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The Online Double-bind

Edward Curtin

Thanks to engin akyurt for sharing their work on Unsplash.

The trap was set at least twenty-five years ago and the mice jumped at the smell of the cheese. I am referring to the introduction of the computer as a mass necessity and the Internet that followed. I was slow to enter the trap, “forced” finally in 2007 by the college where I was teaching.

Up to that point, I was just a member of The Lead Pencil Club, whose motto was “a speed bump on the information superhighway” and whose membership list numbered twenty-three and a half people worldwide. When I slowly and reluctantly reached for the cheese the trap snapped, not on my neck to finish me, but on my head that was half in and half out.

The out part kept thinking.

What follows are that half-head’s musings on why I didn’t follow my intuition, the whole damn sorry situation we are all in, and what we might do to spring the trap and run free. I don’t like this trapped feeling. And, by the way, the cheese was American, which is not exactly real cheese.

In 1960 the sociologist C. Wright Mills said that there was far too much information for people to assimilate and make sense of and that lucid summations were needed. He was echoing Thoreau who in 1854 said:

If you are acquainted with the principle, what do you care for a myriad instances and applications?”

Mills said people needed to develop what he called the sociological imagination that would allow them to condense and simplify news and to connect personal and social matters within historical and structural contexts.

That was the long-lost era of newspapers, long-form paper magazines, the reading of books, and minimal television stations. To think that there was far too much information then can only make one laugh, now that the digital revolution has buried us in data, information, and “breaking news” at warp speed, usually contradictory and lacking context.

The internet has literally made people crazy, created schizoid or split personalities who don’t know whether they are coming or going or what world they are in, physical or virtual. This is the era of social schizophrenia. It is also the era of Covid-19 lockdowns when a far greater online life is promoted as the necessary future.

If people once felt that all the information was too confusing and they were ending up thinking and doing things ass-backwards as a result, back then they might have understood it if you told them that the only way you can do anything is ass-backwards. Today, many would probably greet you with a look of bewilderment as they googled it to see if there was a way to swivel their asses to the front to get adjusted to the way they feel while waiting online for clear directions to emerge. Which way does an ass go?

They will be waiting for a long, long time.

The Internet is a double-bind because we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t. News, writing, and information of all sorts is now often not available any other way. The era of paper newspapers is coming to an end. This was meant to be.

Other sources of fact and fiction have gradually been eliminated, while the content on the Internet has been dramatically increased and progressively censored. The dream of an open Internet is turning into a nightmare.

If you look at the Internet’s creation and development by the US military-intelligence-Silicon Valley network as a tool for social control, propaganda, and total spying, if you grasp this nexus and their intentions, you will come away realizing that the Internet and the total integrated digital world is a dystopian tool designed to make you crazy. To sow confusion and endless contradictory information from minute to minute. To “flood the zone” (see Event 201) with propaganda and disinformation. To give you a headache, keep you agitated, destroy your genuine human experience in the physical world.

To put you into a state of frenetic passivity while whispering in your ear that there is no escape, while allowing elements of truth to emerge to keep you addicted.

This is the double-bind. It is what Jacques Ellul in 1964 called the technological society that is ruled by technique in every aspect of its life. Technique is a way of thinking that emphasizes efficiency; it is a way of thinking that emphasizes order and standardized means to a predetermined end. It is rational, deliberate, and focused on results. It is a way of thinking that has penetrated deep into the psychic structures of society and opposes spontaneity and unreflective action.

Machines grow out of technical thinking, and today the computer, the internet, and artificial intelligence are the ideal manifestations of such thinking. They are the result, not the cause.

As such, digital technology satisfies the technical mindsets that have been created over the decades, which includes regular people who have been gradually softened up to believe these machine dreams. Efficiency, results, practicality, and speed. The human body as a wonderful machine.

We have all been so conditioned, even those of us old enough to have lived before the computer era. Starting particularly in the early 1990s with the rat-a-tat electronic frenzy of the U.S. televised aggressive war against Iraq, euphemistically called the Gulf War and presented live with round-the-clock television coverage by ghoulish announcers more excited than 13-year-old boys with a porn magazine, the speed of everyday life has increased.

If you lived through those years and were sensitive to the social drift, you could feel the pace of life pick up year-to-year, as everyone was induced to get in the fast lane. On the information superhighway, it is the only lane.

Paul Virilio, a French thinker, has focused on this issue of speed in his studies of dromology, from dromos: a race, running. While his language is perhaps too academic, his insights are profound, as with the following point:

The speed of the new optoelectronic and electroacoustic milieu becomes the final void (the void of the quick), a vacuum that no longer depends on the interval between places or things and so on the world’s extension, but on the interface of an instantaneous transmission of remote appearances, on a geographic and geometric retention in which all volume, all relief vanishes.

This is the world of teleconferencing and the online life, existence shorn of physical space and time and people. A world where shaking hands is a dissident act. A haunted world of specters, words, and images that can appear and disappear in a nanosecond. A magic show. A place where, in the words of Charles Manson, you can “get the fear,” where fear is king. A locus where, as we sit at home “sheltering in place,” we are no longer there.

Ernest Hemingway sniffed the future when in The Sun Also Rises, he has the protagonist Jake Barnes say no to Robert Cohn, who wants him to travel to South America with him, with these words: “All countries look like the moving pictures.”

That was 1926.

Things have changed a wee bit since then. But the essence of propaganda and social control remains the same. “All those people who seek to control the behavior of large numbers of other people work on the experiences of those other people,” wrote R.D. Laing, in The Politics of Experience. “Once people can be induced to experience a situation in a similar way, they can be expected to behave in similar ways.”

Mystification takes place when people can be convinced that a social construction – e.g. the Internet and the digital life – is part of “the natural order of things,” like the air we breathe. And that life online is real life, better and more real than physical existence.

I believe the digital revolution has gone a long way toward destroying our experience as persons. It is the endless magical mystery tour that goes nowhere. It is the ultimate psychodrama conjured by a satanic magician.

Do I exaggerate? Perhaps. But how else explain the spell this medium has cast on billions of people worldwide? Did the human race suddenly get smart? Or are many more people crazy?

I ask myself this question, and now I ask you. Has the Internet and the devices to access it made your life better or worse? Has it made the life of humanity better or worse? Has its essential role in globalization made for a better world?

Obviously, there are pluses to the Internet, just as there are pluses to almost everything. I don’t deny that. The plus side of death is that the thought of it reminds you that you are alive. The plus side of television is you don’t have to turn it on. Like you, I could rattle off many good things about the Internet (not cell phones, sorry). But on the scale of good and bad, where do you come down? Where do I?

Or is it possible we can’t decide because we are too conflicted and caught in a double-bind?

I am of two minds, or more accurately, two half-heads. The upper part, pinned in the trap and dead to my situation, can only answer yes, sir, now that I am trapped, my life is better.

I can debate endlessly the minutiae of every issue thrown out like pieces of meat for caged lions. I can check the weather forecast for every hour of every day of the week, even though I know they will probably be wrong. I can get directions even though I know you don’t need a director to know which way the roads go. I can research issues quickly and pontificate as if I were an expert on every matter from a to z. I can feel I am informed while feeling deformed by the contradictory information that appears and disappears every few minutes.

Essentially, I can feel in-touch and worthy of respect from friends and neighbors because I can exchange empty words with them about nothing. I can feel so very normal and rejoice in that. I can feel sane.

On the negative side, well, my lower half-head, the one that’s still thinking lead-pencil thoughts, the slow and easy stuff, the calm cool breeze oh what a lovely daydreams – you don’t really need to hear what it has to bitch about the Internet. You can probably guess.

In a fine article, Vicious Cycles: Theses on a philosophy of news, in Harper’s Magazine, Greg Jackson writes the following about our addiction to so-called “news” (the Internet):

When we turn away from the news, we will confront a startling loneliness. It is the loneliness of life. The loneliness of thinking, of having no one to think for us, and of uncertainty.

It is a loneliness that was always there but that was obscured by an illusion, and we will miss the illusion…. And we will miss tuning in each day to hear that voice that cuts boredom and loneliness in its solution of the present tense, that like Scheherazade assures us the story is still unfolding and always will be.

I don’t know whether we can give it up.

Nor do I.

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maxine
maxine
May 21, 2020 11:02 PM

My experience with the Internet has been extremely positive….Indeed, it has changed my life for the better….I feel far more educated than I did after University….It satisfies my endless curioity….I love being able to ask questions on and get answers to any subject in which I’m interested….Of course one does need a modicum of intelligence to distinguish between what seems to make sense and what is obviously idiotic….Of course if one is stupid to begin with, the Internet is likely to make one even more stupid.

I should also say I have no interest in Facebook, Twitter or any other questionable social media.

Don Paul
Don Paul
May 19, 2020 10:34 PM

Ellul was even more prescient than 1964 with The Technological Society. 1954 for the French edition. Great book, and thank you for bringing it up.

Hail
Hail
May 19, 2020 2:44 PM

To think that there was far too much information then can only make one laugh, now that the digital revolution has buried us in data, information, and “breaking news” at warp speed, usually contradictory and lacking context.

The internet has literally made people crazy

This has been the observation of many on Corona, or the Corona-Reaction, the subtext of this essay. As many have pointed out, even a similar event just eleven years ago (Swine Flu emergence in 2009) caused no global panic. Similar events in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s (effectively pre-Internet) came and went, often with virtually no public awareness at all, and obviously with no shutdowns.

Much of the pro-Panic side’s persuasiveness comes from Contextlessness. Swamping people in Scary Big Numbers and flashing pictures. I have written about this in my modest efforts against Corona-Paranoia, as in here (Contextlessness in Corona).

What we have seen is not madness, though. We have seen the rise of a Corona-centered religious cult, which as a religion at least bears internal consistency (i.e., not insanity).

Corona bears many striking resemblances to the religious cults studies by anthropologists/archaeologists in pre-literate societies. To the extent that the Corona-Cult was enabled by our high technology, well that is ironic. We have come full circle?
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“Remember when this guy sounded crazy?” Yes, we do.

Hail
Hail
May 19, 2020 2:31 PM

In 1960 the sociologist C. Wright Mills said that there was far too much information for people to assimilate and make sense of and that lucid summations were needed.

Looking him up, I notice that C. Wright Mills (b.1916) looks remarkably similar to Corona-era German Health Minister Jens Spahn (b.1980). Doppelgangers. Everything, face, eyes, glasses, and hair.

Just thought I would add that highly relevant information.

Mr X
Mr X
May 18, 2020 6:57 PM

“Essentially, I can feel in-touch and worthy of respect from friends and neighbors because I can exchange empty words with them about nothing. I can feel so very normal and rejoice in that. I can feel sane.”

I end up saying anything but empty words and the reactions don’t make me feel normal at all. Insane I would say, but then I think …. me or them?

Scheherazade
Scheherazade
May 18, 2020 3:28 PM

“They’re building the architecture of oppression.” – Edward Snowden

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 19, 2020 2:00 AM
Reply to  Scheherazade

Snowed’em would know. His career as a CIA agent, subcontracting for NSA, didn’t really take off til he became a global household word, kind of like this corona psyopera.

Then Eddie the Friendly Spook “defected” to Moscow, a favorite haunt shared by Lee Harvey O.

Give them both a Standing O!

Deserved by actors who are really agents.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 20, 2020 12:00 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

I thought Oswald was in Minsk. ‘Belarus’ surely.

when not if
when not if
May 18, 2020 3:26 PM

We shouldn’t forget that the ills brought by the Internet have all the roots in neoliberalism.

wardropper
wardropper
May 18, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  when not if

Probably true, although I find myself increasingly seeing all those ills simply as inflicted upon good people by bad people. No “ism” ever really harmed a human being; it’s only what individual people do which can be harmful. I like to name names… For me, Norman Tebbit, Edwina Currie, Keith Joseph and Maggie herself harmed people, not “Thatcherism”.

Scheherazade
Scheherazade
May 18, 2020 2:52 PM

An altogether great and well-written article but I too refuse to be coerced by deletion and erasure into commenting under an alias.

Thom
Thom
May 18, 2020 2:37 PM

The internet an certainly be a vehicle of propaganda and a tool to be used with care, like a car. But I’d argue the newspapers and TV have been much more open to abuse by governments.
There is another relevant issue here that has not, I don’t think been touched on – that unlike the old media, the internet has the ability to keep people across the world communicating with each other, therefore lessening the chances of major war.
It cuts out the middle man (governments and editors) thus a situation like a hundred years ago where the Germans were demonised as savages during the run-up to world war seems inconceivable now.

Waldorf
Waldorf
May 19, 2020 10:31 AM
Reply to  Thom

Governments and their mouthpieces sometimes worry about their control over it, and Erdoğan’s government in Turkey (to name one example) throws people in jail for social media use that it finds uncongenial.

Arty Grrrr My
Arty Grrrr My
May 18, 2020 2:35 PM

Dear OffGuardian.

I seriously love this place but what is this business of intimidating us into commenting anonymously and then stealing our ideas? As if it’s not bad enough that we’re being held under house arrest with no other other options than to download our thoughts… What is this BS?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 19, 2020 12:59 AM
Reply to  Arty Grrrr My

If you wish to keep your thoughts proprietary, don’t think them.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 19, 2020 4:06 PM
Reply to  Arty Grrrr My

I don’t understand the comment. I comment under my real name, and apparently so do quite a few others.

Arty Grrrr My
Arty Grrrr My
May 18, 2020 11:54 AM

If you will excuse me, I’m going to make random technology-related points in the following text.

1) A v a t a r (the film)…

2) My Generation Z son and Iwere practically bullied into buying him an iPhone. I really did not want my son staring at a screen all day long and besides we couldn’t afford one anyway. Soon, he was borrowing his classmates’ phones while at school and was into the various games which were available on them and very soon after that that his ethnically white Swedish best friend was telling him that he’d NEVER BE ABLE TO AFFORD ONE. Well, that was when I called his father (my ex-husband) who then called his dubious Gambian friends and next thing you know all sorts of people are calling my son on his iPhone and asking for Magnus…

Leaving that funny story aside, I can not deny that these phones have robbed my son of an education. He is not in the slightest bit interested in school. On the other hand, he teaches himself stuff and who wants their child being brainwashed by Eugenicist State Curriculums, right? – Right, but it still saddens me deeply that my son was systematically robbed of his time and right to education.

I would like to point out here that prior to his first iPhone my son had a beautiful brand new flick top Sony Ericcsonwhich his father had recently bought for him.

2) Where is Libya’s money? Because the invasion of Libya was yet another grand technology-based case of US robbery.

3) I do not like commenting here anonymously and I suggest that we all refuse to comment anonymously on OffGuardian because I assure you all that here yet again there are IDEA, THOUGHT, COPYRIGHT, CONCEPT & BOAT THIEVES amongst us!… What kind of democratic platform is this that robs us of our opinions only to rehash them as tomorrow’s ingenious OffGuarduan article? Have you ppl no morals at all? Because if the answer is NO then don’t be surprised by what China does to you next!

BobWelham
BobWelham
May 18, 2020 10:27 AM

I find the teachings of J Krishnamurti to be very clear and accurate on the state of mind that we call loneliness. Isolation is loneliness yet we invent innumerable ways in which to demarcate and thus isolate ourselves from each other. Religions, politics, skin colour …. you name it.
The internet is the most effective general technology yet invented for such distractions and the avoidance of our common existential reality. Soon full virtual reality will be commonplace and many will find it addictive. Individual connection to a global AI controlled grid by brain implant is envisioned and promoted by researchers in Silicon Valley.
We are entering potentially transformational times.
What sort of world do we want for our children and grandchildren?

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 18, 2020 2:07 PM
Reply to  BobWelham

Yo, I saw that movie. About 20 years back. “The Matrix”. Youre suggesting this current “reality” is really just the prequel.

BobWelham
BobWelham
May 18, 2020 2:47 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Hi John.
I didn’t intend to suggest that and I think “The Matrix” movie is largely metaphorical.
I am trying to say first that, as is proposed by many Eastern philosophies, there is an underlying commonality to human beings that is beyond thought, beyond distraction, beyond conditioning. For this ‘otherness’ to come into being the mind must be quiet, though fully aware. Initially this stillness can seem very lonely and our noisy minds habitually find ways to smother it.
Second, that modern technology increasingly facilitates propaganda, mass distraction and conditioning as never before. To paraphrase Al Jolson, we ain’t seen nothing yet! So humanity is now entering acutely dangerous times.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
May 18, 2020 12:52 AM

TOO DANGEROUS FOR HOMO SAPIENS

Back in 1973, when the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) began to investigate technologies for interlinking networks of various kinds I don’t think those scientists ever imagined their research would lead to a communication network capable of replacing all other ways of relaying information. Obviously, we can talk endlessly about how the internet is causing an anomic society suffering from intermittent catatonia, but having said that one must also mention it’s mighty nice to have immediate access to information on almost any subject.

Let’s face it, all new innovations and especially technological developments are double edged swords which either can greatly enhance lives or make them a living hell. Every device within our culture can be useful or detrimental: a knife can nicely cut your food, or it can be used as a weapon; antibiotics can fight infection, but overused can create more virulent untreatable forms of infections; a car is a convenient form of transportation, or it can be a deathtrap. Objects themselves are just things, it’s their application which is often disturbing. In this respect, the issue is the disfiguring of an invention’s implementation.

Of course, in the case of military research and development the intentions are insidious from the start we need to look no further then biological weapons labs, or at other newly developed deadly armaments. At any rate, the “mentality of individuals” determine the hideous nature of how innovations are deployed. In other words, the barbarity of the human species is reflected in the way science is applied.

The devolving of a communications network into a sophisticated surveillance system is not an indictment of the technology, but of the mindset of a species which takes a device capable of educating billions and turns it into an elaborate security state monitoring system. Perhaps, the real issue is that 21st Century technology is too dangerous for Homo sapiens.
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Chimes0
Chimes0
May 18, 2020 12:47 AM

My email says it’s by Kit Knightly. No it isn’t. This would never happen in lead pencil world.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 18, 2020 12:12 AM

The jester gives voice to reason. Comedian Steve Hughes talks about the brain of normie on A FreakSense World YT channel.

Snippets here: https://moneycircus.blogspot.com/2020/05/comedian-steve-hughes-on-brain-of-normie.html Steve Hughes starts at 17 minutes https://youtu.be/S2OOMHnPDok?t=1028

Penny
Penny
May 17, 2020 11:46 PM

Mystification takes place when people can be convinced that a social construction – e.g. the Internet and the digital life – is part of “the natural order of things,” like the air we breathe. And that life online is real life, better and more real than physical existence.

I agree wholeheartedly with that idea of mystification through a social construct. It occurred prior to the internet with the tell-a-vision, but, the internet has amplified the concept. The internet, like the tell a vision are not part of the natural order of things, in fact they have nothing to do with the real natural order… And are most certainly not more real then existing in the real physical world

I believe the digital revolution has gone a long way toward destroying our experience as persons. It is the endless magical mystery tour that goes nowhere. It is the ultimate psychodrama conjured by a satanic magician.

Agree with that!

Do I exaggerate? Perhaps. But how else explain the spell this medium has cast on billions of people worldwide? Did the human race suddenly get smart? Or are many more people crazy?

People are more crazy, lazy and out of touch with reality then ever before.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
May 17, 2020 10:41 PM

so the tech monster is taking over our lives….but who has control over it ?… I think the illusion is the belief that we control it, when in truth, we’re being played, led deeper into its web, trapped in its net and held under its power, restricted through dependence , slowly vulgarized into ineffectual hollowness, deteriorated until so manipulated by it that folk won’t know of or care for a life in any other way but artificial – so where are the calls restrict Its influence – to question those who built it and that would use it against us ….those who’s continuation is reliant on it taking them to a managed repeat, sustaining their control, and completing the apparatuses infinite circle of physical dominion.

this thing, this game, this performance – even to my lesser intermediate self , all is Insignificant.

TrueNorth
TrueNorth
May 17, 2020 9:41 PM

“The calm cool breeze” is exactly how it feels. It feels refreshing to be able to think independently.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 17, 2020 8:15 PM

I have always liked Italians but Sara Cunial is Something Else…

Che coraggio. Che coraggio !!!!

BRILLANTE!!!!!!!

“Italian MP,Sara Cunial,Blasts Bill Gates in the Italian Parliament”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyH2ZCrBSQ0

Tony

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
May 17, 2020 9:25 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I love that woman. I don’t care if someone says she’s right-wing or this or that blah blah blah…

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 17, 2020 11:55 PM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

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Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 18, 2020 11:51 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

Bellissimo Sara Cunial💖👏Bravo, grazie. Daniel I couldn’t care if she had 2 heads! My 3 favourite women in the last 6 months: Judy Mikovits, Dolores Cahill, Sara Cunial.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
May 18, 2020 9:45 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Oh, yes, I like them too. Just been watching Max Irgan over your way (relatively speaking).. interesting on the 6G.. nanotech etc.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 17, 2020 9:35 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

“Hobbes said that absolute power does not come from an imposition from above but by the choice of individuals who feel more protected renouncing to their own freedom and granting it to a third party. With this, you are going on anesthetizing the minds with corrupted Mass Media with Amuchina (a brand of disinfectant promoted by Mass Media) and NLP, with words like “regime”, “to allow” and “to permit”, to the point of allowing you to regulate our emotional ties and feelings and certify our affects.

So, in this way, Phase 2 is nothing else than the persecution/continuation of Phase 1 – you just changed the name, as you did with the European Stability Mechanism (ESM). We have understood people, for sure, don’t die for the virus alone. So people will be allowed to die and suffer, thanks to you and your laws, for misery and poverty. And, as in the “best” regimes, the blame will be dropped only on citizens. You take away our freedom and say that we looked for it. Divide et Impera (Divide and Rule).

It is our children who will lose more, who are ‘raped souls’, with the help of the so-called “guarantor of their rights” and of CISMAI (Italian Coordination of Services against Child Abuse). In this way, the right to school will be granted only with a bracelet to get them used to probation, to get them used to slavery – involuntary treatment and to virtual lager. All this in exchange for a push-scooter and a tablet. All to satisfy the appetites of a financial capitalism whose driving force is the conflict of interest, conflict well represented by the WHO, whose main financier is the well-known “philanthropist and savior of the world” Bill Gates.

Hobbes said that absolute power does not come from an imposition from above but by the choice of individuals who feel more protected renouncing to their own freedom and granting it to a third party. With this, you are going on anesthetizing the minds with corrupted Mass Media with Amuchina (a brand of disinfectant promoted by Mass Media) and NLP, with words like “regime”, “to allow” and “to permit”, to the point of allowing you to regulate our emotional ties and feelings and certify our affects.

So, in this way, Phase 2 is nothing else than the persecution/continuation of Phase 1 – you just changed the name, as you did with the European Stability Mechanism (ESM). We have understood people, for sure, don’t die for the virus alone. So people will be allowed to die and suffer, thanks to you and your laws, for misery and poverty. And, as in the “best” regimes, the blame will be dropped only on citizens. You take away our freedom and say that we looked for it. Divide et Impera (Divide and Rule).

It is our children who will lose more, who are ‘raped souls’, with the help of the so-called “guarantor of their rights” and of CISMAI (Italian Coordination of Services against Child Abuse). In this way, the right to school will be granted only with a bracelet to get them used to probation, to get them used to slavery – involuntary treatment and to virtual lager. All this in exchange for a push-scooter and a tablet. All to satisfy the appetites of a financial capitalism whose driving force is the conflict of interest, conflict well represented by the WHO, whose main financier is the well-known “philanthropist and savior of the world” Bill Gates.

We all know it, now. Bill Gates, already in 2018, predicted a pandemic, simulated in October 2019 at the “Event 201”, together with Davos (Switzerland). For decades, Gates has been working on Depopulation policy and dictatorial control plans on global politics, aiming to obtain the primacy on agriculture, technology and energy.

Gates said, I quote exactly from his speech:

“If we do a good job on vaccines, health and reproduction, we can reduce the world population by 10-15%. Only a genocide can save the world”.

With his vaccines, Gates managed to sterilize millions of women in Africa. Gates caused a polio epidemic that paralyzed 500,000 children in India and still today with DTP, Gates causes more deaths than the disease itself. And he does the same with GMOs designed by Monsanto and “generously donated” to needy populations. All this while he is already thinking about distributing the quantum tattoo for vaccination recognition and mRNA vaccines as tools for reprogramming our immune system. In addition, Gates also does business with several multinationals that own 5G facilities in the USA.

On this table there is the entire Deep State in Italian sauce: Sanofi, together with GlaxoSmithKline are friends of the Ranieri Guerra, Ricciardi, and of the well-known virologist that we pay 2000 Euro every 10 minutes for the presentations on Rai (Italian state TV. She’s probably talking about Burioni). Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline sign agreements with medical societies to indoctrinate future doctors, making fun of their autonomy of judgment and their oath.

Hi-Tech multinationals, like the Roman Engineering which is friend of the noble Mantoan, or Bending Spoons, of Pisano, which are there for control and manage our personal health datas in agreement with the European Agenda ID2020 of electronic identification, which aims to use mass vaccination to obtain a digital platform of digital ID. This is a continuation of the transfer of data started by Renzi to IBM. Renzi, in 2016, gave a plus 30% to Gates Global Fund.

On the Deep State table there are the people of Aspen, like the Saxon Colao, who with his 4-pages reports, paid 800 Euros/hour, with no scientific review, dictates its politics as a Bilderberg general as he is, staying away from the battlefield. The list is long. Very long. In the list there is also Mediatronic, by Arcuri and many more.

The Italian contribution to the International Alliance Against Coronavirus will be of 140 million Euros, of which 120 million Euros will be given to GAVI Alliance, the non-profit by Gates Foundation. They are just a part of the 7.4 billion Euro fund by the EU to find a vaccine against Coronavirus – vaccines which will be used as I said before.

No money, of course for serotherapy, which has the collateral effect of being super cheap. No money for prevention, a real prevention, which includes our lifestyles, our food and our relationship with the environment.

The real goal of all of this is total control. Absolute domination of human beings, transformed into guinea pigs and slaves, violating sovereignty and free will. All this thanks to tricks/hoax disguised as political compromises. While you rip up the Nuremberg code with involuntary treatment, fines and deportation, facial recognition and intimidation, endorsed by dogmatic scientism – protected by our “Multi-President” of the Republic who is real cultural epidemic of this country.

We, with the people, will multiply the fires of resistance in a way that you won’t be able to repress all of us.

I ask you, President, to be the spokesperson and give an advice to our President Conte: Dear Mr. President Conte, next time you receive a phone call from the philanthropist Bill Gates forward it directly to the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity. If you won’t do this, tell us how we should define you, the “friend lawyer” who takes orders from a criminal.”

Thank you.

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
May 17, 2020 8:00 PM

The daily double-bind I face with the Internet, while I long for the days without it, lost to me forever: I need it to find information – the “truth” – I am denied by mass media, and was denied even in their better times. How much earlier I could have learned the sordid background of the Vietnam War, JFK’s assassination, 9/11 – even the origins of World War I – without devoting most hours of my day to the task!

Yet all the truths I search for are only tentatively available to me, come with extraneous negative baggage, and are in the process of being gradually withdrawn. Thus the trap is sprung.

In relation to COVID, I know more than I could have hoped to know (thanks in great part to OffG) owing to my digital link to others. But the irony is that the most frightful plans for our futures, referenced by Curtin, would not be possible without that digital world.

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 17, 2020 11:01 PM
Reply to  nondimenticare

Problem is, how much of the truth you have found about JFK at Al. is not just limited hangout.

I know, I take what they give us and triangulate, and Intuit, and shake and bake, but the fact is they litter the landscape with endless red herring.

I was at an ROTC school in N. Hollywood in my teens and though I never spoke to him, he was a star student and asked to give a number of talks.

He’s become a world expert on “true” JFK and as a publisher, or editor, is a major gatekeeper for, wow, most of the anti-Warren Conspiracy Realists.

I remember making a note on him at 16 years old that I really didn’t trust his vibe. He edited our school mag, so I started an underground, very successful, til they kicked us both out in June 1969. My dismiss was real, but
I often mused that they were crafting a legend for him, like LHO. I’m dammed if I can prove he’s real.

That was all fifty years ago, but he almost rules the roost of the Oliver Stone side of things. He could all be smoke and mirrors. Our school was a hotbed, as a rich rich Army school, of future CIA. How could he advance so well against the CIA without them putting more of a drag.

Reminds me of most of these former spooks turned whistleblowers. None of them could be so real. None.

He wrote “The Devil’s Chessboard” about Allen Dulles being the party who killed JFK.

But he was only a puppet. I believe the Kennedy’s were hit because they were putting down solid wonderful diplomatic roots with the Vatican, and going through the Pope via the Kremlin to walk the world back from Nuclear Holocaust.

But that alone is enough to put ANYONE on the Hit Parade if the Freemasons, who are sworn to the death to destroy as much of Catholicism as they possibly can, just read the history of the CRISTERO WAR in Mexico 95 years ago. The Mexican lodges of the Scottish Rite Freemasons gave President Plutarco Called a shining medal for his “work against the Catholic Church” in Mexico (work that got 100,000 people murdered in what Graham Greene called “the fiercest persecution of religion since Elizabeth”)

Binra
Binra
May 18, 2020 1:02 PM
Reply to  nondimenticare

Truth is not really out there but where your inherence and out-there-ance meet.
Struggling to become is backwards but until we pause from futility it seems like the carrot can be reached or the stick escaped.

The outer focus is in process of attempt to replicate a control model of the inherent. To substitute a control system for life as an expression of victory or escape.
This is both mining insight for control while denying the truth of knowing and being known.

We are generally unaware of our own part in the ‘control agenda’ – not least from our capacity to fixate in perceptions of guilt and fear set in a cast of our own projections assigned or taken for the living.

Yes the lockdown itself could only be workable with the internet.
But I see an already patterning of self-separating consciousness replicating itself as an externalised extension with its own ‘virtual identities’.

Resonant recognitions within living patterns are the nature of consciousness – while structures derived from this either support life or are released.

Note that the ego grabs what it thinks to possess and control and junks the rest.
But junk DNA turns out to be where the action is. Junk bacteria turn out to be our life support system and nothinged of Dark fudged ‘Space’ reveals itself as self-organising patterning of plasma that operates along qualities of resonant frequency domains whose quantised expression make up a minute percent of the physical universe that we call matter and assign to the laws of thermodynamics.

So the good news is the capacity to recognise a mistake or dead end or diversionary ploy and no longer operative. This leaves us free to ask true questions and take the journey of them.
To merely acquire information or narratives of identity is not growing character.

Watch your thoughts; they become words.
Watch your words; they become actions.
Watch your actions; they become habits.
Watch your habits; they become character.
Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
Lao Tzu

This applies no matter what the situation.
Can a dying man accept truth?
What we make of life or truth or love – is not what it is – but will determine how we experience.
Perhaps fear and deceit operate a role by which to engage in a ‘special love’, or proprietary ‘truth’ and a threatened and driven ‘life’?
If there is a profound recognition that this is not my heart’s desire, then I am free to re-align in what is – as the active willingness to engage it. Where you give attention is your choice. By this you create value and share it.
If you opened to hidden histories it is because your were ready to look and learn. But merely uncovering deceit is not in itself waking up – if leading always to deeper or more complex rabbit holes.
If control of the present is control of the past by means of imposing a substitute for presence into a future like the past, then releasing control of the present to an already moving presence allows an expansion of presence as life made new – that is free to draw on the past and future as a current appreciation or endeavour instead of being a blind product of a past made in fear and deceit.
Regardless the dark actors or agencies, I choose to align in truth we do not manufacture, cannot weapononise, marketise or war over, one day at a time and in a sense one moment at a time. What is truth if it does not release us of our illusions?

dil pickles
dil pickles
May 17, 2020 7:55 PM

Shit eff and other expletives
Beautifully put.
We are so many of us terrified of aloneness.
Loneliness is the name we give to the feeling we have when we are scared of aloneness.
Aloneness, when apprehended and experienced with brave abandon, may yield a new person, or a person where there was not one before?

BobWelham
BobWelham
May 18, 2020 10:16 AM
Reply to  dil pickles

I find the teachings of J Krishnamurti to be very clear and accurate on the state of mind that we call loneliness. The internet is the most effective general technology yet invented for our distraction and the avoidance of existential reality. Soon full virtual reality will be commonplace. Individual connection to a global AI controlled grid by brain implant is envisioned and promoted by researchers in Silicon Valley. We are entering potentially transformational times. What sort of world do we want for our children and grandchildren?

bob
bob
May 17, 2020 7:37 PM

no explanation necessary

IANA
IANA
May 17, 2020 8:40 PM
Reply to  bob

Very brave women and a fantastic speech. She nailed it. Interesting that the bell chimed just as she mentioned ‘Bilderberg’. Coincidence?

when not if
when not if
May 17, 2020 7:36 PM

10 years at the helm of Google and currently a chair of the US Department of Defense’s Defense Innovation Advisory Board, Eric Schimdt stated that Google does not cross the creepy line in their use of our personal information. The Creepy Line is the point where people are pushed into madness. While Schmidt is saying Google does not cross the creepy line, it is an admission that Google, glaringly, is constantly placing people at the edge of a thin line near insanity.

No wonder, people are feeling insane as they are indeed constantly driven into madness by an ever creepy algorithm. An algorithm that is impossible to quit as many people’s livelihood depends on.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
May 17, 2020 7:34 PM

The news( propaganda) was on paper before the internet.
The internet has made the crazy louder as every mad bugger can get their ideas propagated.

The ideas desired by the occult mind controllers get made” viral” through monopoly search engine + ” social media”( internet news).
The internet did not make people mad, who was mad was crazy before internet they are just making more noise the ego minds love creating false images of themselves and the internet is the petri dish for a new fake identity.One that is better than others, one that totally identifys with thoughts and fights to defend them as though it is their very selves they are defending.
If we do not know who we are and so are run by the egomind (conditioned)we are skitzofr3nic .
You don’t have to give up the internet, you can use it to do what you need to do.

But in saying that most people are addicted to internet, computers and phones and are on it to try to build their egos 24/7 twitters.
Screen free days are a good idea as are news/propaganda free days/weeks/years .

when not if
when not if
May 17, 2020 7:16 PM

Exactly my thoughts, from the start [of the article] to finish. Thanks Edward Curtin!

Has the Internet and the devices to access it made your life better or worse?

Each device makes certain tasks better and easier … However … all the devices and tasks combined are making life worse and much more difficult. It is negative synergy that in the wrong hands can become destructive.

Insanity is not only becoming the new normal, it is fast becoming celebrated and rewarded.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 17, 2020 7:05 PM

But how can you leave out Marshall MacLuhan?

The Medium Is The Message.

I ask myself this question, and now I ask you. Has the Internet and the devices to access it made your life better or worse? Has it made the life of humanity better or worse? Has its essential role in globalization made for a better world?

Since Edward asks, my opinion is that it has made life of humanity better.

Now the message can be resisted.

From and by anyone willing to RESIST.

¡No Pasaran!

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 17, 2020 7:48 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Dungroanin,

About time you woke up, and recognised, and maybe even began to understand, why hardly anyone wants to go back to work, whilst I want to write again on Facebook

GET BACK TO WORK …you lazy sods…

As you can imagine, that did not go down too well, so I have kept quiet. I started off with -well we were all still going down the pub, and hugging and kissing (like we do) – and I looked at the numbers… Far less people had died than normal. This would not go down too well now, either. Not everyone shares my sense of humour, and reality, so I have banned myself from social media. I do not yet know how to unbrainwash brainwashed people, but I am working on a few ideas, and kind of testing them a bit, socially. No one has given me a hard time yet. I always try to be helpful and friendly.

“Monty Python and the Holy Grail: Bring Out Your Dead”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcbR1J_4ICg

Tony

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 17, 2020 9:15 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Compo you never replied!
Now I understand

I have banned myself from social media.

Yeah… don’t think you’ve quite thought that through – you are using it!

As i say (or McLuhan did) “The Medium is the message’

The medium is the internet not any particular flavour of it.

But I don’t need to tell you that surely?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 17, 2020 9:48 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Dungroanin,

Stop trying to be clever, whilst I do like you – I still don’t know if you are a boy or a girl. Dunno about you, but mine still works.

Tony

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 18, 2020 9:17 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

That’s the trouble with BS’ers – they think they are scoring with the hottest chick until they pay up and end up with a katoi. But they still go through with deal cause they’ve paid their money and taken their blue pill!

I don’t need to ‘try’ Compo.

Or as one of my favourite song lyrics informs :

“You start a conversation, you can’t even finish it”.

‘Run run…run, run away’

Enjoy the last of the summer whine – it ain’t coming back.
😎😎😎

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 18, 2020 4:15 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

“I have banned myself from social media.”

So what do you call the Off-Guardian and other BTLs? Antisocial media?

bob
bob
May 17, 2020 8:21 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

what, thisMarshall MacLuhan?

check out the Glasgow Media Group – their media work is exemplary

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 17, 2020 9:10 PM
Reply to  bob

Oi cant spellz 😉

Herbert Marshall McLuhan CC was a Canadian philosopher. His work is one of the cornerstones of the study of media theory.

breweriana
breweriana
May 18, 2020 2:05 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

“His work is one of the cornerstones of the study of

    media theory

.”
So an ‘expert’ in bullshit – just like you.

Coronacrap
Coronacrap
May 19, 2020 8:00 PM
Reply to  bob

A key scene. Funny thing about Allen is his ability to make his own ridiculousness the subject of his humour. Everyone thinks they’re right. It’s pointless to go along with this background noise. In the sea of opinions many waves roll. We get upset about pettiness and let it rob us of our peace of mind.

This is a wonderful opportunity to practice composure and self-control. Allen is already a victim of his “opponent”. No, he should have turned around with a smile and confirmed the braggart ironically, and in such a flattering way that there can be no doubt about the irony.

Coronacrap
Coronacrap
May 19, 2020 8:19 PM
Reply to  Coronacrap

“You’re always right. Without exception. The little problem is: so are the others.” Only petty people insult others. When your neighbour says, “You bought that big car just to show off!” Never make the mistake of justifying yourself: “I worked harder than you!”

But let it pass. With this you show that you don’t let yourself get upset by provocation. Smile and say: “I love showing off with big cars!” This annoys the bully, his negative energy was dodged, it was turned against him and he was exposed as ridiculous.

People believe that they “have to answer questions generally”.
Although their private life is none of other people’s business.

Coronacrap
Coronacrap
May 19, 2020 9:02 PM
Reply to  bob

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tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 17, 2020 6:58 PM

I am 66. I have kept the child alive inside my mind, by reading books – of all kinds. We didn’t have a lot of money, but my Mum gradually weaned me off The Beano and Dandy, by every week, buying Mind Alive – it was a magazine, that you could compile into an encyclopedia. (Still in my attic)

Even when thrown into the deep end many years later, and being introduced by my new boss, who immediately went off on 2 weeks holiday – to my new team, I told them truth. I couldn’t bullshit this…

They slung me a book

“UNIX 101 for Dummies”

We got on really well.

I learn from clever people. I do not tell them how to do it, when I have not got a clue, or they won’t tell me or show me anything, and we will not be a team.

Asking questions is good, even if you think, they might think, you didn’t quite understand.

Tony

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 17, 2020 7:14 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Re: Mind Alive – it was a magazine, that you could compile into an encyclopedia. (Still in my attic)

Try looking up words which have now become commonplace, such as “autism”. You can do the same with old dictionaries.

1988: Introducing autism to the general public

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 18, 2020 1:42 AM

Lost in a dark wood,

Wow. not seen that, since it first came out 1988?

I was with my girl, and got over it in the summer of 1985, which I admit I enjoyed.

They never admitted me, nor put me in a straight jacket, nor gave me ECT (Electro Convulsive Therapy – which to be fair worked really well on my Dad, releasing his mind of some of the stuff he did in WWII, and before) It had made him rather depressed, but he was such a good man, when he tried to drown himself just above the Weir at Mapledurham Lock…This little guy who could swim like a fish, jumped in to save my Dad. He grabbed hold of him from behind – and said Kick you F’cker – Swim..or we will both be dead.

Then my Mum, jumped off the boat, and broke her leg.

I was 15, and sat on the boat alone..My Dad was in the nuthouse, and my Mum was in Battle Hospital with a broken leg, and rather upset (as you can imagine)

So this is Easy

My Girl is still here with me. I asked her if she would marry me. She said – Yeh OK.

I would be lost in Dark Wood without her, but she has got so much energy, and is so much fun to live with. She makes our house and garden look so colourful and pretty. She reflects her mind, her spirit and her beauty.

We work hard together in our back garden digging and planting. May even get our tent up first in our back garden if we are not allowed to go wild camping in the countryside with it.

Who are these Stupid People in Control??

Why should anyone give a sh1t if my wife and I want to go camping together. OK we are both over 60.

wtf has it got to do with anyone else you nosy buggers?

“Well we thought we might catch Coroanvirus from you, if you let us in your tent. I said you are already in our tent, but if you want to smoke, you need to go outside”

“Paolo Nutini – Iron Sky [Abbey Road Live Session]”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELKbtFljucQ

Tony

breweriana
breweriana
May 18, 2020 2:12 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

ECT?

Would you repair a microprocessor system by fastening a pair of 10kV prods to each end of it?

So why would any intelligent person think they would be able to repair the most complex thing in the known universe, the human brain, using that ‘method’.
Barbarism.
Akin to ‘bleeding’ and ‘leeches’.

Your relative recovered in spite of it, not because of it.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 18, 2020 6:10 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Thanks Tony for the comment and the link. I’ve been doing this for well over a decade and although I’ve been through the Dante like experience, I’m now no longer anywhere near as “lost” as I once was. Part of that experience included the realisation that I am myself autistic; and hence the interest in the area.

When I was at school during the 1970s nobody ever used the term “autism” and it wasn’t until after Rain Man (I’ve still not seen the entire film) that I first heard it used. Now, however, approx 1 in 50 kids are autistic and many are severely affected. That didn’t exist when I was growing up. To get some understanding of what’s going on, I recommend watching both Vaxxed films:

Vaxxed I – From Cover-Up to Catastrophe (2016)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/K7upxskYEU0e/

Vaxxed II: The People’s Truth
https://www.bitchute.com/video/o8rp84H5NZFi/

Waldorf
Waldorf
May 18, 2020 7:22 PM

I am skeptical about autism, especially when referred to as a spectrum – it seems to be a catch-all classification for the socially awkward.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 18, 2020 7:35 PM
Reply to  Waldorf

I think there are a variety of autisms and that in many cases autistic behaviour is a symptom of some other condition. My knowledge in the latter area is only superficial, but if I had a child who had vaccine-induced autism, I would look seriously at possible treatments. The most promising ones revolve around treating the gut biome.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 18, 2020 7:49 PM
Reply to  Waldorf

Re: the socially awkward.

And at times like this, that’s just what society needs.

Waldorf
Waldorf
May 19, 2020 5:44 PM

Yes, though in tyrannies the prisons and concentration camps are full of the “socially awkward”.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 19, 2020 9:17 PM
Reply to  Waldorf

The most ubiquitous tyranny over the last two centuries has been medical fascism. The socially awkward therefore tend to get committed to psychiatric institutions; for there own health and protection, of course.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
May 17, 2020 9:30 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

It’s Erik Satie’s birthday today. He said: “I came into this world very young.. at a very old time”… also.. “Although our information is incorrect, we do not vouch for it”… that rings a few bells.

Dennis Brown
Dennis Brown
May 17, 2020 6:41 PM

This is a very thought provoking article by Mr. Curtin , which should be widely shared!!! And once again a sterling example of the quality of the Off Guardian website.

I’d only add that we should pause to consider that technology–per se–is not necessarily evil in itself. Rather it is the social relations that lurk behind the use of technology that can pose a potential threat to human well being.

For those not frightened by the name of Karl Marx it is worth noting that he addressed many of Mr. Curtin’s concerns in Das Kapital 150 years ago.

In Vol One of Capital, in a fairly obscure footnote, Marx made a passing reference to how he personally viewed his intellectual quest. It was , indeed,to write the social history of the evolution of technology. He equated his goal to being similar to that of Sir Charles Darwin’s history of natural life, In the Origin of Species.

To wit, Marx observed that technology is an extension of all human activity and therefore all human relationships. Technology shapes and conditions what we do , where we live ,how we live , how we treat one another, how we treat the earth etc. It is those social relationships that in turn determine whether technology can be judged either “good” or “bad” .

Societies and economies that are organized capitalistically–i.e. for the production of commodities for exchange value and private profit, as opposed to use values and common social well being—are by definition based on exploitation , planetary destruction,social domination and control.

The world is on the cusp of an unprecedented epochal paradigm shift, as so many of the intelligent commentators on this site have already noted. We can respond to this fact and relentlessly inquire as to why that might be so. Or we can accept the narrative of the dominant elites that this is an unprecedented biological event and that are leaders, with their superior wisdom are simply trying to protect us—and that the suppression of basic liberties, free speech and the destruction of the livelihoods of ordinary people is all regrettable but unavoidably necessary.

Or we can do as Marx suggested and we can follow the money and see where it leads. We can note that under the smokescreen of this “pandemic emergency” that trillions of dollars are being transferred by the State to the One Percent. We can also note that large sections of the global workforce will be permanently rendered redundant,and be ultimately replaced by artificial intelligence and robotics in order to squeeze the last dregs of surplus value from what remains of the working class . All predicted in Volume one of Capital, and awaiting re-interpretation by those of us willing to take up the challenge in the contemporary context.

But there is a structural contradiction in all of this. If billions of people are marginalized from the workforce where will effective demand come from to buy all the junk the Capitalists produce?This is an issue Marx wrestled with incompletely in Vol 2 of Capital. Ironically,the elites need us as consumers , yet strive to eliminate us as workers in order to reduce labour costs and enhance profits.

That seems to me to be the central dilemma of our age. And that big transformative struggle is now being being played out under the convenient guise of the pandemic.

Their answer to the contradiction appears to be a form of cynical ,and ultimately penurious, form of”universal basic income.” Best administered through a cashless, authoritarian cybernetic matrix. This prospect would be another example of Mr. Curtin’s metaphor of cheese in a mousetrap. Once we fall for it there will be no escape!

Seems to me our only hope, and sadly it is a distant one, is to keep our eyes wide open and challenge in every way possible the Covid-19 pych-op. The truth in this regard is very rapidly emerging!!!

Beyond that we need to use this traumatizing event to question what kind of a society we wish to live in. One that is based on ever increasing exploitation, misery, and environmental degradation to benefit the profit seeking gluttony of a tiny minority replete with an arsenal of financial, technological, and military tools? Or one based on a sustainable economy focused on human need , meaningful employment for all,and the production use values instead of exchange value, within a democratic consensus .

(I know that I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one!)

TrueNorth
TrueNorth
May 17, 2020 9:28 PM
Reply to  Dennis Brown

Good comment. I like to analyze and understand the evolution of technology and how it is shaping how we live. Technology has become an extension of ourselves. Currently, technological advances are made by a small number of people who embue the products with their own values and ideas born from their very narrow human experience. For example, people who are submerged in the digital world might not appreciate the importance of diversity in the natural environment or diversity of cultural heritage simply because they have never experienced, and thus would not reflect any of it in their digital creations. Technological advances are accelerating and are irreversible. The problem is that they are in the control of the few and incomprehensible to majority of others who lack the tools to assess the quality and value of these changes to the future of our civilization. In order to avoid the technology replacing humans in the near future, majority of people need to get up to speed with it and steer the direction of innovation toward the greater good that would benefit this world.

Counter Economist
Counter Economist
May 18, 2020 12:32 PM
Reply to  TrueNorth

You’ve got to accept that as it stands we’re going to pushed into this post human paradigm, its got too much momentum and 99% of society is too brainwashed to resist. I do hear encouraging things in a US research study that 30% of Americans do not want a CV19 vaccine, but that will change once Pandemic 2 and bio-terrorist threats are engineered.

The best response is to create a parallel reality to the one they’re trying to nudge us into, known as the Fourth World or Fourth Industrial Revolution. Resistance to this needs to come in three forms, an overground public version, an underground private version and finally an action force that never engages directly, only at the precise moment when the conditions are right to have maximum impact.

What that action is I don’t know yet, but all I will suggest is decentralized networks will be a critical component that are not connected to the vast AI powered electronic control grid they are building right now.

Its going to take years for this to form, but since they’re working on completion of the fourth world by 2030 then we should aim to have a resistance fully in place and organised by then too.

TrueNorth
TrueNorth
May 18, 2020 3:32 PM

It would have to include AI as well. A counter-AI.

Counter Economist
Counter Economist
May 18, 2020 5:06 PM
Reply to  TrueNorth

Yes I’ve also considered that too, a counter AI has to be part of it. The most important thing we can do right now is try to limit the mental health damage of family and friends and locate resources that enable us to coordinate in decentralized groups. There is no point fighting at the moment, we need to regroup, become self sustained and stronger.

We need to use their own resources against them. Its really interesting but if you read their scenario plans you will see what they are afraid of above everything else and is losing control of technology and the decentralization of society.

Those two things should form the basis for the fightback.

Watt
Watt
Jun 8, 2020 11:42 PM

And, if poss, to bypass electronic communication if required.

Arty Grrrr My
Arty Grrrr My
May 18, 2020 4:20 PM
Reply to  TrueNorth

1) Easter Island
2) Avatar (i.e. haha you need technology to survive – I don’t.)
3) “They’re building the architecture of oppression.” – Edward Snowden)

Arty Grrrr My
Arty Grrrr My
May 18, 2020 4:15 PM
Reply to  Dennis Brown

“They’re building the architecture of oppression.” – Edward Snowden

wardropper
wardropper
May 17, 2020 6:28 PM

A marvellous article, which covers all the essential aspects of why actual human beings, along with their irrefutable experiences, are suffering in today’s world. It is the author’s broad, sweeping strokes which convince, and not the latest mainstream-media CoVid statistics which prove beyond a shadow of doubt that I died two months ago, because, yes, the virus is really THAT deadly…

Watt
Watt
Jun 8, 2020 11:52 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Correct. ‘Living’ is the new dead.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 17, 2020 6:20 PM

I know we are making progress. I even chatted to my next door neighbour today…How big is your shed? I said, well I can’t remember the numbers, (but whilst cleaning out our rainwater water barrel), I said I think I know where the plans are for my shed (built about 5 years ago – the builders needed access to her garden, and she was really nice about it). I really recommend them, and passed her the plans and final invoice )she must have looked and thought bloody hell that was cheap whilst wearing her rubber gloves, also digging the back garden – which I found very impressive. We did not talk politics, nor COVID, but when they lock themselves out, they come round. Have you got our spare key…and we haven’t, I do my best, cough cough, – to get them back in to their own home. They are lovely people too.

It is really easy to grow potatoes and tomatoes, but my wife’s Spinach from last year, never stopped, even in midwinter.

Most peoples minds, have been scrambled, by the incessant propaganda

It is not easy to unscramble an egg, but we are making progress.

Check out the Italian MP.

Sara Cunial

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Cunial

She is awesome.

Tony

breweriana
breweriana
May 17, 2020 6:42 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony,
Another good year-rounder is Curly Kale. And it’s dead easy to grow.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 9, 2020 4:03 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Iceland’s top mainstream newpaper has just carried a big article outlining the “ authorities’ ” illegal abuse of power and the unjustifiable creation of unprecedented quarantine regulations without any constitutional basis. The reliance upon the arbitrary personal views of politicians rather than impartial scientists is also severely criticized. We are definitely making progress, although Iceland never went into total panic mode in the first place. I follow the money, and I don’t like where it leads at all, but it looks as if people don’t like being taken for total fools either, even if they are sometimes a bit slow realizing it…

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 9, 2020 4:51 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

We are indeed making progress. Iceland’s top mainstream paper has published an article on the unconstitutional, illegal and arbitrary imposition of quarantine regulations world-wide, often on the whims of polititians who have no objective scientific backup or personal expertise. And Iceland has never even accepted the total panic response in any case…

ame
ame
May 17, 2020 5:18 PM

BREAKING NEWS or is it
UK to invest up to 93 million pounds in new coronavirus vaccine center
By REUTERS MAY 17, 2020
The British government will invest up to 93 million pounds ($112 million) to accelerate construction of a new vaccines center, the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy said on Saturday.
The funding will ensure the new center opens in Summer 2021, a year ahead of schedule, the department said.The Vaccines Manufacturing and Innovation Centre (VMIC), which is currently under construction, is a key component of the government’s program to ensure that once a coronavirus vaccine is available it can be rolled out quickly in mass quantities, the department said.
https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/UK-to-invest-up-to-93-million-pounds-in-new-coronavirus-vaccine-center-628282

Grafter
Grafter
May 17, 2020 5:59 PM
Reply to  ame

Oh good Billy Gates will be pleased. I would expect him and his family along with the buffoon Professor Ferguson to be front of the queue. As for myself you can gtf.

when not if
when not if
May 17, 2020 7:47 PM
Reply to  ame

“UK to invest up to 93 million pounds in new coronavirus vaccine center”

The UK is also investing to train dogs to detect the new coronavirus in people. As the UK is obsessed about austerity, they could do well in combining the two investments together and train dogs to sniff the disease and deliver the vaccine at the same time. This fits the obnoxious ruling elites’ ideologies perfectly.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 9, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  ame

You can see why they’re in such a hurry to vaccinate a year ahead of schedule. After a year, nobody would be sick with CoVid in any case…

IANA
IANA
May 17, 2020 5:01 PM

O/t but interesting article in the mail questioning just who is running the govt lockdown policy.

Boris had to ask Sir Mark Sedwill about ‘who is in charge’ of the policy and re-iterated what seemed apparent when Boris was forced to u-turn over govt’s initial policy response.

From that moment on he unfortunately was ‘removed’ due to his having caught cv19 not returning until well after the lockdown was in full swing. It seems from his question it is clear he doesn’t think he is in charge which is enlightening about who really runs the UK. Very helpful of Sir Mark to defer in this situation that its he in fact who is in charge. Just in time for any fallout that may result from all the questions being raised by another guy who has fallen foul of the inner circle – Neil Ferguson.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8327655/Boris-Johnson-UKs-senior-civil-servant-Sir-Mark-Sedwill-clash-route-lockdown.html

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 17, 2020 6:03 PM
Reply to  IANA

Sedwill seems to be running the show. Boris’ question was in sarcastic frustration.
https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2020/05/17/the-sunday-essay-sir-mark-his-minions-the-shadow-state-now-in-control-of-britain/

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 17, 2020 6:29 PM
Reply to  IANA

Not OT at all. Extremely, extremely central to what’s happening. The Mail’s version is the only authorized one

bob
bob
May 17, 2020 4:52 PM

I’m sorry, yet another boring link to read this time about the british rothschild biowarefare conspiracy

https://aim4truth.org/2020/05/07/the-british-rothschild-biowarfare-conspiracy/

wouldn’t it be nice if we didn’t have to do this andwe were free again?

also, i must recommend the Lionel Shriver interview on spiked – well worth an hour of your time

END THE LOCKDOWN NOW -IT IS INHUMAN AND DEHUMANISING

Howard
Howard
May 17, 2020 3:53 PM

The internet does one thing perhaps better than anything else – and far better than the “real” world surrounding us: it shows us the fleetingness of permanence. In the old days, if you saw a book or a record or anything else you wanted, your biggest worry was that it would be gone by the time you were able to acquire it – that someone else will have beat you to it. There is no such worry on the internet.

There’s no danger, for instance, that someone else might beat me to this article and I might miss the chance to read it. It is ensconced in a veneer of permanence. Yet it and every single trace of it could completely vanish in a heartbeat should the internet itself suddenly go off grid. We depend on the internet to be there; the corollary being that we exist in a perpetual state of anxiety lest we lose everything we cherish.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 17, 2020 4:40 PM
Reply to  Howard

Its also good at reinforcing ignorance and fear.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
May 17, 2020 7:49 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

It is us that have become good at ignorance and fear through practice.
We can’t blame the internet for what we have done.

The internet would be neutral, could be used for ” good or bad” ( if it weren’t for the censorship, privacy violations and monopoly search engine). Thats why agent Assange is MSM hero celeb poster boy for our “internet freedom”( haha )and CIA’s whisleblower damage control trap “wikileaks”.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 17, 2020 5:09 PM
Reply to  Howard

Howard, Whilst I kind of agree with you, I am an old person, who likes old, well crafted, beautiful original things. I was extremely upset, when my favourite coffee mug, which I had loved, and which had served me well for many years lay broken on the ground. I have been searching for an identical replacement for 18 months, and I am almost certain I have found it. Yes, it was expensive, nearly £18 including delivery. Hopefully, it will turn up this week in one piece, if it survives being mangled through the delivery machine. I may be a sentimental old sod, but I really like my beautiful coffee mug. It really brightens things up in the morning, especially after a heavy one the night before.

“HUMBLE PIE Black Coffee 1973”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tNoSmlnxwQ&feature=youtu.be&t=38

Tony

Howard
Howard
May 18, 2020 3:51 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

At the risk of sounding facetious, I’m of the same old school. When I come upon something I really really like, I’ll set it aside for just the perfect occasion. I have had, over the years, shirts which I liked so much and kept in reserve so long for an occasion worthy of them that they became hopelessly outdated and I ended up getting rid of them without ever having worn them. (Were I an Astrologer, I would say that’s because I have the sign Cancer on the ascendant and the moon in the second house.)

Some might say one should not love possessions. But they don’t understand that there are those who regard things they cherish as beings which must be protected. If I must part with something, it’s easier for me to throw it out than to give it away.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
May 17, 2020 7:39 PM
Reply to  Howard

Learnt impermanence from the internet , thats something I have never considered.
What we truly cherish we can never loose.

Howard
Howard
May 18, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

Actually, we can be made to loose everything we cherish – or soon will be, once “they” flatten all the curvy bugs in their super-surveillance system to enable the surveillance state to get inside our minds and, once inside, to muck about at will. And given the state’s penchant for screwing up everything it touches, we can all rest assured that once inside our minds, a lifetime our of sorting and saving precious memories will be – well, just a memory.

Ort
Ort
May 17, 2020 8:03 PM
Reply to  Howard

I take your point, I think, but I also see a contradiction: it seems that you’re actually saying that the Internet is an exception, or antidote, to the “fleetingness of permanence”– that it’s like a vast, expanding, unbounded block of amber that traps all of its content for eternity, just as ancient sap flows trapped prehistoric insects.

Also, the “permanence” depends on how one punctuates Internet experience. It’s true that virtual content is a “gift that keeps on giving”, insofar as an infinite number of users can access a given item without depleting or exhausting it.

But there are devils in these details: links famously “die”, i.e. are broken and useless when the target site becomes defunct; searching for elusive items can be labor-intensive, frustrating, and fruitless. It’s for the “web” to know, and the hapless user to find out.

And “improved” website bells and whistles exemplify Virilio’s “void of the quick” cited in the essay. I know I’m a dinosaur (age 65), but I became incensed and outraged when animated features became standard web page “eyeball grabbers” several years ago. I don’t know the technical nomenclature, but I’m referring to, say, news sites that display a panel of “top stories” that continuously change in rotating slide-show fashion.

This deliberate virtual buzzing, blooming confusion celebrates the ephemeral; if one is not quick enough on the draw, an item of interest vanishes before one’s eyes. The standard logical rebuttal is to assert “Aha! But if the user is patient, that item of interest will reappear momentarily– or alternatively, can easily be recovered.”

But my experience says otherwise. I’ve often navigated away from a page, suddenly reconsidered and returned to pursue a featured item within seconds or minutes, and discovered that it is no longer there. Something new has replaced it.

FWIW, YouTube is particularly vexing in this regard; it stuffs my home page with unwanted “recommendations”; if I leave the page and return, or even refresh it, the page is involuntarily “updated” by the relentless YT algorithms. Worse yet, I have even done searches for a video I’d just seen and “lost”, but even using keywords fails to retrieve it.

And then there are “innovations” like infinite page scrolling, or whatever it’s called– pointlessly turning discrete pages into one “bottomless page” that is overwhelming. I have no doubt that these innovations are all imposed for some nefarious self-serving purpose, probably commercial– either variations of “clickbait” or making the page more suitable to hand-held devices like smartphones.

So the Internet’s “permanence”, such as it is, exists within a maddening perpetual kaleidoscopic flux.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 18, 2020 1:53 AM
Reply to  Ort

‘I don’t know the technical nomenclature, but I’m referring to, say, news sites that display a panel of “top stories” that continuously change in rotating slide-show fashion.’

Try “shite“.

Ort
Ort
May 18, 2020 2:50 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Well, I was thinking that they’re like crib mobiles suspended over infants, but you’re right– I should’ve been thinking inside the diaper.

Howard
Howard
May 18, 2020 3:29 PM
Reply to  Ort

The illusion of permanence is the internet’s primary – perhaps its only – strong suit. Ironically, the idiotic algorithms gone wild censoring right and left is quickly rendering that illusion what might be called sub-illusory. I would hazard a guess that in time people in droves will turn away from the internet altogether as a source of information because they will see how untrustworthy it actually is.

Right now, the internet has two distinct drivers: 1) it’s entertainment; 2) I’ve stumbled upon something I agree with. If one agrees with things not acceptable to the status quo – and why would anyone search the web at all if they’re already in agreement with official narratives? – one can fully expect those things to disappear. So one will be forced to look elsewhere.

(As a side note, I recognize your name from Truthdig’s comment section. I mention this because there is no better example of the internet’s illusion of permanence than Truthdig. Here yesterday, gone today. Since most of us were seeking articles by Chris Hedges, and since any other Hedges presence is via videos, we are left with nothing we can carry away from the “encounter.”)

Ort
Ort
May 18, 2020 10:27 PM
Reply to  Howard

Yes, Truthdig popped like a soap bubble; a few preliminary quivers and “poof”, it’s gone. The site is still up, so I wonder if its “hiatus” is a cover for being sold to new management.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 17, 2020 3:21 PM

All a frightful mistake, old boy. No-one thought to check Ferguson’s numbers. The Daily Telegraph and The Daily Mail are both railing against Ferguson’s broken adding machine.

Mi6, oath/motto “Semper Occultus”, employer of Alastair Crowley, public budget GBP 3 billion, black budget unknown… simply didn’t think to check Neil Ferguson’s software or see how he was calculating his projection of deaths by Covid-19.

Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) which employs hundreds of software development engineers, security and public safety specialists, IT operations specialists, mathematicians, and even medical technicians with a declared budget of GBP 1.7 forgot to put anyone on the case.

The BBC has a declared budget of GBP 3.7 billion (but that’s just the license fee. Total budget is closer to 5 billion) and has 22,000 staff. None of them thought to ask how Neil Ferguson was arriving at his numbers.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 17, 2020 3:42 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The Mi5 Guardian has already seeded the Ether with the idea that Neil Ferguson’s fate could cross paths with that of Dr David Kelly, the weapons scientist found dead in suspicious circumstances in 2003. All to be blamed on “sceptics”, of course.

Published a week ago but I haven’t seen it discussed yet: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/06/neil-ferguson-scientists-media-government-adviser-social-distancing

“A similar ordeal apparently caused Dr David Kelly to take his own life after the biological weapons expert was hounded for revealing that the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction had been exaggerated by Tony Blair’s government.

[Scientists] are regularly attacked by many of the British media commentators who are currently joining the pile-on to Ferguson.”

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 17, 2020 4:27 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I just looked at the background of the author of the piece you linked:

“Bob Ward is policy director at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics”

That’s all I needed to know!

How is it that the average Guardian reader can’t smell the bullshit?

wardropper
wardropper
May 17, 2020 6:35 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Because today’s Guardian readers are not average people. The once-decent paper has lost the plot, so, naturally, its readers are mentally at risk.

Waldorf
Waldorf
May 17, 2020 8:40 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Are they below average or above average? They could be very clever but insane.

wardropper
wardropper
May 18, 2020 12:59 AM
Reply to  Waldorf

I’d say they have lost their focus. Perhaps like somebody with a good brain, but handicapped by terrible eyesight, hearing, sense of smell, taste and touch. But they can talk…

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 18, 2020 3:45 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

“How is it that the average Guardian reader can’t smell the bullshit?”

Same reason the average Off-Guardian reader can’t smell the dumbshit.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 22, 2020 5:50 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

If not the Denialist Cult’s Genesis tale, that being tobacco harm denial, then anthropogenic climate destabilisation denialism is probably the Expulsion from the Garden, thanks to the serpent of scientific knowledge.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 17, 2020 4:24 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The software issue is relevant to a degree, but it’s still a case of “garbage in”, “garbage out”.

And it’s still guessing …

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 18, 2020 3:20 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

“The software issue is relevant to a degree,”

Yes. The degree of NOT.

‘but it’s still a case of “garbage in”, “garbage out”.’

No. Not if there was full disclosure, which there was, including a complete and fully transparent description of the degree to which the Imperial College researchers incorporated into their model any quantified consideration of the potential adverse social impact an unmodified implementation of their analyses could have, namely:

We do not consider the wider social and economic costs of suppression, which will be high and may be disproportionately so in lower income settings. Moreover, suppression strategies will need to be maintained in some manner until vaccines or effective treatments become available to avoid the risk of later epidemics. Our analysis highlights the challenging decisions faced by all governments in the coming weeks and months, but demonstrates the extent to which rapid, decisive and collective action now could save millions of lives [Emphases added]

none. Because that was not their role.

“And it’s still guessing …”

Extrapolation is a statistical technique aimed at inferring the unknown from the known. It attempts to predict future data by relying on historical data, such as estimating the size of a population a few years in the future on the basis of the current population size and its rate of growth.

Extrapolation may be valid where the present circumstances give no indication of any interruption in long-established past trends. However, a straight-line extrapolation (assuming a short-term trend is to continue far into the future) is fraught with risk because some unforeseeable factors almost always intervene. [Emphases added]

Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future. — attributed to Niels Bohr

That is the same Niels Bohr who is reputed to have told Einstein to stop telling God what to do with His dice.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 18, 2020 3:34 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

I accidentally omitted linking the relevant document. Herewith:

“…if there was full disclosure, which there was…”

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 17, 2020 5:18 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Due diligence is a well established concept. The incompetent failure to do due diligence may be a criminal offence (e.g. manslaughter). The calculated failure to do due diligence is complicity (e.g. treason, crimes against humanity, etc).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_diligence

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 17, 2020 8:47 PM

As a basis in crimimal law or tort, yes and yes.

Here it looks like Willful Negligence, a million counts.

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 17, 2020 8:43 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Hear ye, hear ye! And let it be known. I posted upstream, with time.stamps abundant, that as the news broke that Professor Lockdown had caught his projection in the wringer, it was the first domino that would bring down all the others, of this pathetic planetarylockdown.

As it begins to throb more and more and stick out like a sore, well, you know, that grim sight will be noticed by more and more outlets around the globe, no matter the CYA.

Now that’s a pandemic that we can afford.

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
May 17, 2020 11:51 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

I’d like to agree with you, but there are legions of the faithful. (I’ve spoken to my share.) They neither know nor care to know who Professor Lockdown is or what muddles he and his ilk have created. Harbingers of a dystopian future? Don’t talk nonsense. They simply believe.

T Brites
T Brites
May 17, 2020 3:13 PM

The new Uman Animal

WWW is great for access to information. Of course NOT ALL BRAINS are equipped to navigate the WWW Ocean. Most just use it to publish selfies and moronic comments.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 17, 2020 3:21 PM
Reply to  T Brites

And watch amateur pornography

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 17, 2020 8:53 PM
Reply to  T Brites

Even for those who navigate with greatest dexterity, the triple W’s are fraught with unparalleled peril, which I believe was Mr. Curtin’s main point: the double bind.

Intrinsic to the medium, as eyestrain was to Gutenberg’s first customers.

“The Medium *IS* the Message.” –Marshall McLuhan

pasha
pasha
May 17, 2020 3:06 PM

Crazy? Sure. You only have to look at the American attitude towards the Second Amendment. Millions take it as holy writ to own a private arsenal, despite the actual wording of the amendment which clearly and unequivocally contextualizes it within a relationship to a militia, in an era where standing armies were anathema. Certainly, if you’re a hunter, you might want a hunting rifle–not an AK47, you want to bring down your dinner, not blow it apart. If you’re a farmer, you’d want a shotgun to discourage pests like rabbits, crows and foxes. If you’re a Michigander, you apparently need to walk around with a rocket launcher strapped to your back to proclaim your “freedom” and protest against a government that’s reasonably trying to protect you from an invisible, intangible predator that will attack you unawares if some infected person sneezes as you walk past them.
Yup. Crazy.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 17, 2020 4:20 PM
Reply to  pasha

Yes, I was wondering if corona carriers in the US could argue that they are protected under the second amendment … “concealed carry”

IANA
IANA
May 17, 2020 4:40 PM
Reply to  pasha

The secondment amendment isn’t there for people to go shooting rabbits – it exists as a buttress to the tyranny of govt. Defined for just such times as these.

Jimmi
Jimmi
May 17, 2020 5:47 PM
Reply to  IANA

I’m an American with several guns and find the NRA and its political lobbying program despicable. It’s not about some glorified, patriotic stand against tyranny. It’s about $$$, profits and $$$.

The Michiganders with their militia cosplay antics and hodge-podge of nonsensical “tactical” gear wouldn’t stand a change against a grunt cadets straight out of boot camp. Did you see the pictures? They’re all obese and out of shape. No friend, the gun lobby in America is about money.

IANA
IANA
May 18, 2020 4:40 PM
Reply to  Jimmi

That may be true and I’m not going to defend the NRA as I’m not American but the point was regarding the 2nd amendment and its reason for being. As you no doubt are aware the Supreme Court also upheld the right of individuals to hold and bear arms with the Heller ruling overturning both the DC and Chicago bans on personal weapons in this case handguns so holding weapons isn’t strictly limited to militias.

From what I’ve seen a lot of militia men are veterans so while they may pack some timber they are experienced. You don’t need to be fit to fire an AR15 or an AK and experience can count more than people who lack critical thinking power.

pasha
pasha
May 18, 2020 2:07 PM
Reply to  IANA

Utter unmitigated crap. Read the statute.

IANA
IANA
May 18, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  pasha

I read it thanks and the right to bear arms goes beyond the framing in the 2nd to also grant the right of individuals demonstrated by the overturn of the DC hand gun ban. Rather than just shout abuse next time try to form an argument.

wardropper
wardropper
May 17, 2020 6:41 PM
Reply to  pasha

I was with you until you got to the bit about “a government that’s reasonably trying to protect you from …” It has been a very long time since any government I have seen in the western world reasonably tried to protect me from anything except accurate information, common sense and human decency …

Jimmi
Jimmi
May 17, 2020 6:57 PM
Reply to  wardropper

This is true. It’s also true that the 2A is a smokescreen for profiteers in the gun industry. The fat combat cosplayers in their desert fatigues and goofy jeans wouldn’t stand a chance against basic training grunts. I say this as someone with several guns.

I’d rather root out all stupidity and hypocrisy than focus on one side of the equation. Useful idiots exist on both “sides”.

pasha
pasha
May 18, 2020 2:13 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Scientists might lie if offered enough inducement but most of them do honest work and offer honest advice. Good government tries to implement that advice in a reasonable manner. It’s a shame you can’t distinguish that from the words and deeds of the psychopaths who want to own and control everything. That fact that you cannot is a tribute to the power and accuracy of their propaganda. Wake up ffs.

wardropper
wardropper
May 18, 2020 6:23 PM
Reply to  pasha

Why do you assume that I can’t distinguish one thing from another here? I most certainly can, and the distinction I make is actually the same as your own!
There are many scientists, some of whom have been mentioned here, who even go well beyond what you call “honest work”, and have moreover put their careers on the line in order to offer us precisely the honest advice of which you speak.
I know who fits my own description of the “psychopaths who want to own and control everything”, so I have to wonder who fits your description, given that we seem to have a little disagreement here…

breweriana
breweriana
May 17, 2020 6:53 PM
Reply to  pasha

pasha
“a government that’s reasonably trying to protect you”
How did that work out after the Hurricanes hit?

The 9 scariest words in the English Language:
“I’m from the Government, and I’m here to help.”
– Ronald Reagan.

gordon
gordon
May 17, 2020 2:57 PM

what a sick and twisted perverted bunch we have in dolphin sq and westminster.

meanwhile a real human speaks

Italian Government call for arrest of Bill Gates

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
May 17, 2020 4:52 PM
Reply to  gordon

Wow! I tried to imagine, even for a moment, one of our vaunted “progressive” members of the U.S. Congress speaking even a fraction of this truth publicly before their colleagues and the nation – and my brain hurt from the thought experiment. It could simply NEVER HAPPEN. Our systems of control are simply too seamless here in “the land of the free” to every allow such truth telling publicly.

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 17, 2020 6:33 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

There is no adequate coverage of our protest movements!!

chris
chris
May 17, 2020 5:13 PM
Reply to  gordon

This is not “the Italian Government” speaking, it is Sara Cunial, a member of the 5star party in the Chamber of Deputies.

chris
chris
May 17, 2020 5:27 PM
Reply to  chris

Sorry, I just learned that she was expelled from the party.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 17, 2020 6:18 PM
Reply to  chris

Google trans of wikipedia:
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Cunial

Il 6 gennaio 2018 viene momentaneamente sospesa dal Movimento 5 Stelle in seguito a un post pubblicato su Facebook dove paragona le vaccinazioni a un “genocidio gratuito”. In seguito viene riammessa alle liste ed eletta[6].

On January 6, 2018 she is temporarily suspended by the 5 Star Movement following a post published on Facebook where she compares vaccinations to a “free genocide”. She was later readmitted to the lists and elected [6].

Willem
Willem
May 17, 2020 6:54 PM
Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 17, 2020 8:02 PM
Reply to  Willem

The transcript comes via Great Game India; which is worth checking out imho.

https://greatgameindia.com/

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
May 17, 2020 2:42 PM

Great article , however it only deals with the concerns of a small minority of us who support and buttress the elites against any change to the status quo , a world where 55 million have been born most into horrific poverty, and 25 million have died , this year alone so far , many of starvation and disease. Computers or the Internet was not a big part of most of those souls lives as they passed through our shared existence ?

bob
bob
May 17, 2020 2:23 PM

the name of that industrious man, unelected of course, keeps re-appearing everywhere – here’s the lowdown, not lockdown, here:

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2020/05/17/the-sunday-essay-sir-mark-his-minions-the-shadow-state-now-in-control-of-britain/

who is running this almighty mess again??

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
May 17, 2020 2:16 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/neil-fergusons-imperial-model-could-devastating-software-mistake/?li_source=LI&li_m
Neil Ferguson’s Imperial model could be the most devastating software mistake of all time
The boss of a top software firm asks why the Government failed to get a second opinion before accepting Imperial College’s Covid modelling

n the history of expensive software mistakes, Mariner 1 was probably the most notorious. The unmanned spacecraft was destroyed seconds after launch from Cape Canaveral in 1962 when it veered dangerously off-course due to a line of dodgy code.

But nobody died and the only hits were to Nasa’s budget and pride. Imperial College’s modelling of non-pharmaceutical interventions for Covid-19 which helped persuade the UK and other countries to bring in draconian lockdowns will supersede the failed Venus space probe and could go down in history as the most devastating software mistake of all time, in terms of economic costs and lives lost.

Since publication of Imperial’s microsimulation model, those of us with a professional and personal interest in software development have studied the code on which policymakers based their fateful decision to mothball our multi-trillion pound economy and plunge millions of people into poverty and hardship. And we were profoundly disturbed at what we discovered. The model appears to be totally unreliable and you wouldn’t stake your life on it.
First though, a few words on our credentials. I am David Richards, founder and chief executive of WANdisco, a global leader in Big Data software that is jointly headquartered in Silicon Valley and Sheffield. My co-author is Dr Konstantin ‘Cos’ Boudnik, vice-president of architecture at WANdisco, author of 17 US patents in distributed computing and a veteran developer of the Apache Hadoop framework that allows computers to solve problems using vast amounts of data.

Imperial’s model appears to be based on a programming language called Fortran, which was old news 20 years ago and, guess what, was the code used for Mariner 1. This outdated language contains inherent problems with its grammar and the way it assigns values, which can give way to multiple design flaws and numerical inaccuracies. One file alone in the Imperial model contained 15,000 lines of code.
Try unravelling that tangled, buggy mess, which looks more like a bowl of angel hair pasta than a finely tuned piece of programming. Industry best practice would have 500 separate files instead. In our commercial reality, we would fire anyone for developing code like this and any business that relied on it to produce software for sale would likely go bust.

The approach ignores widely accepted computer science principles known as “separation of concerns”, which date back to the early 70s and are essential to the design and architecture of successful software systems. The principles guard against what developers call CACE: Changing Anything Changes Everything.

Without this separation, it is impossible to carry out rigorous testing of individual parts to ensure full working order of the whole. Testing allows for guarantees. It is what you do on a conveyer belt in a car factory. Each and every component is tested for integrity in order to pass strict quality controls.

Only then is the car deemed safe to go on the road. As a result, Imperial’s model is vulnerable to producing wildly different and conflicting outputs based on the same initial set of parameters. Run it on different computers and you would likely get different results. In other words, it is non-deterministic.

As such, it is fundamentally unreliable. It screams the question as to why our Government did not get a second opinion before swallowing Imperial’s prescription.
Ultimately, this is a computer science problem and where are the computer scientists in the room? Our leaders did not have the grounding in computer science to challenge the ideas and so were susceptible to the academics. I suspect the Government saw what was happening in Italy with its overwhelmed hospitals and panicked.

It chose a blunt instrument instead of a scalpel and now there is going to be a huge strain on society. Defenders of the Imperial model argue that because the problem – a global pandemic – is dynamic, then the solution should share the same stochastic, non-deterministic quality.

We disagree. Models must be capable of passing the basic scientific test of producing the same results given the same initial set of parameters. Otherwise, there is simply no way of knowing whether they will be reliable.

Indeed, many global industries successfully use deterministic models that factor in randomness. No surgeon would put a pacemaker into a cardiac patient knowing it was based on an arguably unpredictable approach for fear of jeopardising the Hippocratic oath. Why on earth would the Government place its trust in the same when the entire wellbeing of our nation is at stake?

David Richards, founder and chief executive of WANdisco and Dr Konstantin Boudnik is the company’s vice-president of architecture

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 17, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Great post thanks.
I think the other big question is why the government used an “expert” whose predicitions had been catastrophically wrong several times before.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 17, 2020 3:36 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

We do of course have a Prime Minister who has a consistent record of blunders and bluster.

beer
beer
May 17, 2020 3:44 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Fortran was old news 30 years ago, not just 20. It’s like coming across somebody still playing music on 8-track cassettes 🙂

beer
beer
May 17, 2020 4:04 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

They are right, in the commercial world somebody who produced software like that would have been fired.

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 17, 2020 9:01 PM
Reply to  beer

So much for “Market Forces”. Just another word for Rockefellerian monopolist CYA.

Reg
Reg
May 17, 2020 4:27 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

You should write a full article on this debacle for Off-G.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
May 17, 2020 8:05 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Brian with all due respect thats at best naive to imagine the UN, CDC and govts did not know the falsified computer graph was untrue or that they did not have it done to justify their tyranny and jail everyone. Along with knowingly using falsified data there is no “new deadly disease COVID19” so do you not think they should’ve not told everyone there is????!!!

All predictive models with variables, humans and chaos are inaccurate its why the weather cannot be accurately predicted.Someone programmed data into a computer knowing it was untrue for the purpose of justifying the unjustifiable tyranny that occurred. China had already locked up its population.This was propaganda was purposefully done.

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
May 18, 2020 12:09 AM
Reply to  Brian Sides

I know nothing of computer languages. I had read here on OffG BTL or in a link (I forget which) that the Imperial College code used was written originally in C and upgraded to C+ or ++ for their COVID-19 prognostications. That was in error?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 18, 2020 1:41 AM
Reply to  Brian Sides

MODULE, USE, … It’s a pity you know less about big computers than you know about the business side of big data.

jay
jay
May 17, 2020 1:53 PM

Pharmakeia φαρμακεια is the Greek word for pharmacy, translated as “witchcraft” or “sorcery”.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 17, 2020 3:47 PM
Reply to  jay

And the whole concept of infectious diseases and vaccines is based on ancient beliefs and practices which are not much better than mythology.

The current mythology is: new disease? It must be a virus!

At one time, pellagra, which used to be rife in the United States, was thought to be an infectious disease. It was later found to be a deficiency of the B vitamins, which discovery led to the fortification of bread by B vitamins.

At one time, scurvy was also thought to be infectious. It was later discovered to be caused by a shortage of vitamin C, ascorbic acid, which was originally known as the anti-scorbutic agent.

There are many such stories where a disease, or “plague”, which happens to a large number of people in one place at one time is assumed to be infectious, but turns out to be due to “environmental” (in the widest sense of the word) causes.

If the history of the “covid-19” sorry saga is ever investigated thoroughly and written up honestly, I suspect we will find that it has mostly been another similar story.

beer
beer
May 17, 2020 3:50 PM
Reply to  jay
John Ervin
John Ervin
May 17, 2020 9:02 PM
Reply to  jay

Yes it’s in The Pushers’ Thesaurus.

Willem
Willem
May 17, 2020 1:47 PM

Forget the wording of the ‘explaining’ MSM, just see what Belgian health personnel Collectively do when the prime minister of their country enters their hospital for a state (propaganda) visit.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NiemandsKnegt/status/1261771005741215744

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 17, 2020 3:13 PM
Reply to  Willem

Wow, that’s awsome. So much for clapping!

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 17, 2020 3:28 PM
Reply to  Willem

What’s the reaction like to that stance in Belgium? How are the MSM portrayed it?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 18, 2020 1:20 AM
Reply to  Willem

Belguim kill rate (per million pop): 781

UK: 511

Germany: 96

Poland: 24

New York State: 1,456

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Antonym
Antonym
May 17, 2020 1:42 PM

Internet was also made part of the Globalization drive; others far away could see what you are reading, nobody knew what book you finished in the recent past. The thing is, most of us even here are not “persons of interest” for the Establishment. As they cannot even track know terrorists in places like the UK, they will have zero resources for way less threatening guys.

Too many false positives or negatives expand ‘intelligence” into data mud, as too many true positives do as well. Even more Artificial Intelligence is not going to help anyone out of that swamp.

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
May 17, 2020 1:03 PM

Off subject but important

Sunday, May 17th 2020
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8327641/Coronavirus-modelling-Professor-Neil-Ferguson-branded-mess-experts.html
Computer code for Prof Lockdown’s model which predicted 500,000 would die from Covid-19 and inspired Britain’s ‘Stay Home’ plan is a ‘mess which would get you fired in private industry’ say data experts
Professor Neil Ferguson’s Imperial College London coding branded ‘unreliable’
University of Edinburgh scientists ran the same model and had different results
Model was criticised early on by University of Oxford and public health expert

The truth is breaking out lockdown sceptics site has a lot to take credit for that.

A spokesman from the university’s Covid-19 response team said: ‘The UK government has never relied on a single disease model to inform decision-making.

‘As has been repeatedly stated, decision-making around lockdown was based on a consensus view of the scientific evidence, including several modelling studies by different academic groups.

I wonder if they will release the computer code or any information about these other modelling studies and by witch academic groups.

jay
jay
May 17, 2020 1:22 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Except…
Ferguson sat on SAGE and the code has errors that a school boy would recognise…
Until, His fall from grace, Ferguson WAS the public face of the government scientific advisery panel. His figures have been quoted by Boris and the rest of the Minister.
He has been interviewed many, many times on the MSM representing the government
So, He is “not” another scientist, HE was the government’s go-to-man…
This attempt government damage limitation spin simply is not credible…
Nice try…(not).

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 17, 2020 1:41 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

by witch academic groups

Was the “witch” deliberate, Freudian or just accidental? Either way, it is certainly appropriate and it made me smile.

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 17, 2020 9:06 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

See synonyms upthread: “withcraft” = pharmakeia

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 17, 2020 2:01 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Models of this kind regarding what will happen in the future are guesses. They are not evidence!

Evidence is something tangible that survives from the past – proof. “The future” has not happened yet. There is no “evidence” for it!

I know that’s hard for some to understand, especially those that put scientists on pedestals, bu they are just guessing. And their guesses are far less reliable than weather forecasts.

People like Ferguson enjoy what they are doing and like being paid money for it. So they are never going to admit they are wrong.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 17, 2020 3:54 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I’m sure models can be useful for research, or teaching purposes, but not for major public policy decisions.

Politicians, although they are mostly scientifically illiterate, should know or sense this, since they use opinion polls all the time, which are just another kind of mathematical model. An they are sometimes disastrously wrong.

Daearen Edryd
Daearen Edryd
May 17, 2020 2:08 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Truth is breaking out indeed, but the damage is already done. Huge social behaviors have been conditioned, lot of businesses wiped off and a lot more people left dependent of handouts. Mission accomplished! Green agenda rammed into high gear! Congratulations all of us for blindly following our illuminated leaders!

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 17, 2020 9:09 PM
Reply to  Daearen Edryd

True enough that the damage is done, but that damage serves as an epic cautionary tale for anyone trying to chart such a course in the future, and hopefully a defense against unlimited vaccines….

We can hope.

Daearen Edryd
Daearen Edryd
May 18, 2020 12:17 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

You’re absolutely right! The more pressure will be exerted on us, the higher the reactionary response will be. If some powerful interests have indeed charted a dystopian future for us, this will cast their own demise in the best case scenario, Going even further, I dare to say, we are on the precipice of the biggest evolutionary leap in consciousness, humanity’s passing into the adulthood where the need of authority is redundant, governments become obsolete, institutions and charities expose their hypocritical nature and real freedom can finally arrive.

gordon
gordon
May 17, 2020 2:38 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

china just gave imperial millions of pounds

a big egg foo young thank you

those guys can buy up team uk for pennies in the pound in a month
prof lock down pants down fergus ashkanazi son
will go silent for a while

that khazar done well
imperials never had such cash flow

ferguson is a one man fucking slaughter house

his code maybe crazier than a charles manson meets jack the ripper ballet

but the sheckels keep on flowin
bill gates china russia pentagon cia mi6 city of london all in lockstep

John Ervin
John Ervin
May 17, 2020 9:10 PM
Reply to  gordon

Ouch

bob
bob
May 17, 2020 12:53 PM

the censorship increases – when i have a look at someone’s twitter account i receive this message

This is the legacy version of twitter.com. We will be shutting it down on June 1, 2020. Please switch to a supported browser, or disable the extension which masks your browser. You can see a list of supported browsers in our Help Center.

they are trying to stop people talking to one another as well as not going near anybody – that’s a double bind, no?

Offlands
Offlands
May 17, 2020 7:49 PM
Reply to  bob

I refer back from time to time as there are some useful articles but the David Icke site appears to have been taken down? The Virgin Media advert also just made me throw up in my mouth.

gordon
gordon
May 17, 2020 12:39 PM

judy put this up on a previous thread

JudyJ

I tried to post earlier this p.m. a short video presentation by NHS Doctor Mohammad Iqbal Adil debunking the Covid19 pandemic as a global hoax (“no virus has been isolated”) but that post seems to have disappeared (into a spam folder?).

But, nevertheless, I have since found this more comprehensive 2hour+ interview with him in which he covers every aspect of the scandal and what the agenda is. Essential viewing, and great to see a UK based doctor speaking out. As they say in the video, people need to circulate this as far and wide as possible and download it for posterity.

( The first 5 minutes can be skipped because the line breaks down and they start the discussion from the beginning again.)

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 17, 2020 3:46 PM
Reply to  gordon

Cheers, Gordon. The more opportunities for people to see credible dissenting voices such as Dr Adil, the better.

jay
jay
May 17, 2020 12:06 PM

Found online…

Patsy fingered by Mail…

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 17, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  jay

The comments are optimistic from the few a read. Waking up in numbers.

jay
jay
May 17, 2020 12:45 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Here’s hoping…
Coding is not my main area of knowledge, I know a little but from what I gather, a first year computer science student would recognise this as bad code, maybe even a schoolboy would.
Improper architecture, no descriptive comments on code which is 15 years old…
And that is only the start.
The government cannot claim they were ‘mislead’, this guy has previous. His standing must be poor amongst His peers, let’s see references that were taken up. FOI FOI FOI…

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 17, 2020 3:58 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

I was out walking this morning, or rather a very good personal friend of mine was. He was just sticking an informational sticker onto a convenient lamppost (as it happens, advising people to read off-guardian.org ), when he noticed an even bigger sticker, further down the same lamppost which said “end the lockdown now!”.

I was, or rather my friend was, somewhat heartened.

beer
beer
May 17, 2020 4:11 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Your friend should be on the stage 😉

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
May 17, 2020 9:44 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

I’ve got a friend who’s done stuff like that… when he runs out of stickers, chalk is freely available in limestone areas.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 17, 2020 8:17 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

My friend went out again, and imagine his joy to find another sticker on a different lamppost saying “Open the Schools Now!”.

Goodness, people around here are a little more radical than he or I imagined.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 17, 2020 11:58 AM

Mark Devlin reports on Saturday”s protest against the UK lockdowns in Hyde Park, London.

bob
bob
May 17, 2020 12:54 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

can’t open it – once again youtube censoring videos

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 17, 2020 1:49 PM
Reply to  bob

It played fine for me.

RealPeter
RealPeter
May 17, 2020 2:24 PM
Reply to  bob

I was able to open the video and watch it.

A good article by Edward Curtin on the internet’s contradictions – of course, e-technology is now overwhelming us, like the private car did. Off-G is on the internet – the double bind itself. But it looks like official censorship is well on its way – this week a bill against ‘internet hatred’ was voted into law by the French parliament. Actually putting it into practice may prove more difficult.

Howard
Howard
May 17, 2020 3:17 PM
Reply to  RealPeter

One wonders if the constant belittling of those who counter official narratives will also be considered “internet hatred.” Or will it slip through the cracks?

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 17, 2020 1:13 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I think we may need some sort of protest movement. It’s good to see that some courageous people are protesting this.

Although we are still currently a minority, there are nevertheless millions of people who are against lockdown. My guess is between a fifth and a third of Britons want lockdown lifted.

Even if you don’t agree with everything that is said, the principle of freedom of speech and freedom of association is still far more important.

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 17, 2020 3:57 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

If people are gullible enough to buy the MSM, then demonstration should hopefully exploit that gullibility to the actual truth.

Luxly
Luxly
May 17, 2020 11:50 AM

Thankyou OG for another thought provoking article. While I don’t always agree with some of the writing, I can check into this site with the confidence that it will be refreshingly lacking in the ‘fear porn’ that we are bombarded with on our television broadcasts and in the majority of the press.
I have no idea how this virus is operating, but I am gravely concerned that we have traumatised and conditioned a whole generation of people.
Apologies if this video from Italy has been linked to already
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QnsYcsCjLWI

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 17, 2020 12:52 PM
Reply to  Luxly

I couldn’t bear to watch the video. All those pointless masks. Many have descended into madness.

Nobody else knows how this virus is operating either. Viruses do their own thing. They have been around for as long as we have and far longer. They are a part of the fabric of life.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 17, 2020 3:31 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Forget the masks. Please watch the video!

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 17, 2020 4:16 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

I watched it. Good to see someone fighting this.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 17, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

And part of the fabric of the masks after a very short time, I shouldn’t wonder.

Magggie
Magggie
May 17, 2020 1:36 PM
Reply to  Luxly

Absolutely brilliant Luxly, how I wish we had representatives with balls as big as this lady…
Post to all our MPs, and every platform available, NOW.

Luxly
Luxly
May 17, 2020 2:24 PM
Reply to  Magggie

Hi Maggie, seems to be quite a few Italian representatives speaking out. Am in Scotland and desperately wish we had a similar situation! Or at least some proper debate with a big range of ‘experts’. Whatever that means these days…

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 17, 2020 1:50 PM
Reply to  Luxly

Luxly, Thanks. Sara Cunial, Italian MP in Parliament is brilliant. Unfortunately we haven’t got anyone like her in the UK Parliament. They are almost all brainwashed, and even those who aren’t haven’t got the guts to tell the truth, cos they know they will be disposed of. Waste of space, the lot of them.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 17, 2020 2:09 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

David Davis appears to be a lockdown skeptic. His twitter feed is encouraging to read in places. He is at least a high profile backbench Tory so there is the possibility that Johnson and his criminal cabal may listen.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 17, 2020 4:04 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I remember developing some respect for him when he campaigned against Blair’s heavy-handed ID-card scheme, and other aspects of New-Labour authoritarianism.

The Tory party were positioning themselves as anti-authoritarian at that time, which I think for the most part was humbug, but I think in his case it was genuine.

elsewhere
elsewhere
May 17, 2020 2:48 PM
Reply to  Luxly
Luxly
Luxly
May 17, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  elsewhere

Thanks Elsewhere, my partner is Italian and mentioned a couple of errors in the English subtitles.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 17, 2020 3:29 PM
Reply to  Luxly

Wow what a speech. Amazing woman!