An open letter from Philip Roddis to OffG
Frequent OffGuardian contributor Philip Roddis offers some thoughts on our coverage of the covid19 pandemic
Dear Off-Guardian
This comment was made by a reader, below a recent post on my blogsite.
There’s just as much fear porn bandied about in regard to narratives pushing terms and concepts such as Police State, fascist takeover etc as there is about Covid-19. And it is just as legitimate to express scepticism towards those narratives as any others.
I’m one of your many fans. I support you by recommendation to friends and readers, links to your articles and a monthly s/o. Granted, that last is for a piddling amount but I am an OAP, and like to think every little helps.
I also write posts that give you good quality content, me a wider audience. This necessitates correspondence with the editors, in the course of which I’ve come to regard you all, though we haven’t met, as friends. Unusually intelligent ones at that.
Then along came Covid-19. On which you’ve posted good stuff, referenced in my own posts on the subject. It has, however, focused exclusively on one aspect of the pandemic: the real concern that our rulers are using it to remove hard won liberties. That’s an important aspect and, through articles questioning CV-19’s actual as opposed to claimed severity, I’ve learned much from the opinions of scientists like Bhakdi, Wittkowski and many other questioners of the mainstream narrative featured on Off-Guardian.
I do, however, give equal weight to a Left voice ignored by Off-Guardian. Whether or not the pandemic is overstated – and my view is it’s too early to call either way – it shines a torch as never before in my lifetime on the rottenness of capitalism, with its systemic inability to put people before profits.
It’s true this same Left has done the mirror opposite. Its focus on capitalism’s failures does not in logic require that it play up the severity of Covid-19, just as your libertarian instincts do not in logic require you to play down the same. Yet in practice – since we are as much psychological as logical animals – things don’t work that way. We decide what’s important and what’ s true – in that order – then go hunting for evidence to prove We are right; They are wrong.
As Dr John Lee said in a recent Spectator piece:
A theory from a group of scientists is just that: a theory. Believing the opinion of that group without critical verification is just that: belief.
As it happens the thrust of Dr Lee’s piece favours those who question CV-19’s severity, as well as social distancing and the science informing it. But it flags up a truth no camp – lockdowners, herd immunitists, ‘no-worse-than-flu’ pundits – may claim as their property. In reality scientific opinion, like the imperfect and highly confusing data from across the globe – here accused of overcounting CV-19 deaths, there of the precise opposite, is sharply divided, while tales from the frontline are worryingly rare and, again, give a mixed picture even within the UK.
A Barcelona friend whose thirty something daughter is a frontline carer at the city’s biggest hospital tells me no one there has experienced anything like the pressure all are under. There is of course a nationalist dimension since Madrid is widely believed to have diverted resource – for instance PPE donated by China, a long term friend of Catalunya – away from the city.
Such sharp divisions of relevant expert opinion, statistical data and the experiences of nurses, doctors and other frontline health carers raises epistemological questions but my concerns go beyond epistemology. History may show (or not) who is right and who wrong on the question of Covid-19’s severity, and on whether steps taken in the name of seeing it off will outlive the pandemic to hammer further nails in the coffin of liberty.
On such matters we may pick the wrong side. Which side that is we can’t yet know, however much we make assertions to the contrary.
Meanwhile, let’s none of us lose sight of the fact that those with whom we disagree may be wrong, but wrong in all good faith. Nor of the truth I flagged early on.
Whether or not the pandemic is overstated it shines a torch as never before on the rottenness of capitalism, with its systemic inability to put people before profits
Regards,
Philip Roddis
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It’s difficult to find an article in the ocean of grotesquely self-indulgent libertarian bullshit currently engulfing the Off-Guardian under which to post this notice of a paper from the Netherlands, so I’ll post it here:
Good article by Jonathan Cook in the weekend edition of Counterpunch. Seems not to be on his website yet. Even includes a health check on the Off-Guardian: Those who ignore or instinctively defend these glaring failings of the modern corporate system are really in no position to sit smugly in judgment on those who wish to question the safety of 5G, or vaccines, or the truth of 9/11, or the reality of a climate catastrophe, or even of the presence of lizard overlords. Because through their reflexive dismissal of doubt, of all critical thinking on anything that has not been pre-approved by our governments and by the state-corporate media, they have helped to disfigure the only yardsticks we have for measuring truth or falsehood. They have forced on us a terrible choice: to blindly follow those who have repeatedly demonstrated they are not worthy of being followed, or to trust… Read more »
There is no ‘systemic inability’ in capitalism, and the ‘rottenness’ is in humans themselves (their own choice of values), such statements are a matter of fanaticism, scapegoating of a system. Such statements are an indication of a severe lack of reflection and thoughtfulness. Actually, these are just political slogans, battle cries of anger, the unreflective always blaming the system. It is even so that the desire to accumulate material wealth exists mostly among the upper lower classes and middle classes. As soon as that desire is satisfied, it is power which is the main motivator, and wealth may serve to indicate status. Even more, the higher you go up, power becomes the main motivator, and wealth even a burden (though it may still be required to signal status). A lot of these guys on top are workaholics. The materialist craze, consumerism, is as such a matter of the lower and… Read more »
“…and so the capitalist system is perverted.”
Not. The capitalist system is perverted by its inherent misappropriation of the ‘surplus’ value of labour. Aided by the wilful confusion of many of its aspirants between a market system–which has adopted many forms throughout history; capitalism being only the initially but not terminally logical manifestation of market systems in industrial societies, their colonies, territories and dependencies; and could as readily (if not peacefully: greed, whether open or closeted, being what it is) adopt any of many equally viable market systems in theory and in the future–and ‘the end of history’.
And by its exaltation of usury, rightly scorned since antiquity as a, or even the, quintesential societal scourge but now providing the basic underpinning of both globalized (Wall Sreet and the City of London) and state (primarily Beijing and vassals) capitalism in general and its rentier class in particular.
I propose to add the quote, the fear based scheme of human caused climate change (as mentioned somewhere in the comments below). This scheme, of the same global proportions and ‘fantastic’ and ‘unreal’ in nature, also pushed by a priest class of ‘experts’, a technocratic scheme, also commercially exploited, accepted by incompetent and ignorant politicians, pushed by elites and fanatics, also leading to censorship and exclusion.
“There’s just as much fear porn bandied about in regard to narratives pushing terms and concepts such as Police State, fascist takeover etc as there is about Covid-19. And it is just as legitimate to express scepticism towards those narratives as any others.”
At the risk of total immersion in cliche, I have no choice but to say “Follow The Money.” If, as many have reported, a Bill Gates here or an Anthony Fauci there stands to make a bundle off the virus – admittedly, because of their fortuitous investments in the pharmaceutical industry – then I am slightly less inclined to accept their sincere regard for humanity and slightly more inclined to accept their sincere regard for their investments. So while indeed, as Mr Roddis suggests, it is a bit soon to arrive at a definitive scenario regarding the many aspects of Covid-19, the weight is building more – I won’t say “far more” but more – on the anti-narrative then the official narrative side.
Many aspects of which most of the thickheads around here can accommodate, at most, one.
Here is a thought, UK over 27000 dead and counting, population 65 million. Where I live, Hungary, less than 300 dead ( yes 300 !!! ) population 10 million. So thats almost a ratio of 100:1 .
Here closed borders since 2015 and no immigrants/refugees. Just a thought !
Also look at the numbers for Czech, Poland, Serbia ,Bulgaria etc… whilst its 28000 Italy, 24000 Spain, 24000 France .
So – despite all our guesses: What do we know?
I have been so disappointed, if not shocked, by the response from so many prominent people on the Left over this coronavirus flimflam. OffGuardian has remained one of the few sites to keep its integrity and its head from the outset. So I am sorry to see a favourite writer of mine taking time to criticise OffG for what I consider one of its greatest strengths. I don’t recognise OffG in the general description mr Roddis uses, I haven’t seen them make any personal attacks on those supporting the lockdown, but I have seen them get a tremendous amount of abuse from the likes of Caitlin Johnstone (I will never waste time reading her nonsense again), George Galloway, Moon of Alabama and all. I think they have come through this with reputation considerably enhanced, and not many can say that.
Amen, Hannah
I know it may seem a facetious thing to say but I have found that recently a lot of those Left sites are being far too “nice”. They seem to think they are still living in that world where we had some kind of social democracy, the middle path, a contract between opposing sides. And even when accounting for the horrendous things going on, they are still too apologetic. Maybe it’s time to get angry? Maybe it’s time to fully face up to the fact that there is no democracy? And that this little bit of customary fist waving from the Left has now become part of the theatre of Western politics, something even encouraged because the rulers know full well it means nothing.
The Western “Left” has always underestimated what it’s up against.
i didn’t read it as an explicit “criticism”per se, more of a call to pan-dimensionality of coverage. i’m not sure what other aspects there are to cover, though. i’m pretty sure we’re not going through a “public health crisis” myself.
but nobody is right, because who knows what “right” is?
personally i couldn’t do without off-g right now. it’s one of only two or three sites i can stomach now. i also find Philip’s pieces thought-provoking. that doesn’t mean i agree with everything he says, which is exactly how it should be.
Fully agree.
I don’t read this letter as critical at all, it’s just highlighting that our OffG has only gone down one rabbit hole. Are readers and contributors to OffG meant to all have identical views on everything?
If so, then we are not free thinking people, merely Party apparatchiks.
I think it’s called an “Open Letter” when a bit falls out of the envelope in transit.
http://steelcityscribblings.uk/wp/2020/04/17/an-open-letter-to-off-guardian/
The gate keepers and the judas goats are among the most difficult of the realisations to adjust to; and this is especially true if you’ve followed these people for some time. Once you get used to them, however, they become fairly easy to spot.
The link below is to a section from Barrie Zwicker’s Towers of Deception (2007), and there are related videos if you search the web. It’s a long time since I read the book, and I’ve only skimmed through the website, but you might find them helpful.
https://educate-yourself.org/cn/noamchomskygatekeepersofleft1part04oct07.shtml
Thank you for this astute comment. Being essentially a “leftist,” I have had to abandon just about every left leaning site I normally frequent over their non-critical blanket acceptance of the lockdown as somehow the only possible approach to this crisis. If only they would acknowledge the lockdown’s only too obvious shortcomings, I could accept their studied acceptance of the lockdown even though I disagree with it. But I cannot and will not accept their uncritical acceptance of something never before done in human history as the “best of all possible worlds.” Barring a superhuman omniscience, they cannot possibly know a lockdown is the best way to handle this virus. As an aside, I had read Barry Zwicker’s “Towers of Deception” when it came out; and found it extremely illuminating at a time when questioning the official narrative was as dangerous as it was heretical. I’m done with gatekeepers, whose… Read more »
I was speaking with my postman yesterday about the Royal Mail’s abandoning of Saturday letter deliveries using the Corona panic as excuse. The union is considering strike action over the move because they know that job losses will be substantial. Frankly, I don’t fear Covid19 , but I do know that cynics will use the panic as an excuse to institute policies that under normal situations would have been deemed unacceptable.
The government’s policies are at least understandable given the criticism they were receiving and the levels of public panic, but we all know that our society will be left much worse after the dust has settled.
Royal mail has been chipping away at services for years. I remember them getting rid of Sunday collections (although that was years ago). Next thing to go will be Saturday collections (which had already got worse and worse), as well as Saturday deliveries.
When we had a proper weekend service, e.g. a firm could post a bill on Friday; the recipient could get it on Saturday, write a cheque and post it on Saturday or Sunday before collection time, and the firm could get the cheque on Monday. Now there is at least a two day delay added.
Why does the UK need 6-7 day working? Market, produce, win sale, despatch, consume, market…rinse and repeat. The neoliberal dream. No thanks.
I disagree that the governments response was and is in any way understandable in terms of the welfare of society, because they enforced a social distancing policy and shutdowns of businesses AFTER they downgraded they risk of covid 19. It is understandable however if they are utterly selfish people, who know that the measures are not only unjustified but potentially harmful, but they believe they will have immunity from the harms, they are in for one hell of an almighty shock on judgement day, if they do not change their current direction, they don’t understand the laws of karma, the you will reap what you sow, knowing the horrific fate that awaits them I feel more pity for them than hate, I hope both for their sakes and the public they do repent from their thoroughly wicked ways
Oh dear, poor little us 99.99%. Pity the 0.01% got all the agency and we got none. Booey hooey. What are parrots good for? Words and squawks.
No, Mr Roddis. I disagree. We do know how lethal this virus is. It is not very lethal at all by the government’s own admission. (Need the link again?) And where were talking heads like yourself when there was the last influenza epidemic? What was your learned view on that? With respect, Mr Roddis, there are too many people like yourself who have not a clue what they are talking about who have suddenly become self appointed “expert” opinion writers and formers in epidemiology and virology. A reasonable assessment of the “lethality” of this coronavirus might be obtained by looking at the German figures. Because they are relatively low. The UK figures – we already know – are a downright lie. An open exaggeration of the true figure. Again, by the government’s own admission: “Covid19 related” is an appalling fudge! I cannot emphasise enough how dishonest and dangerous it is… Read more »
Good to see you back John Pretty. Some of us were getting worried about you. Hope you had some nice walks.
Not a bad idea to take a break. I should probably follow your example.
…and straight into moderation – pourquoi? – Not even a link. Just a friendly enquiry after an old friend.
Who knows? Sometimes it just happens. It just makes more work for us.
Mr Roddis I think the simplest way to evaluate the ‘people before profits’ issue is to look at supermarket policy toward home deliveries. I can speak with authority on this as I have had to try and set up home deliveries for my 94 year old father and 86 year old mother, who are without transportation and are undoubtedly vulnerable due to the normal slow disappearance of mental faculties in very old age. Neither are internet savvy, my mother (who for 50 years ran the housekeeping budget) is completely internet-illiterate. Having tried to engage with supermarket majors online the past two days, it is absolutely clear that they have zero interest in prioritising the truly elderly and vulnerable. What they are interested in prioritising are those with long-standing loyalty cards. They expect the truly old and vulnerable to have email accounts and mobile phones (since you have to list those… Read more »
Quote of the week!
Well said,,and here’s a big virtual hug to your parents
I am from India and here the authoritarian religious extremist central government has extended the lockdown by another 14 days from May 3 to May 17 making it a 57-day lockdown period assuming that it won’t get extended further when we near May 17. The impact on the non-affluent, poor citizens of my country has been severe. When the lockdown was announced on the evening of March 24, the people were given only a 4-hours notice. Daily wagers, migrant-workers and scores of other poor people have been stuck and the government support has been below average in some places, meagre in many other places and non-existent in some places. From the information made available to us, I believe the Corona-19 virus is not any more fatal than the influenza or other recent viruses. But India’s government will use any opportunity to clamp down on its citizens. In recent months, there… Read more »
Socialists do have problem with the current state of affairs, but must in my opinion put the material and spiritual health of the working class as priority. From that POV the rich must pay for all the fall out from the economic down turn. Whether or not lock down is suitable is surely a medical issue, the figures are indicating gross over reaction from almost all governments, but as medical tactics and strategy is as yet an indeterminant a medical solution has to be viewed separately from political tactics. The health of workers must come first.
Yeah, arguments, and counter uh.. arguments, debunking and complying, lets be real, and to be frank, factual for maybe ones. Mike More, or More Mike, I have knows this for decades, that AGW is just pseudo-science galore, nothing will change that, and again, attacking somebody without coming up with one f…. point of referances to what exactly one thinks is wrong, is as far I am conserned, f….. drivel, and I dont even care what you claim you are, from where and what, if you dont come up with arguments, you have an problem, and I am sorry we have this kind of Mofo all over the boards this days, are you from what, the 77 Brigade, or what, an idiot from Hardwierd, the Imperial dipshit colegeium of sniveling drivel in the Isle of the Brits, formerly known as the land of Angels. Polution and ecologiacl catastrophes, yes, I can… Read more »
I have been self isolating for two weeks from virus fear porn. In all that time I have seen and read no news at all other than to get a weekly update on the UK numbers.
It is a considerable relief that I come back to see this site is still running strongly!
John,
It is a considerable relief that you are still running strongly! Your ‘absence’ was noted by another commenter on here a few days ago with the expressed hope that you were ok. Glad that it appears so. I know it’s not been a long absence but nice to have you back! 😀
Seconded.
Good to see you back, John (y)
I’d also like to apologise to Rhisiart for being a bit hard on him. We are in unprecedented times at the moment and tempers are frayed, including mine.
Here’s the only Welsh language song that’s ever been featured in a Hollywood movie…
Hmmm. So many Welsh links to Japanese military activity starting well over 100 years ago. Welsh a language from Central Asia btw.
This one is sung in Cornish (for those that don’t know, Cornwall is a county in the far south west of England)…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rCeygWexyA
Gwenno is fluent in Cornish, Welsh, and of course English, and she also speaks a bit of French and Italian.
What have you done today..?
Err..strange question. Unless you already know.
Correction: Kernow is a small Celtic country in the South-West of the island of Britain.
LOL!
Men of Harlech in Zulu?
Not Hollywood. Larfely a fictional history of course.
For some reason I always imagine the seven dwarves going hi-hoing off to work in Snow White as having something of the Welsh miners about them – probably to do with childhood images of Harry Secombe of the Goons.
Diolch yn fawr i ti, ffrind Rob! 🙂
Rhis, you know I can’t speak Welsh (I have enough trouble speaking French!)
You might have just told me to ‘fuck off’ in Welsh.
We are going through very difficult times at the moment. I always enjoy reading your posts on various boards, and I respect your opinion enormously.
Again, we are going through quite unprecedented times. Hotheads like me have to speak out against it.
Please god you always continue to do so! The one-liner says: ‘Big thanks to you, friend Rob!’ 🙂
On vaccines- don’t touch one with a barge pole for at least 2 years after it has been trialled successfully and proved ‘safe’. And only then if it is to reduce the risk massively if you are in a vulnerable group is my opinion. But it will likely happen – the fastest a vaccine has been developed is 5 years for Ebola. New Scientist has more. https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24632804-000-why-itll-still-be-a-long-time-before-we-get-a-coronavirus-vaccine/ 29/4/2020 ‘More than 100 vaccines for the coronavirus are currently in various early stages of development. The more that are tested, the higher the chances of finding something that is both safe and effective. Yet there is no guarantee that it is even possible to vaccinate against the coronavirus. There is a lot we don’t know yet about how our immune systems respond to the virus, and whether it is possible to induce long-lasting immunity to it. … But it could be years… Read more »
Dungroanin, I can’t figure you out on this issue.
This is the biggest thing that’s ever happened in history.
You can’t sit on the fence with this sort of stuff.
You’re either for freedom or you’re against it.
I’m for survival of all and freedom for all.
I’m for end of the ancient Anglo imperial pathocracy and their slavery and warmongering robber baronery.
I’m for the lifting of the poorest and the lowering of the richest.
I’m for personal security for every single human being wherever they are born and where ever they live.
Only with that will all life on Earth be secured.
It needs to happen. It will happen. It is happening.
All we are seeing is the 5+1 eyed gollum monster pterodactyl trying to hang on to its perch and trying to fight of King Kong.
Meanwhile there is a new virus to deal with. It is being used as an excuse in that fight.
My money’s on Kong.
I ain’t sitting on a fence moaning
I done groaning and started doing.
What is dom? I’m for freebeer. Is dom as good as beer?
The Slog is a great site. I think run by John Ward. Some OAP who lives in France.
His thinking is off the scale.
Off topic too Having had a quick look at Craig Murray’s site I was horrified by the comment below from one of his ‘hidden’ moderators. There had been lots of debate about the ‘virus’ and the data and a commenter called Bob Dee received this – I include his comment and the moderators comment for your interest: ************************************************ Bob DeeMay 1, 2020 at 16:20 as a pathologist I take exception to the claim below: clark – “The extra deaths are recorded and categorised by countless health workers in hundreds of hospitals across scores of local authorities. Unless these are all “in on some scam”, and likewise in other countries all over the world, covid-19 is the most likely explanation. That’s what best explains the data.” you are deliberately conflating a number of issues, the main one of which is that the ‘extra deaths’ as you call them may well be… Read more »
Bob dee is on the money.
You don’t have to unlock incognito files to dig up that available information.
That pathologist is used to being around dead bodies too much to make any coherency.
The moderators at Craig’s site are appalling. I stopped my subscription over their behaviour. Clark is a former moderator of the site, and a personal friend of Craig. He gets the cotton wool treatment by the mods. I took him to task over his rather ham-handed spamming of the comments with his XR advertorials. The mods were all over me like a rash with threats and deletions. I’ve also found Clark to be quite disingenuous with his reasoning and arguments. He comes across as a right smartarse.
The mods there are very protective of Craig, which is a good thing because he seems quite fragile in some respects. But I think he doesn’t realise the damage they do, driving posters away from his site with their often piss-poor moderation.
“The mods there are very protective of Craig, which is a good thing because he seems quite fragile in some respects.”
Craig Murray is an adult Tony and quite capable of looking after himself. He is open about his mental illness, but that does not stop him from turning up at courthouses and causing trouble.
Craig Murray is a hypocrite. He shouts loudly about freedom of speech, but wrecked my friendship with Tatyana whom I was very fond of. I started an off topic thread “Russian in world war two” under my old name at the end of August 2019 which was mostly composed of comments by myself and her.
Murray’s site is a GCHG/MI5 operation. Murray never, ever questions what’s really going on. We are now in unprecedented territory, but what does Murray say about it? Ziltch.
The trolls on Murray’s blog are a wonder to behold. You just need to ask yourself why these trolls are given free reign.
Craig has taken a cautious, middle ground-ish approach to the covid19 issue, a position with which I disagree. I disagree strongly with him on other issues, such as the EU. That doesn’t make him a gatekeeper or an Establishment shill.
The issues he has faced with the Establishment (of a scale exponentially worse than, I suspect, most of us here have faced, or are ever likely to face) nearly finished him off back when he was sacked from the FO. Most people would have gone away to a quiet life, but Craig has continued to be a thorn in the Establishment’s side. And now they are trying to put him in prison.
The notion that he us MI5 is utterly preposterous. He is one of us. And we have to accept that we are a broad church.
As an addendum, I would be surprised if Craig’s inner circle hasn’t been infiltrated by the security services. And Clark’s a prime candidate. Cut through his ‘rebel’ persona, and he’s pro-establishment with pretty-much all his political views, labelling everyone who takes an anti-estabshment stance on just about any issue as a conspiracy theory nut/idiot. He was on the last march in support of Julian Assange (as was I), but you will struggle to find anything substantial in his writing in support of Julian.
Tony, I agree that Craig is obviously an honorable man.
But if you look at his site, with its moderation policy and a plethora of security service trolls, it’s quite obvious what’s going on there.
My guess is that people like Craig are only allowed to operate within strict confines, and Craig knows this.
This in itself is very disturbing in what is supposed to be ‘a democracy’.
“He is one of us.”
Might be one of you…
Do not class the hypocrite with me.
He’d sell his own grandmother.
Tell me breweriana, what have you done to further good causes? Pretty much the same as me, I expect. Post on alt media sites, go on the odd march, write to your MP, donate a bit of money. Craig has used his former status in the Establishment to put himself front and centre on many, many good causes, to the point that the Establishment is now trying to put him in prison. We are all hypocrites in some ways. Craig isn’t perfect. Neither are you or I. The regularity with which the alt media and it’s supporters turn on each other must be a joy to behold to the Establishment.
He is just a bully. I get it.
Clark is a personal friend of Murray’s. I have been a victim of Murray’s moderators. I have said before here that an anonymous moderator of his sent me a personal e-mail telling me (in July 2019) that I was not to comment to one of his other commenters, a Russian woman with whom I was friends. I considered my relationship with her to be none of their business. I ignored the order and carried on until September 2019 at which point I was put on pre-moderation without any prior notice. I sent a number of very strongly worded e-mails both to Murray and the anonymous moderator by way of protest. These e-mails were ignored. I then left of my own accord and returned briefly over Christmas and the New Year under my own name. This was until mid January when I answered one of the Russian lady’s comments and was… Read more »
Clark’s a prick. He labelled me a racist in a brexit debate, purely on the basis that I support brexit. I found this deeply offensive in view of the fact that my other half is Asian and my offspring mixed race, and we’ve been on the receiving end of real racism all through our family life. Something I doubt Clark has much, if any, experience of. Btw, he hates Off Guardian because they debunked his beloved XR and the climate change scam. I totally disagree with your assessment of Craig, John. He couldn’t possibly make Baraitser more hostile to Julian because Baraitser has been as hostile as she can possibly be since the start. And it’s patently obvious that she’s been primed from higher up (probably by Arbuthnot) to take that position. Craig has done an outstanding job in getting this ongoing travesty of justice out to the public and… Read more »
Just been reading the last page of comments for the latest OP on Craig’s site, between mowing the lawn and waiting for dinner (takeaway curry tonight). Clark is up to his usual hectoring and harrassing of anyone and everyone who has the slightest difference of opinion (I note that the astute John Goss now pointedly ignores him, even when addressed directly). Out of boredom, I decided to do a bit of counting. Of the, currently, 138 comments on the page, Clark has posted 24, over seventeen percent!!! If he were a mature adult (which he isn’t), he would know to reign himself in a little.
“I have been a victim of Murray’s moderators.”
“Victim” of a fucking moderator in an unincorporated, non-governmental individual’s website. Get fucking real. Anyone who claims that is primarily a “victim” of their own self-importance. Assange is the victim several nation states and international corporations. Multiple charred entities, some of them without uttering a contestable word, were mediaeval victims of state-sponsored organised religion. But anyone who thinks that a quarrelsome or haughty moderator’s comments, deletions or consignments to pre-moderation has a serious problem with the narcissistic overevaluation of their own self-aggrandizing opinions. Get real. There are thousands of totally unheard and unsung philosophers greater than Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Machiavelli, Kant, Mill, Nietzsche, Russell, Wittgenstein, Foucault and Derrida, all put together, right over there in Thomas Gray’s copious churchyard. Go check it out.
Finally people are catching on.
A site, where Murray’s goons.. er, ‘mods’ will insult commenters with impunity, remove any comments that do not fit with Murray’s views, etc.
He’s now in trouble with the law because of his arrogant overreach in his previous articles.
A self-centred ego-maniac, who’s site is best ignored: it’s just a bunch of hypocritical posturing.
“He’s now in trouble with the law because of his arrogant overreach in his previous articles.”
You couldn’t have packed more complete and utter bullshit into one sentence if you’d spent a month trying. All the MSM covering the Alex Salmond trial have crossed, and continue to cross the legal line that’s being used against Craig wrt “jigsaw identity”, and most of them have been less careful about it than Craig. If this is the reason for his prosecution, every newspaper and TV station that covered the trial would also be under prosecution. He’s not being targeted because of “arrogant overreach”. He’s being targeted because he published the defence side of the trial that the MSM completely ignored, publication of which has put a spanner in the works of the Establishment’s continued pursuit of Alex Salmond.
Defending a bully does not get you far.
Craig Murray does not have any problem posting whatever he likes on your website.
Philip – thank you for a sound and wise voice in these difficult times. You may well be right about capitalism – as Winston Churchill once said the problem with capitalism is that it doesn’t spread its benefits evenly through society. He did of course go on to suggest that socialism spread its misery to everyone. In the last century or so, the left killed many more people than what most describe as the right. Usually assigning the Nazis as right wing, when they were of course The National Socialist Party. Even China has had to move to a form of capitalism to make the spectacular advances of the last 30 years. For me the main lessons I have learned recently (and not just with C-19) is to recognise that the right are capitalists and the prominent left are mostly crony-capitalists. Capitalism will come under immense pressure after it has… Read more »
The usual sub-idiotic spewing of lies at scocialism. The equating of the Nazis with socialism is despicably ignorant.
I would say that what you call the “prominent left” are simply not left at all. It’s actually very hard to find anything genuinely left in our modern society, and my solution to that problem is simply to think of all politicians, mainstream media and CEOs as “right”, and the rest of us as significantly to their left. As a belief, it may not be 100% correct, but, as a rule-of-thumb, I find that it works very well. Despite the fact that the Nazis were, technically and by name, the National Socialist Party, their agenda and their actions were actually fascist and right wing – “If it walks like a duck”… We should also remember that, to Hitler, the Communists were an abomination, and, just as for today’s Washington there is no difference between a socialist and a communist, we should perhaps avoid euphemizing the gulf between good and evil… Read more »
Off topic. I didn’t want to (given that the director is Michael Moore and Counterpunch finds it a good docu) but since it was recommended by so many, I watched this new docu from Michael Moore today. I didn’t like it at all. True, he exposes the scam of ‘green energy’, but this is nothing new. He also uses the word ‘we’ quite often, which makes me suspicious, like in ‘we all wanted green energy so much, etc’. – I mean, how does he know that ‘we’ wanted that and never raised any suspicion over the fact that wind mills and solar Panels had to be mined before they could become operational. And then he never explains if coal and gas are really bad for the climate or not, it is just unanswered in the doc. But the worst part, IMO, is that he exchanges one lie (the green energy),… Read more »
There’s a lot of simple misanthropy rooted from traumatic upbringings and a toxic environment that’s confused as profundity among intellectuals. I can see the Moore/Gates ‘overpopulation’ canard stemming from that.
The REAL problem is over-consumption, particularly by rich countries and rich individuals in particular. The ecological collapse is absolutely irrefutable.
Well, are you denying that every major life-sustaining system on Earth is either collapsing or near collapse, thanks to human destructiveness?
It depends on how you define ‘human’
Don’t know if this copies and CO2 may be the wrong example, but I believe the idea is the same as always: some people are spoiling it for us all and want to hide their decadence in using the term ‘we’, ‘human’, ‘us’
A comment from me to those BTL . Poor people living in cities don’t have the option of growing their own food, nor were they able to prepare for the effects of the virus, nor did they have any say in their economic future, especially with so many of them now out of work and awaiting benefit payments with no savings, no garden to sit in enjoying the spring sunshine, no stocks of vitamin C, zinc and no vitamin D. Also, the disease is far more real to them than for middle class people living in relatively rural areas where they don’t even know anyone who’s got it, let alone died from it. Then there’s the added risk for ethnic minorities with some three times more likely to get it than white people. The people posting on on this site are sadly ignoring such people, come across as very insular… Read more »
Thumbs down, lundiel. I’m poor, and as a poor person, I want the truth. I don’t want to be used for fake sympathy just so you can throw up about how scary this virus is so as to support the lock down, because it’s not scary. Relying on the U.S. regime to pay my bills and feed me through the lock down period is a million times more stressful than worrying about what amounts to a seasonal flu.
The US citizens ought to have a regime that will give them the security that us Brits get.
But the US voters need to vote for it. You have 6 months to make it a reality by using that great American get up and go and get people in power who will give it to you.
Us Brits had a choice to vote for even better, last December. But we chose to have a deal with the US to make it like yours instead!
Save us both!
Lundiel my great pleasure to cheer you on, play it a few times and don’t let the buggers get at you. All best.
Piss off with your emotional string-pulling. Hospitals are fucking empty. Nurses are dancing the tik-tok dance. When the seals start clapping, they’re out there with cups of latte laughing and chatting, About 30 million are jobless in the US and the number is growing. Are there no hospital workers among them? YOU are killing people by jailing them and isolating them from human interaction. And you are RIGGING the fucking numbers. You are RIGGING the fucking numbers by recording anything as a C19 death.
Rage Reg! Losers resort to abuse. You have trolled into a post I directed towards another poster, raging and snivelling, like a demented bullshit BrexShitter zombie bully thug. The song has nothing to do with the CV – it was released 2 years ago. It was offered to the poster who had expressed some feeling towards the multicultural Londoners and the immense gaslighting and indeed barracking, the poster has realised is happening here. It undermines your message? TOUGH. I responded to the second poster from another continent as well, who actually was the first to use emotional blackmail upon the o/p in this exchange and you are the second. My recommendation for the citizens of the US by their elected representatives is simple – DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! You seem to think we in the UK should worry more about the US? That we should feel PITY for them? You… Read more »
I think you might need to take some downtime D. No one is retrieving things from your device.
It was there – I read it and decided to respond this morning- at which point it was no longer in my Inbox, deleted or anywhere else! It happened to me previously some years ago now in an exchange with the moderators from the Guardian- one of whom had reinstated my comment and sent an email saying so to confirm- the following morning my comment had been removed again and so had the email from that moderator. Yesterday I identified you as having edited your post to me, which i know about because I obviously received your email with your original post. A bit later I received an email with no sender, subject and dated 1970! That too disappeared from my inbox when I checked later. Now this email relating to Reg’s post from off-G has similarly vamooshed. What’s up? Lol. Using NSA/GCHQ tools is what’s up. Btw I’m still… Read more »
We get hundreds of comments a day, D, so I’m afraid I don’t recall the one you’re mentioning, but I don’t think anything I have said to you could be described as ad hom. If you really think so, take it up with an editor.
I really doubt GCHQ is deleting your emails, but of course anything is possible. 🤷🏻♀️
OK, game’s up, it was me. I am a bad man.
Go play with some covid numbers, DG. And don’t forget to wear your dog muzzle.
then there’s the added risk for ethnic minorities with some three times more likely to get it than white people Iceland and swedan was always mentioned by the alt right funded by you no who. Until very recently the alt right have stopped talking about sweden iceland et c it had one of the highest according to them had thee most immigration population YET has the least CV19 cases. now once we get beyond this we an see that here’s the added risk for ethnic minorities with some three times more likely to get it than white people. is horseeeeshit this is exactly the same a MO with HIV Aids also Hep C diabetes Heroin addiction Crystal meth addiction etc etc etc Heroin addiction Crystal meth addiction HIV Aids diabetes was a white carrier at the very beginning aimed at a demographics of people to demonize a certain group of… Read more »
Crispy is asking that all three angles to the Hegelian dialect are examined. He’s not wrong – all too easy for you guys to feel virtuous for recreating a 20 year old Guardian model. But that model was not all truth and goodness either, though it was so in part. And I’m speaking as a reformed Guardianista who flirted with its antithesis until I realised that we’re all being shafted by the evil synthesis. Time to leave the dream world of left / right, old / new, conservative/ liberal (etc, ad infinitum) behind or we’re all buggered.
Dialectic
I’m just wondering why you’re representing Crispy here, when he can clearly speak for himself and when you’ve previously accused him of being 77th Brigade?
Tried to respond in the thread following his comment, but it came up “comments closed” so posted it up front instead. Are you serious? Is Crispy not a human being whose views are capable of coming into clearer focus? Am I not allowed to appreciate his comments in this context? Or are you just a bit sore because I don’t think offGuardian is perfect? Grow up.
Don’t troll, and don’t abuse the mods. This thread is completely OT, and if you tried to pull stuff like this on any comparable site you and Crispy and several other serially abusive posters would be banned.
Have a little respect for the fact you aren’t and won’t be. And if you can’t do that feel invited to leave and try your luck posting stuff like this anywhere else.
Whitney Webb on the illustrious Mr. Gates.
Webb has just published an interview with Maria Farmer on Last American Vagabond. It’s a must-listen.
According to Webb’s interview with Maria Farmer, Gates and Epstein go back at least to the 1990s, if not earlier. It was, she says, a business relationship. The question is what types of business.
I do not agree with all of this article certainly as regards the UK . It is clear from the ONS mortality rate charts that the death rates in the under 50’s has hardly increased at all and in no way supports any mass imprisonment. The 50-70 mortality rate does suggest an average increase but again not to the levels that you would imagine the lockdown warrants. These are facts, quoted numbers and easy to assess. Because these numbers do not present the governments actions in the best light, certainly in respect of 85% of the working population( under 70’s) they have resulted in relying on R0. This is a calculation that has no transparency and apparently no accuracy so cannot be analysed proved or disproved. The reality is that as this virus is only dangerous to the elderly and sick so why is the nationwide R0 number relevant at… Read more »
Regarding your last sentence: In fact I’m over 70 myself, yet I still think the lockdown should be terminated forthwith. As one of the wise alternative commenters on this CoVid issue stated (the gist paraphrased here from memory), “We are acting as if death was not a natural or inevitable part of existence. Something, some time, is definitely going to do us all in, usually one by one, but always inescapable, and disease is a part of that. We cannot live meaningful lives if we go into denial about death.”
I am living proof that Plato’s fourscore years and ten no longer apply to modern man (he stated that it was only good manners to die at 70…) but although I certainly wouldn’t advocate taking unnecessary risks with one’s life, I consider that to entertain the idea that there is something intrinsically unfair about death is laughable delusional psychopathy.
I think the over 70s should be treated like the adults they are and allowed to make their own decision whether to quake indoors in fear, or to get on with living as full a life as their health permits.
A poster below called “hope”, asked me about India, a place my wife and I have travelled to on 4 different occasions, often to very remote rural places, where hardly anyone spoke much English. We found all the people we met completely lovely, and we love the country – particularly Kerala. “hope” wanted to know where I had got my information from. Well it was from an interview with “Democracy Now” from Indian Author Arundhati Roy. This is part of the transcript. Tony “..on the 24th of March, with four hours’ notice, which ran between 8:00 at night and 12 midnight, Modi locked down this nation of 1.38 billion people without warning. ..You have a situation where you have millions of workers and migrant workers under a lockdown, which is supposed to enforce social distancing, but it only enforces physical compression. People are crammed together. People are separated from their… Read more »
Thanks for the info. Im very worried about whats going on in India and there are so little info coming out. Saw some videos about the food riots. In the first place, I dont understand how Indians could accept the lockdown and why none from the scientific or academic community is speaking out. It shows how much foray fascism had already made: in fact the situation was already terrible. But that people accepted to actually be locked up in country where tragedies happen daily, where the numbers killed by pollution or malnutrition run in the millions… Its very interesting that the other fascistic leader Bolsano in Brazil is against the lockdown. India has lost its soul. Just a little poem, which frankly, applies to all countries, but was written for India by Tagore: Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high; Where knowledge is free; Where… Read more »
I am from India and here the authoritarian religious extremist central government has extended the lockdown by another 14 days from May 3 to May 17 making it a 57-day lockdown period assuming that it won’t get extended further when we near May 17. The impact on the non-affluent, poor citizens of my country has been severe. When the lockdown was announced on the evening of March 24, the people were given only a 4-hours notice. Daily wagers, migrant-workers and scores of other poor people have been stuck and the government support has been below average in some places, meagre in many other places and non-existent in some places. From the information made available to us, I believe the Corona-19 virus is not any more fatal than the influenza or other recent viruses. But India’s government will use any opportunity to clamp down on its citizens. In recent months, there… Read more »
Roy exactly represents my feelings observing the way that a lock-down was imposed on the whole of India for the sake of protecting the middle classes in the cities – presumably. I had Zero confidence in Modi before this happened, but now believe he is totally corrupt, and likely acting on behalf of special interests. But this also leads to another question, which is why it was that so many African countries, including two-bit states we barely heard of, almost simultaneously imposed lock-downs, even before they had half a dozen cases. It was almost as if the IMF or other body had put out a directive to governments that they must do this in order to receive any assistance following the pandemic. But I also believe that the effect of CV19 on these countries will be minimal, and little compared with the other diseases they face every day, not to… Read more »
Spiked on unlocking the public
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/01/unlock-the-people/
Spiked? The very bottom of the barrel.
A lot of generally well-meaning, if irreversibly politicised, people seem to be coming to the grim realisation that the boot stamping on a human face forever won’t necessarily be fastened to a right foot. Even so, their overwhelming response is to mitigate their own sense of guilt / gullibility by trying to convince long-time sceptics of the state not to say ‘I told you so’ if we do in fact find ourselves living under Chinese-style conditions as a result of this pandemic hoax.
Yes, it seems ‘the other foot’ is cheering on what was thought to be a feared ‘right footed’ move we should avoid. But then it also seems the ‘other foot’ is very flexible in it’s core beliefs, even to the point of their being opposite from time to time. Not that the right is steed fast in theirs either.
the left and right paradigm – Imagine a one legged man wearing fake leg – forever.
Indeed. Bill Clinton’s Mentor Carroll Quigley Reveals Fraud of the ‘Two Party System’
“The argument of two parties should represent opposed ideas and policies, one perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinate and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. The policies that are vital and necessary for America are no longer subjects of significant disagreement, but are disputable only in details of procedure, priority, or method.”
Carroll Quigely – “Tragedy and Hope” pp. 1247-1248
‘Chinese style conditions’? Growing wages. World’s best infrastructure. Technological and scientific boom. An ongoing cultural renaissance. And the Fort Detrick virus defeated after a massive effort. I wish.
Several of my real-life friends seem happy to embrace an overarching surveillance state, so while I don’t understand this line of thinking at all, who am I to question your preferences?
My only experience of China has been a short trip to Shanghai, where, to me at least, the tension in the air was palpable. Also, for all the ultra-modern, ‘future is now’ appeal of the city centre, the surrounding areas appeared to be comprised of nothing but high-rise slums as far as the eye could see.
Rappoport on the super-duper saviour of humanity, The Covid Vaccine!
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/05/01/the-covid-vaccine-simple-facts-staring-us-in-the-face/
I’d be interested in comments about this article as it raises the issue of what matt hancock is doing to the nhs – given he was the digital minister not long ago –
https://vocal.media/theSwamp/the-epstein-associate-nobody-s-talking-about-the-idf-linked-bond-girl-infiltrating-the-uk-nhs
I think hancock is no more than a placeman (and gobshite) who is no longer in control of the nhs (that’s Simon Stevens’s job – outsourced in 2012)
Chilling. The infiltration and takeover has been going on for some time. Corbyn might have become a threat but he was taken out with maximum prejudice. These are dark times.
Corbyn did not fight, so was probably controlled, like Boynie Sanders.
Always good to meet others who think Hancock is a gobshite. 🙂
Let’s just not forget the rest of them…
That is some serious sh1t, even more terrifying than the phone interview posted below from an American Girl, who I currently have more respect for than anyone I know living on this planet. She is even more impressive than Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett, and I was not expecting that from an American Woman (check out “The Guess Who”) Such courage and intelligence is awesome. Where are The Men? Whilst you work out who I am referring to (it’s not hard), I would suggest a relatively soft introduction, which is still my favourite book. I knew nothing about Susan Lindauer, nor her book. Talk about a page turner..and when it was all kicking off in Syria, I asked her a question through a blog, and she replied to me with the truth so far as she knew from women on the ground in Syria. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Extreme-Prejudice-Terrifying-Story-Patriot/dp/1453642757 As investigative journalists go this… Read more »
“she looks so young and so sweet” WTF???!
This legal challenge to the government decree could possibly create some interesting publicity and subsequent debate. Let’s see how good the government is at stonewalling it:
https://wedlakebell.com/legal-challenge-over-lawfulness-of-government-lockdown-launched-by-entrepreneur/
I do not doubt that government’s actions have been (and continue to be) unlawful. The “lockdown” measures are clear and blatant violations of the Human Rights Act and the European Convention on Human Rights. However, I am not optimistic that judges will prefer the law to the virtually unanimous view of the establishment that this is an unprecedented crisis and the “lockdown” measures are essential.
That’s the second judicial review application i’ve heard about this week challenging the lockup.
I don’t hold much hope. Surely government has prepared for such a eventuality, it was almost inevitable eventually. I also worry that the judiciary is very much infiltrated with indoctrinated liberal (leftist) values .
As a side note i do wish everyone would not adopt the govs terminology of the wuflu panic-demic i don’t just do it out of facetious ridicule, its important we don’t legitimize their propaganda.
I doubt it very much, such is their arrogance and hubris. They will attempt to ignore it or sweep it away with a condescending wave of the hand.
We are talking about the British judiciary here are we? They may be Remainers to a man|woman, but leftist?
You must be joking.
You ask me that seriously? what was Sir Ikeas post before being carefully placed into the labour party to carry out his quiet coup? Head of the Crown Prosecution Service, & you think hes liberal centrist?
I dare say there’s a few crusty old conservatives left in the judiciary but i put money on them adopting the lunacy of leftist politics every other section of the establishment has. And what is the EU if its not leftist?
And what is the EU if its not leftist? That old chestnut. I can’t remember your background, if you have previously explained it, but the old fashioned left in the UK were traditionally opposed to the EEC (which became the EU) because they identified it as a “Capitalist Club”. This was true, but in earlier times, the leading EEC countries had strong Social Democratic or nominally socialist parties, which tempered their capitalism with strong social policies, tended to promote full employment and a tendency towards more equality. This meant that people on the right tended to mistrust the EEC (and then the EU) because they saw it (incorrectly) as “socialist”, because of this tempering attitude to wards capitalism. However, times changed, and monetarism/neoliberalism became the new orthodoxy, and “Keynsian” economics was pronounced dead, or irrelevant. The EU is a fully-paid up member of the neoliberal capitalist club. It certainly isn’t… Read more »
The closer we get to the Gatesgasm of mandatory worldwide vaccination, the more we will hear any legitimate questioning of vaccine tyranny characterized as a ‘conspiracy theory’. Let’s spend a minute to deconstruct this intellectually bankrupt cliche. First, the use of this label is a ‘contempt prior to investigation’ phenomenon. It is slapped on before any real investigation of the claims is made. If a person actually investigates a claim, they have no need for such a spurious label for the screamingly obvious reason that all they have to do is say “I think your theory or evidence is inaccurate here and here and here and here and this is why.” But with little to no real engagement with the topic they label something a ‘conspiracy theory’ which then in turn absolves them from any possible responsibility to grapple with ideas, investigate claims, provide evidence and risk a dialogue. Neat… Read more »
“When they have hundreds of billions of dollars to spend on their conspiracy it becomes so pervasive you can hardly say it’s a conspiracy — it’s an alternate reality they’re constructing.” Dr. Ray Peat.
Ray Peat has also given some very critical interviews on the response to covid-19.
Oh good. I used to be a big fan of Ray’s. I eventually came to disagree with him about certain aspects of diet (he’s a big fan of sugar….and aspirin, for example), but I still have a lot of respect for him, especially his independence. He’s also very detailed and thorough.
French coronavirus strain may be local and may not have come from China — Tests on samples from 97 French and three Algerians infected with Sars-CoV-2 suggest that the virus may have been around in France before the pandemic started. http://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200429-french-coronavirus-strain-may-be-local-and-may-not-have-come-from-china
As Jon Rappaport said some time ago, it’s not the same thing happening in all parts of the world, so it’s highly unlikely to be a pandemic in the way people normally think of pandemics. (The only pandemic is of fear, leading to panic, leading to hysteria).
Not that I think a virus (and certainly not a single virus) is the causative agent in the various illnesses around the world that are going on.
It is very plainly a bio-weapon, a product of tens of billions in ‘research’, particularly into bat viruses, by the world-spanning archipelago of US bio-weapons labs, that the presstitutes never dare to mention.
There should be investigations opened up, trials and those responsible need to be held accountable for this sham and the destroying of millions of lives.
UPMC doctor argues COVID-19 not as deadly as feared, says its hospitals will shift back to normal
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/04/umpc-argues-covid-19-not-as-deadly-as-feared-says-its-hospitals-will-shift-back-to-normal.html
Maxwell, couldn’t agree more but oh how the indoctrination levels are rising. I live near our city townhouse and this week have watched daily as two council employees wearing high viz jackets assiduously scrub an 8ft section of pavement at the entrance to the building with diluted bleach. Once finished they stand there admiring their handiwork before disappearing inside. Such is the insanity of the fear inspired by this government and their little helpers.
I would rail on them for polluting the waterways- where that bleach residue ends up- and thusly our drinking water which then depresses the immune system upon consumption and therefore increases the likelihood of viral contagion. I have no patience for any of this.
You may have seen this already. Bleach sprayed all over Spanish beach.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52471208
Would appear that the announcement of THE FALL OF THE HOUSE OF PONZI is going to wait until after THE LOCKDOWN. None the less the cards have fallen.
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king’s horses and all the king’s men
Couldn’t put Humpty together again.
The longer THIS STUNT continues the harsher the repercussions for the corporate fascist oligarch mobsters are going to be. They are not going to be able to stop peaceful assembly, association, speech and discussion forever. Time for them to admit what they have done, return all they have stolen and account for their actions and crimes.
Alas, the mobsters will never fess up, and will never be held legally accountable. See: “Legal” BAR system, and the back drop of the First Express Trust. http://stopthepirates.blogspot.com/2014/03/history-of-trusts.html
The only way to get back what they have stolen, is to take it back by force…
This is fascism: do we quibble and demur until the actual iron heel tears at bodily flesh? To be fair: this is the mildest outbreak of historical fascism yet. A very Rixian, British Whitehall farcical pastiche of Mosleyan blackshirted ultranationalism. And far from continental fascism: and may it stay that way. But do not be fooled by the milder, more oecumenical nature of our present, globalised, inverted economic totalitarianism. This is 21st century bio-medicalised fascism of the most pernicious kind: the kind we voted for and tacitly consented to all while the welfare blood money was right for our silence. All through the military Keynesian ”Les Trente Glorieuses” of unionised, industrialised, welfarised, ethnocentric exceptionalist expansionism: the Left kept quiet. It was a clamouring silence, to be sure – always wanting an equalised share – but never actually demanding an end to capital accumulation. And while we reluctantly conceded actual colonialism… Read more »
Post-Fascism, as Gaspar Miklos Tamas called it.
BigB: Excellent, as usual. I rather disagree with the singular blame of “Capitalism”. Personal capitalism is fairly easy to contain. Corporate capitalism ruins peoples and Nations… “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor – he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation – he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city –… Read more »
Is this gibberish or am I simply not understanding it?
Big B is a bit to intellectual for many of us, (including me) but give it another go, its enlightening.
This one is clearer than some. He’s still a bit of a show off though,
If you’ve got it, flaunt it.
Not actually gibberish, just uses a lot of esoteric jargon. What BigB says might be spot on but the message is diluted if the language is semi-opaque. Effectively, it’s not so much intellectual as patronising and arrogant.
I usually struggle to understand your writings, but this time i think i get it & yes i agree. As i said earlier to someone, the left always assert their freedom & how they detest capitalism, yet always play the game by capitalist rules! Why ? You just explained it.
In what way do the left “assert their freedom” and what does it mean to “play the game by the capitalist rules”?
I’m guessing your on the left after your stoic defense of socialism so you tell me why you think socialism sets you free. I don’t believe it can in its current form
You complain capitalism is destructive & unfair yet you fight it how? You cant get elected to change the rules so you have no choice but to play them at their game (& lose) because you’re not empowered to do anything else & you don’t understand why capitalism always prevails over socialism.
Socialism = denial.
I never spoke about setting ourselves free – whatever that means. We all live necessarily in a society which cannot exist without mutual co-operation.
We fight capitalism all the time and have to since it would destroy us. It was indeed only opposition to capitalism that granted capitalism a “human face” – which it then laughably attributes to itself all by its own merit, even whilst the capitalist class continue to rip down that very face.
And why on earth do you still believe that elections are any more than showbiz charades?
OK you seem to be drifting into some kind of drug induced parallel universe. Think i’ll leave it there, can’t see this going any where sensible.
Au revoir
Perhaps “Hegelian dialectic” would be a brief summation? Leftist thesis contra rightist antithesis, both shafted by the oligarchic synthesis. And we know who we mean by “oligarchs” don’t we boys and girls?
What is OFF G afraid of??? I make a few statements of fact about a former ambassador and it all goes down the memory hole Not that said ambassador has done anything illegal just acted as a lobbyist for some very nasty people Now if i was a bitter and angry sort of person I’d go and create myself a blog called This isn’t OFF G, and I’d publish all my censored comments,and I’m not talking about the deliberately silly ones,but the more serious ones which happen to challenge your ” narrative ” about Syria,or Putin,or 9/11,MH 17 and the compromised source of much of your alt media world as outlined by Mr Proyectn his blog Somehow this seems to have got to you,you’d actually be screaming if i was censoring you like it,you’d go off and say,’ what rule did this comment break’ or words to that effect,and start… Read more »
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I beg your pardon but loads have gone,but that’s not what bothers me,its your totally one sided view of events,especially about Syria and Putin Ive suggested you do some real journalism about those subjects but you won’t,the question is why? Is Mr knightly positioning himself with RT ? Because one thing is an absolute fact,nobody who does propaganda for the kremlin ever says a bad thing about Russia,do they! Look at Assange,a classic case,or Pilger,he recently made a film about china,i think its called The coming war on China, the pair of them promote this relentless anti American veiw,about how the Americans are creating a surveillance state yet you go to a company called Journeyman about covid but totally ignore the films they’ve also made, Journeyman that is, about china and its totalitarian surveillance state and social credit system So just for the sake of balance why don’t you promote… Read more »
crispy
Kit Knightly and Catte Black are like typical villians from a James Bond film. Ive been saying this for ages. The clue in their names.
Did you see the cat dart over Knightly’s keyboard at the start of the Corbett interview other day? That slight sinister smirk when he was questioned over the massive inflow of new subscriber funds?
The voice of Peter Hitchens on the TV set in the background?
Have you checked out the other shadowy Off G editor?
The two admins. The bad cop, funny cop routine?
…..nope they’re all the typical useful idiots, liked and appreciated for their anti western propaganda, by the kremlin,just like Assange ,poor St Julian of Assange!
Heres a bit of advice though,as i think they’re all a bit wet behind the ears,the Kremlin won’t help once plod and the British state decide to fuck them over
Bellmarsh may become their new home 😜
I’m afraid if you hold the key to the nuke button you have the power, sadly power always goes to peoples heads & corrupts. Censorship is everywhere if they don’t like what you say they will nuke you. Happened to me today after i retaliated to some childish name calling from a fellow comrade.
Censorship isn’t the problem, confirmation bias is though
OFF G can be as outraged as they like,but I’d suggest there’s plenty to be outraged about Assad,Putin, China and the mad mullahs,but for some strange reason the aforementioned seem to be a bit like the invisible man 😜
Instead of trolling this site, do as you say and go off to form your own website. You can call it whatever you want. See how you go on for an audience/following. Then you won’t have to wear your typing finger(s) out blaming Off Guardian and it’s “echo chamber” when your site gets hundreds of thousands of visits a week. Get back to us when you’re up, running and soaring.
Oh i see that’s what its all about, you’re playing the numbers game,yup i get it!
Tony why don’t you ask OFF g why they don’t show Journeyman films about the Chinese surveillance state,they have made them,and they wouldn’t be shown in China me thinks
Who know maybe OFF G will do the right thing,its up to them 😊
crispy, Who is the former ambassador ? What are your few statements of “fact” ? If it is who I think you mean, I would like to point out a few facts, from my perspective. 1. I have been following this man’s blog for over 10 years, and wrote freely on his blog, for the vast majority of those 10 years. 2. I have never met him, nor seen him, but I have come very close to on numerous occasions. 3. He or his moderators, very rarely allow me to comment on his blog. Less than 1 in 10 comments ever appear. The last one was a few weeks ago, when I wrote I may send him some money again. 4. I disagree with most of his political views. 5. His books are totally brilliant. 6. I think he is an honest man of extremely high integrity. 7. I would… Read more »
No I’m not talking about that idiot,faux Scots man,I’m talking about the former ambassador to Syria who’s basically joined in the pro Assad propaganda to save Assad although Murray hasn’t been much better
When one considers his so called humanitarian credentials go AWOL as far as Syrians are concerned,or for that matter those living under a theocratic dictatorship in Iran,or the journalists and activists in Russia who’ve been murdered,jailed or generally harassed
No word for those is there,not a thing really from Murray, to busy talking BS with his mate Assange on kremlin propaganda channel RT International,you know thats the propaganda channel that former KGB officer Putin created,what a fucking joke!
Please spare me your nonsense
Tony
I may be wrong but based on recent comments from @crispy I think he is referring to (the honourable, in the true sense of the word) Peter Ford, former UK Ambassador in Syria, who has maintained and widely publicised, wherever he can, his support for the Assad Government and speaks regularly on the nationwide ‘Media on Trial’ events.
Hahahahahaha 😂😂. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 😅😅😅😅😅😅
Oh, nice one, for fucks sake give me oxygen,i can’t breath for laughing 😜
….did you mean the Assad regime, a regime who’ve imposed punishing neo liberal reforms,which the IMF loved incidentally,and which was part of what Mr Ford was supporting before things went tits up,its called lobbying,nothing illegal about it,although I’d suggest in this case not very honourable either
Tony
You’re going to have do those points again.
Not the ex -ambassador for Uzbekistan who was into belly dancers and whisky.
Mind you, a few of those points still might hold.
Now if i was a bitter and angry sort of person I’d go and create myself a blog called
This isn’t OFF G…
Interesting use of the word if, there, crispy.
Its called sarcasm 😃
News form BigBrotherWatch highlights a judicial review being brought against the regime regarding the CV Act
https://wedlakebell.com/content/uploads/Letter-to-The-Rt-Hon-Matt-Hancock-MP-Secretary-of-State-for-Health-and-Social-Care-30-April-2020.pdf
Thanks, bob. Hooray! Excellent…just what is needed. A really significant step to be welcomed by OffG, Peter Hitchens et al. It covers and supports all the ground opposing the control measures that has been highlighted on this website. I know there is a long way to go in getting the draconian control measures overturned but it is a large leap in the right direction, if only to provide an opportunity to demonstrate legally that there are major flaws and ignominies in the Government’s actions. To summarise (very briefly as it’s a 22 page letter couched in very legalistic terms with multiple cross-references) it is a solicitor’s letter on behalf of a reputable business client (details given in the intro to the letter) seeking that the Government rescind the Coronavirus Regulations or be subject to a judicial review. To see references that will be familiar to many on here I would… Read more »
Corbett on Dr Death
He doesn’t look very healthy to me. I’m older than him, and if I looked like that, I would be worried.
He’s probably transfused the wrong kind of blood. If you want to keep up with the latest on Bill’s friend Jeff Epstein there’s new evidence from Maria Farmer, interviewed by Whitney Webb, describing Les Wexner as “the head of the snake”.
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/interviews/epstein-victim-maria-farmer-speaks-with-whitney-webb-full-phone-call-part-1/
Evil has a deathly pallor.
They’re probably having to renew his MK Ultra programming more and more frequently …
Seemingly he did not get his children be vaccinated… QED about what most vaccines are: why wouldnt he, who must know, otherwise prevent his children from partaking of something beneficial?
http://www.defenddemocracy.press/bill-gates-former-doctor-says-billionaire-refused-to-vaccinate-his-children/
Bet they don’t eat GM foods either
another exceptional UKColumn bulletin this afternoon – go watch it
Why would anyone down vote such a comment?
What the guys from 77th Battalion dont seem to understand is that they will be thrown under the bus when their use has been exhausted
If they don’t die of thrombosis first. Not much of a career for a would-be soldier.
Well… It’s CLEAR that MANY are still in the MORON level, unable to “critical verification“, I call it “Critical Thought”!
Now I’m just talking about the REALITY for my country.
This CAN NEVER be seen as a “pandemic” or anything out of the ordinary FLU SEASON (either with cattle distancing or without – yes, we are being treated like cattle)
We’ve had MANY past years WITH MANY MORE DEATHS due to INFLUENZA and this newly discovered piece of RNA “SARS-CoV-2 can’t even beat those years.
This is the REALITY for my country… No “pandemic” in 2020 comparing to ALL THE PAST YEARS.
To those with weak minds and always living in fear/panic, DO NOT WORRY, the miracle vaccine and/or drug will soon be available for you.
And if anything goes wrong, you can’t sue them!
Thank you to the point well put and I can understand you,which surely is the point of Off Guardian?
An Exaggerated Exchange
Media : Someone has died.
People : Holy fucking shit ! Not another one !
Was it Covid ?
Media : Well, yes! …probably.
People : I will never go out of this house again.
Oh come on! We’re way past that now. The exchange should be:
Did he die?
Media : COVID!
Did they all die in that avalanche?
Media: COVID!
Did they …..
Media: COVID!
Hang on I hadn’t fini….
Media: COVID!
But….
Media: COVID! COVID!COVID!COVID!COVID!………………………….
MASK! MASK! MASK!
CLAP! CLAP CLAP!
This is no exaggeration. I called someone I vaguely know to see how she was doing: she is cowering in a small studio-flat because she knows someone who has died. When asked more details, she recognized this was someone old with health issues. Somehow it seems death is a new discovery: no one ever died before. Mind you, same person some years ago had told me to try and stay immersed in life after my mother’s death, saying that it was normal for the elderly to die…
The enhanced awareness of mortality might be one of the biggest changes in society. Very powerful techniques, meditating on one’s death, living with death on one’s left shoulder, etc.
‘ Mind you, same person some years ago had told me to try and stay immersed in life after my mother’s death, saying that it was normal for the elderly to die…’
Something similar here. When my wife was out of a job, friends said: ‘how nice must it be, to have all the time to spend with the kids!’
And now, they are self-isolating with their kids, and getting mad as hell. So perhaps I should tell them: ‘ how nice must it be, to have all the time to spend with the kids!’
Thing is: it is nice to have all the time to spend with the kids. But that these people who said it it would be so nice, are now having such a ‘hard time’, well that is amazing.
To: Objective (below)… Is This Irony?
“It hasn’t got fuck all to do with capitalism. Don’t obfuscate neo-liberal (megalomaniac rule) as capitalism for your political opportunism. No socialist head of state would have acted any differently. None have, in fact many have gone much further.”
Sorry to have to ask..
…….so, are we saying that an extreme right wing unelected-puppet regime has been forced by elite-banker corruption to introduce pretend policies that are, allegedly, designed to help the neediest and most vulnerable in society???
Is it being implied, “objectively”…. that the UK puppet regime, in reality, cares; or has the intellectual wherewithal to care; or pauses to consider any of the ‘have-nots’? Or those less privileged than themselves?
Thank you.
trust the killers of men
does the cull mass sacrifice for the crop harvests
not refresh you?
a bumper captured year indeed
protect the gates national illness service
stay in
mayday
fools
for summer is a cumin in
beltane passing
new old souls needed
make your date
with the wickerman
Yes. Rituals work, otherwise they wouldn’t be done. KLF.
The first sensible video I have seen from the BBC in an extremely long time. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-52479215/we-ll-starve-to-death-if-this-continues “‘We’ll starve to death if this continues’ Half of the world’s workers could lose their jobs because of this pandemic, the International Labour Organisation has said. That’s 1.6 billion people but who are they? The BBC’s population reporter Stephanie Hegarty heard from people in four countries who used to get by on a daily wage, but whose lives have been torn apart by the lockdown.” We most certainly are not immune in The UK (we import half our food) nor the USA (they are killing and dumping millions of animals, because staff are afraid to go to work to process and distribute meat). The same is happening in India, where over 1 Billion people were fired with 4 hours notice, and have neither food nor money, and the harvest is being left to rot… Read more »
I am glad, Tony, that you’ve been able to prepare yourself in these nasty times when curtain-twitching rats wait for an opportunity to screw other people’s lives up. Good show!
That’s ONE OF THE MAIN GOALS of OPERATION COVID, reduction of the size of the hUman Herd.
Best regards from the SRF & BILLIONAIRES & Jesters.
I’ve been preparing for an event like this for years, have 4 months food supply in the cupboard, 2 months in the freezer & a seasons worth growing in the garden, like you i saw this coming in January.
When it started in march i had no need to stock pile or panic buy or rely on the state, i had already quietly & slowly done all needed to survive the shit storm that’s about to happen. even had a years supply of vit C, D & zinc etc And paracetamol (which is nearly as rare as gold)
I don’t think people appreciate how vulnerable the supply lines are. The system is always at its limit takes very little to brake.
Brilliant. You don’t believe there’s a pandemic, but you prepared for one anyway.
He prepared for the economic collapse
Actually I prepared for Tory policy, most people live from one paycheck to another & can only survive one month if something happens, so no i’m not a prepper in the US sense waiting for the “apocalypse”.
I’m just never going to be reliant on the state again. But the last few years i’ve sensed a real uncertainty for the future of society, civilization, supply lines are much more fragile than most people realize.
You’re very lucky then. Poor people living in cities don’t have such options especially with so many now out of work and awaiting benefit payments. Also the disease is far more real to them than for people living in rural areas where they don’t even know if anyone who’s got it, let alone died from it. Then there’s the added risk for ethnic minorities. This site is sadly ignoring such people.
Quite: there is a pandemic of fear, panic and hysteria.
And if anyone denies that mass hysteria can’t occur, especially in “phlegmatic” countries like the UK, they only need think back to the death of Diana, and the grief-stricken outpourings that went on for weeks.
Er…..I think he’s preparing for the coming economic crash. Do you usually deliberately misinterpret posts?
Could you please give some reference about more than 1 billion fired in India. Thanks.
hope,
I first was aware of it from an interview on Democracy Now, with Indian Author Arundhati Roy a few weeks ago. If you google it, you will probably find it the transcript. I posted some of it, maybe here.
Tony
I think you are very sensible and am trying to grow some food myself. Rather than fear my neighbors I intend to share my garden produce with them as I have always done.
I fear you are right, and we are all going to be going on involuntary diets sooner or later.
I unfortunately heard BBC Radio 4’s “World at One” for some minutes on the car radio. They were covering the anti-continue-lockdown protests in the USA, and of course making it out to be a far-right thing.
I’m sure that the Fort Detrick virus was carefully war-gamed.
The reader is making politics out of science. Just as the people behind this entire fiasco did. There is clear cut scientific evidence that the virus does not exist and has not been isolated and proven to be infectious by stringently applying Koch’s postulates.
The original SARS papers in 2003 show no evidence of doing this. They use a technique called RT-PCR and the stretches of RNA they are amplifying have never been conclusively shown to belong to a new type of virus simply because the virus was never isolated in the first place.
If the virus doesn’t exist then clearly this is a frontal attack on the rights and freedoms of the people of the world. Basta. It’s not about whether capitalism is at the root of all evil. It is fundamentally about truth and how it is arrived at.
Amen.
RT-qPCR resume of the RNA “SARS-CoV-2” LOTTERY!
I stopped after those because wasting time with ALL the kits is pointless.
Enjoy
Too few know about that scientific fraud. Nowadays a simple piece of recently discovered RNA (either endogenous or exogenous) is immediately labelled as “virus”!
Funny and Crazy times…
“rottenness of capitalism”
Tells me all I need to know. Right there.
Well let’s face it – it didn’t need saying.
OffG’s slogan is “Because the facts really should be sacred.” Couldn’t agree more. This alleged pandemic is clearly a Trauma-based Mind Control Psychological Operation and it is also a very clear case of Problem > Reaction > Solution aka Order out of Chaos (Ordo ab chao) https://ethics.wikia.org/wiki/Problem_Reaction_Solution Problem Reaction Solution (Latin: Ordo ab Chao) is a mass mind control system. It is used to make changes to the law that the citizens would not accept otherwise. 1. Create a problem – Terrorism, financial crisis, etc. 2. Manufacture a reaction – Let the mainstream media only broadcast/print the side of the problem you want to show 3. Provide a solution – wars, corporate tax-cuts, welfare budget cuts, etc Philip wrote: Whether or not the pandemic is overstated – and my view is it’s too early to call either way – it shines a torch as never before in my lifetime on… Read more »
I agree with your contention. There are many facets of trauma based mind control that are apparent through out this entire Covid “crisis”- The heavy handed excessive fear mongering media machine pretty much tells us- the powers that shouldn’t be want us afraid. Very afraid. And have succeeded in causing extreme levels of fear in the general population.
Fear breeds irrationality. Fear and Irrationality breeds stupidity. And you have a malleable populace. That’s apparent.
Absolutely, Penny. A point I really wish to make clear is that the Problem in the Problem > Reaction > Solution scenario is completely manufactured. What people always seem to prefer to lean to is that the power elite have taken advantage of a situation to implement greater controls. No! That is not their MO at all. They don’t wait for situations to arise, they engineer them, completely. This pandemic is all completely controlled. The first case, the first death, where it started, where it moved to, the illness and mortality numbers, the doctors pushed out to speak for and against – most doctors speaking up about anomalies in the story will be controlled opposition and while they may speak the truth to a large degree it will never be the whole truth, the whole truth being there is no illness beyond the ordinary. Actually I think Dr Wolfgang Wodarg… Read more »
spot on – and the media are in receipt of regime finance to help them through ‘this difficult time’ using OUR TAXES – there should be no taxation without representation – and we are not being represented
My answer to Mr Roddis, you talk about ” wrong sides” OFF g,has picked the wrong side on just about everything Ukraine Syria 9/11 MH 17 Now this covid thing If you like conspiracy websites OFF g is great,but its just as likely to have a profound negative effect on peoples mental health as the lockdown as its relentlessly negative and dystopian world view isn’t good,it won’t lead to any mass awareness or some sort of revolution by the people,its simple ‘doom porn’ Again I’d ask you at OFF G and you Mr Roddis to come up with some solutions to capitalism,at least try once in your miserable lives to do something positive,if you want change you have to convince people you have a real and workable alternative,an attractive alternative, not endless negative shite So far I’ve never seen anything on this site which even comes close,apart from a bunch… Read more »
Crispy
“it won’t lead to any mass awareness or some sort of revolution by the people”
Well, it looks like the effect of the ‘lockdown’ has reached fever pitch in the US:
https://www.3ccorp.net/2020/05/01/hundreds-of-protesters-many-of-them-armed-enter-michigan-capitol-police-block-doors-to-house-chamber/
The UK is unlikely in the near term to see similar trouble, as the financial incentives to go along prove effective so far.
Needless to say, many of those ‘bought off’ in this way, may no longer have a job to go back to in the long term.
You link straight to a mad ultra conservative pro christian fundamentalist website,well done,i basically rest my case
NEXT!
It’s been many years since I’ve felt this proud of my American people.
Fight the power!
……And thats the problem,right there OFF g this comment about fight the power,yup lets back a bunch of mad gun loving religious fundamentalists from America,but then who cares as OFF g basically backs Iran because in your fetid little minds you probably think its some sort of anti capitalist/ imperialist set up
It’s a concrete example of mad ultra right meets with ultra left,the so called Red – Brown coalition in practice,right there,oh dear,this covid thing really has shown OFF g to be a cesspit of muddled people,plus its obviously created some sort of schism amongst all you so called truth warriors
But who gives a fuck as you’re not gonna publish this anyway 😉
These people come over as complete jackasses. Its laughable were it not so serious. What are they going to do shoot the virus? Listen to what they are saying and write. They hate the poor and don’t want to give them any money. They think the weak should starve.
If I had a conspiracy theory I would wonder if they weren’t acting for establishment Democrats to undermine Trump.
….but don’t you understand,they’re part of the revolution man,up the people !
“The UK is unlikely in the near term to see similar trouble,”……Yes that’s the supine mask wearing, TV watching, ignorant, fearful, NHS worshiping, brain dead amongst us who hang on every syllable this bunch of fraudulent political liars utter.
Crispy, what are you worried about, this is only one blog that disagrees with your world view, the whole of the MSM is there for you…
LOL.
I have asked numerous commentators BTL for an example of a successful socialist party one can vote for, i’m still waiting, luckily i cant go anywhere because i’ve had my exercise period for today, so i’ve got the time to waste in socialist lockup.
Oh dear,whats the fucking point!
Not one person yet addressed my point about solutions,NOT FUCKING ONE
Typical sarcasm, and ad hom childish comments,going out of the way not to answer
You’re expecting solutions from socialists? You think you had it rough? I’ve tried to have several adult discussions from confirmed ideological socialists all afternoon, as soon as they run out of reasoned rebuttal they just start getting offensive & infantile.
Pfft indeed whats the point, i want them to sell me socialism but they are incapable.
I will take a look again and see what I can come up with (at home and got the time)
Socialism = stick
Capitalism= carrot
There,simple,oh plus a big fucking pile of dead bodies just to prove the point 😢
I suppose the Chinese,you know Chinese communist,type of lock up is preferable
No you’d probably find that a tad more restrictive than the UK version,assuming you live in the uk?
Well if it’s so obvious, then why do you regard it as mere ‘conspiracy theory’?
My mental health is great.
I don’t think going onto websites I don’t agree with and constantly berating the content and the people here would be good for mental health and definitely would not put me in a position to know what’s good for me and most definitely no one else.
the online magazine, Psychology Today has good articles on conspiracy theories and mental health
Wow, how fucking quick was that?
Did it hit a raw nerve Admin ?
Just asking
Who coined the term conspiracy theory?
What was the agenda behind it?
Oh yeah independent critical thinking will be needed
….oh i don’t know who did coin the term?
I don’t know!
I give up,maybe it was Father Christmas,he found it in a fucking Christmas cracker! 🎆🎄🎇
i don’t know why people are so hard on you i find you very entertaining.
He must have been offered overtime this weekend …
So do i 😜
i.e. who state the truth
You mean the truth of the Soviet system?
Or perhaps Venezuela?
Or perhaps Iran?
Or perhaps Vietnam, oh sorry forgot, officially communist,who want uber capitalist America to be their biggest inward investors?
Its a strange world isn’t it,you know when Iran,which I’m told is a socialist country gets in the good books of the IMF for imposing neoliberalism, so did the Assad regime they got a glowing report card from the IMF in 2010,????
Sorry but i think you need to be a bit more specific,oh, i see you mean the many apologist who’ve done propaganda for those countries and their respective ” socialism ” over the years
Or are they allowed to answer OFF g Admin?,or do you want to abuse you’re readers as well as myself? with your continued censorship
Over to you my friends
I mean YOUR truth, crispy. It was YOU that said “the fucking obvious”. And I assume that “the fucking obvious” has to be the truth.
No i mean the fucking official reports from the IMF You know that dreaded international organisation which gets countries to implement neo liberalism,which Iran went off to for loans very recently just so they can privatise more stuff and make people even more impoverished in Iran,but no,you’ll probably think its sanctions,when in actuall fact the mullahs are rolling in billions Thats the IMF who complemented Assad for those wonderful structural reforms in 2010 although by the following year it all went tits up! I know,i know, its all a CIA plot,well it isn’t, its a useless government robbing its own people,then pushing them out of the country,Syria So that all those refugees are now our collective responsibility,we’ll have to pay for them,they won’t go back as the regime has basically stolen their property,but no one ever talks about that little factiod do they? Germany took half a million no wonder… Read more »
Well you never said “the fucking official reports from the IMF”. You just said “the fucking obvious” and since this entire thread is about COVID, I assume that’s what you meant. But if you want to go off into rhapsodic warbles about the first thing you think of then go on.
….funny i thought this article was an attempt by Roddis to circle the wagons,against going off reservation with a hint of whataboutism thrown in just to cover all bases
I’ve gone off reservation,if you hadn’t noticed!
Oh I noticed!
@Cripsy. Yep, more antagonism. The point has been made, you don’t agree with Off-g’s editorial line. Now let’s have some constructive fact-based, logical discussion out of you, with the occasional rye comment or mild jibe to spice things up. Enough of the endless, obnoxious exhibitionism. Dull, dull, dull. Thread closed.
here’s another interesting perspective:
“They” think that you’re so medicated, flouridated and distracted with meaningless entertainment that you can’t connect the dots?!. … In this outtake, a former Colonel of the Russian Military Intelligence service states that the current Coronavirus pandemic (or lack of?) is serving 4 main purposes:
1) Depopulation initiative
2) Political control over the remaining population
3) Deflation of the current financial bubble
4) Liquidation of geo-economic competitors
Thoughts??
One thing that really bothers me in this case is this: why is Russia playing along with this scam?
Yeah, I can’t work that one out either. I have Russian friends who tell me I’m daft for thinking Putin would go along with Bill Gates’s agenda.
To be readmitted in the Western camp? Putin did repeat again this winter that Europe should extend until Vladivostok… Thats been the dream of Russia ever since Peter the Great. According to Rousseau, he set about “to make Germans and Englishmen” of his subjects when, ” he should have made Russians.” Therefore he “prevented his subjects from ever becoming what they could have been by persuading them that they were something they are not”. Since then they repeatedly have wished to be part of the Western club, and have been repeatedly turned away or only allowed in on a lower footing, and thus they then for a while regain a national pride… So it goes on over and over again. I did think after the millions who had died of hunger in the 90s and the humiliating situation they had been brought down to, this would end. But no… Had… Read more »
bob,
Brilliant analysis. One of the best I’ve seen. The Saker should watch this. He is capabable of changing his mind. I was very impressed when he finally “got” 9/11, and even though I disagree with his views on COVID, he is allowing articles and comments from an opposite perspective. Bernhard of the Moon of Alabama, is now also experiencing some strong resistance from some of his commentators, that I hadn’t seen before, possibly because he may not currently be able to delete them, as he is having a few problems with his interface to his blog.
Tony
Bob, Professor Antony C Sutton wrote many books outling how the transnational finance oligarchs have corrupted plus manipulated national governments, state institutions plus academia to do their bidding. In fact Professor Carol Quigley wrote a book called Tradegy and Hope which outlined precisely what the Tramsmational financiers goals are . Moreover, this strategy has been in place for a long time since before WW1 so many of the points the Colonel raised are confirmed by what both these well credited professors have stated. This Corona 19 is just the latest in a long line of events to achieve their aims.
Happy Mayday to you all…
Interesting things afoot in the US on May 1st…
(1) Today is cov-19 Protest Day (We shall see how that goes…)
(2) 2 states (that I know of) have filed lawsuits against their governors for unconstitutional executive orders (lockdowns)… In Illinois, an EO can only last 30 days, so the lockdown extension has been challenged, and an injunction has been issued (and an appeal filed)… In California, the “threat” of something is inadequate for filing an EO, there must be “proof”, and since there remains no chemical proof of the existence of the virus cov-19, that state’s lockdown has been legally challenged…
(3) Beginning today, I am required by my state to wear a mask when out in public (ain’t gonna happen!)…
(4) And finally, the mother of all lawsuits may be just around the corner:
https://www.invertedalchemy.com/
Good stuff…
SteveEss “I am required by my state to wear a mask when out in public” It looks like a health and safety issue is a point to make if challenged – these masks were never made for long-term use. With credit to the following blogger, he believes face masks do more harm than good (we weren’t meant to have our breathing constantly restricted): https://lockdownliability.blogspot.com Quote: “1) A face mask in no way protects you against any virus free floating in the air. To be fully protected from floating viruses one needs a full biohazard containment suit with a mask filter capable of filtering virus size particles. The entire contact area between the face and the mask MUST be sealed….so any form of face mask home-made, surgical, industrial etc., to protect against airborne viruses is ILLOGICAL. No mask will protect you when an infected person sneezes at close quarters unless you… Read more »
Except the virus isn’t ‘free-floating in the air, it’s carried in water vapour droplets and quickly falls to the floor. (Irony alert) I suggest people scrub their shoes with bleach after their exercise period, or wear gloves over their shoes.
Brew, thanks for the additional ‘ammo’… To add to your 5 reasons, I add Dr. Judith Mikovits, who maintains wearing a mask is unhealthy due to: (1) breathing in one’s exhaled CO2 over a period of time can lead to delayed response time, and (2) the act of just wearing a mask can be stressful to some, weakening one’s immune system… One good turn deserves another, Brew, so here you go… How to Legally Decline a Mandated Vaccination: (1) do not ‘refuse’ a vaccine or you will be considered belligerent. Instead… (2) ask the doctor if the vaccine has MRC-5 in it (They all do. These are aborted fetal cells and other DNA). If it does, you have the right to decline… (3) also ask if there is a possibility of a ‘latrogenic reaction’ (an adverse reaction caused by multiple compounds or drugs interacting with each other) from the vaccine… Read more »
Thank you Steve. Very useful information to have in these challenging times. Good luck!
Hilarious! I can just see all those hordes of facially scarred east Asians after their USUAL practise of wearing masks during winter months.
If you live in Harris County, you can wear a banana instead: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/05/02/latest-news-18/#comment-1957