WATCH: “Dr Erickson Covid19 Briefing” CENSORED by YouTube

This is the full version of the press conference, called by doctors Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi, to release the results of their Covid19 testing program.

The video, initially broadcast on a local television station in California, went viral on youtube garnering over 4.3 million views…before YouTube took the video down, without explanation.

The two doctors, who own and run a clinic in Bakersfield, report that – according to their results – a higher than expected percentage of people are infected with the coronavirus, but that the vast majority show no symptoms. This is in line with other studies done at Stanford University and by Japanese scientists in China.

If true, the danger of the virus may have been greatly exaggerated by the media, and shelter in place orders/lockdown policies could – through poverty, suicide and stress – potentially cause more damage than they prevent.

Apart from the video being taken down, the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) released a joint statement which accused them of attention-seeking to further their careers, but didn’t actually refute their arguments.

Whether they prove to be right or wrong, whether you agree or disagree with their theories or political opinions, is there anything in the video that justifies banning it or undermining free speech?

In the interests of open information and informed debate, OffGuardian uploaded a version of this video to YouTube. It received 60 views and was removed for “inappropriate content”. The current embedded version is hosted on BitChute. Since, for some reason, BitChute embeds do not include a clickable link – you can visit the video on-site by clicking here.

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John Brigham
John Brigham
May 9, 2020 11:30 PM

Issues with the testing are at the center of this. This video has a concise summary: no politics, no interpretation. Summary of summary: this test is complex and outside of the normal activities of regular medical technology

https://youtu.be/mn4yXyj2xdU

(this video is good and I am trying to attract the attention it deserves. Help)

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 4, 2020 5:58 PM

The HighWire with Del Bigtree
Censored Doc Doubles Down
1 May 2020

Dr. Daniel Erickson, owner of seven CA urgent care facilities, was thrown into the spotlight after his press conference on the COVID 19 stirred up enough controversy to get censored by YouTube. Here’s Del’s follow-up interview and this doc’s message is clear: he is not backing down.

Georgia Varjas
Georgia Varjas
May 4, 2020 3:35 PM

Millions get it – few die. That is the key. This flu bug lasts a season but the damage, abuse to women and children , business and commerce is for a lifetime. The numbers don’t add up from any data anywhere. Thousands die from flu every year and locking up healthy people is the most idiotic idea that can only come from the brain of an academic. Look at the death toll in Germany and Turkey, do they add up??? Panic and fear is the real illness here. And a fear virus spreads fast. So refreshing to hear two men qualified, educated and working not just talking …we need to support them and spread the word. Millions get it – few die…Stop the illegal lockdown and Watch out for bill gates….

Balenda Ganem
Balenda Ganem
May 21, 2020 12:34 AM
Reply to  Georgia Varjas

Over 60,000 have died in two and a half months. That is your idea of few! I hope you go back to work and if not, volunteer, you don’t need a mask or gloves! I wish you a long life in this plague,

frank orr
frank orr
Oct 31, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  Balenda Ganem

doubt was your friend balenda but then you say or text something, now we don’t your doubt lack of intelligence.

Karel Bata
Karel Bata
May 3, 2020 11:55 AM

Arithmetic is not their strong point. He’s not parsing the figures.

The number of people who have the virus in the population as a whole is not the same as the number of people who tested positive in the total number of tests. Those tests will include a sample of the population outside of hospitals (basically those suspected of having the virus thus being a rather biased sample) and will also include everyone who presented with C-19 in a hospital, thereby skewing the figures.

Does it also take account of those who were tested more than once..?

Worse, the figures for infection and death are out of sync by two weeks. To see how many die as a consequence of the virus you have to use the figures of those infected from two weeks ago because you don’t die instantly. That’s because the death figures lag behind the infection figures by at least two weeks. If you do that you get very different numbers.

Two weeks.

Jeez. Simple arithmetic.

There’s also some dodgy stuff about immunology.

Immunity doesn’t fade rapidly. They had no data to support that. Besides, when a family and their pets isolate they don’t suddenly enter a sterile environment with no bugs. If what they said was true about the supposed dangers of isolation then every yachtsperson that’s taken weeks to cross an ocean on their own would fall ill upon arrival.

They were making stuff up.

And did anyone here watch the second part?

Yes, there’s a second part that’s missing here.

The interview was a total of 75mins, yet it was split into two – 60 + 15.

I thought that was odd till I watched the second part and they laid out their conspiracy thinking. It was kind of basic: When the government says Safety they mean Control. The government is supposedly trying to control the population with a bogus pandemic, force them to stay indoors, and deliberately wreck the economy. Quite why the US government, and all the governments of the world, would want to do this was never explained…

It was the guy on the left who said all that, while the other guy looked a bit uncomfortable, like left-hand guy had gone off-script and he was thinking, “Oh shit”.

So, why split the video into 2 parts..?

We can only guess, but maybe so most folks would only see part 1 before left-hand guy went all conspiracy-theorist and aliented anybody rational. Meanwhile Breitbart-types would be pointed to part 2.

Karel Bata
Karel Bata
May 3, 2020 11:48 AM

Did you watch the second part?

The interview was a total of 75mins, yet it was split into two – 60 + 15.

I thought that was odd till I watched the second part and they laid out their conspiracy thinking. It was kind of basic: “When the government says Safety they mean Control”. The government is supposedly trying to control the population with a bogus pandemic, force them to stay indoors, and deliberately wreck the economy. Quite why the US government, and all the governments of the world, would want to do this was never explained…

It was the guy on the left who said all that, while the other guy looked a bit uncomfortable, like left-hand guy had gone off-script.

So, why split the video into 2 parts?

We can only guess, but maybe so most folks would only see part 1 before left-hand guy went all conspiracy-theorist and aliented anybody rational. Meanwhile Breitbart-types would be pointed to part 2.

Curiously the left-hand conspiracy-minded doctor appears in the interview above. Has the other one decided that this has all gone wrong and taken a step back? Their reputations are fucked.

Magumba
Magumba
May 2, 2020 8:56 AM

As a complete aside to everything something dawned on me the other day….who in the name of several deities thought that Gilead was a good name for a company involved in the race for treatment of the newpox
Blessed be the fruit …under his eye
https://www.gilead.com/stories/articles/an-update-on-covid-19-from-our-chairman-and-ceo

Another
Another
May 2, 2020 2:24 AM

Quarantine – restrict movement of the sick
Tyranny – restrict movement of the healthy

Michael
Michael
May 1, 2020 7:19 PM

There is a rebuttal to this circulating indicating that these guys’ comments are actually perniciously feeding into the wishes of the would be censors. Unfortunately, that video rebuttal is also being censored. I have tried to post it here twice, and both times it has been removed within seconds. It has also been almost instantly removed from comment sections in Bitchute. Interesting indeed.

Dorian
Dorian
May 4, 2020 5:08 PM
Reply to  Michael

How do I find it?

David
David
May 4, 2020 5:12 PM
Reply to  Dorian

I have tried to share it here but it gets censored immediately. Therefore, I can try to direct you to the Bitchute channel named “Awoke” https://www.bitchute.com/channel/azWVodJvC9Nq/

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 4, 2020 5:57 PM
Reply to  David

You are lying. You have most certainly NOT been censored EVER as this is your first post. I have seen the video in question, it is linked BTL in various pieces. Post the link and do not troll or you will be removed as per our Comment Policy.

David
David
May 4, 2020 6:44 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Dear Admin,

Thank you for your message. I’m not lying. It was removed twice by a different pseudonym that I used. I used another because I was afraid it would be removed again by an algorithm or something judging from the speed at which it was removed the first two times. I apologize if I violated protocol, I was sincerely unaware since I have only recently ventured into this realm due to these unprecedented circumstances. I will post the video as you requested under the pseudonym “David”.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 4, 2020 9:55 PM
Reply to  David

What name did you post under? I will see where your messages went. A2

David
David
May 5, 2020 3:44 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I believe it was Michael as per above. If not, it could have been Goldez.
Thank you.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 5, 2020 4:27 AM
Reply to  David

It’s a common trolling tactic we encounter here, unfortunately – people casting aspersions on our transparency BTL. However I found two messages gone to spam and I returned them. I can’t tell you why spam claimed those. You clearly weren’t lying so I retract that. We only censor as per our Comment Policy, so let us know if this happens with any more of your posts. All the best, A2.

David
David
May 4, 2020 6:06 PM
Reply to  Dorian
Lone
Lone
May 1, 2020 4:52 PM

I think there is a part 2, another 15-20 minutes. where can we find that?

Michael
Michael
May 1, 2020 6:58 PM
Reply to  Lone
Politighoul
Politighoul
May 1, 2020 7:58 AM

“Apart from the video being taken down, the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) released a joint statement which accused them of attention-seeking to further their careers, but didn’t actually refute their arguments.”

Yeah, that’s rich. Both of those organizations happen to be big time Washington lobbying firms that have contributed (bribed) significantly to existing senators and representatives. I’m sorry, but I just can’t really believe those groups and their positions.

anon
anon
May 1, 2020 6:29 AM

I believe it’s important to note that the link to the joint statement did rebut (not necessarily refute) at least some of the doctors’ arguments. After the statement itself, the explanation is immediately after, in the Additional Information section.

I’ll go ahead and say I watched the doctors’ video, but haven’t checked the data mentioned. I read through the whole joint statement (most importantly, the reasoning in the Additional Information section), but haven’t cross checked the replies with the video. So, personally, I cannot say much one way or the other. Just wanted to point out that the statement did provide reasons.

Joseph Magil
Joseph Magil
May 1, 2020 2:54 AM

Where is Part 2?

Michael
Michael
May 1, 2020 1:37 PM
Reply to  Joseph Magil
Joe
Joe
Apr 30, 2020 10:54 PM

Am I missing something?? They’re saying covid 19 is no worse than the flu which is known to claim up to 60k deaths per year in the US. Covid 19 is up to 60k deaths in 8 weeks!! At this rate we’ll be up to 360k deaths in one year. Please explain.

Giannj
Giannj
Apr 30, 2020 11:30 PM
Reply to  Joe

Yes, they said stats are wrong as they do not establish if one died OF Covid, but only if a deceased had been infected.

Considering Covid is in most cases completely harmless if one doesn’t establish the Causal link, then the stats are meaningless.

For instance a more meaning stat would be of how many dies of pneumonia caused by Covid, and establish average age and how many of them were smokers.

Covid kills smokers in their 70s, there are exceptions but not many.

Sam
Sam
May 5, 2020 3:59 AM
Reply to  Giannj

Can’t you say the same thing about then the standard flu. Some people argue that the covid-19 related deaths are actually higher than being reported. “In an attempt to determine true mortality rates, more and more analysts are looking into the number of excess deaths in different countries to see if the number of people dying is higher than in the same weeks in previous years. Recently, The Financial Times reported that the mortality rate in Bergamo Province in Italy is up 463% compared to the same period in recent years while it has climbed 161% in Madrid.” https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/04/28/analysis-us-deaths-from-covid-19-could-be-significantly-higher-than-reported-infographic/#1ba262435437

Howard
Howard
May 1, 2020 5:08 PM
Reply to  Joe

The CDC notes that flu deaths peak between December and February. Admittedly, this is 12 weeks compared to the 8 weeks you cite. However, given a new pathogen wouldn’t it seem logical for the greatest number of deaths to occur at its inception within a society? Time, of course, will tell. But it may be a bit too soon to extrapolate a total number of Covid-19 deaths from this 8-week number.

Andy
Andy
May 1, 2020 11:19 PM
Reply to  Joe

The calculations are based on percentage of the population, the time frame isn’t important, once we have 100% infected the deaths can’t go up.

Hal
Hal
May 11, 2020 5:42 AM
Reply to  Joe

Exactly. Also sheltering in place doesn’t mean you can’t go for a walk or a run or drive somewhere for a leisurely day. And if you do this and maintain your distance, then you’ll get your vitamin D and build up your immunity. These guys did this for one reason….to drum up business. Highly articulate, bright and probably good physicians. But their interpretation of international data and even their own is a bit sketchy. Also, why didn’t they talk about hospitalizations? Just deaths in relation to the population or subsets if the population. Make no mistake, COVID-19 is not your garden variety flu. How irresponsible to suggest there’s not much difference.

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Apr 30, 2020 4:53 PM

I wonder, that whilst we are out on our walks or buying essential windowlene with added windowshinesheen, what is stopping us doing a bit of fly posting? I should imaging most here have a print, bit of fly posting, bus stops, post boxes, just simple advertisment for folk to visit Off-Guardian.org for verifiable facts for covid19 & lokin20. Isn’t getting the information out there an essential activity and please if one was unfortunate to encounter the police, engage them in good spirit and perhaps maybe try to educate them?

Mondays mayday is going to be interesting though not here, too sparse a population, but one never knows.

Just thought I would share this, something I am going to do, may even use a rainbow as a hook, personally I think every citezen has the duty to inform themselves, the ignorance I encounter is unreal, but I am guessing that a large chunk of those very people are ignorant merely because they don’t know where to look and for some bizzare reason they trust their tellies which must cause some cognitive dissonance and they really know they shouln’t.

Off to design some Off-G fly posters for my area.

Watt
Watt
May 2, 2020 5:58 AM
Reply to  P R Ivy

Way to go!

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Apr 30, 2020 2:39 PM

In order to understand the scope of the operation, one needs to look at all aspects/facts individually.
Based on the events of the previous twelve month, a virus has obviously been making the rounds for much longer than the alleged time of outbreak. ‘Patient Zero’ – where is patient zero? With a virus having been administered – in the truest meaning of the word – via aerosol dispersion, which also explains the occcurrence/outbreak pattern.

What it does is to proclaim that the virus is transmitted person by person, whereas that is of course what happens when having close contact to a contageous individual – but the available data shows that the distribution pattern of the virus does not match the path-o-gene, the path the virus utilizes to get around. Furthermore it must be investigated what changes have been made by bio-weapons laboratories the world over in viruses that are part of human history longer than that history could be called ‘human’.

The virus that was released is a Trojan virus. It is impossible to not get infected. But for the large majority, it does not even create as much as a drop of fluid dangling from the tip of the nose. A number of sneezes. No, it wasn’t an allergy. It was your immunesysem telling you that it has detected an intruder and will take care of it. The keyword in all this is ‘added functions‘. Ask yourself the question why you would want to spend billions of dollars to manipulate viruses to kill people based on the color of their eyes. Or skin. Or shape of nose. Unibrow.

All that happens is scratching at the surface like chickens for bugs. Coincidentally, ‘Planet of the Humans’ has just been released and while it focuses on one specific aspect of the deception, it shows how the ptb are the bureaucrats that be. The economy and the sacredness of the free will are destroyed already. The economy that was a lie and the free will that never rose beyond which soda to choose.

When someone recites Einstein with his quote that a problem cannot be solved using the same method that created the problem, nods make the rounds. However, this wisdom applies specifically to the bureaucracy and oligarchy the masses have still failed to reign in. The present system in its totality is ‘the problem’ and it cannot be solved by allowing it to swallow everything surrounding it down. It is like a vortex. The system is spinning and at one point will implode. With implosion though – after Schauberger – the system is cleansed, cleaned, purified and energized.

If computing power would be used for peaceful causes, the Hyperbola in all of the data about this ‘pandemic’ could be made visible. Rest assured, the bureaucrazy are doing their best to limit the movement of the masses – knowing very well that the masses are waking up to the scam like popcorn reaching the temperature to pop.

Shaking My Head
Shaking My Head
Apr 30, 2020 1:56 PM

Another study!!
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20075291v1.full.pdf
Estimation of SARS-CoV-2 infection fatality rate by real-time antibody
screening of blood donors

“Our results indicate that the IFR among individuals aged 17 to 69 years is 82/100,000.”

Commentary from Twitter:

This study is showing iCFR(70) of 0.08%. That would translate to an iCFR(all ages) of around 0.12%, which matches the Stanford and USC studies.

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1255481024890507269

MrBent
MrBent
May 2, 2020 3:39 PM

Thanks for this. Seems to basically confirm what the evil doctors said. Oh, well.

Fs Giordano
Fs Giordano
Apr 30, 2020 1:43 PM

I would also take issue w/ the female giornalist declaring that NYC hospitals were overrun, according to on the spot videos (Lincoln Karim), Jacob Javits centre was empty, the Central Park Hospital was empty, and other hospitals in the NYC area empty well (Dana Ashlie). So it seems illogical to me that a NYC hospital is overrun while others are completely empty….

Edward
Edward
Apr 30, 2020 4:55 AM

Why is it hard for some people to not get the point here, you dont need to take sides here,the simple point is, wether right ot wrong on their calculation, they are qualified professionals in their field to raise a question and challlange the narrative, if they are not allowed to question then who’s qualified? And dont forget the fact that they put people in lockdown based on Guestimates not actual data, does Google employees have more medical expertise? I dont understand why first thin people do is to rush to take sides.

Also, AAEM has discredit them, claiming that they did is for financial gains.
Wouldn’t it make more sense if they had an expert prove why their calculation is wrong and their data is not a representation of the population nor the number of people infected?
What they are doing is shooting the messenger.

Edward
Edward
Apr 30, 2020 5:06 AM
Reply to  Edward

The other irony is MSM discredit them by saying they are not epidemiologists and just ER doctors. They are allowed to accept patients and do the tests for covid-19 but not allowed to question the results and narrative? Hm..

ame
ame
Apr 30, 2020 8:54 AM
Reply to  Edward

in the U>K this is very very common a nurse who does not even give his or her full name nor PIN number nurse assioation number to clarify who they are who works for the government via a 3rd party private company who does the government dirty work can override a TEAM of doctors or psychiatrist and say the person is fit for work.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 3:32 AM

It’s not as if the video is even controversial. The science here is perfectly reasonable. What’s controversial is the denial of professional and common-sense opinion, based on experience.

john
john
Apr 30, 2020 2:17 AM

The only conspiracy here is the Democrats having the media in their back pocket. Check Pigosi and Schumer videos these days, they know Trump is screwed because if he calls an end too soon, and people keep dying of this, then he screwed up. If he prolongs the economic depression by not calling an end to this, then he will ruin the economy. Never seen the Democrats so happy these days. They do not want MAGA, they want power at any cost.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 3:38 AM
Reply to  john

Nice deflection. I could have sworn we were talking about the faking of a virus panic in order to justify, and conceal, a treasonous governmental agenda of making us all much easier to control…

john
john
Apr 30, 2020 4:02 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Don’t see or mean this as a deflection. Only see the quagmire that stands before the POTUS, “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”. Don’t see any government agenda as a means to control us, why would the government intentionally ruin the economy just so “Big Brother” can mess with us? This government shutdown is ruining the Republican’s plan for MAGA, and the totally morally bankrupt Schumers, Pigosis, Nadlers and Schiffs are biting at the bit to reclaim the POTUS any way they can, this is as good as any stunt that they have tried before. BTW- no one “faked the virus”, it is there, but the USA and the rest of the world have over-reacted to it because of WHO. And please don’t think I’m making another deflection to Abbott and Costello’s, “Who’s on First?”.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 6:50 AM
Reply to  john

I get your point, but I don’t think Trump’s daily changes of mind are affected in the slightest by the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” scenario which you mention. My feeling is that Washington has become so corrupt and chaotic in general that your otherwise logical conclusion just doesn’t apply. For the politicians, ruining the economy is of no concern, since they have their own private insurance policies and enough wealth to survive practically any economic downturn, just as they all survived the 2008 crash. These are selfish people. A ruined economy no longer means a ruined reputation, because they no longer have a reputation left to ruin. A ruined economy means that WE are ruined; not they.
For the record, I didn’t say that anyone is faking the virus, but only that the panic is faked, in the sense that it is exponentially out of all proportion to the actual danger involved. The real danger to us all is the recklessness of today’s Washminster – recklessness which has reached suicidal levels.

rraa
rraa
Apr 30, 2020 11:20 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Agree. I don’t think anything is fake but the panic and hysteria have been deliberately, in calculated fashion been amped up. Where I live, in Northern Italy, there was a real crisis and I was even supportive of the lockdowns which started on 23 February. But to very clear, the reason for lockdown was: the (badly managed, ill prepared and inadequare) healthcare system was overwhelmed. The fear was that if Lombardy which has the “best” healthcare system in Italy was in such dire straits, what would happen in the rest of the country.

In the end patients were flown from North to South, we discovered that Lombardy’s system is far worse than anyone could have imagined under a corrupt regional right wing government that has favoured privatization and cutbacks over a decade. Worth noting too that many hospitals in the north almost collapse in flu season every year.. This time around, there was “unusual pneumonia” here as far back as last autumn but it didn’t ring any alarm bells.

However as far back as late February when oil prices tanked and markets got jittery I realized that the Lombardy crisis was being deliberately exaggerated to get the bailouts moving to prop up the debt bubble which had started to burst (across NATO aligned countries).

Reg
Reg
Apr 30, 2020 2:38 PM
Reply to  rraa

Sounds to me like you have a primitive shithole of a healthcare system in the north that needs to be fixed. Like it was done in the last century, with clean air, clean water, clean food and better infrastructure, no “virus” is going to kill you.

john
john
Apr 30, 2020 7:33 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Of course you are talking about the Swamp and I agree. I could never figure out how lobbying could ever be allowed, especially when those lobbyists are retired politicians who know whose palms to grease. It is the most blatant quid pro quo that ever was. The reason the Swamp has reared its head is because it is comprised of the class known as Politicians. Trump doesn’t fit in with that mold, so is an outsider who must be attacked by media (who have a cushy relationship with the Swamp) and democrats alike. Had any other Republican politician won the Republican nomination, things would be more normal in the Swamp. So everything from the Russia collusion, impeachment, Kavanaugh framing to this ill-conceived pandemic shut-down flows diretly from the hatred in the Swamp.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 30, 2020 7:13 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Yeah…. turning us all into microchipped zombies in a world of digital currency and a social credit system.
If you show up on a site like OffGuardian and rant against the ruling elites, or seriously question what’s in our mandatory vaccines … BANG… a switch is flicked, and no money for you Wardropper!
Or you’re confined too within your own suburb for a few weeks. Bad luck if your job is 3 suburbs away.
Oh, hang on…. did I say show up at a site like OffGuardian? There won’t be any sites like OffGuardian. There will only be official pronouncements from the Ministry Of Truth. This is the sort of kafkaesque dystopia we are heading towards. Its already started.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 4:29 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Astonishing how many of our zomboid politicians appear to have read Orwell’s “1984” and thought, “Yes, that’s the future for me!”… It could only happen if they were bred on a colossal scale with a frightful flaw in their brains. Real human beings don’t work like that.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 1, 2020 3:53 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Yep, that, and doing the bidding of those who they obey. And it sure as heck ain’t the voters!

Terry
Terry
May 2, 2020 8:14 PM
Reply to  john

The doctors are questioned at one point in the news conference by reporters teasing them to provide an explanation for why the corporate mainstream media and political leaders institute policies which run so much against medical science and common sense. Wisely, they ducked that question in which they lack expertise and simply insinuated “politics” was involved, and indeed it is. Truth and the actual health and wellbeing of the population are no real concerns of theirs and it seldom is. The extreme overreaction to this pandemic involves a great deal of political motivation – is agenda-driven.

john
john
May 2, 2020 10:38 PM
Reply to  Terry

All this brings to mind one of the Buddhist tenets, that “all suffering is caused by human greed”. Our Bible preaches much the same message. So for example, if everyone at every station in life were to be honest in how they deal with crisis, it would go much better and more people would live. Had the Chinese been honest at the outset, and hospitals honestly record normal deaths as such, and not as China Flu caused deaths because they get more financial funding from the government this way. The whole thing is driven by greed, not humanity.

T Brites
T Brites
Apr 30, 2020 12:57 AM

You guys should use this image to represent this Act by those 2 doctors!

Derbnoved
Derbnoved
Apr 30, 2020 12:50 AM

Whoever these people are, are they randomly sampling their population to determine their proportion of infected people? They are certainly good at putdowns and seem to have great confidence in the sampling carried out by other countries. Their narrative seems to be the same as Trump’s, the economy is more important than lives, get back to work, or we risk losing the sacred capitalist economy.
In certain nursing homes in Britain and Ireland between 15 and 20% of the occupants have died from covid19, are their deaths an acceptable level to ensure the continued running of the capitalist system?
May be they are no relation of yours so it doesn’t matter.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 1:47 AM
Reply to  Derbnoved

Try watching more than the blank screen at the very beginning… They say exactly what they are sampling. You are a disgrace to Devon.

Reg
Reg
Apr 30, 2020 3:28 AM
Reply to  Derbnoved

Died “from” C19? Died “of” C19? Died “because of” C19? Spreading lies, are you?

William A. Pauwels
William A. Pauwels
Apr 30, 2020 7:38 AM
Reply to  Derbnoved

They say that 90% of those who reportedly die from COVID-19 actually die from associated ailments.

visitor
visitor
Apr 30, 2020 12:59 PM
Reply to  Derbnoved

the continued running of the capitalist system?

Don’t be daft.

We were discussing our Human Rights and our collective condition of being confined to home, were apparently no one may question the decisions made for entire humanity by the likes of Bill “I was always a greedy unprincipled assholes, don’t you remember” Gates?

We just don’t want to live in USSR warmed over with no light at the end of tunnel for Humanity, that is all. Now return to your cell, turn on the tele-monitor and have a few shots of Victory Gin.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Apr 30, 2020 4:05 PM
Reply to  Derbnoved

No, these deaths are not acceptable. That’s why resources should be concentrated on protecting the vulnerable, without worrying about young, fit people who are not at risk.

Gianni
Gianni
Apr 30, 2020 11:35 PM
Reply to  Derbnoved

I live in U.K., I got Covid (5 days high fever) and recovered. I am Italian…

I completely agree with these doctors, my immune system will weaken if I stay at home and I defeated Covid because I was training in a boxing gym every day.

The lockdown is weakening me, people should so it either on a voluntary basis, or if they’re sick or old.

Magumba
Magumba
May 2, 2020 8:30 AM
Reply to  Derbnoved

Any facts or figures links or thoughts on 15 and 20% dying OF covid 19 ?

Willow
Willow
Apr 30, 2020 12:12 AM

How are so many people falling for this video? They are calling for mandatory testing before people can go back to work! Mandatory testing with a near-useless test that produces many false positives. Eff no. No, no, a million times no. It’s a quick step from mandatory testing to mandatory vaccination…or no work for you, no travel for you, etc.

And just FYI – they are removing controlled opposition videos to make them seem legit.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 12:53 AM
Reply to  Willow

It isn’t a question of “falling for” this video. Even if everything you say is true, at least we have here two doctors who are not buying into the panic scenario, and they are obviously aware that the panic is designed to find out how far the “authorities” can go when it comes to controlling us.
It’s perfectly possible to listen to what is being said here without going into an anti-panic panic of one’s own, and my personal view, without creating a fan club for these two, is just that the video gives us a welcome break from panic, along with non-establishment, yet clearly well-informed opinion on the minor medical threat which this HalfWit19 thing poses.

Willow
Willow
Apr 30, 2020 1:27 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Oh, it’s exactly a question of falling for this video. And falling into the “listen to the authority figures/doctors who tell us we’re ALLOWED to go back to work” mindset. These doctors are saying nothing that anyone with a critical mind has not figured out for themselves. Of course, the government never had the right to shut down people’s live and livelihoods in the first place. But the government and medical establishment ALSO do not have the right to force medical testing or to require medical testing before people go back to work, and that is what these doctors are calling for. Look for the drop of poison they’re releasing along with the “truth.”

And if you don’t think these doctors have a giant fan club, you haven’t been on social media lately.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 2:06 AM
Reply to  Willow

The problem with comprehension skills here is yours. I made no comment as to whether the doctors had a fan club. You can see perfectly well that I simply said I was not planning to create one for them.
I see nothing in the video to indicate that they would support “forcing” anything upon people at all, nor do they seem naive enough to take government/establishment promises at face value. I just don’t understand your unease with this video, but I can understand Google/YouTube’s unease very well.

Redpillcolourblind
Redpillcolourblind
Apr 30, 2020 1:40 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I think you have summed it up quite nicely. The previous two comments don’t want to accept a different perspective,a different, rational way if looking at this. Maybe they’ll realise when the rioting starts……

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 1:51 AM

I doubt they will realize anything. They’ll find a mainstream media shill’s office to hide in until things calm down (if they ever do) then straight away look for another group of informed people to annoy at the behest of “the authorities”.

Redpillcolourblind
Redpillcolourblind
Apr 30, 2020 2:00 AM
Reply to  Willow

You should be asking how is it so many people fell for the lies of W.H.O. the description of the Chinese government,and the inaccurate projected numbers of Covit 19 victims, put out by well foolish so called experts,whos motive may or may not have been so pure. What your suggesting is nonsense, no matter what you can not escape the fact You Tube took this video down, you have to ask why? I haven’t Hurd a a intuitive explanatory response yet. Only a few responses coming from people who don’t want to look at a different perspective,who don’t want to entertain the fact that yet again they have,we all have, been lied to again. Only this lie carries with it the potential of completely filtering life as we know it. MSM has done it’s job well for its bosses ,the corporatocrisy and controlling elite. It’s far worse than the 9/11 lie,which was practice for what they are doing to us now. It’s time to wake up.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 7:02 AM

Well said, but I don’t support your idea that this lie is far worse than the 911 lie.
911 is rapidly becoming history, but that doesn’t alter the fact that it is still one of the most atrocious things in which any western government has been complicit within human memory. The psychopathic architects of that murderous little escapade, along with their illustrious media enablers, need to be dealt with too.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 29, 2020 11:47 PM

The traitors pretending to work for us in our western governments wouldn’t do this unless something of catastrophic proportions was coming which had to be hidden behind something else. Others here have suggested what that something might well be.
I can only hope human beings will have a future where they can look back upon the year 2020, the year when a secret government – the government behind the government which everybody knew about – dared, in all seriousness, to shut down the world because they were terrified at the prospect of the people they claim to represent actually discovering the astronomic scale of the outright greed and pre-meditated wickedness which had been going on behind their backs for so many decades.
This secretive filth was brought up in, and has become addicted to, the lifestyle of the Neroes, Caligulas and Napoleons of this world, so there isn’t a hope in hell that they will give up that lifestyle voluntarily. How can this end otherwise than in a horrible conflagration? The only good news is that they have every bit as much reason to fear that outcome as we do, although, as I said, they’re already addicted to the path leading to it.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 30, 2020 9:29 AM
Reply to  wardropper

What’s wrong with the Napoleons of this world. Waterloo was a great shame!

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 4:53 PM

Okay, strike Napoleon. Caligula and Nero will do nicely.

rraa
rraa
Apr 30, 2020 11:30 AM
Reply to  wardropper

The thing of catastrophic proportions that was coming was the collapse of the debt bubble that could have brought down the entire financial system. The markets started to collapse around mid to late February partly because of the oil price war, partly because markets were a little spooked. That is when bailout plans were activated. The “Italian” crisis which is in reality a “badly managed hospitals and care homes in Lombardy crisis” was inflated by the media to justify bailouts and lockdowns everywhere else. In Germany the bailouts preceded the lockdown and the first tranche was announced on a day when they had FIVE covid deaths. The day before, Deutsche Bank share price was headed towards zero. DB can bring down the entire system with its 37 trillion euro in nominal derivatives. Of course, there are factors at play: vaccine parasites always looking for a good pandemic, unintended consequences etc. etc. I know for a fact that plans for tossing some crumbs to small business had started in the UK, US, Canada and Australia long before any real covid panic.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 5:00 PM
Reply to  rraa

Indeed so. You mention, however, that what was coming was “the collapse of the debt bubble that could have brought down the entire financial system”, but others say that the debt bubble is actually bringing that system down right now… I can’t see any reason to use the past tense for what is currently happening, and I’m keeping my eyes peeled for bank and corporation bailouts as we speak.

Sheila G
Sheila G
Apr 29, 2020 11:27 PM

Thank the universe. Some common sense at last. I have to admit, I initially bought into the fear propaganda. These two guys remained calm and repeatedly returned to ‘data’ analysis. Full of admiration for their conduct.
So well done!

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 29, 2020 11:55 PM
Reply to  Sheila G

Isn’t it just ludicrous that YouTube would even think of pulling such a video, after 4.3 million views…? Dear Google, that video is now out there, as is your reputation for pulling it. You’re too late.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 29, 2020 10:48 PM

Heres another doctor from Americas opinion with the pithy observation at the end of a write up of how front line staff at a US hospital are having to get to grips with SAR-Cov-2 through the treatment of a single patient brought in as an emergency from a rehab hospital.

‘Usually a public health problem is a healthcare system opportunity. Not so this time. Oddly, during a pandemic hospitals turn out to be like restaurants or barber shops — customer-service businesses suddenly without customers. Arguably it’s even worse than that: The restaurants can close their doors to reduce expenses.’
https://medium.com/@mattbivens_34439/the-pandemic-era-emergency-dept-weirder-wilder-emptier-than-ever-a1ec4fdfa497
(Via a link from MoA’s latest)
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Lets not forget they have better resources than most UK hospitals.
A thrilling read full of information.

Dare you to read it and not feel humbled.

Red Covair
Red Covair
Apr 29, 2020 10:11 PM

Thank you for posting this! I tried to watch this interview on YouTube thanks to the link journalist Ben Swann gave on his YouTube channel only to find YouTube had deleted it for the mendacious excuse that it did not respect their “guidelines”. It did not respect “the narrative” for sure. People at the top of YouTube and Google (parent company) are simply criminals: this is censorship, pure and simple.

Red Covair
Red Covair
Apr 29, 2020 10:36 PM
Reply to  Red Covair

More on this, I checked Ben Swann’s own video in which he talked about the Californian doctors’ interview and gave fragments of it… Well, this video has now been taken down as well by GooTube for the same mendacious “guidelines” excuse.
Moreover, in what decidedly looks like “real team spirit”, it appears now that Facebook bans stay-at-home protests posts, calling them “harmful mis-information”.
So they call free thinking and free speech “harmful mis-information”, in short…
“Harmful” for whom exactly? Google/YouTube and Facebook ARE harmful, for real data, facts, truth, critical thinking and freedom of speech. All they want is a brain-dead audience watching their adds.
Pitchfork times it seems, folks.

IANA
IANA
Apr 29, 2020 7:39 PM

Was just having a quiet moment away from the fray and I notice they have added an extra 4k to total?

IANA
IANA
Apr 29, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  IANA

Reminds me of this…

IANA
IANA
Apr 29, 2020 8:04 PM
Reply to  IANA

Was not that please ignore.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 29, 2020 9:13 PM
Reply to  IANA

Yes, the British people love to stick their parents into old people’s homes and forget them so that they can keep “living it up” without being burdened by them. Those poor old people then get abused, starved, and generally rot away, generally speaking.

Worse still, the Tories outsourced this rotting away of old people to the private sector so that their friends could make some nice money from “caring” for them.

Even worse, the Tory bastards ignored these old people when COVID hit, and the virus ripped through these “care” homes like a brush fire felling thousands of old people.

Then finally, a journalist got to hear about this manslaugher and grilled the government incessantly. Eventually the Tory bastards had to admit it, and now some (not all) of those dead old people have been added to the total.

In summary, these extra numbers are due to heartless Tory fascist bastards killing people, not a fecking conspiracy to make numbers up.

IANA
IANA
Apr 29, 2020 9:33 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Its not a conspiracy to make the numbers up – they are quite openly admitting it. Shame you would rather ignore that to play the tired old left / right paradigm distraction game. Must try harder.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 12:00 AM
Reply to  IANA

Some truth in what you say, but the Tory attitude to public health care is exactly what Frank Speaker says, and it is not irrelevant to the human cost of what we are now experiencing.

IANA
IANA
Apr 30, 2020 6:24 AM
Reply to  wardropper

That’s a different argument to the point I was trying to make. Tory health policy may not be irrelevant to the overall cost and I havent said it is.
The point I was making is that the numbers we are being provided with are deliberately inflated to the point of being fraudulent. Those providing them openly admit that cases dying with covid are being classed as covid deaths even if that was a case of terminal cancer.

Adding this new 4K to the total when there is no evidence of these being covid deaths as a lot were not tested or even within the health service is only adding to this phony total and corrupt narrative.

Whatever govt health policy as played is not irrelevant to the overall numbers but at the moment it is impossible to extrapolate any meaningful data and numbers from those provided and at this point the narrative still needs to be challenged because once those numbers are accepted that justifies the policies that will follow.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 7:29 AM
Reply to  IANA

We’re probably basically in agreement then. You seemed to find Frank’s reference to Tories an objectionable and irrelevant dig at the Right, but when it comes to matters of crowd control, it’s invariably the Right which seems, suddenly, to find itself in its element. A Prime Minister from Eton, however thick, is going to find such an opportunity to “guide” the masses irresistible, and we should be aware of which elements in his political world are most likely to affect his decisions – including how seriously he takes the actual statistics of CoVid.
a) We are being controlled;
b) Johnson is Prime Minister;
c) Johnson is a Tory.
So it seems, at least to me, that left/right politics are bound to play a role here. Needless to say, by “left”, I do not mean the likes of Blair and Starmer.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 29, 2020 9:49 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

People always under-estimate just how virulent is the Rightists’ hatred of other people.

Magumba
Magumba
May 2, 2020 8:44 AM

I think if anyone would like a future that even remotely resembles anything prior to march 2020 its time to put the left/right bitching on hold for a while…you can argue to your hearts content once we have dealt with whats happening now….if its not dealt with there will only be one party line to follow anything else will be deemed seditionary (and yes i know sedition was removed from the statute books however so was imprisoning the healthy……didnt take them long to change that did it ?)

Emanuelle
Emanuelle
Apr 29, 2020 7:15 PM

So great to find this video again. Thank you

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Apr 29, 2020 7:22 PM
Reply to  Emanuelle

Emanuelle, The critique of it, posted a few hours ago, below is even better.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 12:02 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Which critique, tony?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Apr 29, 2020 6:54 PM

I accept that COVID is probably a new real relation of Coronavirus of which the common cold is one, I think it is far more likely to be a natural new variant, and not a manufactured one. Whether it is or not, is not that important. True objective analysis, of all data available from official sources, indicates, that until very recently total overall death rates, from all causes has been lower this winter than normal. The numbers have only started to escalate, directly because of the lockdown, due to routine medical care being withdrawn, and other direct effects of social isolation. The evidence that an enormous number of deaths are now miss-classified as COVID is overwhelming.

What seems almost beyond dispute, is that this entire event has been extremely well planned over a long period of time, and its effect on frightening 90% of the World’s population via incessant propaganda, that a real pandemic is in progress, is quite staggering. It’s a waste of time showing people real facts and figures indicating that it is almost completely harmless to anyone under the of 80, where even those over the age of 80, had other very serious illnesses such as cancer. The incessant propaganda is much too overwhelming.

I would prefer it, if I thought the pandemic was real, rather than no more serious than any other flu like disease, because then, I could see an end to it. Most people think it will be over soon, and they will be allowed to go out again, and back to work. I think it is far worse than that, and will go on for a very long time yet, and through the next winter, which is why I am preparing for it as best I can. I am expecting almost complete economic collapse, mass poverty, and an almost total breakdown of essential services, which is why I am trying to grow a lot more of our own food than normal.

I am not that bothered about being tracked. Authorities can already do that if they want to. I am not even that bothered about 5g or facial recognition (which is notoriously unreliable). 5g has even barely started rolling out. Almost no one will have a 5g capable device, and with a worldwide lockdown, particularly if we get a harsh winter, energy supplies as well as food distribution are likely to break down.

I’ve even bought some camping gas, though I think its highy unlikely that I will be allowed to go camping. That is to cook my potatoes in the depths of winter, when everything else is gone.

Tony

lundiel
lundiel
Apr 29, 2020 7:20 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Pretty much my opinion too. I notice that on this site there are a growing number of comments from people linking globalism with Socialism and the reaction to the pandemic as “Communism”. It seems that the pandemic has changed some people’s lifelong political beliefs. I hasten to add I disagree with the WHO led reaction but I also disagree with ignoring the virus in favour of the economy. History may show PM Johnson’s “do nothing” attitude in the first month was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 29, 2020 9:52 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Denialism is overwhelmingly a Rightwing phenomenon, because it derides the very real catastrophes, economic, ecological and geo-political, that capitalism causes.

rraa
rraa
Apr 30, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  lundiel

I view economic systems as merely a means to an end. China and Cuba both have excellent healthcare systems. So did Lombardy until 10 years ago. So did Canada 15 years ago. I think both capitalist, socialist, communist systems can co-exist in different areas of the different world. But I don’t think that there is any doubt that public health is a public good in the classic economic definition of the word. There are some systems: sewage, water, transportation, telecommunications, healthcare, energy that should not be privatized. That may sound like a lot (what’s left you might say) but in effect that was Canada and most of Europe in the 1950s to 1980s.

RobG
RobG
Apr 29, 2020 8:14 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony, a very good assessment, that I won’t add to.

But I will just add something about growing food: we’ve dug up a large part of our garden to grow food (and we’re fortunate to have quite a large garden). Everything’s been planted and is now growing, from potatoes to peas to strawberrys to cucumbers, etc. We also have a huge vine that provides a canopy on the back terrace (for booze). One thing you can’t get in this part of France is UK runner beans. The equivalents here are a poor comparison (I’m amazed that the French haven’t latched onto how delicious a UK runner bean is). Fortunately friends in the UK sent us some runner bean seeds, which we planted a few days ago.

We used to keep chickens as well, but I got fed-up with chasing them around the adjoining cow field every time they escaped. So, if it does all go belly-up we’ll be on a vegetarian diet.

Stay well; and as I always say, try to stay sane.

Santé

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Apr 29, 2020 8:48 PM
Reply to  RobG

RobG,

My wife and my 4 year old Grandson, do runner beans – even at school, well he did, till they closed his school down. We are missing our Grandchildren like crazy, but their Mum will not allow them to come round. She has been brainwashed too, and my son who is sensible has got to cope with her. I feel sorry for the kids. They just love Nana so much, and must be going stir crazy, cos they haven’t a garden to play in and have spent almost their entire life in ours, where they were born – well local hospital. They only live a mile away.

Tony

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Apr 29, 2020 10:11 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony,

Hope this helps; although the UK “experts” are dismissive of the idea.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/switzerland-lets-children-under-10-to-visit-grandparents-as-they-cant-pass-on-coronavirus/ar-BB13mPqE?li=AAFtnGm

Children aged under ten will be allowed to hug and visit their grandparents again, under new social distancing guidance in Switzerland.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 2:25 AM

But …, but…, but…, but…, they have been telling us that the virus can live on plastic for four hours, nine hours on metal and even several days on certain other materials… What about the childrens’ clothes…?
If this is for real, then maybe the Swiss authorities are indirectly telling us that they think enough is enough of this artificially-induced end-of-the-world farce. Perhaps the existence of the Swiss Propaganda Research group has something to do with it? I hope so.

Geo
Geo
Apr 29, 2020 8:48 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I agree with the sentiment. But why?

Who would it serve to plan something like this? What government or economy benefits from this?

I hear a lot of implications on this forum about sinister plans going on, but I always wonder, what and who would that really benefit?

I’m not doubting that it might benefit some countries / groups, but to me it isn’t obvious.

Please enlighten me.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 29, 2020 9:59 PM
Reply to  Geo

The rich parasites have already been given several trillion to protect their Precious-their ‘assets’. And to buy up small and medium businesses that fail. All administered, in the USA, by one of their own, Mnuchin, the bankster slum-lord. The huge debt pile will be used to justify ever more vicious austerity, and one-sided class and religious hatred. The calamity will ensure more intrusive and widespread surveillance and tracking, and Internet censorship. The vaccine programs will be highly profitable, hence the fanatic campaign to deny the efficacy and safety of hydroxychloroquine etc, led by the vermin at the Guardian sewer, and other effluent conduits. And it is perfect for waging a hate war on China, an absolute priority for the Five Eyes and Zionist ‘Gods Upon the Earth’.

Sam
Sam
Apr 30, 2020 6:41 AM
Reply to  Geo

There are two answers:

1) The “little benefit” is also known as “disaster capitalism.” This is where bigger, richer players pick up destroyed/weakened players at bargain prices. There’s also lots of money to be made in things like virus testing, treatment, and vaccines (to say nothing of jacking up prices for essential items, etc).

But this is nothing new. Several fortunes were made DURING the Great Depression, etc.

2) It’s the “big benefit” that’s harder to see because it functions on such a large scale. Normally, we “lose the forest for the trees” because we’re looking at trees such as national governments (US, China, Russia, etc) or big businesses like Microsoft and Amazon.

But the “forest” that these sick goons are working on is a plan to convert humanity itself into equity. Right now, they’re just buying and selling data about humans, but the ultimate goal is to “capture” or “own” humans in their entirety.

It’s such an advanced, tech-driven form of slavery that it’s hard to see the digital whips and handcuffs, but it’s slavery nonetheless – and a slavery far worse than the original version which was exceedingly cruel and horrific.

Why this push for techno-slavery? It’s not to reduce expenses on the plantation or produce more crops. It’s because after you’ve strip-mined the land, plundered the oceans, divvied up all the air rights, and deeded every rock, animal, and tree, the last unowned resource left on this planet is humans themselves.

We are literally the last un-ownable thing, which is why the long push is to collar, contain, and convert each and every one of us into tradeable equity. Humanity is the last untapped reservoir.

Magumba
Magumba
May 2, 2020 8:50 AM
Reply to  Geo

I think the trillions of pounds/dollars/rupees/etc in profits available to vaccine manufacturers and their shareholders might give you a hint

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 29, 2020 8:50 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Gas is cheapest its ever been. There is glut too. Our storage capacity could be full if necessary. Qatar is desperate to ship LNG. The Russian pipelines Turkstream and Nordsttream2 are live and ready to pump as much as is neededto all of Europe and even the Ukrainian pipeline is fully functional again.

We are not going to run out of gas next winter. If you want to put up a large gas tank in the corner of your garden and fill it up cheaply wait a few more months for the cheapest whole sale prices as our storage becomes full.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Apr 29, 2020 9:51 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Dungroanin, Part of my education included, such basic concepts as contingency planning and disaster recovery. When they told me, that is now part of my job, I had to think about it very seriously, and continue to do so, especially now, and I really was not expecting this.

Hope you are well. Whilst I disagree with you most of the time, I do like to argue with people. What side of London do you live? I wouldn’t mind a chat with you if the pubs ever reopen. Invite Rhys Jagger as well. I would love to meet him.

What subject would you like? I know he’s good at growing veg.

Tony

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 30, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I am a East Londoner.
Not sure if fine country gentlemen venture farther than Islington.

I never met or talked or know any of the posters or patrons of the various sites I traverse and am not sure it would be wise … you know it’s always disappointing to meet your heroes.

I’m sure though you wouldn’t be but i’d get tongue-tied and blush and that sort of embarrassment. It would though certainly stop my honest thoughts ever being expressed to you again when typing and picturing the recipient.

I was actually planning to get along to Belmarsh with everyone in May – thousands from my poll extrapolation where I expected to catch sight of some worthies … but that appears to be delayed.

All well here, lovely April showers doing wonders for my roses and ‘lawn’, quite welcome to not be wandering around making many watering can journeys. Unfortunately I think vegetables in the London backgarden soil would be more damaging than good but with a plethora of Turkish and Asian shops we are never short of anything including fresh veg!

rraa
rraa
Apr 30, 2020 12:09 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

“What seems almost beyond dispute, is that this entire event has been extremely well planned over a long period of time….I would prefer it, if I thought the pandemic was real, rather than no more serious than any other flu like disease, because then, I could see an end to it. ”
Exactly the point. If it were real, it would be over. However if the danger of the virus is deliberately being hyper-sensationalized, which I believe it is, it will never be over. However these people have not accounted for unintended consequences. They thought they could just lock us up, toss some crumbs to keep us quiet and life goes on as before (for them). It’s not going to work out that way. I hope we can find a way to take back control without violence and upheaval.

MATTHEW MOLINA
MATTHEW MOLINA
Apr 29, 2020 6:46 PM

Scamdemic

RobG
RobG
Apr 29, 2020 6:26 PM

Such is the ocean of fear porn and propaganda at the moment that it’s rather startling to come across medical professionals talking sense.

Stay at home. Protect our NHS. Save lives.
All elections have been suspended. Do not try to overthrow the government, otherwise you will be shot.

Talking of which, it might be worth keeping an eye on France this coming Friday, May Day.

Offlands
Offlands
Apr 29, 2020 6:33 PM
Reply to  RobG

Just to turn up the volume on the fear scale:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-19-death-rates-are-comparable-to-ebola-for-hospital-cases-nhs-study-finds-p75frbq33 (Paywall)

They do go on to say that the vast majority suffer mild or no symptoms at least.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 29, 2020 9:14 PM
Reply to  Offlands

In passing, there is plenty of bad science surrounding Ebola:

http://www.howpositiveareyou.com/2014/11/20/hpay-091-david_rasnick/

http://infectiousmyth.podbean.com/e/ebola-and-polio-120914/

http://infectiousmyth.podbean.com/e/the-infectious-myth-an-ebola-vaccine-is-it-enough-080817/

Some familiar themes: failure to purify & isolate the virus; no proof it’s contagious; elastic collection of symptoms; a dodgy vaccine trial.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 1:04 AM
Reply to  RobG

Thanks for the gorgeous music. Certainly the opposite of panic!

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Apr 29, 2020 6:21 PM

These two doctors join a growing list of medical scientists including Ioannidis and others who are challenging the lockdown. The reporters asking questions in the background appear to be all MSM imbued with a sort of how dare you challenge more famous experts than yourselves type of response. Note that the two doctors do eventually point out that deaths with comorbidities account for most of the deaths, a point entirely generally ignored by MSM reporting to boost the terrified factor. Four percent of infected die overall, they say, and 96% of these have comorbidities. They also point to incidental problems from the Mega-Terror-Story such as child abuse, spouse abuse, let alone the economic problems and stress. They ask is this the right approach, this lockdown? What else is going on? (And their reasonable presentation is banned by you-tube?? That alone tells us “something else is goingn on.” ) Everybody in America should watch this video, and the other types similar to this. We MUST start using our brains.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 1:18 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Why just America? The whole western world is full of people who have allowed themselves to be scared by this panic pantomime. Can’t you just hear people complaining, “But my brain HURTS when I use it!”…
Of course you’re right that our species MUST, nevertheless, start doing that. Way back in my secondary school days, time was set aside in our English classes for actual practice in thinking. I still have reason to be grateful for that, as has most of my generation, but I fear that the popular quip, “Use it, or lose it”, is very soon going to apply negatively to our current youngsters, whose teachers have given up trying to initiate them into the arts and mysteries of thinking…
Dark Ages don’t appear to be accidents, but are very probably worked towards by certain types of “authorities”. I think many of us recognize them by now.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Apr 30, 2020 1:53 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I think we need to start asking questions (as in follow-up to the video) that, okay, to begin with excessive caution might be understandable as the doctors point out. Possibly all the generalized info following was not propaganda but unfortunately shallow (generalized and sensationalized) for some good reason other than frightening the populace. But by now mounting studies show, definitively, the thing has been hyped. We didn’t need to shut down 100% of the economy. We might have penned in considerably less, in hot spots such as NY city. So, we need to get more info on the WHY question here. (And yes, you’re right–it’s all of us who consider ourselves neighbors on this planet who need to do it, and are doing it.

FRANK GIORDANO
FRANK GIORDANO
Apr 30, 2020 9:37 AM
Reply to  nondimenticare

I have a problem w/ Montagnier, he created a synthetic virus, sent it to Gallo, and Gallo used it as the virus discovery, so the pronouncement he discovered the AIDS virus is dubious andc there a number of books documentaries that chronicle the HIV=AIDS hoax. However it does give some credence to the possibility of a lab virus, coupled w/ the info on a pathogen leak in USA, soldiers, from the base where leak came from, sent to Wuhan, and the cross collaboration between bioweapons labs in USA and China, oops sorry bio defence labs….

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
Apr 30, 2020 3:46 PM
Reply to  FRANK GIORDANO

Thanks. I wondered about that, because I had read some things about that “discovery” involving Fauci, who was close to Gallo. Hence the doubt I expressed. I do share your speculation on the rest of it.

Alpine Observer
Alpine Observer
Apr 29, 2020 6:15 PM

There’s no justification for taking their video down, but YouTube is a private corporation and they can do whtever they want, let’s not forget that, even if we disagree with their cowardly / dastardly approach.

The video could however be misleading to those who know little. There probably needed to be some context somewhere in it. The reason is that the global statistics are settling to show a mortality rate for COVID-19 in the region of 0.5% – 1.0%. That’s an order of magnitude below the 5-10% that was leading to all the hysteria that got us into the present state of global societal pychosis.

The difference between these being that COVID is much more widely present in the community with most casese being very mild or not noticeable. Nevertheless, by comparison, the mortality rate from influenza is typically 0.1%, therefore COVID is 5-10 times more lethal even if massively less lethan than first thought.

Willem
Willem
Apr 29, 2020 6:51 PM

You are liar: the doctors calculate that the CFR is close to 0,1%, just like seasonal flu.

That ‘the video could however be misleading to those who know little’ is another lie. In fact, it deserves wide distribution as the message is crystal clear.

It is just you ‘Alpine Observer, who tries to muddy the waters.

Alpine Observer
Alpine Observer
Apr 29, 2020 9:01 PM
Reply to  Willem

Liar? I’m pointing out the COVID numbers on Worldometer being very high, and saying they are 10 times higher than the reality. We are both agreeing that the reported mortality rate of COVID is much higher than reality, so we are both liars then according to your logic.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 29, 2020 10:06 PM

The cultists tend to fly off the handle at any sign of Badthink.

Yorkshirelad
Yorkshirelad
Apr 29, 2020 7:26 PM

You are completely wrong. Go to the Worldometers website where all the official figures are and you can calculate mortality for yourself, country by country. The vast majority (ie all except spain and italy) are coming in 0.03 – 0.13% with spain and italy at 0.3%. So Covid is the same as flu except for those countries whose demographics are tilted towards the elderly.

Alpine Observer
Alpine Observer
Apr 29, 2020 8:59 PM
Reply to  Yorkshirelad

Not so, Yorkshire pud. Numbers on Worldometer are –

World: 226,401 total deaths from 3,194,976 total cases = 7.1%. That’s in the middle of my range of 5-10% mortality rate.

My point was that the the real numbers are just one tenth of these numbers, because COVID is much more widespread and harmless than the number of cases on Worldometer show.

Then, influenza is one tenth (10%) of the real numbers of COVID, or one hundredth (1 %) of Worldometer COVID numbers.

yorkshirelad
yorkshirelad
May 1, 2020 10:35 AM

The CFR for Covid is indeed 7.1% as you stated but I was presenting the IFR completely different. The MSM compares Covid CFR to Flu IFR to fool people.

For anyone reading :
CFR – Confirmed Fatality Rate = Deaths / confirmed cases
IFR – Infected Fatality Rate = Deaths / Infected

Infected = population * fraction of sample that is positive
Fraction positive = confirmed cases / tests

The infected rate becomes more accurate as more blanket testing is done which is why it could not be done earlier because it was weighted by the high positives being the ones who had symptoms at a hospital.

bob
bob
Apr 29, 2020 8:22 PM

idiot

Alpine Observer
Alpine Observer
Apr 29, 2020 9:02 PM
Reply to  bob

Don’t be so harsh upon yourself.

Fs Giordano
Fs Giordano
Apr 30, 2020 9:46 AM

I would differ with this view/conclusion considering the fact that COVID19 deaths are being generously determined, notwithstanding the co-morbidity factors that seems to be ignored. The test simply shows you are positive for what they determine to be a specific pathogen, however the tests are not exact, and doctors, at least in USA and Italy from what I have read are influenced to determine that patients died of COVID19 W/O any real confirmation. As well,as we continue to test and find that many people are positive, this should lead the ‘experts’ to conclude the virus is less lethal since so many people have it W/O consequence, unless of course you are over 75 years old and have health issues

Maxwell
Maxwell
Apr 29, 2020 5:50 PM

Looks like MoA has joined the fray:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/04/some-links-to-covid-19-reads.html#more

The guy who has been labelled “conspiracy theorist” is now using that pejorative himself. Pretty rich isn’t it?

Seems like MoA is now using, rather than deconstructing, mainstream news outlets like WaPo, The Economist, Financial Times etc. as his go-to credible sources. Pretty cool huh?

Willem
Willem
Apr 29, 2020 6:45 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

The last place to hide a lie is in audacity. So b says that

‘Medical doctors are not well trained in statistics. When personal financial interest are involved they ignore even its most basic rules.’

And then, without showing what these 2 doctors actually had to say, he just lists some journals that have high stakes in getting the scam running. What a guy!

Being an MD myself I decided to do some counting and see if my statistical skills are working. That is: I counted how many approved with B’s analysis. Of the first 7 comments, there were 6 who, quite frankly, dissapproved with B and 1 who was not really clear in its reasoning.

Oh and BTW, saying that ‘ Medical doctors are not well trained in statistics. When personal financial interest are involved they ignore even its most basic rules.’ is pure racism. Surely there are some medical doctors who are not well trained in statistics, etc. But all?

It has become quite clear now that B paints his blog with a big brush and the paint he is using consists of bullshit. Nice way of finishing your blog, isn’t it?

– But perhaps B just wanted to get out of it, took some money, and now lets his blog die. Whatever the cause, MoA is a blog that is no more. It has ceased to be. It is sad, but who am I to complain.

Willem
Willem
Apr 29, 2020 7:01 PM
Reply to  Willem

‘He’ (or his mods) is also censoring now. Of the first 7 comments I counted, some dissapeared. Guess you need to make screenprints there now, As if you are reading the Guardian.

AnonSkeptic
AnonSkeptic
Apr 30, 2020 6:20 AM
Reply to  Willem

The thing that gets me with reductive comments claiming doctors are not statisticians is that the reductive knife cuts both ways. Statisticians are not doctors. Being able to expertly calculate statistical probabilities (with dubious figures mind you) does not mean you gain some insight into how things work in the medical field.

From my experience the true quality of any statistical analysis is found in the evaluation and typically knowledge of the field is required to evaluate the numbers both qualitatively and quantatively, ie. What are the numbers telling us about what we know about subject which we base our hypothesis on.

AnonSkeptic
AnonSkeptic
Apr 30, 2020 6:22 AM
Reply to  AnonSkeptic

Just to add, even the hypothesis needs to be motivated from a place of field knowledge.

Dee Cee
Dee Cee
Apr 29, 2020 7:08 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

I’ve always been suspicious about MoA. No identification… seems to be on the crest of each wave of new info in impossible areas like Libya and Syrian wars…cited profusely everywhere in the alt media… rarely has actual root citations or raw information, yet their assertions just take off seemingly all by themselves. I always wondered if this was an intelligence operation. No evidence for it other than my spidey sense.

igor
igor
Apr 29, 2020 8:51 PM
Reply to  Dee Cee

I was always skeptical of the MoA site due to the chosen theme song.
The version of which, as performed by Jim Morrison [Son of the Admiral Morrison, in charge of the USN fleet in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964, that reported the false sightings of North Vietnamese gunboats, that was used to kick off the Vietnam Fiasco.] with the line “show me the way to the next little girl, oh don’t ask why.” Creepy.

Igor
Igor
Apr 29, 2020 8:56 PM
Reply to  Dee Cee

MoA has the theme song, as performed by Jim Morrison and the Doors, with the line “show me the way to the next little girl. Oh, don’t ask why.” Creepy.
BTW Jim Morrison was the son of the USN Admiral in command in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964. The reported (false) sightings of North Vietnamese gunboats happened under his command.

AnonSkeptic
AnonSkeptic
Apr 29, 2020 5:33 PM

Re: an article on RTE today about the new tracking initiative.

Human Rights Lawyer and Director of Ada Lovelace Institute (AI thinktank) writes:

“There is concern that those who don’t have access to digital technology are less likely to benefit from the app. In the UK that’s around 30% of people who are digitally excluded.

“Those people include, not only the elderly, but people from certain social groups and its possible that the people who are most likely to be excluded from access to digital technologies are also the people who are most likely to suffer from the virus.”

This person implies that the “digitallly excluded” are made up of elderly and “certain social groups” (read impoverished people). And according to her they have a higher likelihood of getting the virus, that is to say they are poor, so dirty, so virus prone. Maybe she should take a look at the developing world figures (for whatever they’re worth) since they might qualify in that broadbrush discrimination (but are mildly impacted).

Now if that isn’t bad enough, and what they’re actually signalling here is that if you walk past someone that doesn’t ping their covid status then its possible they’re “digitally excluded”, and of not elderly, potentially belong to “certain social groups” and may be covid positive (and all the fear based paranoia that entails). Now we can add neo-medieval social control to the neu-fuedalist economy they’re ushering in.

And for the cherry on top:

“Ms Kind said a lack of access to smartphones or a history of distrust in governments, policing and other forms of surveillance could also lead to problems with people’s willingness to download an app – however well intentioned.”

Sleptics are added to the mix and their opting out is framed as an obstacle to success.

All this from a Human Rights Lawyer…

AnonSkeptic
AnonSkeptic
Apr 29, 2020 5:44 PM
Reply to  AnonSkeptic
Igor
Igor
Apr 29, 2020 9:00 PM
Reply to  AnonSkeptic

“AI think tank” is enough to discredit that source.
Pushing the idea that artificial, machine intelligence is superior to natural, human intelligence.
The Rise of the Machines.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 29, 2020 10:10 PM
Reply to  AnonSkeptic

In the West anything with the monicker ‘Human Rights’ attached to it is almost certainly a front for The Empire, and the apparatchiki knowing or unwitting stooges.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 1:34 AM
Reply to  AnonSkeptic

Let’s just use a bit of our own “neo-mediaeval social control” and put our traitors in the stocks as soon as possible – before the rotten eggs and tomatoes become all that we have left to eat… After that, it will probably become apparent that we don’t have anything like enough vacant prison cells in which to keep them for their long sentences, so their debt to society will have to be paid by other means.

bob
bob
Apr 29, 2020 5:13 PM

and on a more serious note, check this out:

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/killer-enterprise-how-big-pharmas-most-corrupt-companies-plans-corner-covid-19-cure-market/

“Emergent’s history of corruption and profiteering has in no way prevented them from cashing in on the Covid-19 global health crisis”

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 29, 2020 10:14 PM
Reply to  bob

That is precisely why the MSM vermin are so determined to denigrate hydroxychloroquine, a cheap, effective and safe treatment in the early stages of infection. The scum will have blood on their hands, and the BigPharma parasites billions in their bank accounts, when hugely expensive drugs like remdesivir are used, and HCQ is banned, as one BigPharma ‘doctor’ stooge has already demanded here in Austfailia.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 29, 2020 4:56 PM

Lovely hair, must be the air.

What is the difference between this version and the ones available on youtube still?

They don’t deny that SARS-CoV2 is new and very contagious and dangerous for these with pre-existing conditions.

Marcel a poster earlier on here put up a transcript from the broadcast i believe.

It makes it perfectly clear why there was a quarantine without saying so – to flatten the curve and stop the hospital icu’s becoming over whelmed.

The doctor does explicitly state:

I would start slowly [open up schools sporting events] I think we need to open up the schools start getting kids back to the immune system you know and the major events the sporting events these are non-essential let’s get back to those slowly.

And he makes it clear we need more testing.

Which is woeful in the UK and belatedly being started, though it seems we have not yet approved the tests and therefore we will not be told whether we have the correct anti bodies!

This is very specifically the fault of the UK governments political choice, for whatever political ends they desired.

lundiel
lundiel
Apr 29, 2020 6:06 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Everything you post gets downvotes now which is childish. As you know, I disagree strongly with your position on Brexit but nothing you say in this, or many of your comments about covid-19 are blatantly untrue, it’s just that your opinion clashes with those who either think the whole thing is a scam or those that think this is no different to seasonal flue; neither of which is true. And we will only know the full picture next year when full mortality data is released (We all know the current attributed covid-19 deaths aren’t trustworthy data).

They don’t deny that SARS-CoV2 is new and very contagious and dangerous for these with pre-existing conditions.

I assume this is where you committed political heresy. It would be nice if people explained themselves rather than hiding behind downvotes.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 29, 2020 9:10 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Cheers Lundiel.
I have pretty thick skin and to see such a quick set of down tickers after my posts is very revealing..
As you may know all my posts are based on facts and I usually cite the source. I make clear what is my opinion only.

The statement that you highlight about the virus is very contagious is MADE by one of the doctors – it’s in the transcript!

So what to make of it? It obviously comes across as trying to force the narrative, regardless of what even they cite as ‘expert’ knowledge itself says!

It is satisfying in a way that I have become seen as someone worthy of not being read by use of the downvote marker – Proyet must be jealous.

My current assessment is that we are over halfway and quarintine will start easing by end of May and be geographically and sectorially released. London will be the last but we should get some of the summer months. We may have regular reimpositions based on better community random testing to keep control of the spread but I expect the next winter will be the worst.

Let the downtick troll trucks roll!

Ort
Ort
Apr 29, 2020 4:54 PM

The traditional, conventional, “legacy” right/left dichotomy was at best a rule of thumb, and it’s been obvious during this century that the right thumb vs. left thumb signposts no longer reliably apply to the changing territory.

So the conventional, mass-media consent-manufacturers’ premise is that anyone who doesn’t fervently espouse the Official Megadeath Narrative of Doom must perforce be a degraded right-winger and/or capitalist deathmonger.

This view, or skew, is corroborated by the unfortunate emergence of what I’m coming to call the “conservative left”: ostensible leftists and contrarians who embrace the Megadeath Narrative, principally to express horrified high dudgeon at any skeptical views of the Narrative, and official indications that political and health authorities are considering relaxing or discontinuing ostensibly onerous “lockdown” restrictions. Just scan the World Socialist website (WSWS), which has become a litany of scare headlines denouncing alleged government attempts to return to the status quo ante.

If one accepts the Megadeath scenario as true and correct, supporting dubious authoritarian “public health” protocols, and indeed insisting that dispensing and requiring the use of Personal Protective Equipment, universal “testing” and “tracking”, is advocated in the name of demonstrating “solidarity” with workers. This pro-pandemic premise also has the corollary effect of decrying even the mention of moving away from the Megadeath Inquisition– i.e. government officials and business executives are reflexively accused of callously and cruelly attempting virtual working-class genocide by sending workers back into lethal workplaces.

It’s not without precedent; in the West, we’ve seen some elements of the ostensible “left” embrace Russophobia and the national security state– both the military and state-security apparatus. Now normally skeptical and contrarian voices, from the “Moon of Alabama” site to George Galloway, buy into the Official Megadeath Narrative of Doom. They express uncritical positive regard for the draconian protocols imposed in this Brave New Dystopia, and believe they are “standing with” workers and the poor by insisting that the state must ratchet up mandatory, universal PPE use, virtually permanent “social distancing” in workplaces and public spaces, and eventual universal, compulsory “contact tracing” and vaccination programs.

This flattened, binary thinking amounts to “Civil liberties? The Megadeath virus doesn’t care about your trifling ‘civil liberties!”

And all of a sudden Tucker Carlson doesn’t come across as an unregenerate, supercilious wingnut dweeb any more.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 1:43 AM
Reply to  Ort

I’ve noticed that Tucker Carlson has recently stopped deserving his contemptible reputation, and often even seems to make a lot of sense.

bob
bob
Apr 29, 2020 4:50 PM
Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 29, 2020 4:39 PM

A TERROR NARRATIVE

YouTube’s banning of Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi press conference is unequivocal proof that NSA/Google is threatening the lives and liberty of the US population.
A conscious effort is being put forth by state-run mainstream media news, and
co-opted independent websites including social media platforms to terrorize the US population. A fear about COVID-19 is being advanced as a way of gaining acceptance for heightened surveillance ultimately resulting in an even greater loss of liberty.

Science, is defined as the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. If that’s what is science is about, then shouldn’t the public have access to ALL scientific data derived through observational and experimental evidence. Why is the security state shielding the public from data disagreeing with the “terror narrative.”

The only reason the security state would censor this video is if the data presented by the CDC, the WHO or other tech billionaire funded health organizations is tainted and cannot be held up to the scrutiny of alternative findings without falling short.

Censorship, only occurs when governments fear the truth. Propaganda, is substituted for news in order to promote a particular political cause or point of view. The lives of the American public are secondary when security state miscreants are determined to advance a political agenda.

Mendacity and deception has resulted in massive unemployment and the bankruptcy of millions of small businesses. The malevolence of state-run mainstream media news outlets are becoming plain to see.

Forty years ago, the Church Committee revealed a large-scale CIA program beginning in the early 1950’s deployed to manipulate the news media for propaganda purposes. This operation, also funded student and cultural front organizations including magazines. This committee revealed how the CIA recruited leading American journalists into their “propaganda network.” Nothing has changed since the Church Committee released their findings in the 1970’s. As a matter of fact, things have gotten a lot worse. Technology is a boom for the intelligence agencies. With most print media eliminated the public is totally reliant on cable news or the internet.

During Russiagate and Ukraine-gate the control over the mainstream news by the intelligence agencies was in plain sight, especially on MSNBC and CNN where ex-CIA and ex-FBI agents were warmly welcomed as commentators. In fact, John Brennan the former director of the CIA, was hired by CNN someone who in 2014 lied during a senate hearing about surveillance programs which were not only spying on Americans but were also monitoring Senate Committees.

In that one respect COVID-19 is no different than Russiagate, however, this time the data the public obtains is from scientists who work hand-in-glove with the intelligence agencies. So in effect, mainstream media news is promoting the views of cherry-picked scientists being interviewed by security state assets (commentators) who annually secure millions deceiving the public.

Forty years ago, there were still politicians within the corrupt political duopoly who were NOT completely controlled by the security state, this was especially the case for Frank Church a Democratic Senator. Today, the Democratic Party is the lead defender and promoter of every insidious CIA warmongering operation. Without flinching a muscle the Democratic Party led by chocolate ice cream lover Nancy Pelosi jumped on the COVID-19 hysteria train. Agreeable to every draconian measure denying Americans the most basic liberties. The political duopoly (Republican and Democratic Party) are just merely another tool of the military/surveillance/corporate state.

The public must demand an end to censorship, while there’s still a “slight chance” for change. If no one speaks up NOW that tiny opening will be sealed shut forever.

hope
hope
Apr 29, 2020 6:21 PM

Im afraid Charlotte that relying on people to end censorship may not be realistic. Before I thought that the downtrodden, because they would be the first to lose their earnings, and wont have savings, would simply because of hunger react. But I now realise that the more disempowered you are, the more your spirit is broken, the less likely a reaction may be. Rather you may be more likely to kiss the hand that in effect kills you.

No, rather any hope of any end to this dire situation may take its time to come, but will come from the middle and upper middle classes: for this time they have been affected. E.g. just take airline industry, airlines and hence airbus, boeing are unlikely to survive. This means massive unemployment among pilots, cabin and ground crews, engineers, technicians, etc. Most of them are unlikely to find any jobs at a time when at least in the West so many will be unemployed and entire sectors of the economy will disappear. But these people are not used to poverty, and are more vocal, so they may react. And it will be like dominos. Less people able to pay rent, and hence proprietors will be impacted, etc, etc. Or people unable to repay mortgages…

Now its true that it is typical of a totalitarian state and of its more fanatic disciples that they cannot allow any ounce of reality filter through because this breaks a worldview that has no reality basis to it. But the fact is that the prosperous capitalist West has made a large part of its population addicted to a certain lifestyle: bars, nightclubs, going to shops to buy the latest brand and showing it off to their friends, drugs, being in crowds, sport is of interest to many simply because they can be in a crowd, etc, etc… Anyhow that lifestyle is addictive; so many will go mad, but mad or not, they will at some point break off. I dont see how social distancing and wearing masks is compatible with that lifestyle, being locked up certainly isnt, and you cant just change that lifestyle overnight: its too addictive. So in some sense the worse excesses of capitalism might be our guarantee that freedom will have to return.
Good rarely comes for good reasons, so to say.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 29, 2020 7:53 PM
Reply to  hope

You’re correct it’s the middle class and small business owners who are speaking out against the loss of liberty. They object to being held prisoner in their own home. They despise being told what’s essential. And they refuse to be pushed into taken vaccines rushed to the market and insufficiently tested.

We live in upside world. The Left is promoting the security state’s narrative and the libertarian right are saying they had enough.

Klein
Klein
Apr 29, 2020 4:37 PM

Obviously the video shouldn’t have been taken down, but I must admit to having a problem with how they extrapolated the data.
I think they were testing people who had symptoms or had been in contact with confirmed cases? So therefore not a random sample and would skew the numbers when you extrapolate.

However, I did take a look at Iceland’s numbers a day or two ago, and they had tested 12 % of the population, and anyone who wanted a test got one. I think that is a pretty large sample and random enough?

So using the same method with Iceland :

Iceland has a population of about 365k, and has tested about 46k, so 12.6% of population

Out of 46k, 1789 tested positive – which is 4% of all tests.

So as its a large and random sample, extrapolate that 4% out, and it gives you about 14,600 infections.

Iceland have had 10 deaths, which would give an infection fatality rate of about 0.06%

Unless I’m making a balls up of the calculations?

Also, since doing these calculations they have had 1500 or so more confirmed infections and no further deaths, so that IFR might be lower.

Willem
Willem
Apr 29, 2020 5:08 PM
Reply to  Klein

Yes, that is a nice confirmation of what the 2 doctors found: a CFR of Covid19 in Iceland that approximates the CFR of seasonal flu (as these doctors also found)

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 29, 2020 5:14 PM
Reply to  Klein

Klein

With regard to your second sentence you will be interested to see this video in which Dr Erickson is more explicit about the very point you raise. This video was posted on this thread earlier on today by @bob. It’s only about 10 minutes long and the point about ‘randomness’ is covered at the very beginning.

Klein
Klein
Apr 29, 2020 5:27 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Thanks, so it started off targeted but then moved to random. I wish they had mentioned that in their original video!

Yorkshirelad
Yorkshirelad
Apr 29, 2020 7:47 PM
Reply to  Klein

Klein, I’m repeating myself from an earlier reply to someone else. Go to Worldometers and there you will find full data for all countries. Over 6 million tests which I suspect is a statistically significant sample! If you calculate the IFR mortality country to country it is the same as seasonal flu, some countries higher, some much lower.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 29, 2020 9:14 PM
Reply to  Yorkshirelad

The ifr may be the same , much less or more than a flu or bad cold but what percentage of the population actually gets the flu or bad cold every year and how many of these don’t have previous immunity? That’s what determines the actual numbef of deaths in absolute terms.

Klein
Klein
Apr 29, 2020 11:52 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

That is true. Knut Wittcowski did make a good point in his latest interview that made a lot of sense – he said that every virus that spreads around is novel, otherwise it wouldn’t spread…

The cold is a tricky one as it is caused by many different viruses. And the flu is so useless at replicating itself that it changes so much – and a nice new vaccine needed each year.
Anyway, if this new coronavirus is to become endemic, it could mean it becomes less lethal. No idea, just speculating.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 30, 2020 4:17 PM
Reply to  Klein

No need to speculate.
Every host that is infected will reproduce the virus and it will by definition not be exactly the same as the one that arrived. Whether it is significantly different in key areas will determine whether it counts as a new strain. Last time I looked they were upto several hundred already!

As to becoming less dangerous – well a deadly strain would kill its host – and only a general quarantine would allow that strain to degrade and die – but a future random strain from a relatively harmless strain could well randomly become more deadly. Our flu vaccines are not for every strain that is beginning to circulate – they couldn’t possibly be. It takes months to make industrial levels of vaccines. And sometimes vaccines don’t necessarily protect.

The herd immunity is to have enough people with enough pre infections that may produce sufficient instant protection for the bodies cells from the new strain until new specific antibodies are generated.

It’ll take a few waves of worldwide infection to be equivalent to the flu – but the next one is likely to bethe worst.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 30, 2020 3:03 AM
Reply to  Klein

I live in Iceland, and although the State Broadcasting system generally parrots what the mainstream in the rest of the western world says, they do let us hear alternative views without showing any contempt for them. As for life in general, Icelanders are generally following common-sense guidelines, and getting on with everything which it is still possible to get on with. Also, just as with everybody else (except the Washminster “authorities”) the thing that concerns them most is the horrific talk of half of their country becoming unemployed, as well as the thought that life will never get back to normal again.
Perhaps it is relevant that the two Washington Mikes (Pence and Pompeo) recently, and separately, visited the country before Corona did, and a lot of people were wondering, “What on earth for?” I share their unease.

Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
Apr 29, 2020 4:35 PM

Interesting background on why many people infected with COVID-19 never have symptoms, differences in the number of dead North and South of the equator and the singular case of the Diamond Princess Cruise ship:

https://jefftbowles.com/make-your-immune-system-kill-the-coronavirus-covid-19-before-it-makes-you-sick/?fbclid=IwAR36z6mzVPgV3d54iBXUuViLTMl1_Ujv6foDSJkmLrR0tPieJpCPX-umvkw

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 29, 2020 6:03 PM
Reply to  Ross Hendry

Yes good points, and I’ve always advocated vitamin D3, but perhaps I’ve advocated vitamin C more strongly, also zinc, selenium and magnesium (which are good for many things, not simply defence against infections).

There is no single vitamin or mineral that is the silver bullet. In truth, our modern diet is generally deficient in all sorts of vitamins, minerals and other nutrients. We need to improve our diets and for most of us supplements will be necessary.

He makes good points about sunshine, and at northern latitudes it’s very difficult to get sufficient sunshine, and impossible for about half the year (because the sun is too low in the sky and the UVB gets filtered out).

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/time-for-more-vitamin-d

London is at about 51.5 degrees North, well above 37 degrees. (NYC is 40.7). If you are in Scotland…good luck (The Orkneys are at nearly 60 degrees). And we get a lot of cloud in Britain.

Still, it’s good to get sunshine when you can, and I do, but I also take vitamin D3 supplements, at the moment one 4000 IU tablet; two or more in winter. It’s possible that sunshine has benefits over and above vitamin D3 production, and fresh air and exercise certainly do.

Many experts recommend getting tested for vitamin D; the 25(OH)D test or 25-hydroxyvitamin D test. I think it’s a good idea in theory, but I must admit I’ve never had it done, due to inertia.

What I think would be interesting as a research project would be for all people infected with “COVID-19” (and showing symptoms) to be tested, and ideally, compared with a control group who are not showing symptoms.

Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
Apr 29, 2020 8:43 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

I’m the same regarding inertia and the D test. I take 10,000 iu in the Winter, usually less in the Summer but this Summer I may keep it up, doesn’t seem a good time to take less. I’m careful also to take K2, and a lot of the co-factors Magnesium, Zinc and Boron – as very large doses of D3 can cause them to be deficient. (Before I supplemented with a good amount of Magnesium for example I had a lot of insomnia.)

The research project sounds like a good idea.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 30, 2020 4:53 PM
Reply to  Ross Hendry

Thanks for reminding me about boron. I need to get back onto that. Have you heard of (Dr) Jorge Flechas? He has (hope it’s still there) a fascinating lecture about boron on YT. He’s got another one on silicon. His main “thing” (what he’s most famous for) is iodine, along with (Dr) David Brownstein.

Yes, magnesium is good for sleep I’ve found too. According to (Dr) Thomas Levy, although in general you have to be careful not to overdose on minerals, magnesium is one of the safer ones in that respect.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 29, 2020 4:29 PM

A TERROR NARRATIVE

YouTube’s banning of Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi press conference is unequivocal proof that NSA/Google is threatening the lives and liberty of the US population.
A conscious effort is being put forth by state-run mainstream media news, and
co-opted independent websites including social media platforms to terrorize the US population. A fear about COVID-19 is being advanced as a way of gaining acceptance for heightened surveillance ultimately resulting in an even greater loss of liberty.

Science, is defined as the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. If that’s what is science is about, then shouldn’t the public have access to ALL scientific data derived through observational and experimental evidence. Why is the security state shielding the public from data disagreeing with the “terror narrative.”

The only reason the security state would censor this video is if the data presented by the CDC, the WHO or other tech billionaire funded health organizations is tainted and cannot be held up to the scrutiny of alternative findings without falling short.

Censorship, only occurs when governments fear the truth. Propaganda, is substituted for news in order to promote a particular political cause or point of view. The lives of the American public are secondary when security state miscreants are determined to advance a political agenda.

Mendacity and deception has resulted in massive unemployment and the bankruptcy of millions of small businesses. The malevolence of state-run mainstream media news outlets are becoming plain to see.

Forty years ago, the Church Committee revealed a large-scale CIA program beginning in the early 1950’s deployed to manipulate the news media for propaganda purposes. This operation, also funded student and cultural front organizations including magazines. This committee revealed how the CIA recruited leading American journalists into their “propaganda network.” Nothing has changed since the Church Committee released their findings in the 1970’s. As a matter of fact, things have gotten a lot worse. Technology is a boom for the intelligence agencies. With most print media eliminated the public is totally reliant on cable news or the internet.

During Russiagate and Ukraine-gate the control over the mainstream news by the intelligence agencies was in plain sight, especially on MSNBC and CNN where ex-CIA and ex-FBI agents were warmly welcomed as commentators. In fact, John Brennan the former director of the CIA, was hired by CNN someone who in 2014 lied during a senate hearing about surveillance programs which were not only spying on Americans but were also monitoring Senate Committees.

In that one respect COVID-19 is no different than Russiagate, however, this time the data the public obtains is from scientists who work hand-in-glove with the intelligence agencies. So in effect, mainstream media news is promoting the views of cherry-picked scientists being interviewed by security state assets (commentators) who annually secure millions deceiving the public.

Forty years ago, there were still politicians within the corrupt political duopoly who were NOT completely controlled by the security state, this was especially the case for Frank Church a Democratic Senator. Today, the Democratic Party is the lead defender and promoter of every insidious CIA warmongering operation. Without flinching a muscle the Democratic Party led by chocolate ice cream lover Nancy Pelosi jumped on the COVID-19 hysteria train. Agreeable to every draconian measure denying Americans the most basic liberties. The political duopoly (Republican and Democratic Party) are just merely another tool of the military/surveillance/corporate state.

The public must demand an end to censorship, while there’s still a “slight chance” for change. If no one speaks up NOW that tiny opening will be sealed shut forever.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 29, 2020 10:19 PM

Ain’t the ‘Free World’ grand?

crank
crank
Apr 29, 2020 3:53 PM

The cold winter of 1951 killed an estimated 106,000 people in the UK. The population then was 50,600,000 as compared to 67,800,000 in 2020. So if the same proportion had died, say, this winter just past, it would amount to around 142,000 excess deaths in a season in this country.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 29, 2020 4:41 PM
Reply to  crank

I have my fathers black & white photographs of the frozen sea in Kent. You can “sea” similar images of the British winter of 1951 with a quick search.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 29, 2020 5:33 PM
Reply to  crank

There were also coal shortages and electricity blackouts, and food rationing was still taking place.

crank
crank
Apr 29, 2020 8:04 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Fuel shortages, electricity blackouts and food rationing are probably what we should expect next winter or the one following [https://www.artberman.com/2020/04/27/game-over-for-oil-the-economy-is-next/].
It is interesting how public perception of mass death is relative to the times, to the cause and to the role of the media in our lives. World War II is said to have killed 450,000 people in six years in the UK – equivalent to ‘a 1951’ every year, and that with people blowing each other up. I’d not heard of the winter of 51 before today though.
It all rather puts the above average death of covid this Spring into perspective of things past and things to come. For some at least.

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 29, 2020 3:28 PM

HOLD EVERYTHING !! The Sun “newspaper” is telling us……

“Death Toll could be a third higher as a poll shows Brits fear end of Lockdown.”

So there you have it. We don’t want to be free anymore. We just appreciate and applaud what our political masters are doing for us. How did we survive without such guidance and protection in the past I wonder ? Just look at those soaring Covid-19 “Death Statistics” and you get an idea of how lethal this new plague really is. I’m so terrified now that I may never leave the house again. Feeling like am lost in a very dangerous predicament and in need of some practical commonsense advice. Think I will phone that Bill Gates guy. He seems like a nice man who wears specs and is obviously a very clever person whom we can trust in these challenging times.

gordon
gordon
Apr 29, 2020 3:51 PM
Reply to  Grafter

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PWL
PWL
Apr 29, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  Grafter

I would venture to suggest that this isn’t about support for extension of lockdown. For a little while there has been slow build up (via telegraphing by certain “journalists”) of an operation to blame economic damage on a public appetite for lockdown. I assume that this poll has been invented towards these same ends. Likewise, because at this time certain corporate-media is floating an idea about the taxation of savings, expect soon to see improbable polls showing approval for being robbed out in the broad daylight.
The Queen is at economic war with the British people

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Apr 29, 2020 4:49 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Grafter,

Unfortunately from a reasonably large sample of people I know (and I have almost completely given up arguing), most people agree with The Sun. The ratio is far worse than BREXIT – (about 50:50), and nearly as bad as 9/11, where it was (about 1.5:98.5) ( I nearly convinced one person that the official story was impossible). It’s a bit soul destroying, when most people you know, are so dogmatic, and sometimes quite offensive. Their minds are totally closed, and they do not want to know. They just tell me to stay home, even more so than the government.

Tony

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 29, 2020 5:45 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony if as you say “most people agree with the Sun” then we really are in trouble. You must be a popular man knowing so many people.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Apr 29, 2020 6:50 PM
Reply to  Grafter

I’m not popular any more. Whilst my wife agreed with me at the start of this, she has been brainwashed by the “Groupthink” too. However, she is still a lot of fun, and is very impressed with me working so hard in the garden planting potatoes. She thinks it will be all over soon, whilst I think it will get considerably worse.

Maxwell
Maxwell
Apr 29, 2020 3:18 PM

Pardon the length of my comment here which has to do with propaganda coming from CNN- and then compare the CNN reportage with that from these two doctors.

Let’s take a quick look at how CNN (Cuomo New Network) propaganda works. For but one example:

Here we get the apocalyptic, fear headline:

Deaths spiked as Covid-19 spread in March and April, new analysis finds

And then the story- on the side of your screen you will see a short interview with the ever-reliable and now regularly featured “expert” Dr. Gupta to lend even more credibility to this new “report.”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/health/deaths-spike-covid-spread/index.html

And what does the report actually say? The essence of the report is found in the following comment by Dan Weinberger, the lead epidemiologist(?), (or does he just study infectious disease?) in the report:

Using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the team found about 15,000 excess deaths from March 1 to April 4. During the same time, states reported 8,000 deaths from Covid-19. “That is close to double,” Dan Weinberger, who studies the epidemiology of infectious diseases at Yale, told CNN.

The team could not show whether the increased deaths were due to coronavirus, Weinberger said. But there are strong indications that they were. For instance, the team also looked at data on doctor visits.

“What we see is that in many states, you see an increase in influenza-like illnesses, and then a week or two later, you see an increase in deaths due to pneumonia and influenza,” Weinberger said. “It provides some confirmation that what we are seeing is related to coronavirus.”

The first thing that stands out is that while the headline is worded so as to suggest (yet elusively) a spike in deaths to Covid (meant to increase hysteria in the viewers- and improve ratings) the report clearly states- “that it could not show whether the increased deaths were due to coronavirus.” Based on anecdotal evidence though, the report’s author itself then goes on to assert that as they have seen more “influenza like” illnesses that these “must be” Covid cases- and why is that? Let’s also keep in mind in the vast majority of these cases no testing is being done to confirm or deny Covid.

Oddly deaths attributed to influenza (even as the CDC warned us in December we were in for a bad flu season) have completely stalled and deaths from pneumonia have dropped off significantly as well. Makes one wonder how all the flu and pneumonia deaths are being categorized.

But the deceptions get even worse – as you can see there is an embedded link to the study itself- and when you click that link you will be directed here:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.15.20066431v1.full.pdf

The first item of note is who these authors get their funding from. As you can see the authors are awash in money from medical organizations that have deep ties to pharmaceutical companies. They are paid to do such studies.

Let’s also keep in mind that this is a pre-print study that is not peer-reviewed yet CNN (and WaPo) featured it and represented this as if the study was factual and beyond reproach.

FUNDING:

(Dan Weinberger) DMW acknowledges support from grants R01AI123208 and R01AI137093 from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases/National Institutes of Health. VEP acknowledges support from grants R01AI112970 and R01AI137093 from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases/National Institutes of Health. NGR acknowledges support from grant R35GM119582 from the National Institute of General Medical Sciences/National Institutes of Health and 1U01IP001122 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). TC acknowledges support from R01AI146555 from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases/National Institutes of Health. LS acknowledges support from the Carlsberg Foundation grant # CF20-0046. FWC acknowledges support from NICHD grant 1DP2HD091799-01.

But it gets worse as stated in the next paragraph which precedes the study we can see the lead author of the study has direct conflicts of interest here through his connections to pharmaceutical companies that stand to profit handsomely from the entirety of the Covid business model:

CONFLICTS OF INTEREST:

DMW has received consulting fees from Pfizer, Merck, GSK, and Affinivax for topics unrelated to this manuscript and is Principal Investigator on a research grant from Pfizer on an unrelated topic. VEP has received reimbursement from Merck and Pfizer for travel expenses to Scientific Input Engagements unrelated to the topic of this manuscript.

An intrepid reporter certainly should ask each of the authors to disclose their stock holdings and also examine the financial contributions received by The Yale School of Public Health where these authors work.

So are we to trust a pre-print, non peer reviewed study by authors who have direct ties to the very companies that will profit from this? CNN believes we should- so are we to believe CNN?

Ted
Ted
Apr 29, 2020 6:51 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

Great work Maxwell. Makes one wonder if these august scholars and people of the people were “friendly suggestions” to WaPo editors by the good friends at the neighborhood Pharma Lobby? Wonder how much in Pharma ads CNN and WaPo earn each year?

I have no doubt that the more extreme MSM scare mongering like this is a Parma PR strategy.

PWL
PWL
Apr 29, 2020 3:12 PM

Also seeing that Off-Guardian is having a problem on Twitter (although I can beat that, having been suspended).

I would suggest the fact that only 5% of “Covid-19” deaths can be uniquely attributable to the disease is causing twitchy sphincters in British military intelligence (see here). Early searches suggest that even the daily death reports in the local papers aren’t mentioning the proportions now.

Nervousness would be understandable. In the final analysis, if all the people who were going to die anyway (including that “excess” that is dying because of the engineered environment that engenders it) are bestowed “with coronavirus” on their death certificate, it won’t change the fact that only 5% didn’t die of something else. And even then, less than 5% will have died from “real” Covid-19 (see here).

whippersnapper
whippersnapper
Apr 29, 2020 3:10 PM

HELP NEEDED – FOR TECHNOPHOBE

How can you download this video – to keep a copy in case it disappears. (I have decided to do that with a lot of things because thing keep disappearing!

jay
jay
Apr 29, 2020 3:58 PM
Reply to  whippersnapper

You need a youtube downloader.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 29, 2020 4:48 PM
Reply to  jay

Many of the “save video” ask you to download their software. Don’t do that. If you use Firefox there is an extension that puts a green download button right on the YouTube page. One click and it downloads: It’s the Add On called Easy Youtube Video Downloader Express.

For Bitchute there’s another Add On called Bitchute Download.

Hmmmm
Hmmmm
Apr 29, 2020 4:09 PM
Reply to  whippersnapper

https://bitdownloader.com or change the ‘youtube‘ in any youtube video address to ‘youtu10‘ (thats a one and a zero in place of the b and e) – for example https://www.youtu10.com/watch?v=785mVr1RXAk ….. that will divert to a youtube download site – just give it a few seconds to generate the links. Alternatively just google youtube downloader and explore the reuslts.

didap
didap
Apr 29, 2020 6:12 PM
Reply to  whippersnapper

Download plug-in for your browser like https://www.downloadhelper.net/ point on this page and start download.