Apr 24, 2020 2:15 PM

    77th brigade Rus – hey??? they are illiterate and stupid

    Carrot not Stick
    Carrot not Stick
    Apr 24, 2020 2:37 PM

    There is often a delay so wait a while

    gordon
    gordon
    Apr 24, 2020 12:17 PM

    Virus break-out > Lockdown > Vaccinate > Release > Virus break-out > Lockdown > Vaccinate > Release >
    Virus break-out > Lockdown > Vaccinate > Release
    the new normal timeline is:

    Virus break-out > Lockdown > Vaccinate > Release > Virus break-out > Lockdown > Vaccinate > Release >
    Virus break-out > Lockdown > Vaccinate > Release

    gates it > got it > good

    hope
    hope
    Apr 24, 2020 12:10 PM

    Id be thankful if off-guardian or someone could tell me which countries have not restricted freedom in any way. Regarding Sweden, Im not sure what to believe: the advisor to the government as well as the previous one, who are in charge of its measures claim they have implemented social distancing, border closure, and other measure even suggested the first one may become permanent, saying that it has no impact on humans and society. This statement would be ludicrous were it not scary.
    No, what Im looking for is a country without any measures, a country that has kept its full sanity and humanity in this respect. Does Iceland qualify? Where else? Interestingly, no search engine leads you to a site with such a list. Either no one has tried to list those, or wondered whether there are any, or search engines are strongly orienting your search.

    By no measures, I do not mean a re-education of the masses about basic hygiene which the reliance on medical treatments had seriously undermined.

    clickkid
    clickkid
    Apr 24, 2020 12:43 PM
    Reply to  hope

    Have you got sources please for those allegedSwedish Statements, in particular regarding permanent ‘social distancing’

    hope
    hope
    Apr 24, 2020 2:07 PM
    Reply to  clickkid

    Yes, you’ll find one of them here: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/15/sweden-coronavirus-rates-easing-despite-loose-rule/

    To be precise, according to the article,
    ” Dr. Tegnell said the Swedish approach will allow the country to maintain social distancing measures in the long term without putting the economic system at risk.”

    (Dr Tegnell is the main person behind the Swedish approach).

    So not I guess permanently is an exaggerated interpretation, but long term could mean anything.

    hope
    hope
    Apr 24, 2020 2:45 PM
    Reply to  clickkid

    I had answered your question. But my answer does not seem to have appeared.

    So here goes again: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/15/sweden-coronavirus-rates-easing-despite-loose-rule/

    (he says long term, not permanent, sorry I got it wrong, but long term can be interpreted any way one likes).

    Alan Tench
    Alan Tench
    Apr 24, 2020 12:54 PM
    Reply to  hope

    Despite obvious issues with Wikipedia, it remains a good place to start. Have a look a this article for some specific info about lockups (as ever, go to the indicated sources for more definitive information:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curfews_and_lockdowns_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic

    Also look a the main article and follow up with the subsidiary articles and their sources:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic

    bob
    bob
    Apr 24, 2020 2:19 PM
    Reply to  hope

    maybe this info is not that important – what is revealing is that the lockdown countries have higher death rates (the experiment group) and the non-lockdown countries have a far lower death rate (control group) – question – who’s running the UK? and wher is Boris?

    Kalen
    Kalen
    Apr 24, 2020 2:24 PM
    Reply to  hope

    In Belarus 8000 test positive, 60 dead, Lukashenka imposed no lockdown nor social distancing. Went on TV ask families to increase personal hygiene, to take care of elderly, sick or with poor health, protect them, not necessarily isolate them, from exposure of virus, any virus from young and healthy asymptomatic carries and ordered hospital system to provide adequate supplies, equipment and that doctors be ready for potential surge in pneumonia or respiratory disease cases. None so far materialized to the level that would substantially tax the hospitals capacity.

    He encouraged people to go outside to parks or forests to be exposed to sun even elderly, get fresh air, good food and vitamin supplements.

    And most of all he asked people not to panic as panic kills.

    Reg
    Reg
    Apr 24, 2020 5:23 PM
    Reply to  Kalen

    They must have dialled up the hate on Belarus.

    ame
    ame
    Apr 24, 2020 12:09 PM

    from welfare to work 1990 2010 to work to welfare 2020

    sabelmouse
    sabelmouse
    Apr 24, 2020 12:04 PM

    from fb, i think ….:(

    “Possible checkmate scenario:

    1st wave was a hoax/normal flu. They know that a small part of the population will see through it and minimize the pandemic threat vocally. Some people will also loudly protest the lockdown and social distancing.

    2nd wave will be real, with lots of death. Either 1) an actual military grade weaponized virus OR 2) recently installed 5G starts “beam-forming” on people’s heads/chests preventing oxygen uptake (remember, 5G is 60ghz which is the frequency of oxygen hemoglobin uptake) , which will produce respiratory distress identified as CV symptoms. People of all ages will be dying, even the young, since 5G has been installed in schools. This will 1) totally discredit truthers who questioned the seriousness of the ‘pandemic’ 2) discredit lockdown protesters as irresponsible, destroying possibility of any future protests 3) destroy the premise that only the old are vulnerable, and 4) cause a massive and harsh lockdown, worse than before, accompanied by internal border checkpoints. With virtually no resistance.” – Ashiya Austin

    This seems plausible to me, but I think it will be a combination of 5G and the vaccine – 5G is already operational in many cities, and we are not seeing the effects described above. 5G may interact with components of the vaccine to produce dire effects. All of which will be blamed on “the virus”.

    DAVID
    DAVID
    Apr 24, 2020 12:16 PM
    Reply to  sabelmouse

    Or the nasal swab they are currently using to test people.

    NowhereOH
    NowhereOH
    Apr 24, 2020 1:19 PM
    Reply to  DAVID

    Exactly. Or the new, deadly chimera virus could be in the vaccine. All this talk of biometric testing and taking one’s temperature just to enter the workplace… suddenly so many people want to interact with my bodily fluids. BAD TOUCH!

    clickkid
    clickkid
    Apr 24, 2020 12:45 PM
    Reply to  sabelmouse

    What about the economic consequences?

    Jean Wilson
    Jean Wilson
    Apr 24, 2020 11:49 AM

    Saw this great notice:
    WHO & CDC now recommends everyone wear a blindfold to protect them from what’s really going on.

    Jean Wilson
    Jean Wilson
    Apr 24, 2020 11:48 AM

    Saw this great notice “WHO and CDC now recommend everyone wear a blindfold to protect them from seeing what’s really going on”

    Geoff
    Geoff
    Apr 24, 2020 3:16 PM
    Reply to  Jean Wilson

    Very good!

    Reg
    Reg
    Apr 24, 2020 11:36 AM

    Snippets from a press conference called by a California MD about the “pandemic” numbers. The full press conference is in a link below this video. Mainstream media hacks at the event treat the doctor sneeringly. We need the guillotine back.

    JudyJ
    JudyJ
    Apr 24, 2020 12:10 PM
    Reply to  Reg

    The whole presentation given by Drs Erickson and Massihi is linked here. They cover so much ground it is invaluable viewing from beginning to end.

    To give people a taster…
    Press Q. Why are physicians [as you say] being pressurised into putting Covid19 as cause of death?”
    Answer: “It’s not science. There’s something else going on.”

    Doctor E: “When people are told that they are ‘safe’ [by complying with the lock down measures] what this means is that they are ‘under control’. It’s a test of how much freedom they can take from you before people start to object.”

    There is a blip in the film at about 58 minutes where a Joe Biden broadcast appears for about 30 seconds so viewers will need to skip that to resume the doctors’ conference.

    https://twitter.com/Woofcoast/status/1253387968032632832

    Offlands
    Offlands
    Apr 24, 2020 12:34 PM
    Reply to  Reg

    Great video. If we apply the same logic to the UK same result:

    Source: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

    As of 9am on 23 April, 583,496 tests have concluded, with 23,560 tests carried out on 22 April.

    425,821 people have been tested, of whom 138,078 have tested positive.

    As of 5pm on 22 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 18,738 have died.

    138,078 as a percentage of 583,496 is 32.43%. An assumption now but apply that to the population of the UK (66.65M) then that would imply that 21,565,950 are potentially infected. The death rate stays the same at 18,738 which would therefore imply a mortality rate of 0.086% – says it all really.

    Klein
    Klein
    Apr 24, 2020 1:29 PM
    Reply to  Offlands

    Great news – just one thing, the way he extrapolates out the percentages from the sample; is that something that is done routinely ?
    Basically, is it scientific to do that?

    Robert Koch
    Robert Koch
    Apr 24, 2020 2:28 PM
    Reply to  Klein

    It’s common practice in statistics. Whether you think statistics is a science is up to you.
    They do have a pretty big n though, which makes the extrapolation somewhat more significant.

    Klein
    Klein
    Apr 24, 2020 2:33 PM
    Reply to  Robert Koch

    Ok – the only thing I’m wondering is that in the UK with them only testing people who are sick, would that skew our sample a bit?
    Basically with our testing being so lamentable, it would make our data worthless unless we can ramp it up and test more widespread along with antibody testing.

    Robert Koch
    Robert Koch
    Apr 24, 2020 2:51 PM
    Reply to  Klein

    It’s even worse. They have no clue what they are testing for.

    Lost in a dark wood
    Lost in a dark wood
    Apr 26, 2020 3:17 AM
    Reply to  Reg

    This is a key part of the dam bursting, although most of what they state has been known for a month or more.

    Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing (23 Apr 2020)

    Part 1 (51:55): https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU

    Part 2 (12:28): https://youtu.be/zb6j7o1pLBw


    From Gateway Pundit:
    Two California doctors of immunology and owners of a Bakersfield Urgent Care facility say only the sick and immuno-compromised individuals must be quarantined, not healthy people.
    Via KIRO News 23 –Doctors Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi said their facilities have tested over 5,200 patients for the coronavirus throughout the county, making up for over half of all testing in Kern. According to their data, the death rate of the coronavirus is similar in prevalence to the flu.

    Dungroanin
    Dungroanin
    Apr 24, 2020 11:35 AM

    This is exactly why the only reliable information is the number of total deaths registered with the hatch, match, despatch INDEPENDENT agency – the Office for National Statistics – even these could be better of they reported it daily, by the day & time of death as the most granular data available – even if it is a week or so late ( though why it is is beyond their ability to explain!).

    That is the only national transparent Organisation not under control of the political government of the day and its ministers.

    That is why such mischief is possible with OUR numbers and Conspiracies, Real and Imaginary abound, in the masd media and alt news – who use EVERY opportunity to advance their agendas, open or secret.

    marvin
    marvin
    Apr 25, 2020 12:16 AM
    Reply to  Dungroanin

    Not really. The ONS uses the data from the Death Certificates – and there are many articles on here explaining the inaccuracy of the cause of death stated on those !

    David
    David
    Apr 24, 2020 11:23 AM