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This (locked down) VE Day…

Ian J

Today will mark 75 years since Victory in Europe (VE) Day – when after six years of devastating conflict, which killed an estimated 70–85 million worldwide and 384,000 soldiers and 70.000 civilians in the UK alone, allied forces finally declared victory over the forces of Nazi Germany.

Yet this will be a commemoration unlike any other in the history or the UK.

Street parties are planned and bunting will deck houses and lampposts, but there will be no trestle tables to sit around, no mingling or dancing with friends and neighbours and no concerts or gatherings in town squares or on village greens. This will be a celebration under lockdown.

Participants will celebrate from the distance of their own driveways, balconies or windows. Neighbours will consume their own food and drinks on their own property and listen to music from a distance – observing the ongoing rules of ‘social distancing’ due to the coronavirus outbreak, which has overtaken all other considerations in the fields of medical, economic and social policy.

For this reason there is a profound dissonance between the manner in which this historical event will be celebrated and the deeper meaning of the event itself.

VE day celebrated the overthrow of tyranny, at the cost if great suffering and loss, and the hope that this sacrifice would lead to a better world and the building of a ‘Post War Dream’ or a ‘Nation Fit for Heroes’, where freedom, equity and the Rule of Law would be the defining values of the nation.

What then would those who fought and died for these values think of us now?

What would they think of a society that, in the face of a public health issue which presents a questionable threat to society at large, accepts the quarantine of the healthy and passing of draconian legislation restricting movement and costing the jobs and freedom of millions of citizens?

And what what would they think of the attempts to silence those who question the scientific justification and efficacy of these measures?

I freely admit that I have always been suspicious of the celebration of military victories and of exhortations to ‘Support Our Troops’ in current conflicts. These commemorations always seem to be instrumentalised in an attempt at creating a false unity and to overlook the reasons for the conflict, just as calls to ‘Support Our Troops’ are always essentially a call to ‘Support Our Policy’ – however illegal and unethical it might be.

At this time would it not be better to commemorate the sacrifice of those who died fighting fascism and totalitarianism, by engaging in an ongoing struggle to uphold the values that they fought for?

Rather than engaging in celebrations under enforced conditions of physical separation, would it not be better to ensure that fascism and totalitarianism are not permitted to return here and now?

This alone would be a fitting tribute to the fallen and would honour their struggle in a way that no amount of bunting and forced jollity ever could, especially under such bizarre conditions as those that currently exist.

So raise a glass and toast your neighbours from a distance if you must, but it would be better to raise your hands and voices and ask whether the future that some seem to have planned for us is what the fallen of WWII died for.

Then maybe we can achieve a victory for the world and for the millions who suffer from the policies of those who are now claiming to care about the value of human life in relation to a single virus, but show no evidence of valuing it in any other context.

Ian J is an independent researcher and former organiser of the Merthyr Rising Festival
Filed under: latest, UK, World War II

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wardropper
wardropper
May 9, 2020 2:18 AM

We really needed Orwell to write a sequel to “1984”, letting us know just how long the Big Brother state survived, and what was its ultimate fate… Cutting to the present time, I’m in favour of not giving Big Brother a chance to find out what he can get away with. He’s already got away too much.

cesca
cesca
May 9, 2020 5:14 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Hello friend, not poss for Orwell to write an update but Huxley did, called BNW Revisited, in 1958 i think? Gobsmacked it isn’t used as Huxley’s seminal work, cos it shows how disgusted he became with what was happening, he spoke pure truth about the dangers facing us.

The iffy part of BNW Revisited, is his Edwardian view of increasing population posing a danger. There is no doubt we cld support at least twice the current pop, if things were fair/humanist distribution.

wardropper
wardropper
May 9, 2020 3:32 PM
Reply to  cesca

Hi Cesca. I’m not so sure about “twice the current pop”, since it isn’t just a question of fair distribution (which is of course very necessary), but of what the Earth itself can go on producing and creating. I think of it in the same way as I think of “The Perpetual Machine”, something which just doesn’t exist. Quite apart from the question of distribution, Earth’s resources have been mercilessly plundered and disastrously meddled with for quite a while now, and not all of those resources are renewable – not to mention the life forms which have already become extinct – not naturally, but because of corporate greed.
I think Huxley wasn’t entirely wrong about the dangers of population, but one can get labelled as a eugenicist for saying so… For me, it’s just something for individuals to have in mind when they plan their families. I would agree that once the government starts regulating such things, we’re in trouble…
Trying to be realistic, people will have children as they see fit, and governments will try either extreme or moderate measures to try to control them, and there will always be friction. It is only when the government itself is rationally supervised and controlled that a better world could result, but the current fashion is for the government to succumb to corruption and do whatever it likes, while simultaneously limiting our freedom and encouraging us to be corrupt too. That has already ended in tears, and will continue to do so as long as this wretched fashion endures (that’s really all it is – probably based on “The Godfather”, or some such movie).

wardropper
wardropper
May 9, 2020 2:09 AM

Indeed, we did celebrate the overthrow of tyranny, but it’s been a VERY long time since we overthrew tyranny within our own borders… We’re pretty rusty.

paul
paul
May 9, 2020 1:58 AM

Why do we still celebrate 1945?
It wasn’t fought against tyranny.
It was a war to preserve the largest empire the world had ever seen, 14 million square miles, and all the rapacious exploitation and brutal oppression that went with it.
If you really think it was a war against tyranny, go and tell that to the Irish.
Or the Indians.
Or the Iraqis.
Or the Palestinians.
Should be good for a few belly laughs.

Hitler was a rank amateur in the tyranny stakes.
Strictly second division stuff.
All he wanted was a few hundred thousand square miles in Poland and Russia.
How pathetic is that?

paul
paul
May 9, 2020 1:48 AM

Keep Calm And Blame China.
God Save The Queen.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
May 9, 2020 12:07 AM

ANOTHER KIND OF DISEASE

I was skimming through WSWS in hopes of finding an interesting thread not devoted to COVID-19 hysteria. There appeared to be one entitled: “Seventy-five years since the end of World War II in Europe.” The article started off jam-packed with compelling facts:

“The Second World War was the most brutal and bloody conflict in human history. The crimes and cruelties that were perpetrated surpassed anything that humanity could have imagined in its worst nightmares.

Around 70 million people were killed, two thirds of whom were civilians: unarmed men, women and children. This was not collateral damage. The extermination of large sections of the population was the explicit goal declared by the Nazis’ war of annihilation, which reached its bloody culmination in the murder of 6 million Jews.

The Allies increasingly adapted their methods to those of their enemy. For the first time in modern warfare, both sides deliberately exterminated the civilian populations of large cities. The two-year-long siege of Leningrad by the Wehrmacht claimed more than 1 million lives. The Allies’ firebombing of Dresden, Hamburg and other cities killed tens of thousands of civilians far from the front lines. In April 1945, US President Harry Truman signed the order to drop the atomic bomb on Japan in Potsdam, less than 30 kilometres from Hitler’s Führer bunker.

The trauma, outrage and disgust provoked by the unspeakable crimes and cruelties committed during the Second World War deeply anchored the conviction among wide sections of the German and world population: “No more fascism! No more war!” But three quarters of a century after the end of the war, fascism and war are imminent global dangers once again.”

And then out of nowhere, the article astonishingly switches to COVID-19 correlating “herd immunity” to Nazi genocidal policies or euthanasia. The article stresses that workers are being sacrificed. In actuality, not working losing a business and your entire life savings destroys many more lives. Most who contract COVID-19 have mild cold or flu-like symptoms, and many don’t even know they’re infected. A small percentage of the population is extremely vulnerable– the elderly and those with comorbidities. Anyone with a compromised immune system should self-isolate, but most of the US didn’t need to be quarantined.

Of course, there’s exceptions like densely populated cities within the tri state area, but this is not representative of the rest of the US. Just like most of America does not have a subway system acting like a petri dish for contagions. However, it appears De Blasio solved the homeless problem– those without shelter are now sleeping on empty trains. De Blasio and Cuomo the supposed heroes of COVID-19 never seriously addressed New York City’s homeless crisis where one out of eight children are homeless before 5th grade.

If anything COVID-19 exposed another kind of disease, an economic one where unregulated capitalism preys on 90% of the population. The fragility of this system can be seen when sufficient social safety nets are NOT present to guarantee financial security for more than 10% of the population. All others live on the edge of a very sharp and narrow cliff where at any moment they’ll be thrown over. This is what’s really terrifying most people more than the virus.

COVID-19 revealed another serious affliction the authoritarian nature of Western liberal democracies
and the eagerness of governments to put into effect arbitrary rules and regulations while simultaneously enforcing social austerity. The liberties and the rights of individuals are meaningless when a government can “capriciously” declare an emergency, even if one does not really exist.

Seventy-five years after WWII, the world’s population remains in an quagmire generated by a small
transnational cabal of gangsters whose quirky obsessions define the fate of billions………

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
May 9, 2020 12:54 AM

Great response. Are you aware that a flu during 1968-69 killed 100000 plus Americans more than any other viral outbreak other than the 1919 Spanish flu in America including this years version ? Since we were preoccupied assassinating our leaders , defusing a social revolution, while mired in Vietnam our elites/leaders chose not to notice that pandemic which petered out after 1969 when herd immunity took hold ?

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
May 9, 2020 3:31 AM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

Another moment in time many don’t remember is the forced vaccinations during Ford’s administration: “President Gerald Ford’s administration embarked on a zealous campaign to vaccinate every American with brisk efficiency. President Ford announced in a press conference the government’s plan to vaccinate every man, woman, and child in the United States. Emergency legislation for the “National Swine Flu Immunization Program” was signed shortly thereafter on April 15th, 1976 and six months later high profile photos of celebrities and political figures receiving the flu jab appeared in the media. Even President Ford himself was photographed in his office receiving his shot from the White House doctor.

Within 10 months, nearly 25% of the US population, or 45 million citizens, was vaccinated, but serious problems persisted throughout the process. Due to the urgency of creating new immunizations for a novel virus, the government used an attenuated “live virus” for the vaccine instead of a inactivated or “killed” form, increasing the probability of adverse side effects among susceptible groups of people receiving the vaccination. Furthermore, prominent American scientists and health professionals began questioning the campaign’s large expense and its drain on scarce public health resources .

With President Ford’s reelection campaign looming on the horizon, the campaign increasingly appeared politically motivated. The rationale for mass vaccination seemed to stem from only the barest of biological reasoning — it turned out that the flu wasn’t even related to the virus that caused the grisly 1918 epidemic and, indeed, those who were infected with the flu only suffered from a mild illness while the vaccine, for the reasons stated above, resulted in over four-hundred and fifty people developing the paralyzing Guillain-Barré
syndrome. Meanwhile, outside the United States’ borders, the flu never mushroomed into the anticipated public health disaster. It was the pandemic that never was. The New York Times went so far as to dub the whole affair a “fiasco,” damning one of the largest and probably one of the most well-intentioned public health initiatives by the US government.”

This article doesn’t mention the deaths caused by the 1976 vaccine.
Good intentions can lead to devastating effects…..

May Hem
May Hem
May 8, 2020 10:59 PM

“Singapore unveiled a four-legged canine-like robot on Friday to remind park-goers to maintain social distancing.”

This may, at first, seem funny but I see it a frightening. Autonomous programmed robots in charge. And this is just the first one, later they will be armed for sure.

“The robot, named “Spot,” could be seen patrolling Bishan-Ang Mo Kio Park on Friday afternoon as part of a two week trial-run held by the National Parks Board and the Smart Nation and Digital Government Group, according to an official press release from National Parks. Spot, who was developed by Boston Dynamics, is being deployed to “reduce the manpower required for park patrols and minimize contact among staff”.

Spot is equipped with cameras and censors to help it estimate the number of visitors at the park, and occasionally makes announcements via a speaker reminding people to “stand at least one metre apart”.

For now, Spot is remote-controlled, but its developers hope that it will achieve full autonomy in the future”.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/05/08/624913/Singapore-Robot-Safe-Distancing-Park-goers

wardropper
wardropper
May 9, 2020 2:12 AM
Reply to  May Hem

Just make a note of the developers’ names. Then we can hold them to account when this gets out of hand…

Mrs Gardener
Mrs Gardener
May 9, 2020 5:17 PM
Reply to  May Hem

hmm that is metalhead of black mirror ilk indeed. Just like covid app is like nosedive.

crank
crank
May 8, 2020 8:57 PM

Just re-watched ‘Jerry Building’ (available on ThemTube). Jonathan Meade’s monologue assumes a lot, and is the lesser for it. The Third Reich had some pretty weird and unsavoury things going on, but what in this world can be considered ‘normal’ ? E.g. Meade’s recognition of Nazism as a contorted pagan(ish) cult -rather than a political movement in any conventional sense, somewhat ignores the centrality of magikal fraternities to Western Liberal traditions. If the Nazis went to the trouble of banning Freemasonry, is it not worth questioning what is the role of that movement in European society, and comparing some of their more colourful beliefs alongside those of the Nazi Reich? One could point to the Talmud or even the Old Testament and ask, is that normal human morality ? The Nazis tried to build a society free of usury, which itself is a kind of ubiquitous fraud of unimaginable proportions, absolutely central to the world that developed either side of World War II. Is the usurocracy ‘normal’ ?
Saying all that, I am glad that the regime was defeated. They were crooks, out of control, mad, they glorified death.
Meade still worth watching IMO.

crank
crank
May 8, 2020 9:11 PM
Reply to  crank

My point being-
Is the enthusiastic self destruction of our society due to the absurdly exaggerated threat of a relatively harmless virus any more ‘weird’ than the twelve years of alleged German mass hysteria which ended in 1945?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 9, 2020 3:50 AM
Reply to  crank

All very Harry Potter, that Nazi symbolism. The BBC should re-run Jonathan Meades’ Jerry Building except that I guess it has has no interest in undermining the current hysterical project.

BigB
BigB
May 8, 2020 11:53 PM
Reply to  crank

What is *normal* ‘human’ morality? The thing is: we have absolutely no idea.

Morality is derived from pure reason: which is universally valid and essentially eternally true. And thus purely objective, transcendental and noumenal. And thus suprasensible: beyond the taint of biology. Except for the few – the morally superior – who have special privileged access to the totally made-up bullshit singularity of universal law and truth.

It is not hard to see how the Fuhrerprinzip and ”thoughtless” allegiance to authority can be derived by stupid men from Kantian moral imperativism. And how they can take the idea of nurture and care of the weak, by the strong, and the moral duty to educate them to be more like the model human beings they are. Except they were not thoughtless: they did not display blind obedience, and they certainly weren’t stupid. They were ‘normal’ as Arendt made clear …(and she should know: she had a lifelong acquaintance with one of them).

Their beliefs in the right and superior ethic overode their humanity. But this is not an isolated incidence – despite the extremisation – this is the historical norm. Nazism, communism, and industrial capitalism. Is liberalised democracy the apogee of human deep enculturation? Or did the ”fallen” create a monster far worse than any historical precedent?

Libertarian industrial civilisation proceeds through ecogenocide to invalidate and colonise all life on Earth. While the people are wholly incorporated in the most destructive death cult in history via ”jam ‘n’ jerusalem” cupcake and bunting participation rites and pacification ritualism. The Gestapo and the NKVD had to commit horrors to many hundreds of thousands of their own to reach the levels of obsequiousness we have developed for free. In fact, checking the web: so many are only just realising that we are historically situated in the biggest canonical tradition of totalitarianism and fascism.

The real goal of fascism is to create a homogenised subjectivity totally addicted to authority – Fromm’s ”authoritarian personality”. With such a passive obedience cult you can get them to legitimate anything. Which is some feat to produce a nice cuppa tea and endless repeats of ”Only Fool’s and Horses”!

So: what are ethics, onto-axiology (judgement values), and morality? Because the canonical inteellectual tradition – the *globus intellectualis* [Dilthey] – has produced a supine neo-Platonic inhumanist and Cartesian ”theoretical” Rational Analytical Thinker of supine obedience to industrial capitalist governmentality. Which dictators and tyrants throughout history would have died for.

Like I said before: authoritarianism is the footnotes to Plato.

Canonical objective morality – deontically derived from pure imaginary reason – is authoritarian, totalitarian and fascist …and has proved to be. Ethics – of the ”To be; I am” ME (metaphysical essentialism of Being) is similarly bullshit. As the anglo-american hegemony of Rational Actor Theory colonises the rest of the world as the *lingua franca* of neoliberalism: humanity needs a new ethical morality. Only we get distracted by totalitarian nostalgia every time a spitfire flies past. The only problem with the Nazis: all their Bruckner pomp, pagan pageantry and empty bombast lacked the subtlety of the official court historians of a very British rational and moral ethical totalisation.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 9, 2020 4:08 PM
Reply to  BigB

I’ve grown very weary of the constant media driven and ignorant depictions of Ashkenazi, Germany. (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ashkenazi)

A scant few historians have separated the bullshit from the facts, and found a completely different realization concerning the WWII slaughter house called Europe. As usual, most civilians swallow the Kool-Aid to enjoy the sweet tacky nonsense of non-historical swill.

RE: Adolf Hitler: “The Greatest Story Never Told” (approximately 6 hours duration) is a very striking documentary, indeed. Of course it’s been censored and reposted on the internet about a hundred times…

Loverat
Loverat
May 8, 2020 8:05 PM

My sadness is that this day has been hijacked by those pushing the lockdown. And while I respect the veterans and people who lived in the war, it seems every year there’s one commemoration day after another.

I share the authors sentiments too. I note below theres some comments about WW11 – Russia’s role and doubts on what WW2 achieved.

For me, the best celebration of war would be people to start thinking for a minute about current wars we are promoting all over the world.

WW1 was truly pointless – and we should drop commemeration. WW2 I still think there was a point – an enemy that had to be defeated. But accept some of the points made in the comments and yes this constant obsession with the military past and present a symptom of country in terminal decline.

BigB
BigB
May 8, 2020 7:43 PM

Part of the premise of this piece is that we should celebrate VE Day as a victory over fascism and totalitatrianism: for the fallen. Well: every war in history was fought for the honour and the glory of the previously Fallen.

Dulce et decorum est. Pro patria mori

The sweet honour and anthem of a doomed youth: from Horace to today. The Germans were fighting for their version of the Geist: and only theirs was totalitarian? Will we never learn?

VE day celebrated the overthrow of tyranny, at the cost if great suffering and loss, and the hope that this sacrifice would lead to a better world and the building of a ‘Post War Dream’ or a ‘Nation Fit for Heroes’, where freedom, equity and the Rule of Law would be the defining values of the nation.

Except it wasn’t. How do I know? Because I just spent the afternoon talking to someone who was there. There was no great celebration in Glasgow: the ”Forgotten War” was still on; the equally ”forgotten” Clydebank blitz had taken friends and family: and many of the men were sacrificed in France. They never got a campaign medal.

When a nation writes its history: it does so by negation. It’s not what you leave out that gets celebrated …only what the victorious mythmakers put in.

There was no great celebration in Glasgow: just a PR shoot for Churchill in London. None of mine could stand the cant: the functional equivalent of a Nazi eugenicist if ever there was one.

The fact that Britain is not totalitarian and fascist is only a dehistoricising negation and cultural appropriation: of a culture we never had. Jerusalem? What a load of pomp and circumstance. Blake hated industrial capitalism. We love it and die for it: the sing the co-opted victory paen to a life we never actually made.

With every victory: we made it up …as this passage reads:

So raise a glass and toast your neighbours from a distance if you must, but it would be better to raise your hands and voices and ask whether the future that some seem to have planned for us is what the fallen of WWII died for.

Read it again: the answer is yes. The future we have planned is exactly the future the fallen have died for …totalitarianism and fascism. Even now we cannot see it: we fought the wars for industrial capitalism. We policed the colonies. We put down the natives who wanted their freedom. We did it: not them. And why did we do it? Because of a bloody good ripping yarn of a story …there was no crime we would not commit. We few, we glorious few…

Once more unto the breach my friends!

Cry ‘God for Harry, England, and Saint George!’

We have built up such a mendacious and perfidious view of ourselves as histories innocents: victims of class oppression and a mythologising meta-psychology of the propagandised by the industrial capitalist overlords we killed every nation under the sun for. Glorious Albion: this sceptred isle under the threat from yet another hidden threat from ‘some’ of ‘them’.

Maybe King Arthur will awaken and save us again?

Or the Turkish St George? Or Harry Hotspur?

Having been their foot soldiers for so long: exporting totalitarianism since 1096. But for a story: we are to blind to see we have become ‘them’.

What a load of shite. What an effing load of shite.

As the bourgeois industrial complex and totalitarian World System we helped build collapses: I expect to see a lot more. When will we learn that a bullshit story is just a john bullish story: and not something to live or die for?

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 8, 2020 9:16 PM
Reply to  BigB

Ireland had 800 years of a British boot stomping on their face.
Rape pillage and murder was their motto.
And they did so with delight and want.

BigB
BigB
May 9, 2020 12:24 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

I’m part Irish: part Scottish …born in Scotland and raised from my teens in England. As a Catholic. By the time I was 16 I was done with other peoples bullshit histories. I thank my lucky stars I never got a history as such. Like Joyce: its something I have been trying to wake up from ever since.

I’m a bit conflicted when it comes to Six Nations time though!

paul
paul
May 9, 2020 2:12 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

In the 12 years from 1641-52, the population of Ireland fell from 1.5 million to 600,000.
500,000 were butchered in a series of wars.
Another 400,000 were enslaved, chained up and branded and freighted off on slave ships to be sold on the auction block to the plantations of the West Indies and American colonies.
They were sold for £5 a time.
The far smaller number of African slaves went for £50.
Slave owners bred cheap Irish women slaves with expensive male African slaves.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 9, 2020 12:00 PM
Reply to  paul

This is verified where? Never heard these specific details before.

paul
paul
May 12, 2020 7:47 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

You’ve never heard these details before.
Wot a surprise.
Have you ever heard of the 10 million butchered in the Belgian Congo from 1890-1910?
Or the 100 million butchered native Americans?
Or the millions in the Bengal famine?
Or the exterminated aborigines, hunted and shot like rabbits?
No? Thought not.
Do you expect to learn of them from the MSM?
Get up off your arse and take the trouble to find out for yourself about the Great British Empire.
Makes Old Adolf look like a rank amateur.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 13, 2020 12:58 AM
Reply to  paul

Yes I did ya fucking eejit

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 8, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  BigB

Churchill presided over the Great Bengal Famine which took several million lives, and actively worked to make it worse, in the name of the war effort. Perhaps he killed more in that way than the Nazis in the camps and the Einsatzgruppen. And how many Germans died needlessly after the surrender?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 8, 2020 7:41 PM

Surprisingly The Guardian at least finds some Army families – genuine rather than staged acts of remembrance. The Telegraph can only muster an observation that feels somewhat devalued: Nation Claps to remember end of WW2 in Europe.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 8, 2020 7:29 PM

The Daily Telegraph had an image of an oldish couple in 1940s dress doing a knees up. Who are these people supposed to be? My father was born in 1939 and would have been 80.
Do hipsters dress up as 100 year-olds and dance in the street? Do people use VE day as an opportunity for poseurs, when a moment of quiet reflection would go far beyond what most people do anyway.
No, it’s just British War Propaganda, 2020 style.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 8, 2020 6:37 PM

Fuck off what the Brits did this us Irish was evil.

Borncynic
Borncynic
May 8, 2020 6:42 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

And?

John Milton
John Milton
May 8, 2020 6:54 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

What? They removed your ability to write coherent sentences?

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 8, 2020 7:23 PM
Reply to  John Milton

Call it ancestral traumatised shock that attacks the verbals from time to time..
The Brits in Ireland made the Nazi’s look like the Walton’s.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
May 8, 2020 7:41 PM
Reply to  John Milton

It is coherent even if not grammatically correct.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 8, 2020 8:45 PM
Reply to  Haltonbrat

Ye Brits crying about a lockdown when my ancestors had their homes burnt to the ground because they would not speak the Queens English!
Fuck off pansies

JohnB
JohnB
May 8, 2020 9:51 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Err, two wrongs …, a right …, Arse ?

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 8, 2020 9:56 PM
Reply to  JohnB

What delusional logic is that?

paul
paul
May 9, 2020 2:14 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

You shouldn’t feel anything special.
They did it to everybody else as well.

John Milton
John Milton
May 9, 2020 12:06 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Sorry for the remark about the spelling mistake

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
May 8, 2020 6:36 PM

Yes 75 years since governments gave people permission to stop killing each other.
The governments had made it compulsory for people to kill each other just a short six years earlier.
This action was so that people would not get killed. It was a great success. As a result just 75 million died.
Just think how many might have died if this wise action had not been taken.

My late mother was a small quite women. She raised five children and never complained. I do not think she would have harmed any one. But during world war two my mother worked in an underground factory helping to make bombs. My late father was also short he had been a coal miner but joined the Royal Air Force where he became an aircraft engineer working on the engines of the aircraft. Be they fighters or bombers. To help deliver the bombs so the bombs may be dropped. Landing on who ever is below.

They talk about serial killers or criminal organisations like the Mafia or Triad.
But if you want to kill a lot of people you need to governments.

Charlie Chaplin the great silent screen actor .
In the film The Great Dictator made in 1939 Chaplin told the story of a Hitler dictator that wanted to rule the. But the dictator needed international finance to achieve his aims.
Chaplin the actor that never spoke made one speech at the end of the film.
He urged soldiers and humanity to turn away from a coming war. That the war was due to mans greed.
https://www.google.com/search?client=avast&q=charlie+chaplin+speech

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 8, 2020 6:51 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Brian Sides,

Thanks for posting that. Charlie Chaplin was always one of my heroes, cos I have always had a big interest in film.

I saw that film, for the first time about 10 years ago

I was not used to hear him speaking. It is completely AWESOME.

Also check out Paolo Nutini from Scotland – he nicks a bit out of it completely Brilliantly.

“”Iron Sky” by Paolo Nutini – Featuring (Film) of Charlie Chaplin”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6BtO9wSJuY

Tony

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 8, 2020 5:52 PM

When we look into a mirror we think the image that confronts us is accurate. But move a millimetre and the image changes. We are actually looking at a never-ending range of reflections. But sometimes a writer has to smash the mirror – for it is on the other side of that mirror that the truth stares at us.

I believe that despite the enormous odds which exist, unflinching, unswerving, fierce intellectual determination, as citizens, to define the real truth of our lives and our societies is a crucial obligation which devolves upon us all. It is in fact mandatory.

If such a determination is not embodied in our political vision we have no hope of restoring what is so nearly lost to us – the dignity of man.

– – Harold Pinter

https://off-guardian.org/2018/01/24/harold-pinter-in-2005-nobel-address-the-us-is-brutal-indifferent-scornful-and-ruthless/

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 8, 2020 5:52 PM

Anyone here who’s really interested in celebrating VE Day will have to go to Belarus:

“In explaining his decision Lukashenko pointed out two things. Firstly, it’s voluntary. Nobody who doesn’t want to go is forced to. Secondly, where would Belarus and Belarusians be today if their forefathers had similarly panicked in the face of some virus or disease? (For that matter typhus exacted a devastating toll on Belarusian partisans.) A historic victory is nice but you have to keep being worthy of it. Even if COVID was the plague, which it is not. Some things are sacred, and some things — like honoring those who sacrificed to preserve the existence of your people — take precedent before minimizing every conceivable risk to your hide (but in fact, for the vast majority exposure is actually a good thing as it primes the immune system and builds the herd immunity).”

Joopy
Joopy
May 8, 2020 5:50 PM

As Carlin said, the Germans lost the war but fascism won the war. Having been “educated” by the mindfuck factories we like to call public schools here in the states, and bombarded from birth by the brainwashing waves emanating from the TV and Silver Screen, most Americans haven’t the slightest clue that the Nazis were not quite the enemy of the US ruling class as they were made out to be, nor was the military the heroic and liberating force fighting for freedom – not then and certainly not now. Hitler was both inspired ideologically and practically by Yankee genocide, racial segregation, and their pioneering eugenics movement and also the Nazi death machine was funded and armed in large part by US financing, technology, and industry. From major Wall St. firms funneling money through the BIS, to IBM infamously providing the indentification system at the concentration camps, to Ford and GM producing many of the vehicles for the Wehrmacht. And after the war was won, thanks in most part and by far the most severe sacrifice of the Red Army, Operation Paperclip was conducted to funnel countless Nazi criminals out of the country, free from accountability, to aid the Capitalist Empire in the Cold War against the communist threat.

It was never about fighting fascists or saving the Jews. And as the history of the US shows, before the war and after, the Nazis don’t even come close to the severity and scope of the barbarity and lethality of the Yankee empire. In the decades following VE Day, starting off with the completely unnecessary and sadistic nuclear bombing of Japan, the US spread “freedom” and “democracy” and “human rights” around the world by invading Korea and Vietnam, dropping hundreds of thousands of bombs including the use of biological and chemical weapons, overthrowing the governments of practically every country in Latin America and the Caribbean, rigging elections inclduing those of their closest allies, and assassinating foreign leaders and even many of the leaders of the most powerful democratic movements in the US itself. They’ve been on a planet-wide campaign to ensure that rather than the land, resources, infrastructure, utilities, social programs, and labor of nations, including here at home, be used to provide for the needs of the people, that they are to be privately monopolized and freely exploited by western corporations. They force nations to become indebted and dependendent, negotiating while holding a loaded gun to the head, threatening sanctions, that they’ve imposed on half the world’s population, color revolutions, and outright invasions and wholesale destruction. It’s not just the millions directly killed by their bombs and guns and poison but also the countless millions more killed by the institutional poverty and disease and misery caused by their economy system imposed on nearly all humanity.

It was only the presence of the Soviet Union that, not only by providing direct material aid to anti imperialist countries, but also the ideological example to the oppressed peoples of the Earth everywhere, including in Europe and the US, that forced western, capitalist governments to provide democratic rights and robust social programs and safety nets, most notably the New Deal programs in the US, to their workers to stave off the revolutionary rumblings sweeping the world. As soon as the Soviet Union collapsed, though, that need to prove the democratic and egalitarian merits of capitalism collapsed with it. And they have been on a tear since then, taking back all the gains made and concesssions won over the 20th century by the working class. We have been slaughtered in a one sided class war for the last several decades, without any meaningful resistence. Labor has been decimated, unions destroyed, good jobs are long gone, wages have stagnated while living costs have skyrockets and so we are drowning in debts to keep up, while social programs have been gutted and the safety net shredded, abandoning ever more millions to poverty, homeless, hunger, destitution, and deaths of despair. Meanwhile the 1% gobbles up more and more wealth and almost all the new income, making out like bandits from the bailouts after the last recession and are now in the process of an ever larger theft, an unprecedented orgy of plunder of the public money. And it makes no difference which party gets elected. The liberal parties have all sold out labor and sold their souls to finance capital and the MIC.

And as a resistence to neoliberalism/finance capitalism/imperialism was starting to ramp up, emegering simultaneously across the world on every continent, sheepdogs like Bernie in the US and Corbyn in the U.K. we’re trotted out by the ruling class and their left arms of the political system to herd the increasingly restless masses, especially the youth, back into the fold of the status quo, with sweet nothings about the impssible delusion of reforming this unreformable, irredeemable system that is killing us and killing the planet. The crisis of global capitalism was deepening, the economy wasn’t growing at all, and the financial system was on the brink of another collapse. And Voila! Corona Virus infects the whole world, not so much physically as an actual virus but psychologically and politically as a false flag psy op concocted by the desperate ruling class to solve multiple problems and push through multiple agendas at once. It immediately got the protesting masses off the streets and locked inside their homes, isolated, distracted, and afraid. And it gave the perfect cover the crash, as they tied the $trillion in bailouts for Wall St. bad debts to the minor and temporary relief to the millions of unemployed workers and small businesses forced to close their doors, many forever. And, like 9/11, the fear of the virus and second waves and second pandemics, like the fear of new terrorist attacks, is being manufactured to implement new surveillance systems and security measures supposedly to protect us but which will be used to control us and will never be repealed once this is over, because there will be a “new normal”, and it will make 1984 x Brave New World look like a tea party.

They’re now building the infrastructure for the New World Order, what I call the neo-feudal, techno-fascist, digital dictatorship. They want total control. They want to turn all life, every aspect of out humanity, our every movement, desire, and thought, all of our biometric data – measured by their chips and nanotechnology, injected with their vaccines, in order to allow us to return to work and school – and all nature, the remaining ecosystems and resources and species, into data commodities, new financial instruments to be bought and sold and speculated on. Everything tracked and measured, nothing escaping their Eye, the Panapticon, reigistered on the smart grid, on the Internet of Things, all connected through 5G technology, an antenna every hundred feet, bombarding us with militemeter waves, and a blanket of satellites blocking out the view of the stars. This is the Fourth Industrial Revolution and will be the death knell of humanity, long before the last human being is officially dead, and life on earth.

This is the boot Orwell was writing about, a technological boot, stomping on humanity forever. It’s being lowered over our collective faces as we speak, and will be impossible to get out from under once pressed firmly down on us. The time for resistence is now. We have to continue to spread the truth to our friends, family, and neighbors, to fight against the force and fury of the ocean of fearmongering and misinformation crashing down, over and over on the minds of the masses through the media, about a bug that’s no worse than a bad flu. The censorship campaign is a sign of their desperation and the weakness of their narrative.

Fuck these psychopaths. They might have all the money and the media but there are billions of us. They try to divide us by race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, nationality, and by pitting the believers vs the deniers, the healthy vs the sick, and the immunity to the fear and their efforts to distract and divide us is much more important than the immunity to corona.

The Nazis are still in power. And they’ve declared war on the people of the world, on life itself. It’s time to wipe fascism from the face of the earth, so that humanity can finally live free and in peace, in harmony with the rest life on earth.

crank
crank
May 8, 2020 7:23 PM
Reply to  Joopy

It was only the presence of the Soviet Union that, not only by providing direct material aid to anti imperialist countries, but also the ideological example to the oppressed peoples of the Earth everywhere, including in Europe and the US, that forced western, capitalist governments to provide democratic rights and robust social programs and safety nets

Didn’t the Soviet Union enforce a tyrannical system upon not just Russia, but the countries of Eastern Europe and Central Asia too? Was that not ‘an empire’ run from Moscow? Didn’t they create an anti-human surveillance system only surpassed recently in the US and the UK? Didn’t they enforce a huge system of political prisons (gulags), killing and enslaving millions just for their political views? Didn’t they engineer a mass famine in Ukraine? Didn’t they impose bans and heavy restrictions on ordinary people’s right to religious expression? Didn’t they brainwash their population with mass propaganda? Didn’t they build a huge arsenal of planet-threatening weapons?
Hitler was insane. Stalin was insane. Churchill was insane. World War II was a battle between insane forces. Why do we still educate our young only about the insanity and ‘pure evil’ of the German part of that story ?
Do you know how many Germans were deliberately starved to death by the allied occupying forces immediately after the war? Do you know how many women the Red Army raped? Didn’t you know that Wall Street was also involved in the Bolshevik revolution too?
..and so on. I can’t believe someone literate enough to quote the role of Wall Street in creating the Third Reich can write such apologetics for the USSR.

Joopy
Joopy
May 9, 2020 3:13 AM
Reply to  crank

Congrats, you memorized the list of all the bogus accusations and propaganda about the Soviet Union. Do you also believe everything they’re saying about China and it’s Uighur concentration camps? What about Assads chemical weapons attacks? Or Saddams WMDs? Maduros illicit drug trafficking operation? Gaddafis mass rapes? Irans state sponsored terrorism? North Korean death camps?

They lie. They lie about everything all the time. They lie about every country and government and leader they can’t control and target for destabilization and regime change. And they tell the most and the biggest lies about who they deem to be the greatest threats and never was there a greater threat to the capitalist system that the USSR. Now it’s China. But they still lie endlessly about Russia, too. Russiagate, Ukraine, Syria, Skripals, etc.

crank
crank
May 9, 2020 7:29 AM
Reply to  Joopy

(1) Who are ‘they’? You seem to imply that only the powers of Western Europe and the USA lie about things. Is that right ? Why would you think that ?
(2)

Do you also believe everything they’re saying about China and it’s Uighur concentration camps? What about Assads chemical weapons attacks? Or Saddams WMDs? Maduros illicit drug trafficking operation? Gaddafis mass rapes? Irans state sponsored terrorism? North Korean death camps?

Assad’s weapons attacks, no; Saddam’s WMDs, of course not; Maduro’s drug allegations, no; Gaddafis viagra rape, no; Irans aggression, no; the other two, haven’t read anything convincing. So why are you trying to falsely associate these controversies with anyone’s opinions about the USSR ? It is a logical fallacy to say : A lies about X, A said something about Y, therefore Y is a lie. If any of what is listed above about the USSR is historically wrong in your opinion, why not refute it instead of indulging in whataboutery ? (The soviet regime loved a bit of that !).
(3) China is not a ‘threat to the capitalist system’. Get a grip. It is an integral part of the capitalist system. Just about everything that I use day to day (here in the UK) is made in China by exploited workers for the profit of capitalists.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 8, 2020 5:37 PM

Covid has finally come out as being a neo-liberal, neocon pro-US Empire, virus and will be voting trump at the next election.

It has helped the US corporate sector gain $6 trillion in loans and gifts from the American people, with more to come. It has helped the US demonstrate its reach and control over it’s Anglo-sphere nations, and like with Brexit has demanded them to drive their economies into the ground, in preparations for take overs and buy outs by US corporations flush with worthless green pieces of paper. The last asset grab using the dollar, before it’s total collapse, has begun.

It has helped to further torture and starve the people of Venezuela and Iran with the aim of control over the oil of the middle east and south America.

Covid’s actions have also made the alt-right in the US and around world the heroes of the crisis now, for opposing and exposing the idiocy of a shut down, which their own CIA scientists had advised our democracies to implement, but only after they have fleeced their countries trillions and an extension to surveillance laws.

Yes, trump will do well out of this, by distancing himself from, his own lock down and his own funders who made trillions from it and ‘distancing’ is a trick he used so successfully it to get elected in the first place.

1of7billion
1of7billion
May 8, 2020 5:27 PM

I am pleased to report that I think we are about to see that Nature in one of its less subtle manifestations is about to overpower the King Canutism embodied by Boris Johnson that has led him to believe that a virus can be locked down and defeated as if it were a visible enemy on a battlefield that could be killed with bullets or bombs.

Or moreover, that the public can be locked down for very long without grave consequences, due to this underlying and irresistible “power of Nature” that when it so pleases, washes away even all human life by earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, or even in theory asteroids or comets which could wipe out all life on a global scale.

And the greatest irony of all, is I think that it is from the ones most enthusiastic and arguably causative of the lockdown – the BBC and Guardian and “PC political left” – that are going to lead us out of it again, due to their one “Achilles Heel” which is now gradually starting to show itself.

And that “Achilles Heel” is the now growing desperate need of these mainly PC left wing beings for physical contact (to put it politely) which we have seen has caused “Mr Lockdown” himself, Professor Ferguson, to defy his own lockdown who knows how many times.

While those in ongoing “live in” relationships may be able to cope with these restrictions, the huge number of singletons, who exist also in the BBC and Guardian are not going to be able to cope with being 2 metres apart from those they find desirable as friends or more, much longer.

For example, on the Unherd site in the last 2 days we have a BBC Radio 4 presenter, Timandra Harkness, a short-haired biker girl (by her own description and photo) who obviously believes in “freedom” arguing “It’s worth taking a risk over Covid-19”, arguing the “life is full of risk” idea, which obviously leads to lifting of lockdowns.

https://unherd.com/2020/05/why-we-should-take-risks-over-covid-19/

Secondly, even more significantly, we have had BBC2 Newsnight itself suddenly running a 12 minute long feature (video also on Unherd site or YouTube) reported in an article titled “Newsnight turns Covid-sceptic”, whose content isn’t too far away from what the many dissenting voices here and elsewhere have been arguing regarding scientific uncertainty.

https://unherd.com/thepost/newsnight-turns-covid-sceptic/

Spring is well here, the flowers say so, and that means the creation and flowering of new life, and pretty soon amongst the public in general the desire to indulge in “pollination” is going to overpower any lockdown and “2 metre distance rule” (though probably a “field day for cartoonists”), and Mr Johnson is likely to soon find himself as not only as helpless as King Canute as the tide rushes in relentlessly, but also extincted as the dinosaurs, if he doesn’t quickly “get with the program” of Nature, which is always about non-stop proliferation of life and where possible evolution.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 8, 2020 5:52 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

I was so shocked to see the Beeb asking sceptical questions (at last!) that I watched the section twice, just to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating. Hopefully it’s a start.

Ted
Ted
May 8, 2020 6:51 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

Perhaps the change at the BBC relates to the reports of just how unbelievably devastating this policy is now and will be for the unforeseeable future. As an example, in my neck of the woods, while Californians have received word from our Dear Leader, Gavin the Realtor, that we may now drive up to shops while they load purchases from online into our cars, Dear Gavin was informed that the state basically has to fill a 52 billion dollar (and growing) budget gap.

Not to worry, we can balance the budget if we close all primary, secondary, and 2-year community colleges for the foreseeable future. Or Dear Leader can go to the Bad Orange Man, hat in hand, and ask for help. No strings attached, of course.

The projected $54.3 billion deficit is almost as much as the $57.1 billion California spent on K-12 schools and community colleges last year.

Add to that the 15% overall unemployment in April (so far), and just 2000-3000 covid labeled deaths in California, and one can definitely say that Dear Leader Gavin knew what he was doing and still does.

http://ocregister.ca.newsmemory.com/?publink=19547f5df

Phase 2 gathers force now alright. But it is not the Phase 2 the politicians think it is:

Phase 1: Pharma-Gates-WHO-Media operation Covid19 panic and shutdown — this time with enough iatrogenic and state labeling policy created deaths caused by WHO treatment and State Epidemiology Ministry/Department death certificate guidance to really scare people (not like H1N1 2009) … but curiously deaths are mostly only very old sick people, lamentable deaths but not as devastating as it would be if there were more deaths among younger folks . —- BTW, Phase 1 is the only part planned and executed part, ’cause these oligarchs and their boot lickers are too stupid and sociopathic to think of the economic and political damage caused by their operation.

Phase 2: global economic collapse and devastation (now gathering steam). Not to be rescued by coordinated multi-trillion dollar QE by global reserve banks. This is after all not yet a banking collapse … but will that emerge soon also?

Phase 3: Serious perhaps world changing political crises, possibly revolution and full blown shooting war. (in the US this will be in full flower in the late fall/winter … especially if the Bad Orange Man somehow is reelected … assuming there is an election in the US in November … which would be evidence of Phase 3 in any event).

1of7billion
1of7billion
May 8, 2020 7:58 PM
Reply to  Ted

Thanks for the reply Ted.

As to your specific point about the motivation of the BBC, I only wish that as you suggest, they had the foresight to see this lockdown was likely to cause far more problems, both of economic and social kind.

But frankly, as I said, my suspicion is that this “change of direction” (and let’s hope it continues) is being driven by the fact too many of those working at these news mainly “PC” organisations like the Guardian and BBC, are going crazy about how this lockdown is affecting their social and sex lives – you have to appreciate that these are generally very touchy-feely people, hug-a-maniacs in many cases, even if it’s not about “full on” sex acts.

Because quite frankly the general problem in our government and media is lack of vision, so that they keep doing things like holding referendums or doing lockdowns which not only do they not think through the possible consequences of, they don’t even consider a so called “exit strategy” – i.e. in simple terms, how they are going to get out of this mess that they themselves created in the first place.

So that lack of vision means they don’t see anything that isn’t right up against their nose, so I think quite frankly to suggest they have got some kind of deep economic insight or even concerns all of a sudden is giving them massive credit for an insight they don’t have.

But ultimately money is not the real economy, the real economy is natural resources, technology, human ingenuity, know how and effort, so all of that in fact will still exist after the lockdown is over.

The argument as ever is therefore just how the cake gets shared out, and what those who make the decisions as to how human effort and technology will be used, what services and products will and will not be provided and so on.

It’s up to us as individuals and collectively so see how we can influence them to do that more according to our wishes.

John Smith
John Smith
May 8, 2020 10:23 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

Johnson ( and the rest) is definitely finished.

No coming back from this.

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
May 9, 2020 2:59 PM
Reply to  John Smith

Assuming they revert to democratic elections. I don’t believe they can for the reason you mention.

bob
bob
May 8, 2020 5:26 PM

I found this an interesting watch – Dr Vandana Shiva

https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/487626-coronavirus-war-treating-shiva/

a point of interest is that she calls big pharma – the Poison Cartel – nice

we don’t need any churchillian crap from Boris – we want an end to lockdown – note that former chancellor Javid states that the lockdown once open, should happen immediately, with no fuss

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 8, 2020 6:11 PM
Reply to  bob

Then Javid gets my vote!

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 8, 2020 5:13 PM

Great Street Party in Our Road NOT.

Despite everything that was said on Our Street’s whatsapp group, not a peep / sound / whisper or any sound of life from any of them.

My wife went out to check, and do did I.

No one has even come outside their front door, so far as we can tell.

The only sounds coming from our road, are coming from our back garden, and we have no music on.

I am not saying what is going on, and certainly not taking any photographs.

In fact, I am still worrying that the gestapo might come round.

Sod ’em. They are not joining in my wife and my pool party.

We did put our clothes on to go outside our house to check if anyone else was still alive.

It seems not.

They are all braindead.

Good to top up our Vitamin D today.

Sunshine is the best virus protection we have got.

Just take it easy.

Tony

bob
bob
May 8, 2020 5:40 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

hey Tony

i’ve been fascinated by your plans for this party – it maybe that your local folk are still transforming into zombies and may not quite be ready for the party – nevermind – don’t let them get to you

In the Descent of Ishtar, the goddess Ishtar threatens:

If you do not open the gate for me to come in,
I shall smash the door and shatter the bolt,
I shall smash the doorpost and overturn the doors,
I shall raise up the dead and they shall eat the living:
And the dead shall outnumber the living!

sounds like one of Ferguson’s virus models ….enjoy the pool :0)

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 8, 2020 5:59 PM
Reply to  bob

LOL

Mr X
Mr X
May 8, 2020 5:10 PM

I don’t by the Covid hype so yesterday I had some friends visiting. Beer at my place, then pizza and beer at a local parlour, then more beer at my place. Absolutely no distancing etc b…shit but business as usual, a great evening not lacking anything, today’s hangover a small price to pay. Happy VE Day!

John Milton
John Milton
May 8, 2020 7:03 PM
Reply to  Mr X

Nice work. Next time invite me too!

Tony
Tony
May 8, 2020 4:44 PM

The Plandemic video really has put a bee in the Establishment’s bonnet:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52588682

Tony
Tony
May 8, 2020 4:55 PM
Reply to  Tony

The article is by Marianna Spring, ‘specialist disinformation reporter’. I thought all BBC journalists were specialist disinformation reporters?

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
May 8, 2020 4:58 PM
Reply to  Tony

Anyone got a copy of it? Why aren’t the social media scum companies taking down all the bullshit the government oozes out?

Jean Pate
Jean Pate
May 8, 2020 5:54 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

A number of channels on Bitchute have it. Just search for ” Plandemic” there.

Tony
Tony
May 8, 2020 6:03 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench
JohnB
JohnB
May 8, 2020 10:24 PM
Reply to  Tony

There is also an interview with Dr Mikovits on LondonReal.tv, with Brian Rose.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 8, 2020 5:56 PM
Reply to  Tony

I watched that this morning. I agreed with 99% of it, but had a slight quibble with some of the fine detail, but I wouldn’t worry about that, it’s the best video on the subject I have seen yet. She is completely Brilliant. She reminds me of the girl who wrote the best book I
have ever read – Susan Lindauer – Extreme Prejudice.

Such courage is awesome, and most of it is coming from the women.

Us men ain’t got the balls.

Her name is Judy Mikovits

“Plandemic Documentary: The Hidden Agenda Behind Covid-19”

https://www.bitchute.com/video/IB3ijQuLkkUr/

Tony

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 8, 2020 8:51 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Controlled opposition.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 8, 2020 4:43 PM

I hope that admin won’t mind my posting this again here.

It is my contention, and the contention of many whose knowledge of the Second World War is much greater than mine, that the war was won on the Eastern Front in Russia.

There is a very good documentary which summarises the sacrifice made by the Russian people in the war and which was made in 1973 for British television as part of their “The World At War” series.

It is a very well made and moving documentary. It includes interviews with people who now must be long dead.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3p7bw7

I also posted this as an off topic piece “Russia in World Ward Two” on Mr Murray’s message board on 31st August 2019. Those who visit his board should be able to find it if they wish.

breweriana
breweriana
May 8, 2020 8:47 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

So much for ‘I won’t mention Murray’ again.
And “The World At War” series was just shallow propaganda.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 8, 2020 4:39 PM

Regarding “victors” as celebrants:

The world has become one of dreadful actors
Of sloshing boots on that bloodied stage
The ardent menace perceived no more
In the echoed cage of zombies marching

– Paul Vonharnish –
5/22/2014

Geoff
Geoff
May 8, 2020 4:35 PM

We know how much VE means to the elite, we must be the only country in the EU who doesn’t think it merits a public holiday, so they brought May Day holiday forward, I just can’t imagine who the hell voted for these shower human excrement, not that the ‘Labour’party offers any hope now ‘SIR’ Starmer is in charge, why he couldn’t have joined the Lib Dems or Tories I don’t know, there’s two parties already for him

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 8, 2020 6:15 PM
Reply to  Geoff

Don’t forget the May Day holiday was originally introduced here from Europe. The UK bank holiday has always been the last Monday in May.

Geoff
Geoff
May 8, 2020 6:48 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

I think it was always the first of May and I think it was Major who made it a bank holiday 1978 , and then nobody bothered marching and it was then held on the first Monday in May

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 8, 2020 9:01 PM
Reply to  Geoff

I remember it being introduced – we always had a CAMRA get-together. It stems from the old pagan May-day festival, as in Maypoles etc. The marches were for Whitsuntide, so a moveable event. I haven’t seen a Whit walk since I was a child in the 60s.

Geoff
Geoff
May 8, 2020 9:32 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Every may day there was always marches in all the major cities, but as I commented previously they were stopped the minute it became a holiday, perhaps that was the reason in making it a holiday

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 9, 2020 12:09 AM
Reply to  Geoff

I’m not from a major city. Didn’t realise they were stopped. Saddleworth still do (did before lockdown) the Whit walks. Brass bands and lots of people.

JohnB
JohnB
May 8, 2020 10:30 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Beltane. A quarter day, i.e. half way between the vernal equinox and the summer solstice. Bonfires on hills.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
May 9, 2020 3:25 AM
Reply to  Geoff

Half the PLP and party bureaucracy should have joined the Tories or the Lib Dems. That they didn’t is what stymied Corbyn.

Geoff
Geoff
May 9, 2020 7:55 AM

I agree, I’m finished voting after that, I also blame Corbyn a lot for the election results, he promised too much too quick, he folded over to the Jewish lobby over the antisemitism nonsense to readily and was told you more you apologise the more they will want, I just don’t see the sense in voting anymore , if people are that stupid to vote against their own interest what’s the point? The only way they could get their cherished ‘leave’ was to vote Tory, and I told people around me, you don’t know what you’ve just voted for, the most right wing government in history, and how right I was, and we will be stuck with a ‘tory ‘ government for the next 20 years (not that I’ll be witnessing it!)

Mrs Gardener
Mrs Gardener
May 9, 2020 7:04 PM
Reply to  Geoff

Geoff. Both side are had, there is no choice, nothing has got better for the general public regardless of who is parliament.

Vote red pill labour, blue pill tory, you still get purple pill elites.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
May 10, 2020 5:59 AM
Reply to  Geoff

Corbyn had a fine vision for his fellow Britons; his (or his advisors’) fatal mistake was to think that his vicious enemies (inside and outside the Labour Party) could be placated by throwing them one concession after another. Wrong strategy. Give blackmailers what they want and they just come back demanding more.

Labour’s manifesto was too cluttered: should have kept to a simple theme such as ‘rebuild a fairer Britain’. Whatever one’s views on Brexit, it was the absurd Brexit policy promoted by the Blairites that finally sunk Corbyn’s ship.

Geoff
Geoff
May 10, 2020 10:05 AM

I agree, the policies were great, he just wasn’t the person to put them in place

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 8, 2020 4:12 PM

I went for a walk today in the countryside as usual and was pleasantly surprised to find a VE day celebration in a local village going on in the street. I suppose I have better not mention it’s name in case there are any government spies reading this …

ame
ame
May 8, 2020 8:35 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

i doubt they would post on facebook or Instagram
nice to see people still celebrating or hanging out together as other people i seen now are now scared of family members or people due to thinking they can catch it

JohnB
JohnB
May 8, 2020 10:33 PM
Reply to  ame

We had 20 or so people gathered for a Mayday/VE Day/sunny bank holiday do. My wife was posting pics on Facebook as she took them. Dips, scones, cakes, tea, and 1 or 2 ales. To be fair, we are in rural Sussex, not a big town or a city.

JohnB
JohnB
May 8, 2020 10:33 PM
Reply to  JohnB

Five hours of Glen Miller was a bit ott though.

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
May 8, 2020 4:12 PM

I wondered how long before this lot got in on the act (from The Groan, live feed):

Fears of a homophobic backlash and the forced outing of gay people are growing in South Korea after a man infected with coronavirus was reported in the media to have attended clubs in Seoul’s gay district.

It was bound to happen. We’ve already had the women’s angle (this is a quite obnoxious article):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/lockdown-exit-designed-men-men/

And of course the race card has been played by, amongst others, that odious specimen Lammy:

https://amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/shelagh-fogarty/coronavirus-david-lammys-powerful-response-to-bame/

Terry
Terry
May 8, 2020 4:04 PM

Good that they chose today to commemorate the mass slaughtering of Algerian civilians in their homeland bye the French. Good ole Britain

hope
hope
May 8, 2020 3:51 PM

Its indeed very ironic to be locked up today. To tell the truth, they didnt even use a different method. Only the excuse this time was not the left or the Jews but that everyone was a danger to everyone because of some virus, which is frankly a progress for totalitarians, but a regression for everyone else. I had no idea humans had lost their minds and instincts to the point of proposing and applauding and agreeing that we all are mass murderers. Otherwise the method is the same: the use of emergency laws.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 8, 2020 3:32 PM

“Nothing says FREEDOM more, than locking down humanity and starving it to death.”

IANA
IANA
May 8, 2020 3:22 PM

The idea of ‘celebrating’ freedom locked in our homes, ‘warned’ by the govt not to break their rules is just too Kafkaesque. I live in a country now I no longer recognise or want to be a part of.

steadydirt
steadydirt
May 8, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  IANA

might check; is the door really locked…?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 8, 2020 4:29 PM
Reply to  steadydirt

the door is irrelevent. it is what has been programmed into 90% of people’s heads. i know it happened to one of the most sensible peoples in the world, from the late 1930’s to 1945, and continued afterwards with ths stasi in east germany, but i never thought it would happen to my country england, not in my lifetime.

but here we are people afraid to go outside their own front door.

disgusted,

Tony

JohnB
JohnB
May 8, 2020 10:40 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

It is disgusting, Tony. But it is only ‘some’ people who are afraid.

Sorry to hear your do did not happen. Ours was very nice, especially if you’re a Glen Miller fan.

IANA
IANA
May 8, 2020 6:15 PM
Reply to  steadydirt

Who said anything about ‘doors’?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 8, 2020 7:50 PM
Reply to  IANA

IANA,

Our door has been open all day with a Sign on it.

“WET PAINT!!!!”

Unlike The Rolling Stones we Painted it White.

I have to admit, my wife did look rather beautiful this afternoon, with the sunshine flowing through her beautiful blonde hair, but I was under very strict instructions today.

NO PHOTOGRAPHS, and I obeyed.

She ain’t daft, and I love her to bits.

She was getting a bit worried about the reaction.

So I’m saying Nowt.

She will probably do a Watch Party now, and tell everyone she know’s everything

I have already heard most of the gist, from why people complained, and I know who complained and why.

I told them to get back to work – you lazy sods.

It did not go down well.

Tony

gordon
gordon
May 8, 2020 3:04 PM

i had a fight with a man in the street earlier after he jumped on my back breaking all laws and proto culls of zion.

i was walking my dog churchill and noticed a man in his underpants clapping crying with a grime stained tv medical show mask on.
i walked over to him and asked if he was ok and he said he was clapping for dunkirk day i said do you mean v e he said no dunkirk.
i said victory over europe day he said no dunkirk and the bridges of arr haa numb and the bridges called to far. i tried to explain to him that victory over europe was different to victory over japan day and victory over asia day and god save the queen day and that he was simply getting all his hollywood movies mixed up.
once i pointed out that dunkirk day required silence not clapping he lost the plot broke all the laws and acts of the land and mounted my back space. i tossed him off like a kipper.
the point of the story is we need school or army type timetables and maps so we know what to do clap silence dance dance dance
shirley we are all getting dizzy with all these happenings all this history
dunkirk victory a bridge to far churchill one of the greatest cull experts in history

fascinating is it not

Blubber
Blubber
May 8, 2020 2:57 PM

Musk did an admirable job of correcting Rogan on the C19 subject yesterday – approx 1hr 14 minutes in. Not check social media yet but Im guessing he lit up twitter again.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 8, 2020 2:55 PM

would it not be better to commemorate the sacrifice of those who died fighting fascism and totalitarianism

Yup I celebrate and thank the Red Army and the Russian people 20 MILLION who were killed in saving us. Would not have happened otherwise.

What then would those who fought and died for these values think of us now?

They’d think who fucking gave away all the public housing and free education and the National Health Services.

there will be no trestle tables to sit around, no mingling or dancing with friends and neighbours and no concerts or gatherings in town squares or on village greens.

Thank fuck for that.
They’d be celebrating geddingidone and mahcuntterybaaaak.

Ah the best silver lining of self quarantine yet!

Isn’t it nice and peaceful? Without the flying monkey troll army on the boards today so far (except for the early rising yankee contingent) – go out and celebrate 77th that’s an order ! Sah yes sir!

clickkid
clickkid
May 8, 2020 3:06 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

“Yup I celebrate and thank the Red Army ”

From someone who fought in that army.

“At no time has the world been without war. Not in seven or ten or twenty thousand years. Neither the wisest of leaders, nor the noblest of kings, nor yet the Church — none of them has been able to stop it. And don’t succumb to the facile belief that wars will be stopped by hotheaded socialists. Or that rational and just wars can be sorted out from the rest. There will always be thousands of thousands to whom even such a war will be senseless and unjustified. Quite simply, no state can live without war, that is one of the state’s essential functions. … War is the price we pay for living in a state. Before you can abolish war you will have to abolish all states. But that is unthinkable until the propensity to violence and evil is rooted out of human beings. The state was created to protect us from evil. In ordinary life thousands of bad impulses, from a thousand foci of evil, move chaotically, randomly, against the vulnerable. The state is called upon to check these impulses — but it generates others of its own, still more powerful, and this time one-directional. At times it throws them all in a single direction — and that is war. ”

Alexander Solzhenitsyn – from ‘November 1916 The Red Wheel’ – Father Severyan.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
May 8, 2020 4:08 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Early communists had figured this out, they realized that confilct was ultimately a matter of class, not nationality, and idealistically dreamed of a world where national barriers would be irrelevant. This was seen as the principal danger from communism before the Russian revolution. Afterwards it became easy to focus on the new enemy especially as that new state was of necessity concerned priamrily with its own survival.

(Superimposed on this was Russia itself, a large country full of resources that has had to push back against invading forces every few decades.)

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 8, 2020 4:09 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

“Yup I celebrate and thank the Red Army and the Russian people 20 MILLION who were killed in saving us. Would not have happened otherwise.”

Agree!

paul
paul
May 9, 2020 2:25 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

They didn’t fight to save us.
They fought to save themselves.
They couldn’t give a toss about us.
They couldn’t give a toss about this country any time over the past 500 years since Elizabeth I established diplomatic relations with Ivan The Terrible.
They have never been remotely interested in this country or been any threat to it.
Just like China.
They had more important things on their plate.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
May 8, 2020 4:14 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

>They’d think who fucking gave away all the public housing and free education and the National Health Services.

I remember my mother telling me as a teenager in the 60s that all this would be clawed back. A generation took for granted what had been fought and died for, they never particpated in the struggle to get it so never realized just how precarious their ‘rights’ were. They were persuaded to sell their birthright for a handful of lottery tickets, the whole process being lubricated with North Sea Oil. Now its back to the 30s — but this time in color.

(Which is how I became part of the ‘yankee contingent’. I figured back in the early 80s that if I was going to have to live in an ersatz version of the USA I might as well avail myself of the opportunity to experience the real thing._)The climate’s better…)

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 8, 2020 5:22 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

But the holidays are shorter.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 8, 2020 4:35 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Dung, Check out Rhys Jagger on Craig Murray’s blog. I have been wanting to do that for over 10 years, but could never quite find the words.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 8, 2020 5:28 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I just quickly scanned through comments on CM’s blog (article ‘Civil Liberty Vanishes’) and came across a reference to someone’s comments that had been removed by the moderators. I was astounded. The post was from someone called ‘Tony M’. He bemoaned being censored so, presumably to prove their point, the moderators reproduced what had been taken down.

To start with, Tony M had actually presented his points (to the poster who triggered his response) in a hypothetical way i.e. ‘What would you say if…?’ And let’s face it that is a recognised way to initiate debate. But not for CM’s moderators.

Tony M then went to, albeit rhetorically, ‘hypothesise’ as follows:

What would you say if…
– we’d actually passed the peak of infection before lockdown;
-many old people have beaten it [the infection], even those with co-morbidities, and are now immune;
– anti-bodies to other respiratory viruses provide some primed immunity;
– the virus may have been around in GB since October 2019;
– many infections and deaths may have been iatrogenic [a consequence of treatment]?

Based on comments made by reputable scientists that we are familiar with from the OffG website, none of these is an outlandish or unrealistic possibility. But the CM mods’ reason for removing the comments when they were originally posted was:

Casting knowingly false allegations [my emphasis] is not conducive to constructive argument or debate. It’s contrary to blog etiquette.

To me this shows a serious degree of tunnel vision on the part of the CM mods which they were not afraid to demonstrate, but it has to be asked why they couldn’t at the very least simply ask for a citation, as OffG Admin do. It’s certainly no better than a Grauniad type reaction.

breweriana
breweriana
May 8, 2020 8:55 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Why do you even bother with ‘Pig Channel’?

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 8, 2020 9:49 PM
Reply to  breweriana

I don’t as a rule, b, but I was intrigued to see what our co-commenter on OffG, Rhys Jaggar, had to say as per @tonyopmoc’s comment. Rhys always posts very astute and admirably acerbic comments which I enjoy reading…and his comments on CM’s site were no exception!

gordon
gordon
May 8, 2020 6:39 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

pawns in the game

THE WALL STREET YANKSTERS AND THE BRITISH ZIO CITY OF LONDON SATANISTS
LET THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE DO THE HEAVY LIFTING

ONE OPERATION

The invasion covered a battle front distance of two thousand miles.

Operation Barbarossa
Total for 1941:
Axis Powers
More than 1,000,000
220,645 Axis killed in action
56,348 Axis missing
761,825 Axis wounded
2,093 German aircraft destroyed
2,839 German tanks lost

USSR
~5,000,000
465,381 killed in action
101,471 dead of wounds
235,339 non-combat dead (disease, executions, accidents etc.)
2,335,482 missing
1,256,421 wounded
66,169 sick
13,557 frostbite
1,336,147 sanitary reasons

~500,000 conscripts captured during mobilization
21,200 aircraft destroyed
20,500 tanks lost

JohnB
JohnB
May 8, 2020 10:45 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Thank fuck for that.

Maybe your neighbours feel the same.

They’d be celebrating geddingidone and mahcuntterybaaaak.

Meh. We were celebrating the weather, the sponge cakes and the beer.

jay
jay
May 8, 2020 2:52 PM

Hitler killed 6 million. Stalin, our ally killed 100 million.
Then at the ‘end’ of the war, Stalin anexed half of Europe installing dictators. He then pointed nucliar weapons at us with the threat of destruction at any moment for the next 50 years…
Hurrah for VD day…H bloody Rahhhh….
Did you know that thousands of Jews fought in the German army because, they saw Stalin as the greater threat or that the Biggest Bank in Berlin, Jewish owned bankrolled the Nazis…
History is a load of nonsense…
We are mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed horseshit…
Then we have today…
At least many more of us have seen the tyrant uncloak…

John Deehan
John Deehan
May 8, 2020 3:13 PM
Reply to  jay

Wall street financed both the Bolshevik and National Socialist regimes as did American corporations built up their respective industrial base. The Jews were in many key positions in Soviet Russia, prior to during and after the purges. Their hands were just as bloody as many others. Hitler murdered far more than 6,000,000. For example, over 25,000,000 people died in Russia many were civilians. Over 10% of Polands population out of approximately 40,000,000 was killed not all of them were Jews plus over 3,5000,000 Russian prisoners of war were taken 1000,000s of them did not return. Western Imperialism provoked the annexation of Eastern Europe by Stalin because Churchill refused to accept the Greek communists as a legitimate government in Greece plus he and Truman broke many agreements they had with Stalin. History is a tool to control the narrative hence why governments have 30,50,100 year rules concerning the release of official government documents. Even now many documents relating to WW1 are being suppressed. It wouldn’t do for the masses to know the true reasons of both world wars or any war for that matter.

gordon
gordon
May 8, 2020 6:54 PM
Reply to  John Deehan

a couple of books

war is a racket smedley butler
major raceys diaries
wall street and the rise of hitler
Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution

how can a tank move a plane without leaded fuel

rockerfella standard oil sold fuels and technology to the british and the germans and russians during the war

the battle of britain could not have happened without standard oil usa patented leaded fuels used by all parties

hitlers tanks ran on fuel made from coal a usa patented technology

even hitler in colour was imaged on 16mm kodachrome film made in rochester new york shot on swiss bolex cameras

what a racket

Charles Higham, Trading With The Enemy : An Expose Of The Nazi American Money Plot

John Deehan
John Deehan
May 8, 2020 9:26 PM
Reply to  gordon

Here some others “ Conjuring Hitler” by Professor Guido Preparata and “ Hidden History : The Secret Origins of The First World War” by Gerry Dochert and James MacGregor. Not forgetting of course “ Tragedy and Hope” by Professor Carol Quigley.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
May 8, 2020 4:23 PM
Reply to  jay

neither hitler, nor stalin killed those. henchmen/ people did, just as ever. and many went along/cheered/agreed/approved, just like now.

John Deehan
John Deehan
May 8, 2020 5:04 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

Both Hitler and gave the orders. Just as Churchill did for the indiscriminate killing of civilians in German cities, just as Roosevelt and Truman did for the firebombing of Japanese civilians and cities plus the dropping of the A bombs again on civilians and cities. All carried out by their henchmen with a cheer in their throats .

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 8, 2020 4:25 PM
Reply to  jay

“Hitler killed 6 million. Stalin, our ally killed 100 million.”

Hitler killed six million Jews. I don’t know the figures, but the Russian death toll of 20 million as quoted by dungroanin elsewhere on this thread I think is about right.

There is a very good documentary on the Russian sacrifice here:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3p7bw7

I don’t know where you got the figure for Stalin or if it is in any way accurate.

jay
jay
May 8, 2020 5:50 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Alexander Solzhenitsyn puts the figures at 100 million.

John Deehan
John Deehan
May 8, 2020 9:28 PM
Reply to  jay

How did he get evidence to prove it?

molloy
molloy
May 9, 2020 2:28 AM
Reply to  John Deehan

Matt Hangcock?

Daily Fail?

BBC?

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
May 8, 2020 4:26 PM
Reply to  jay

nor did charles manson btw. what’ worse, a talking head, however persuasive or them as actually do the deed?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 8, 2020 10:59 PM
Reply to  jay

As pig ignorant as it is vicious and stupid. Stalin had NO nukes until 1949, and it was ‘us’ that actively planned to nuke the Soviet.

John Deehan
John Deehan
May 9, 2020 7:44 AM
Reply to  jay

Let’s look at a few facts instead of Western Imperialistic propaganda. The USSR was funded by Wall Street and supplied with weapons, technology and materials by but not exclusively the USA and the UK before during and after WW2 right up to its collapse in 1999. The US plus the UK funded Hitler and supplied the Nazis with technology. The winners were the Western Ttansnationl banks. The main leaders in the Soviet union prior to and during WW2 were Jews and led the purges plus created the Holimodor. Contrary to popular belief a one man dictatorship can’t run and create policies by themselves. The USSR won WW2 and lost nearly 30,000 000 people in the process both soldiers approximately 2/3 and the rest civilians that’s 10 000,000 killed and murdered by the Nazis. Moreover, the Western Imperialists also allowed the USSR to suffer this devastating loss and only invaded on D Day because they were frightened that the Soviets would conquer all of the Nazi occupied countries in Western Europe. Stalin murdered millions of people but so did Hitler and the West and the benefactors were the transnational banks. Stalin was a tyrant as was Hitler but so was Churchill there are no good guys it’s only in Hollywood they spin bad guy good guy stories which naive and gullible people think is real!

John Deehan
John Deehan
May 9, 2020 8:12 AM
Reply to  John Deehan

Correction the USSR collapsed about 1991.

Borncynic
Borncynic
May 8, 2020 2:35 PM

BBC running an article from their ‘disinformation reporter’ trying to justify social media wiping of ‘conspiricy theories’. No attempt to hide their CNNification now.

bob
bob
May 8, 2020 2:25 PM

i’ve been trying all morning to find links to the legal action being undertaken by a firm i can’t remember who wrote a legal letter to the government giving one week to reply re. the lockup – it appears the government have not responded rather asked for more time – one week i believe – the response of the firm is to await a response by tuesday 12 may – can anyone help clarify this – i just can’t find anything

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 8, 2020 2:27 PM
Reply to  bob

Simon Dolan is his name.

bob
bob
May 8, 2020 2:42 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

thanks, you are correct – silly me!

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/lockdownlegalchallenge/

here’s the letter of reply from the regime handlers

https://static.crowdjustice.com/group_claim_document/Letter_to_Wedlake_Bell_LLP_6_May_2020_redacted.PDF

it appears the HoL have not debated the restrictions and will not until 12th May – so is the lockup legal i ask myself – we do have a parliament don’t we??

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 8, 2020 5:25 PM
Reply to  bob

Good questions.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 8, 2020 5:48 PM
Reply to  bob

It’s very heartening to read the ‘BTL’ comments on the ‘crowdjustice’ page.

I shall paraphrase the last two substantive paras in the Govt lawyers’ letter:

“You’ve had six weeks to challenge the coronavirus legislation so you’ve got a nerve to present us with deadlines. You can’t do anything else without a reply from us so don’t expect to receive a reply any time soon, if ever. In the meantime we’ve humoured you by theoretically setting a deadline of 14 May but don’t hold your breath. “

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 8, 2020 2:42 PM
Reply to  bob
Rich
Rich
May 8, 2020 4:07 PM
Reply to  bob

Simon Dolan Jota Aviation

Maxwell
Maxwell
May 8, 2020 2:22 PM

Here in the US our vaunted military has done some great work to tamp down this menacing plague. Well, not exactly the military, rather private contractors but let’s not split hairs- what’s the difference?

To a tune of over $660 million the US Army Corps of Engineers (largely through private contractors) set up 17 field hospitals for the prophesied arrival of the Black Plague. 4 never opened. Of those that did most never treated a single patient.

During the “Black Plague 2020” contractors raked it in.

– FACILITY NAME – LOCATION – CONTRACTOR – TOTAL COST – MAXIMUM BEDS UNDER CONTRACT* – TOTAL PATIENTS

SUNY Stony Brook Stony Brook, N.Y. Turner Construction Co. $155,500,000 1,038 Beds 0 Patients

SUNY Old Westbury Old Westbury, N.Y. AECOM Technical Services Inc. $118,504,737 1,022 Beds
0 Patients

McCormick Place Chicago Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority $65,526,533 3,000 Beds
37 Patients

Westchester County Center White Plains, N.Y. Haugland Energy Group LLC $46,971,895 100 Beds 0 Patients

Colorado Convention Center Denver ECC Environmental LLC $34,609,792 2,000 Beds 0 Patients

Walter Washington Convention Center Washington, D.C. Hensel Phelps Construction Co. $31,793,893 443 Beds Not yet complete

Commercial Appeal Building Memphis, Tenn. AECOM Technical Services Inc. $26,134,527 40 Beds Not yet complete

Miami Beach Convention Center Miami Beach, Fla. The Robins & Morton Group $25,925,692 450 Beds
0 Patients

Sherman Hospital Elgin, Ill. Turner Construction Co. $18,255,251 283 Beds 0 Patients

Westlake Hospital Melrose Park, Ill. Bulley & Andrews $16,391,366 314 Beds 0 Patients

MetroSouth Medical Center Blue Island, Ill. Clark Construction Group LLC $14,989,955 350 Beds
0 Patients

Wisconsin State Fair Expo Center West Allis, Wis. Gilbane Inc. $14,912,326 530 Beds 0 Patients

The Ranch Events Complex Loveland, Colo. AECOM Technical Services Inc. $13,331,415 1,007 Beds Not yet complete

Suburban Collection Showplace Novi, Mich. Gilbane Federal $11,754,262 1,100 Beds 6 Patients

Javits Center New York City New York Convention Center Operating Corporation $11,364,953 1,900 Beds 1,095 Patients

East Orange General Hospital East Orange, N.J. Cutting Edge Group LLC $10,993,404 250 Beds Not yet complete

TCF Center Detroit Gilbane Inc. $9,452,813 1,000 Beds 39 Patients

Source: Army Corps of Engineers, USAspending.gov, Federal Procurement Data System

https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/field-hospitals-20200501/

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851712311/u-s-field-hospitals-stand-down-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR3CpzC8kmGNE_oRJsNWlrU_T95zCPRJgLKVAUgznpCTkPvCPlmDH4X8aOQ

Objective
Objective
May 8, 2020 2:15 PM

What then would those who fought and died for these values think of us now?

I had grand parents who fought, one who fought in both Wars with the artillery, I remember as a nipper him telling me about the little bronzed statuette of his horse & photos to match in his uniform.

Sadly I think they may have been just as docile & complicit in their own house detention. They believed in those wars because they were sold to them by the establishment in much the same way as this scam which will have as great a devastating impact on the rest of the lives as war did on those that willingly bought into it & just as those brave but deceived individuals who didn’t come back & those that came back with life long scars, So to will people today.

It may seem like a long holiday ATM but government isn’t paying their wages they are paying their wages with even greater future austerity & taxes! Theres no alternative & no credible political opposition .

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 8, 2020 5:59 PM
Reply to  Objective

It may seem like a long holiday ATM but government isn’t paying their wages, they are paying their wages with even greater future austerity & taxes

Too true but people are blind to this. Sad to say, I think that most people believe that there is a bottomless pit of money available to the Government to spend as they (the Govt) wish so it’s a win/win situation in the minds of the majority. The truth will become apparent to them in due course, but only when it’s too late to stop the fallout.

breweriana
breweriana
May 8, 2020 9:03 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

They do not pay them with money, they are paid in currency.
The distinction is fundamentally important, and is one of the reasons for pulling the ‘covid’ hoax.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 8, 2020 2:12 PM

The Coronavirus Act 2020 is our Enabling Act 1933. Part 2 Section 90 of the Act includes two clauses that provide the government with the power to do anything, forever. The first states that a national authority may by regulation alter the expiry date. The second states that a national authority may by regulation alter any power. A national authority is a minister of the Crown. This legislation was passed by parliament without scrutiny or division. And that is how easily fascism was introduced. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/04/coronavirus-fascism.html

bob
bob
May 8, 2020 2:22 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

has the House of Lords passed the lockdown restrictions? if not then this scenario is illegal – no?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 8, 2020 2:08 PM

If our neighbours haven’t got the courage to bring their tables and chairs out into the street, then rather than “raise a glass and toast your neighbours from a distance”, they are more likely to get a V sign from me, so on balance, I think it is probably best that I do not participate.

Yesterday, I queued up to buy food at the local supermarket. Once inside everyone’s faces became within a few inches of each other, and hardly anyone was wearing masks including the cashier, who in theory would have been the most infectious for the past 3 months.

So if we can’t celebrate what my Dad fought for 75 years ago in a proper manner, count me out. He would be even more disgusted than me, about what is happening now.

Tony

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
May 8, 2020 3:33 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Spot on.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
May 8, 2020 2:07 PM

ironic what with global corporate fascism on the march.

Reg
Reg
May 8, 2020 1:47 PM

The Americans will be celebrating their freedom on the Fourth of July. Should be interesting.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 8, 2020 6:08 PM
Reply to  Reg

… assuming we still have any freedom left to celebrate by then. 🙁

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 8, 2020 1:32 PM

History is written by the victors. I’m increasingly starting to question all official narratives, Particularly when they involve the “us good, them bad” dichotomy. And disingenuous glorification of “our heroes”, whose lives probably meant nothing to those in power sending them to their deaths. It’s just a distraction, just propaganda. Better to follow the money if you want to know what’s really going on. There seem to be a lot of unnerving parallels between ww2 and the coronavirus situation. I feel very sad for all the people who have lost their lives, or had their lives destroyed, because of the policies implemented during both.

clickkid
clickkid
May 8, 2020 2:06 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

It goes way back ..

“For centuries, received opinion has had it that the Yorkist king ordered the murder of his young nephews, Edward and Richard, in a ruthless bid to secure his throne. But might the two princes instead have lived on into the Tudor era?”

https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/did-richard-iii-really-kill-princes-in-tower-debate-historians/

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 8, 2020 2:14 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

If history really were written by the victors, surely the history of the victory over fascist Germany would be written by the Soviet Union?

Reg
Reg
May 8, 2020 2:27 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Maybe the Russians have their own version of that moment in history.

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 8, 2020 2:31 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I’m guessing the Soviet Union wrote it’s own history books – can’t imagine them buying British or American ones!

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 8, 2020 2:40 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

Soviet historians certainly did write this history. So too did Japanese historians and Indian and American and German and French, etc. The point is history is written by historians.

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 8, 2020 3:00 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I thought that the Germans were shamed into adopting the Allied version?

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 8, 2020 3:03 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

I think historians are probably much like scientists – some are honest, others are bought, and there are lots of grey areas subject to human interpretation

steadydirt
steadydirt
May 8, 2020 4:14 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

“…much like scientists; dependent on funding

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 8, 2020 6:01 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

David Irving is an interesting case in point, love him or hate him. He claims he is one of the few historians who always go direct to original sources, whereas most of them just quote each other. Being able to speak and read German helps him, but he’s also written that he has accessed a lot of Soviet records, during a relatively brief period when they were opened up, only to be sealed off again some time later.

He correctly identified the Hitler Diaries as a hoax, while some of the more mainstream historians were taken in.

He was actually lauded in the mainstream in the early days, and became quite rich and famous, and even the left were happy with his books, such as the one on the Dresden firestorm, which discredited people like Sir Arthur Harris, chief of RAF Bomber Command.

Of course, his career took a dive when he began to investigate more “sensitive” subjects.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 8, 2020 6:12 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

David Irving is the shit! I remember back when he debunked those fake Hitler diaries. The year was 1983, I think.

https://www.unz.com/announcement/the-remarkable-historiography-of-david-irving/

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 8, 2020 3:16 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

Jörg Friedrich’s “The Fire: The Bombing of Germany, 1940-1945″ hardly fits that description.

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 8, 2020 3:32 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Yet Germany also marks VE Day

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 8, 2020 3:40 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

Historians do not control societies. In fact, very few people even read their works, preferring fictions and (corporate) journalism for their pseudo-knowledge of history.

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 8, 2020 3:45 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I was thinking more about the history taught to the masses in school, the type that doesn’t encourage questioning and critical thinking

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 8, 2020 3:50 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

History in schools is not taught by historians. It is taught by teachers and school history curricula are closely controlled by the elites.

Reg
Reg
May 8, 2020 3:46 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Sure, but most people in the West get their history from Hollywood and TV, where they’ve written out the Soviet role in winning WWII. And if you’re of independent, scholarly mind and went poking around, you’ll run into, say, David Irving. If you make it known that you’re studying him, you’re done for. You’ll be vilified until the end of your life unless you beg forgiveness and denounce him. There’s an Overton Window for historians too.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 8, 2020 3:52 PM
Reply to  Reg

Reg, how do you know there is an Overton Window for historians?

Reg
Reg
May 8, 2020 4:04 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I guess we’d know for sure if Simon Schama said something unacceptable and the media came down on him like a ton of bricks.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 8, 2020 4:17 PM
Reply to  Reg

The corporate media have no influence on the works of historians. Historians care about the arguments they have with other historians. That’s what drives historical scholarship. For example, when E P Thompson wrote The Making of the English Working Class it caused massive debate and controversy amongst historians in the area, but the arguments barely registered in the corporate media.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 8, 2020 6:14 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

He must’ve asked David Irving.

Reg
Reg
May 8, 2020 1:30 PM

The next phase of this psyop. Orchids for all who work at Mt Sinai in New York. Lincoln’s there to capture this momentous event. The final frames of this episode show someone with something like a gas mask on their face. A fitting picture of the hopelessness of humanity.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 8, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Reg

It’s truly amazing how the ignorant masses freely line up like lemmings to fully believe in what their governments tell them. In many way’s it’s not the people at the top we should worry about but the masses who blindly follow.

Reg
Reg
May 8, 2020 4:06 PM
Reply to  David Meredith

Exactly. The mob is a scary thing if you’re not part of it.

Grafter
Grafter
May 8, 2020 5:48 PM
Reply to  Reg

George Orwell. What a visionary. That video is scary.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
May 8, 2020 1:07 PM

our park has actual one way arrows!

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 8, 2020 1:32 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

You have got to be kidding me. (I know you’re not.) Ended up getting into a lengthy and pleasant conversation with a stranger when I went on my walk yesterday. When neither of us drove off the (ample) path to achieve exaggerated distance, he made a joke and we ended up stopping to talk. We both stepped off the path and, while no one was measuring, we maintained the standard distance of any two unacquainted persons conversing. Turned out we agreed on a lot of things, disagreed on others, but had a nice congenial adult chat. He was saying how much he missed bars being open and I responded that I think a lot of these ridiculous rules are designed to keep us atomized and captive to the media representation of public opinion. I cannot tell you the number of solo and duo walkers who passed us (again, we were off the path) and gave us the dirtiest glares, as though we were flagrantly committing some sort of public indecency. It got to the point where I started doing a little finger wave.

Mrs Gardener
Mrs Gardener
May 9, 2020 7:22 PM
Reply to  NowhereOH

Another cycling outing today, different side of town, and not one sight of a covid message, just broken edges where they had been ripped off. This is good, it stops the constant reinforcement.

I am trying to stop and talk to anyone, it’s turning out that walk around the block takes ages!

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 8, 2020 2:43 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

I’m not in the least surprised. Get ready for fines for walking the wrong way down a shopping isle in supermarket. Soon we will have, traffic lights, tailgating markers, Gatso speed cameras and shopping trolley police in supermarkets.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 8, 2020 10:14 PM
Reply to  David Meredith

Actually, they put a round-about in my old high school long before COVID-19. I thought it was hysterical, since the Language Arts hallway was a mosh-pit even in my day.
Help! Help! It’s the trolly police!
Love it. 😉

gordon
gordon
May 8, 2020 3:10 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

try the other
way
do it
break the spell

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 8, 2020 3:51 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

The world really is going mad!

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 8, 2020 4:39 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Cheezilla, collective madness is not unusual. But it is only obvious when one does not share the collective delusions. For all those who do, it appears to be sanity, and those who don’t share the delusions are perceived as mad, bad and dangerous.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 8, 2020 10:39 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

well at least we can come to off-guardian to meet some sane people.

breweriana
breweriana
May 8, 2020 1:03 PM

They can f**k off with their phony ‘celebration.
Give us back what they fought for – our freedom.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 8, 2020 1:32 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Exactly. How can you celebrate something you no longer remember the meaning of?

Objective
Objective
May 8, 2020 2:21 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Honestly, they fought for their serfdom, when have we been free? They’ve just turned the thumb screws a little more probably just to see if they could & a psychopathic giggle.

BuelahMan
BuelahMan
May 8, 2020 1:01 PM

Are you aware of Gen Patton’s assessment of the situation just before they killed him?

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
May 8, 2020 1:12 PM
Reply to  BuelahMan

No one killed him. He died as a result of a car crash.

BuelahMan
BuelahMan
May 8, 2020 1:16 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Are you aware of his assessment of the situation before he died? Do you know what he wrote his wife?

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
May 8, 2020 1:20 PM
Reply to  BuelahMan

No. But where’s this idea that he was killed come from?

BuelahMan
BuelahMan
May 8, 2020 1:29 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

From what he was saying after he saw the truth. In but one example he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945: “Berlin gave me the blues. We have destroyed what could have been a good race, and we are about to replace them with Mongolian savages. And all Europe will be communist. It’s said that for the first week after they took it (Berlin), all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped. I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”

molloy
molloy
May 8, 2020 1:37 PM
Reply to  BuelahMan

Convincing?!!!

BuelahMan
BuelahMan
May 8, 2020 1:48 PM
Reply to  molloy

On August 31 he wrote: “Actually, the Germans are the only decent people left in Europe. it’s a choice between them and the Russians. I prefer the Germans.”

And on September 2: “What we are doing is to destroy the only semi-modern state in Europe, so that Russia can swallow the whole.”

molloy
molloy
May 8, 2020 1:52 PM
Reply to  BuelahMan

Russophobia?

BuelahMan
BuelahMan
May 8, 2020 1:54 PM
Reply to  molloy

Yeah. How can he have such an opinion about Stalin and the Russians? Did he deserve to die?

Objective
Objective
May 8, 2020 2:23 PM
Reply to  BuelahMan

Yeah Hitler was a real stand up guy wasn’t he…oh do fuck off & take your national socialism with you.

BuelahMan
BuelahMan
May 8, 2020 8:33 PM
Reply to  Objective

Now (((who))) would use such a diversion?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 8, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  BuelahMan

So Patton was a typically racist Yankee fascist. Hardly a scoop.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 8, 2020 2:01 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

The OSS wishes to assure you that Gen Patton’s death was a mistake: The truth about General Patton’s death – OSS Society (PDF) as indeed it may have been.
Alan, one question. Here we are questioning the Covid narrative and learning, by the by, how important it is not to take narratives for granted without holding them up to the light, turning them this way and that, and generally interrogating ourselves. Why are you so dismissive of anyone doing the same in the case of Gen Patton’s death?

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
May 8, 2020 3:09 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Thanks. Just read the pdf. I would say the conspiracy theories surrounding Patton’s death are on a par with those surrounding the death of Princess Diana.

gordon
gordon
May 8, 2020 3:24 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

killing patton a strange death yes sir i believe a book was written on the subject .
you see the damn fool kept going off script refused to play the game.
i believe a wooden projectile did the damages at hospital the ox fought well during recovery
they snuffed him out usa,uk russian zio nazi all working in lockstep

Rich Keal
Rich Keal
May 8, 2020 1:14 PM
Reply to  BuelahMan

He made it through the crash and finished him off in the hospital.

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
May 8, 2020 1:16 PM
Reply to  Rich Keal

Yes, complications from a broken neck. Surely there’s no conspiracy theory about this?

Reg
Reg
May 8, 2020 1:26 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

He died of covid

AngryAngry
AngryAngry
May 8, 2020 1:41 PM
Reply to  Reg

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

George Mc
George Mc
May 8, 2020 2:00 PM
Reply to  Reg

He died of covid

Unneccesary. Since “He died” = “of covid”

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 8, 2020 5:51 PM
Reply to  Reg

Covid-19(45)?

AngryAngry
AngryAngry
May 8, 2020 1:40 PM
Reply to  BuelahMan

They have found his driver, made
A Death bed statement. CiA wanted him taken out.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 8, 2020 6:19 PM
Reply to  BuelahMan

Ever wondered what happened to Gen. Patton after that?

https://www.unz.com/runz/was-general-patton-assassinated/

martin
martin
May 9, 2020 7:18 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Some light VE Day reading:

John Wear ‘The Origins, Aftermath and Atrocities of World War 2’
Thomas Goodrich ‘Hellstorm: The Death of Nazi Germany, 1944-1947’
Ralph Keeling ‘Gruesome Harvest’. An US observer.
James Bacque ‘Crimes and Mercies : the fate of German civilians under Allied Occupation, 1944-1950’
James Bacque ‘Other Losses: An Investigation into the mass deaths of German prisoners at the hands of the French and Americans after World War II’

I grew up on the war, The Victor, autobiographies of famous fliers, Battle of Britain Day air shows at aerodromes around Lincolnshire. Guy Gibson was billeted where we lived. It was Max Hastings ‘Bomber Command’ that started my wake up later in life, not the pointless slaughter of women and children but the life expectancy of the crews. Like sending kids out in a suicide belt. Once you start reading you can’t stop. It’s good to find people on here that care.

I was always interested in older gen people’s attitude to the war – never quite what you expected. Not a lot of support or pride in it I would say, duty at most. Very few had a ‘good war’, even that saying had a mark of slight cynicism.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 9, 2020 1:24 PM
Reply to  martin

That was my own grandfather’s attitude as well. He was a vet who had served during the war, but whenever he heard that awkward phrase ‘the Good War,’ he always said there’s nothing good about war except the end of it.