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WATCH: Bill Gates’ Plan to Vaccinate the World

In January of 2010, Bill and Melinda Gates announced a $10 billion pledge to usher in a decade of vaccines. But far from an unalloyed good, the truth is that this attempt to reorient the global health economy was part of a much bigger agenda. An agenda that would ultimately lead to greater profits for big pharma companies, greater control for the Gates Foundation over the field of global health, and greater power for Bill Gates to shape the course of the future for billions of people around the planet.

This is part two of the Corbett Report’s series on Bill Gates role in the coronavirus crisis, watch part one here. For a transcript, audio-only version, as well links, sources and show notes click here.

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Jan
Jan
Jun 7, 2020 8:05 PM

Bill, don’t you have enough money? If you really want to do something good, just stop hurting people. ‘First, do no harm’, is not a bad pledge for anyone. Stop your vaccination/extermination plans, and just enjoy your family in the little time you have left. Think about it. Why do mass-killings, maimings, and lying about it give you such a thrill? Don’t you want to go out with a somewhat clean conscience, if that’s even possible at this point?

Pamela
Pamela
May 20, 2020 1:01 AM

That wouldn’t be an upside cross she’s wearing would it? {she = M.Gates}

JDS
JDS
May 11, 2020 2:39 PM

Right now the only solution is violence

We must be prepared to hold hostage and publicly execute government officials and police

What’s the point of the 2nd ammendment if we don’t use it?

Gall
Gall
May 11, 2020 1:49 AM

Gates reminds me of a ultra psychotic sociopathic version of Woody Allen except he’s not funny. Ironic maybe but not funny at all.

Jax
Jax
May 15, 2020 1:06 PM
Reply to  Gall

Yes, in interviews he has this Woody Allenish way of talking with his hands and whining neurotically. And that constant simpering smile … blech.

I think they pick these sweater/hoodie weirdos as frontmen because they think they look harmless.

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 10, 2020 4:04 PM

Mass Extermination Program – Realize now that in U.S. Nursing homes those who are a “confirmed” covid is basically entry into the new Euthanasia program.

Here’s a little data on Michigan:

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/patients-1-3-michigan-nursing-homes-have-coronavirus-records-show

These people will be put to death via breathing apparatus or perhaps new drug program, as they have had absolutely no access to public or their families for 3 months in Michigan.

It is here. This is actually happening.

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 10, 2020 4:25 PM
Reply to  WorldParole

These numbers are quotas…

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/health/2020/04/20/iowa-gov-kim-reynolds-coronavirus-covid-19-news-conference-maps-data-matrix-stay-at-home/5163891002/

Just look at the map of Iowa with little circles of “confirmed” cases. They are extracting your data, and an algorithm is deciding whether or not you are “positive”

Thanks 5G and smarthphones! Thanks Google! Thanks Zuckerberg, Bezos, Waltons, and criminal neo liberal cabal!

MICHELE K. FIRTH
MICHELE K. FIRTH
May 10, 2020 10:59 AM

Vaccination is one of those holy grail, unreflexive beliefs, that are just not open to discussion. There are many, many reasons to mistrust this attempt to foist a worldwide, really untested vaccine on everybody at the same time and, given that the CV-19 panic managed to change our world, job prospects, right to move about or see others, from one day to the next, we SHOULD be extremely wary of the motives behind Gates and the big corporations and laboratories that fund our leaders.
https://ocultoaplenavista.blogspot.com/2020/05/vaccines-and-road-to-hell.html?m=1

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
May 10, 2020 2:52 PM

No need to be wary, Michele, the motive is as plain as the hornrim frames around those glinting eyes: profit, lovely profit. The influenza virus scam works this way: One, Two, Three.

1. This virus mutates very, very fast; a new strain every month.

2. Therefore Bill’s Latest Vaccine is already obsolete (which 9 Billion people were compulsorily chipped to buy for $300 a shot).

3. So everyone of us are obliged to buy the new vaccine; or else be automatically tasered by our imbedded chips.

It’s called the Microsoft Virus Protection racket, because what applies to influenza viruses applies equally to computer viruses. Bill has been practicing that racket for years.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
May 14, 2020 6:15 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Dr. NGM nails it, as ever,

Nice & vexing, 😉 Good to see you alive & kicking faked crutches.

Greetings from BG.
And The Balkan.
TDJ & DTJ
Vexing times,
Doc. & For many.
Indeed,
Neeever in the field of human conflict, has so much been owed,
by so few to so many … with yet more socialism for the rich, furthering deceit.

P.s. i’ll leave you with 2 just thoughts,

“Dusk draws in upon the rising Moon,
Stars smother the vault of Heaven.
Forests rustle, swayed by rising Wind.
The Balkan Harps the Rebels’ Hymn”
(Botev, circa 1876) –

Commenting on the Sofia based intelligentsia, who were ignoring the Ottomans’ final march of Empire, all for simple self interests & self indulgent reasoning. First published in the satiric newspaper called ‘The Alarm Clock’):- Translation by Balkydj: 2nd June 2016…
A tortuous affair 🙂 but, ‘worth it’ 🙂

Like Nikola Tesla’s profound scientific observations …

Not even sure I should remind you of something you most certainly know, Doc. (lol)
Admin 1’s mind is still out on this one…

“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” Nikola was way smarter than most… even, still today 😉 Will we learn ?

Hang on in there Doc, , the US has backed down most quietly & yet significantly, on Ren Zhengfei’s daughter and Huawei CFO, a big signal in itself and recognition of the fact that the US needs China, I mean immediately, in so many ways, apart from a 90% dependence on Chinese Pharma production, (shooting oneself, proverbially, 😉 ):~~~ this could all get real interesting, real damn fast, after November & I can’t wait to see what Trump ‘accidentally’ stumbles into next, financially, in his wicked long game of chess, against those he despises most, mostly within, public funded wasters of military intelligence, costing the Taxpayer, etc. : >>> I mean specifically, if I owned any real realty steel framed structures with something approaching 81 Steel Columns, , just like WTC7, that could all buckle & implode together simultaneously in their own footprint, with a full global collapse, like a controlled demolition, in less than 10 seconds flat, due to fire, with 2 whole seconds of FREEFirkin’FALL, in the name of Physics, Science in general at the University of Fairbanks, Alaska, and property owners, Architects & Engineers and insurance companies, I sure as hell Would want to know more about WTC 7 and moreover, its’ Contents: & Collapse Causation, to be discussed obligatorily publicly, by all MSM for a minimum of 10 years, every damn day, no make that 15 damn years of purgatory, waking the people the hell up, to their collective empirical fukd’up ignorance over the abuse of science & of the malicious murderous kind, by over empowering their military intelligence & elected officials, funding Faked Wars, with Phoney Terror fear campaigns NPH,Next Panic Horror, New Pearl Harbour & central bank financial scamming, jamming, jiving, ducking & diving for cover, as soon as the proverbial feral faecal matter hits the rotating Oscillator and is deflected in the house of proverbial fans of such corruption! Which it will …
I cannot grasp how little people have truly grasped.

(Phew & sighs), ‘scuze the rant Doc. , but nerves are wholly frayed:
must be some virus, likely a 77th’ airborne ‘thingy’ of the mind, over real matters … 😉
I’ve quite probably been badly Triangulated &Elon-Gate’d, already: since the most recent arrival of one of Elon’s 46,000 new Sputniks, easily visible here on Stara Planina, at Dusk, before any star gets to shine, on the frontline looking WestWestNorth, between the Polyclinic and my local beer & w(h)ine shop, appropriately named,
‘Nirvana’ 🙂
Wishing you Health, Vex. with no Vax.
or Virus of your inimitable mindset,
clear4all to see, like real stars,
Carry on Shining &
Jivi Strav.
Best wishes,
Tim.

George Mc
George Mc
May 10, 2020 10:26 AM

You’re still not afraid enough! One of the shills over on Craig Murray has provided this link:

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-many-patients-reporting-neurological-symptoms-136692

Guillain–Barré syndrome! That’s where it’s at! For now anyway.

Tomorrow? Who knows? Left testicle nuclear reaction syndrome? Flying excrement palpitation corpuscular syndrome?

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 10, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I think most of the government ministers have the second illness you mention. They seem to be spewing excrement out everyday on those briefings.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 6:38 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I haven’t read the article, but the neurological symptoms are far more likely to have come from the toxic drugs probably administered to the patients than from the “virus”.

George Mc
George Mc
May 10, 2020 7:28 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Yeah but you don’t want to spoil their fun!

Lia Young
Lia Young
May 10, 2020 9:49 AM

A lot of people here (not just here) are keen to gather together to hate. It’s how fascism operates. Jews, immigrants, scroungers. Remember how “we” hated Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad. Easy to whip up it seems.

George Mc
George Mc
May 10, 2020 10:31 AM
Reply to  Lia Young

Maybe some things are worth hating, LY? Trolls for example?

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 10, 2020 1:41 PM
Reply to  Lia Young

Yawn

Thom
Thom
May 10, 2020 9:36 AM

Except that Bill Gates isn’t the most powerful person in the world. Nowhere near. So unless he was being backed by the American state, his masterplan for global domination would never get much further than Seattle.

David A
David A
May 10, 2020 11:26 AM
Reply to  Thom

Unfortunately, he’s doing rather well so far.

George Mc
George Mc
May 10, 2020 1:17 PM
Reply to  Thom

Call me paranoid but I reckon if you can actually SEE them, then they are not the most powerful.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 10, 2020 2:56 PM
Reply to  Thom

I agree. That’s why I think Bill Gates and his foundation is just a front for a nexus of very powerful interest groups.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
May 10, 2020 5:36 AM

Eva reports on political common sense in Damascus, where restrictions are being lifted. People appear to be happy and much freer than in her native land of North America. They don’t appear to be very concerned about Covid-19.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 10, 2020 6:18 AM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

A real community, neighbours helping each other, unlike ‘society’ in the atomised, alienated, individualised West, where Neoliberalism runs rampant, and so impacts peoples psyches.
This video was a joy to watch. Much appreciated it. Thank you.

Reg
Reg
May 10, 2020 12:57 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Great stuff! I’m envious of a society where human beings are human

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 10, 2020 2:11 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

The simple acts of solidarity described in that video brought tears to my eyes. And the sight of that delicious-looking food made my mouth water.

Thanks very much for posting it and for reminding us that not everywhere has succumbed to the corona-insanity.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
May 10, 2020 4:02 AM

I’ll be priting off a “Declaration of Truth”…..it’ll be handed to any who believe this Covid Forgery, the “facts” of the document to be declared wholly True by any who sign it….could be the guy in the street, a nurse or doctor, local party rep, pm/president, or pharmaceutical giant….etc, anyone, but, if any point of the statement is found (at anytime ever ) to be a misrepresentation , the section on penalty and wrondoing will then come into force – it can vary , for example, could be that they relinquish their right to any property the own, pay a majority percentage of their earnings for x years, take a vow of silence or perhaps drag a millstone around for the rest of their lives, whatever you like…..of course, they should have no hesitation to sign, being it they pressuring the people to support and conform to an invasive violation of our freedoms and being , a tough ask on any level, so can expect those who work in any position of its enforcement to be without any doubt, unequivocally certain of its legitimacy…..and so, would show no hesitattion in signing their name.

remo morris
remo morris
May 10, 2020 2:37 AM

The modern Eugenicists.
—————————
Everywhere you look,
are soft pinks and pastel blues and fragile mutes
in university colours..

rushing off to shag the mistress
rushing off to shag the master

who, in palest purple,
flapping lies like birds’ wing without feathers
sings
the eugenicist song.

As we learned on the farm.
You want to shift the stock? the sheep?
First you open the GATES.

wardropper
wardropper
May 10, 2020 1:12 AM

“Nobody will ever be able to accuse me of not thinking big”, perhaps? Well, Bill, your relatives, the Gates of Hell, await …

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
May 9, 2020 9:34 PM

MAKING MARKETS FOR VACCINES

All the usual “disgustings” are associated in a worldwide vaccine alliance. The same disgustings who partner with the security state and their mainstream media news sidekicks terrorizing populations into vaccine submission. To be more specific, this is the Jeffrey Epstein pedofile repugnant Davos crowd who are engrossed in injecting billions with untested chemicals. This foul and loathsome bunch are far from humanitarians, their interests lie in the management and control of billions on every continent.

Gates, an obnoxious techy who secured his fortune through unscrupulous business practices is obsessed with vaccinating the planet. Gates insists on a non-indemnity vaccination program where scientists working with billion dollar pharmaceutical companies can experiment on humans without fear of litigation. Why don’t they experiment on their own family, and then inject their wealthy business associates. Of course, that would be out the question it’s the defenseless and marginalized who’ll be their guinea pigs. Gates laughingly remarked vaccinations are a final solution, so what problem does he plan on solving.

Making markets for vaccines–what does that really mean–manufacturing lab diseases and then releasing them onto the unsuspecting public. Medicine and medical care is one aspect of society which should NEVER be commodified or politicized. Pharmaceutical companies should be nationalized, and all research and development should be tax funded. In fact, the trillions squandered now on endless wars should be reallocated to establishing a free public healthcare system which incorporates pharmaceuticals. The profit motive must be eliminated from an industry that gains billions through the exploitation of hundreds of millions.

We don’t need Gates or his depraved Davos buddies to paternalistically protect humanity from disease, we need a reprioritization of working-class tax dollars away from militarism and towards pathways enhancing the quality of life for all humanity.

And that brings me to the latest Bill Gates scandal:

“A petition calling on the federal government to investigate Bill and Melinda Gates for “crimes against humanity” surpassed half a million signatures since its creation on April 10. The “We the People” petition calls on Congress to investigate the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and said, “until a thorough and public inquiry is complete” they “are derelict in duty.”

The petition accused the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation for “medical malpractice” citing an accusation of “intentionally sterilizing Kenyan children through the use of a hidden HCG antigen in tetanus vaccines.” The petition also quoted Bill Gates’ when talking about his interest in “reducing population growth” by means of vaccinations.

In 2014, the Catholic Bishops Conference of Kenya conducted a study on the five-injection, two-year vaccination project performed on female Kenyans aged 14-49, in a South African laboratory and concluded that “all six samples tested positive for the HCG antigen.”

“This proved right our worst fears; that this WHO campaign is not about eradicating neonatal tetanus, but a well-coordinated forceful population control mass sterilization exercise using a proven fertility regulating vaccine,” Dr. Ngare, spokesman for the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association, said. “This evidence was presented to the Ministry of Health before the third round of immunization, but was ignored.”

The vaccine, which was administered to 2.3 million girls and women by the World Health Organization and UNICEF for free, was said to be funded by Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI), an organization started and funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

“When funds from the United Nations are not enough to purchase yearly allotments of vaccines, GAVI, provides extra funding for many of these vaccination programs in poor countries,” Dr. Ngare said. “Also, there was no outbreak of tetanus in Kenya, only the perceived ‘threat’ of tetanus due to local flood conditions.”

The Catholic Doctors Association presented its finding to the Kenyan government asking for an investigation into the vaccine. According to Life Site, the “health committee of Kenya’s National Assembly has ordered an independent inquiry into the Catholic Church’s claims that a national anti-tetanus vaccination campaign is covering for a sterilization scheme aimed at suppressing the country’s population.” But health ministry officials denied the claims of the Catholic doctors calling for “professional discipline.”

The petition also quoted Bill Gates stating his interest in “reducing population growth.” In a 2010 TEDx talk, Gates said ”the world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.”
https://www.nationofchange.org/2020/05/08/petition-to-investigate-bill-and-melinda-gates-reaches-over-half-a-million-signatures/

I guess, that’s why the poor are expendable……comment image

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 9:46 PM

What would he know about being poor?

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
May 9, 2020 10:36 PM
Reply to  Objective

What would he know about vaccines?

T Brites
T Brites
May 9, 2020 11:47 PM

Well Charlotte… Billionaires know ALL!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 9, 2020 10:13 PM

With all his wealth, Bill Gates still has time to hate the poor. The need to spit on the rest of the population. He’s not the only one, however. It’s apparently a very common sentiment among the rich.
Gates has the same opinion about the poor as J.D. Rockefeller… and Harriman… and John Foster Dulles who said that by eliminating “the weakest members of the population” a purer race could be created.
I can’t get my head around it – how one could reap all the benefits of life, and still be motivated by hate?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 9, 2020 10:29 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Because they’re psychopaths M. Or at the very least sociopathic. How do you think they got to where they are on the hierarchy? By being nice? Power and wealth is, psychologically, a very corrupting influence.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
May 9, 2020 11:41 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

When one attains the wealth or power of a J.D. Rockefeller, Dulles, or Gates they think they’re more special than all others. They rationalize this notion by thinking, if it wasn’t the case they’d never achieve such unimaginable success. It’s inevitable that this type of mentality results in a patronizing arrogance which allows them to believe they have the right
to micro-manage the rest of the population.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 10, 2020 12:08 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

It’s the Rightwing psychopathy. Rooted deep in our ancestry. Some individuals hate and fear others, and wish to do them harm. Capitalism is the system they created to consolidate their dominance, and thus we have been driven to self-destruction by the most Evil among us.

Gall
Gall
May 11, 2020 1:54 AM

“Poor” by who’s standard? Bill Gates may have a lot of money but he lacks a soul. Making him a poor excuse as a human.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
May 11, 2020 3:29 AM
Reply to  Gall

You misinterpreted the sentence.

Lia Young
Lia Young
May 9, 2020 7:59 PM

I’m glad we no longer have the threat of polio hanging over us, or small pox; TB is much less prevalent,etc. I grew up, and raised most of my kids in the era of “childhood illnesses”: measles, chicken pox etc. No great harm done. So I’m all for a middle of the road approach. I find it hard to credit the Gates with the sinister motives many people ascribe to them. There are some very serious problems to do with the destruction of the natural environment which need all our efforts to begin to tackle. These convoluted theories about the real aims of apparent philanthropists look to me like self-indulgence at best, and conscious deflection at worst Why not investigate the Koch brothers – or the Barclays for that matter?

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 8:43 PM
Reply to  Lia Young

Is it private or sergeant Lia Young? & why do all 77th brigade shills think we’ll believe you have a human soul if you use a full (fake) name like all good public servants think we have to.

Jose Silveira
Jose Silveira
May 9, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  Lia Young

Sorry, but your approach is not middle of the road – at best, it’s middle of nowhere!
You really need to do your homework, before you make such statements! The so-called philanthropists, are nothing but parasites in disguise. For each cent they give away, they get millions in return. You see, their “good deeds” come with all sorts of strings attached and the money they invest (because it is an investment), must be used in very specific ways, controlled by their chosen people and using their chosen companies (from which they also get returns) and consuming all the money in the process. Sometimes, it is not only about the money – it is also about the power they get (which also represents more money), to shape organizations that should be independent and for public service, to suit their own agendas, not the public.
All billionaires are sociopaths (or they would never had become billionaires) and the least of their concerns is other people’s well being – people are a commodity that, like cows, can be milked, at a profit, for a very long time and in the end, even the carcass is worth money.
Deciding what is the middle ground based on feelings or status, can only result in severe bias, because the playing field is not level – in one side you have 0.1% with all the money and power and on the other side you have the remaining 99.9% barefoot and no power.
The eugenicist, self-proclaimed “philanthropist” Bill Gates has increased significantly his immense wealth during the last few weeks, at the expense of the misery of the people of the world and he still is not happy with it – he wants more money and more power and, what is really disgusting (by his own words), he wants less people alive by means of his “vaccines”.

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
May 9, 2020 11:33 PM
Reply to  Jose Silveira

Never mind last few weeks. Mr.Gates net work has increased close to 50 Billion in the last 9 years.

Jose Silveira
Jose Silveira
May 10, 2020 1:29 AM
Reply to  Berlin Beerman

True, but the important point is that he used the plandemic to his own benefit, whilst boasting he cares for the common good.

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
May 10, 2020 3:55 AM
Reply to  Jose Silveira

He’s a capitalist. Surely you can understand his agenda. Just get on with proving it to the vaccination group that is sitting at home waiting for a vaccine to allow them an ability to go back to their “normal”.

This is not easily done. My point is how does someone formulate to the positive outcome, such a discussion ? Its not going to be easy so we need to tread carefully if its to be successful.

Dave P
Dave P
May 9, 2020 11:18 PM
Reply to  Lia Young

You have to be joking.
His father was head of planned parenthood funded by rockerfeller. Known eugensicists/transhumanists take your pick of nomenclature. Bit of due diligence goes a long way.
or
Why Gates foundation ET AL requested legal indemnity before they continue which is similar to the treatment many vaccine manufacturers are afforded?

Does this not undermine the whole safety aspect in relation to vaccines in which case why bother.

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
May 10, 2020 4:02 AM
Reply to  Dave P

Yes and his mom was a loving mother – didn’t help much did it. Focus on the false trait and bet against it in your arguments.

Furthermore you can’t use the word “vaccines” like its hamburger meat. Dumbing it down is not the way to win this argument.

Vaccines are complicated and the term itself means little. Break it down, use science and be precise. Mr.Gates speaks like hes a child to people. Trump him at every turn. He is no scientist and he is not trained in anything other than believing he is something special.

Break his bubble and see what he turns into then people will see the real Mr.Gates. Someone needs to get him into a serious conversation.

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
May 10, 2020 4:29 AM
Reply to  Lia Young

Lia, I agree with your comment that we need to deal with the destruction of our natural environment. But vaccines – they are not all the same. Perhaps the earlier ones you mention did do some good. I remember being immunised for chicken pox as a child, yet I got a mild case of shingles in later life (I believe these conditions are related).

In more recent times there have been many reports of unwanted site effects from vaccines. The one being proposed by Gates and his chums is especially suspect, as their motive behind it is digital dictatorship and population reduction of what them term “useless eaters” – i.e. anyone who doesn’t agree with their brainwashing. Plenty of resources on the internet to check into this – but be quick as censorship is rampant! Ask yourself why.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 6:43 PM
Reply to  Jean Wilson

I remember being immunised for chicken pox as a child, yet I got a mild case of shingles in later life (I believe these conditions are related).

You are quite right. Shingles is the adult version of chicken pox. Had you been allowed to catch chickenpox naturally in childhood, you’d have had lifetime immunity from it, and would have been far less likely to get shingles.

Lia Young
Lia Young
May 10, 2020 7:48 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

I had chicken pox as a child. I also had shingles a few months ago.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 14, 2020 1:04 AM
Reply to  Lia Young

I had chicken pox as a child. I also had shingles a few months ago.

That’s interesting. Blows my theory out of the water then. Sorry about your shingles, and I hope you recovered without too much discomfort.

According to an NHS webpage, the chickenpox virus remains in your body, and can be reactivated later as shingles, if your immune system is lowered. That’s not how I thought it worked, but your experience does seem to suggest that the NHS webpage is correct. Fair enough.

Obviously we all need to work to keep our immune systems strong. If you’ve read many of my postings, you’ll know I always recommend vitamin C. Also vitamin D, zinc, magnesium, selenium.

There are other factors of course: getting enough sleep; reducing stress; good nutrition, etc. And no doubt others.

Lia Young
Lia Young
May 10, 2020 7:46 PM
Reply to  Jean Wilson

Is there a vaccine against chicken pox?

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 7:13 PM
Reply to  Lia Young

http://www.dissolvingillusions.com

https://medium.com/@joakimbanglarsen/the-dark-history-of-vaccines-c6c0e37944d4

There is no need for vaccines if vitamin C is used correctly and in adequate amounts. It protects against all viral diseases, by strengthening the natural immune system.

See also Andrew W Saul’s Vitamin Channel on Youtube and/or his website: Doctoryourself DOT com

seanobraonain
seanobraonain
May 9, 2020 7:28 PM

A compelling testimony by Dr Judy Mikovits exposing Dr Fauci and his Plandemic co-conspirators as brutal and heartless profiteers who are quite literally responsible for the death of millions.

Banned of course

https://www.bitchute.com/video/T6ByOc9NOgW9/

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 9, 2020 8:28 PM
Reply to  seanobraonain

Try explaining that the world is a ruthless place to the majority.

The most deluded brainwashed public ever.

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
May 9, 2020 11:44 PM
Reply to  seanobraonain

Banned where? YouTube has it up.

Lets read her paper and her work first. Her story is intriguing and attempts to expose the industry behind the vale that is public health for profit.

If your going to refer to science to prove something for the benefit of exposing the hypocrisy and deception that exists in this industry then you better understand that the science must be accurate, first. This is not straight forward. Its easy to interview someone but we need to vette the person and the idea. There is too much riding on this, given the remarkable opportunity we have been presented with today – to really make a difference and expose the truth.

Don’t think for one moment that the traps have not been laid for all to fall into.

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
May 10, 2020 4:36 AM
Reply to  Berlin Beerman

I tried to get it and received this on my screen, “This video has been removed for violating YouTube’s Community Guidelines.”

Could you give me a link which works please, Berlin?

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
May 10, 2020 3:06 PM
Reply to  Jean Wilson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PmIaChOKAg&t=1163s

Community standards keeps getting in the way so they take them down I guess.
You can always find it off YT.

Susan Wojcicki is an enemy of our community – the human community.

Maxwell
Maxwell
May 9, 2020 6:41 PM

Aspects Of India’s Economy: The Real Agenda of the Gates Foundation

IV. A Broader Agenda

Gates’ willingness to carry the torch for the world’s billionaires reflected an understanding that his Foundation plays an important ideological role within the global capitalist system. Apart from the promotion of specific corporate interests and imperialist strategic aims, BMGF’s expertly publicized activities have the effect of laundering the enormous concentration of wealth in the hands of a few supremely powerful oligarchs. Through stories of Gates’ philanthropy we are assured that our rulers are benevolent, compassionate, and eager to “give back” to the less fortunate; moreover, by leveraging their superior intelligence and technocratic expertise, they are able to transcend the bureaucratic fumblings of state institutions, finding “strategic, market-based solutions” to problems that confound mere democracies. This apotheosis of Western wealth and knowhow works hand-in-hand with an implicit contempt for the sovereignty and competence of poor nations, justifying ever more aggressive imperialist interventions.

Thus the Gates Foundation, like the MNCs it so closely resembles, seeks to manufacture consent for its activities through the manipulation of public opinion. Happily, not everyone is fooled: popular resistance to the designs of Big Philanthropy is mounting. The struggle is broad-based, ranging from the women activists who exposed the criminal activities of PATH in India, to the anti-sterilization activities of African-American groups like The Rebecca Project, to the anti-vaccine agitations in Pakistan following the revelation that the CIA had used immunization programs as cover for DNA collection. Surely a worldwide campaign to eradicate the toxic philanthropy and infectious propaganda of the Gates Foundation would be in the best traditions of public health.

https://www.rupe-india.org/57/agenda.html

Dave P
Dave P
May 9, 2020 5:45 PM

What right does any individual have over another?

How can Anyone confer or assign rights that they do not possess themselves, to any other individual or group?

This is the great lie of democracy!

Authoritarianism, whatever its form is the virus. it is the only kind of virus. The mind virus that keeps us in the metaphorical cave.

So what gives Gates any right to direct any of us in any way at all?

Those who fear should stay at home if thats what they want.
For the rest of us we should live – thats what life is – living!
Not existing in a state imposed paradigm.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 9, 2020 5:23 PM

Gates has succeeded in focusing huge attention on the safety of vaccines and 5G… this could still backfire.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 9, 2020 6:24 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Good point. Here’s another: we’ve apparently still got 18 months to go before Gates’ little Mystery Injection is ready. That gives us lots of time to spread the word.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 9, 2020 8:30 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Even some celebrities are on the 5g buzz.
Novak Djokovic being one
Sure they had to get Nasal to come out and say se lip service crap to try not let Novak awaken a new audience.

T Brites
T Brites
May 9, 2020 5:07 PM
Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 9, 2020 5:06 PM

To understand the forces behind the health industry, you have to go back to Rockefeller. History does not repeat but it often rhymes.

All big names. All involved: Rockefeller, and Harriman and the Dulles brothers. Comments in quotes are taken from Rockefeller Associates By Richard Sanders, Editor, Press for Conversion! http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/rockefeller.html

“J.D.Rockefeller, being a high school dropout, was not well-suited to his new role as godfather of the country’s centres for higher learning.” Judging by where he invested, it was race and manipulating the working class that energized him. “In 1901, the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research was created. In 1902, the General Education Board (GEB) began four decades of tremendously controversial influence over American schools and universities.”

“That same year, J.D. Rockefeller and Averell Harriman, a business partner of Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker in Brown Brothers Harriman, gave $11 million to create the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. Built on Manhattan property owned by the Dulles brothers, it spawned America’s ground-breaking “eugenics” research and the world’s first “racial hygiene” laws.

“By 1907, Rockefeller funding was heavily influencing America’s medical institutions. The Rockefeller Institute created the first genetics lab in 1909. The following year, the Eugenics Research Association and the Eugenics Records Office were founded near Cold Spring Harbor, New York, on land donated by the widow of Averell Harriman. In 1911, John Foster Dulles summed up eugenics, saying that by eliminating “the weakest members of the population” a purer race could be created.

“In 1928, Germany’s Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Eugenics, Anthropology and Human Heredity was created. Run by Ernst Rudin, Hitler’s foremost “racial hygienist…” As per Wikipedia, The Rockefeller Foundation partially funded the actual building of the Institute and helped keep the Institute afloat during the Great Depression.

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 5:56 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Psychopaths with money & psychopaths are always more likely to accumulate wealth, because no one with a conscience can become a billionaire, it doesn’t make free market capitalism,(reaping rewards of your own handwork & ingenuity ) wrong. Just the corrupt system that facilitates crony capitalism aka. corporation. Whats wrong with the system is monetary policy & property ownership. YES I did say capitalism good& property ownership bad in the same paragraph!

Edwige
Edwige
May 9, 2020 4:37 PM
Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 9, 2020 4:47 PM
Reply to  Edwige

The notion that one can practise social distancing (ie, everyone remain two metres apart at all times) in a school could only have been dreamed up by someone with no experience of a school.

MoH
MoH
May 9, 2020 4:59 PM
Reply to  Edwige

The long term agenda of all this is depopulation and this sort of tyranny will discourage people to have kids so they dont subject their offspring to such torture.

May Hem
May Hem
May 10, 2020 4:41 AM
Reply to  MoH

They may be sterile after bill’s vaccine. Mission accomplished!

Philippe
Philippe
May 9, 2020 4:35 PM

The more one looks at Bill Gates and what he is / has been for some time doing, the more sinister he looks. But it’s not just him is it? The UK govt has a horse in this race. They have made considerable investments in the vaccine industry – highlighted in an article in this site, I believe (can’t remember which one – sorry).

Every day, I get ‘news’ alerts on my phone, informing me that the UK death toll “from” coronavirus is now x, an increase of y hundred since yesterday.

Given the UK govt’s investments in the vaccine industry, it does beg the question: What do the UK govt and Gates have in store for us that requires a death toll so much higher than anybody else in Europe?

Were I in any way sceptical (!), I could take the view that the UK govt will be looking to recoup its vaccine investments sooner rather than later. Or would that be a step too far?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 9, 2020 3:58 PM

This is Robert F. Kennedy’s latest article.

The Brave New World of Bill Gates and Big Telecom
May 08, 2020
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-brave-new-world-of-bill-gates-and-big-telecom/

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 4:27 PM

Hes either a very brave man or stupid, has he no concept of self preservation, the Kennedy family have a rather unfortunate history.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 9, 2020 5:49 PM
Reply to  Objective

The idea that the Kennedy’s were dying due to an unfortunate “Kennedy curse” was promoted by… … … the Mockingbird media, ie, the paymasters of the media.
The focus on JFK suited the paymasters very well. Even today, few people put 1+2+3+4 together and realize… JFK, RFK, one year later Chappaquiddick, 30 years later JFK Jr… Let alone MLK two months before RFK…
Nah, mate. Just a spot of bad luck.

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 6:06 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I don’t think it was a mysterious supernatural curse, what ever made you think that, of course it was just bad luck some Kennedy’s died whilst opposing the Secret State’s future plans.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 9, 2020 8:54 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I’ve suggested one of these types of minds to watch The Constant Gardner, you suggested one who’s mind is still the world is a great place.

Grafter
Grafter
May 9, 2020 3:49 PM

Another day and the gutter press are full of Her Majesty telling us all that our streets aren’t empty because they are “filled with love.” Well that’s reassuring and I think she may just have a point there because when I take my daily walk down the high street I can’t see or hear any ambulances running up and down, or people in HazMat suits ferrying dead bodies from nearby houses or picking them up from the street where they might be staggering about or lying down dead. This then obviously stems from the fact that my High Street is full of love instead, hence the absence of any health professionals. I feel better already.

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 2:51 PM
Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 9, 2020 4:01 PM
Reply to  Objective

Wow.

I was going to leave it there but I was triggered to look for another female singer with a fine set of lungs… and I came up against someone’s “reacting” to her singing. As I prefer to experience things at first hand, a video is already second hand. Watching someone watching a person is third hand but apparently very popular.
Arstechnica wrote up the phenomenon of reaction videos: “In the 1990s, a group of Italian researchers discovered that when a macaque monkey reaches for food, certain neurons light up in its brain. Those same neurons light up when the monkey sees a human reach for food, too. Later named mirror neurons, some believe these cells are active in human brains as well, but their existence is controversial….
“If mirror neurons do exist and contribute to our emotions, they could explain why we get anxious when we see someone else get anxious.”
That brought me full circle to the lockdown mania. Are people getting a high from watching other people being suppressed? Is part of it pain and pleasure at being punished and seeing others punished and then calling the police on them so that they get punished even more ?
“Andrea Weinstein, a clinical psychologist and psychology doctoral intern at the San Francisco VA Medical Center, told Ars that as social creatures, humans crave understandable emotions because that’s how we create social bonds.”
I’ll go one further. In an era of second and third-hand relations, in which human emotions have been hobbled by social media and online dating, perhaps the perverse reaction is to seek to deny other people first-hand emotions. The fad for watching (not necessarily with positive emotions) someone else react to a person/event may be a noxious side to the modern human.
OK, enough. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/04/the-science-behind-the-insane-popularity-of-react-videos-on-youtube/

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 4:50 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

That makes me wish i had used this version now.



But the “live” one had a better sound IMO, shes also better to look at. My main motive were the lyrics in regards peoples love affair with neo-liberal corporate pseudo-science and all that goes with it. i.e vaxing.

I don’t know why but your comment reminded me of Hundredth monkey effect But I think this can go either way the future looks bleak, Its probably as simple as people are becoming dumbed down mimics because of indoctrination centers (schools) no real science to it, anyway since when was psychology real science LOL. The other reason being many driven by socialism, don’t want to go back to work for their slave masters, they THINK their getting an easy ride but wait till the consequences hit. I concluded long ago socialism is its own worst enemy.

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 5:17 PM
Reply to  Objective

I don’t know why you keep talking about socialism. There is no socialism. The world has been a capitalist world for centuries now. But capitalism by its very nature is unstable and constantly goes through changes e.g. the constantly evolving state of technology which doesn’t just happen but is driven by competitive forces. In the midst of all this, the workers gradually managed to gain some protections and rights. But these were constantly under threat by the ever-changing nature of capitalism as well as the never-ending class war. And right now, we are on the verge of the biggest ever collapse. Hence the smoke screen of the virus to mask it.

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 5:45 PM
Reply to  George Mc

You’re right there is no credible socialist party to vote for.



This video is why I keep talking about socialism! But why do you conflate all forms of capitalism with neo-liberal corporation, with a globalist agenda?

There is nothing stopping groups of like minded people (socialists) getting together to form co-operatives & non-profit services/utilities, so why don’t they? Why do they assume someone else must make sacrifices to give it to them, instead of doing it for themselves?

And if you can’t see the correlation between why people have accepted this lockup voluntarily & socialism you’re blind.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 9, 2020 7:09 PM
Reply to  Objective

Showboat George needs affirmation. He needs to be the center of attention. Seeing that there is more competition for venues from loudmouth blowhards as a “corporate fascist” then there is as a “socialist”, he uses the “socialist” moniker to get venues.

His position on the worldwide corporate fascist lockdown of humanity and the mass hysteria panic frenzy is closer to that of Adolf Hitler than it is to Eugene Victor Debs. For Shame!

“Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.”

~ Eugene Victor Debs

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 7:16 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Eugene Victor Debs

Yes a great man & if i recall died a convict? But he is dead & there are no modern equivalents.

So what to do?

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 9, 2020 7:56 PM
Reply to  Objective

Attempt to carry on his work in the way one would think he would have.

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 7:43 PM
Reply to  Objective

I don’t think there are “forms” of capitalism – as if it was a matter of choosing between options laid out on a table. I think the capitalist system is a ferociously dynamic system governed by the ad-hoc greed of the main players. Thus the “neoliberal” turn of the last 4 decades. As for “globalist” agenda, well the players always played for bigger and bigger stakes so I reckon it was inevitable that they would reach the global level sooner or later.

As for this:

There is nothing stopping groups of like minded people (socialists) getting together to form co-operatives & non-profit services/utilities, so why don’t they? Why do they assume someone else must make sacrifices to give it to them, instead of doing it for themselves?

Capitalism is a system that must absorb everything and can tolerate nothing to exist outside itself. And groups of like-minded folk getting together to try out some alternative would never be permitted to exist since it would be a threat. That is the main reason why the US had to ensure that no country in its “backyard” ever got uppity. All attempts at alternative government had to be ruthlessly subverted to ensure the continuance of maximum exploitation.

It is the same, on a smaller level with attempts at alternative arrangements within the one society. Indeed, it is even more ludicrous. You think that the UK govt are going to permit a bit of communism to exist within its capitalism? No-one can be allowed to opt out.

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 7:55 PM
Reply to  George Mc

You’re a confused hard line nostalgic socialist, (i’m not meaning to be impertinent) but you have no answers or solutions. So if you see no better future why continue?

And there lays the answer to the correlation between lockup & socialists. Its self harm & hurt everyone else at the same time out of spite. Look at Galloway all he can go on about is PPE ignoring the real harm Tories are doing.

I reject your belief there’s only one form of capitalism (self reliance, independence) outright. It doesn’t mean i advocate neo-liberal globalism & therefore by definition there must be another path between greed & apathetic state dependence.

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 8:41 PM
Reply to  Objective

I see no “nostalgia” in what I said. I was simply describing the world as it has evolved. It is a capitalist world. It has a capitalist economy. And we are all part of it. Notions of “self-reliance” and “independence” only make sense within the context of the community, what its rules are, what its traditions are etc. most of all – how it organises production.

As for me having “no answers or solutions”, well let’s look at YOUR solution which was this:

There is nothing stopping groups of like minded people (socialists) getting together to form co-operatives & non-profit services/utilities, so why don’t they? Why do they assume someone else must make sacrifices to give it to them, instead of doing it for themselves?

This is a display of such childlike naiveté that I find it hard to believe you were being serious. As I said, we live in a capitalist economy. You honestly think that any group can just “opt out”? How? How do they sever their livelihoods from capitalism? How do they redirect their articles of use from the capitalist economy? And – this is the big one – if they could, do you honestly think they would be allowed to? You think that Mr Bezos would be happy for all those communities to just opt our of his global jackpot machine?

…another path between greed & apathetic state dependence…

This is the usual monolithic separation between two absolutes that don’t exist. Capitalism doesn’t run on “greed”. It never has done. The main players in the system must guarantee the biggest possible return on what is invested in them. If they don’t, they’re out. That’s capitalism. As for “state dependence”, everyone leans on the state to maintain the rules and services necessary for day to day existence, the richest capitalist as well as one on universal credit.

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 8:48 PM
Reply to  George Mc

context of the community, what its rules are

YEP that’s where it all started to go wrong, then someone decided they should be in charge (a ruler) to set the “rules”!

As for the rest I stopped reading once I saw you resorted to name calling. Don’t bother i’m not going to waste my time reading it.

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 9:25 PM
Reply to  Objective

YEP that’s where it all started to go wrong, then someone decided they should be in charge (a ruler) to set the “rules”!

Rules are needed to regulate and don’t necessarily imply rulers.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 9, 2020 7:44 PM
Reply to  Objective

In NYC they are killing people.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/nevada-nurse-nyc-covid-not-killing-people-theyre-being-murdered/5711997

In Jersey City, New Jersey , the killer ghouls are not only killing people the killer ghouls are taking their victim’s credit cards and using (buying things with) them.

How is that socialism, George?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 10, 2020 12:21 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Capitalism is cancer and it evolves into ever more malignant forms, and has just about finished its work of killing its host.

Reg
Reg
May 9, 2020 2:38 PM

Belarus requires an invasion to bring it some freedom. This is completely unacceptable.

https://www.anti-empire.com/europes-freest-nation-holds-the-continents-only-victory-day-parade/

MoH
MoH
May 9, 2020 3:19 PM
Reply to  Reg

“In this insane, disoriented world, there will be people who condemn us for the time and place of this sacred act,” Lukashenka said defiantly. “Don’t rush to conclusions or condemn us, descendants of the victory of Belarusians. We couldn’t have acted differently. We had no other choice. And even if we had one, we would have done the same.”

Goes to show what a leader who isnt a globalist stooge looks like.

David
David
May 9, 2020 6:09 PM
Reply to  MoH

Oh but when we all have the mandatory vak-seeeen, Belarus will not make the list because of the “anti-globalist stooge“ and so no-one will be allowed to enter or leave.
That’ll make for an outward looking economy !! If you’re not in “the club”…….
Just positing a possible view you understand.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 9, 2020 6:28 PM
Reply to  Reg

Too bad for them they don’t have any oil! I guess they’re just gonna have to stay unfree …

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 7:24 PM
Reply to  Reg

Time for the USA to unseat their present dictator, and replace him with another dictator of the USA’s own choosing.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 9, 2020 2:04 PM

Enjoy your 2 Minutes of Gate Hate

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
May 9, 2020 2:44 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

I’ve actively disliked Mr Gates since he crawled into bed with the disgusting Clintonites to avoid criminal charges for forcing his buggy operating system Windows down the throats of an uncritical world in the 1980s . Making Mr Gates’ antics akin to Slick Willie Clinton oval office activities with Monica ?

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 9, 2020 4:08 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

The more one knows about Gates the less there is to like about him.

Enjoy your hazmat suit.

T Brites
T Brites
May 9, 2020 11:51 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Get ready for G 2.0!

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 5:18 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Oh I can manage much more than 2 minutes.

Magnus
Magnus
May 9, 2020 1:20 PM

The financial collapse (on/from Wall Street) started months BEFORE this covid-19 drama.

blockquote> the financial crisis on Wall Street began in earnest on September 17, 2019, almost four months before the first death from coronavirus anywhere in the world was reported in China on January 11, 2020 and five months before the first death in the U.S. was reported on February 29, 2020

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/05/wall-streets-financial-crisis-preceded-covid-19-chart-and-timeline/

Edwige
Edwige
May 9, 2020 1:01 PM

Anyone have any hopes that a British MP might do something like this?…

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 1:16 PM
Reply to  Edwige

I’m using the thumbs system as a survey, not a negative response to your post.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 9, 2020 3:13 PM
Reply to  Objective

Glad you cleared that up. We are interested in the truth here on off-guardian.org. Was wondering why someone was down-thumbing.

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 7:01 PM
Reply to  David Meredith

OK it was a bad idea i can admit when i’m wrong.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 9, 2020 10:09 PM
Reply to  Objective

no worries – so long as you stay Objective, we’re going to be ok.

Jose Silveira
Jose Silveira
May 9, 2020 10:13 PM
Reply to  Objective

You didn’t have to. You already made quite clear what ground you stand for.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 9, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Amazing video – thanks. If a British MP did this, they would be dragged out immediately by security guards and put in a mental institution accused of losing their mind in the stress of the current situation.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 9, 2020 4:22 PM
Reply to  David Meredith

I wonder how many deputies, MPs, congressmen or senators around the world would have the independence to speak their own mind? But then Vittorio Sgarbi – art critic, art historian, cultural commentator – is not the modern sort.
“In the case of the corrupt person, what he ought to do and what he actually does are in discord, while the decent person does what he ought to do. Every intellect chooses what is best for itself, and the decent person obeys the rule of his intellect.” – AAWABFTB

Rosalyn Liddle
Rosalyn Liddle
May 10, 2020 1:40 PM
Reply to  David Meredith

Or his/her death put down to coronavirus…

Ellis Wood
Ellis Wood
May 9, 2020 12:33 PM

To my shame I had not until today heard of OffG. I was fascinated and interested. This Bill Gates expose is the first thing I looked at. I’m two thirds of the way in and I can’t watch any more. I really do want to hear alternative views and the controversial, but it might be that it is only when you come to this film with zero preconceptions that you can see the underlying assumptions, the non sequiturs, the leaps of ‘if A then C’… I hoped for more of an unbiased assessment and less of a polemic. I am not convinced that Bill is bad, I am not convinced Bill is not bad, I am sure that I cannot make an assessment based on this analysis.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 9, 2020 12:43 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

In my view he is a businessman, greedy and ambitious, but that is what businessmen need to be. Like Krupp to Nazi Germany. It is the empire that is bad.

kevin king
kevin king
May 9, 2020 12:45 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

Spot the astroturfer. You aren’t fooling anyone who has been immunised against the mind virus with this patently overt attempt at deflecting from the facts.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 9, 2020 1:59 PM
Reply to  kevin king

It is just silly to believe Gates can control anything without the American Empire backing him up. Just silly.

G J Ceaser
G J Ceaser
May 9, 2020 2:28 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

It is not silly if the empire actually backs him. Who could believe otherwise?

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 9, 2020 5:46 PM
Reply to  G J Ceaser

Then why are you pointing at the money and not the money grinder ?

Loverat
Loverat
May 9, 2020 12:53 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

Ellis Wood

Interesting what you say. My experience before I came across Off G was that I had a couple of years of research and reading so called alternative views.

It was a journey. Personally I think if you are at the start of reading alternative views or even in the middle, Bill Gates is not the place.

I started low and worked up. Even Im not entirely on board with the Bill Gates stuff When you realise whats happening lower down the chain, it makes things easier though.
This site is honestly the best there is out there. The CV19 is second to none anywhere imo.

Not all articles here will be ideally pitched to all people, a

justanotherguy
justanotherguy
May 9, 2020 3:22 PM
Reply to  Loverat

One thing that is the pivot of “starting” reading alternative news is an open mind!

Your comment reeks frankly, of pseudo babble and false honesty.

What the heck means: “I started low and worked up”??
You started with semi alternative news, worked through the troll’s news, than took a critical listening and reading course to finally arrive at this journal?

A short stop at Alex Jones and the Huff Post perhaps?

I haven’t watched this particular gates clip, as I have seen several and have heard and read observations about Gates plans by professional medical people, scientists, virologists and ex government health officials and they all concur, global vaccination won’t accomplish what we are presented with.

Aside, all you need to know about Gates you will hear in this clip: “Steve Jobs’ 2005 Stanford Commencement Address” at youtube, although Jobs is diplomatic in his narrative.

MS has a long story of unethical matters but aside from that, Gates is NOT a person who reached this present position by returning to a school of specialized knowledge, but by buying his way into the system, in a very similar manner the pharma Rockefeller industry has done. to bring us to the point where we are now.

If you are not familiar with that story do some research, after all, you are working your way up.

Loverat
Loverat
May 9, 2020 7:10 PM
Reply to  justanotherguy

justtheotherguy

Actually I had very good grounding. Much research on Bosnia and Kosovo and visits. Then raising a family and not much time. After Iraq and Libya and during Syria I took up where I left off.

Attended all Media on Trial events in all corners of the country and much more.

I guess the pseudo babble and false honesty serves me quite well as Ive had many articles published in alternative media. The punters tend to like it anyway.

Sorry, the rest of your post is not that clear so difficult to reply. I guess the point Im making is I dont assume anything based on one thing meaning another – or pretend to know something I don’t.

gordon
gordon
May 9, 2020 1:17 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

bill is just a front man new soros new emmanuel goldstein
he is a mob member if he was not he would have been cia,mi6,mossadick whacked 15 years ago.

before you consent and take your shot watch this

9 hours talk with the daddy of the vaccine industry

dr Stanley Plotkin, Under Oath on Vaccines

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 1:21 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

Welcome, free speech & genuine dissenting views should be encouraged, please don’t be put off by some of the more ardent comments against your openness & opinion.

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 1:30 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

…it might be that it is only when you come to this film with zero preconceptions that you can see the underlying assumptions, the non sequiturs, the leaps of ‘if A then C’… I hoped for more of an unbiased assessment and less of a polemic

It is impossible to come to this film or indeed to anything “with zero preconceptions”. Especially in the case of a figure as relentlessly publicised as Bill Gates. Indeed, that relentless publicising fills your head full of preconceptions. Off-G is asking you to query those preconceptions and, in general, to take a critical attitude towards the media including, of course, taking a critical attitude towards Off-G. But if you have criticisms of Off-G, then let’s hear them i.e. let’s hear them specifically.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 9, 2020 1:32 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

Ellis… welcome to OffGuardian✌️
I echo Loverat’s sentiments that this is one of the very best alternative sites Anywhere on the internet.
I can understand where you’re at, if, before now, much or all of your news sources has been the mainstream media.
This site speaks truth to power; the establishment, and it’s probably the most honest site you can come across:
‘Facts Are Sacred’.
And it doesn’t censor people either (unlike other sites). I can imagine how you would feel if all you’ve heard about Bill Gates has been via the mainstream media, and then you watch this video.
I have a suggestion for you also – go back thru the archives from last year. There’s a whole range of different topics OffG has covered. And again, the coverage here of Covid19 has been exceptional.
Take care Ellis.

Ellis Wood
Ellis Wood
May 9, 2020 1:46 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

Thank you to those encouraging me and I feel to explain a little about why I don’t like this piece… but just a little. As a very small example, the Bill piece stridently asserts that the whole world is following Bill’s insistent, oft repeated, assertion that the timescale for a Covid vaccine development is 18 months – thus implying that this is wrong and positioning them as compliant idiots and him as some Machiavellian puppet master.

The Occam’s Razor conclusion of everyone saying the same thing is that it is a reasonable position to take and / or that they all reference the same, different source, and / or they have all reached the same conclusion. Of course, none of these might be true, but just angrily asserting without examination of the options only preaches to the choir and has little value in creating converts.

However, I shall take your advice and look up some other pieces. Cheers

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 9, 2020 2:21 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

Ellis, there is always an “authorized version” as with the Bible! And there is perspective: “Here I stand”.
Perspective is more than just opinion. Things don’t just look different, they are different, depending on one’s culture, time frame and interests (what you have a stake in). William of Ockham is usually misquoted. To him, the only necessary assumption was the existence of God. Thus he was arguing very much from what he had a stake in.
People often have one topic that energizes them to the extent that they pick it up, turn it around, look at it from different perspectives, in different lights – but to do that they must be passionate about that topic. For some it is military history, healthy eating, the financial markets, while others hone in on controversial topics from the get go, like assassinations, the war on drugs or the war on terror. Each to his own.
One thing applies to every topic: perspectives are different. There is a dominant, published ‘authorized version’. Many people adopt that narrative. It is the one that schools and universities teach and politicians endorse. Most people go no further. The fact that most people believe it, however, has no bearing on its validity.

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 2:26 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

Here’s my position (you may witness a few rabid attacks on my opinion) I’m no Gates apologist, I detest the man & his agenda as much as anyone here, probably for dithering reasons.

But any critically free thinking person familiar with Corbetts “reports” will identify most of his stuff has an underlying theme, driven by his own agenda (whatever that is) and sadly he also seeks personal profit from his work, just as much as Gates does.

That doesn’t mean his media doesn’t uncover some truth, that’s not something i believe i can say about Gates et al.. Gates is a corrupt snake oil salesman.

bob
bob
May 9, 2020 2:03 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

and just to be clear, nobody has isolated the propaganda virus yet … but many are trying

Kalen
Kalen
May 9, 2020 2:28 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

In contrast to MSM as I see it, nobody here wants to convince anybody about anything or compel anybody to do anything but instead OFFG wants people to think for themselves as it is all about skeptical rational thought grounded in data, not opinions and conclusions which if shared here may only serve as inspiration people’s own inquiries and analyses not to be read as dogmatic proclamations to follow.

And no, nobody here is interested in psychological analysis of Gates or any other multi billionaire characters; is he bad or good, it is irrelevant subjective category. What I think people here are interested in are material interests political or socioeconomic and financial that drive those oligarchs in their global endeavors motivated first all by profit not as much by charity or philanthropy.

Here is something you may want to investigate yourself and is unrelated to COVID or vaccination bias people may have in regard to Gates recent biotech projects.

For all young who do not remember Gates as one of those first in line MIT dropouts, stooges of the oligarchy who became famous for stealing other people’s software codes and based on his stealing crime wrote “his” buggy “Basic” so his mother corporate lawyer could for the first time in history, patent it, copyright it, and claim IP rights on any old and new software that was never patented or copyrighted before as ineligible.

Gates mother help changed IP law and later expanded law to patenting engineered biological life organisms like viruses or fish etc.,

Gates predecessor to “windows” (DOS) was paid in blood of a true digital age hero who wrote operating system CP/M in Z80/Z80A Assembly language and who suddenly died after refusing to sell it to IBM on which board of directors Gates’s mother was sitting.

So Gates stole it, as his mother put it “reverse engineered it by a third party” and bought it for a pittance and then renamed it “DOS” precursor of windows. Gates more or less killed free and shared commons of digital age i.e. communal widely shared software development much less restrictive than today’s open source that was prevalent back then. Gates was the first to threaten and sue fellow coders for money.

Gates was early champion of cronyism and exploitation of phony and stolen IP, massive destruction of innovations (used for antitrust violations) and new IT businesses in his quest of world domination and technologycal development destroying monopoly what Microsoft aspired to from the beginning and ultimately became. As Goggle and FB took over IT space Gates turned his destruction toward biotech particularly to IP where he did the same.

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
May 9, 2020 2:49 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Good post thanks for it

jay
jay
May 9, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

You will not find “alternative” views that say other than Bill is wicked.
So you would be as well toddling off back to the mainstream.

ZigZagWanderer
ZigZagWanderer
May 9, 2020 2:31 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

You “discover” OffG … watch only a part of a short video .. and decide you “cannot make an assessment based on this analysis” .

Pure (comedy) gold.

The 77th need to up their game .

Dude
Dude
May 9, 2020 3:19 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

Say hi to bill when you get your payment

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 9, 2020 3:30 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

It’s time for you to wake up to what is really happening. If Bill is not bad why is he pushing so hard for the whole world to be vaccinated with improperly tested vaccines. Not only that but vaccines are laden with toxic components, DNA/RNA from animals and aborted fetuses and vaccines have been shown in many studies to promote and prolong pandemics. The big hidden agenda is really that there are too many people on the planet for the liking of Bill Gates and the elite circles who he influences and engages with. The sooner the vast majority of people wake up to the lies humanity has been told for decades, the better. If these viruses are allowed to take their own course, they simply attenuate and disappear. Vaccines, poison, promote, and prolong disease. They are an extremely powerful tool for medical control of the masses and a licence for those in control to inject pretty much anything they like into populations.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 9, 2020 3:33 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

To be fair, OffGuardian is just posting a video that James Corbett made for his own site here. You don’t necessarily have to agree with everything posted here to find this site a useful source of alternative reporting.

Ellis Wood
Ellis Wood
May 9, 2020 3:40 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

Thank you again to those with a calm, reasoned response, especially the anti-ones.

A source of regret to me is that half the responses seek to close down debate, address a different issue to the one I raised, or be so unpleasant. There is so much anger.

I am grateful to Tim Drayton who pointed out that I should not judge OffG by the Corbett video. He is right, I was mistaking media and message.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
May 9, 2020 6:40 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

Ellis, please take a look at this from part 2 audio transcript of the video at:

https://www.corbettreport.com/gatesvaccine/

The Decade of Vaccines kicked off with a Gates-funded $3.6 million observational study of HPV vaccines in India that, according to a government investigation, violated the human rights of the study participants with “gross violations” of consent, and failed to properly report adverse events experienced by the vaccine recipients.

After the deaths of seven girls involved in the trial were reported, a parliamentary investigation concluded that the Gates-funded Program for Appropriate Technology in Health (PATH), which ran the study, had been engaged in a scheme to help ensure “healthy markets” for GlaxoSmithKline and Merck, the manufacturers of the Gardasil and Cervarix vaccines that had been so generously donated for use in the trial:

“Had PATH been successful in getting the HPV vaccine included in the universal immunization program of the concerned countries, this would have generated windfall profit for the manufacturer(s) by way of automatic sale, year after year, without any promotional or marketing expenses. It is well known that once introduced into the immunization program it becomes politically impossible to stop any vaccination.”

Chandra M. Gulhati, editor of the influential Monthly Index of Medical Specialities, remarked that “It is shocking to see how an American organization used surreptitious methods to establish itself in India” and Samiran Nundy, editor emeritus of the National Medical Journal of India lamented that “This is an obvious case where Indians were being used as guinea pigs.”

Throughout the decade, India’s concerns about the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and its corporate partners’ influence on the country’s national immunization programs grew. In 2016, the steering group of the country’s National Health Mission blasted the government for allowing the country’s National Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation—the primary body advising the government on all vaccination-related matters—to be effectively purchased by the Gates Foundation.

As one steering group member noted: “The NTAGI secretariat has been moved out of the [government’s health] ministry to the office of Public Health Foundation of India and the 32 staff members in that secretariat draw their salaries from the BMGF. There is a clear conflict of interest—on one hand, the BMGF funds the secretariat that is the highest decision making body in vaccines and, on the other, it partners the pharma industry in GAVI. This is unacceptable.”

In 2017, the government responded by cutting all financial ties between the advisory group and the Gates Foundation.

Similar stories play out across the Gates Foundation’s Decade of Vaccines.

If indeed “similar stories play out across the Gates Foundation’s Decade of Vaccines” (as Robert F. Kennedy also indicates), perhaps we need to take a closer look at this person?

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
May 9, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

I would just add that recent information on this site from scientific experts indicate developing a vaccine for this virus would take years (including adequate testing) regarding toxic side-effects, yet what we are seeing from Trump et al is “hey people we’re gonna help you out with a super-quick-dash to get this vaccines and save you!” approach (pardon my colloquialism, Ellis, for so stating it that way). Not only that we are now being informed that oh no no no we must have the lockdown continue and even martialize it further.

It’s clear Gates is somewhere between saint and rattlesnake in the grass at this point, so why don’t you give us your view of how you see him?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 10, 2020 12:35 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Gates also pushes to IMPOSE GE crops on Africa. The man is pure capitalist ie cancerous malevolence.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 9, 2020 6:31 PM
Reply to  Ellis Wood

Then learn more about him and see what you think. No need to rush to judgment just yet.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 9, 2020 12:29 PM

Gates is a merchant who is selling his goods to the American Empire. they will decide if it is useful to them, but Gates lays out his products for them to see and inspect.

Vaccines Like windows could be a good method of wealth extraction from the world, but only if it works for empire’s interests, like Windows worked as a spying device for empire.

DavidW
DavidW
May 9, 2020 12:29 PM

Was witness to an absurd conversation while waiting in the ridiculous queues to use my local bank. Two men chatting behind me about the virus and one stated “This is the new normal which will probably last for two years, then we will get back to normal” A genuine do I laugh or cry moment in this absurd reality we are all facing.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 9, 2020 5:06 PM
Reply to  DavidW

So what he was saying, getting down to basics, is that opportunities to forge normal human relationships are to be placed on hold for two years and everyone is ok with that. Hmmm

(And no, just to clarify, in case anyone thinks I’ve lost it, I’m not suggesting that it’s just bank queues where relationships begin. I’m looking at the wider implications. )

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 12:16 PM

Dear Mr James Corbett, I have some questions i’d like YOU to answer

1. Do you believe the human population is ecologically sustainable?

2. Do you feel contraceptives are “Malthusian” (a term often used out of context) or eugenicist?

Disclaimer: I am not anti-vaccination in theory, however every decision we make carries risk & every risk should be made on a personal level with the responsibility on the provider to assure they have facilitated full disclosure of harmful effects, to allow consumers to make informed decisions, if harmful effects are recognized after consumption then clearly the manufacturer must presume responsibility.

I am adamantly opposed to mandatory, compulsory or involuntary vaccination, any assertion vaccines can only work (herd immunity) via (forced) mass campaigns in my opinion therefore demonstrates vaccination as immoral & unethical. Vaccination can help end suffering & save lives BUT MUST BE VOLUNTARY the choice of the consumer not the provider!.

Evidently this current lockup policy is driven by a corporate globalist desire to mass vaccinate the entire human race, I fear they wont/can’t relax their grip on the populous (end social restrictions) until a vaccine is available which will of course be rushed with harmful consequences, to do otherwise would debunk any notion this virus ia no more dangerous than driving to the shops for a sugary beverage.

WE HAVE TO MITIGATE AGAINST THE DESTRUCTIVE CONSEQUENCES OF A GROWING HUMAN POPULATION ON THE ENVIRONMENT & BIODIVERSITY. How I don’t know, doing nothing is misanthropic.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 9, 2020 10:34 PM
Reply to  Objective

“Do you believe the human population is ecologically sustainable?”

It would be more productive to ask that of NATURE (or MOTHER EARTH), as IT is the one that has the ultimate power concerning the “over population” of organic life in it, upon it or around it.

Long overdue for the corporate fascist mass hysteria pandemic panic frenzy to end. The longer the lockdown stunt continues the harsher the repercussions will be.

Carnyx
Carnyx
May 9, 2020 12:13 PM

The only words I wanna hear out of Gate’s mouth is an explanation as to what he got up to with Epstein and Maxwell.

Until then he’s jut another rich pr!ck trying to save his own neck.

Over to you Bill…

Max Cat
Max Cat
May 9, 2020 11:55 AM

https://www.britannica.com/event/1968-flu-pandemic

I remember this – my whole family had it and we all recovered within a few days including my parents who were in their 60’s- shops were closed BUT the world wasn’t shut down and as I recall no one was afraid of catching it. Bill Gates wasn’t around then to try and make money out of scaring people out of their wits so the queued up for his loathsome poison

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
May 9, 2020 2:53 PM
Reply to  Max Cat

Good post . I got that flu as well in late 1969 , thought I was dying for 3 days.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 9, 2020 3:52 PM
Reply to  Max Cat

He was around then.
Fortunately he was only 13 years old at the time, and so fortunately you and your family were allowed to recover naturally which is the best and only true way to recover from a virus. The added benefit is we still have some sensible people like yourself left on the planet.

Max Cat
Max Cat
May 9, 2020 4:34 PM
Reply to  David Meredith

Thank you

slackdee
slackdee
May 9, 2020 11:00 AM

Bill’s “Crony-virus” scam. What a fraudulent scumbag Gates is.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 9, 2020 11:12 AM
Reply to  slackdee

Gates doesn’t have the power to pull anything like this off. He is a service provider to American Empire.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 9, 2020 11:36 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

By himself? Perhaps not. But as a member of the Globalist network, he can accomplish an awful lot.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 9, 2020 12:22 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Sorry I forgot about the fantasy ‘international jewish conspiracy’.

Reg
Reg
May 9, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Slackdee didn’t say anything about a “Jewish conspiracy”.

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
May 9, 2020 2:56 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

This international conspiracy has little to do with the middle eastern stone age sand gods, and their religious fervor ?

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 9, 2020 3:36 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Agreed. I get the feeling that the Gates Foundation is a front for a nexus of very powerful interests, including obviously those of big pharma.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 9, 2020 12:26 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

The empire is very well represented in business. Systems of blackmail and patronage operate as much in the business world as they do on the political ladder.
Patrick Byrne, Overstock CEO, made some cryptic comments when he resigned, saying that when he reached a certain level in business he was co-opted by the state, given a supervisor, his “Omaha rabbi” and took advice from the deep state when he or they felt appropriate.
“Say it ain’t so,” but the U.S. does not operate so differently to states that are acknowledged to be authoritarian. The FBI has operated as a political police force since its inception. The CIA began as Wall St muscle and to a large degree remains so. The “organs” are represented in all major corporations. You can argue whether there are more or fewer CIA than FSB in an equivalent American or Russian conglomerate but the principle remains.
I argue that Western business possesses a fine mesh of professional and social networks providing as much if not more opportunity to put pressure on business people. Corruption tends to be more overt and brutal in developing countries: it is simply more subtle and diffuse in the West.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 10, 2020 12:42 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The manner in which Flynn (a fascist thug) was set-up and framed was outrageous, but it is Standard Operating Procedure for the US Gestapo aka the FBI. When the victims are ‘terrorwists’ set up by FBI provocateurs, or Palestinian-Americans running charities, no-one cares as they are framed by the Gestapo and Zionist thugs in the so-called Department of Justice, but Flynn was lucky enough to have strong defenders. Yet even when the sheer criminality of his entrapment is revealed the Trump Derangement ‘liberals’ screech bloody murder at a gigantic injustice being reversed. A society whose ruling elites are pure Evil and psychopathically deranged and hate-driven.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 9, 2020 3:57 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

I wish you were right. Unfortunately he has his dirty tentacles latched into Governments and big organisations like the WHO all over the world. He is linked in with big pharma all over the world. As well as government advisory groups all over the world. He has huge power to pull the financial and power strings all over the world. The only ones who can stop him are the people themselves, people like us – by refusing all vaccines on mass. No vaccines are needed.

jay
jay
May 9, 2020 10:35 AM

I seem to remember that vaccines and vaccinations are not new…
The ancient Egyptians doctors injected animal dung into their patients…
“Oh, you got ‘flu despite getting the sacred dung? Unfortunatly, we got it wrong, it should have been crocodile crap”…
OR
“You didn’t get the ‘flu…Amon is merciful, see how wonderfully hippo dung works”

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 12:23 PM
Reply to  jay

Recently researchers have found that our blood cells have evolved to chemically interact with soil bacteria to heel wounds! I’m not saying injecting shit in your veins is a good idea but never underestimate nature, those old gardeners tales of rubbing dirt in your wound isn’t so stupid after all.

Just to be clear nature can/will kill you just as quick if not quicker than any synthetic man made poison.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 10, 2020 12:46 AM
Reply to  Objective

Geophagy rules OK!

gordon
gordon
May 9, 2020 1:03 PM
Reply to  jay

wisdom gained over 1000s of years
if dung was used then i am sure the treatment had value.

do you have any concept of dung or urine of it’s value?

you sound like you will be at the front of the queue for a sv40 monkey shot covid vaccine

can anything be lower than a dung beatle yet what mysteries they hold.
Like ancient seafarers, dung beetles navigate using the stars in the sky and the glow from the Milky Way. navigation with a laser level of accuracy

The Dream & Lie of Louis Pasteur
if you follow fraud pasteur and germ theory scam it is true then that dung is just shit.

if you are Béchamp man then dung is the essence the terrain it is all.

if covid or any living virus ever existed i am sure dung and urine would cure it.

jay
jay
May 9, 2020 2:35 PM
Reply to  gordon

Interesting on the scarab…

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 9, 2020 10:33 AM

Before I get misunderstood, I agree with Mr Potts that Gates can use his vax as a suppository, but I am not opposed to vaccines per se.

It’s a matter of choice.

I believe that generally vaccines are safe and help in the fight against disease. I have some understanding of how they actually work and it is clear that the majority of people, not only here, but in the wider world have no clue about how they work.

As I say, it’s a matter of choice in my opinion. People must be free to decide for themselves if they want this or any other vaccine, or for that matter any medicine or medical treatment.

“For your own good” is extremely creepy and authoritarian. If you want to be vaccinated that is your choice. If you don’t that is your choice too. (Or should be).

Some people here seem to be unhappy with labelling Boris and his cronies responsible for what is happening in the UK. No, they are responsible. I am sure Boris, if the economy tanks will be very happy if you blame it on the banks or creepy Gates or Soros or whoever and let him off the hook.

Boris is the Prime Minister of the UK, the buck stops with him!

Denis
Denis
May 9, 2020 10:41 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Yes, agreed that it should be a choice, but it looks like it will be made to look like a choice, until you want to travel or get a job (eg at a restaurant and in order to handle food preparation you have to be vaccinated) and just like that your choice becomes an offer you can’t refuse?! What then?!?! You make that choice and you get vaccinated.

And yes, vaccines do work, but I’d remain sceptical about something that’s been put together in few months….

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 12:27 PM
Reply to  Denis

I’m not disagreeing with you in anyway, but haven’t people always got “shots” when they travel somewhere “exotic”, like eg. Birmingham etc?

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 9, 2020 11:39 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

“For your own good” is extremely creepy and authoritarian. If you want to be vaccinated that is your choice. If you don’t that is your choice too. (Or should be).

They likely won’t say it’s for your own personal good. What they will probably say is ‘it’s for society’s good’. In other words, you’ll be accused of harming others if you don’t go along with the plan; in fact, I can foresee them making it legally mandatory for that very reason.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 9, 2020 12:20 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Exactly. It’s the same framework they’ve set up for everything else. Don’t want to wear a mask? But it’s for the good of society! Why are you so selfish? Your civil liberties don’t give you the right to endanger others! Want to run your business? Same, and you’re a materialistic weasel who wants to make money off dead grandma. This also shuts down arguments involving the adverse economic impact (putting it mildly). My G-d, a coworker was telling me over the phone that she got into a knock-down drag-out fight with her grown son because he wants to get a haircut when the barbers are allowed to open on the 12th. She apparently told him he’s endangering lives, including his own, and that she won’t let him over to the house if he’s going to take ‘risks like that’. I had to mute the phone and make some… other noises… before I could make the vague sympathetic ones she expected.
Those of us who are concerned with individual choice and freedom are being portrayed as dangerously unstable menaces to public health. You want to wear a mask? Go for it, you do you, live your best life, whatever. You want to keep your business closed or not go to the grocery because you’re uncomfortable? Okay. Want me to stay six feet away from you? Happy to oblige. But your rights end where mine begin. As long as I’m not actively menacing you with my bodily fluids (*eyeroll*), what I do in my daily life should be my business alone.
Yeah, yeah, I know. What a naive little dream.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 9, 2020 3:45 PM
Reply to  NowhereOH

Good points you make. Wearing masks is actually bad for health because they concentrate bacteria around your mouth and nose. Also they concentrate more exhaled carbon dioxide for inhaling back in which is bad for your health. Masks are only necessary for doctors and surgeons to prevent them potentially infecting a patient who is vulnerable and are only worn for short periods of time. Masks are potentially a great source of false protection, harboring bacteria, preventing correct breathing and spreading paranoia.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 10, 2020 12:04 AM
Reply to  David Meredith

I got into an argument with a family member about this the other day and was basically stonewalled by an endless refrain of ‘then why do doctors and nurses wear them?’ When I pointed out the issue of bacteria, I got a scoff and a, ‘Oh, I don’t think there’s enough time for bacteria to grow!’ (what about all of these grocery store clerks and other service workers who have to wear their masks during the entire working day?) Basically, it wasn’t an argument I was ever going to win, but I appreciate the points you made about correct breathing and carbon dioxide. Unfortunately, this is turning into a situation where we are trying to convince the frightened villagers that garlic won’t protect them from vampires. And, in this case, the garlic isn’t just useless… it might be harmful in and of itself.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 10, 2020 12:47 AM
Reply to  David Meredith

Gosh-all those tens or millions of East Asians who wear masks when outside every winter must be really dumb, eh?

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 10, 2020 2:05 AM

You are perfectly happy to believe tens of thousands of Australians or Americans can be dumb. Why can’t that apply to East Asians also? Inverted racism?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 10, 2020 10:24 AM
Reply to  Admin1

Hello! What a surprise to see you popping up to attack the Badthinker. A ‘free exchange of opinions’, is it?

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 10, 2020 3:27 PM

Yes, it is. And you didn’t actually answer my point.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
May 11, 2020 7:56 PM
Reply to  Admin1

Pssss. “Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ”
― Nikola Tesla
🙂

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 10, 2020 11:05 AM

No not dumb, just not fully informed that they are useless for protection against virus.

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 12:28 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

‘it’s for society’s good

You mean socialism ?

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 9, 2020 3:39 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

It’s extremely important then that most people understand what is really going on then and that the vaccines will do far more harm than good. If most people refuse the vaccine then it’s doomed as it should be.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 9, 2020 3:41 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

I can see those who refuse to be vaccinated being vilified as the people who are stopping the lockdown from being ended.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 10, 2020 10:58 AM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

That’s a big worry. Truth is that the lockdown could be easily and completely ended in June if not earlier. And there would be really no significant spread of the disease. This is being deliberately prolonged along with a fear campaign in order to get the vaccine agenda going.

breweriana
breweriana
May 9, 2020 11:39 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Many vaccines contain MRC-5:
Organism: Homo sapiens, human
Tissue: lung
Cell Type: fibroblast
References: Jacobs JP, et al. Characteristics of a human diploid cell designated MRC-5. Nature 227: 168-170, 1970. PubMed: 4316953.
http://www.lgcstandards-atcc.org/products/all/CCL-171.aspx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vaccine_ingredients

In simple terms, taking a vaccine means that you are permitting the cells of an aborted human foetus to be put in your body.

I’d rather get the ‘flu.

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 12:31 PM
Reply to  breweriana

I’d rather get the ‘flu.

Me too, but I’m not against others taking their chance with the vaccine. PERSONAL CHOICE!

And frankly would rather die in my own bed than hooked up to machines in hospital.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 10, 2020 11:00 AM
Reply to  Objective

Exactly right!

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 10, 2020 12:49 AM
Reply to  breweriana

Many vaccine ‘adjuvants’ are kept secret, for ‘commercial’ reasons.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 7:45 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Not to mention neuro-toxic adjuvants like aluminium, or preservatives like Thimerosol ( an organomercury compound.)

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 7:54 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I believe that generally vaccines are safe and help in the fight against disease.

Sounds like an article of faith John, rather than something grounded in science. Do you also believe that there has never been an incidence of vaccine damage?

I have some understanding of how they actually work and it is clear that the majority of people, not only here, but in the wider world have no clue about how they work.

Why not give us here your understanding of how they work, and we can compare our understanding with yours? If we are as clueless as you claim, then you will at least have performed a charitable act of education. We may be no wiser, but we will at least be somewhat better informed.

Sigmund Ward
Sigmund Ward
May 9, 2020 10:16 AM
    Philippe
    Philippe
    May 9, 2020 10:23 AM
    Reply to  Sigmund Ward

    I’m guessing this means you’re speechless.

    Completely understand that reaction!

    Seamus Padraig
    Seamus Padraig
    May 9, 2020 11:39 AM
    Reply to  Philippe

    He got 5 upvotes for that anyway!

    Philippe
    Philippe
    May 9, 2020 1:21 PM
    Reply to  Seamus Padraig

    Indeed. In this instance, perhaps nothing was the most appropriate thing to say.

    Objective
    Objective
    May 9, 2020 2:31 PM
    Reply to  Philippe

    conspicuous in his omission.

    Reg
    Reg
    May 9, 2020 2:21 PM
    Reply to  Sigmund Ward

    Upvoted. Took the words right out of my mouth.

    Philippe
    Philippe
    May 9, 2020 4:19 PM
    Reply to  Reg

    As I write this, he has 14 upvotes. For no comment 🙂

    Has this ever happened before? Admins?

    Admin1
    Admin
    Admin1
    May 9, 2020 5:40 PM
    Reply to  Philippe

    Not since I’ve been doing this.🤷🏻‍♀️

    Philippe
    Philippe
    May 9, 2020 7:18 PM
    Reply to  Admin1

    Sigmund appears to have captured the zeitgeist 😎

    Objective
    Objective
    May 9, 2020 9:08 PM
    Reply to  Philippe

    It does kind of make the comments section obsolete if we all followed suit.

    Arsebiscuits
    Arsebiscuits
    May 9, 2020 6:13 PM
    Reply to  Sigmund Ward

    Liar

    Richard Le Sarc
    Richard Le Sarc
    May 10, 2020 12:50 AM
    Reply to  Sigmund Ward

    Very Zen-here’s an upvote for your koan.

    Tom
    Tom
    May 9, 2020 8:53 AM

    Around the 3:30 mark of the video, Corbett mentions the “18-month” talking point that “heads of state, health officials, doctors, media talking heads” have been repeating. I think it is important to point out that central bankers are repeating this narrative. Minneapolis Federal Reserve Bank CEO, Neil Kashkari, on CBS/Face the Nation, repeats the magic “18-month strategy” and the concern for rolling “flare-ups” of the virus during that time-period.

    Video of Kashkari can be seen here:
    Also, an article with a summary of the Kashkari’s appearance here.

    So it seems obvious that world financial, political and health elites are colluding on something which requires 18 months to complete before it can be executed (that would be around September 2021). Fed involvement (likely control) of this plan suggests that the ultimate goal involves much, much more than a vaccine for a seasonal flu virus and will likely entail further centralization of control over world finance.

    Tom
    Tom
    May 9, 2020 8:56 AM
    Reply to  Tom

    To keep up with financial consequences of lockdown, I recommend following the comments of economist Richard Werner on Twitter (@scientificecon). I find him to be a consistent and reliable pro-decentralization voice on such matters. He wrote Princes of the Yen after having experienced the central bank-engineered financial collapse of Japan (basically, post-1991) as an economist there. I’ve only seen the video based on the book.) He speaks at least three languages fluently: German (native tongue), English (Oxford doctorate) and Japanese.

    Edwige
    Edwige
    May 9, 2020 9:25 AM
    Reply to  Tom

    18 = 6 + 6 + 6.

    Also, research into an alleged vaccine involves an enzyme called…. luciferase.

    Example:
    https://www.promega.co.uk/applications/virus-detection-assay-coronavirus-detection-covid-19-sars-cov-2/sars-cov-2-vaccine-and-therapeutic-research/

    Seamus Padraig
    Seamus Padraig
    May 9, 2020 12:01 PM
    Reply to  Edwige

    Gates also recently took out a patent whose number has three 6s in it. (Notice how Snopes confirms the story, yet then tries to claim that it is “mostly false”!)

    Ortrud
    Ortrud
    May 9, 2020 1:04 PM
    Reply to  Seamus Padraig

    Stop dragging the issue into some crazed out conspiracy realm, it has nothing to do with Satanic numbers or whatever!
    The issue at hand is that the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation has bought up most health ministries and institutions worldwide and is now manufacturing a vaccine that´s extremely unsafe, might injure or kill untold numbers of people including your own family members. And directly or indirectly our governments will force us to get vaccinated with it. If you don´t comply you will soon no longer be able to travel or get one of the rare jobs being still available when the crisis is over.

    JohnB
    JohnB
    May 9, 2020 1:27 PM
    Reply to  Ortrud

    If you don´t comply you will soon no longer be able to travel or get one of the rare jobs being still available when the crisis is over.

    This is just repeating the bad guys’ agenda for them. Please stop.

    Richard Le Sarc
    Richard Le Sarc
    May 10, 2020 12:52 AM
    Reply to  Ortrud

    My God! Ortrud is Beelzebub’s cat! Nice try, comrade.

    Geks
    Geks
    May 9, 2020 12:21 PM
    Reply to  Edwige

    In another Dan Brown-esque twist, Covi (the D is for disease, the covi for corona virus) if treated as a word itself is from the italian Covare (hidden, secret, mystery, etc). Converted to Hebrew, it, of course, also means mystery, hidden, etc. The mem on the right hand side seems to mean ‘from’, the final mem and yodh on the left hand side seems to add ‘king over the sea/waters’ or something luke that (the ‘waters’, as far as I understand it, refers to the nations, the peoples of those nations). If you remove these at either side, you have a word that means ‘contradiction’ (see: was, is not, will be). If you replace them again just for fun, you have Mystery sitting atop the beast (the beast meaning chimera – feet of a leopard, nose of drunk highlander and so forth – I’m just waiting for the announcement that the virus is a chimera of other viruses – although the mixture of host species might do at a biiig stretch). Seven types of human coronavirus, 7 crowns, etc etc. The Hebrew word that means ‘contradiction’ (after the removal of the ‘from’ and the ‘king over the sea/waters’), incidentally, is 666 in gematria. Fortunately, the original number was 616 according to some ancient-er discovered texts and the difference is thought to be something to do with the name Nero Caesar being fetched from either ancient Greek or Latin. Unless, that is, people like to treat these pretend prophecies as road maps and their map was drawn post-the-Latin🤔. Still, I dont think the novel would sell very well for a few decades 😁

    Seamus Padraig
    Seamus Padraig
    May 9, 2020 11:55 AM
    Reply to  Tom

    Fed involvement (likely control) of this plan suggests that the ultimate goal involves much, much more than a vaccine for a seasonal flu virus and will likely entail further centralization of control over world finance.

    Digital dollar, maybe? Pepe Escobar says that China is already unveiling their new digital yuan.

    If so, we can well imagine that once everybody has traded in their paper dollars for digibux, Gates’ next move will be a digital ‘wallet’ on a nanochip injected right into to you. That way, they can cut you off cold whenever they want.

    jack(jim)
    jack(jim)
    May 9, 2020 8:24 AM

    Vaccines are the least of our problems at the moment, the destruction done to the economy should be our major concern and who has really ordered it. This is the second recent attempt, after Brexit, to destroy the British economy for no good reason, we should explore who is doing that.

    BigB
    BigB
    May 9, 2020 9:40 AM
    Reply to  jack(jim)

    Nature ordered the destruction of the economy: shall we seek further punitive action on Nature to seek redress? Or should we learn our lesson and use the negative feedback to alter our relationship with Nature?

    Seriously Dude, there is something called thermodynamics which the entire civilisational history of man chose to ignore. The stupidity is all our own: for constructing a fabricated false relation with Nature – imperium in imperio (status in statu: the state within the state) – that was one of techno-scientific domination and civilisational econometric overpower. You can hardly blame Nature for how inveterately stupid we are, can you?

    And even now: our contingent ‘scientific’ – overly reductive, analytical, mechanical, machine-like minds seek specific persons to iconise and ‘blame’. Which is overly reductive, analytical, determinate identity and cause and effect invention of a created Nature …in full effect.

    The ’cause’ was just this rational analytic Truth verification principle – of ”dead positivism” – that is to ‘blame’. As verified as a collectivity and consensual domain – within and immune from any cause and effect relation with Nature – across space and time by more or less everyone. Civilisation is to blame – especially in its industrial and technological capitalist phase. Which just metastasised into its true form – that has been visible in all but the shires of the privileged Heartland – for decades. We did it. We fucked the economy. By the hegemony of consensual behaviourism and rational actor thinking.

    Now: ‘blame’ is a vestigial remnant of the cause and effect nihilism that got us here. If we – the broadest we – are willing to learn from our catastrophic historically compounded myopic behaviourism – then there is some new hope that things may change. It’s a bit late: but I am sure we can rescue something from our collectised socio-idiocy.

    The thing is: when a system approaches the ”edge of chaos” …it nearly always uses its feedback to avert chaos. In theory. We operate as a system – not as a collection composed of individuals – but if our primary mode of regulation is linearised cause and effect – and not circular feedback mechanisms – we will we will continue oblivious over the ”edge of chaos” …and we really do not want to do that. To avert: we need the next level of thinking to supervene cause and effect determinism …which is dynamic systems thinking. Blame got us here: it won’t get us out …if their is an out of overtly reductive and determinate cause and effect machine-like thinking. Blame the system: change the system …the individuals are the product of the system – not the other way around. The ”good regulator” is the perfect model of the system – which makes them easier to spot. But everyone is incorporated in the econometric determinism of the system – to a greater or lesser degree. Only in a new thermodynamically balanced system can we begin to be free.

    John Pretty
    John Pretty
    May 9, 2020 10:23 AM
    Reply to  BigB

    “Nature ordered the destruction of the economy”

    Are you a Conservative voter BigB?

    Because I cannot see any other reason why you would want to absolve Boris and the rest of his cronies in the UK Parliament from their responsibility for this mess.

    I agree that “the blame game” is often counter productive. But Boris is in a position of great responsibility in the UK. He has to be accountable. The buck stops with him.

    Haltonbrat
    Haltonbrat
    May 9, 2020 11:07 AM
    Reply to  John Pretty

    But what if Johnson is controlled by some other group?

    Max Cat
    Max Cat
    May 9, 2020 11:59 AM
    Reply to  Haltonbrat

    Of course he is – that’s why he was allowed to become PM

    jack(jim)
    jack(jim)
    May 9, 2020 12:26 PM
    Reply to  Max Cat

    He is a US puppet, what else could he possibly be. Has anyone read a history book here? this is how empires are run.

    Objective
    Objective
    May 9, 2020 9:11 PM
    Reply to  Haltonbrat

    what if

    What do you mean, “what if”, as if he had the intelligence to conceive of the idea of being PM all on his own? Hes the village idiots role model.

    Ramdan
    Ramdan
    May 9, 2020 11:13 AM
    Reply to  John Pretty

    The point of BigB-as I underestand- is not that we should let unchecked the “Gates & Jhonsons” of this world, it has nothing to do with politics, being conservatives or liberals or any oter label so believed to be true.
    The point is that the real, primary cause of all of the problems we are witnessing runs deeper that a group of “bad apples”.
    The origin of all this is a faulty and distorted perception of reality, what is rotten is the thought system within wich solutions are being looked, a system that ignores the interrelatedness of all and every aspect of life as a whole…This distorted thought process/underestanding is within each and everyone of us and forms the base for all we “know” today and of human societies.

    This type of (miss)’underestanding’ is not new and has been with us for millennia and that is the real cause and it can not provide with a permanent solution but only a temporary relief, a band-aid which would be eliminating the bad apples and fixing some things here and there.
    For a permanent solution we (as humanity) need to change the whole approach to one that is sytemic (in the sense of the whole planet, the whole life).

    Objective
    Objective
    May 9, 2020 12:50 PM
    Reply to  Ramdan

    Indeed our attempts to subvert natural process & to remove our species from the natural order of all things, humanities most dangerous concept!

    In other words privileged over educated “liberals” are to blame, with their scientism worship, along with all the other religions before it.

    BigB
    BigB
    May 9, 2020 11:53 AM
    Reply to  John Pretty

    That is such utter bollocks: I expect you even know it is. 😀

    Humanity – inasmuch as it exists as such (a metaphysical essentialist singularity) – does not and cannot think individually. Otherwise: we would have to invent a language, a culture, and a history before we even had a medium of thought. Then we would have a ”private language” with no participatory and communicative efficacy. We think collectively: or not at all. The individual personality is a rarification artefact of the nexus of language, culture, history and economy. In which we are firmly rooted as a loose assemblage of cultural-linguistic, socio-historic, and politico-economic determinate identities of contingent thought.

    I know I am wasting my time: but the entire history of philosophy, sociology of knowledge, and cognitive cultural linguistics – not to mention cognitive neuroscience – appear to have passed most everyone by. And the post-war anti-fascist critique of Debord, Derrida, Baudrillard, and Deleuze and Guattari are largely unknown and forgotten …but they knew a thing or two about language ideologies, metaphysics, and fascism. Lessons of the last 90-150 years we really could have done with learning. But we did not: so let’s move on.

    Language is fascism; culture is fascism; history is fascism; politics is fascism. And above all: driving everything else: economy is autonomous and totalitarian fascism. And the Spectacular fascist control method is to reduce everything to methodological individualism: of the mystical Cartesian ”To be, I am – WE” (Western essentialism; esse = Being) …which is metaphysical mumbo-jumbo and totalitarian nonsense. But fools all of the people: all of the time with spectral imagistic magisterial individualism.

    Funnily enough: I was just reading some Descartes …with my usual total incredulity that people continue to believe such nonsense. And why do we consent to be individually controlled by someone else’s (universally valid law-like externalised) control descriptions …derived by metaphysics?

    But we never learnt that lesson: we are content to be in voluntary servitude to something that conforms to a ”To be, I am = WE” libertarian fasciscular tradition of knowledge, truth, and hierarchical power of industrial neoliberalism (the ideology of hyper-individualism) …even when it is self-evidently metastasising and systemically fascising. Still: we consented to legitimate this historical bollox with applying critical thinking to where it was going. More fool we.

    Fair enough: no-one else was part of that systemic progression of power/knowledge and declension of humanity. It was just Boris: sorted!

    Now if we just vote for Starmer next time round: that long-awaited reform of capitalism and humanisation of the system can begin?

    Please: that how we got here. And that is a redux of how they got there in 1933. We never learn from history: until it repeats …again. When we will ignore those who analysed the system qua system …again.

    Objective
    Objective
    May 9, 2020 1:56 PM
    Reply to  BigB

    I once spent many weeks (don’t recall how many, probably a self conscious effort) isolated with only nature as company in one of only a few wild places left in the UK.

    After a time a therapeutic sense of not being, having no self importance of being an individual just a part of nature, as if my life was irrelevant I WAS nature i WAS a part of everything around me. I felt no more important than the beetles rummaging in leaf litter , the rustling leaves on the trees, the birds singing or the falling drops of rain, the rabbit gathering bedding, the crows hammering to death the skulls of rabbit kits. Wildlife seemed less afraid of me despite sometimes my need to consume it to sustain my own vital requirements. I didn’t waste the opportunity with destructive past times with needless consumption of natures jewels making self indulgent gimmicks, i embedded my soul in nature.

    No it wasn’t drug induced or a hallucination. I simply allowed myself to become NATURAL, being nothing gave me the greatest sense of freedom I have EVER experienced a true sense of equilibrium with my environment, a sense of belonging and fulfillment I have never been able to replicate in civilization.

    WHY does civilization, society, politicians, democracy, community, socialism, the system do so much to prevent us from being in this state of being FREE?

    Control, what is fascism in its rawest form, if its not CONTROL? We are evolving our species into extinction just as nature intended.

    BigB
    BigB
    May 9, 2020 6:58 PM
    Reply to  Objective

    Objective:

    That I can relate to: having done much the same. The system qua system was set up as an allopoietic system. That is: a system of externalised control and order: which is allonomic. Which externally law-like relations of fixed determinations of cause and effect. Which is our supposed detrmination of natural law. Only: nature is not universally lawful. It is autonomous, novel. and self-similar – but not ever fixed, determinate, and linearly cause and effect.

    Systems thinking developed millennia before cause and effect ”scientific” rational analystic thinking …which is a relatively recent invention. With the linearisation of timelines; classification of knowing in rigid hierarchical class structures; the coincidence of the Industrial Revolution and the Enlightenment; the mathamagenesis of quantities over qualities (of Descartes and Newton); and such like …Modern Man was invented barely more than 300 years ago. Which just happened to coincide with another modern invention: capitalism. Modern Man and Enlightenment values – of clasical liberal democracy and capitalist econometrics – go hand in hand. There is no need for a historical archeology.

    But the biggest ommission by far has to be the exclusion of consciousness from the entire process: from Galileo forward. We excluded ourselves from our scientific cosmography. And our economy. Though few have seemed to notice.

    And it is an econometric cosmographia and historographia: because it is wholly made up. As Vico commented with his verum-factum principle …truth itself is invented. And capitalism has created a blinding and sanitised, naturalised, truth principle for itself. One that is beyond critique. Freedom is a pure invention of state philosophy and bourgeois sociology. We are not free: but no one wants to admit that. Which is how the system qua system becomes autonomous: not controlled by human behavioural action …but controlling human behavioural activity.

    The solution is a return to community over society: as per Tonnies. Smaller, less centralised autonomous groups …arranged around their own productivity – the very opposite of globalisation and planetary industrialisation. Which is human scale: where ones inner state is an actual part of the organic solidarity of the community. An autopoietic system: as if people mattered.

    I really do not understand the vehemence against this: our only suvivable option. And the best option for humanity and that state of nature we both once shared.

    Objective
    Objective
    May 9, 2020 7:12 PM
    Reply to  BigB



    Though it failed probably as much to do with government & liberal obsession with property ownership, than unsustainable practice of living on a island with finite resources, i do/can subscribe to true egalitarian based community based on reverence of nature.

    Mike Ellwood
    Mike Ellwood
    May 10, 2020 8:04 PM
    Reply to  Objective

    in one of only a few wild places left in the UK.

    Off the point, I suppose, but people may be surprised how many wild or at least semi-wild places there are, not very far from “civlisation. I’ve been reminded of this on my daily walks, where I do try to get away from people (not because I’m afraid of the “virus” but because it then avoids the silly necessity to dance around each other as part of anti-social distancing.

    The other day I saw a young deer. This less than a mile from a railway line, and probably only about a mile and a half from a town of about 40,000 people.

    Objective
    Objective
    May 10, 2020 8:21 PM
    Reply to  Mike Ellwood

    A good point & thanks for your reply. Yes towns & even cities still harbor little oasis’s of nature. What people call brown field sites are so much more valuable than desert like mono cultured fields many like to think of as the green belt (countryside).

    True wilderness doesn’t really exist, like everything else with the Neo-liberal world everything on this planet is under technocratic scrutiny & control. Even those highly lauded places like the Serengeti or antarctic are still managed principally by humanity for the economy.

    My experience was many decades ago before “science” based conservation took over and became just another economic sector. There’s no where to go to see, be with nature now. Neo-liberal arrogance has taken over with the belief you can control nature & still have natural!