This (locked down) VE Day…
Ian J
Today will mark 75 years since Victory in Europe (VE) Day – when after six years of devastating conflict, which killed an estimated 70–85 million worldwide and 384,000 soldiers and 70.000 civilians in the UK alone, allied forces finally declared victory over the forces of Nazi Germany.
Yet this will be a commemoration unlike any other in the history or the UK.
Street parties are planned and bunting will deck houses and lampposts, but there will be no trestle tables to sit around, no mingling or dancing with friends and neighbours and no concerts or gatherings in town squares or on village greens. This will be a celebration under lockdown.
Participants will celebrate from the distance of their own driveways, balconies or windows. Neighbours will consume their own food and drinks on their own property and listen to music from a distance – observing the ongoing rules of ‘social distancing’ due to the coronavirus outbreak, which has overtaken all other considerations in the fields of medical, economic and social policy.
For this reason there is a profound dissonance between the manner in which this historical event will be celebrated and the deeper meaning of the event itself.
VE day celebrated the overthrow of tyranny, at the cost if great suffering and loss, and the hope that this sacrifice would lead to a better world and the building of a ‘Post War Dream’ or a ‘Nation Fit for Heroes’, where freedom, equity and the Rule of Law would be the defining values of the nation.
What then would those who fought and died for these values think of us now?
What would they think of a society that, in the face of a public health issue which presents a questionable threat to society at large, accepts the quarantine of the healthy and passing of draconian legislation restricting movement and costing the jobs and freedom of millions of citizens?
And what what would they think of the attempts to silence those who question the scientific justification and efficacy of these measures?
I freely admit that I have always been suspicious of the celebration of military victories and of exhortations to ‘Support Our Troops’ in current conflicts. These commemorations always seem to be instrumentalised in an attempt at creating a false unity and to overlook the reasons for the conflict, just as calls to ‘Support Our Troops’ are always essentially a call to ‘Support Our Policy’ – however illegal and unethical it might be.
At this time would it not be better to commemorate the sacrifice of those who died fighting fascism and totalitarianism, by engaging in an ongoing struggle to uphold the values that they fought for?
Rather than engaging in celebrations under enforced conditions of physical separation, would it not be better to ensure that fascism and totalitarianism are not permitted to return here and now?
This alone would be a fitting tribute to the fallen and would honour their struggle in a way that no amount of bunting and forced jollity ever could, especially under such bizarre conditions as those that currently exist.
So raise a glass and toast your neighbours from a distance if you must, but it would be better to raise your hands and voices and ask whether the future that some seem to have planned for us is what the fallen of WWII died for.
Then maybe we can achieve a victory for the world and for the millions who suffer from the policies of those who are now claiming to care about the value of human life in relation to a single virus, but show no evidence of valuing it in any other context.
Ian J is an independent researcher and former organiser of the Merthyr Rising Festival
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We really needed Orwell to write a sequel to “1984”, letting us know just how long the Big Brother state survived, and what was its ultimate fate… Cutting to the present time, I’m in favour of not giving Big Brother a chance to find out what he can get away with. He’s already got away too much.
Hello friend, not poss for Orwell to write an update but Huxley did, called BNW Revisited, in 1958 i think? Gobsmacked it isn’t used as Huxley’s seminal work, cos it shows how disgusted he became with what was happening, he spoke pure truth about the dangers facing us.
The iffy part of BNW Revisited, is his Edwardian view of increasing population posing a danger. There is no doubt we cld support at least twice the current pop, if things were fair/humanist distribution.
Hi Cesca. I’m not so sure about “twice the current pop”, since it isn’t just a question of fair distribution (which is of course very necessary), but of what the Earth itself can go on producing and creating. I think of it in the same way as I think of “The Perpetual Machine”, something which just doesn’t exist. Quite apart from the question of distribution, Earth’s resources have been mercilessly plundered and disastrously meddled with for quite a while now, and not all of those resources are renewable – not to mention the life forms which have already become extinct – not naturally, but because of corporate greed. I think Huxley wasn’t entirely wrong about the dangers of population, but one can get labelled as a eugenicist for saying so… For me, it’s just something for individuals to have in mind when they plan their families. I would agree that… Read more »
Indeed, we did celebrate the overthrow of tyranny, but it’s been a VERY long time since we overthrew tyranny within our own borders… We’re pretty rusty.
Why do we still celebrate 1945?
It wasn’t fought against tyranny.
It was a war to preserve the largest empire the world had ever seen, 14 million square miles, and all the rapacious exploitation and brutal oppression that went with it.
If you really think it was a war against tyranny, go and tell that to the Irish.
Or the Indians.
Or the Iraqis.
Or the Palestinians.
Should be good for a few belly laughs.
Hitler was a rank amateur in the tyranny stakes.
Strictly second division stuff.
All he wanted was a few hundred thousand square miles in Poland and Russia.
How pathetic is that?
Keep Calm And Blame China.
God Save The Queen.
ANOTHER KIND OF DISEASE I was skimming through WSWS in hopes of finding an interesting thread not devoted to COVID-19 hysteria. There appeared to be one entitled: “Seventy-five years since the end of World War II in Europe.” The article started off jam-packed with compelling facts: “The Second World War was the most brutal and bloody conflict in human history. The crimes and cruelties that were perpetrated surpassed anything that humanity could have imagined in its worst nightmares. Around 70 million people were killed, two thirds of whom were civilians: unarmed men, women and children. This was not collateral damage. The extermination of large sections of the population was the explicit goal declared by the Nazis’ war of annihilation, which reached its bloody culmination in the murder of 6 million Jews. The Allies increasingly adapted their methods to those of their enemy. For the first time in modern warfare, both… Read more »
Great response. Are you aware that a flu during 1968-69 killed 100000 plus Americans more than any other viral outbreak other than the 1919 Spanish flu in America including this years version ? Since we were preoccupied assassinating our leaders , defusing a social revolution, while mired in Vietnam our elites/leaders chose not to notice that pandemic which petered out after 1969 when herd immunity took hold ?
Another moment in time many don’t remember is the forced vaccinations during Ford’s administration: “President Gerald Ford’s administration embarked on a zealous campaign to vaccinate every American with brisk efficiency. President Ford announced in a press conference the government’s plan to vaccinate every man, woman, and child in the United States. Emergency legislation for the “National Swine Flu Immunization Program” was signed shortly thereafter on April 15th, 1976 and six months later high profile photos of celebrities and political figures receiving the flu jab appeared in the media. Even President Ford himself was photographed in his office receiving his shot from the White House doctor. Within 10 months, nearly 25% of the US population, or 45 million citizens, was vaccinated, but serious problems persisted throughout the process. Due to the urgency of creating new immunizations for a novel virus, the government used an attenuated “live virus” for the vaccine instead… Read more »
“Singapore unveiled a four-legged canine-like robot on Friday to remind park-goers to maintain social distancing.” This may, at first, seem funny but I see it a frightening. Autonomous programmed robots in charge. And this is just the first one, later they will be armed for sure. “The robot, named “Spot,” could be seen patrolling Bishan-Ang Mo Kio Park on Friday afternoon as part of a two week trial-run held by the National Parks Board and the Smart Nation and Digital Government Group, according to an official press release from National Parks. Spot, who was developed by Boston Dynamics, is being deployed to “reduce the manpower required for park patrols and minimize contact among staff”. Spot is equipped with cameras and censors to help it estimate the number of visitors at the park, and occasionally makes announcements via a speaker reminding people to “stand at least one metre apart”. For now,… Read more »
Just make a note of the developers’ names. Then we can hold them to account when this gets out of hand…
hmm that is metalhead of black mirror ilk indeed. Just like covid app is like nosedive.
Just re-watched ‘Jerry Building’ (available on ThemTube). Jonathan Meade’s monologue assumes a lot, and is the lesser for it. The Third Reich had some pretty weird and unsavoury things going on, but what in this world can be considered ‘normal’ ? E.g. Meade’s recognition of Nazism as a contorted pagan(ish) cult -rather than a political movement in any conventional sense, somewhat ignores the centrality of magikal fraternities to Western Liberal traditions. If the Nazis went to the trouble of banning Freemasonry, is it not worth questioning what is the role of that movement in European society, and comparing some of their more colourful beliefs alongside those of the Nazi Reich? One could point to the Talmud or even the Old Testament and ask, is that normal human morality ? The Nazis tried to build a society free of usury, which itself is a kind of ubiquitous fraud of unimaginable proportions,… Read more »
My point being-
Is the enthusiastic self destruction of our society due to the absurdly exaggerated threat of a relatively harmless virus any more ‘weird’ than the twelve years of alleged German mass hysteria which ended in 1945?
All very Harry Potter, that Nazi symbolism. The BBC should re-run Jonathan Meades’ Jerry Building except that I guess it has has no interest in undermining the current hysterical project.
What is *normal* ‘human’ morality? The thing is: we have absolutely no idea. Morality is derived from pure reason: which is universally valid and essentially eternally true. And thus purely objective, transcendental and noumenal. And thus suprasensible: beyond the taint of biology. Except for the few – the morally superior – who have special privileged access to the totally made-up bullshit singularity of universal law and truth. It is not hard to see how the Fuhrerprinzip and ”thoughtless” allegiance to authority can be derived by stupid men from Kantian moral imperativism. And how they can take the idea of nurture and care of the weak, by the strong, and the moral duty to educate them to be more like the model human beings they are. Except they were not thoughtless: they did not display blind obedience, and they certainly weren’t stupid. They were ‘normal’ as Arendt made clear …(and she… Read more »
I’ve grown very weary of the constant media driven and ignorant depictions of Ashkenazi, Germany. (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ashkenazi)
A scant few historians have separated the bullshit from the facts, and found a completely different realization concerning the WWII slaughter house called Europe. As usual, most civilians swallow the Kool-Aid to enjoy the sweet tacky nonsense of non-historical swill.
RE: Adolf Hitler: “The Greatest Story Never Told” (approximately 6 hours duration) is a very striking documentary, indeed. Of course it’s been censored and reposted on the internet about a hundred times…
My sadness is that this day has been hijacked by those pushing the lockdown. And while I respect the veterans and people who lived in the war, it seems every year there’s one commemoration day after another.
I share the authors sentiments too. I note below theres some comments about WW11 – Russia’s role and doubts on what WW2 achieved.
For me, the best celebration of war would be people to start thinking for a minute about current wars we are promoting all over the world.
WW1 was truly pointless – and we should drop commemeration. WW2 I still think there was a point – an enemy that had to be defeated. But accept some of the points made in the comments and yes this constant obsession with the military past and present a symptom of country in terminal decline.
Part of the premise of this piece is that we should celebrate VE Day as a victory over fascism and totalitatrianism: for the fallen. Well: every war in history was fought for the honour and the glory of the previously Fallen. Dulce et decorum est. Pro patria mori The sweet honour and anthem of a doomed youth: from Horace to today. The Germans were fighting for their version of the Geist: and only theirs was totalitarian? Will we never learn? VE day celebrated the overthrow of tyranny, at the cost if great suffering and loss, and the hope that this sacrifice would lead to a better world and the building of a ‘Post War Dream’ or a ‘Nation Fit for Heroes’, where freedom, equity and the Rule of Law would be the defining values of the nation. Except it wasn’t. How do I know? Because I just spent the afternoon… Read more »
Ireland had 800 years of a British boot stomping on their face.
Rape pillage and murder was their motto.
And they did so with delight and want.
I’m part Irish: part Scottish …born in Scotland and raised from my teens in England. As a Catholic. By the time I was 16 I was done with other peoples bullshit histories. I thank my lucky stars I never got a history as such. Like Joyce: its something I have been trying to wake up from ever since.
I’m a bit conflicted when it comes to Six Nations time though!
In the 12 years from 1641-52, the population of Ireland fell from 1.5 million to 600,000.
500,000 were butchered in a series of wars.
Another 400,000 were enslaved, chained up and branded and freighted off on slave ships to be sold on the auction block to the plantations of the West Indies and American colonies.
They were sold for £5 a time.
The far smaller number of African slaves went for £50.
Slave owners bred cheap Irish women slaves with expensive male African slaves.
This is verified where? Never heard these specific details before.
You’ve never heard these details before.
Wot a surprise.
Have you ever heard of the 10 million butchered in the Belgian Congo from 1890-1910?
Or the 100 million butchered native Americans?
Or the millions in the Bengal famine?
Or the exterminated aborigines, hunted and shot like rabbits?
No? Thought not.
Do you expect to learn of them from the MSM?
Get up off your arse and take the trouble to find out for yourself about the Great British Empire.
Makes Old Adolf look like a rank amateur.
Yes I did ya fucking eejit
Churchill presided over the Great Bengal Famine which took several million lives, and actively worked to make it worse, in the name of the war effort. Perhaps he killed more in that way than the Nazis in the camps and the Einsatzgruppen. And how many Germans died needlessly after the surrender?
Surprisingly The Guardian at least finds some Army families – genuine rather than staged acts of remembrance. The Telegraph can only muster an observation that feels somewhat devalued: Nation Claps to remember end of WW2 in Europe.
The Daily Telegraph had an image of an oldish couple in 1940s dress doing a knees up. Who are these people supposed to be? My father was born in 1939 and would have been 80.
Do hipsters dress up as 100 year-olds and dance in the street? Do people use VE day as an opportunity for poseurs, when a moment of quiet reflection would go far beyond what most people do anyway.
No, it’s just British War Propaganda, 2020 style.
Fuck off what the Brits did this us Irish was evil.
And?
What? They removed your ability to write coherent sentences?
Call it ancestral traumatised shock that attacks the verbals from time to time..
The Brits in Ireland made the Nazi’s look like the Walton’s.
It is coherent even if not grammatically correct.
Ye Brits crying about a lockdown when my ancestors had their homes burnt to the ground because they would not speak the Queens English!
Fuck off pansies
Err, two wrongs …, a right …, Arse ?
What delusional logic is that?
You shouldn’t feel anything special.
They did it to everybody else as well.
Sorry for the remark about the spelling mistake
Yes 75 years since governments gave people permission to stop killing each other. The governments had made it compulsory for people to kill each other just a short six years earlier. This action was so that people would not get killed. It was a great success. As a result just 75 million died. Just think how many might have died if this wise action had not been taken. My late mother was a small quite women. She raised five children and never complained. I do not think she would have harmed any one. But during world war two my mother worked in an underground factory helping to make bombs. My late father was also short he had been a coal miner but joined the Royal Air Force where he became an aircraft engineer working on the engines of the aircraft. Be they fighters or bombers. To help deliver the bombs… Read more »
Brian Sides,
Thanks for posting that. Charlie Chaplin was always one of my heroes, cos I have always had a big interest in film.
I saw that film, for the first time about 10 years ago
I was not used to hear him speaking. It is completely AWESOME.
Also check out Paolo Nutini from Scotland – he nicks a bit out of it completely Brilliantly.
“”Iron Sky” by Paolo Nutini – Featuring (Film) of Charlie Chaplin”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6BtO9wSJuY
Tony
When we look into a mirror we think the image that confronts us is accurate. But move a millimetre and the image changes. We are actually looking at a never-ending range of reflections. But sometimes a writer has to smash the mirror – for it is on the other side of that mirror that the truth stares at us.
I believe that despite the enormous odds which exist, unflinching, unswerving, fierce intellectual determination, as citizens, to define the real truth of our lives and our societies is a crucial obligation which devolves upon us all. It is in fact mandatory.
If such a determination is not embodied in our political vision we have no hope of restoring what is so nearly lost to us – the dignity of man.
– – Harold Pinter
https://off-guardian.org/2018/01/24/harold-pinter-in-2005-nobel-address-the-us-is-brutal-indifferent-scornful-and-ruthless/
Anyone here who’s really interested in celebrating VE Day will have to go to Belarus:
As Carlin said, the Germans lost the war but fascism won the war. Having been “educated” by the mindfuck factories we like to call public schools here in the states, and bombarded from birth by the brainwashing waves emanating from the TV and Silver Screen, most Americans haven’t the slightest clue that the Nazis were not quite the enemy of the US ruling class as they were made out to be, nor was the military the heroic and liberating force fighting for freedom – not then and certainly not now. Hitler was both inspired ideologically and practically by Yankee genocide, racial segregation, and their pioneering eugenics movement and also the Nazi death machine was funded and armed in large part by US financing, technology, and industry. From major Wall St. firms funneling money through the BIS, to IBM infamously providing the indentification system at the concentration camps, to Ford and… Read more »
It was only the presence of the Soviet Union that, not only by providing direct material aid to anti imperialist countries, but also the ideological example to the oppressed peoples of the Earth everywhere, including in Europe and the US, that forced western, capitalist governments to provide democratic rights and robust social programs and safety nets Didn’t the Soviet Union enforce a tyrannical system upon not just Russia, but the countries of Eastern Europe and Central Asia too? Was that not ‘an empire’ run from Moscow? Didn’t they create an anti-human surveillance system only surpassed recently in the US and the UK? Didn’t they enforce a huge system of political prisons (gulags), killing and enslaving millions just for their political views? Didn’t they engineer a mass famine in Ukraine? Didn’t they impose bans and heavy restrictions on ordinary people’s right to religious expression? Didn’t they brainwash their population with mass… Read more »
Congrats, you memorized the list of all the bogus accusations and propaganda about the Soviet Union. Do you also believe everything they’re saying about China and it’s Uighur concentration camps? What about Assads chemical weapons attacks? Or Saddams WMDs? Maduros illicit drug trafficking operation? Gaddafis mass rapes? Irans state sponsored terrorism? North Korean death camps?
They lie. They lie about everything all the time. They lie about every country and government and leader they can’t control and target for destabilization and regime change. And they tell the most and the biggest lies about who they deem to be the greatest threats and never was there a greater threat to the capitalist system that the USSR. Now it’s China. But they still lie endlessly about Russia, too. Russiagate, Ukraine, Syria, Skripals, etc.
(1) Who are ‘they’? You seem to imply that only the powers of Western Europe and the USA lie about things. Is that right ? Why would you think that ? (2) Do you also believe everything they’re saying about China and it’s Uighur concentration camps? What about Assads chemical weapons attacks? Or Saddams WMDs? Maduros illicit drug trafficking operation? Gaddafis mass rapes? Irans state sponsored terrorism? North Korean death camps? Assad’s weapons attacks, no; Saddam’s WMDs, of course not; Maduro’s drug allegations, no; Gaddafis viagra rape, no; Irans aggression, no; the other two, haven’t read anything convincing. So why are you trying to falsely associate these controversies with anyone’s opinions about the USSR ? It is a logical fallacy to say : A lies about X, A said something about Y, therefore Y is a lie. If any of what is listed above about the USSR is historically wrong… Read more »
Covid has finally come out as being a neo-liberal, neocon pro-US Empire, virus and will be voting trump at the next election. It has helped the US corporate sector gain $6 trillion in loans and gifts from the American people, with more to come. It has helped the US demonstrate its reach and control over it’s Anglo-sphere nations, and like with Brexit has demanded them to drive their economies into the ground, in preparations for take overs and buy outs by US corporations flush with worthless green pieces of paper. The last asset grab using the dollar, before it’s total collapse, has begun. It has helped to further torture and starve the people of Venezuela and Iran with the aim of control over the oil of the middle east and south America. Covid’s actions have also made the alt-right in the US and around world the heroes of the crisis… Read more »
I am pleased to report that I think we are about to see that Nature in one of its less subtle manifestations is about to overpower the King Canutism embodied by Boris Johnson that has led him to believe that a virus can be locked down and defeated as if it were a visible enemy on a battlefield that could be killed with bullets or bombs. Or moreover, that the public can be locked down for very long without grave consequences, due to this underlying and irresistible “power of Nature” that when it so pleases, washes away even all human life by earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, or even in theory asteroids or comets which could wipe out all life on a global scale. And the greatest irony of all, is I think that it is from the ones most enthusiastic and arguably causative of the lockdown – the BBC and Guardian… Read more »
I was so shocked to see the Beeb asking sceptical questions (at last!) that I watched the section twice, just to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating. Hopefully it’s a start.
Perhaps the change at the BBC relates to the reports of just how unbelievably devastating this policy is now and will be for the unforeseeable future. As an example, in my neck of the woods, while Californians have received word from our Dear Leader, Gavin the Realtor, that we may now drive up to shops while they load purchases from online into our cars, Dear Gavin was informed that the state basically has to fill a 52 billion dollar (and growing) budget gap. Not to worry, we can balance the budget if we close all primary, secondary, and 2-year community colleges for the foreseeable future. Or Dear Leader can go to the Bad Orange Man, hat in hand, and ask for help. No strings attached, of course. The projected $54.3 billion deficit is almost as much as the $57.1 billion California spent on K-12 schools and community colleges last year.… Read more »
Thanks for the reply Ted. As to your specific point about the motivation of the BBC, I only wish that as you suggest, they had the foresight to see this lockdown was likely to cause far more problems, both of economic and social kind. But frankly, as I said, my suspicion is that this “change of direction” (and let’s hope it continues) is being driven by the fact too many of those working at these news mainly “PC” organisations like the Guardian and BBC, are going crazy about how this lockdown is affecting their social and sex lives – you have to appreciate that these are generally very touchy-feely people, hug-a-maniacs in many cases, even if it’s not about “full on” sex acts. Because quite frankly the general problem in our government and media is lack of vision, so that they keep doing things like holding referendums or doing lockdowns… Read more »
Johnson ( and the rest) is definitely finished.
No coming back from this.
Assuming they revert to democratic elections. I don’t believe they can for the reason you mention.
I found this an interesting watch – Dr Vandana Shiva
https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/487626-coronavirus-war-treating-shiva/
a point of interest is that she calls big pharma – the Poison Cartel – nice
we don’t need any churchillian crap from Boris – we want an end to lockdown – note that former chancellor Javid states that the lockdown once open, should happen immediately, with no fuss
Then Javid gets my vote!
Great Street Party in Our Road NOT. Despite everything that was said on Our Street’s whatsapp group, not a peep / sound / whisper or any sound of life from any of them. My wife went out to check, and do did I. No one has even come outside their front door, so far as we can tell. The only sounds coming from our road, are coming from our back garden, and we have no music on. I am not saying what is going on, and certainly not taking any photographs. In fact, I am still worrying that the gestapo might come round. Sod ’em. They are not joining in my wife and my pool party. We did put our clothes on to go outside our house to check if anyone else was still alive. It seems not. They are all braindead. Good to top up our Vitamin D today.… Read more »
hey Tony
i’ve been fascinated by your plans for this party – it maybe that your local folk are still transforming into zombies and may not quite be ready for the party – nevermind – don’t let them get to you
In the Descent of Ishtar, the goddess Ishtar threatens:
If you do not open the gate for me to come in,
I shall smash the door and shatter the bolt,
I shall smash the doorpost and overturn the doors,
I shall raise up the dead and they shall eat the living:
And the dead shall outnumber the living!
sounds like one of Ferguson’s virus models ….enjoy the pool :0)
LOL
I don’t by the Covid hype so yesterday I had some friends visiting. Beer at my place, then pizza and beer at a local parlour, then more beer at my place. Absolutely no distancing etc b…shit but business as usual, a great evening not lacking anything, today’s hangover a small price to pay. Happy VE Day!
Nice work. Next time invite me too!
The Plandemic video really has put a bee in the Establishment’s bonnet:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52588682
The article is by Marianna Spring, ‘specialist disinformation reporter’. I thought all BBC journalists were specialist disinformation reporters?
Anyone got a copy of it? Why aren’t the social media scum companies taking down all the bullshit the government oozes out?
A number of channels on Bitchute have it. Just search for ” Plandemic” there.
Brighteon.
https://www.brighteon.com
There is also an interview with Dr Mikovits on LondonReal.tv, with Brian Rose.
I watched that this morning. I agreed with 99% of it, but had a slight quibble with some of the fine detail, but I wouldn’t worry about that, it’s the best video on the subject I have seen yet. She is completely Brilliant. She reminds me of the girl who wrote the best book I
have ever read – Susan Lindauer – Extreme Prejudice.
Such courage is awesome, and most of it is coming from the women.
Us men ain’t got the balls.
Her name is Judy Mikovits
“Plandemic Documentary: The Hidden Agenda Behind Covid-19”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/IB3ijQuLkkUr/
Tony
Controlled opposition.
I hope that admin won’t mind my posting this again here.
It is my contention, and the contention of many whose knowledge of the Second World War is much greater than mine, that the war was won on the Eastern Front in Russia.
There is a very good documentary which summarises the sacrifice made by the Russian people in the war and which was made in 1973 for British television as part of their “The World At War” series.
It is a very well made and moving documentary. It includes interviews with people who now must be long dead.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3p7bw7
I also posted this as an off topic piece “Russia in World Ward Two” on Mr Murray’s message board on 31st August 2019. Those who visit his board should be able to find it if they wish.
So much for ‘I won’t mention Murray’ again.
And “The World At War” series was just shallow propaganda.
Regarding “victors” as celebrants:
The world has become one of dreadful actors
Of sloshing boots on that bloodied stage
The ardent menace perceived no more
In the echoed cage of zombies marching
– Paul Vonharnish –
5/22/2014
We know how much VE means to the elite, we must be the only country in the EU who doesn’t think it merits a public holiday, so they brought May Day holiday forward, I just can’t imagine who the hell voted for these shower human excrement, not that the ‘Labour’party offers any hope now ‘SIR’ Starmer is in charge, why he couldn’t have joined the Lib Dems or Tories I don’t know, there’s two parties already for him
Don’t forget the May Day holiday was originally introduced here from Europe. The UK bank holiday has always been the last Monday in May.
I think it was always the first of May and I think it was Major who made it a bank holiday 1978 , and then nobody bothered marching and it was then held on the first Monday in May
I remember it being introduced – we always had a CAMRA get-together. It stems from the old pagan May-day festival, as in Maypoles etc. The marches were for Whitsuntide, so a moveable event. I haven’t seen a Whit walk since I was a child in the 60s.
Every may day there was always marches in all the major cities, but as I commented previously they were stopped the minute it became a holiday, perhaps that was the reason in making it a holiday
I’m not from a major city. Didn’t realise they were stopped. Saddleworth still do (did before lockdown) the Whit walks. Brass bands and lots of people.
Beltane. A quarter day, i.e. half way between the vernal equinox and the summer solstice. Bonfires on hills.
Half the PLP and party bureaucracy should have joined the Tories or the Lib Dems. That they didn’t is what stymied Corbyn.
I agree, I’m finished voting after that, I also blame Corbyn a lot for the election results, he promised too much too quick, he folded over to the Jewish lobby over the antisemitism nonsense to readily and was told you more you apologise the more they will want, I just don’t see the sense in voting anymore , if people are that stupid to vote against their own interest what’s the point? The only way they could get their cherished ‘leave’ was to vote Tory, and I told people around me, you don’t know what you’ve just voted for, the most right wing government in history, and how right I was, and we will be stuck with a ‘tory ‘ government for the next 20 years (not that I’ll be witnessing it!)
Geoff. Both side are had, there is no choice, nothing has got better for the general public regardless of who is parliament.
Vote red pill labour, blue pill tory, you still get purple pill elites.
Corbyn had a fine vision for his fellow Britons; his (or his advisors’) fatal mistake was to think that his vicious enemies (inside and outside the Labour Party) could be placated by throwing them one concession after another. Wrong strategy. Give blackmailers what they want and they just come back demanding more.
Labour’s manifesto was too cluttered: should have kept to a simple theme such as ‘rebuild a fairer Britain’. Whatever one’s views on Brexit, it was the absurd Brexit policy promoted by the Blairites that finally sunk Corbyn’s ship.
I agree, the policies were great, he just wasn’t the person to put them in place
I went for a walk today in the countryside as usual and was pleasantly surprised to find a VE day celebration in a local village going on in the street. I suppose I have better not mention it’s name in case there are any government spies reading this …
i doubt they would post on facebook or Instagram
nice to see people still celebrating or hanging out together as other people i seen now are now scared of family members or people due to thinking they can catch it
We had 20 or so people gathered for a Mayday/VE Day/sunny bank holiday do. My wife was posting pics on Facebook as she took them. Dips, scones, cakes, tea, and 1 or 2 ales. To be fair, we are in rural Sussex, not a big town or a city.
Five hours of Glen Miller was a bit ott though.
I wondered how long before this lot got in on the act (from The Groan, live feed):
It was bound to happen. We’ve already had the women’s angle (this is a quite obnoxious article):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/lockdown-exit-designed-men-men/
And of course the race card has been played by, amongst others, that odious specimen Lammy:
https://amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/shelagh-fogarty/coronavirus-david-lammys-powerful-response-to-bame/
Good that they chose today to commemorate the mass slaughtering of Algerian civilians in their homeland bye the French. Good ole Britain
Its indeed very ironic to be locked up today. To tell the truth, they didnt even use a different method. Only the excuse this time was not the left or the Jews but that everyone was a danger to everyone because of some virus, which is frankly a progress for totalitarians, but a regression for everyone else. I had no idea humans had lost their minds and instincts to the point of proposing and applauding and agreeing that we all are mass murderers. Otherwise the method is the same: the use of emergency laws.
“Nothing says FREEDOM more, than locking down humanity and starving it to death.”
The idea of ‘celebrating’ freedom locked in our homes, ‘warned’ by the govt not to break their rules is just too Kafkaesque. I live in a country now I no longer recognise or want to be a part of.
might check; is the door really locked…?
the door is irrelevent. it is what has been programmed into 90% of people’s heads. i know it happened to one of the most sensible peoples in the world, from the late 1930’s to 1945, and continued afterwards with ths stasi in east germany, but i never thought it would happen to my country england, not in my lifetime.
but here we are people afraid to go outside their own front door.
disgusted,
Tony
It is disgusting, Tony. But it is only ‘some’ people who are afraid.
Sorry to hear your do did not happen. Ours was very nice, especially if you’re a Glen Miller fan.
Who said anything about ‘doors’?
IANA,
Our door has been open all day with a Sign on it.
“WET PAINT!!!!”
Unlike The Rolling Stones we Painted it White.
I have to admit, my wife did look rather beautiful this afternoon, with the sunshine flowing through her beautiful blonde hair, but I was under very strict instructions today.
NO PHOTOGRAPHS, and I obeyed.
She ain’t daft, and I love her to bits.
She was getting a bit worried about the reaction.
So I’m saying Nowt.
She will probably do a Watch Party now, and tell everyone she know’s everything
I have already heard most of the gist, from why people complained, and I know who complained and why.
I told them to get back to work – you lazy sods.
It did not go down well.
Tony
i had a fight with a man in the street earlier after he jumped on my back breaking all laws and proto culls of zion. i was walking my dog churchill and noticed a man in his underpants clapping crying with a grime stained tv medical show mask on. i walked over to him and asked if he was ok and he said he was clapping for dunkirk day i said do you mean v e he said no dunkirk. i said victory over europe day he said no dunkirk and the bridges of arr haa numb and the bridges called to far. i tried to explain to him that victory over europe was different to victory over japan day and victory over asia day and god save the queen day and that he was simply getting all his hollywood movies mixed up. once i pointed out that dunkirk day… Read more »
Musk did an admirable job of correcting Rogan on the C19 subject yesterday – approx 1hr 14 minutes in. Not check social media yet but Im guessing he lit up twitter again.
would it not be better to commemorate the sacrifice of those who died fighting fascism and totalitarianism Yup I celebrate and thank the Red Army and the Russian people 20 MILLION who were killed in saving us. Would not have happened otherwise. What then would those who fought and died for these values think of us now? They’d think who fucking gave away all the public housing and free education and the National Health Services. there will be no trestle tables to sit around, no mingling or dancing with friends and neighbours and no concerts or gatherings in town squares or on village greens. Thank fuck for that. They’d be celebrating geddingidone and mahcuntterybaaaak. Ah the best silver lining of self quarantine yet! Isn’t it nice and peaceful? Without the flying monkey troll army on the boards today so far (except for the early rising yankee contingent) – go out… Read more »
“Yup I celebrate and thank the Red Army ” From someone who fought in that army. “At no time has the world been without war. Not in seven or ten or twenty thousand years. Neither the wisest of leaders, nor the noblest of kings, nor yet the Church — none of them has been able to stop it. And don’t succumb to the facile belief that wars will be stopped by hotheaded socialists. Or that rational and just wars can be sorted out from the rest. There will always be thousands of thousands to whom even such a war will be senseless and unjustified. Quite simply, no state can live without war, that is one of the state’s essential functions. … War is the price we pay for living in a state. Before you can abolish war you will have to abolish all states. But that is unthinkable until the… Read more »
Early communists had figured this out, they realized that confilct was ultimately a matter of class, not nationality, and idealistically dreamed of a world where national barriers would be irrelevant. This was seen as the principal danger from communism before the Russian revolution. Afterwards it became easy to focus on the new enemy especially as that new state was of necessity concerned priamrily with its own survival.
(Superimposed on this was Russia itself, a large country full of resources that has had to push back against invading forces every few decades.)
“Yup I celebrate and thank the Red Army and the Russian people 20 MILLION who were killed in saving us. Would not have happened otherwise.”
Agree!
They didn’t fight to save us.
They fought to save themselves.
They couldn’t give a toss about us.
They couldn’t give a toss about this country any time over the past 500 years since Elizabeth I established diplomatic relations with Ivan The Terrible.
They have never been remotely interested in this country or been any threat to it.
Just like China.
They had more important things on their plate.
>They’d think who fucking gave away all the public housing and free education and the National Health Services.
I remember my mother telling me as a teenager in the 60s that all this would be clawed back. A generation took for granted what had been fought and died for, they never particpated in the struggle to get it so never realized just how precarious their ‘rights’ were. They were persuaded to sell their birthright for a handful of lottery tickets, the whole process being lubricated with North Sea Oil. Now its back to the 30s — but this time in color.
(Which is how I became part of the ‘yankee contingent’. I figured back in the early 80s that if I was going to have to live in an ersatz version of the USA I might as well avail myself of the opportunity to experience the real thing._)The climate’s better…)
But the holidays are shorter.
Dung, Check out Rhys Jagger on Craig Murray’s blog. I have been wanting to do that for over 10 years, but could never quite find the words.
I just quickly scanned through comments on CM’s blog (article ‘Civil Liberty Vanishes’) and came across a reference to someone’s comments that had been removed by the moderators. I was astounded. The post was from someone called ‘Tony M’. He bemoaned being censored so, presumably to prove their point, the moderators reproduced what had been taken down. To start with, Tony M had actually presented his points (to the poster who triggered his response) in a hypothetical way i.e. ‘What would you say if…?’ And let’s face it that is a recognised way to initiate debate. But not for CM’s moderators. Tony M then went to, albeit rhetorically, ‘hypothesise’ as follows: What would you say if… – we’d actually passed the peak of infection before lockdown; -many old people have beaten it [the infection], even those with co-morbidities, and are now immune; – anti-bodies to other respiratory viruses provide some… Read more »
Why do you even bother with ‘Pig Channel’?
I don’t as a rule, b, but I was intrigued to see what our co-commenter on OffG, Rhys Jaggar, had to say as per @tonyopmoc’s comment. Rhys always posts very astute and admirably acerbic comments which I enjoy reading…and his comments on CM’s site were no exception!
pawns in the game
THE WALL STREET YANKSTERS AND THE BRITISH ZIO CITY OF LONDON SATANISTS
LET THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE DO THE HEAVY LIFTING
ONE OPERATION
The invasion covered a battle front distance of two thousand miles.
Operation Barbarossa
Total for 1941:
Axis Powers
More than 1,000,000
220,645 Axis killed in action
56,348 Axis missing
761,825 Axis wounded
2,093 German aircraft destroyed
2,839 German tanks lost
USSR
~5,000,000
465,381 killed in action
101,471 dead of wounds
235,339 non-combat dead (disease, executions, accidents etc.)
2,335,482 missing
1,256,421 wounded
66,169 sick
13,557 frostbite
1,336,147 sanitary reasons
~500,000 conscripts captured during mobilization
21,200 aircraft destroyed
20,500 tanks lost
Maybe your neighbours feel the same.
Meh. We were celebrating the weather, the sponge cakes and the beer.
Hitler killed 6 million. Stalin, our ally killed 100 million.
Then at the ‘end’ of the war, Stalin anexed half of Europe installing dictators. He then pointed nucliar weapons at us with the threat of destruction at any moment for the next 50 years…
Hurrah for VD day…H bloody Rahhhh….
Did you know that thousands of Jews fought in the German army because, they saw Stalin as the greater threat or that the Biggest Bank in Berlin, Jewish owned bankrolled the Nazis…
History is a load of nonsense…
We are mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed horseshit…
Then we have today…
At least many more of us have seen the tyrant uncloak…
Wall street financed both the Bolshevik and National Socialist regimes as did American corporations built up their respective industrial base. The Jews were in many key positions in Soviet Russia, prior to during and after the purges. Their hands were just as bloody as many others. Hitler murdered far more than 6,000,000. For example, over 25,000,000 people died in Russia many were civilians. Over 10% of Polands population out of approximately 40,000,000 was killed not all of them were Jews plus over 3,5000,000 Russian prisoners of war were taken 1000,000s of them did not return. Western Imperialism provoked the annexation of Eastern Europe by Stalin because Churchill refused to accept the Greek communists as a legitimate government in Greece plus he and Truman broke many agreements they had with Stalin. History is a tool to control the narrative hence why governments have 30,50,100 year rules concerning the release of official… Read more »
a couple of books
war is a racket smedley butler
major raceys diaries
wall street and the rise of hitler
Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution
how can a tank move a plane without leaded fuel
rockerfella standard oil sold fuels and technology to the british and the germans and russians during the war
the battle of britain could not have happened without standard oil usa patented leaded fuels used by all parties
hitlers tanks ran on fuel made from coal a usa patented technology
even hitler in colour was imaged on 16mm kodachrome film made in rochester new york shot on swiss bolex cameras
what a racket
Charles Higham, Trading With The Enemy : An Expose Of The Nazi American Money Plot
Here some others “ Conjuring Hitler” by Professor Guido Preparata and “ Hidden History : The Secret Origins of The First World War” by Gerry Dochert and James MacGregor. Not forgetting of course “ Tragedy and Hope” by Professor Carol Quigley.
neither hitler, nor stalin killed those. henchmen/ people did, just as ever. and many went along/cheered/agreed/approved, just like now.
Both Hitler and gave the orders. Just as Churchill did for the indiscriminate killing of civilians in German cities, just as Roosevelt and Truman did for the firebombing of Japanese civilians and cities plus the dropping of the A bombs again on civilians and cities. All carried out by their henchmen with a cheer in their throats .
“Hitler killed 6 million. Stalin, our ally killed 100 million.”
Hitler killed six million Jews. I don’t know the figures, but the Russian death toll of 20 million as quoted by dungroanin elsewhere on this thread I think is about right.
There is a very good documentary on the Russian sacrifice here:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3p7bw7
I don’t know where you got the figure for Stalin or if it is in any way accurate.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn puts the figures at 100 million.
How did he get evidence to prove it?
Matt Hangcock?
Daily Fail?
BBC?
nor did charles manson btw. what’ worse, a talking head, however persuasive or them as actually do the deed?
As pig ignorant as it is vicious and stupid. Stalin had NO nukes until 1949, and it was ‘us’ that actively planned to nuke the Soviet.
Let’s look at a few facts instead of Western Imperialistic propaganda. The USSR was funded by Wall Street and supplied with weapons, technology and materials by but not exclusively the USA and the UK before during and after WW2 right up to its collapse in 1999. The US plus the UK funded Hitler and supplied the Nazis with technology. The winners were the Western Ttansnationl banks. The main leaders in the Soviet union prior to and during WW2 were Jews and led the purges plus created the Holimodor. Contrary to popular belief a one man dictatorship can’t run and create policies by themselves. The USSR won WW2 and lost nearly 30,000 000 people in the process both soldiers approximately 2/3 and the rest civilians that’s 10 000,000 killed and murdered by the Nazis. Moreover, the Western Imperialists also allowed the USSR to suffer this devastating loss and only invaded on… Read more »
Correction the USSR collapsed about 1991.
BBC running an article from their ‘disinformation reporter’ trying to justify social media wiping of ‘conspiricy theories’. No attempt to hide their CNNification now.
i’ve been trying all morning to find links to the legal action being undertaken by a firm i can’t remember who wrote a legal letter to the government giving one week to reply re. the lockup – it appears the government have not responded rather asked for more time – one week i believe – the response of the firm is to await a response by tuesday 12 may – can anyone help clarify this – i just can’t find anything
Simon Dolan is his name.
thanks, you are correct – silly me!
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/lockdownlegalchallenge/
here’s the letter of reply from the regime handlers
https://static.crowdjustice.com/group_claim_document/Letter_to_Wedlake_Bell_LLP_6_May_2020_redacted.PDF
it appears the HoL have not debated the restrictions and will not until 12th May – so is the lockup legal i ask myself – we do have a parliament don’t we??
Good questions.
It’s very heartening to read the ‘BTL’ comments on the ‘crowdjustice’ page.
I shall paraphrase the last two substantive paras in the Govt lawyers’ letter:
“You’ve had six weeks to challenge the coronavirus legislation so you’ve got a nerve to present us with deadlines. You can’t do anything else without a reply from us so don’t expect to receive a reply any time soon, if ever. In the meantime we’ve humoured you by theoretically setting a deadline of 14 May but don’t hold your breath. “
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/lockdownlegalchallenge/
Simon Dolan Jota Aviation
Here in the US our vaunted military has done some great work to tamp down this menacing plague. Well, not exactly the military, rather private contractors but let’s not split hairs- what’s the difference? To a tune of over $660 million the US Army Corps of Engineers (largely through private contractors) set up 17 field hospitals for the prophesied arrival of the Black Plague. 4 never opened. Of those that did most never treated a single patient. During the “Black Plague 2020” contractors raked it in. – FACILITY NAME – LOCATION – CONTRACTOR – TOTAL COST – MAXIMUM BEDS UNDER CONTRACT* – TOTAL PATIENTS SUNY Stony Brook Stony Brook, N.Y. Turner Construction Co. $155,500,000 1,038 Beds 0 Patients SUNY Old Westbury Old Westbury, N.Y. AECOM Technical Services Inc. $118,504,737 1,022 Beds 0 Patients McCormick Place Chicago Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority $65,526,533 3,000 Beds 37 Patients Westchester County Center White… Read more »
What then would those who fought and died for these values think of us now? I had grand parents who fought, one who fought in both Wars with the artillery, I remember as a nipper him telling me about the little bronzed statuette of his horse & photos to match in his uniform. Sadly I think they may have been just as docile & complicit in their own house detention. They believed in those wars because they were sold to them by the establishment in much the same way as this scam which will have as great a devastating impact on the rest of the lives as war did on those that willingly bought into it & just as those brave but deceived individuals who didn’t come back & those that came back with life long scars, So to will people today. It may seem like a long holiday ATM… Read more »
Too true but people are blind to this. Sad to say, I think that most people believe that there is a bottomless pit of money available to the Government to spend as they (the Govt) wish so it’s a win/win situation in the minds of the majority. The truth will become apparent to them in due course, but only when it’s too late to stop the fallout.
They do not pay them with money, they are paid in currency.
The distinction is fundamentally important, and is one of the reasons for pulling the ‘covid’ hoax.
The Coronavirus Act 2020 is our Enabling Act 1933. Part 2 Section 90 of the Act includes two clauses that provide the government with the power to do anything, forever. The first states that a national authority may by regulation alter the expiry date. The second states that a national authority may by regulation alter any power. A national authority is a minister of the Crown. This legislation was passed by parliament without scrutiny or division. And that is how easily fascism was introduced. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/04/coronavirus-fascism.html
has the House of Lords passed the lockdown restrictions? if not then this scenario is illegal – no?
If our neighbours haven’t got the courage to bring their tables and chairs out into the street, then rather than “raise a glass and toast your neighbours from a distance”, they are more likely to get a V sign from me, so on balance, I think it is probably best that I do not participate.
Yesterday, I queued up to buy food at the local supermarket. Once inside everyone’s faces became within a few inches of each other, and hardly anyone was wearing masks including the cashier, who in theory would have been the most infectious for the past 3 months.
So if we can’t celebrate what my Dad fought for 75 years ago in a proper manner, count me out. He would be even more disgusted than me, about what is happening now.
Tony
Spot on.
ironic what with global corporate fascism on the march.
The Americans will be celebrating their freedom on the Fourth of July. Should be interesting.
… assuming we still have any freedom left to celebrate by then. 🙁
History is written by the victors. I’m increasingly starting to question all official narratives, Particularly when they involve the “us good, them bad” dichotomy. And disingenuous glorification of “our heroes”, whose lives probably meant nothing to those in power sending them to their deaths. It’s just a distraction, just propaganda. Better to follow the money if you want to know what’s really going on. There seem to be a lot of unnerving parallels between ww2 and the coronavirus situation. I feel very sad for all the people who have lost their lives, or had their lives destroyed, because of the policies implemented during both.
It goes way back ..
“For centuries, received opinion has had it that the Yorkist king ordered the murder of his young nephews, Edward and Richard, in a ruthless bid to secure his throne. But might the two princes instead have lived on into the Tudor era?”
https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/did-richard-iii-really-kill-princes-in-tower-debate-historians/
If history really were written by the victors, surely the history of the victory over fascist Germany would be written by the Soviet Union?
Maybe the Russians have their own version of that moment in history.
I’m guessing the Soviet Union wrote it’s own history books – can’t imagine them buying British or American ones!
Soviet historians certainly did write this history. So too did Japanese historians and Indian and American and German and French, etc. The point is history is written by historians.
I thought that the Germans were shamed into adopting the Allied version?
I think historians are probably much like scientists – some are honest, others are bought, and there are lots of grey areas subject to human interpretation
“…much like scientists; dependent on funding
David Irving is an interesting case in point, love him or hate him. He claims he is one of the few historians who always go direct to original sources, whereas most of them just quote each other. Being able to speak and read German helps him, but he’s also written that he has accessed a lot of Soviet records, during a relatively brief period when they were opened up, only to be sealed off again some time later. He correctly identified the Hitler Diaries as a hoax, while some of the more mainstream historians were taken in. He was actually lauded in the mainstream in the early days, and became quite rich and famous, and even the left were happy with his books, such as the one on the Dresden firestorm, which discredited people like Sir Arthur Harris, chief of RAF Bomber Command. Of course, his career took a dive… Read more »
David Irving is the shit! I remember back when he debunked those fake Hitler diaries. The year was 1983, I think.
https://www.unz.com/announcement/the-remarkable-historiography-of-david-irving/
Jörg Friedrich’s “The Fire: The Bombing of Germany, 1940-1945″ hardly fits that description.
Yet Germany also marks VE Day
Historians do not control societies. In fact, very few people even read their works, preferring fictions and (corporate) journalism for their pseudo-knowledge of history.
I was thinking more about the history taught to the masses in school, the type that doesn’t encourage questioning and critical thinking
History in schools is not taught by historians. It is taught by teachers and school history curricula are closely controlled by the elites.
Sure, but most people in the West get their history from Hollywood and TV, where they’ve written out the Soviet role in winning WWII. And if you’re of independent, scholarly mind and went poking around, you’ll run into, say, David Irving. If you make it known that you’re studying him, you’re done for. You’ll be vilified until the end of your life unless you beg forgiveness and denounce him. There’s an Overton Window for historians too.
Reg, how do you know there is an Overton Window for historians?
I guess we’d know for sure if Simon Schama said something unacceptable and the media came down on him like a ton of bricks.
The corporate media have no influence on the works of historians. Historians care about the arguments they have with other historians. That’s what drives historical scholarship. For example, when E P Thompson wrote The Making of the English Working Class it caused massive debate and controversy amongst historians in the area, but the arguments barely registered in the corporate media.
He must’ve asked David Irving.
The next phase of this psyop. Orchids for all who work at Mt Sinai in New York. Lincoln’s there to capture this momentous event. The final frames of this episode show someone with something like a gas mask on their face. A fitting picture of the hopelessness of humanity.
It’s truly amazing how the ignorant masses freely line up like lemmings to fully believe in what their governments tell them. In many way’s it’s not the people at the top we should worry about but the masses who blindly follow.
Exactly. The mob is a scary thing if you’re not part of it.
George Orwell. What a visionary. That video is scary.
our park has actual one way arrows!
You have got to be kidding me. (I know you’re not.) Ended up getting into a lengthy and pleasant conversation with a stranger when I went on my walk yesterday. When neither of us drove off the (ample) path to achieve exaggerated distance, he made a joke and we ended up stopping to talk. We both stepped off the path and, while no one was measuring, we maintained the standard distance of any two unacquainted persons conversing. Turned out we agreed on a lot of things, disagreed on others, but had a nice congenial adult chat. He was saying how much he missed bars being open and I responded that I think a lot of these ridiculous rules are designed to keep us atomized and captive to the media representation of public opinion. I cannot tell you the number of solo and duo walkers who passed us (again, we were… Read more »
Another cycling outing today, different side of town, and not one sight of a covid message, just broken edges where they had been ripped off. This is good, it stops the constant reinforcement.
I am trying to stop and talk to anyone, it’s turning out that walk around the block takes ages!
I’m not in the least surprised. Get ready for fines for walking the wrong way down a shopping isle in supermarket. Soon we will have, traffic lights, tailgating markers, Gatso speed cameras and shopping trolley police in supermarkets.
Actually, they put a round-about in my old high school long before COVID-19. I thought it was hysterical, since the Language Arts hallway was a mosh-pit even in my day.
Help! Help! It’s the trolly police!
Love it. 😉
try the other
way
do it
break the spell
The world really is going mad!
Cheezilla, collective madness is not unusual. But it is only obvious when one does not share the collective delusions. For all those who do, it appears to be sanity, and those who don’t share the delusions are perceived as mad, bad and dangerous.
well at least we can come to off-guardian to meet some sane people.
They can f**k off with their phony ‘celebration.
Give us back what they fought for – our freedom.
Exactly. How can you celebrate something you no longer remember the meaning of?
Honestly, they fought for their serfdom, when have we been free? They’ve just turned the thumb screws a little more probably just to see if they could & a psychopathic giggle.
Are you aware of Gen Patton’s assessment of the situation just before they killed him?
No one killed him. He died as a result of a car crash.
Are you aware of his assessment of the situation before he died? Do you know what he wrote his wife?
No. But where’s this idea that he was killed come from?
From what he was saying after he saw the truth. In but one example he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945: “Berlin gave me the blues. We have destroyed what could have been a good race, and we are about to replace them with Mongolian savages. And all Europe will be communist. It’s said that for the first week after they took it (Berlin), all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped. I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”
Convincing?!!!
On August 31 he wrote: “Actually, the Germans are the only decent people left in Europe. it’s a choice between them and the Russians. I prefer the Germans.”
And on September 2: “What we are doing is to destroy the only semi-modern state in Europe, so that Russia can swallow the whole.”
Russophobia?
Yeah. How can he have such an opinion about Stalin and the Russians? Did he deserve to die?
Yeah Hitler was a real stand up guy wasn’t he…oh do fuck off & take your national socialism with you.
Now (((who))) would use such a diversion?
So Patton was a typically racist Yankee fascist. Hardly a scoop.
The OSS wishes to assure you that Gen Patton’s death was a mistake: The truth about General Patton’s death – OSS Society (PDF) as indeed it may have been.
Alan, one question. Here we are questioning the Covid narrative and learning, by the by, how important it is not to take narratives for granted without holding them up to the light, turning them this way and that, and generally interrogating ourselves. Why are you so dismissive of anyone doing the same in the case of Gen Patton’s death?
Thanks. Just read the pdf. I would say the conspiracy theories surrounding Patton’s death are on a par with those surrounding the death of Princess Diana.
killing patton a strange death yes sir i believe a book was written on the subject .
you see the damn fool kept going off script refused to play the game.
i believe a wooden projectile did the damages at hospital the ox fought well during recovery
they snuffed him out usa,uk russian zio nazi all working in lockstep
He made it through the crash and finished him off in the hospital.
Yes, complications from a broken neck. Surely there’s no conspiracy theory about this?
He died of covid
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Unneccesary. Since “He died” = “of covid”
Covid-19(45)?
They have found his driver, made
A Death bed statement. CiA wanted him taken out.
Ever wondered what happened to Gen. Patton after that?
https://www.unz.com/runz/was-general-patton-assassinated/
Some light VE Day reading: John Wear ‘The Origins, Aftermath and Atrocities of World War 2’ Thomas Goodrich ‘Hellstorm: The Death of Nazi Germany, 1944-1947’ Ralph Keeling ‘Gruesome Harvest’. An US observer. James Bacque ‘Crimes and Mercies : the fate of German civilians under Allied Occupation, 1944-1950’ James Bacque ‘Other Losses: An Investigation into the mass deaths of German prisoners at the hands of the French and Americans after World War II’ I grew up on the war, The Victor, autobiographies of famous fliers, Battle of Britain Day air shows at aerodromes around Lincolnshire. Guy Gibson was billeted where we lived. It was Max Hastings ‘Bomber Command’ that started my wake up later in life, not the pointless slaughter of women and children but the life expectancy of the crews. Like sending kids out in a suicide belt. Once you start reading you can’t stop. It’s good to find people… Read more »
That was my own grandfather’s attitude as well. He was a vet who had served during the war, but whenever he heard that awkward phrase ‘the Good War,’ he always said there’s nothing good about war except the end of it.