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WATCH: ‘Boris Johnson coercing UK into accepting covid19 house arrest’

UK column have been doing some of the best work exposing the realities of the covid19 rollout. We recommend everyone follow their channel. This May 11 segment looks at Boris Johnson’s latest announcements and what the new five-stage ‘Covid alert system’ means for UK citizens.

It should be obvious by now, even to the most determinedly avoidant or trusting individuals that the ‘covid alert system’ and all the rest of the authoritarian baggage being unpacked has nothing to do with disease prevention and control.

You do not need special five-stage alert systems to deal with a common coronavirus that is admitted to be harmless to 89-99% of those infected.

Let’s stop and read that again. And again. Let’s repeat it as often as needed for the meaning to penetrate to the same level of mind currently in the grip of the fear porn.

Harmless to 80-99% of those infected.

Despite all the speculation you can read about strokes, permanent lung damage, weird bat DNA etc etc, it still does not change the fact that, according to the same official sources trying to scare you, this is a minor coronavirus that is harmless to the hugely overwhelming majority of human beings.

Put your programmed fear response aside and watch this valuable breakdown.

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jonnyrotten
jonnyrotten
May 26, 2020 6:36 PM

The important thing to know is that they are more scared of us than we are of them. they are terrified of a popular uprising, against the one party state in the US, their oligarchs and against the American Empire and dollar overseas. They are terrified and have every reason to be.

But be aware they are well prepared, and have created a fake counter culture around the far right, who are their fake opposition, their faux revolutionary forces, who are poised to steal the thunder from any real uprising. Amongst the uneducated and ill informed, this has powerful resonance and is well designed to hijack any real revolution.
Many here have fallen for and feel ready to attack some fantasy ‘international globalist conspiracy’ without realising that you are as much a tool or useful idiots of the US deep state as Johnson or Cummings. If you are in 77th brigade realise your commanders have been hijacked by a foreign power, not bill gates.
The real enemy is the US deep state and their power to control us in vicious murderous operations like Covid, and their weak spot is the dollar. The quicker the dollar is pulled down the quicker this will be resolved.

Martin Fookes
Martin Fookes
May 22, 2020 9:40 AM

Of course it’s true that the vast, vast majority have little or nothing to fear from coronavirus. No-one is disputing that. Whether you support a lockdown will depend, therefore, on what empathy and compassion you feel for the tiny minority who will die, or be severely impacted, by the spread of it. Those with a bitter personal experience may be looking to you for some sort of support.
All this conspiracy theory crap about Bill Gates (he doesn’t need the money, believe me), or G5 masts spreading the virus, or whatever else you believe in, or God you pray to, cannot disguise the fact that no government on earth would bring on the economic devastation that a lockdown causes, unless it thought there was a really compelling argument for doing so.

Sarah Jean Packman
Sarah Jean Packman
May 22, 2020 5:05 PM
Reply to  Martin Fookes

Virtue signalling at its most sinister. ‘I’m in favour of lockdown and therefore care about other people. You don’t believe lockdown works and therefore you’re a murderer’.

Here’s what I think is happening; those who are trembling in their homes right now are the same people who tremble in their homes most of the time. Their personalities lean towards fear and anxiety. Covid-19 has been a gift to these people; ‘there actually IS something to be afraid of… I’ve been right all along!’

This is probably the hundredth time I’ve challenged the fearful on this, but here goes again; lockdown has not changed the course of the viruses infection or mortality. It ‘may’ have delayed the rate of infection, but even that is not born out by the evidence to date.

The reason we’re still in lockdown despite the greatest minds in the land saying otherwise is not because there’s a convincing argument for it, it’s because of people like you; once the Government scared the sheeple into their homes, they then had to try and reverse the message to get you back out again…without saying ‘oops we fucked up’. But even now you won’t re-emerge, either because of irrational fear or because you’re work-shy.

You are destroying lives now and for years to come and I wish we had a Government that would have a bit of leadership and give you all a kick up the pants. That’s whats required at this stage.

Martin Fookes
Martin Fookes
May 22, 2020 8:33 PM
Reply to  Martin Fookes

Clearly, Sarah, you didn’t read my first sentence. You can’t strengthen your argument by accusing me of virtue-signalling and putting, not just words, but whole sentences into my mouth.
So, clear your mind of the oh-so-patronising notion that you’re “challenging the fearful.” I repeat, the vast majority have little or nothing to fear and don’t need to be told so.

The only difference between them and you is that most of them understand fully that the lockdown is not for their benefit.

I’m well aware too that the government has fucked up in many areas. There are many more saying the lockdown came too late, or that it should be kept in force for longer, than are arguing it should never have been imposed at all. They have just one thing in common. They all think they’re right and none of them will ever be able to prove it.

claire
claire
May 20, 2020 1:40 PM

hello. I would like to join the discussion and offer some possible theories. As human beings we are all equiped with a truth radar, some of us switch it on regurlarly but many people have become so dumbed down that they wouldnt even know where the switch was. I have had my truth radar on red alert since the beginning of all this as im sure all of you have. Our intuition is telling us something is off. My theory from the start is all about borders and locating people. By shutting everything down and scaring the bejesus out of folk they can start the process of resetting borders, locating people and reclaiming control of their countries. Under the guise of the worlds most deadliest virus they can achieve anything and set new rules. This in turn them allows them from a clean slate to know where everyone is. Sort of getting the house in order. Sometimes under the big scarey wolves clothing lies a sheep. Granted this is not often the case, but i like to look at all possibilities before deciding its the end of the world. signed pollianna

TrueNorth
TrueNorth
May 16, 2020 9:04 PM

Here’s another news story (from April 22, highlighted again in Nature’s May 7th edition) about a powerful public figure, “I’m a finance guy”-he says, on a crusade to harass people who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 and their contacts under the pretense of contact-tracing:

“Former World Bank president Jim Yong Kim is spearheading an ambitious US$44-million project to control COVID-19 in the state of Massachusetts”.

Apparently Fauci’s friend, Mr Kim got access to state funding to hire 1000 people to call people previously diagnosed people so that their contacts could be quarantined.

I guess this is also related to the lists of addresses that some (or all) states maintain of COVID-19 diagnosed people, as highlighted by earlier reports of medical information sharing with police in Massachusetts, Alabama and Florida, and in select areas of North Carolina.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01218-7?error=cookies_not_supported&code=86890621-2674-4958-b35f-23224ebaa379

ThomPrentice
ThomPrentice
May 15, 2020 6:31 PM

Why does this stupid color-coded covid alert chart REMIND ME of the stupid color-coded TERROR ALERT chart circa Bush/Cheney/Rumsefeld?

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 15, 2020 4:13 PM

On Wednesday the Supreme Court found Gerry Adams’ interment to have been unlawful. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52646688
There is a parallel here with the Coronavirus regulations. The court found that Adams’ detention was unlawful because it had been a result of nothing more than the suspicion of the authorities. This is precisely what the Coronavirus regulations provide for. Under the regulations the authorities can detain persons on nothing more than suspicion. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/129/regulation/8/made

bob
bob
May 15, 2020 2:17 PM
bob
bob
May 15, 2020 2:06 PM

the last vestiges of democracy in britain – listen to Peter Bone MP – are there any MPs still alive – cos they sure are getting paid by us for what?

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/peter-bone-tory-mp-boris-johnson-lockdown-wrong-west-wing-2851521

John
John
May 15, 2020 1:03 PM

This Corona virus thing is such a low brow modern mass man theater, I guess modern mass man has a need for big drama in his petty over-regulated life. Then, engaging in a drama of fear where he-together regulates everything and himself even more is exactly the kind of theater, sentimental group play he prefers. Primary unsophisticated emotions like fear as the basis, combined with incestuous group sentimentality, ‘stay safe’. The scenery of the collective theater can be seen on the streets and shopping malls. The scenery of the drama is played out on locations which are mass man’s favorite, and through occupations which are his favorite, locations and occupations where he normally finds relief of boredom, where he fill his stomach and where he shops are now bizarrely theatrically empty. His favorite hobby, moving horizontally in his car, is temporarily renounced, in exchange for a collective group play, a group soap of fear and sentimentality. All this on a global scale, typical of modern mass man.

It is the best theater modern mass man can make, unsophisticated basic emotions, group sentimentality, group heroism by means of a temporary renouncing of the usual obsessive activities, socializing, eating, shopping, and even the activity, according to mass man and his demagogic leaders, the most holy of, all, work, and a terrain the most holy of al ‘economy’. Renouncing such pleasures and obsessions of boredom, symptomatic of his condition, and playing this out on his favorite terrains and activities is the best of heroism this degenerated being is capable of, the best of what he is allowed in his condition of self chosen slavery. Even the social distancing measures are typically his, characterized by uniformity in spirit and movement, the dance which he plays with this self imposed choreography is, other than producing chaos and destruction, the best he is capable of, while wearing masks of uniformity, acting it out on his mass man consumerist-work-slave stage.

Modern man, this spiritually degenerated hyper-regulated animal is more and more in need for such mass theater and collective play, and elites are very eager to provide him with the foundational narratives.

John
John
May 15, 2020 1:22 PM
Reply to  John

The elevated.. subject of the drama: The Herd is Endangered.
The object of the heroism: Protection of the Herd.

Come and see the play now people, now playing in the Theaters of the Media.
Talented or not, you can take part in the play if you like, actually, you must, you belong to us, The Herd.

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 16, 2020 2:40 AM
Reply to  John

This is more than mass theater.

The theater has a greenroom – and it is sadistic genocide.

White Horse Mountain
White Horse Mountain
May 15, 2020 12:26 PM

Crap.

The author of the article is uninformed.

The death rate is meaningless.

The destruction of testicles by sars-n-2 means extinction.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 15, 2020 12:46 PM

You’re very silly and under-informed

sam
sam
May 15, 2020 11:57 AM

Is it time to investigate the share dealings of the Cabinet, SAGE, NERTAG, Ferguson etc from December to date??
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/social-media-mainstream-media-must-be-held-financially-criminally-responsible-censorship-public-misinformation
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8317965/FBI-serves-search-warrant-Sen-Richard-Burr-insider-trading-probe.html
FBI raid home of Senator Richard Burr and seize his cellphone amid probe into sale of $1.7M stock the Intelligence Committee chair made after classified coronavirus briefings

Joe Smith
Joe Smith
May 15, 2020 8:58 AM

I saw this Covid Hoax sticker on a bus stop yesterday:comment image

so there is some hope!

Billy Ray Bob
Billy Ray Bob
May 15, 2020 9:01 AM
Reply to  Joe Smith

Love it. There are still a few people with functioning brains around. Thank goodness.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 15, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  Joe Smith

Interesting. Probably been removed by now. What area was this, Joe?

Joe Smith
Joe Smith
May 15, 2020 11:38 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

This is a bus stop next to Highgate tube station, N6

Reg
Reg
May 15, 2020 3:22 PM
Reply to  Joe Smith

Excellent!

wardropper
wardropper
May 15, 2020 5:51 PM
Reply to  Joe Smith

Not just hope, but a damn good idea!

wardropper
wardropper
May 15, 2020 5:53 PM
Reply to  wardropper

The only answer for “the authorities”, of course, is to make it illegal to post anything anywhere, but at least the war of modern governments against their own people is out in the open now!

Shardlake
Shardlake
May 17, 2020 11:13 AM
Reply to  wardropper

All that’s needed now is a Roman centurion in the form of a police officer to catch the poster and insist he uses the correct grammar and to write it out a hundred times all over the place. (Life of Brian style).

wardropper
wardropper
May 17, 2020 5:53 PM
Reply to  Shardlake

A happy consequence of the dumbing-down of the public is that the “authorities” have also dumbed themselves down.
Much more attention should have been given to something which I read about 10 years ago concerning police recruitment in the USA. The article said that there was an unwritten policy of not recruiting candidates who were “too bright”, because they “wouldn’t fit in”…
Now that applies to practically any career. If you don’t “fit in”, you’re out. Which is why Trump, Johnson, Bush, Guaido, Trudeau, Macron, Merkel, May, Cameron, Blair, Gore and Obama are all “in”. God help us…

Stewart
Stewart
May 20, 2020 9:52 AM
Reply to  Joe Smith

A good idea, but unfortunately poorly executed. It looks like an 80s indie band poster and the list of “links” is vague and confused.
I think a poster produced in the NHS/government style, with a question rather than a giant HOAX headline would be more effective.
A series of QR codes would enable smartphone “users” to actually access some real information instantly.
The emphasis should be on the UK’s investment in organisations and commercial interests that stand to profit from a global pandemic, and the links with bill gates’s operations. Let the figures speak for themselves.
Very interesting approach, though. In the age of omnipresent internet, the way to get noticed is to go off-internet. This is why I send typewritten letters instead of emails…

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 14, 2020 10:40 PM

So it is not harmless to upto 20% and worse for ONE of these 20%?

Well percents are just percents what is that in real people?

Given there is a round 7 billion people alive currently.
That makes it.

20% = 1,400,000,000 people.
1% = 70,000,000 people.

Nothing to cry about is it? Just a few zeroes – who cares whether there is a zero or two less!

crank
crank
May 14, 2020 10:47 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Ooooo,
death,
i’n’t it terrible !

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
May 15, 2020 4:07 AM
Reply to  crank

Well. You can’t say that until you actually tried it really. I heard from those who did it’s a bunch of nothing. Not even a burger involved apparently.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 15, 2020 9:11 AM
Reply to  crank

When it’s someone else!

RobG
RobG
May 14, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Dungroanin, over the coming months 100s of millions of people are going to starve to death in the poorer regions of the world. Even the UN are now describing it as a famine of Biblical proportions.

Also a huge number will be starving to death in neoliberal lunatic asylums like the US and UK.

RobG
RobG
May 14, 2020 11:24 PM
Reply to  RobG

Fat, overweight slugs like Mike Grahame on Talk Radio UK and Nick Ferrari on LBC are paid huge amounts of money to slouch in their chairs and pump out corporate propaganda. How the feck anyone takes a blind bit of notice of what these cockroaches say is beyond me.

In a sane world these sort of people would be put on trial.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 15, 2020 12:11 AM
Reply to  RobG

Its their owners and editors who are the shites Rob – you should know they are just following orders just like the 77th.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 15, 2020 12:09 AM
Reply to  RobG

Please do give us the link to these, have we run out of food as well as toilet rolls too?

And to answer your second post below as well – what makes you think I’m crying?

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
May 15, 2020 4:10 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Pffft. Find your own links there are enough of them. Weeks worth of them.

Magggie
Magggie
May 15, 2020 12:29 AM
Reply to  RobG

Yes RobG millions are going to starve worldwide, thanks to the Imperialist/corporatist. But what does that matter in the grand scheme of things….Did you cry when the 2 million Vietnamese civilians died, or the 1.1 million North Vietnamese soldiers, or the 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers or the 58000 US soldiers during the Vietnamese War? Or the 2,000,000. Cambodians murdered by Pol Pot. Or the millions who starved in Biafra. Or the 1.5 million children starved by the US sanctions, before the war, when Madeline Albright said it was worth. It to get the oil… then went on to sanction the murder of 461,000 during the Iraq war which was created on another LIE…
Add to that the 25,000 Libyans murdered so that the US could get their hands on the 75 million dollars worth of gold sitting in Western Banks, which has never been seen or heard of since. And don’t forget the 3.000 plus people who lost their lives on 911 tobegin the war against terrorism, lol. Which all cognicent people know now was an absolute lie! All of them, at the hands of the good ole USA..
Keep all this in your mind, when you look at all the people who are now displaced who will be suffering and dying as a result of the forthcoming economic collapse, which has been designed for the past 20 years and has NOTHING to do with any flu virus.. though that is going to be blamed, and all the somnambulant sheep will believe it and continue to chew the cud, and bang their pans.
CRETINS…. who actually deserve all that they get, because they have had their heads stuck up their arses, or attached to the end of the selfie sticks.. too full of their own importance to see what was actually happening.
Incidentally, what the hell has happened to ISIS? That suddenly disappeared once James le Mesurier was out of the picture???
I’m just glad that I don’t have many more years to do in this madhouse.

RobG
RobG
May 15, 2020 1:23 AM
Reply to  Magggie

Magggie, you’re preaching to the converted here.

Talking of which, I have two very good friends here in France, and they are both Jehovah’s Witnesses, a man and wife at retirement age. I am not the least bit religious, and my JW friends know that they will never convert me (which is the main aim of religious groups like the JW). We meet on a regular basis, rotating between their house and my house, so that they can improve their English language, and I can improve my French language.

I’m now 56 years old (a spring chicken) and have lived the kind of life that most people couldn’t imagine.

Throughout all that I have never, ever, lost my faith in humanity – and I’ve seen it all.

Try to keep the faith. Believe me, the good people in this world far outnumber the bad people.

Magggie
Magggie
May 15, 2020 4:14 PM
Reply to  RobG

I do know that Rob, that is why I continue to loiter here where the sane people hang out.. that is all but one or two. Failing that, I would think I was living in an asylum.
Cannot believe that people are complying with this garbage? It is as clear as daylight what Is happening. The information is all out there, but the sheep don’t appear to be able to access it?????
As I posted earlier, I wrote to my MP and received a reply from her gofer…. who said he wasn’t able to open the UKColumn page???? How difficult can it be to type that phrase into a search engine? But then again he’s probably using google.
That is just typical of what we are up against. Politicians who have incompetents working for them, who are incapable of accessing even the simplest information, so just make it up from what they’ve Seen on MSM , or have been encouraged to say by getting back handlers.
It would appear that the guy with the bald head and scared eyes received a big payout for his ‘company’ from Bill Gates at the beginning of this Pantomime. I’ll find the info Nd post it. My computer gave up on me and I’m having to use my tablet which has a mind of its own. So I have to go and collect the link, then repost it. I really am useless when it comes to new technology.

Billy Ray Bob
Billy Ray Bob
May 15, 2020 9:06 AM
Reply to  Magggie

Excellent!

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 15, 2020 9:17 AM
Reply to  Magggie

It wasn’t ‘1.5 million children starved’ in Iraq, but 1 million murdered by the US and UK thanks to disease, caused by the Great White Men DELIBERATELY bombing water treatment works, power stations, even dairy farms, all protected under Intermnational Humanitarian Law, but when did that ever apply to the Whote Gods Upon the Earth? Then the Gods stopped medications arriving and the Holocaust, but not one that we will have crammed down our throats EVERY day, commenced. No-one starved, because the Food for Oil program was run well and efficiently by the Iraqis themselves. Remember that-no offense but I am sickened to see ‘starved’ still used in relation to Iraq when it was deliberate murder caused by the deliberate destruction of health insuring infrastructure, and the blockade on medicines and equipment that did it.

Magggie
Magggie
May 15, 2020 4:52 PM

Absolutely true Richard, and maybe the figures aren’t quite right but the fact remains, that multiple millions have lost their lives because of the GREED of a minority of phsycopathic sociopaths. And those are the people the happy clappers are trusting to give us the truth and have our bests interests at the heart of what they do…. My arse!

JimmyH
JimmyH
May 15, 2020 2:45 AM
Reply to  RobG

Clealry their virus didn’t work as intended so they went to plan B. The old fashioned way.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 14, 2020 11:20 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

That’s 20% of those infected, not 20% of the world population.

You can’t keep chasing round in your circles forever. The original claim was that covid19 was uniquely dangerous and infectious. Now you are admitting it isn’t and are reduced to pointing out that even a tiny percentage of a very big number is a big number.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 15, 2020 12:05 AM
Reply to  Admin1

I’m just using the percentage in the story.
It doesn’t say how many will be infected does it?
Do you have an idea?
Will it be 10% , 20% , 40% ? Half or more?

That would make a difference to the total number obviously.
For instance 50% would mean my two numbers would be

700.000,000
&
35,000,000

Is that better?

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 15, 2020 1:36 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

You really need to stop posting the same few circular, self-contradictory and long-debunked arguments over and over again. You were wrong. Accept it. Move on.

crank
crank
May 15, 2020 6:39 AM
Reply to  Admin1

Dungroanin,
This, above from Admin 1.
Please !
Done groaning !

breweriana
breweriana
May 15, 2020 9:27 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

I wish you’d get infected, and just f**k off and die, already.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 15, 2020 11:47 AM
Reply to  breweriana

NURSE!!

Brewey has been glugging on the sanitizers again.

He is quoting what bozo and his doctor Strangelove’s have been saying to the infected old folks in hospitals when sending them off to the care homes!

Hurry up NURSE! He is eyeing up the mop bucket bleach.

Magggie
Magggie
May 15, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Uncalled for Breweriana. DunG as everyone else, has a right to his opinion. Disagree if you need to but quit the insults, please. We are grown ups here, this is OffGuardian not the Sun.

S. Owen
S. Owen
May 15, 2020 5:29 PM
Reply to  Magggie

Magggie so true, im so sick of the stupid playground insults all over the place, we’ll never get anywhere that way, stay safe people

BDBinc
BDBinc
May 15, 2020 3:38 AM
Reply to  Admin1

Its funny that people are analyzing totally meaningless data .
Infected with what?
There is not proof of any new deadly disease, the PCR tests for corona can’t differentiate between the alleged 7 coronas.
Good virologists will tell you that you have a quadrillion viruses in and on you( human virome ) and that your dna is allegedly 8% virus.

Reg
Reg
May 14, 2020 11:48 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

You’re not “crying” about anything. You’re an obsessive-compulsive maniac with delusions of power freakery.

Koba
Koba
May 15, 2020 5:18 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Dungroanin whining again?! Nowt new their you’re turning into the new antonym

Magggie
Magggie
May 15, 2020 4:59 PM
Reply to  Koba

Difference being that Antonym is a troll? DunG isn’t.

Baron
Baron
May 15, 2020 8:09 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

That’s what’s called life, Dungroanin, get used to it.

Each year, roughly 550,000 people die in the UK, that’s around one per cent of the population, you care about this 1%?

People and viruses have lived together from the start whether Him or nature created this parasitic/symbiotic partnership is neither here nor there, it exists, and even though we think we’re bloody clever, can read the genome, in fact, we’re not much less stupider than the generations before us who thought the same, either paid dearly or move science a small notch or two forward, discovered how to better accommodate the little beats, we should try to do the same, stop moaning.

Billy Ray Bob
Billy Ray Bob
May 15, 2020 9:15 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Okay something wrong here. Lets assume your 1% is correct. But you are assuming the entire world population is infected which is wrong. Secondly, seasonal flu has a death rate of I believe around 2%. Around 60 Million people die every year from natural causes including flu. Finally, 7.7 Billion is about 6.7 Billion more than what is sustainable. If I was you I would come to terms with death as a fact of life.

Magggie
Magggie
May 15, 2020 5:01 PM
Reply to  Billy Ray Bob

1.500 people die every day…. 1,500 people born every day… fact of life, nothing there to fear.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 15, 2020 6:10 PM
Reply to  Billy Ray Bob

BRB
As i wrote above – I did not mention DEATHS did I?

You are certain about there being 6.7 billion ‘too many’ people.
Who are they?
Who decides which ones are ‘surplus’?

You? Or are you going to set an example?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 18, 2020 3:44 AM
Reply to  Billy Ray Bob

Seasonal ‘flu death-rate isc.0.2%, but what’s an order of magnitude between friends?

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
May 18, 2020 1:17 PM

You are mixing IFR and CFR. Covid and Flu have a very similar CFR. The IFR of covid (ie. including people who fight off the infection who have zero or mild symptoms and are never treated medically) is not fully known because there haven’t been enough representative population studies published yet. You would have thought that’d be pretty high on the priority list, wouldn’t you, if this was a real threat right now? Such studies conducted in California, Iceland, Iran and Denmark (and the stats from Diamond Princess) have been widely attacked and/or ignored, however they indicate a flu-like IFR as well.

Thanks for continuing to spread unsourced fear and disinformation about this virus. You don’t quite go as far as signing off each message with ‘Stay Indoors’, but you’re doing sterling work lately seeding unsourced alarmism BTL /s

We need to counter the fear that’s being blasted at us from all angles with well-sourced, fact-based, logical, objective discussion. I take it this isn’t your goal? A2

Ken Kenn
Ken Kenn
May 14, 2020 10:21 PM

Bit of a contradiction to me.

Johnson is ” actively encouraging ” less well off people to go back to work but demanding that people stay in.

They can jog for hours- visit a garden centre and have their haircut “actively ” pile onto buses and eventually tube trains and trains once the stay in – get out orders are bedded in.

Doesn’t look like Stay In order to me.

Unless it’s only for the Higher Classes?

The question for all sides of the skeptics and believers is: What’s this all for?

For a Cull it’s a very slow way of depopulating the planet (330k dead in four months ) – surely starting a few wars would be much more effective?

For the believers in this then we have to believe that a proven congenital liar and a supportive media are telling the truth.

In my opinion this has never been about the virus itself.

If it just blighted Africa or South America you would not witness well off Upper Middle Class journalists

wringing their hands and for a change worrying about the poor masses.

This for me is a case of where IT is not what IT is.

What it has done is expose the absolute failure of a neo-Liberal Western capitalist doctrine that Markets know best and the State should stay out of everything and blew that forty year plus old theory away in a matter of weeks.

What is required is an alternative system that works for as many people as possible.

This is a chance – while the architects of the former system are reeling – indeed panicking ideas about another type of world is needed.

Just discussing numbers is not going to cut the mustard.

RobG
RobG
May 14, 2020 11:42 PM
Reply to  Ken Kenn

Ken, in the UK you’ll be looking at 30% to 40% unemployed.

In the USA they’ve already reached 40% out of work, with mile long queues at food banks.

In France unemployment is currently at about 25%. It’s similar in many other European countries.

The only question here is, how long are we, the people, going to put up with this shit.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 15, 2020 12:21 AM
Reply to  Ken Kenn

What it has done is expose the absolute failure of a neo-Liberal Western capitalist doctrine that Markets know best and the State should stay out of everything and blew that forty year plus old theory away in a matter of weeks.

This is the meme being repeated in the liberal left media. But why? How has this largely manufactured crisis ‘exposed’ these failures more than the last forty years of increasing wealth gap, endless war and environmental destruction?

We think this idea is being pushed as a way of selling the ‘new normal’ as a revolution aimed at making the world a fairer and kinder place, when in reality it’s simply a readjustment and firming up of the existing power structures with a smiley face painted on.

Henriette
Henriette
May 15, 2020 10:04 AM
Reply to  Admin1

Smiley as far as print/digital news outlets go. On the ground it will be public offices that one might think are directed by the government “we” elected when in fact the entire public sector will be just the handlers for corporations. We were joking this morning that instead of receiving “money” for unemployment insurance we will receive so&so many LIDL points Tesco Points Vodafon Points

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 15, 2020 3:40 PM
Reply to  Ken Kenn

Johnson is ” actively encouraging ” less well off people to go back to work but demanding that people stay in.

They can jog for hours- visit a garden centre and have their haircut “actively ” pile onto buses and eventually tube trains and trains once the stay in – get out orders are bedded in.

Doesn’t look like Stay In order to me.

Unless it’s only for the Higher Classes?

There has always been one law for the rich and one for the poor. You know how wartime rationing was supposed to have made society more equal? “We are [were] all in it together”?

I recently happened upon an old (UK) government report about nutrition, both during the war, and in the post-war period, when rationing was still going on. The report was published in 1951, and the report covered up to 1949. The title was intriguing:

“MINISTRY OF FOOD
THE URBAN
WORI(ING-CLASS HOUSEHOLD
DIET
1940 to 1949
FIRST REPORT OF
THE NATIONAL FOOD SURVEY
COMMITTEE ”

Working-class diet? I thought we were all supposed to be eating more or less the same in those days? Well, we know that wasn’t the case. George Orwell tells us that for one thing (that the rich could by-pass rationing to a large extent if they wanted to).

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 15, 2020 3:41 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

That should of course be “WORKING-CLASS” – it obviously didn’t OCR correctly.

Magggie
Magggie
May 15, 2020 5:45 PM
Reply to  Ken Kenn

“Johnson actively encouraging people to go back to work, whilst also encouraging them to stay in?”
In other words, scuttle off to your jobs to maintain the profits for your master, then scuttle back to your nests like good little mice.

Here is a good article:
Bill Gatesis actively encouraging billionaires to donate to a Covid fund by signing a pledge….
Alexander Cortez replied to this garbage, saying:
“If only there was some Public Fund that Billionaires could pay into along with everyone else, that helped fund our Infrastructure, Hospitals, and Public services.” (Lol… my emphasis)

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
May 14, 2020 10:10 PM

Sorry, that wasn’t the MSP I was referring to (fantastic tune, btw)

Here we go:

Grafter
Grafter
May 15, 2020 3:24 PM
Reply to  ginghiniagenie

Then along came the men in white coats…

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
May 14, 2020 10:08 PM

What do you folks make of this manic street preacher in Oxford?

crank
crank
May 14, 2020 10:20 PM
Reply to  ginghiniagenie

Each ingenious innovation and clever design solution to this ‘crisis’ is another stab in the back for civilisation and normal human conviviality.

crank
crank
May 14, 2020 9:06 PM

Does anyone want to discuss the rainbows ?
For the first time that I can ever recall in the UK, every newspaper front page has the same image and message : a rainbow and the words, ‘Stay Alert’. In a supposedly open society where the press are independent from the state, that raises obvious questions.
One question is ‘why is it specifically the symbol of the rainbow that has come to represent the support of the lockdown’ ? Has the rainbow become (previous to the covid crisis) a political symbol ? What does it mean to you in the context of events today and the politics surrounding them ?
Answers on a postcard to : Broken Crank, Big End Lane, Shaftedbury, FU6K3D

gordon
gordon
May 14, 2020 9:43 PM
Reply to  crank

my dogs got no name
he is with me everywhere i go
lula
click your heals girly and
say it

watch the movie eyes wide shut
or
youtube

symbolism eyes wide shut

his name is toto

toto

no place like home
no place like home

stay home

some where over

Philippe
Philippe
May 14, 2020 9:47 PM
Reply to  gordon

You are Dr Dre and I claim my £5 🙂

crank
crank
May 14, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  gordon

Noah place like home

crank
crank
May 14, 2020 10:37 PM
Reply to  gordon

Funny how Baum’s tale is said to be allegorical ($), and how the slang ‘friend of Dorothy’ links with the the lion’s pride. Curiouser and curiouser.

AMR
AMR
May 14, 2020 11:25 PM
Reply to  gordon

Yep.

AMR
AMR
May 14, 2020 11:24 PM
Reply to  crank

Well, what I’ve noticed… I mean, what a FRIEND of mine has noticed, who is a ‘conspiracy theorist’, naturally, is that what is happening here is the psychological abuse of the people by the government. I think it was in 2015 in the UK that ‘coercive control’ – for example, by a partner or a relative – became punishable by up to two years in prison.

Part of getting people to comply without pushback or question, stay trapped and isolated, collude with their own abuse, and believe what you tell them, is to break them… mentally, sometimes physically. Trauma helps enormously. Imminent threat to life is a form of trauma. Imminent threat to the life of loved ones is a form of trauma. Never letting fear-inculcation slip for a moment is a form of trauma.

The MK programme traumatises people as part of its technique. And it uses symbols, lots and lots of symbols. One of the symbols it uses for its ‘traumatise them, break them, make them a slave’ programme (monarch) is a rainbow.

I think it’s just a coincidence, of course, and perfectly innocent. It’s probably about the sun coming out after the rain, or that somewhere over the rainbow is a… new world, or something like that. But my friend, well, she feels sick to her stomach every time she sees one of the blasted things in a window.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 15, 2020 9:23 AM
Reply to  AMR

‘Liberal democracy’ is always about coercive control. Coercion by money power, mostly, but the armed men and SuperMax are are always there when required.

Mishko
Mishko
May 15, 2020 12:51 AM
Reply to  crank

Thank you for pointing that out, and sorry for my knee-jerk reaction:
“FFS, again with the rainbows!”

Nikoz Coleman
Nikoz Coleman
May 15, 2020 2:36 AM
Reply to  crank

The rainbow features prominently in stanley Kubrick’s eyes wide shut which indicates it has some other meaning within secret societies, I’m not sure quite what, although in modern times it became associated with the LGBTQ movement, but since ancient times had religious symbolism from the book of genesis it represented God’s promise not to flood the world again.i would say rainbows symbolizes hope in some way, and the attempt is to identify the social distancing measures as the hope

Andrew johnson
Andrew johnson
May 15, 2020 8:26 AM
Reply to  Nikoz Coleman

Rainbows and references to the wizard of oz were also used as a trigger in the Victims of MK ultra mind control.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 15, 2020 9:24 AM
Reply to  Nikoz Coleman

‘God sent Noah the rainbow sign, No more water, The Fire next time’. That is, now.

Zen Priest
Zen Priest
May 15, 2020 8:56 AM
Reply to  crank

The rainbow has become a symbol of homosexuality. They attach this to anything they want to control you with – rejecting the rainbow is akin to rejecting homosexuals. This is also a mockery of God from the usual suspects.

Zen Priest
Zen Priest
May 15, 2020 8:57 AM
Reply to  Zen Priest

(I forgot to include)

And thus guilty of hate crime.

Grafter
Grafter
May 15, 2020 3:27 PM
Reply to  crank

MSM and shite go well together. Twas ever thus.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 15, 2020 3:44 PM
Reply to  crank

It clearly hasn’t worked for me, because for ages I didn’t know what it meant. I kept seeing these pictures of rainbows in people’s windows and just thought it was something their kids had done (many were hand-painted).

When I finally twigged, I was saddened but not surprised. In this world of seal-clapping pod-people, nothing surprises me any more.

RobG
RobG
May 14, 2020 7:54 PM

Not sure what this has to do with anything; except that the ‘lockdown’ has completely decimated independent artists. All you get nowadays is utter corporate crap.

A reminder of what we’ve lost…

sunset
sunset
May 14, 2020 7:19 PM

Can I suggest that endlessly chewing of the details of the false-flag is a totally counter-productive activity. This isn’t a comment aimed at the excellent (and pretty much unique) work of the UK Column, but at the ‘camp followers’ who now consider this their main ‘hobby’- as the comment section on this site endlessly proves.

As with the false-flag of 9/11, what really matters now is what comes next- what happens to greater Humanity in the name of the false-flag.

Take Reddit. Now the front page is constantly led by threads cheering the horrific beating and arrest of women by steroid enhanced heavily armoured ex-vet males dressed in black, for crimes against SARS2 ‘laws’. The latest has American NYPD ‘cops’ repeated smashing a mother in the head for wearing her face ‘mask’ wrongly.

Years ago I attended a special showing of the brilliant film ‘Brazil’. This masterpiece was created as an unauthorised updating of Orwell’s 1984 for the actual year of 1984 (a film version of the novel was also released in the same year). Brazil begins where we are now, with militarised state thugs raiding the home of some poor innocent ordinary bloke. The ‘hero’ of the film is actually a monster who willing plays his part of a cog in the machine, and is only ‘upset’ because this time the machine made a ‘mistake’. Brazil was far too ‘black’ a movie for most to understand or appreciate.

All that matters is what is possible today that was not possible yesterday. Useful idiots claimed the fallout from 9/11 was ‘bad’ because it impacted ethnic groups of people deemed as ‘sub-Human’ by the mainstream media, which allowed most people in the West to relax, since they were clearly part of the ‘master race’ and hence ‘untouchable’.

Those of us with a functioning brain knew that the people of the West were the real target, and once unthinkable ideas were normalised, they’d then be applied in the West.

And the West matters not because “the West is best” in any racist sense, but because the West rose the level of decent Human Civilisation for all since the Age of Reason began. The West is a beacon and once that flame goes dark, all hell will break loose.

But the most powerful voices and leaders in the West are now monsters- their doctine being that the Human population must, using any means possible, be reduced by many billions. Modern times require modern methods. The cattle cars approach but, of course, this time they won’t look like cattle cars.

But there is no hope. Forums like this one prove it. Even those that hate the deep state unknowingly do its bidding. For every one person here that looks beyond the false flag, there are 100 proud to endless chew the latest details of the false-flag. And that is why Universal ‘education’ was such an important fabian project. To make the masses think themselves ‘smart’ just because they went to school. Critical thinking was never taught.

crank
crank
May 14, 2020 7:35 PM
Reply to  sunset

Been having similar thoughts.
When further clarification of the situation is not necessary, when it is clear that the monsters are going full throttle for the finish line, then at some point, blathering on a comment page becomes little more than a kind of displacement activity.

AMR
AMR
May 15, 2020 12:15 AM
Reply to  crank

Respectfully disagree about the displacement activity, for me, anyway. I can’t be the only one who has lost friends and even family for my views on what is happening (even though I give them only the mildest version, mostly sending them the UK government’s webpage stating that C-19 is not a high consequence infectious disease and has ‘low mortality’, or pointing them to official statistics so they can look for themselves, or saying ‘well, I’m pleased, the study from Stanford shows it’s about the same mortality as seasonal flu!’ Too much for them to take in.

I’m to be humoured at best, avoided at worst. ‘Intelligent’, ‘educated’ people whom I’ve talked and laughed and shared with for years, who think I’m having a mental breakdown because I refuse to acknowledge that this is the greatest threat to our civilisation ever (and they don’t mean the British government or Gates…)

Reading comments, making a few comments myself, is a way (for me) of understanding that there are others out there who also question, who also see that what’s going on is very, very wrong, and, indeed, monstrous. In my darkest moments (most of the moments are dark), I know that the future I was looking forward to is just an innocent dream I once had, because I won’t acquiesce. But what helps me is knowing that there are others out there. It’s lonely, when friends and family have been body-snatched. I’m lucky to have a partner who, through circumstance of birth, has managed to almost totally avoid formal education, and is a critical thinker who strives always to look for evidence and make his own assessment.

But other than my partner, I’m only connecting with ‘questioners’ through reading and writing comments. Some may think that’s sad. I think it’s quite powerful. I feel fortunate – those experiencing the onset of totalitarianism in other times and other places have not always had an opportunity to connect in relative freedom, as we do here. (I say ‘relative’, because although there’s censorship, monitoring, manipulation and entrapment, we’re not yet in a physical cage.)

It’s not the only thing I do. I’m not sitting back, just watching it happen. I take all the actions I can, and every day question myself as to what my right actions might be in the future, and how I might prepare. But it helps keeps me sane, it helps keeps me alive, and it helps me not drown in an ocean of Thursday night clapping. Many thanks!

Jnostique
Jnostique
May 15, 2020 5:56 AM
Reply to  AMR

Me too…
Platforms like this are all heart and hope in my despair…
I’m in natural resource rich country town Australia surrounded by generations of comfortable ignorance in the extreme… good capable people, family and friends fully possessed ( body snatched indeed )… they sit back in blind ( often of the alcohol induced kind ) privileged entertained arrogance to the reality of the tyranny bulging from the tube… the same tyranny that forged their fickle culture from the historical reaping of the ‘weak’…

…soon to be, if not already, beating down the door…

The apathy and willful dissonance in the face of the most simplified detail is absolutely disgusting though I’m not at all surprised, the spoils, the hypnotism, the buried guilt and the trauma all run deep here…
I’m resolute that this experience is sorting the warriors from the heroes… the true colours of those active in owning their experience, facing the discomfort for growth and exercising their condition… it just takes a bit of self worth folks, put the ego aside, accept you have been duped and get on with it… its love over fear…

Common sense is today’s genius…

I was already lonely, right now I’m a planet unto myself… and now a lovely fresh ‘see’ breeze vented one…:)

Thanks OFF-G, all involved, all readers, all writers… have a great day…

Deborah T, Reading
Deborah T, Reading
May 15, 2020 6:18 AM
Reply to  AMR

AMR – I could have written this, although not as eloquently. The majority of our friends have believed everything that the Govt and British Brainwashing Corporation have fed them. One put up a post on Facebook yesterday. Usual stuff – a meme saying something like ‘I’ll be happy to stay in quarantine forever if it saves the lives of…’. She wrote at the top that she was ‘amazed at the stupidity of people’ for wanting to ‘go out’, saying that she would be ‘staying in’. I toyed with commenting, didn’t…. but I’m not sure that I can ever talk to these people again as there’s a gulf the size of the Grand Canyon between us…it’s like we need a whole new set of friends now, but not sure where to find them!

Magggie
Magggie
May 15, 2020 6:16 PM

We are here Deborah. Thankfully all conjoined by our collective conciousness.X

Judith McIntyre
Judith McIntyre
May 16, 2020 7:09 PM
Reply to  AMR

I feel the same way, AMR. For the past few years my family will kid about my being the “conspiracy theorist” and I’ve just let it go. But this present agenda crisis is different. I can’t say I have actually lost family and friends for good because of my thoughts and non actions (no mask, no distancing), but I have certainly lost contact with them for the time being. They think my behavior selfish. Cavalier. Crazy. So there really is not much to talk about. And there is no point my even trying to explain about the several scientists who prove…. It would fall on deaf ears.

If testing and vaccination become mandatory that will add a much deeper line in the sand. I will not be vaccinated. Thus, I will likely not be able to work in my field, and depending on how friends and family feel – may not be invited to family functions, celebrations, etc. Not to mention whatever crazy prohibitions get cooked up by the government.

It is a scary time. I have only ONE person in my life that I can talk to about this – she feels the same as I do.

So although I agree that not just focusing on the false flag itself, but instead figuring how I can live my life each day and push back as best I can, it still is enormously helpful to know that I am not alone and there are others who feel the same.

Along those lines, I was amazed at commenter maggie’s post above about the millions who have died in Viet Nam,etc. I just read that post today but I havebeen repeating those same comments verbatim in my head for the past 5 days when I think of how I will reply to people who think I am selfish because “People are dying!!” That is a perfect example of connecting with someone when you think you are the only one having certain thoughts.

Thank you.

Magggie
Magggie
May 15, 2020 12:48 AM
Reply to  crank

But very therapeutic Crank…. How else will we let off steam?

ZigZagWanderer
ZigZagWanderer
May 14, 2020 9:05 PM
Reply to  sunset

Mmmmmm … over 99% of OffG readers not capable of critical thinking ?

You could test that theory by submitting an article yourself.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 14, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  sunset

I always thought about Mae Brussell’s comment about her work being to identify what the forces behind JFK’s assassination would do next… and she pursued that admirably, while others were obsessed with counting the number of shell cases on the Grassy Knoll.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 15, 2020 9:28 AM
Reply to  sunset

The West was slavery, the extermination of tens of millions in the New Worlds, tens of millions murdered in Great Famines in India under English rule, the looting of the world, fifty trillion alone from India, drug-running in China, World Wars I, II and II coming, Auschwitz, the Thirty Years War, neo-liberal capitalism, Imperialism, the Monroe Doctrine etc, etc. If that is your idea of ‘..decent Human Civilization’ then I’m shocked.

kidocelot
kidocelot
May 14, 2020 6:50 PM

My favourite truth warriors all acknowledging each other….Off-G, Corbett, Hitchens, UK Column, Dollar Vigilante……the resistance needs leaders…. Hurrah for our side!

Deborah T, Reading
Deborah T, Reading
May 15, 2020 6:20 AM
Reply to  kidocelot

Yes, I suspect Off-G and Hitchens may have some ‘differences’ in other areas but common to both is their bravery and integrity.

Tony
Tony
May 14, 2020 6:44 PM

The War On Truth is continuing apace:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52662348

Cascadian
Cascadian
May 14, 2020 6:28 PM

At the 53:18 point in UK Column’s last update on things:
https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/05/13/ukc-news-government-now-scrambling-to-justify-disastrous-lockdown-policy/

I need a pair of those shades!

Kitty
Kitty
May 14, 2020 6:04 PM

Is it just coincidence that Covid 19 is travelling along the New Silk Road, known as the Belt and Road Initiative, stretching from China to Italy. In the 1300s the old Silk Road followed the same route until the Black Death wiped out nearly half the world’s population along the way. The 14th-century plague which was so say caused by rats is said to have originated in China’s Hubei Province. Covid 19 started in Wuhan (by bat’s, not rats) which incidentally just so happens to be Hubei’s capital. There is a striking similarity between the path of today’s viral spread and the path that emerged in the 1300s. Its a well know fact that trade routes massively expand imperial influence so is this just coincidence or is China just unlucky?

Tony
Tony
May 14, 2020 6:52 PM
Reply to  Kitty

14th Century trade isn’t my forte, but who was China’s rival back then?

Tinero
Tinero
May 15, 2020 12:05 AM
Reply to  Tony

Italy

Magggie
Magggie
May 15, 2020 12:57 AM
Reply to  Kitty

You almost hit the nail on the head Kitty.
China are the bad guys, and have replaced ISIS?
The US promised to rebuild Iraq after the raised it… But the price could not be agreed. The US wanted to lend Iraq money but the interest was too high, so they suggested 50 percent of their oil revenues. Iraq refused and approached China, who agreed a price well below the US and work was begun. America meanwhile has been apoplectic, and has been fishing around for reasons to attack China and knock it. Off the top perch. The corona virus which appeared at the same time as the military games, attended by the USA, saved the day.. and focussed all the hate and suspicion back against China.
But the US just wouldn’t play dirty like that??? Would they??? Lol.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
May 14, 2020 5:56 PM

Guardian interesting report today:

Of the 22,332 patients who died since 31 March, when pre-existing conditions began to be reported, 5,873 (26%) had diabetes, while 4,048 (18%) had dementia. Some 3,254 (15%) were reported to have chronic pulmonary disease, (chronic Bronchitis and Emphysema) while 1,549 patients had asthma.

I make that out to be 68%. Now add-in deaths frompoverty, old age, drug and alcohol abuse, chaotic life-style and you get very near to higher figures still. But isn’t this all common knowledge? No, the MSM are attempting to convince everyone that it is a plague that can affect everyone – strong>equally!/strong>This of course is patently untrue and there is always a front-page story of a toddler or 26-year old who has died of this undiscriminating sickness.

Objective
Objective
May 14, 2020 7:00 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

I’m not a medical professional, but i see they are ramping up fear porn on the children’s “Kawasaki like” syndrome due to corona, i don’t know if any doctors are reading & can put me straight, but how come it remarkably resembles Scarlett fever? Am i correct in thinking scarlet fever is brought on by neglect of diagnosis/treatment of staph throat infection? Could that neglect be due to lockup?

And anyone notice how all the media are calling it by a generic term “corona virus” NOW!

AMR
AMR
May 15, 2020 12:29 AM
Reply to  Objective

I don’t know if you’ll find the information you’re looking for here, but at the least it’s a very important statement from the UK Kawasaki Foundation regarding media scares and Kawasaki links with C-19: https://www.societi.org.uk/kawasaki-disease-and-covid-19/

Magggie
Magggie
May 15, 2020 1:01 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

1,500 people die EVERY day normally… and 1,500 babies are born every day approximately.
These are the facts I’d life and nothing to fear.
We are born, and we die… but now our death isn’t being weaponised… for the next BIG event.

Magggie
Magggie
May 15, 2020 1:02 AM
Reply to  Magggie

Should have read IS not isn’t being weaponised. This tablet has a mind of its own, and I am getting too tired to check properly… sorry 😐

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 15, 2020 4:04 PM
Reply to  Magggie

Are you referring to the UK Magggie? I agree with you in principle, but I wonder if the numbers are really quite so well balanced like that?

I say that because I’ve posted here before links to articles that say that the numbers of live births per mother in most European countries is below 2.0, in some cases, well below, and well below population replacement level. I think the UK was somewhere in the middle.

Sorry I don’t have the links to hand, but I think this is a fairly well-established phenomenon.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 15, 2020 3:51 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Not to mention the iatrogenic (doctor-caused) deaths (by inappropriate treatment – Willem has detailed one such (major) example)

Joerg
Joerg
May 14, 2020 5:51 PM

See “Forensic Doctor Destroys Media Lies_ ‘Nobody Died of Covid in Hamburg without Previous illnesses’ ”

https://youtu.be/fSPeuyOawMQ

gordon
gordon
May 14, 2020 5:49 PM

here in holland home of anne franks
we always where at the tip of the appeasement spear

even this new world order we have a relaxed zio nazi style

introducing perter van derpumps new restauraaant
for romanticks dinners for 2 zombies

goy dining in glass booths

soylent green is tasty

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
May 14, 2020 7:27 PM
Reply to  gordon

Words fail me ……….

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
May 14, 2020 10:21 PM
Reply to  gordon

Sad As Fuck.

Judith McIntyre
Judith McIntyre
May 16, 2020 7:16 PM
Reply to  ginghiniagenie

Get me some Windex.

Mishko
Mishko
May 15, 2020 1:04 AM
Reply to  gordon

Dutch PM Mark Rutte has accepted the Global Citizen Award granted to him
by The Atlantic Council in 2019.
https://atlanticcouncil.org/events/flagship-event/global-citizen-awards/mark-rutte/
https://atlanticcouncil.org/commentary/transcript/dutch-prime-minister-mark-rutte-stronger-together-than-apart/

And attended the latest Bilderberg Meeting in the company of Willem-Alexander of Orange
from the dutch House Of Orange.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 18, 2020 3:49 AM
Reply to  Mishko

And Reinhard Heydrich accepted the ‘Humanitarian of the Year Award’ bestowed by the editors of Die Sturmer.

George Mc
George Mc
May 14, 2020 5:48 PM

Just discovered this chortle-fest:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/

Overall, we rate OffGuardian a Strong Conspiracy and Moderate Pseudoscience website that also promotes Russian propaganda.

Before realising it was a recycling of.stopfake.org:

Russian trolls exiled from Guardian find home for their hate

So what do mediabiasfactcheck think of stopfake?:

Factual Reporting: HIGH
Notes: http://www.stopfake.org is a credible news source…

A credible news source that gives us scientifically irreproachable investigations into where people can find a home for “hate”?

Tony
Tony
May 14, 2020 6:04 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Don’t worry too much about mediabiasfactcheck, or it’s owner ComedyDave, unduly.

https://www.palmerreport.com/politics/palmer-report-exclusive-media-bias-fact-check/2115/

George Mc
George Mc
May 14, 2020 9:56 PM
Reply to  Tony

Oh don’t worry. I have only one piece of guidance re: web sites. Never trust any web site that offers itself as a guide. No, I’m afraid there’s no substitute for checking them out yourself.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 15, 2020 4:09 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Curses! They must have spotted the snow on our boots!

Time to regroup comrades!

Reg
Reg
May 14, 2020 5:43 PM

This is great. CNN’s trying to make Greta the poster child for the covid scam too. Par for the course in a substandard, dumbed-down world. Naturally no qualified expert who goes against the narrative ever gets a voice on these putrid propaganda platforms.

https://www.anti-empire.com/beyond-parody-cnn-taps-greta-thunberg-for-expert-coronavirus-panel/

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 15, 2020 4:12 PM
Reply to  Reg

It was always going to happen. I’m surprised it has taken so long. She had already of course isolated herself, in a flat conveniently lent to her by friends. That was some time ago, so she is presumably “covid-19”-free now.

sunset
sunset
May 14, 2020 5:42 PM

mods- can you please stop allowing Brigade77 posters from ruining the comment section using ‘dominance’ tactics. This method, where a co-ordinated group of people spam a thread with >50% of the responses, usually with one named poster leading the charge with the payload propaganda message (in this case, that SARS2 is a right-wing USA conspiracy led by Trump, and that people revealing the truth- like UKColumn, are neo-nazis), is a universal deep-state method to take down all non-controlled outlets.

I have witnessed forum after forum destroyed this way. And the fault always lay with the forum policy that foolishly allowed deep state actors to destroy free speech by exploiting a very naive idea held by mods- namely that sane censorship should never be used.

If you will not ban the deep state Brigade77 posters who have very obviously revealed themselves by targeting UKColumn as a matter of priority, please consider this comment policy change.

1) Ban all posters caught using sock-puppets
2) Only allow posters *four* replies per comment section
3) Only allow posters one ‘long’ reply per comment section.

Remember, the people who need to be controlled or banned here already have free access to 99.999% of all forms of outlet- the mainstream media and the Soros-controlled fake indy media (and all the supposed non-Soros new media outlets that have revealed themselves to be other deep state projects with the SARS2 propaganda). So even if you mods foolishly think the trolls deserve a voice, they already have one everywhere else.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 14, 2020 5:49 PM
Reply to  sunset

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Those who express an unpopular view will soon know about it.

I personally like UK Column, they do some very good work, but I don’t agree with everything they say.

Objective
Objective
May 14, 2020 6:07 PM
Reply to  sunset

The concept of free speech seems to have escaped you whilst I see the concept of authoritarianism clearly hasn’t. Oh the irony as usual the so called defenders of free speech want to regulate it, using their personal inalienable right to stick their boot in others faces.

The raison d’être I hope & assumed of off-g is to allow uncensored freedom of expression. Frankly what would be the point of the site other than just another propaganda machine if it started behaving like its nemesis ? If you act like them you become them. Let the people defend the site from its foe of truth with swift robust rebuttal of facts.

You are of course free not read comments you disapprove of.

sunset
sunset
May 14, 2020 6:38 PM
Reply to  Objective

Notice how quickly I rattle their cages. Free speech dies with deep state co-ordinated action against it, and useful idiots supporting those deep state tactics. The useful idiots like the fact that deep state trolling reduces any forum- before it dies- to a handful of mouthy regulars who all feel ‘special’ cos it is their little club.

The true metric of free speech is just how many different people feel free to express themselves in any given forum. Where deep state trolling is allowed, you will only see comment by the same tiny group of ‘regulars’- and the forum will be considered a very uninviting place by the vast majority.

Any forum can be trivially destroyed by unregulated trolling. Brigade77 operates on this principle. So what person would describe unregulated trolling as ‘free speech’- especially when said trolls clearly have thousands of other outlets where their opinion is the only opinion allowed?

Who would say “let free speech be destroyed in the ‘name’ of free speech’? Goebbels certainly boasted of using this tactic in the early days of the rise of the nazis, when his team actively subverted every forum in Germany.

1) four posts per comment section
2) only one ‘long’ post per comment section

Now exactly how do these restrictions destroy ‘free speech’? But they certainly limit the mouthy regulars who think of this place as their ‘exclusive’ club’.

Objective
Objective
May 14, 2020 7:13 PM
Reply to  sunset

First let me apologize i responded to your comment before seeing BTL mad jack go on a crazy 3rd reich trolling spree.

Yes he was wrong & admin were very restrained.

But i disagree with your rules based authoritarianism .

mname
mname
May 14, 2020 9:25 PM
Reply to  Objective

”3rd reich trolling spree.”

Nothing wrong in calling out fascists, or is there ?

mname
mname
May 14, 2020 9:47 PM
Reply to  Objective

”mad jack” go on a crazy 3rd reich trolling spree.”

that kind of abuse is encouraged you A-hol.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 14, 2020 7:11 PM
Reply to  Objective

I was feeling sorry for the duty moderator this morning – there is the pub landlord aspect of keeping a balance between raucous fun and bottle throwing! It’s only theoretical on a good day but it’s good to have some idea what you’d do if things got out of hand.

Objective
Objective
May 14, 2020 7:45 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I was responding to sunset comment before i scrolled down & saw mad jacks troll frenzy, he had a chip about previous posts being blocked/deleted, as i never saw them i can’t comment on its validity.

But i stand by what i said, perhaps it would have been better if someone respectfully asked him to have taken time out to cool off.

Whatever. I’ve seen enough of his posts to just ignore him. Maybe a ignore/hide button for commentators?

mname
mname
May 14, 2020 9:23 PM
Reply to  Objective

Sluring him for the admin of the site are you? patsy.

kevin
kevin
May 14, 2020 7:02 PM
Reply to  sunset

Sometimes deep state trolls can be helpful. They can confirm that other commenters are on the right track with their ad hominem attacks and feeble attempts to counter the arguments put forth.

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
May 14, 2020 10:28 PM
Reply to  kevin

True Say. It’s fun!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 14, 2020 7:04 PM
Reply to  sunset

Limiting comments/responses to four per thread is an excellent suggestion. It’s also good discipline. It encourages people not to waste words and to stick to points where they have knowledge or experience rather than simply opinion burning to get out. (Yes, I’m guilty). It also keeps people on topic while allowing ample opportunity to raise a couple of tangential points.
Trolls behaviour is predictable and easily spotted if one reads the JTRIG manual. How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations. https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

Objective
Objective
May 14, 2020 7:54 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Disagree. No one is compelled to read anything, its not compulsory, i down vote rules based order, that’s a neo-liberal concept.

I also dislike the “troll” labeling, it can often be a means of covert censorship, dismissive of others posts as trolling because you (generic you) simply disagree isn’t reasonable behaviour.

Let people police themselves, yes there maybe a time for admin (please find another way to identify yourselves) to step in, but don’t let FEAR of what might happen, control everyone elses freedoms!

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 15, 2020 4:27 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Limiting comments/responses to four per thread is an excellent suggestion.

I disagree with you (see my reply above).

So, are you going to voluntary restrict yourself to four responses then, if you think it’s such a good idea? (I suppose this is a trick question, but it wasn’t meant to be).

Philippe
Philippe
May 14, 2020 9:37 PM
Reply to  sunset

First, allow me to state that I am not a member of 77. But then I would say that, wouldn’t I? Or would I?

Therein lies the rub.

I have no doubt, given Off-G’s profile, that this site is being targeted by the ‘authorities’. The problem is that these people will be a lot more subtle than you may expect. As Captain Blackadder once famously said: “Not even the Germans would be stupid enough to field a spy with a strong German accent.”

Believe it or not, there are people who see everything in the world through the lens of a single burning issue and will comment accordingly. Examples would be Brexit, or kremlin propaganda, or the US Empire. It might make them ‘trolls’; it certainly makes them irritating; but does it make them pawns of the state? I doubt it. That’s not how psyops works.

So, given that it is very difficult to identify these individuals, who are more likely briefed to gently persuade rather than blitzkrieg (this isn’t twitter, after all), any restriction of free speech will have a detrimental effect on everybody, thereby effectively doing their job for them.

Which makes me think, who would be more likely to call for a restriction of free speech – a genuine commentor or … ?

You see how this works? You may be genuine, you may not be. Who knows? But that holds true for everybody else as well. Best to just let everybody say what they want to say and everybody else will make up their own minds. My mouse has a wheel, which means I can scroll quite quickly past irrelevant shite. The down arrow key is another option. Either way, the choice should be left to the individual.

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
May 14, 2020 10:30 PM
Reply to  Philippe

Put the crack pipe down.

Philippe
Philippe
May 15, 2020 8:48 AM
Reply to  ginghiniagenie

It’s (cheap) Scotch.

Can’t afford crack. Or a pipe.

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
May 16, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  Philippe

Sorry mate, cheap shot, I would blame the drugs but, my bad.

Philippe
Philippe
May 16, 2020 1:32 PM
Reply to  ginghiniagenie

🙂 I shall raise a glass to you later!

mnameK
mnameK
May 14, 2020 9:40 PM
Reply to  sunset

The neo-Nazis are the UK column, your problem is that I pointed it out. Censorship is what you got, they deleted posts to protect your neo nazi news site. you awful liar.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 15, 2020 4:24 PM
Reply to  sunset

As it happens, I too feel the posters who “dominate” BTL posts a bit of a pain, especially when they go on for strings of postings, one after another. I wouldn’t censor them though.

However, you suggestion of 4 replies per comment section really isn’t workable. I see you have used up two of your four already, and I suspect you’ve hardly got going yet.

You see, the comments section is really a conversation, and it can often develop in interesting ways, and is often a source of interesting new material. If you tried to put an arbitrary limit on people, it would kill the conversation,

gordon
gordon
May 14, 2020 5:34 PM

bio terror centre
bio
terror
central
vauxhall
blackmailed
westminster

we won against alquada osama bin bin lardin tim osman
we won against al bagdaddy baggage shimon simon elliot
we beat dem in syria,libya and afghanistan man

now a new crown a new reign of terror
like the old terror the new is also invisable

that is why the bio terror centre has special powers
powerful abilities search and destroy
search out the evil sayers and doers
those out of compliance

remember my name
mark sedwell
my boyz are running the shoah

Ted
Ted
May 14, 2020 4:32 PM

Oh, in the US, at least one state has discovered there are other branches of government who have power. The courts awaken? https://apnews.com/69eeec35356f6c25cf63b855886237c3

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
May 14, 2020 5:02 PM
Reply to  Ted

That’s excellent news!

Thom
Thom
May 14, 2020 4:16 PM

I flicked through my local newspaper in the supermarket today and was astonished to see a double-page government-sponsored ad telling people how newspapers are countering fake news on the coronavirus and how to spot it online. Take about desperate.

Philippe
Philippe
May 14, 2020 4:39 PM
Reply to  Thom

I’m guessing the advice didn’t include:

“Put this newspaper back in the rack and walk away. then go home and unplug your television.”

Berlin Beerman
Berlin Beerman
May 14, 2020 3:52 PM

Well here is your new enemy of terror for the decade. You have evolved from the terror threat of Islamic Extremists to terror from Viral Infections.

Now like good boys and girls – here is your new 5 stage chart to go along with all of this – we try to make it easy to understand seeing as how your all delusional to begin with.

Now go and wear your masks and clap clap clap.

Frank Herbert said it back in 1965
“Government is a shared illusion. When the myth dies the government disappears”

He was absolutely correct. Its time we tested his theory. If that’s too much thinking for the UK class then at least watch his movie ( Sting is in it !) or better yet read his books. Seems you’ve got some time to kill anyway.

Enough said – Ich habe Durst !

Lill(jim)
Lill(jim)
May 14, 2020 3:12 PM

ME:
You started to moderate my comments, so I changed my email, Why are you trying to moderate my comments, when I am not saying anything in violation of your policies? Can you explain that?

ADMIN1:
I explained to you already that we discourage the use of multiple email addresses for one account, and asked you politely to stick to just one.
Your response is inappropriate and trolling.
Please show a minimum respect for this site and the people who want to read informed opinions not schoolboy nonsense.
Sophie Green (admin1)

ME: ‘’Your response is inappropriate and trolling.’’
I made reasonable comments where was the trolling ?
and I was abused often, why did you not remove the abuse?

You mean you don’t like my opinions, then say so, you are just like the Guardian, you do not tolerate real debate.

We asked this entity to stop posting under numerous email addresses. Their response was to post under even more email addresses, to repeat post the same comment, to post endless complaints and accusations, and then to complain of censorship if any of these were removed (see for example this identical comment posted here under a different variant of the name). They have in our opinion self-identified as a troll. They remain free to post here, and hopefully they will stop this disruptive behaviour and start posting real content again. Until they do, we advise not engaging with them – ed

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 14, 2020 3:26 PM
Reply to  Lill(jim)

If the percentage of your comments being removed to the amount that’s still here then you must be flat out churning out the same single minded view
What if everyone else here just commented exactly how you perceive things?
How fucking boring this place would be.
Quit your bitching and be glad people still acknowledge your place here.

Sally
Sally
May 14, 2020 3:31 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Yes I’m in support of censorship too, we need more if it. Slap him into line so he doesn’t ruffle any feathers. we need more of that.

wardropper
wardropper
May 14, 2020 4:18 PM
Reply to  Sally

On the other hand, this isn’t about any individual commenter. The important issue is always the relevant article, and, even though I try, myself, to be reasonable, I do sometimes wander off-topic. If someone was, for example, constantly going off-topic, they should expect some backlash. Once, in my early days here, I received a warning myself, but I had to admit, on reflection, that I had crossed a line – either getting too close to personal abuse, adopting an inappropriate tone, or waffling way off-topic at great length. I can’t remember now.
In this case, surely Admin’s response says all that needs to be said? :

I explained to you already that we discourage the use of multiple email addresses for one account, and asked you politely to stick to just one.

Is it really so difficult to comply with a polite request to stop doing something which the site administrators discourage? “Ruffling feathers” isn’t the same thing as responding to a reasonable request with, essentially, “No, I intend to do as I please, thank you.”
My own view is that no site should put up with people who think it’s okay to dismiss some basic rules and who make a fuss when asked to exercise common courtesy. The tedious attention such people often receive is supposed to be focused instead on the article in question. Now, back to Boris?
My question is, why is the common feature of all our current western leaders that they have severely limited comprehension skills beyond matters which concern only their immediate personal well-being?

Objective
Objective
May 14, 2020 6:23 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Whats the reason for the email rule? Is it a control mechanism to prevent a comment section loophole? That’s just another form of control & censorship.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 14, 2020 6:28 PM
Reply to  Objective

If you really find our few rules unacceptable by all means go and try your luck posting similar sniping on any comparable site. You will be banned within hours. And then you can come back here, where you will never be banned, no matter how gracelessly rude you are.

Objective
Objective
May 14, 2020 7:23 PM
Reply to  Admin1

I asked you a fair & reasonable question. You didn’t answer.

You replied in a snotty & defensive manner.

We aren’t talking about other sites. That’s a strawman.

I was not rude to you or anyone else, i spoke my mind, free speech sometimes hits a nerve.

It is you who owes the apology for being rude. You either believe what your catch phrase & philosophy say or you’re a fraud, which is it?

Do you entrust in sacred facts & believe in free speech? Or not.

Objective
Objective
May 14, 2020 8:05 PM
Reply to  wardropper

My own view is that no site should put up with people who think it’s okay to

dismiss some basic rules and who make a fuss when asked to exercise common courtesy.

Is that an acceptable excuse for censorship? Isn’t that the excuse all MSM hide their censorship behind? Who decides whats “reasonable” when you brake it down free speech means saying ANYTHING you wish to, its a black & white question there’s no gray zone.

And if this isn’t a forum to discuss the rights or wrongs of free speech, without fear of being accused of going off topic, then i’m in the wrong place & would welcome being banned.

You either have rules based neo-liberalism or liberty not both.

wardropper
wardropper
May 14, 2020 9:07 PM
Reply to  Objective

dismiss some basic rules and who make a fuss when asked to exercise common courtesy. Is that an acceptable excuse for censorship?

It’s an acceptable excuse for asking people to behave themselves normally.
For heaven’s sake, I don’t ever censor people myself, and we’re not talking here about something as crucial as the American Constitution (which has now become the President’s toilet paper in any case).
This is an alternative site for people who generally have a lot of experience and information to share, so when some start acting as if they were actually proud of being a pain in the neck – as one or two do, you have to wonder what their motivation is.
If I’m playing an online video game and someone starts trolling me, I put them on an ignore list, rather than try to get them banned. Here at OffG, the nearest equivalent of that is to warn people politely that they are doing something (on somebody else’s site, after all) which the administrators of the site would rather they didn’t do. That isn’t an excuse for screaming, “Censorship! Censorship!”, any more than Corbyn’s unguarded statements about supporting Palestinians is an excuse for screaming, “Anti-semitism! Anti-semitism!”

You either have rules based neo-liberalism or liberty not both

is a falsely limited choice. It seems obvious to me that you have at least a third choice of rules based on common courtesy and common sense, without the slightest need to ratchet the discussion up to the sort of level which might be appropriate to discipline on a battleship.
Taking that sort of attitude is a very short step away from a scenario where a commenter says, for example, “If the admin here thinks this article is suitable material for reading or for discussion, they must all be idiots”, To which admin says, “Please stop the personal abuse”, and the first person yells, “Censorship! And, no, I won’t stop just because you tell me to.”
As I said earlier, you have to wonder what such people want here. I’m not even very happy about having been tempted into discussing the subject at all, but I do want to do my bit towards encouraging a genuinely free atmosphere here, since I very much value what this site can offer. When people are sidetracked into wondering whether basic courtesy is a terrible burden for one or two commenters, then we are not going to have the sort of freedom most of us want. It seems to me that the people who want the most rights for themselves are the happiest to deprive others of those same rights.
“But you didn’t answer my question!”, comes the petulant reply, as if another person didn’t have a perfect right not to answer a question loaded to accept only one specific answer…

Objective
Objective
May 15, 2020 12:49 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I’m replying to you because I received a notification. Now scroll up & see what started this topic off. Comeback when you’ve eaten some humble pie. I explained & apologized for my first comments how would I know what happened below?

The original issue was dealt with, it didn’t need to be turned into a crisis. Quite simply don’t read or reply if you cant handle another persons opinion, it really is that easy. If someones posts become abusive or disrespectful delete them no big deal.

You talk about respect & rights, if someone asks an innocent question its only common courtesy to reply. If they deleted his posts it seems reasonable to at least expect the courtesy of a response, i do detest hypocrisy. If you want rules then they must apply equally.

Rules based order = neo-liberalism = hypocrisy, when you run a site who’s main purpose is to investigate the corruption of Neo-liberalism. I’m sorry what is it when you delete posts if not censorship? When you set off down the road of rules based order it always becomes more & more corrupt. It starts with a limit on posts, then expands to what words your allowed to use, what & who you’re allowed to use them against. It very quickly becomes authoritarian. Its bizarre i even have to explain this here.

Its also extremely bizarre i have to point out the risks of regulating everyone’s liberty to control your fears of what might happen in the future. I do not or will not suck up to authority. The moment anyone gets a tiny whiff of power they become corrupt.

And i’m the one suffering the most getting inundated with his spam notifications in my email for defending his freedom of speech, & i will continue to defend his & everyone’s right to free speech. They both behaved like children IMO by not respecting each other.

Free speech is black & white the moment you choose to regulate or limit it with arbitrary rules its censorship, free speech doesn’t mean free of consequences for your personal conduct!

wardropper
wardropper
May 15, 2020 1:22 AM
Reply to  Objective

You’re making far too much out of this. Nobody needs to “suffer” here. Staying on-topic is no more than reasonable behaviour, while the consequences of accidentally going off at a tangent are practically non-existent. Going on… and on… and on… and on…, is, however another matter.
I’ve already expressed my regret at getting sucked into this. In fact I apologize for doing so. The article is about Boris Johnson and the liberties HE is taking with our freedoms.

Objective
Objective
May 15, 2020 1:47 AM
Reply to  wardropper

LOL you got regrets! I wish i had never clicked on this thread today.

Peace.

wardropper
wardropper
May 15, 2020 9:40 AM
Reply to  Objective

You need peace more than I do. Just relax and see if the information here has anything to say to you.
Approve, or disapprove, as you see fit.
Stay, or go, as you see fit.
OffG isn’t about you, or anyone else here.

Objective
Objective
May 15, 2020 10:43 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Patronizing twat.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 15, 2020 11:24 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Objective was clearly trying to end the debate on a comradely note and your response seems needlessly provocative. Let’s end this exchange shall we, and move on.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 14, 2020 4:49 PM
Reply to  Sally

A good kick in the tits usually does the job

Objective
Objective
May 14, 2020 6:23 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Thank you Mussolini

wardropper
wardropper
May 14, 2020 9:15 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Damn. That’s what I meant to say, Arse. I got carried away and wrote 44 lines instead…

Objective
Objective
May 14, 2020 6:20 PM
Reply to  Sally

OK i am assuming this is sarcasm, in which case i totally agree with you. Why do we need centralized censorship, we are all grownups here let them debate. Let the people defend the site from liars with truth & facts.

I don’t really understand the email rule, if there’s a good reason please admin explain it. I can see a case for admin against spam & bots etc. But censorship isn’t warranted just because someone says something you don’t like or disagree with.I may strongly disagree with someone or dislike them but defend with my own life their right to say whatever they want.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 14, 2020 6:31 PM
Reply to  Objective

Trolls and bots routinely use numerous emails and IDs to spam a thread without being detected by the spam filters. Cyber saboteurs use the same trick to argue with themselves and derail conversations.

Asking each poster to use a single email is a bare minimum requirement which any honest poster should have no problem complying with.

Objective
Objective
May 14, 2020 7:29 PM
Reply to  Admin1

Fair enough. However i’d like to point something out such a rule can act as a surveillance mechanism to track users.

I see after the fact that jack went on a hyper troll about HIS belief he was unfairly treated. I think you were very restrained.

I still disagree with any form of admin “censorship” of posts because someone doesn’t agree with the content or context. Its due to nefarious actors fair play.

nameing
nameing
May 14, 2020 8:03 PM
Reply to  Objective

She is lying I was just posting like normal until she started to delete me. It’s a pain to change address, I would only do it when she moderated me. She is awful she should be sacked

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 14, 2020 8:11 PM
Reply to  nameing

You’re just making our point for us.

mname
mname
May 14, 2020 9:29 PM
Reply to  Admin1

That you lie all the time and are censoring people ? because you do and you are.

Objective
Objective
May 14, 2020 8:24 PM
Reply to  nameing

This is the last time i will reply to you.

With respect I think you were wrong this time. I understand sometimes being ignored or censored can be frustrating & emotions can take over. But you were disrespectful to the site.

I would suggest you take time out to reflect that its not worth the stress to get upset over. Admins are just as human as the rest of us. We all make mistakes, its how we respond & deal with those that sets us apart from others.

mname
mname
May 14, 2020 9:50 PM
Reply to  Objective

I was not wrong, I was censored because they hate my message, I know that. This site is a fraud.

wardropper
wardropper
May 14, 2020 9:24 PM
Reply to  nameing

Why did you have to change your address? Why not just use your normal one?

mname
mname
May 14, 2020 9:28 PM
Reply to  Objective

They lied the entire time, stop picking on the victim and siding with the oppressor. This site set him up.

mname
mname
May 14, 2020 9:31 PM
Reply to  Lill(jim)

After that you decided to moderate, (block) all my posts. I asked you again why you did it, and you replied by insulted me, which is amazing, your credibility was totally lost at that point, who the hell do you think you are?

Then you said I was a troll, easy to say but you provided no evidence and I made zero accusations against anyone on the site I made political comment,even as I was called all kinds of stuff by your house trolls.

If I give you the benefit of the doubt, I can petty you ‘Sophie’ because you are out of your depth, and have no idea what you are reading, and have no idea about geopolitics which I was commenting on, but there was nothing troll-like about ANY of my comments. Some are still here below and I advise anyone to read them. Only in your confused head was it trolling.

Also as I said, I did get a LOT of abuse, threats and insults but you were fine with that. You left up the abuse and had absolutely no problem with it, none of them were removed, but my moderate replies were removed, Just like the guardian do.

You can abuse me, but I cannot reply to your house trolls because you will delete me, and discrete my comments and call me a troll even though my replies to your tolls were very clever but moderate.

It’s sinister that you use the same excuse about ‘multiple accounts’ (emails), that the Guardian use to justify deletion of any account which they don’t like, and how you also use the random accusation of troll, without any evidence or any proof and also you use your house trolls to abuse people to drive them off the site. You frauds.

Are you sure you are not sharing the same GCHQ office as the Guardian Sophie, because I think you are, and your far-right honey pot site is spreading fake news from a bunch of far right frauds.

You post far-right news agencies as real media, I challenge it, and you call me the troll, really!

To other posters beware, this site is not what they claim they are, continue to comment but don’t believe for one moment that they are any different from the Guardian.

If I post here again it will be on my terms, because free speech is worth fighting for even against you frauds.

Tony
Tony
May 14, 2020 10:46 PM
Reply to  mname

“Are you sure you are not sharing the same GCHQ office as the Guardian Sophie, because I think you are, and your far-right honey pot site is spreading fake news from a bunch of far right frauds.”

77th Brigade dead giveaway alert!!!

john
john
May 14, 2020 11:28 PM
Reply to  Tony

Really tony don’t you think it points at this site as a 77th brigade site ?

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
May 15, 2020 2:29 AM
Reply to  john

Who you gonna trust in times like these? It’s kind of like the virus, the censorship thing here always seems to happen over the horizon, to someone else who’s loudly spreading alarm left, right and centre, doesn’t it? Where is this censorship? Whose views are being suppressed?

I have only ever removed multiple spammed comments, extreme abuse and racism. I have never suppressed someone’s opinion and have always tried to point out why a comment has been removed, if the opportunity presents itself, and always try to suggest ways to tone it down so it’s within community guidelines. This takes time and effort to do and is pretty much thankless, however I do it because I believe it is worth it.
A2

Mejack(jim)
Mejack(jim)
May 14, 2020 3:10 PM

ME:
You started to moderate my comments, so I changed my email, Why are you trying to moderate my comments, when I am not saying anything in violation of your policies? Can you explain that?

ADMIN1:
I explained to you already that we discourage the use of multiple email addresses for one account, and asked you politely to stick to just one.
Your response is inappropriate and trolling.
Please show a minimum respect for this site and the people who want to read informed opinions not schoolboy nonsense.
Sophie Green (admin1)

ME: ‘’Your response is inappropriate and trolling.’’
I made reasonable comments where was the trolling ?
and I was abused often, why did you not remove the abuse?

You mean you don’t like my opinions, then say so, you are just like the Guardian, you do not tolerate real debate.

Mr X
Mr X
May 14, 2020 2:09 PM

Most don’t get sick or only get light symptoms but that Boris guy ended up in hospital, not a big surprise when you look at him; not exactly Mr Sound eh?

Thom
Thom
May 14, 2020 4:09 PM
Reply to  Mr X

Exactly. If we had a functioning media, they would be asking how Johnson is any position to lecture the country on staying healthy and keeping pressure off the NHS when he went down so badly with the coronavirus himself.
Would anyone seriously trust Boris Johnson to give them advice on staying healthy?

Magggie
Magggie
May 14, 2020 4:50 PM
Reply to  Mr X

Or did he end up in Hospital??
Coincidence that he disappeared two weeks prior to the birth of his latest Bastard.. then reappeared two days before the birth, and had another two weeks off after the birth??
Johnson is a revolting slob of a man, who has played the fool successfully to keep us distracted from the real tragedy, that our economy has gone over the cliff. What a Statesman, he is not. With what appears to be lice ridden hair that he cannot keep his fingers out of, and clothes that he forgot to straighten up after his latest shag. The man makes my skin crawl. And definitely appears to have a very expensive habit which has damaged his sinuses.. Just like George Osborne who was rumoured to be off his face every time he was in Parliament, having just had his ‘sniff’delivered by courier?

https://londonist.com/london/features/the-londoners-who-sell-drugs-online

I think it is time we gave the whole bag or worms the heave ho.. we have managed without them for eight weeks… the back room boys in Westminster have kept the ship on track for the iceberg, so leave it to them to get us out of the tsunami that is about to hit us. They are being paid anyway, so make all the part time bit players who have been enjoying ‘another’ extended holiday, at our expence who do nothing other than read the scripts written by their masters, redundant. Let them have a taste of what it is to be so desperate that they have to rely on food banks. But they won’t will they? Because they already have their statches waiting for them in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands, or wherever they hoard their riches.
Good old Stanley showed what they were made of when the shit was beginning to hit the fan.. He got himself out to France..when travel was allegedly restricted, in and out… but shhhh, least said about that. He was a spy after all, according to him, and knows all the loopholes and tricks.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 14, 2020 5:38 PM
Reply to  Mr X

My take is that they were extra cautious. The fat Supreme Leader’s health is of paramount importance.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 14, 2020 5:46 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Yes, that was sarcasm.

Objective
Objective
May 14, 2020 6:26 PM
Reply to  Mr X

He went in hospital because he was expecting a baby! How else could he brake his own curfew rules. Those nice mi5 nurses helped enormously 🙂

Jnostique
Jnostique
May 14, 2020 2:03 PM

This special edition chat from ‘The Human Unleashed’ guys is the perfect bridge to share with ‘normie’ people to help them understand what is happening… they have set out to specifically achieve this and have brilliantly accounted for it on all levels…
For all those we love and are struggling to communicate with… for all those we need in active tribe to maintain our identity… for all humans…

…also their previous chat is essential info with a very courageous and articulate NHS ‘frontliner’, the two chats combined are a cure for sure… 🙂

2.5hrs total

I hope everyone is bravely holding it together, sending love out to alll…

Sally
Sally
May 14, 2020 3:34 PM
Reply to  Jnostique

Dr. Josh is a great fan of the ‘Liverpool care path’, who knew.

MrChops
MrChops
May 14, 2020 6:10 PM
Reply to  Jnostique

This is the greatest, most lucid, most balanced take down of “ mind fuckery” the modern world has ever seen. Whilst everyone is watching the magician’s right hand only the very few are watching what the left hand is doing.

Jnostique
Jnostique
May 15, 2020 12:34 PM
Reply to  MrChops

Yep… if folk can just pay attention for a bit longer than it takes to access the fridge from the couch we just might make it… with exposure to clear, concise, heart driven information such as this there remains a chance that the hidden hand will fail…
Its amazing how easy it is to remember and apply the truth, despite the decades of well installed memory loss, triggers and illusion we have as a society I still have hope…

Meanwhile the whole charade just makes ya wanna get off your chops really… them damned triggers huh…

Its not apathy to retreat in disgust… though I’m gonna stay lucid

Magggie
Magggie
May 14, 2020 6:45 PM
Reply to  Jnostique

Brilliant, thanks for those. Listened to them whilst preparing our dinner. And reposted them to all my contact list plus my MP… I have written to her before, last week I received a reply from what I presume is her ‘assistant’… like she is so busy now that she can’t even read her own mail??? He said that he was unable to open the UK column page? What a load of tossers. Christ only knows ‘where’ they get their information from? They supposedly work for us, who pay their wages.. but can’t even be bothered to listen to us or check out what we ask them to look at?
I don’t know about anyone else but I’m getting to the end of my tether, quickly getting to the stage where we call for them to be lined up on the wall?

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 15, 2020 4:33 PM
Reply to  Magggie

Make them suffer slowly. Reduce their salary dramatically, and make sure they have to do their own food shopping.

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 16, 2020 3:57 AM
Reply to  Jnostique

“Lockdown Death” – a phenomenon of it’s own; suicide, mental illness, drug overdoses, familial dispute.

I imagine all of these “Lockdown Deaths” have been marked covid.

Rob
Rob
May 14, 2020 1:43 PM

Hi admin …one of the commenters posted a link to a richie Allen sound clip of Chris Whitty admitting this virus is no worse than a bad flu….it has been removed from YouTube….do you perhaps have a different link? Thank you.

thankful reader
thankful reader
May 14, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  Rob

here you go

better save interesting videos with https://www.y2mate.com/ cos they are deleting them fast now

RobG
RobG
May 14, 2020 7:43 PM

Thank you, thankful reader.

Everyone should download and save this stuff, to be used as later evidence against these psychopaths.

They said a similar thing during this evening’s press briefing (Thursday); ie, this is no worse than seasonal flu.

Zen Priest
Zen Priest
May 14, 2020 1:42 PM

This stupid ‘second wave’ nonsense. I predict there will be a ‘second wave’, which is to say that when we relax lockdown cases will go up slightly. Well duh.
The trouble is the fake media and all the shrieking idiots will go “SEE, WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE EASED THE LOCKDOWN!”
When in truth, this shows we never should have had it in the first place. Locking people up was always going to result in more cases when we stopped locking them up.
Herd immunity is the only sensible strategy.

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
May 14, 2020 1:30 PM

It seems 500,000 people have registered for this Saturday’s demo against the lockdown in Stuttgart. The city apparently has a population of 632,692. The local government there will decide today how many registrants will be permitted to demonstrate. Time will tell how many registrants actually turn up.

Estimates for last Saturday’s demo range from 10,000 to 35,000. 10,000 were approved, if I recall correctly.

All eyes on Germany!

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
May 14, 2020 1:42 PM
Reply to  Toby Russell

10,000 “approved”?
Approved?

Baaawahahahaha. Okay. 🤐

Mr X
Mr X
May 14, 2020 2:12 PM

You may protest if you stand over there and keep quiet.

Zen Priest
Zen Priest
May 14, 2020 1:42 PM
Reply to  Toby Russell

We need same in UK.

Jack(unmoderated)
Jack(unmoderated)
May 14, 2020 2:04 PM
Reply to  Zen Priest

Yes, but lets not let the far-right highjack it.

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
May 14, 2020 2:42 PM
Reply to  Zen Priest

My guess is it’s the NHS brand that is the key difference here. Germany is federal, so each regional state within the union has quite a lot of independence in how it does health. There’s no monolithic entity commanding all doctors on how to treat the illness, nor is there the very strong and deep love of a brand we Brits have for a moribund entity that used to be the NHS.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 14, 2020 5:42 PM
Reply to  Zen Priest

I’ve seen newspaper reports of there being plans for them here. A rag in Sheffield described one they claimed was planned for Sheffield as “illegal and dangerous”.

I have also heard of one apparently planned for Hyde Park, but I don’t know if these rumours are true.

Offlands
Offlands
May 14, 2020 1:23 PM

Instilling the fear for round 2:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/14/second-deadly-wave-coronavirus-hit-europe-winter/

The epicentre of the European outbreak is now in the east, with the number of cases rising in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan, he warned.

East at the epicentre? Belarus, no lockdown at all and 151 deaths (16 per million) in 26,772 cases – a 0.5% CFR and I am sure a much lower IFR. Russia also listed as 16 deaths per million, Ukraine 10 per million, Kazakhstan a scary 2 deaths per million. Get a fucking grip.

Comments suggest that not many are buying this shit any more though. Sadly many will just read the disgraceful headline and go back to hiding under the stairs until next year.

David
David
May 14, 2020 2:42 PM
Reply to  Offlands

You see how easy they’ve made it ? Timed perfectly so that the “invisible enemy”, you know, the one with the EXACT SAME symptoms as the common cold, hits a “second wave” as the latter would naturally ramp up.
Seamless dovetailing.
Pandemic 2 as Bill would have it.
Resist the resulting control measures, don’t download the app, don’t have the vak-seeeen, stay free

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
May 14, 2020 1:22 PM

Warning. ⚠ These folks are great but he is talking nonesense about stochastic learning in models and AI.
You use random samples. However your results are only as good as your data and model.
Garbage in, garbage out.
However, this an the new NN models are in desparate need of code review and relevant peer review across domains.
As described, I have seen a great deal of this sort of sloppy coding lacking any standards and the complaint sounds entirely credible.

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
May 14, 2020 1:28 PM

Hey Off Guardian. A citizens’ cross domain expert panel would be effective.
Previously I looked at current crowd sourcing as a fast and dirty start up.
There are better solutions but they will have to wait.
I specialization in low cost RAD solutions and view this as strategically effective given a lack of resources.

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
May 14, 2020 12:57 PM

Wait just a second… What is that western devil Soros up to these days? Did he sell short on ventilators?
I imagine he is stealing all the incubators needed for the pending baby boom. Perhaps transfusions of baby serum is putting that little skip in his step lately.
Suuurrre it could all these profits. MAYBE… he was merely in his cups… It could be.
On the other hand maybe the old vampire is eating children and reading entrails from beheaded chickens while doing an over flight of the UK.
You just never know these days.
Now… Who said mean things about Bill Gates? Dear me.
Amoung the Horsemen I happen to be death. Cool huh? It’s becoming pretty clear who pestilence might be. War? Don’t be dense!
I hear the food supply is now at great risk all over the globe.
This has really got my juices flowing. Saddle up boys! It’s time to ride!
The planet is ours! Bring me the head of some prophet. I don’t care which.

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
May 14, 2020 1:03 PM

The priests eyes were full of blood. Did you see it? And the President too! I don’t like him. His fingers have a rapist smell when he gets too close and touchie-feelie.
When I told not to touch me his eyes turned black! And then they filled with blood.
The end times are upon us. Is God dead?

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
May 14, 2020 1:07 PM

Did you hear that? It sounds like horses screaming. Don’t answer the door.

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
May 14, 2020 1:11 PM

I remember the great famine and the billion eaten. I was there. Everyone died.
Is it happening again? Was it just a dream? My fevered mind… I am trapped in the loop.
What became of Cassandra?

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
May 14, 2020 12:41 PM

From what I understand, the US can go quite a while dumping dollars down a sewer and remain in reasonable shape relatively speaking.
It’s why the stock market retains some value.
England had to leave the EU. But with that additional economic whammy you can’t really rebuild your economic base and infrastructure without a lot of problems.
So I am wonderimg. Can someone with more knowledge give an opinion on this?
Can you even pay for this?

Jack(unmoderated)
Jack(unmoderated)
May 14, 2020 2:11 PM

The US can not piss 42%+ of their GDP against a wall, without a currency crisis, they are planning to crash the dollar and default in international debt.

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
May 15, 2020 4:04 AM

Actually Jack agree and previously said AOC could only pay for GND thru reduced MIC spending. IE. No AOC you actually can’t just print money endlessly.
As it is, when the US does it’s your country’s US dollars (or paycheck) loosing value. Cute.
It looks like they can print quite a bit more but when they hit that limit it will collapse. Said collapses being unpredictable and rapid when they occur.
So it explained to me why it already hadn’t occurred but didn’t paint a rosy picture to this layman.

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
May 15, 2020 4:25 AM

Jack… Jack Jim multiple Jack? That’s a concern. You didn’t arrive here via the Intercept did you? I warned them.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 14, 2020 12:33 PM

Covid is nothing, you forget that they have convinced the population before that destroying their own country and economy for no tangible gain is a good thing, via Brexit.

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